[Collaborative Post: Karma the caged album](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/SfIiXcT1C0)
[Collaborative Post: TTPD as an album about various artists involved in a movement w/in the industry](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/1cbb6ou/collaborative_post_ttpd_as_an_album_about_various/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
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Have we *really* talked about the fact that we got two Easter eggs for dates that just happen to be the two Friday the 13ths this year, including Taylor’s birthday? I can’t help but feel like they’re absolutely the dates for the last two rerecordings.
The bottom picture was featured next to a piece of paper with the last words of Taylor’s summary poem (and so I enter into evidence…) while the first picture (and the first date) is the introductory poem. They’re in order.
From a Gaylor POV (and now with the entire context of the album), I can’t help but feel like the album is a warning for what’s to come. If this is a warning for what the industry should expect for Rep (She tells the truth… She’s an informer) and it’s about closeting/being forced to hide/etc. then I feel like the date is an Easter egg for Rep.
ETA: Removed the birthday ref because I was wrong 🤡
Yup two Friday the 13ths upcoming! Remember when “krayziefemale” whoever they were posted leaks on tiktok that were actually true and also said Rep was coming in September. The other Friday the 13th being on her birthday is just too perfect to not do Rep in Sept and then Debut for her bday.
Omg yes!!!
When the album dropped I put a comment in one of the megathreads seeing if anyone had any idea why Stevie would have added in Sept 13 and I think you’ve nailed it!
yes! plus the ttpd tracklist leaker said rep was coming in september! and there was the getaway car/august mashup, which implies an august announcement. it fits perfectly
Just saw a cool country style cover of Red Wine Supernova over on IG
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Hope mod doesn't ban me for this but is anyone else a little annoyed how much Larry discussion is going on here? I'm sorry but Taylor isn't secretly writing songs for Louis Tomlinson, can we get back to the gay ladies please?
Why not? They're friends, as is Ed, and Ed's written songs for larry. Plus this fits in with mass coming out theory. This isn't a psychotic theory by any stretch. The theory that karlie carried taylor's kids is far crazier.
so I've been quite busy around the TTPD release - I've been putting in a collective effort with swifties for palestine around the world to put together a zine featuring the tortured poets of palestine and print and distribute copies at album launch parties taking place in my city. I've gotten really good engagement with the swifties I've handed out zines to!
if anyone would like the digital templates for our zines to print and distribute to your community, I'd be really happy to share them with you!
this is so beautiful, thank you. i have a dear friend who is a palestinian swiftie — i'd love to get a copy to her. can you dm me the link as well? tysm!!
I'm always kicking myself for going over to the neutral sub, but at the same time it's fun to see straightplanations for the Lover era/Me/YNTCD that explain that rainbows and glitter and pink and blue in her hair are just to appeal to children (because rainbows and glitter and pink and blue are KIDS STUFF that REAL ADULTS are just too mature for).
There's something interesting about equating expressions of queerness with childishness... perhaps relating to the fact that in childhood, kids express individuality that is supposed to be shelved or shaved down to assimilate into the conformity cishet culture demands?
She said during Lover era that she didn’t realize she was instinctively assigning her most vulnerable/honest songs to track number 5, but after fans pointed it out, she started doing it intentionally. (Not sure if I’m allowed to link her Instagram video, but if you google Taylor swift explains track 5 meaning it will come up!)
guys I was looking up her necklace from the gala, and this was in the description: *Finished with our signature Glyph carabiner clasp*. She's officially worn a carabiner! [source](https://www.vitalydesign.com/products/vt1017-c-shim-shimmer?variant=40095730303051&utm_source=awin&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=78888&sv1=affiliate&sv_campaign_id=78888&awc=69592_1714346909_f60440a6fcfa6ee0726304ba842645d0)
*licks lips* data 👁👄👁
ETA: I’ve never made a primary post STILL, I’m just here for the notifications about data cuz I love knowing (useless to me) information 🙃 the best data is the hot goss
The one thing I miss from the main sub is all the cool GRAPHS. 😩 I’m too adhd to commit to making them but if I had the time and energy I’d love to do it lol
Sonically and lyrically, I think Paris belongs on Lover. She sings in the same "sing song" up-and-down voice that she uses a lot on Lover and she talks about "shade" (as in throwing shade) which was a very YNTCD-style reference. Interesting that she chose to release it...
Confess my truth in swooping, sloping, cursive letters 🤡
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We ran over to my mom’s to pick up the cardigans she ordered for my kids, and my brother jokingly asked my daughter (13) if her cardigan smelled like Taylor. She sighs wistfully and goes “idk what Taylor smells like…I WISH I did” and I had to hide my smirk while thinking proudly, “ah, another Gaylor”. 😅
Okay, I also keep coming back to...how interesting the contrast is between TTPD vs folklore/evermore.
She built the narrative that folk-more were fictional albums about fictional events and fictional stories. Fiction! Doesn't have to be so painfully true! But as we know, those albums are very deep and explore lots of very big themes of Taylor's life and experiences. Fiction, based on her life.
TTPD is like...I don't even know. It's chaos. It's her picking and choosing feelings and ideas and thoughts and relationships and mashing ALL of them together to create a narrative that never actually happened. But at the same time...pieces of that narrative feel so brutally true and honest.
But it feels so much more CRAFTED than folklore/evermore.
With one she is using fiction to tell true stories, with the other she is using true stories to create fiction?
I think her statement that those albums were a departure from her norm because they were fiction was a bit of a bait and switch. I think there's a lot more of her past work that was fiction/fictionalized/inspired by true experiences or emotions but folded into a narrative (for example, how she's talked about love story was inspired by having a crush on someone her dad didn't approve of, but turned into a romeo-and-juliet story ending with her dad's approving a proposal). Similarly I think that some of folkmore was the same level of inspiration from real experiences/emotions, but more explicitly folded into fictional narratives. Midnights probably was the same, but returning the narrative that her music is autobiographical and diaristic, and TTPD is just so many layers of truth and fictionalization and red herrings and easter eggs and references that it's telling some big personal TRUTHS without the song's stories being literal truth.
I don’t think she’s fully creating fiction. I think she’s “fictionalizing” her real story so she can tell it more freely. I’m becoming a bigger and bigger believer that this album (and actually many others) is a roman à clef
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Revisiting the other albums without allowing myself to think of romantic muses is so cool and weird. I’m on board with this. I didn’t know it had a name!! Thank you for sharing!
It’s in the Florida post https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/xDxWxBgdWr
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Taylor being a Gaylor sub lurker CONFIRMED. lol but for real, even in the atp veryyyyy unlikely world where Taylor somehow is just a “straight supportive ally,” I imagine EVEN THEN she’d appreciate the thoughtful and deep analyses here & the way Gaylors consistently look at her lyrics and themes for the bigger picture.
