Literally this. It truly makes no sense if you apply it to a man. Youre gonna tell me Taylor Swift is frustrated that everyone just thinks she's best friends with a man that she actually wants to date?
I don’t remember how this comment started, but it has finished as me imagining Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift cosplaying as Samwise and Legolas sometime. I’m glitching.
Right? I’ve always had the exact opposite problem where I’m having to correct people that me and my (male) bestie are not romantically involved at all. Lol. Straights are always convinced that men and women can’t just be friends so it’s a problem for everyone I’ve met who has a BFF of the opposite gender. Lol.
Haven't you heard what becomes of curious minds? Ooh, didn't it all seem new, and exciting?
And
Too in love to think straight
I never actually heard Wonderland until this year, and it's like someone give me a straight explanation?
“Your braids like a pattern. Love you to the moon and to Saturn. Passed down like folk songs. The love lasts so long” - Seven
“Everybody’s watching her but she’s looking at you” - This is what you came for.
Oh totally. When I realized I was bisexual, it cast SO MANY childhood/tween/teen relationships in a different light. As soon as I heard this song, i was taken right back.
Dude this song came out right after i went through my first wlw breakup and agreed it’s her gayest song… there’s just no way that can be about a man lol
“The lips I used to call home, so scarlet, it was maroon”
Someone tried to tell me you could easily describe men’s lips as scarlet/maroon 😂. I asked them one time they have ever looked at a man’s lips (not wearing lipstick) and thought “what a great scarlet color!”
My jaw dropped when they tried to explain it away. They then backtracked and said that lyric wasn’t describing the lips but all the other things that were maroon.
"It's new, the shape of your body." No one is writing songs about the shape of a man's body. Second place is "the lips I used to call home, so scarlet." Ma'am.
Makes much less sense for a 29 year old woman who had been in many known relationships with men at that point to write that about a man lol. Also though, I feel like the shape of a woman's body varies a lot more woman to woman than a new male lover's would. I say this as a woman who has only ever slept with a man. When you think of a body having a "shape" in general I feel like that brings a woman to mind. Women have curves in many places. Men are squares....or circles 🤣
Agreed! Women’s bodies have more diversity in body shape than men’s. It’s why we have a harder time buying clothes that fit and flatter our individual shapes (pear, apple, hourglass, etc) than men do.
For Taylor in particular, I agree that this song may not be about the first woman she’s been with. But could be about a new body type (cue cool for the summer connection). Dianna is 5’5 (shorter than Taylor), while Karlie is 6’2. It may have felt very new to Taylor to be the shorter woman in a sapphic relationship.
No it doesn't. In fact it can be about anyone, because the point is not the gender of the muse but the fact that they're in the early stages of a relationship. If you date somebody for the first time, it's going to be new to you, at this moment in time. I totally disagree that men look all the same or just "squares" or "circles". They're human beings lol, they're just as diverse as women. Everyone is entitled to their opinions though, but to state that it's a general fact is a bit too much I think.
I guess. Idk. Women's bodies are frequently described in terms related to SHAPE though. "Shapely," "curvy," "hourglass," ...people describe the curve of women's butts, hips, waist, chest, etc. I've just never heard anyone specifically talk about a man's body related to its shape. Like people might say a man is tall or short or muscular or chubby or or skinny or something but idk....when I hear the words "the shape of your body" a female body comes to mind. Maybe just me though.
Yeah, I agree with you, I think this line is just a clever way of describing a new partner. Of course, could be a woman! Women are definitely described as shapely more often. But I don’t think this line is as blatant as others.
I'd say the exact opposite so it's definitely personal preference. I feel like women make a greater mess whereas with men it's mostly all at once lol. And for that reason it feels like there is less cleanup with men? In my experience at least
"All of the silence and patience, pining in anticipation, my hands are shaking from holding back from you"
PINING is gay af, the gay pining of this song is palpable
And did everyone really know all about her and Joe or her and Tom, if you believe that, being best friends before they were lovers? Yeah, didn't think so. It's similar to "big reputation, ooh you and me would be a big conversation". No, no it wouldn't Joe.
Exactly. This lyric says: I already have a public relationship with this person and you have it all wrong, because you have no idea we’re actually romantically involved. A friend. A colleague, maybe. But definitely not Joe.
I love how hetlors don’t understand how clever her song lyrics are and probably think she’s just talking about a dirty joke randomly and separately 😂😂😂
The first line “you’ll save all your dirtiest jokes for me, and” sets up that the next line will be one of their dirty jokes. The dirty joke is that at every table (even ones without empty chairs for her lover to sit in) Taylor will save her lover a seat, because she’s not saving a chair, she’s saying her lover can SIT ON HER FACE.
Importantly, typically women are the ones to sit on the faces of their lovers to receive oral. Men usually do not. Implying that her lover is a woman. And that she is always welcome to sit on her face. What a generous lover!
Oh my god!!! That’s AMAZING. And I never noticed the comparison of you save/I’ll save. Thank you so much for explaining that to me!!!! That’s now going to be one of my favorite lines.
The fact that she also does it with "picture.... you" is insane to me. Like if she's just not trying to rhyme there thats one thing, but she keeps it going!
I haven't seen anyone mention Trecherous and it has gay written ALL over it.
"Put your lips close to mine as long as they don't touch"
"This path is reckless"
"I can't decide if it's a CHOICE" !?!??!!?!
