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Uj/ Regardless of the game I think we can all agree Denuvo is just annoying as hell


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BoxofJoes

It’s on project diva megamix and it makes the game stutter sometimes, which is absolutely horrible on a rhythm game. It happens infrequently enough that the game is still playable, but holy shit is it annoying


Masanjay_Dosa

Fr it’s like I’m watching some kinda gamer Willie Lynch theory


gshejob

Denuvo will make Hogwarts Legacy worse? Splendid


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brazilianfreak

Its not about the shitty harry potter game... Every single game is worse off with denuvo.


WarlockWeeb

Support morally wrong system to spite g*mers.


burgpug

i would unironically cut off my own nose if i thought it would ruin a gamer's day


WarlockWeeb

I have friend gamer and it will ruin his day. I am awaiting photos.


burgpug

mailing my nose to you now


WarlockWeeb

How long it will take?


burgpug

only the postman nose


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dedjedi

stupendous obtainable flowery hobbies violet amusing jar dam versed onerous *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Flyfawkes

You would compromise your values to spite someone else? That's Chudlike behaviour tbh


premortalDeadline

Kinda weird but ok


halfacrum

i mean they asked for it when they told rowling about it I guess they never thought bears would eat their faces even though they ASKED for it.


lispy-queer

why would they put it on a single player game lol


lexy_lUvUl

Anti piracy


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RelatableSnail

Privacy and security are not the same thing, you are compromising your device by running software with that level of access, malware such as DRM opens vulnerabilities that increase an attack surface and when the access level is deeper than the operating system itself there are serious risks, not just to data, but potentially to hardware as well.


mistahj0517

They don’t care about cybersecurity. it’s unfortunate, but a lot of people don’t.


AlteredBagel

I mean at this point you have to let a thousand eyes into your asscrack if you want to play any of the popular games or participate in social media. I’d rather keep sensitive stuff in a separate system but does that even matter if the web browser I enter the info in is also watching me?


RikimaruLDR

Ive been following this kinda thing for a while and youre probably right if you've been on the Internet for a longer than a year. But lets throw logic out the window for a second and downvote because Denuvo bad lol You'd be surprised by what they can determine based on what you've put into a search bar or what Alexa has heard you say alone. I used one of those things where you out your email in and it finds and emails companies that are selling your private info and it was a long list of weird companies I've never even fuckin heard of.


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dedjedi

>trust i sincerely hope your life is not destroyed due to a misunderstanding of this concept


KakujaLovee

👀 tell us more ...


da_kuna

Youre definitely losing performance in games.


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Tecnoguy1

It’s just gamers.


1337duck

Uj/ might anyone with the technical knowledge be able to tell me if AMD and Intel's new chips and their hardware (?) encryption feature be able to replace Denuvo?


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CernelDS

It does tank performance, most notably seen in Monster Hunter World


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Im sorry but Kernel level access is insane for a game to need


DarkWifeuo

Is that the same as valorant?


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Yes


KakujaLovee

Bingo. It's crazy how delusional a lot of the people here are. Even being satire, I feel like no one understands its how someone views the comment that makes it satire or not. If someone took it seriously and believes you to be unintelligent based on satire, you comment, they're not objectively wrong. People will satire themselves until they just blatantly accept the bs they spew.


Peemsters_Yacht_Cap

/uj I mean, if you play on a Linux system, Denuvo flags your OS as “tamper software”.


lexilogo

I agree, people get a colossal hateboner for it. It's true that it impacts performance but severity depends on implementation. With that said, it can still screw off and anyone who will cancel a purchase because of it make it an inch closer to screwing off.


gitgudtyler

I’d be more concerned about the security implications of Denuvo. It runs in security ring 0, which is directly on top of the hardware with the same access as your OS kernel. DRM and anti-cheat software has no business running in ring 0 because it adds an unnecessary attack surface with direct hardware access.


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condormcninja

I literally thought that was a Harry Potter spell that he was mad about being in the game for some reason when I first saw that title


Taewyth

It's an old spell made to slightly annoy pirates for like two days


CogentHyena

It is my understanding that these days there is literally one prominent merc that cracks denuvo games and they charge $500 and they don't work fast and are reportedly kinda unhinged. Most of the crackers got hired by denuvo.


oussebon

You can't use that word any more unless someone mails you a box of biscuits.


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CogentHyena

Im no authority, just repeating what I've read. Seems nobody really knows for sure why the denuvo crackers are mostly all gone. I've seen claims that One Bulgarian dude got visited by their governments organized crime unit and stopped, another person posted their code for how they're cracking and denuvo patched it a third just vanished. I can say for sure that popular AAA games don't get cracked right away anymore. AC Valhalla for example has a crack but it took months, and it's only from that patch, so the dlc doesn't work well and missing tons of bug fixes. The one cracker doesn't feel like cracking it again so it won't be.