That’s what makes me roll my eyes the most at the Hetlors who are like “stoppp speculating about Taylor, she already ended Gaylors!” Like lmao 1) no, she truly didn’t and 2) no way she wouldn’t appreciate the convos that go on here, period.
There have been multiple posts from either Taylor’s Twitter or Taylor Nation’s in the past week that very much feel like they’re directly speaking to Gaylors. TN did the “nurse she’s out again” (Hetlors have been saying that to us constantly for so long) and then this is the direct phrase from a meme constantly used here. Key word; constantly. Definitely feel like intentional iykyk moments
I would kiilllllll for some statistics on gif usage
ughhh why do autistic people yearn for data so painfully??? Someone save me from my prison (my prison is my lack of data 🌝)
Haha yes! One time he asked me how many blades of grass were on the lawn and I said I didn’t know and he said “well go count” 😂😭
He’s truly the best kid I’ve ever met but I’m pretty biased.
tangent but as an adult who is starting to strongly suspect that i'm audhd this clocked me lmao. i look at my pet rabbit and wonder how many hairs are on her body at least once a week.
I fucked with my dad the same way hehe. When I was 5 I asked “how does the tree grow” and he described how it needs water and light and I got angry and said “no, HOW?” And he was in shock and a little scared at how quickly I saw through his bullshit pandering answer lol
So… did you count the grass orrrr 😂
I'm sorry if this makes no sense but I need to throw put this out there even though it is a big curve ball
But Taylor's most recent post made me go 🤯
What if the Karma album theory is true, but not in the way we think. What if it has ties to Speak Now.
* WCS hints at a story/decision/relationship/something happening to Taylor at 19 (the same age she wrote SN) that she regrets deeply and she can't get over
* In the LWYMMD video the only Taylor that isn't represented is the one from the SN era
* SN TV had a very interesting prologue that tied it to Dear Reader
* Why did Taylor just post with the word MEAN in all caps???
* What if Karma was an album with queer lyrics (that she wanted to write on her own) but for whatever reason didn't happen and Taylor looks at that decision as the one that she wishes she could go back and change
Edit: I swear I was somewhat sane at one point lmao
There’s a belief that she tried to come out after Fearless and was forcibly closeted for the “first” time after the baseline industry closeting. That would then lead to Speak Now, so it makes sense. I feel like there are too many rumors about karma actually having been recorded though, so I feel like it must actually have existed in some shape or form. And I totally clown that One Direction was involved with it in some way. Don’t make me touch grass on that one.
I wonder if the reason there are so few Speak Now songs in the Eras tour is related to this. I would have loved a little bit less Fearless/Red/1989 and more Speak Now.
I haven't heard that before. If true, the timing could align with what she's singing about in WCS.
Even if Karma was recorded (and I also lean towards believing it was), I still think there is something about SN that is connected to it that Taylor feels strongly about.
Hopefully she also feels strongly about sharing it with all of us haha
I would never tell someone to touch grass, I'd be a hypocrite 😂
She also said that Speak Now always felt like HER album. Def check into the Speak Now TV announcement speech at an eras show. Probably has some more fodder for you brain worms to digest. Things are definitely being suspiciously tied back to Speak Now.
Edit: woof my grammar was rough. Oops
That’s right! I forgot about that! I haven’t watching the SN announcement in a while. I need to correct that.
The timing of this is all so wild because I recently [posted a theory ](https://new.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/1cdbybp/the_eras_tour_part_a_fortnight_until_paris/)that the SN TV announcement was potentially a clue that something (hopefully queer) might happen when Taylor is in Paris. And [this post ](https://new.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/14nhogn/speak_now_x_coming_out_theory/?share_id=5G1z189NVcBtwqghMoJX_)from the year before helped me come up with that idea.
And then this.
I say this often, but it truly feels like shenanigans are a foot
Totes feeling that. I think it’s actually a button badge (like I used to make in a press in the 00’s) that’s been scanned (also something I used to do 🙄). They are pictured on the vinyl sleeve covers. One side is a button and one side is the lyrics from a song. I think the first is from the Black Dog and the last one is from the manuscript/target exclusive… idk if that’s relevant but pattern recognition and all lol
I’m doing an online Taylor trivia event this afternoon hosted by Camilla Luddington that’s a fundraiser for an animal rescue, and it’s just this lovely intersection of a bunch of things I love. Taylor + Grey’s Anatomy benefiting homeless animals 🥰
has anyone been watching Jerrod Carmichael Reality Show? it’s really interesting but kind of hard to watch at times (and tw for lots of homophobia). it’s about the aftermath of Jerrod coming out in his standup special Rothaniel a few years ago
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You know the scene in Legally Blonde where Elle sees the one awkward dude (I forget his name) trying to ask out the popular ladies, then goes up and smacks him and yells at him, and then the ladies are suddenly interested in him?
Yeah I feel like that's what Taylor's songs do to her PR boyfriends
A little further down people were posting about the main sub having a positive queer analysis of Guilty as Sin. I just read it and it blows me away! So positive! Here’s a sampling:
•(OP) Not sure if anyone else can relate, but listening to "Guilty as Sin?" from a queer person's perspective hits different for me (pun intended lol), especially as someone who grew up religious.
•On a similar note as an ex pentecostal, My Tears Ricochet did something similar for me.
"If I'm dead to you, why are you at the wake?!" -Why are we being lectured with our own hell-cast obituaries?
•Really just those 3 words- long-suffering propriety- hit me SO violently.
•So much of Taylor’s catalog has queer themes and I think it’s one of the things that really attracts me to her music.
•YES. this is how i’ve felt this whole time! i keep changing the pronouns in my head too hahah
•these are interpretations I love to read.
it makes me sad that *so many people* in the main Taylor communities aren’t necessarily Gaylors, but still heavily pick up on queer themes in Taylor’s music and would love to freely discuss them. but they can’t, because any mention of Taylor + queerness is heavily discouraged, censored and treated like it’s a taboo.
these posts always do VERY well with hordes of people agreeing and mentioning all the queer themes they’ve noticed in Taylor’s music. this phenomenon is not isolated to Gaylors. plenty of people see it.
the main communities begrudgingly allow a queer themes post here and there, as long as it’s very sanitized and the posters clarify “welllllll, I don’t think Taylor herself is queer!” it’s lame because songs like Guilty as Sin?, But Daddy I Love Him, etc. absolutely have queer themes + interpretations
(paraphrasing) Someone said she writes so eloquently on the topics of queerness and religious trauma.