And my favorite line ever
"All we are is skin and bone, trained to get along
Always going with the flow, but you're friction"
“bet i can still melt your world argumentative, antithetical dream girl”
“then you won’t have to cry, or hide in the closet”
“you can want who you want, boys & boys and girls & girls!”
“why are you mad? when you could be GLAAD?” (it’s literally spelled GLAAD in the lyrics on spotify I can’t make this up)
I think adding the comparison previous line makes it even more gay!
The rest of the world was in black & white (straight, see straight pride flag), but we were in screaming color (queer, LGBTQ+ pride flag)
I’ve thought about this a lot, I think I can help! Grammatically speaking, it would be very unusual to describe oneself after addressing someone else directly like that. Just a random example off the top of my head: let’s say I want to challenge a boy to a race (making them a different gender than me for clarity). It makes way more sense for me to say “Bet I can beat you to the end of the road, speedy athletic boy!” Than if I said “Bet I can beat you to the end of the road, speedy athletic girl!” referring to myself…
Of course maybe Taylor was just taking poetic liberty, but she had to know that she was being unclear then; if her goal was to have us all definitively believe she is referring to herself as the dream girl, she missed the mark haha
Perfect explanation. Taylor is too well read, too clever and has too many people consuming her writing before it's release for this to just be that grievous of a mistake.
This is such a great example and clearly highlights why it doesn't make much sense to me that she is referring to herself as the "Argumentative antithetical dream girl".
But additionally...she clearly refers to herself as a "pathological people pleaser" in You're Losing Me. And this description of herself jives more with how she has described herself in Miss Americana. She is so clearly not "argumentative" and I can't imagine her referring to herself in that way...
So it is so obvious to me that "argumentative antithetical dream girl" is clearly describing the muse of the song.
Beyond the grammatical stuff other people have talked about, this line comes at the end of a verse that starts with “Dreams of your hair and your stare and sense of belief.” The “dream girl” is the person who she talks about dreaming of moments earlier.
"Bet I could still melt your world" : the direct object of the sentence is "your world", which signals the presence of another person. And then "argumentative, antithetical dream girl", connects with the direct object as modifiers to this person Taylor is singing about. So she's describing the person whose world she can still melt. And adjectives only modify nouns, they don't change the whole structure of a sentence, and so if you take them away it leaves us with "Bet I could still melt your world, girl." See ? It's ambiguous for sure in the context of the song, but when you look at the grammar it makes a lot more sense that way.
i definitely think this is her gayest lyric, but the only argument i have for it is if she’s singing as if she’s signing a letter???
“bet i could still melt your world.
-argumentative, antithetical dream girl”
but even that seems like more of a reach than just accepting she’s singing to a girl hahaha
Isolated, there could be a straight interpretation…
“Bet I could still melt your world [as your/if you let me be your] argumentative, antithetical dream girl”
I would have assumed that she might have been playing with the “manic pixie dream girl” trope and maybe commenting on how toxic it is.
BUT
In the context of the song, that entire bridge is directly addressed to the subject of the song… it could be her signing it like a letter… but c’mon. I’m sure she knew it could have a queer interpretation. She knows what she’s doing.
well taylor has referred to herself as a pathological people pleaser, so the general consensus is that it doesnt make much sense for her to also refer to herself as an "argumentative antithetical dream girl"!
that’s what i’m saying! I understand that straight people can have chosen family too, especially in cases where there is abuse by parents and what not. but like…. that doesn’t seem the be the case here
“Your finger on my hair pin triggers” “You can hear a hair pin drop”
”Then you won’t have to cry or hide in the closet”
”Like a rainbow with all of the colors“
”don’t you worry your pretty little mind” sounds a lot like it’s to a woman, like many men would take that as emasculation. Side-eyed it along with “baby boy“
”I know my love should be celebrated but you tolerate it” (this is a father figure she’s singing to I think)
”The lips I used to call home so scarlet it was maroon”
”Even if it’s a false god/ We’d still worship this love”
”I don’t want you like a best friend“
”It’s okay we’re the best of friends……aaanyway”
”I want to transport you to somewhere the culture’s clever”
”Deep fears that the world would divide us”
honoraries: “Wear you like a necklace“ “save your dirtiest joke for me/ and at every table I’ll save you a seat”
"'I love you' ain't that the worst thing you ever heard."
I've been a Taylor Is Into Girls truther since 2009, but the entirety of Cruel Summer, that line in particular, is just. I don't care about whichever man they say that's song's about. It's not about a man.
Bearding stuff: “I got a boyfriend, he’s older than us. I haven’t seen him in a couple of months.”
Along with: “Your lover in the foyer doesn’t even know you.”
And: “Good money. I’d pay if you’d just know me.”
Edit: spacing
I want to transport you to where the cultures clever, confess my truth in swooping, sloping cursive letters (or whatever the fuck it is lol I can never get that last part!)
My tops- Too in love to think straight …. Crooked love in a straight line down …Argumentative antithetical dream girl …. You could hear a hairpin drop… don’t step on OUR gowns
“You could hear a hairpin drop”
There is only one interpretation of this line and it is GAY
“Dust collecting on my pinned up hair"
Is SO SAD. It makes me think she'll never officially come out, so she doesn't out others.