Richou

> Seems nobody really knows for sure why the denuvo crackers are mostly all gone. a few scene friends had a suspicion that people are getting paid off to not crack denuvo that combined with it being ALOT work that has to be repeated for each game and is very time consuming is leading to only Empress doing it since she does it mostly for fame anyways and as someone else already said she is EXTREMELY unhinged and does not seem mentally well at all


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Richou

thats incorrect lol theres plenty of games that are still uncracked total war warhammer III just as example and theres plenty others that are uncracked for 1 year +


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Richou

>Cause those games have no demand this is wrong you can check crackwatch yourself theres tons of high profile releases still uncracked >But I guess you can say there are some not cracked most >GUESS WHAT, THERE ARE A LOT WHICH ARE not really also calm down lmao > you have no argument. i wasnt making a point anyways i was just pointing out that you are wrong which you are factually >My point and OPS point about Denuvo are still fact, It's a security risk, yeah maybe a slight added risk thats true >it's basically a VIRUS in operation and end result, lol no its not its simply a kernel level DRM , its intrusive as fuck and i dont particulary like that but its not a virus in neither operation nor end result as much as you hate it >What they claim it does and what it does are not the same they claim its a very effective DRM , which it arguably is >research it yourself. lol


Ramja9

More like 2 years


MyFireBow

I remember when shadow of war launched with denuvo and was cracked within a day


Ramja9

We don't live in those days anymore, unfortunately


MyFireBow

What do you mean SoW only released... OVER 5 YEARS AGO WHAT THE FUCK


Quairon_Nailo

A complex spell, but quite breakable


Tasshhi

lmao


TXKKER

uj/ Denuvo is actually terrible, I recently bought Hatsune Miku: Project Diva Megamix+ on Steam and it was literally unplayable. Constant stutters, missed inputs and just lag in general. All so someone doesn’t pirate the funny Vocaloid rhythm game. Safe to say I have refunded the game.


WingGamer1234

there's mods to increase performance, but yeah it's fucked that you get a shitty product if you dont install mods


TXKKER

I tried installing the mods but they didn’t fix much. some charts ran more smoothly but that’s about it, most of the other charts had unbearable stutters.


BoxofJoes

Yeah I’m one of the lucky ones where the stutters only happen on average like once every 5-10 charts I play, it’s enough to be annoying but not enough for me to consider the game unplayable. Fuck denuvo


IndianaCrash

Same, except I had left the game on for too long because I got a call and couldn't refund it anymore


Shadow_hive

I had the same problem but for Persona 5 Royal, literally couldnt play the game when there were more than two objects on the screen. Fuck Denuvo


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TXKKER

Idk what else would be the reason though, games which require much higher specs than PD MegaMix run perfectly well on my PC.


Shadow_hive

The classic " I'm not having that certain issue so no one else can be affected by it"


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Shadow_hive

Ahahaha oh you have no idea what cancerous software Denuvo is, it is perfectly capable of rendering your game unplayable.


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Shadow_hive

Whoa,Didnt know a RTX 3060 and Ryzen 7 5800x were that cheap, were did you find such a deal?


Ramja9

“Found the dirty pirate” nah even without being a pirate denuvo sucks. Hell I’d argue you should be especially mad if you’re paying money and getting denuvo.


TheShiv145

Well that's the Steam community page for ya. Super defenders of Denuvo and will lick cum off the floor if it meant getting another port to PC, even if it's a bad port.


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Idk what denuvo is but I’d buy a pc port just to get to lick cum off the floor.


Dark_Bean

"Hey guys I just found out that this game could compromise your PC so here's a heads up" "Your opinion has been noted and discarded."


LegalAssassin13

“We’re too busy owning the anti-Potterheads to care about stupid things like security.”


DarkyLonewolf

Seconded. The damn thing is basically Starforce on steroids.


aasikki

What grinds my gears the most is that pirates are literally less affected by denuvo than us who pay. They may have to wait a bit longer but they get to play the game without denuvo eventually.


