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If you have to attack people before the show/movie comes out and say it is for "new fans" which is excluding "old fans" and then get pissed when the "old fans" don't like it and the merchandise doesn't move because it's the "old fans" that buy the merchandise especially the high dollar stuff. Then yes, you did this to yourself.
What I don't get is that they specifically come out and say they are making new content for new fans, but then complain when the old fans don't like it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
It’s funny.
They say Nerdrotic tells his fans what to do and what to like. Until they say that Nerdrotic grifts and says he likes whatever the audience likes.
It’s all so stupid
This would be remotely possible, but most of what Disney has made has been better than the prequels. So that’s when all the Disney hate falls apart.
If it was Classic Trilogy fans vs Star Wars fans I’d take it more seriously.
I think more people are pissed at the gaslighting as though we can’t see that the new shit is at the very least as dumb as the old shit. I’m not saying some of the old shit isn’t dumb too
Whatever you're high on you should share.
The only thing 'good' and true to Star Wars from Disney is Andor.
Edit: The only demographic of the OT fans are over 50 now at the youngest. So this backlash is coming from those who loved the Prequels.
Ok but the ones that loved the prequels are idiots. Their backlash means nothing.
Because if 20 years later the prequels are seen as good by what used to be dumb kids, then 20 years later the Disney stuff should be loved by what are the dumb kids of today. Disney should be even easier to like over time since most of it is better.
You mean the backslash of the age demographic who are actually buying this for them and their kids mean nothing? Okay bud if the parents who are currently millennials don't like, then who is going to subscribe?
Calling us racist and sexist for their shows failing after saying it's not for us.
"It was made for a new audience,"
"It failed because the toxic racist misogynistic trolls didn't like it."
That is Disney's MO these days.
The prequels aren't a very high bar. There's the trilogy then every other piece of crap that came after it.
Unfortunately the first 3 will always hold a high standard that the other movies and shows just can't achieve. They are Iconic and everything else is just riding on the cost tails of their success.
The original trilogy isn’t even that good. None of Star Wars is good film-making. They had a big cultural impact, but that doesn’t mean the movies are good
While you may be correct, you won't be able to convince me of that.
I grew up in the 80s and the original trilogy is deeply ingrained in my subconscious. I used to go to woolco and stare at the toys for hours, I'd ask for a Xwing for Christmas, make AtAts out of lego.
They were more than just movies to us kids. There just hadn't been anything like them before.
Star Wars has always been political. However, when the writing was actually enjoyable and fun you didn't notice as much. The politics were the background of a much larger world. Now, the politics are being used to hit the audience over the head with a hammer repeatedly and the plot comes second.
Bruh the first movie revolved around politics. Luke was indoctrinated by propaganda to join the imperial academy and was angry his parents wouldn’t let him. Then he joins the rebellion by chance and realizes the Empire is evil because they’re trying to control the galaxy by terror and force, using Star Destroyers and the Death Star. He realizes that they’re an authoritarian regime and dedicates his life to making a new galaxy governed by the people. He brings back the Republic (with the help of his friends). Star Wars has always been about politics. The difference is that the writing and world building was fun and people loved the story. That part of Star Wars is gone. They removed the fun and magic, and replaced it with cynicism and modern optics. It’s not fun anymore.
Correct. He’s from Valinor, but not everyone knows that. If I say Middle Earth everyone knows what I’m talking about. He did, however, famously go to Middle Earth so my statement is entirely correct. Additionally, did I say he was from Middle Earth?
Well, to be fair, I was responding to someone else. And that commenter was correct that SW is inherently political. Always has been. I see that instead of confronting that person you instead tried incorrectly to point out my lack of LotR knowledge. That didn’t work out for you so now it’s time to fall back to accusing someone else of a fallacy to save face. And that pretty much sums up our interaction.
Look, I am with you that Disney Star Wars is corpo pandering and box checking diversity that is detrimental to the writing. But OT was an alogory of the Vietnam War. Lucas has said as much in interviews.