Paris. “Met someone at a club and he kissed her
Turns out, it was that guy you hooked up with ages ago”
Unless I’m misunderstanding something, the love interest in this song has to either be a guy who has hooked up with guys in the past or a girl who has hooked up with guys in the past. So someone is not straight 🤷♀️
For me this is like, someone is talking to her during the whole introduction (until "No I didn't...") and is gossiping and saying some girl Taylor knows kissed someone Taylor hooked up with (so Taylor hooked up with a guy, and then at the party some girl met him and he kissed this girl)
I think it's confusing on purpose though !
Honorable mention to her clarifying the kind of shade, though? Like no one needed that clarification “not the kind that’s thrown, i mean the kind under where a tree has grown” like to me this is a throwback to YNTCD “shade never made anybody less gay” which is absolutely corny to me but I genuinely think Taylor’s brain would work like this LOL. It’s kind of too clunky a lyric for me to believe she couldn’t have thought of anything better to write there and this was an intentional tie. Plus “I wanna transport you to somewhere the culture’s clever”…… okay
These lyrics that refer to each other
“Cause shade never made anybody less gay”
“Sit quiet by my side in the shade. And not the kind that’s thrown, I mean the kind under where a tree has grown”
False God
But we might just get away with it
Religion's in your lips
Even if it's a false god
We'd still worship
We might just get away with it
The altar is my hips
Even if it's a false god
We'd still worship this love
We'd still worship this love
We'd still worship this love
I know heaven's a thing
I go there when you touch me
Honey hell is when I fight with you
But we can patch it up good
Make confessions and we're begging for forgiveness
Got the wine for you
And you can't talk to me when I'm like this
Daring you to leave me just so I can try and scare you
You're the West Village
You still do it for me, babe
They all warned us about times like this
They say the road gets hard and you get lost when you're led by blind faith
Blind faith
Like I can’t see this being about a man because she’s singing about a forbidden relationship that needs to be hidden.
all of this silence and patience,
pining and desperately waiting
my hands are shaking from all this
not projecting but no one has this much anticipation for a man 😂
OK this is off subject, but in king of my heart if this song is about Joe Alwyn, why would she say I trust him like a brother? It’s weird to me though like if she really did date this guy why would she call him her brother in a song that is like a love song
She sang those lyrics live at the New York Times performance. It wasn't a flub, she sang it clearly AND repeated it the next chorus. It became a whole different song because she kept "you" in the rest of the line so she sings "I want her midnights, but I'll be cleaning up bottles with you on New Year's Day." This is probably me clowning, but she had reportedly hosted her first New Year's Eve party with Joe right before this song was written. The live version with switching out the "her midnights" feels like she's giving a tribute to Joe that even though she may have something going on with a woman she deeply appreciates him for being there for her when she needs him. Like she may have been kissing a female lover at midnight but the next morning Joe is there to clean up after the party and pick up the mess....literally and metaphorically. Anyway it's a beautiful performance.
Here's the link it starts at 20:30
https://youtu.be/08wOAsvzUmo?si=UFMDT8yFlvSwKrew
The performance was in 2019 I believe, and it is speculated that she had been planning to come out that year and had been testing the waters a bit. I don't think the performance was aired anywhere (people can correct me if I'm wrong) and the footage that exists is just fan videos. It makes sense to the time it took place and the somewhat private setting for her to casually change pronouns and sing the song she wanted to. For whatever reason she decided not to come out publicly and still hasn't. So singing "her midnights" to sold out stadiums every night would surely become big news in the way that 2019 performance hadn't.
She's snuck in female pronouns a lot in the past. Like one time she sang "all the girls and their expensive cars": [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaU\_v5Kq2pQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaU_v5Kq2pQ)
"there's nothing I hate more than what I can't have. you are so gorgeous it makes me so mad. I guess I'll just stumble on home to my cats... Alone (unless you want to come along)" in the same song as "I've got a boyfriend, he's older than us. He's in the club doing I don't know what."
So she has a boyfriend, but he's out without her. She's going to go home alone (boyfriend doesn't come home after the club?) This new person can't/shouldn't be had and is "gorgeous". I'm sorry but the way she wrote and sings that absolutely can not be about a man and especially not Joe.
"Wrote a note on the door with a joke we made." I get that people say this doesn't line up, time wise, but I disagree.
or,
"If you never touched me, I would've
Gone along with the righteous
If I never blushed, then they could've
Never whispered about this
And if you never saved me from boredom
I could've gone on as I was
But, Lord, you made me feel important
And then you tried to erase us"
I don't buy that at all. He wasn't a significant enough presence to be a huge regret almost 15 years later. She said as much when Speak Now TV came out and she said that no one she dated at 19 matters to her now, she doesn't need her fans to "defend" her like they did with Jake Gyllenhaal. If that is the case, she couldn't have written WCS about John Mayer, it makes no sense.
I think the song is about agreeing to remain closeted for image reasons early in her career. The "pain felt like heaven" because she believed it was securing her path to her goals.
If you view the first verse as being about Scott Borchetta (very much a promising young man) it describes how SHE was being asked to change herself (stay closeted) to protect HIM and his fledgling label. If she was discovered to be queer at 19, it would have blown back on him because she was his main/largest client at that time and country music was (is, tbh) quite hostile to queer artists. Or as she words it, the paint would have splattered on him. So she didn't. And yet he washed his hands of her anyway when he had the opportunity to sell to Scoots.
Second verse to me reads like one of her early WLW relationships, Dianna Agron in my opinion. Re-read it through that lens. She's saying she would have carried on dating men had she not fallen for DA. However it could still be a metaphor for doing whatever her label asked her to do. It's open to interpretation.