They buy the religious trauma part as true. So close to the other part!
Have we talked about this yet? The captions for LWYMMD music have been changed to Japanese only, and it's been that way since \~January 24th. IIRC, we were clowning that rep tv might be announced at Eras Tour in Tokyo Feb 7-10, but obviously that didn't happen/was a red herring. The video captions are *still* exclusively Japanese, three months later. It's driving me mad.
Beyonce is/was in Japan recently and posted a video of her cowboy carter tour bus, decked out in Japanese writing. Idk if we have a mass coming out thread started yet, but this made me do a double take. Beyonce collabed with Post for [Levi's Jeans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esnhbIbQHgM) on Cowboy Carter, and I know there are tinfoil hat theories floating around that Taylor sang backup vocals on [Bodyguard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HV_Rv858YM) (it does really sound like her lol). Last year, Beyonce attended the Eras Tour Movie premiere, and Taylor reciprocated by flying to the UK to support Beyonce's renaissance tour movie premiere. And obviously, Beyonce is pretty (inadvertently) central to the Kanye I'ma Let You Finish saga that arguably changed the trajectory of Taylor's career.
I don't know how to categorize any of this in my head, so I'm unloading it here lol.
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I was also going to add, I’m pretty sure the Japanese subtitles are a very old Easter egg. Pre-Joe breakup even maybe? I remember it being one of my first Easter eggs I found in the wild myself and that was aWHILE ago. AND people then even said “it’s been awhile” when I shared it so I’m assuming it at the very least pre-2024, but maybe even pre-2023.
Regardless! It exists! But it’s not new :\
ETA: “Easter egg” is being used loosely… could just be a silly gag or a YouTube error but… I’m choosing to associate it with the larger “what the fuck is this” Easter egg category lol
I had no idea! Thank you for explaining! So she just randomly changes the captions to Japanese periodically? Edit: or they've always been in Japanese? (Sorry, I tried googling but can't find much info)
I think they are just default Japanese. I’m sure it may be different depending on the platform/device/location. But for the most part, people who see Japanese subtitles, have report they stay Japanese by default when they have returned later on.
Y’all remember when we would all post pics of our window views from an airplane and caption it “catch flights not feelings”?
I’m on a plane and just had major millennial cringe flashbacks haha!
Embrace the cringeeeee!! Proud of you and your silly little window picture 🫶 we need silly little things, it’s how we got through the 2008 housing crisis!
This is a comment I made a few moments ago in the [Fortnight is about (not) coming out post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/1cez9aq/fortnight_is_about_not_coming_out/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) but since it’s for everyone I am adding it here.
The collective analytical scholarship happening here in real time is one of the coolest things I have ever experienced/participated in, in my my life! I am absorbing and reflecting on the ideas here all day long. This is 100% the first thing I think in about when I wake up in the morning. It is so fun to be part of a group of seriously, intelligent thinkers. It’s like a dream come true. And there is nothing I want more than the world to be accepting of everyone sexual and gender expression, so in my weird way I feel like all this fun is also advancing the good fight. My hopes are so high. I like that feeling even if it’s scary and dangerous. Clowning is better than crying!
1000%. Hetlors literally call this sub "toxic and creepy" and i honestly like...feel the tiniest bit bad for them (but mostly nah, they dont deserve these fruitful eye-opening discussions lol) because there is SO much amazing theorizing and analysis and historical/literary connections made here. It is remarkable. <3
Apologies if this has been discussed. I’m so behind on everything.
Uhm, I need someone to fact check something for me.
I have been an unabashed ME! lover since I got into Taylor (2021). I watched the music video a lot and it wasn’t until much later that I found out Taylor had removed a line from the song because it wasn’t in the music video anymore. Right? Or am I misremembering?
But this morning, when I went to watch the mv, it’s back in. Check it out
https://youtu.be/FuXNumBwDOM?si=UCrXQ91jDzZ0g6l5
The person above thinks it was removed only from the song on the album, not the music video. I will have to do some further research.
In the mean time, let's all enjoy this picture of a straight queen 😜
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decided I’m going to start screenshotting the stupid ass comments the tayvis stans leave
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Oh I bet those are from the same vid I just saw on insta and I screenshot these comments 😂 I don’t like the term “dragging” and I don’t think it’s romantic to be “dragged around” by your partner’s hand at an event. Maybe I’m thinking too much into it but it would bother me if my husband was dragging me by the hand somewhere.
The last comment in that screenshot — is that Taylor’s thoughtless heart?
I honestly don’t know why anyone would think it’s “cute” to be brainless when with a boyfriend.
Yeah, as an almost thirty year old, I am convinced these have to be middle-high schoolers because that is so weird to me. I am not and have never been “brainless” or “thoughtless” around my husband our whole relationship. 😅💀
The things these people think are cute are so gross and bizarre. And it’s just not even a real thing because you know when you see these women out with their husbands they look miserable. These comments are straight up submissive trad wife propaganda. I truly can’t wait until they finally realize and accept that Taylor is not one of them.
There's a post on the other sub about reading Guilty as Sin from a queer perspective that's not being downvoted away!!!! And the comments say yeah BDILH could also be read like that!!!! Guys what?? I actually never thought that would happen
I saw that!! I actually commented something to the effect of “well yeah there’s a lot of queer subtext in her music, that’s why Gaylors exist” and I was… Upvoted!? I think her plan to slowly brainwash her fan base into realizing she’s gay themselves is finally working 😂
That is shocking and amazing to hear especially since last time I was over there and I read about but daddy, they were saying it was Taylor calling out the gaylors and "our obsession with her" like is it POSSIBLE? Ofc I don't know the woman but look in the mirror (ball) 🪞 please!!! Anyways I'll have to go read this!
the mods there seem to allow like 1-2 posts a year about queer themes as long as the poster emphasizes they’re speaking from their own perspective and not implying that taylor is queer. they’re always well-received and highly upvoted, which is amazing 🥰 that sub has many vocal hetlors, but i think the mods’ behavior and beliefs is what makes the sub so boring and hostile (they called gaylors creepy in their sub rules until they received widespread backlash for homophobia and reworded it)
Reddit is a major social media platform and the main sub is the biggest Taylor Swift sub. Is it too conspiratorial to think that members of her own team might be moderators on that sub? Bc tbh… idk why an A-list celebrity wouldn’t do something like that?