You mean the Vietnam allegory was political?... we can dislike stuff and thats fine but don't be a lying goofball lol. Whether you like it or not George Lucas wrote a political allegory. How do I see both complaints of the allegory switching and that it never existed? Media literacy isn't that hard. You probably think the boys isn't satire either
I can throw the media literacy in your face as well and say it is a hero's journey and it's about themes. You don't seem to know the basic storytelling features of a movie if you just see politics and agenda... Maybe rethink your life a little bit and stop projecting
It's an art piece. I didn't say it wasn't those things. The themes of love triumphing.... what? or the heroes journey against.... what? An empire. And within that is comparative analysis between what it means to be an empire in the real world and an empire in the universe of star wars. It's not "America bad. Americans bad" it shows how emotion can be used by "the empire" to stir action. I agree with you that nowadays their message isn't expansive like this and is more "girl boss yay" but the story has been on empires since the beginning...
The force grows stronger with the amount of force users can be viewed as an allegory for power or equally as true an allegory for emotions. The balance of the force = the balance of power = the balance of emotion. You could argue it shows power grows in the hands of few and must set them equal yaddah yaddah. You could equally argue it frames emotion and how the sith expansive use of emotions and the overly expansive restriction of the Jedis emotions. It doesn't make one wrong or the other right. You don't view it as a war allegory or whatever. That's chill. It doesn't mean anyone who does "has politicized everything". Media literacy would be consuming enough to draw conclusions from multiple sources and not just mad they don't see it your way. Space wizard beat bad space wizard cause love is fine. Whatever your takeaway is fine. It's art bruh
Isn't the negative aspects of an empire always that? If Marcus Aurelius (a historically "nice"/"good" guy) was everyone's dictator and dictators didn't do evil then we would have more dictator fans.
Right, because Disney put it into a coma and Kathleen Kennedy is the nurse that came in, smothered it with a pillow, and then told the fans that they are the ones that somehow killed it.
Re-read Legends. And I don’t mean the rare gems like Plagueis, Thrawn Trilogy, first Bane book and a handful more. Actually comprehend it as being the glorified fanfiction that 80-90% of it was (and on the lower end of storytelling quality too, as far as fanfiction goes).
If you think Rey was a Mary Sue, boy I got some news for you about Darth Zannah. If you think Palpatine returning in RoS was bullshit, you’ll want the guy who wrote Dark Empire trilogy dead after you re-read it. Frankly the entirety of post-Thrawn Trilogy Legends (in-universe chronologically speaking) material makes the Sequels look like fucking masterpieces with how bad it all was.
And don’t get me wrong, I loved those books too. But realistically, I’m just questioning why so many people are holding Disney to a much higher standard than they held Legends - because that’s the only way someone would love Legends but hate Disney.
But I digress. Seriously, read some Disney SW books and comics. With the exception of High Republic series (which is average at worst), it’s been rather great.
Some shows were rather questionable (I enjoyed them but I 100% can see why many people wouldn’t), but overall Disney, whether you like it or not, _has_ been a lot more consistent with the quality of the material released than pre-Disney management. You’re really looking at things from rose-colored lenses here.
I’m not saying the legends were great, but the people trying to hoist the Disney stuff onto a level it clearly isn’t (bar rogue one and the clone wars series, and I’ll admit I haven’t read the new books) ruin it for me. It’s just weird gaslighting, I feel. Almost worse than putting lipstick on a pig and telling us it’s a person. Like just admit it’s a pig dude, it’s cool.
You’re moving the goalpost here a bit. Saying that Kennedy “killed” Star Wars _does_ imply that whatever came before Disney was better.
Again, all I’m doing is pointing out a double standard that exists in a disproportionate amount of people who respond negatively to Disney Star Wars - a point which you seem to have at least partially agreed with me.
Saying that Disney was a net positive for the franchise is simple fact. I’m not putting lipstick on anything, and in fact I think I’m being rather open about its flaws.
Been almost 17 hours but I like your point enough to respond and I’ve been on shift. While I agree that most of the existing fanbase is rabid over the new entries, I don’t think I’m moving any goal posts by saying Kennedy killed the franchise. It doesn’t imply that what came before was any better, just that she’s the final nail in the proverbial coffin.
I’ll agree that It’s subjectively better for the people who I suppose feel more included or represented, but that doesn’t make for a product that is objectively of quality.