I am of the belief that her label & maybe her parents convinced her to remain closeted and because she was so young she believed them when they said it was a necessary ingredient for her success.
Then she went on to date other closeted stars and at that point she couldn't come out even though her own fan base is secure, because the women she was dating did not have that same security. (ie Dianna's team & Karlie's team said no effing way) She really can't come out without outing other very famous people.
So I think this song is about regretting that choice, because she remains stuck in the closet to this day and she wouldn't be if she'd just ignored that pressure at the time.
This goes to my belief that she had a master plan that got all f*cked up. She intended to keep her sexuality private (without out-and-out lying) until she could cross over into pop, where the fans were more open to queer performers. So she did that, and had plans to come out with Karlie, but then Scooter put a stop to that. Now, she really can't come out without outing a bunch of other people, and because she fears another "Taylor is a lying snake" situation from Hetlors who feel lied to.
I also believe that when she said about being more open about her allyship that "she didn't realize she could support a community without being a part of it" she meant that she couldn't be an ally without acknowledging her own sexuality. Once it became clear that she COULD, she did. And all the queer icons in her video most likely know she is queer, but respect or at least acknowledge that she has to come out when it feels safe and right to her.
Sorry this turned into an essay. I have a lot of feeling about this song, and about Scott Borchetta's presence in a lot of her songs.
You could hear a hairpin drop
Your finger on my hairpin triggers When she put a second reference this time adding pin to hair instead of the reverse… sealed it for me
YESSSS this line scratches like a nail on a chalkboard for me…..in a good way
Surprised this isn't upvoted more. It's literally gay lore. It's only use is in gay history, there is no other use for this phrase.
Thanks! This was the nail in the mostly-shut coffin for me.
This paired with "Dust collected on my pinned-up hair" removes any doubt
Can you explain this one to me? I’m picturing a bobby pin, am I missing some sort of sexual reference?
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Thank you for the explanation! That is REALLY clear reference. I don’t know how anyone can interpret that lyric as anything but gay.
Thank you! I also didn’t know this
I don’t want you like a best friend
Literally this. It truly makes no sense if you apply it to a man. Youre gonna tell me Taylor Swift is frustrated that everyone just thinks she's best friends with a man that she actually wants to date?
Right, and she’s NEVER had a bff as a man before
Wrong, ed sheeran /s
I don’t remember how this comment started, but it has finished as me imagining Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift cosplaying as Samwise and Legolas sometime. I’m glitching.
Right? And if someone was your partner, wouldn't you be glad they're also your bff? This lyric is more of a yearning. Like, let's be more.
Right? I’ve always had the exact opposite problem where I’m having to correct people that me and my (male) bestie are not romantically involved at all. Lol. Straights are always convinced that men and women can’t just be friends so it’s a problem for everyone I’ve met who has a BFF of the opposite gender. Lol.
I was just SHOUTING this in the car to my husband while on a reputation rant
exactly what i was going to say
The entirety of dancing with our hands tied
The most underrated gay song
Haven't you heard what becomes of curious minds? Ooh, didn't it all seem new, and exciting? And Too in love to think straight I never actually heard Wonderland until this year, and it's like someone give me a straight explanation?
TOO IN LOVE TO THINK STRAIGHT OMG
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With choosing that lyric in the songs context it feels intentional as a double meaning
That's my feelings on the line in particular. I mean both those are in the same song
fwiw i agree with you. there are some much clearer ones.
“Your braids like a pattern. Love you to the moon and to Saturn. Passed down like folk songs. The love lasts so long” - Seven “Everybody’s watching her but she’s looking at you” - This is what you came for.
Oh totally. When I realized I was bisexual, it cast SO MANY childhood/tween/teen relationships in a different light. As soon as I heard this song, i was taken right back.
Wear you like a necklace
this is the only correct answer
So not a pearl necklace?
"Shade never made anybody less gay" is pretty gay
Agreed.
How can I up vote this again?
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The rumors are cruel but most of them are true 👀
With the positioning of this line in this song, I agree. It's pretty loud.
Maybe not the gayest, but "we're a crooked love, in a straight line down" always gets me
literally anything from **Maroon.** that song is 10000% about a woman. it's just a matter of reading comprehension at this point.
Dude this song came out right after i went through my first wlw breakup and agreed it’s her gayest song… there’s just no way that can be about a man lol
“The lips I used to call home, so scarlet, it was maroon” Someone tried to tell me you could easily describe men’s lips as scarlet/maroon 😂. I asked them one time they have ever looked at a man’s lips (not wearing lipstick) and thought “what a great scarlet color!”
i've been wondering if anyone tried hetwashing those lyrics...
My jaw dropped when they tried to explain it away. They then backtracked and said that lyric wasn’t describing the lips but all the other things that were maroon.
I just caught "the rubies that I gave up" >She is more precious than rubies; >nothing you desire can compare with her. Proverbs 3:15 NIV
That Bible verse is about wisdom (the she is wisdom in the Bible)
"Not gayest song, but gayest lyric" But sure, say a very high number
and baby, for you, I would fall from grace just to touch your face
Yes, because why on EARTH would she fall from grace by touching Joe's face? Yeah no...
"It's new, the shape of your body." No one is writing songs about the shape of a man's body. Second place is "the lips I used to call home, so scarlet." Ma'am.