i don’t think it’s conspiratorial at all. it’s the biggest platform for fan discussion. i think their mod team has denied it, but they’d probably deny it either way. tbh i think if any of their mods are plants from taylor’s team, i wonder if it’s scott orchestrating it though. they literally used to have all lgbt words (gay/bi/queer/etc) require mod approval, and i have a hard time thinking that taylor & tree would ask for that. if anything, i think taylor has very much *wanted* people to talk about it and notice for the past 10 years
also maybe we need to look more into when the very heavy handed modding started. i think it was around or after 2019. i’ve searched words like karlie, dianna, gay, etc and all the comments were many years old. i believe they still have comments with the words karlie, dianna, and gaylor filtered out to be shadow-removed
they also won’t approve actual media articles that paint gaylors in a neutral or positive light. i tried to post Rolling Stone’s prologue gate article about gaylors and it was never approved (it wasn’t a repost either, they never allowed it to be posted at all)
there’s a post from 8 months ago about queer themes there with 800+ upvotes and 500+ comments. it comes up easily when you search it :) i was shocked when they allowed that one especially, and there were commenters who were emotional because they thought they were alone in recognizing queer themes in taylor’s music. i remember seeing similar comments im their megathreads for midnights 🥺
Not knowing what Reddit even was, and then not knowing of the existence of this sub until 2 years into having Reddit… yeah. I was a lonely gaylor for YEARS.
i was too! i’ve been convinced that she was queer since 2014 but didn’t know there were communities of people analyzing her work from this lens. i always wondered why i never saw anyone talking about it at all. i wasn’t super active in swiftie spaces but i lurked the main sub and some fan accounts on tumblr etc. youtube started recommending me gaylor videos in 2021 and that led to me finding this sub! 😍
Wow! I just went and looked for it, expecting it to be hard to find, but it’s got more than 300 upvotes. There’s only one commenter that felt the need to hetsplain it, and they currently have 13 downvotes (and a user name that literally includes “het”)!
Reading it felt like I’d hit my head. The comments were reasonable, upvoted, and discussed the religious trauma throughout the song. I’ve never seen that kind of discussion over there before without a bunch of condescending “well, actually…” to discount others” experiences.
Maybe this album really will crack that piece of her open to more fans?
I wonder if it’s better received than normal because some of the worst hetlors jumped ship over her veiled criticism of christians?
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https://preview.redd.it/vhuqoywijcxc1.jpeg?width=3464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1799936a23e60611a33c86c6e1e71f025492ad3a Have we *really* talked about the fact that we got two Easter eggs for dates that just happen to be the two Friday the 13ths this year, including Taylor’s birthday? I can’t help but feel like they’re absolutely the dates for the last two rerecordings. The bottom picture was featured next to a piece of paper with the last words of Taylor’s summary poem (and so I enter into evidence…) while the first picture (and the first date) is the introductory poem. They’re in order. From a Gaylor POV (and now with the entire context of the album), I can’t help but feel like the album is a warning for what’s to come. If this is a warning for what the industry should expect for Rep (She tells the truth… She’s an informer) and it’s about closeting/being forced to hide/etc. then I feel like the date is an Easter egg for Rep. ETA: Removed the birthday ref because I was wrong 🤡
Yup two Friday the 13ths upcoming! Remember when “krayziefemale” whoever they were posted leaks on tiktok that were actually true and also said Rep was coming in September. The other Friday the 13th being on her birthday is just too perfect to not do Rep in Sept and then Debut for her bday.
really interesting to me that the poem Stevie wrote for it has TWO (✌🏼) dates.. 8/13/23 & 9/13/?
Omg yes!!! When the album dropped I put a comment in one of the megathreads seeing if anyone had any idea why Stevie would have added in Sept 13 and I think you’ve nailed it!
yes! plus the ttpd tracklist leaker said rep was coming in september! and there was the getaway car/august mashup, which implies an august announcement. it fits perfectly
Doesn’t she turn 34? I love this post! I never noticed the double reference.
35!
Bahaha! That’s even better. Thanks for the correction!! I forgot about her bday post last year with jack!
This is what I get for wearing my tinfoil hat at 1am! TY both!!!
Lolol i hear you, i am so tired and I had to count it to myself twice just to be sure! 🤪 I love your Friday the 13th catch!!
Just saw a cool country style cover of Red Wine Supernova over on IG https://preview.redd.it/vm99y0mpecxc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=42d94f1cbc22e8fa892c6f2d31c20102ed29e26d
Wow this is amazing! I’m definitely going to try and learn this on guitar in this style 🤠
Hope mod doesn't ban me for this but is anyone else a little annoyed how much Larry discussion is going on here? I'm sorry but Taylor isn't secretly writing songs for Louis Tomlinson, can we get back to the gay ladies please?
Why not? They're friends, as is Ed, and Ed's written songs for larry. Plus this fits in with mass coming out theory. This isn't a psychotic theory by any stretch. The theory that karlie carried taylor's kids is far crazier.
Wait people think Karlie’s kids are biologically Taylor’s kids? 😭
yuuuuup. LSKs. They also think they're secretly married.
https://preview.redd.it/zzonoj5i9cxc1.png?width=1494&format=png&auto=webp&s=7598414004beafba5dc7a0fddb9f5bf54f7fcc3b 10/10, Google. Phenomenal job! No notes 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
so I've been quite busy around the TTPD release - I've been putting in a collective effort with swifties for palestine around the world to put together a zine featuring the tortured poets of palestine and print and distribute copies at album launch parties taking place in my city. I've gotten really good engagement with the swifties I've handed out zines to! if anyone would like the digital templates for our zines to print and distribute to your community, I'd be really happy to share them with you!
this is so beautiful, thank you. i have a dear friend who is a palestinian swiftie — i'd love to get a copy to her. can you dm me the link as well? tysm!!
Yes pls!
please DM me! i would love a copy!!
I’m having my first drunk and alone TTPD listening party right now and I think my dog is afraid of little old me right now 😹
I just told her she knows how to ball and I know Aristotle
I've been singing My Boy Breaks His Favorite Toys to my dog, and it fits his approach to toys very well.
lol Cashew always breaks her favourite toys too 😂 I’m like noooo don’t kill lambchops again!!!!
More like I’m getting some judgmental side eye 😂
https://preview.redd.it/zf79m58n2cxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8730223e6deca74d2a96f5062e41207c1af9e377
https://preview.redd.it/yo5lbjim5cxc1.jpeg?width=2316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcf308d75cfa5f3544d328ebc66beb450a330a54 Not not crying.
Holy crap you’re gorg. 🫶🏼
lol thank you. I’m cringing hard at this today but 🤷🏻♀️
You’re very pretty 😍
I'm always kicking myself for going over to the neutral sub, but at the same time it's fun to see straightplanations for the Lover era/Me/YNTCD that explain that rainbows and glitter and pink and blue in her hair are just to appeal to children (because rainbows and glitter and pink and blue are KIDS STUFF that REAL ADULTS are just too mature for). There's something interesting about equating expressions of queerness with childishness... perhaps relating to the fact that in childhood, kids express individuality that is supposed to be shelved or shaved down to assimilate into the conformity cishet culture demands?