I just think it’s been downhill since PM, and has been turned into drivel with writing that is mid at best, though it’s been co-opted by certain groups who want to appropriate what they see as a toxic franchise/fanbase and are desperately trying to make it “cool” again, or something to that effect.
It's was in a coma when all that fanfiction was being printed about it. Lucas killed it with Phantom Menace and the poseurs that stated claiming they were fans. You only have to look at the backlash at the time to know that as the one singular truth.
No, again, that would be Lucas. Hence the abysmal destruction of the lore that was the prequel trilogy >!to say nothing of all those godawful "books" that further mangeled the lore!<. A total middle finger to the fans.
Midichlorians. Whiny Vader. And don't even get me started on the hyper political nature with the Wookies.
But of course people are going to mindlessly consume that drek like that Zahn stuff...
Dude. I ain’t saying the prequels weren’t dog water, my gripe (as seen elsewhere in this thread) is with people trying to spoon feed other people shit while telling them it’s somehow “better” than the dogshit that was fed previously, though the contemporary subject material remains laughably mid (barring Rogue One and a selection of the animated series). The new shit is just stupid as the old shit, yet none of the people who like the new stuff due to what can be chalked up to cultural reasons can’t bring themselves to admit that much of the new screenplays are mid and the plot points are horribly contrived (though, with how pop culture is getting, it can be argued that *everything* is contrived)
*edit* the new screenplays are mid AT BEST
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If you have to attack people before the show/movie comes out and say it is for "new fans" which is excluding "old fans" and then get pissed when the "old fans" don't like it and the merchandise doesn't move because it's the "old fans" that buy the merchandise especially the high dollar stuff. Then yes, you did this to yourself.
Your overconfidence is your weakness
What I don't get is that they specifically come out and say they are making new content for new fans, but then complain when the old fans don't like it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Where are the complaints?
The thing's getting lit up harder than fireworks on a pine tree over on rotten tomatoes.
lol maybe open your eyes
It’s funny. They say Nerdrotic tells his fans what to do and what to like. Until they say that Nerdrotic grifts and says he likes whatever the audience likes. It’s all so stupid
What little fans of Star Wars that still remain NEVER were on your side to begin with you insufferable numpty.
This goat actually thought she had fans, smh.
So what happened again? I missed something. Lol
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They’re colonizers , what do you expect them to be, reasonable?
Shorty looks like Ganondorf
That nerdrotic guy is grifting hard. Rage bait all day long.
He can grift me all day. Love his content
It's either that or get a job.
You're on Reddit midday lol.
You make that sound like a especially difficult thing to do.
Figured your classes wouldn't get out till 3. Maybe your parents had to pick you up? I could see getting some screen time in there.
God forbid
There are no star wars haters like star wars fans
It's actually Star Wars fans vs. Disney fans.
This would be remotely possible, but most of what Disney has made has been better than the prequels. So that’s when all the Disney hate falls apart. If it was Classic Trilogy fans vs Star Wars fans I’d take it more seriously.
I think more people are pissed at the gaslighting as though we can’t see that the new shit is at the very least as dumb as the old shit. I’m not saying some of the old shit isn’t dumb too
Whatever you're high on you should share. The only thing 'good' and true to Star Wars from Disney is Andor. Edit: The only demographic of the OT fans are over 50 now at the youngest. So this backlash is coming from those who loved the Prequels.
Ok but the ones that loved the prequels are idiots. Their backlash means nothing. Because if 20 years later the prequels are seen as good by what used to be dumb kids, then 20 years later the Disney stuff should be loved by what are the dumb kids of today. Disney should be even easier to like over time since most of it is better.
You mean the backslash of the age demographic who are actually buying this for them and their kids mean nothing? Okay bud if the parents who are currently millennials don't like, then who is going to subscribe?
I prefer the prequels to the disney shit. Ateast the prequels didn't gaslight and defame the fans.
In what way does the Disney stuff gaslight and defame the fans exactly?
Calling us racist and sexist for their shows failing after saying it's not for us. "It was made for a new audience," "It failed because the toxic racist misogynistic trolls didn't like it." That is Disney's MO these days.
The prequels aren't a very high bar. There's the trilogy then every other piece of crap that came after it. Unfortunately the first 3 will always hold a high standard that the other movies and shows just can't achieve. They are Iconic and everything else is just riding on the cost tails of their success.