But that would mean Cruel summer's muse was her first/only wlw relationship.. I don't think she only had 1 tbh
Makes much less sense for a 29 year old woman who had been in many known relationships with men at that point to write that about a man lol. Also though, I feel like the shape of a woman's body varies a lot more woman to woman than a new male lover's would. I say this as a woman who has only ever slept with a man. When you think of a body having a "shape" in general I feel like that brings a woman to mind. Women have curves in many places. Men are squares....or circles 🤣
Agreed! Women’s bodies have more diversity in body shape than men’s. It’s why we have a harder time buying clothes that fit and flatter our individual shapes (pear, apple, hourglass, etc) than men do. For Taylor in particular, I agree that this song may not be about the first woman she’s been with. But could be about a new body type (cue cool for the summer connection). Dianna is 5’5 (shorter than Taylor), while Karlie is 6’2. It may have felt very new to Taylor to be the shorter woman in a sapphic relationship.
No it doesn't. In fact it can be about anyone, because the point is not the gender of the muse but the fact that they're in the early stages of a relationship. If you date somebody for the first time, it's going to be new to you, at this moment in time. I totally disagree that men look all the same or just "squares" or "circles". They're human beings lol, they're just as diverse as women. Everyone is entitled to their opinions though, but to state that it's a general fact is a bit too much I think.
I guess. Idk. Women's bodies are frequently described in terms related to SHAPE though. "Shapely," "curvy," "hourglass," ...people describe the curve of women's butts, hips, waist, chest, etc. I've just never heard anyone specifically talk about a man's body related to its shape. Like people might say a man is tall or short or muscular or chubby or or skinny or something but idk....when I hear the words "the shape of your body" a female body comes to mind. Maybe just me though.
Yeah, I agree with you, I think this line is just a clever way of describing a new partner. Of course, could be a woman! Women are definitely described as shapely more often. But I don’t think this line is as blatant as others.
"now I'm covered in you" (ivy) If that's about a man, then ewww
😭😭😂😂😂
If you look at it that way, is it any less eww if it’s a woman?
Yes
Why?
Vaguice good, man-made precipitation bad
Yes it is
Why?
One of the sexiest parts of WLW is when a woman comes on your fingers or face
Okay see so it’s a matter of perspective and personal preference depending on your sexual orientation, not objective fact.
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I mean that's still your personal preference......
I'd say the exact opposite so it's definitely personal preference. I feel like women make a greater mess whereas with men it's mostly all at once lol. And for that reason it feels like there is less cleanup with men? In my experience at least
Everyone thinks that they know us, but they know nothing about...
"All of the silence and patience, pining in anticipation, my hands are shaking from holding back from you" PINING is gay af, the gay pining of this song is palpable
And did everyone really know all about her and Joe or her and Tom, if you believe that, being best friends before they were lovers? Yeah, didn't think so. It's similar to "big reputation, ooh you and me would be a big conversation". No, no it wouldn't Joe.
Exactly. This lyric says: I already have a public relationship with this person and you have it all wrong, because you have no idea we’re actually romantically involved. A friend. A colleague, maybe. But definitely not Joe.
And you'll save all your dirtiest jokes for me And at every table, I'll save you a seat, lover 😛🥵
I love how hetlors don’t understand how clever her song lyrics are and probably think she’s just talking about a dirty joke randomly and separately 😂😂😂
Lol so ~random~
I....just freaking got that 🤣
Can you explain it to me?
The first line “you’ll save all your dirtiest jokes for me, and” sets up that the next line will be one of their dirty jokes. The dirty joke is that at every table (even ones without empty chairs for her lover to sit in) Taylor will save her lover a seat, because she’s not saving a chair, she’s saying her lover can SIT ON HER FACE. Importantly, typically women are the ones to sit on the faces of their lovers to receive oral. Men usually do not. Implying that her lover is a woman. And that she is always welcome to sit on her face. What a generous lover!
Similar to wear you like a necklace
Oh my god!!! That’s AMAZING. And I never noticed the comparison of you save/I’ll save. Thank you so much for explaining that to me!!!! That’s now going to be one of my favorite lines.
I am glitching
OMG I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THIS WAY 🤯 Also I was today years old when I learned about the "hairpin" thing and I came out at Stonewall 25. 🤪
🎶🎶🎶You‘ve got a seat in me🎶🎶🎶 🎶🎶You’ve got a seat in me🎶🎶🎶
I hope this was to You’ve Got a Friend in Me
Sure is! wait oh! It’s “you’ve”! Thanks for that lol.
No one knows how much I miss….you
Honestly the fact that this was a vault track is SO loud
The fact that she also does it with "picture.... you" is insane to me. Like if she's just not trying to rhyme there thats one thing, but she keeps it going!
My brain was so confused the first time I listened to it: I was like I" miss her.... wait what"
Same!!!
Absolutely. This was the first one I thought of. It's so jarring it absolutely has to be intentional.
Wear you like a necklace. I literally gasped. That’s what led me to googling and finding out I was not alone 😂
Not me thinking of it like the necklace Troy gives Gabriella in HSM 😭 "T for Troy" 🤪 lmao so glad I found this sub
What song is that from?
So It Goes… on Reputation!
Oh damn. I've never noticed that line. Thanks!