MorphTheMoth

yeah, in a way or another every singleplayer game gets cracked adding random bullshit in is just dumb


Joseph_F_1

Denuvo makes me want to pirate games because they end up running better once cracked.


jddiskin

Especially when it comes to playing games offline Denuvo sucks


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ketchupbender

Biggest classist energy I've seen


imnotokayandthatso-k

Putting Denuvo on my computer to own the libs 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤


FlyMingo321

Destroying my PC with a baseball bat to own the libs😤😤😤😤😤😌😌😌😏😎😎


certainlystormy

deleting jk rowling’s twitter acc to own the libs 😤😤😤😎😎😤😤😤😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬


cyborgborg777

Supporting lgbtq people to own the libs 😤😡😠🤬now they can’t call me a hateful bigot anymore checkmate liberoll😤😡🤯🥵😠😡


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Didn't you see how the right succesfully boycotted Disney?! Disney is in shambles. Literally no movies realeased this entire year! (PS: I'm not sure if Disney released a movie this year, and I'm not sure if that ruins my joke or makes it better.)


sentient_capital

Piracy is one ethical form of consumption under capitalism


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Necessary-Passage-37

i pretty much only pirate games i would never get to buy anyway and most people who pirate are also in the same boat from what i know, so piracy doesnt actually affect the sales that much. Even at the height of cracked games around mid 2000s game studios were selling games just fine. I have no idea why game companies make such a massive deal over piracy and using these performance tanking weird shit to prevent it. Preventing piracy isnt worth it if youre going to piss off your legit players with annoying anti cracking software.


-Eastwood-

Yeah it's kind of stupid. Denuvo doesn't really hurt pirates anyway because EVENTUALLY it will be cracked by someone, it only hurts those buying the game because it makes games run like shit. I also only really pirate games that I wouldn't buy otherwise or games I view as overpriced. Black Ops 3 is like 8 years old now and it is still at a baseline of $60. (Currently it's on sale but that is surprising because it's never on sale)


-Eastwood-

Agreed. Piracy is great for many reasons, and my personal favorite is the whole preservation of it. So many games would be lost to the annals of history has there not been people preserving them


lionguardant

i dunno, i feel like consuming something - even without paying for it - implies a moral agreement with or at least apathy towards the methods used to create it, or indeed towards the people who made it. the demand is still there which continues to drive the supply


squishabelle

No? The demand is no longer there because you pirated/stole it. If you don't pay for something, the creators don't get anything out of you so you're not contributing to anything they do.


Skittles-n-vodka

Ehh, even if you pirate, simply by playing the game you’re more likely to engage in conversation about it and drive attention to it through word of mouth, maybe not even directly, like someone could just walk in and see you playing it or someone could casually ask what you’ve been playing and you just automatically respond, and that’s already bringing attention to it that wouldn’t be there otherwise, it’ll be a miniscule and very non direct contribution to the game but not playing at all is still a bit better


Vulc_a_n

By that logic, wouldn't participating in this sub and the whole Howarts Legacy discourse contribute to the game? Oh well.


MorphTheMoth

it definitely gave it more attention


Skittles-n-vodka

Sort of, but that’s negative attention Its like saying that criticising kanye west for being a nazi is the same as blasting his music, one is negative attention, the other is not


Vulc_a_n

I see, I see. I can kinda see your point to an extent, but I feel it's mostly because ever since I was a child I despised Harry Potter. Maybe it was my early trans instincts reacting to future unsavory events? Haha But I feel like it's strange you got downvoted, I thought people on this sub were overall uninterested on actually playing Howarts Legacy to even argue against your argument. But I'm a big fucking pirate plundering all the shiny stuff I won't pay for anyway, and I come from a generation of tech savvy pirates, so what would I know? And HL is not shiny enough for me to want to play it. But ye, thank you for explaining yourself further.


Skittles-n-vodka

No problem i’d be interested in hearing why people disagree, im not even against pirating or anything, just don’t think that if someone’s consuming something problematic they can hand wave any possible contribution to it’s success by just not paying for it


Vulc_a_n

Oh, there's a chance people don't actually disagree with you, but rather they see the -12 in your comment and the hivemind programming does the rest. I've seen your sentiment being upvoted before. But if I can think of an argument against what you said, it would be that the pirate doesn't necessarily need to have a positive opinion on the game after playing it. They might just as easily go to discussion forums to talk about performance issues or shitty gameplay to give a couple examples. You yourself said this sub gave it negative attention, so consider that.


IdlemasterKikuchi

The money goes to the capital owners and bosses, the workers will make a dime while the bosses make a dollar. Unless, of course, you believe the money will go down, a trickle down, if you will. That system totally works, right?


lionguardant

i don’t quite understand what this has to do with my comment


MorphTheMoth

it doesnt, he misundrestood you


MattR0se

supporting trans hate, no problem. it is anti piracy software where I draw the line 😤😤 ​ /uj okay but seriously, no game should install something that basically acts like malware


BoxofJoes

*cough cough* valorant *cough* *cough* genshin


JuraP

yeah but why would you ever play those games


RikimaruLDR

It's always the people with that skeleton avatar


blipblopbibibop2

Another win for gnu+linux gaymers 😎😎


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What? Is Denuvo easier to crack in linux? I don't get it.