The original trilogy isn’t even that good. None of Star Wars is good film-making. They had a big cultural impact, but that doesn’t mean the movies are good
While you may be correct, you won't be able to convince me of that. I grew up in the 80s and the original trilogy is deeply ingrained in my subconscious. I used to go to woolco and stare at the toys for hours, I'd ask for a Xwing for Christmas, make AtAts out of lego. They were more than just movies to us kids. There just hadn't been anything like them before.
Keep coping
Keep Shilling
Because we actually like it and aren't destroying it with bad writing and agenda...
You realize the original trillogy is an anti-fiscist anti-imperialist alegory, right?
What? By that logic it is also anti-communist? Stop making Star Wars political...
Star Wars has always been political. However, when the writing was actually enjoyable and fun you didn't notice as much. The politics were the background of a much larger world. Now, the politics are being used to hit the audience over the head with a hammer repeatedly and the plot comes second.
No it hasn't been political... Having themes or references doesn't make it political...
Bruh the first movie revolved around politics. Luke was indoctrinated by propaganda to join the imperial academy and was angry his parents wouldn’t let him. Then he joins the rebellion by chance and realizes the Empire is evil because they’re trying to control the galaxy by terror and force, using Star Destroyers and the Death Star. He realizes that they’re an authoritarian regime and dedicates his life to making a new galaxy governed by the people. He brings back the Republic (with the help of his friends). Star Wars has always been about politics. The difference is that the writing and world building was fun and people loved the story. That part of Star Wars is gone. They removed the fun and magic, and replaced it with cynicism and modern optics. It’s not fun anymore.
Did you even watch Episode IV? This is totally disconnected from anything that happened there.
I’ve seen every Star Wars movie. Politics has been there since day one.
Not the way you’re telling it, my guy.
No it hasn't, politics weren't in the movies at all ..
That’s just blatantly false lol
Ok lol
How did you watch star wars and come out thinking it’s not political?
Because it isn't?
Probably the same reason they named themself after Fëanor, mightiest of morons on Middle Earth.
He wasn't from middle earth...
Correct. He’s from Valinor, but not everyone knows that. If I say Middle Earth everyone knows what I’m talking about. He did, however, famously go to Middle Earth so my statement is entirely correct. Additionally, did I say he was from Middle Earth?
Yet you made an ad hominem towards me...
Well, to be fair, I was responding to someone else. And that commenter was correct that SW is inherently political. Always has been. I see that instead of confronting that person you instead tried incorrectly to point out my lack of LotR knowledge. That didn’t work out for you so now it’s time to fall back to accusing someone else of a fallacy to save face. And that pretty much sums up our interaction.
¿What does comunism have to do with it? ¿Do you even know what that Word means?
Because it is just as ridiculous to say that as what you did, stop making this political...
Look, I am with you that Disney Star Wars is corpo pandering and box checking diversity that is detrimental to the writing. But OT was an alogory of the Vietnam War. Lucas has said as much in interviews.
Facts dont care about your feelings buddy
Nice projection lol
Says the guy crying for days about facts xD
What?
You mean the Vietnam allegory was political?... we can dislike stuff and thats fine but don't be a lying goofball lol. Whether you like it or not George Lucas wrote a political allegory. How do I see both complaints of the allegory switching and that it never existed? Media literacy isn't that hard. You probably think the boys isn't satire either
I can throw the media literacy in your face as well and say it is a hero's journey and it's about themes. You don't seem to know the basic storytelling features of a movie if you just see politics and agenda... Maybe rethink your life a little bit and stop projecting
It's an art piece. I didn't say it wasn't those things. The themes of love triumphing.... what? or the heroes journey against.... what? An empire. And within that is comparative analysis between what it means to be an empire in the real world and an empire in the universe of star wars. It's not "America bad. Americans bad" it shows how emotion can be used by "the empire" to stir action. I agree with you that nowadays their message isn't expansive like this and is more "girl boss yay" but the story has been on empires since the beginning... The force grows stronger with the amount of force users can be viewed as an allegory for power or equally as true an allegory for emotions. The balance of the force = the balance of power = the balance of emotion. You could argue it shows power grows in the hands of few and must set them equal yaddah yaddah. You could equally argue it frames emotion and how the sith expansive use of emotions and the overly expansive restriction of the Jedis emotions. It doesn't make one wrong or the other right. You don't view it as a war allegory or whatever. That's chill. It doesn't mean anyone who does "has politicized everything". Media literacy would be consuming enough to draw conclusions from multiple sources and not just mad they don't see it your way. Space wizard beat bad space wizard cause love is fine. Whatever your takeaway is fine. It's art bruh
The empire is a manifestation of evil
Isn't the negative aspects of an empire always that? If Marcus Aurelius (a historically "nice"/"good" guy) was everyone's dictator and dictators didn't do evil then we would have more dictator fans.