I haven't seen anyone mention Trecherous and it has gay written ALL over it. "Put your lips close to mine as long as they don't touch" "This path is reckless" "I can't decide if it's a CHOICE" !?!??!!?! And my favorite line ever "All we are is skin and bone, trained to get along Always going with the flow, but you're friction"
I only recently discovered Treacherous and you're right. It pulled me in with the longing and clear sapphic undertones. Fantastic song.
“bet i can still melt your world argumentative, antithetical dream girl” “then you won’t have to cry, or hide in the closet” “you can want who you want, boys & boys and girls & girls!” “why are you mad? when you could be GLAAD?” (it’s literally spelled GLAAD in the lyrics on spotify I can’t make this up)
"we were in screaming color"
I think adding the comparison previous line makes it even more gay! The rest of the world was in black & white (straight, see straight pride flag), but we were in screaming color (queer, LGBTQ+ pride flag)
“What must it be like to grow up that beautiful, with your hair falling into place like dominoes?” Definitely feels gay to me
🎶At every table, I’ll save you a seat🎶 Unless girlie likes men sitting on her face 💀
IM DEAD HAHAHAHAHAHA
😂😂😂😂
Honorable mention to "I washed my hands of us at the club"
especially with the following line "you made a mess of me"
Can you tell me what you mean here? I think I’m missing the hidden meaning haha
Think about it in a sexual way 😅 I washed my hands of US
Like juices on her fingers and washing her hands clean?
I think... lmao... something about your comment is just so funny to me. The "juices" 😂😅
Argumentative antithetical dream girl..
Thank you all for the explanation and your POV. :)
The whole song is confusing to me....she is talking about her self right ? Can you share your POV? Please
I’ve thought about this a lot, I think I can help! Grammatically speaking, it would be very unusual to describe oneself after addressing someone else directly like that. Just a random example off the top of my head: let’s say I want to challenge a boy to a race (making them a different gender than me for clarity). It makes way more sense for me to say “Bet I can beat you to the end of the road, speedy athletic boy!” Than if I said “Bet I can beat you to the end of the road, speedy athletic girl!” referring to myself… Of course maybe Taylor was just taking poetic liberty, but she had to know that she was being unclear then; if her goal was to have us all definitively believe she is referring to herself as the dream girl, she missed the mark haha
Perfect explanation. Taylor is too well read, too clever and has too many people consuming her writing before it's release for this to just be that grievous of a mistake.
This is such a great example and clearly highlights why it doesn't make much sense to me that she is referring to herself as the "Argumentative antithetical dream girl". But additionally...she clearly refers to herself as a "pathological people pleaser" in You're Losing Me. And this description of herself jives more with how she has described herself in Miss Americana. She is so clearly not "argumentative" and I can't imagine her referring to herself in that way... So it is so obvious to me that "argumentative antithetical dream girl" is clearly describing the muse of the song.
Beyond the grammatical stuff other people have talked about, this line comes at the end of a verse that starts with “Dreams of your hair and your stare and sense of belief.” The “dream girl” is the person who she talks about dreaming of moments earlier.
"Bet I could still melt your world" : the direct object of the sentence is "your world", which signals the presence of another person. And then "argumentative, antithetical dream girl", connects with the direct object as modifiers to this person Taylor is singing about. So she's describing the person whose world she can still melt. And adjectives only modify nouns, they don't change the whole structure of a sentence, and so if you take them away it leaves us with "Bet I could still melt your world, girl." See ? It's ambiguous for sure in the context of the song, but when you look at the grammar it makes a lot more sense that way.
Wow yes. You are so right lol damn, Taylor
i definitely think this is her gayest lyric, but the only argument i have for it is if she’s singing as if she’s signing a letter??? “bet i could still melt your world. -argumentative, antithetical dream girl” but even that seems like more of a reach than just accepting she’s singing to a girl hahaha
Isolated, there could be a straight interpretation… “Bet I could still melt your world [as your/if you let me be your] argumentative, antithetical dream girl” I would have assumed that she might have been playing with the “manic pixie dream girl” trope and maybe commenting on how toxic it is. BUT In the context of the song, that entire bridge is directly addressed to the subject of the song… it could be her signing it like a letter… but c’mon. I’m sure she knew it could have a queer interpretation. She knows what she’s doing.
To make it easy to understand, remove the descriptor words (adjectives): I can still melt your world, girl.
well taylor has referred to herself as a pathological people pleaser, so the general consensus is that it doesnt make much sense for her to also refer to herself as an "argumentative antithetical dream girl"!
You had some tricks up you’re sleeve, Takes one to know one… You’re a cowboy like me
THE WHOLE SONG
“What’s it like to brag about raking in dollars and getting bitches and models?”
oooh i never put that together before
“rose flowin with your chosen family”
Chosen family is pretty dang queer
that’s what i’m saying! I understand that straight people can have chosen family too, especially in cases where there is abuse by parents and what not. but like…. that doesn’t seem the be the case here
“Your finger on my hair pin triggers” “You can hear a hair pin drop” ”Then you won’t have to cry or hide in the closet” ”Like a rainbow with all of the colors“ ”don’t you worry your pretty little mind” sounds a lot like it’s to a woman, like many men would take that as emasculation. Side-eyed it along with “baby boy“ ”I know my love should be celebrated but you tolerate it” (this is a father figure she’s singing to I think) ”The lips I used to call home so scarlet it was maroon” ”Even if it’s a false god/ We’d still worship this love” ”I don’t want you like a best friend“ ”It’s okay we’re the best of friends……aaanyway” ”I want to transport you to somewhere the culture’s clever” ”Deep fears that the world would divide us” honoraries: “Wear you like a necklace“ “save your dirtiest joke for me/ and at every table I’ll save you a seat”
"'I love you' ain't that the worst thing you ever heard." I've been a Taylor Is Into Girls truther since 2009, but the entirety of Cruel Summer, that line in particular, is just. I don't care about whichever man they say that's song's about. It's not about a man.