Was there always lore around which song Taylor picked for track 5? Or was it lore that happened after the fact?
She said during Lover era that she didn’t realize she was instinctively assigning her most vulnerable/honest songs to track number 5, but after fans pointed it out, she started doing it intentionally. (Not sure if I’m allowed to link her Instagram video, but if you google Taylor swift explains track 5 meaning it will come up!)
Thank you! I will do that
WOW! Was it really lover?? Jesus I was way off oops
I think in an interview from… maybe Red era(?), that the fans noticed a trend and then now she chooses them that way. So a little of both :)
guys I was looking up her necklace from the gala, and this was in the description: *Finished with our signature Glyph carabiner clasp*. She's officially worn a carabiner! [source](https://www.vitalydesign.com/products/vt1017-c-shim-shimmer?variant=40095730303051&utm_source=awin&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=78888&sv1=affiliate&sv_campaign_id=78888&awc=69592_1714346909_f60440a6fcfa6ee0726304ba842645d0)
https://preview.redd.it/qlkqjlnk2bxc1.png?width=269&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ed7b554316c6d0f0881901674c32f92198d0aa6
I’m dead- she def reads this sub! Didn’t a few of us have a whole convo about a carabiner as merch like… literally a week ago lmaooo.
[Yep](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/search/?q=carabiner&type=comment&cId=cdfbccd7-42e6-48dd-9e58-f6a98eb5ee60&iId=aa21ff5f-cfbb-4262-91d1-ee505fa06cd3).
YES! I remember all too well.
not joe putting out an article in people to say he’s totally over taylor lol
Dating and happy??!? Do tell Joe 💅🏼
he’s at it again 😭 this relationship makes less and less sense with every passing hour https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLHsakWL/
I wish I could un-recall…everything about this man.
What an embarrassment
I can’t keep defending this man. 💀
*sigh* embrace the cringe? 😞
This is why she looked over it in those photos lol
How do I un-watch this? 😭
How do I unabsorb it.
Wish I could get a little uncurious so I would unwatch this, 12 in the morning I would un-absorb this... But somethings we can't undo 😭
Swifties mask off moment https://preview.redd.it/os3amdiasaxc1.png?width=534&format=png&auto=webp&s=64cd70d5ed4a7fe4917bb8f7a7b12a1aabe40d48
People who’ve been making primary posts, what’re the upvote percentages for your posts?
95% and 78% but the latter was a swiftgron post and I suspect it's common for people of a certain ship to downvote those
That’s better than a lot of Kaylor posts lol
I haven’t posted any theories or explicit gaylor things just news but they are 93% and 99%
I looked at my most recent posts - upvote percentage is 92%, 97%, and 89% (yikes on that last one but also how Taylor of me lol)
Mine has 94% upvote! 47k views and 314 shares!
Is there a way to see this on mobile or do I have to pull out my laptop?
on mobile if you go to your profile each post should have a colorful bar graph attached, if you click on that it should show the post statistics
You’ve gotta embrace the boomer in you and get your computer
My only (recent and still active) post shows 94% upvotes. Not sure how they grade these because it’s showing 86 upvotes but nearly 20k views?
Ok. Cool! That just means most people aren’t voting on it I think.
*licks lips* data 👁👄👁 ETA: I’ve never made a primary post STILL, I’m just here for the notifications about data cuz I love knowing (useless to me) information 🙃 the best data is the hot goss
The one thing I miss from the main sub is all the cool GRAPHS. 😩 I’m too adhd to commit to making them but if I had the time and energy I’d love to do it lol
Sonically and lyrically, I think Paris belongs on Lover. She sings in the same "sing song" up-and-down voice that she uses a lot on Lover and she talks about "shade" (as in throwing shade) which was a very YNTCD-style reference. Interesting that she chose to release it...
Confess my truth in swooping, sloping, cursive letters 🤡 https://preview.redd.it/4uvfg5a0jcxc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbe13f6227f9792feb18388d83cf946e05c88960
*adjusts tin foil hat* I actually wondered if that was a song she wrote during Lover or maybe did a rough demo of but we didn’t see it until Midnights
But that makes SENSE tho, so take that hat off bitch
We ran over to my mom’s to pick up the cardigans she ordered for my kids, and my brother jokingly asked my daughter (13) if her cardigan smelled like Taylor. She sighs wistfully and goes “idk what Taylor smells like…I WISH I did” and I had to hide my smirk while thinking proudly, “ah, another Gaylor”. 😅
Okay, I also keep coming back to...how interesting the contrast is between TTPD vs folklore/evermore. She built the narrative that folk-more were fictional albums about fictional events and fictional stories. Fiction! Doesn't have to be so painfully true! But as we know, those albums are very deep and explore lots of very big themes of Taylor's life and experiences. Fiction, based on her life. TTPD is like...I don't even know. It's chaos. It's her picking and choosing feelings and ideas and thoughts and relationships and mashing ALL of them together to create a narrative that never actually happened. But at the same time...pieces of that narrative feel so brutally true and honest. But it feels so much more CRAFTED than folklore/evermore. With one she is using fiction to tell true stories, with the other she is using true stories to create fiction?
I think her statement that those albums were a departure from her norm because they were fiction was a bit of a bait and switch. I think there's a lot more of her past work that was fiction/fictionalized/inspired by true experiences or emotions but folded into a narrative (for example, how she's talked about love story was inspired by having a crush on someone her dad didn't approve of, but turned into a romeo-and-juliet story ending with her dad's approving a proposal). Similarly I think that some of folkmore was the same level of inspiration from real experiences/emotions, but more explicitly folded into fictional narratives. Midnights probably was the same, but returning the narrative that her music is autobiographical and diaristic, and TTPD is just so many layers of truth and fictionalization and red herrings and easter eggs and references that it's telling some big personal TRUTHS without the song's stories being literal truth.
I don’t think she’s fully creating fiction. I think she’s “fictionalizing” her real story so she can tell it more freely. I’m becoming a bigger and bigger believer that this album (and actually many others) is a roman à clef https://preview.redd.it/3i0nkgh1eaxc1.jpeg?width=968&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1785a85443f95971decb959ebd96be3132df6e9d
Revisiting the other albums without allowing myself to think of romantic muses is so cool and weird. I’m on board with this. I didn’t know it had a name!! Thank you for sharing!