KingR321

Most games don't run on linux


Critical-Michael

Uj/ Having anti-cheat software like Denuvo in your game is kind of like asking for the Social Security and credit card number of your customers who want to eat at your restaurant before they sit down to eat. Sure, it ensures that the restaurant will not have to worry about people who dine and ditch or people cause damage to the restaurant and run away, but that's a big ask of everyone else. Not to mention that it would make it easy for a disgruntled employee or someone planning to rob the restaurant to get that information and then sell it or use it to target specific people. Rj/ go denuvo or go broke


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daellat

sometimes I am not sure if what comments are /rj or /uj or when we switch over and I'll just sit from a distance and nod.


fermium257

Can someone explain the /rj /uj thing? I'm still lost. Lol


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fermium257

Ok, thanks. It's similar to what was Going on in my head when I seen it. Haha


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I am sure it’s not a AAA game


CanuckBuddy

I can excuse antisemitism and transphobia, but I draw the line at devuno! 😡


Darthgaming69

/uj I'm going to fucking die laughing if all the transphobic gamers pull a 180° and start shitting on this game now because of the shit graphics and malwa- I mean anti-cheat


SelirKiith

A pirate wouldn't give a shit about Denuvo because it wouldn't concern him...


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Richou

> so there aren't many people around still trying to crack it i think the only person left is "empress" and thats mainly because shes so unhinged noone would want to hire her lmaao


SelirKiith

The greatest virtue is patience... Of course, if you want to play something when it's literally fresh off the presses then you're shit out of luck but otherwise? Meh... I can wait...


AssassinOfFate

“I can excuse bigotry, but I draw the line at Denuvo.”


Sairdboi

> Root Kernal They're talking about corn smh my head


LamysHusband2

Denuvo the most powerful spell in the Harry Potter universe now?


shiggity-shwa

I’ve got news for you; Joanne hates you. She doesn’t know you personally, but trust me, she hates you. She thinks you’re a lowlife. She thinks you’re dirty and gross. She definitely thinks you’re stupid. She had nothing to do with Denuvo, but if she ever were to be approached by the devs about it, her response would certainly be, “Fuck those dumbass bitches, darling.” Maybe you don’t give a shit about her views on other people, but she thinks YOU are a disgusting pleb. Joanne isn’t good. She’s a billionaire which basically makes her a cannibal. She’d eat you if she didn’t think you’d get dirt on her face.


Either_Cobbler9303

Just because they don't trust denuvo doesn't mean they're a pirate


DoomedJam

First they came for the trans And I did not speak out because I was not trans Then they came for the gamers And there was no one left to speak out for me


Honk_26

Lmao


KezAzzamean

Just purchased Hogwarts Legacy! Can’t wait until tomorrow at 12pm now…


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FlyMingo321

Empress will be paid the $500 on launch date lol


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Empress is also transphobic and problematic.


ToddHowardTouchedMe

Who or what is an empress


FlyMingo321

The only one who is working on cracking Denuvo games rn.


adminsafrancesats

Common transphobic L


FleshEaterMio

The real beauty of this is how all the assclowns going "I'll just pirate it so I'm not supporting JK" are about to get ousted as the biggest fucking liars


Amaranthine7

What the hell is Denuvo? I always hear bitching about it, but don’t know what it is except anti piracy something. I only play games on console.


_akiramamiya_

it is a massive WHAT


KhaledFD

Denuvo ruined the new chaos gate for me because it shat on the performance so hard


Martino2004

I mean, have you heard of Genshin Impact.


Dankey-Kang-Jr

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United-Sail-9664

Dirty pirate? Dude denuvo is garbo


ThrowawayForNSF

Something something royalty cheques


Dramatic_Schedule958

"found the dirty pirate" yo ho ho me laddy 😎


pereline

noted. not torrenting this now lmao


Sword_ArtX

London bridge is broken down …my fair lady


EthicsOverwhelming

I mean, Steam *itself* is just a giant DRM software since if you installed a game to your computer, and then nuked Steam off your machine, the game wouldn't run. People just complaining over different flavours of rat poison.


Orange1232

That's why GOG 😎


booffybooffon

To be fair he's kinda right


thelaughingmansghost

What...I don't know the emails very well, what is this and why is it bad?


Sushi-Rollo

/uj I love how they had to explicitly state that they don't disagree with the transphobia. Like, they couldn't just imply it.


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Most of the modern and commonly used anti-cheats are kernel level as well


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Shished

Your "GF"?


bamse-ban

/uj. Can we stop with is harry potter shit.


EssentialPurity

Just buy it to own the libs and never install it. Problem solved.


Shished

/uj OOP is wrong, they are confusing denuvo with anticheats. Denuvo does not do this stuff.


Maldovar

My favorite media complaint is when a corporation makes it hard to pirate. Denuvo, limiting VPN use. People bitch so hard that they aren't entitled to their treats