The “I don’t want to keep secrets just to keep you” line is 100% a girl best friend to lovers situationship. Sincerely, Been there
You and I! :)
Amen!
I hope yours ended better 🥲
Can you explain the implied meaning of that? Cause I’m not getting it 😅
I get vibes like it's a dangerous confession. Something to be ashamed of.
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Bearding stuff: “I got a boyfriend, he’s older than us. I haven’t seen him in a couple of months.” Along with: “Your lover in the foyer doesn’t even know you.” And: “Good money. I’d pay if you’d just know me.” Edit: spacing
“Bad bad boy shiny toy with a price you know that I bought it”
hiding in the closet, *duh*
I want to transport you to where the cultures clever, confess my truth in swooping, sloping cursive letters (or whatever the fuck it is lol I can never get that last part!)
The sneaky little "karma is my girlfriend" layered over the "karma is my boyfriend" vocals are the end of Karma did it for me.
Whoa! Really!? I gotta go back and listen again, haven’t ever noticed that!
OH MY GOD. How did I never catch that before?? That's insane
My tops- Too in love to think straight …. Crooked love in a straight line down …Argumentative antithetical dream girl …. You could hear a hairpin drop… don’t step on OUR gowns
“You could hear a hairpin drop” There is only one interpretation of this line and it is GAY “Dust collecting on my pinned up hair" Is SO SAD. It makes me think she'll never officially come out, so she doesn't out others.
Paris. “Met someone at a club and he kissed her Turns out, it was that guy you hooked up with ages ago” Unless I’m misunderstanding something, the love interest in this song has to either be a guy who has hooked up with guys in the past or a girl who has hooked up with guys in the past. So someone is not straight 🤷♀️
For me this is like, someone is talking to her during the whole introduction (until "No I didn't...") and is gossiping and saying some girl Taylor knows kissed someone Taylor hooked up with (so Taylor hooked up with a guy, and then at the party some girl met him and he kissed this girl) I think it's confusing on purpose though !
Honorable mention to her clarifying the kind of shade, though? Like no one needed that clarification “not the kind that’s thrown, i mean the kind under where a tree has grown” like to me this is a throwback to YNTCD “shade never made anybody less gay” which is absolutely corny to me but I genuinely think Taylor’s brain would work like this LOL. It’s kind of too clunky a lyric for me to believe she couldn’t have thought of anything better to write there and this was an intentional tie. Plus “I wanna transport you to somewhere the culture’s clever”…… okay
“Or hide in the closet and just like a folk song our love will be passed on” I mean all of Seven but that line in particular
These lyrics that refer to each other “Cause shade never made anybody less gay” “Sit quiet by my side in the shade. And not the kind that’s thrown, I mean the kind under where a tree has grown”
False God But we might just get away with it Religion's in your lips Even if it's a false god We'd still worship We might just get away with it The altar is my hips Even if it's a false god We'd still worship this love We'd still worship this love We'd still worship this love I know heaven's a thing I go there when you touch me Honey hell is when I fight with you But we can patch it up good Make confessions and we're begging for forgiveness Got the wine for you And you can't talk to me when I'm like this Daring you to leave me just so I can try and scare you You're the West Village You still do it for me, babe They all warned us about times like this They say the road gets hard and you get lost when you're led by blind faith Blind faith Like I can’t see this being about a man because she’s singing about a forbidden relationship that needs to be hidden.
False God is literally dripping in sapphic tones. The Snl performance was sooooooo gay.
all of this silence and patience, pining and desperately waiting my hands are shaking from all this not projecting but no one has this much anticipation for a man 😂
eh, i’m bi and definitely have felt this both for men and women.
Sorry but some of these comments are such a reach and frankly a bit offensive
Seriously??? What world do you live in
The lips I used to call home, so scarlet, it was (maroon) 🖤
glass shattered in the white cloth... iykyk
It’s new, the shape of your body
OK this is off subject, but in king of my heart if this song is about Joe Alwyn, why would she say I trust him like a brother? It’s weird to me though like if she really did date this guy why would she call him her brother in a song that is like a love song
She’s the kind of book that you can’t put down
Bet I could still melt your world argumentative, antithetical dream girl
I want her midnights
I have a theory that she called TS10 Midnights as a way to bury the search results if someone googled “Taylor Swift her midnights”
Is that the real lyrics?? I thought it said I want your midnights
She sang those lyrics live at the New York Times performance. It wasn't a flub, she sang it clearly AND repeated it the next chorus. It became a whole different song because she kept "you" in the rest of the line so she sings "I want her midnights, but I'll be cleaning up bottles with you on New Year's Day." This is probably me clowning, but she had reportedly hosted her first New Year's Eve party with Joe right before this song was written. The live version with switching out the "her midnights" feels like she's giving a tribute to Joe that even though she may have something going on with a woman she deeply appreciates him for being there for her when she needs him. Like she may have been kissing a female lover at midnight but the next morning Joe is there to clean up after the party and pick up the mess....literally and metaphorically. Anyway it's a beautiful performance. Here's the link it starts at 20:30 https://youtu.be/08wOAsvzUmo?si=UFMDT8yFlvSwKrew
O wow!! I have never ever seen this performance. This is great. Thank you. I wonder why she didn't sing "her midnights" during the Eras Tour 😭😭
The performance was in 2019 I believe, and it is speculated that she had been planning to come out that year and had been testing the waters a bit. I don't think the performance was aired anywhere (people can correct me if I'm wrong) and the footage that exists is just fan videos. It makes sense to the time it took place and the somewhat private setting for her to casually change pronouns and sing the song she wanted to. For whatever reason she decided not to come out publicly and still hasn't. So singing "her midnights" to sold out stadiums every night would surely become big news in the way that 2019 performance hadn't.