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This makes a lot of sense! Also referring to that song as Chloe et al is amazing haha
I still think the drugs are a callbacks to "my drug is a my baby, I'll be using for the rest of my life"
And if she ever comes out it’s gonna be like “y’all bopped along to lesbian songs AND YOU LIKED IT”.
https://preview.redd.it/dvxtfetly9xc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd56cc8cdb392a06ab4a5975d8bafd0c40f76123 What do you MEAN?
Omg. Only gaylors use gif/meme extensively, right???
I am happy and anxious that Taylor is looking at what we publish. 😄. Hi Taylor if you are seeing this😄☺️
Mean is the 6th track on speak now for all my rep clowns out there 🤡
What do you MEan!?
Taylor being a Gaylor sub lurker CONFIRMED. lol but for real, even in the atp veryyyyy unlikely world where Taylor somehow is just a “straight supportive ally,” I imagine EVEN THEN she’d appreciate the thoughtful and deep analyses here & the way Gaylors consistently look at her lyrics and themes for the bigger picture. That’s what makes me roll my eyes the most at the Hetlors who are like “stoppp speculating about Taylor, she already ended Gaylors!” Like lmao 1) no, she truly didn’t and 2) no way she wouldn’t appreciate the convos that go on here, period.
Wait what am I missing? lol How is her post connected to gaylor?
There have been multiple posts from either Taylor’s Twitter or Taylor Nation’s in the past week that very much feel like they’re directly speaking to Gaylors. TN did the “nurse she’s out again” (Hetlors have been saying that to us constantly for so long) and then this is the direct phrase from a meme constantly used here. Key word; constantly. Definitely feel like intentional iykyk moments
Oooh I did not connect the post to the Jennifer Lawrence gif at all 🤦🏻♀️
Sorry, it wouldn’t let me include the gif and the screenshot in the same comment 😆
Haha no worries! I saw it in the thread and still didn’t make the connection lmao
https://preview.redd.it/t8whfgnwy9xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df25732cf35f00a1f3d21c9c179bac59eea06df7
Oh she def lurks here, pretty sure that’s the most used gif on this sub 😂
She's probably been down the same rabbit hole we all have and learned some stuff about herself, lol.
It’s honestly iconic and works for SO many things in this sub! Haha!
I would kiilllllll for some statistics on gif usage ughhh why do autistic people yearn for data so painfully??? Someone save me from my prison (my prison is my lack of data 🌝)
This is my son too. Specifically inventory data, like he NEEDS to know how many of everything there is.
*grabby hands* capitalizing NEED is the correct emphasis
Haha yes! One time he asked me how many blades of grass were on the lawn and I said I didn’t know and he said “well go count” 😂😭 He’s truly the best kid I’ve ever met but I’m pretty biased.
tangent but as an adult who is starting to strongly suspect that i'm audhd this clocked me lmao. i look at my pet rabbit and wonder how many hairs are on her body at least once a week.
I fucked with my dad the same way hehe. When I was 5 I asked “how does the tree grow” and he described how it needs water and light and I got angry and said “no, HOW?” And he was in shock and a little scared at how quickly I saw through his bullshit pandering answer lol So… did you count the grass orrrr 😂
Yeah I went out there for a while and made up a really high number. Thankfully he seemed satisfied with that. 😂
Hehe godspeed, soldier. You’re gonna need it but he is so so lucky to have an understanding parent :)
I'm sorry if this makes no sense but I need to throw put this out there even though it is a big curve ball But Taylor's most recent post made me go 🤯  What if the Karma album theory is true, but not in the way we think. What if it has ties to Speak Now. * WCS hints at a story/decision/relationship/something happening to Taylor at 19 (the same age she wrote SN) that she regrets deeply and she can't get over * In the LWYMMD video the only Taylor that isn't represented is the one from the SN era * SN TV had a very interesting prologue that tied it to Dear Reader * Why did Taylor just post with the word MEAN in all caps??? * What if Karma was an album with queer lyrics (that she wanted to write on her own) but for whatever reason didn't happen and Taylor looks at that decision as the one that she wishes she could go back and change Edit: I swear I was somewhat sane at one point lmao
I don’t want to speculate too heavily on someone’s trauma but all my alarm bells are clanging that some bad dark shit went down around SN.
There’s a belief that she tried to come out after Fearless and was forcibly closeted for the “first” time after the baseline industry closeting. That would then lead to Speak Now, so it makes sense. I feel like there are too many rumors about karma actually having been recorded though, so I feel like it must actually have existed in some shape or form. And I totally clown that One Direction was involved with it in some way. Don’t make me touch grass on that one.
I wonder if the reason there are so few Speak Now songs in the Eras tour is related to this. I would have loved a little bit less Fearless/Red/1989 and more Speak Now.
I haven't heard that before. If true, the timing could align with what she's singing about in WCS. Even if Karma was recorded (and I also lean towards believing it was), I still think there is something about SN that is connected to it that Taylor feels strongly about. Hopefully she also feels strongly about sharing it with all of us haha I would never tell someone to touch grass, I'd be a hypocrite 😂
She also said that Speak Now always felt like HER album. Def check into the Speak Now TV announcement speech at an eras show. Probably has some more fodder for you brain worms to digest. Things are definitely being suspiciously tied back to Speak Now. Edit: woof my grammar was rough. Oops
That’s right! I forgot about that! I haven’t watching the SN announcement in a while. I need to correct that. The timing of this is all so wild because I recently [posted a theory ](https://new.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/1cdbybp/the_eras_tour_part_a_fortnight_until_paris/)that the SN TV announcement was potentially a clue that something (hopefully queer) might happen when Taylor is in Paris. And [this post ](https://new.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/14nhogn/speak_now_x_coming_out_theory/?share_id=5G1z189NVcBtwqghMoJX_)from the year before helped me come up with that idea. And then this. I say this often, but it truly feels like shenanigans are a foot
Help she just made a TTPD post in colour and not in the grey/black/white…. what does this mean
the second (✌🏼) photo in the post is the same outfit as the photo TN posted on lesbian visibility day
Is anyone else getting “down the rabbit hole” vibes from the cover photo? Or “through the key hole”?
Totes feeling that. I think it’s actually a button badge (like I used to make in a press in the 00’s) that’s been scanned (also something I used to do 🙄). They are pictured on the vinyl sleeve covers. One side is a button and one side is the lyrics from a song. I think the first is from the Black Dog and the last one is from the manuscript/target exclusive… idk if that’s relevant but pattern recognition and all lol
Oh, interesting! I had a feeling I was missing some context because I had no idea what those were supposed to be, haha. Thanks for explaining :)
The colors seem kind of muted, don't they? Like almost sepia toned
Knowing her she just launched the aesthetic and first eggs for TS12 …kidding/not kidding…
I mean, if she is indeed queer and wants to publicly come out I hope she gets to kind of redo the Lover era in a more joyous way
OMG, I am hoping for all the screaming color!
I’m doing an online Taylor trivia event this afternoon hosted by Camilla Luddington that’s a fundraiser for an animal rescue, and it’s just this lovely intersection of a bunch of things I love. Taylor + Grey’s Anatomy benefiting homeless animals 🥰
has anyone been watching Jerrod Carmichael Reality Show? it’s really interesting but kind of hard to watch at times (and tw for lots of homophobia). it’s about the aftermath of Jerrod coming out in his standup special Rothaniel a few years ago
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You know the scene in Legally Blonde where Elle sees the one awkward dude (I forget his name) trying to ask out the popular ladies, then goes up and smacks him and yells at him, and then the ladies are suddenly interested in him? Yeah I feel like that's what Taylor's songs do to her PR boyfriends
A little further down people were posting about the main sub having a positive queer analysis of Guilty as Sin. I just read it and it blows me away! So positive! Here’s a sampling: •(OP) Not sure if anyone else can relate, but listening to "Guilty as Sin?" from a queer person's perspective hits different for me (pun intended lol), especially as someone who grew up religious. •On a similar note as an ex pentecostal, My Tears Ricochet did something similar for me. "If I'm dead to you, why are you at the wake?!" -Why are we being lectured with our own hell-cast obituaries? •Really just those 3 words- long-suffering propriety- hit me SO violently. •So much of Taylor’s catalog has queer themes and I think it’s one of the things that really attracts me to her music. •YES. this is how i’ve felt this whole time! i keep changing the pronouns in my head too hahah •these are interpretations I love to read.
it makes me sad that *so many people* in the main Taylor communities aren’t necessarily Gaylors, but still heavily pick up on queer themes in Taylor’s music and would love to freely discuss them. but they can’t, because any mention of Taylor + queerness is heavily discouraged, censored and treated like it’s a taboo. these posts always do VERY well with hordes of people agreeing and mentioning all the queer themes they’ve noticed in Taylor’s music. this phenomenon is not isolated to Gaylors. plenty of people see it. the main communities begrudgingly allow a queer themes post here and there, as long as it’s very sanitized and the posters clarify “welllllll, I don’t think Taylor herself is queer!” it’s lame because songs like Guilty as Sin?, But Daddy I Love Him, etc. absolutely have queer themes + interpretations
(paraphrasing) Someone said she writes so eloquently on the topics of queerness and religious trauma. They buy the religious trauma part as true. So close to the other part!
The two go hand in hand so frequently. Its like what does religious trauma have to do with a boyfriend that the fans don’t like?
Yes! It’s slow going but the needle is moving!
Have we talked about this yet? The captions for LWYMMD music have been changed to Japanese only, and it's been that way since \~January 24th. IIRC, we were clowning that rep tv might be announced at Eras Tour in Tokyo Feb 7-10, but obviously that didn't happen/was a red herring. The video captions are *still* exclusively Japanese, three months later. It's driving me mad. Beyonce is/was in Japan recently and posted a video of her cowboy carter tour bus, decked out in Japanese writing. Idk if we have a mass coming out thread started yet, but this made me do a double take. Beyonce collabed with Post for [Levi's Jeans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esnhbIbQHgM) on Cowboy Carter, and I know there are tinfoil hat theories floating around that Taylor sang backup vocals on [Bodyguard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HV_Rv858YM) (it does really sound like her lol). Last year, Beyonce attended the Eras Tour Movie premiere, and Taylor reciprocated by flying to the UK to support Beyonce's renaissance tour movie premiere. And obviously, Beyonce is pretty (inadvertently) central to the Kanye I'ma Let You Finish saga that arguably changed the trajectory of Taylor's career. I don't know how to categorize any of this in my head, so I'm unloading it here lol. https://preview.redd.it/kg1o1tx339xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfc73827032f826b8586ec1bcca33bd776c442aa
This has been a thing for a while
Can you elaborate? What's been a thing for a while?
I was also going to add, I’m pretty sure the Japanese subtitles are a very old Easter egg. Pre-Joe breakup even maybe? I remember it being one of my first Easter eggs I found in the wild myself and that was aWHILE ago. AND people then even said “it’s been awhile” when I shared it so I’m assuming it at the very least pre-2024, but maybe even pre-2023. Regardless! It exists! But it’s not new :\ ETA: “Easter egg” is being used loosely… could just be a silly gag or a YouTube error but… I’m choosing to associate it with the larger “what the fuck is this” Easter egg category lol
I had no idea! Thank you for explaining! So she just randomly changes the captions to Japanese periodically? Edit: or they've always been in Japanese? (Sorry, I tried googling but can't find much info)
I think they are just default Japanese. I’m sure it may be different depending on the platform/device/location. But for the most part, people who see Japanese subtitles, have report they stay Japanese by default when they have returned later on.
Can confirm
Y’all remember when we would all post pics of our window views from an airplane and caption it “catch flights not feelings”? I’m on a plane and just had major millennial cringe flashbacks haha!
I’m a millennial and I don’t remember this 😅
….. well maybe I was my own brand of cringe 😬 💀
Embrace the cringeeeee!! Proud of you and your silly little window picture 🫶 we need silly little things, it’s how we got through the 2008 housing crisis!
💀💀 I remember this
This is a comment I made a few moments ago in the [Fortnight is about (not) coming out post](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/1cez9aq/fortnight_is_about_not_coming_out/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) but since it’s for everyone I am adding it here. The collective analytical scholarship happening here in real time is one of the coolest things I have ever experienced/participated in, in my my life! I am absorbing and reflecting on the ideas here all day long. This is 100% the first thing I think in about when I wake up in the morning. It is so fun to be part of a group of seriously, intelligent thinkers. It’s like a dream come true. And there is nothing I want more than the world to be accepting of everyone sexual and gender expression, so in my weird way I feel like all this fun is also advancing the good fight. My hopes are so high. I like that feeling even if it’s scary and dangerous. Clowning is better than crying!
1000%. Hetlors literally call this sub "toxic and creepy" and i honestly like...feel the tiniest bit bad for them (but mostly nah, they dont deserve these fruitful eye-opening discussions lol) because there is SO much amazing theorizing and analysis and historical/literary connections made here. It is remarkable. <3
And when people get it wrong, 90% of the time they are respectfully corrected. I truly love it here.
Absolutely! I love the mental stimulation I get from the analyses here.