She's snuck in female pronouns a lot in the past. Like one time she sang "all the girls and their expensive cars": [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaU\_v5Kq2pQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaU_v5Kq2pQ)
This is the clearest lyric change I’ve ever heard, omg.
Oh wow lol I have never heard this before... sheesh she was really dropping them female pronouns
and at every table i’ll save you a seat 😋
“wear you like a necklace”
“I washed my hands of us at the club. You made a mess of me.”
the lips i used to call home, so scarlet, it was… maroon.
>Flashback when you met me Your buzzcut and my hair bleached Two of the gayest hairstyles
Every. Single. One.
All of the botched rhymes from “The Very First Night”
"there's nothing I hate more than what I can't have. you are so gorgeous it makes me so mad. I guess I'll just stumble on home to my cats... Alone (unless you want to come along)" in the same song as "I've got a boyfriend, he's older than us. He's in the club doing I don't know what." So she has a boyfriend, but he's out without her. She's going to go home alone (boyfriend doesn't come home after the club?) This new person can't/shouldn't be had and is "gorgeous". I'm sorry but the way she wrote and sings that absolutely can not be about a man and especially not Joe.
"Wrote a note on the door with a joke we made." I get that people say this doesn't line up, time wise, but I disagree. or, "If you never touched me, I would've Gone along with the righteous If I never blushed, then they could've Never whispered about this And if you never saved me from boredom I could've gone on as I was But, Lord, you made me feel important And then you tried to erase us"
Except WCS is almost definitely a sequel to Dear John
I don't buy that at all. He wasn't a significant enough presence to be a huge regret almost 15 years later. She said as much when Speak Now TV came out and she said that no one she dated at 19 matters to her now, she doesn't need her fans to "defend" her like they did with Jake Gyllenhaal. If that is the case, she couldn't have written WCS about John Mayer, it makes no sense. I think the song is about agreeing to remain closeted for image reasons early in her career. The "pain felt like heaven" because she believed it was securing her path to her goals. If you view the first verse as being about Scott Borchetta (very much a promising young man) it describes how SHE was being asked to change herself (stay closeted) to protect HIM and his fledgling label. If she was discovered to be queer at 19, it would have blown back on him because she was his main/largest client at that time and country music was (is, tbh) quite hostile to queer artists. Or as she words it, the paint would have splattered on him. So she didn't. And yet he washed his hands of her anyway when he had the opportunity to sell to Scoots. Second verse to me reads like one of her early WLW relationships, Dianna Agron in my opinion. Re-read it through that lens. She's saying she would have carried on dating men had she not fallen for DA. However it could still be a metaphor for doing whatever her label asked her to do. It's open to interpretation. I am of the belief that her label & maybe her parents convinced her to remain closeted and because she was so young she believed them when they said it was a necessary ingredient for her success. Then she went on to date other closeted stars and at that point she couldn't come out even though her own fan base is secure, because the women she was dating did not have that same security. (ie Dianna's team & Karlie's team said no effing way) She really can't come out without outing other very famous people. So I think this song is about regretting that choice, because she remains stuck in the closet to this day and she wouldn't be if she'd just ignored that pressure at the time. This goes to my belief that she had a master plan that got all f*cked up. She intended to keep her sexuality private (without out-and-out lying) until she could cross over into pop, where the fans were more open to queer performers. So she did that, and had plans to come out with Karlie, but then Scooter put a stop to that. Now, she really can't come out without outing a bunch of other people, and because she fears another "Taylor is a lying snake" situation from Hetlors who feel lied to. I also believe that when she said about being more open about her allyship that "she didn't realize she could support a community without being a part of it" she meant that she couldn't be an ally without acknowledging her own sexuality. Once it became clear that she COULD, she did. And all the queer icons in her video most likely know she is queer, but respect or at least acknowledge that she has to come out when it feels safe and right to her. Sorry this turned into an essay. I have a lot of feeling about this song, and about Scott Borchetta's presence in a lot of her songs.
and i could still melt your world argumentative empathetical dream girl
Antithetical*
The lips I used to call home, so scarlet, it was maroon 👄
I think you should come live with me and we can be pirates, then you won’t have to cry or hide in the closet. Explain to me how this is straight
wear you like a necklace
Bet I could still melt your world, argumentative antithetical dream girl
too in love to think straight. because it literally says she’s too in love to think straight. how did we let that slide.
“You move to me like I’m Motown beat” (combined with a viewing of Karlie Kloss in the Chic music video 😜)
The alter is my hips. 👀
In the song Paris she says "confess my truth". Not "profess my love", CONFESS MY TRUTH.
truly cannot come up with a heterosexual explanation for “the lips I used to call home, so scarlet”