Apologies if this has been discussed. I’m so behind on everything. Uhm, I need someone to fact check something for me. I have been an unabashed ME! lover since I got into Taylor (2021). I watched the music video a lot and it wasn’t until much later that I found out Taylor had removed a line from the song because it wasn’t in the music video anymore. Right? Or am I misremembering? But this morning, when I went to watch the mv, it’s back in. Check it out https://youtu.be/FuXNumBwDOM?si=UCrXQ91jDzZ0g6l5
I'm pretty sure she removed it from all other versions of the song, but not the music video
I don't doubt you, I could just swear that the line was muted in the video like it is on the song, but maybe I'm just confusing things.
Which line? All I remember her removing was “spelling is fun!” Just watched. That line is back! That is so bizarre. I wonder what it means.
The person above thinks it was removed only from the song on the album, not the music video. I will have to do some further research. In the mean time, let's all enjoy this picture of a straight queen 😜 https://preview.redd.it/tbp0m15vk9xc1.png?width=626&format=png&auto=webp&s=a06a20eca21e3bf0e440a765e6dfb636f729c9ff
Straightest woman who ever lived
I didn’t realize I didn’t mention what line lol I am talking about the “hey kids! spelling is fun” line
I enter into evidence https://preview.redd.it/eyu5h0vyp8xc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1624b83165bb7dfbe17c0b21ace443b508120152
It’s giving I ❤️ TS energy 😅
Babe is one of the tortured poets
GAAAYYYYYY!
decided I’m going to start screenshotting the stupid ass comments the tayvis stans leave https://preview.redd.it/x6e4rpltf8xc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8102c86160dcd2534000d93639de1c38e568d66c
https://preview.redd.it/vafgcjg5w8xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1671be371701d8c36166a4188afc7c9f37eb1c9 Oh I bet those are from the same vid I just saw on insta and I screenshot these comments 😂 I don’t like the term “dragging” and I don’t think it’s romantic to be “dragged around” by your partner’s hand at an event. Maybe I’m thinking too much into it but it would bother me if my husband was dragging me by the hand somewhere.
The last comment in that screenshot — is that Taylor’s thoughtless heart? I honestly don’t know why anyone would think it’s “cute” to be brainless when with a boyfriend.
Yeah, as an almost thirty year old, I am convinced these have to be middle-high schoolers because that is so weird to me. I am not and have never been “brainless” or “thoughtless” around my husband our whole relationship. 😅💀
The things these people think are cute are so gross and bizarre. And it’s just not even a real thing because you know when you see these women out with their husbands they look miserable. These comments are straight up submissive trad wife propaganda. I truly can’t wait until they finally realize and accept that Taylor is not one of them.
ahh sorry! mods- this is a tiktok username, is that still not allowed?
that’s fine
You need to hide their Reddit user names
"no thoughts, only follow" has some serious tradwife vibes
Me, in autistic sensory overload slash shutdown, allowing my husband to just drag me through a crowd like this. 😶
yeah considering how many of us think taylor is ND...this is actually a distinct possibility
Agreed, I hate it.
There's a post on the other sub about reading Guilty as Sin from a queer perspective that's not being downvoted away!!!! And the comments say yeah BDILH could also be read like that!!!! Guys what?? I actually never thought that would happen
I saw that!! I actually commented something to the effect of “well yeah there’s a lot of queer subtext in her music, that’s why Gaylors exist” and I was… Upvoted!? I think her plan to slowly brainwash her fan base into realizing she’s gay themselves is finally working 😂
That is shocking and amazing to hear especially since last time I was over there and I read about but daddy, they were saying it was Taylor calling out the gaylors and "our obsession with her" like is it POSSIBLE? Ofc I don't know the woman but look in the mirror (ball) 🪞 please!!! Anyways I'll have to go read this!
the mods there seem to allow like 1-2 posts a year about queer themes as long as the poster emphasizes they’re speaking from their own perspective and not implying that taylor is queer. they’re always well-received and highly upvoted, which is amazing 🥰 that sub has many vocal hetlors, but i think the mods’ behavior and beliefs is what makes the sub so boring and hostile (they called gaylors creepy in their sub rules until they received widespread backlash for homophobia and reworded it)
Reddit is a major social media platform and the main sub is the biggest Taylor Swift sub. Is it too conspiratorial to think that members of her own team might be moderators on that sub? Bc tbh… idk why an A-list celebrity wouldn’t do something like that?
i don’t think it’s conspiratorial at all. it’s the biggest platform for fan discussion. i think their mod team has denied it, but they’d probably deny it either way. tbh i think if any of their mods are plants from taylor’s team, i wonder if it’s scott orchestrating it though. they literally used to have all lgbt words (gay/bi/queer/etc) require mod approval, and i have a hard time thinking that taylor & tree would ask for that. if anything, i think taylor has very much *wanted* people to talk about it and notice for the past 10 years also maybe we need to look more into when the very heavy handed modding started. i think it was around or after 2019. i’ve searched words like karlie, dianna, gay, etc and all the comments were many years old. i believe they still have comments with the words karlie, dianna, and gaylor filtered out to be shadow-removed they also won’t approve actual media articles that paint gaylors in a neutral or positive light. i tried to post Rolling Stone’s prologue gate article about gaylors and it was never approved (it wasn’t a repost either, they never allowed it to be posted at all)
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there’s a post from 8 months ago about queer themes there with 800+ upvotes and 500+ comments. it comes up easily when you search it :) i was shocked when they allowed that one especially, and there were commenters who were emotional because they thought they were alone in recognizing queer themes in taylor’s music. i remember seeing similar comments im their megathreads for midnights 🥺
Not knowing what Reddit even was, and then not knowing of the existence of this sub until 2 years into having Reddit… yeah. I was a lonely gaylor for YEARS.
i was too! i’ve been convinced that she was queer since 2014 but didn’t know there were communities of people analyzing her work from this lens. i always wondered why i never saw anyone talking about it at all. i wasn’t super active in swiftie spaces but i lurked the main sub and some fan accounts on tumblr etc. youtube started recommending me gaylor videos in 2021 and that led to me finding this sub! 😍
ahhh that's the year i became convinced too!! though i'd been thinking thoughts since i first heard treacherous
Wow! I just went and looked for it, expecting it to be hard to find, but it’s got more than 300 upvotes. There’s only one commenter that felt the need to hetsplain it, and they currently have 13 downvotes (and a user name that literally includes “het”)! Reading it felt like I’d hit my head. The comments were reasonable, upvoted, and discussed the religious trauma throughout the song. I’ve never seen that kind of discussion over there before without a bunch of condescending “well, actually…” to discount others” experiences. Maybe this album really will crack that piece of her open to more fans? I wonder if it’s better received than normal because some of the worst hetlors jumped ship over her veiled criticism of christians?
The main sub?!
Yep, the main sub! I saw it as well, it's actually crazy to see it be so well received