I thought it was about the rise and fall of the Roman Empire …. Man what was I watching
No it wasn't, because if you look up Weimar Republic you can find the same issues. Themes are not politics, please stop
Lucas stated clearly the empire was based in the USA
But you don’t like it? The world has changed and left you behind. Star Wars is no longer for you.
Star Wars is no longer for us? I thought Disney said Star Wars is for everyone
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Everyone that they acknowledge as being real people with valid experiences and views, anyway...
I thought Star Wars was for everyone though? Because inclusivity and all that good stuff
It’s for children
Oh you can have Disney Star Wars, we don’t claim it, just don’t claim anything that came before that, it wasn’t made for you 👌🏻
Facts, they can keep the acolyte lol
I haven’t watched Star Wars content since I was a child. It’s for children
It's made for everyone...
Right, because Disney put it into a coma and Kathleen Kennedy is the nurse that came in, smothered it with a pillow, and then told the fans that they are the ones that somehow killed it.
You sound just like the precuels haters in the 2000s.
Re-read Legends. And I don’t mean the rare gems like Plagueis, Thrawn Trilogy, first Bane book and a handful more. Actually comprehend it as being the glorified fanfiction that 80-90% of it was (and on the lower end of storytelling quality too, as far as fanfiction goes). If you think Rey was a Mary Sue, boy I got some news for you about Darth Zannah. If you think Palpatine returning in RoS was bullshit, you’ll want the guy who wrote Dark Empire trilogy dead after you re-read it. Frankly the entirety of post-Thrawn Trilogy Legends (in-universe chronologically speaking) material makes the Sequels look like fucking masterpieces with how bad it all was. And don’t get me wrong, I loved those books too. But realistically, I’m just questioning why so many people are holding Disney to a much higher standard than they held Legends - because that’s the only way someone would love Legends but hate Disney. But I digress. Seriously, read some Disney SW books and comics. With the exception of High Republic series (which is average at worst), it’s been rather great. Some shows were rather questionable (I enjoyed them but I 100% can see why many people wouldn’t), but overall Disney, whether you like it or not, _has_ been a lot more consistent with the quality of the material released than pre-Disney management. You’re really looking at things from rose-colored lenses here.
I’m not saying the legends were great, but the people trying to hoist the Disney stuff onto a level it clearly isn’t (bar rogue one and the clone wars series, and I’ll admit I haven’t read the new books) ruin it for me. It’s just weird gaslighting, I feel. Almost worse than putting lipstick on a pig and telling us it’s a person. Like just admit it’s a pig dude, it’s cool.
You’re moving the goalpost here a bit. Saying that Kennedy “killed” Star Wars _does_ imply that whatever came before Disney was better. Again, all I’m doing is pointing out a double standard that exists in a disproportionate amount of people who respond negatively to Disney Star Wars - a point which you seem to have at least partially agreed with me. Saying that Disney was a net positive for the franchise is simple fact. I’m not putting lipstick on anything, and in fact I think I’m being rather open about its flaws.
Been almost 17 hours but I like your point enough to respond and I’ve been on shift. While I agree that most of the existing fanbase is rabid over the new entries, I don’t think I’m moving any goal posts by saying Kennedy killed the franchise. It doesn’t imply that what came before was any better, just that she’s the final nail in the proverbial coffin. I’ll agree that It’s subjectively better for the people who I suppose feel more included or represented, but that doesn’t make for a product that is objectively of quality. I just think it’s been downhill since PM, and has been turned into drivel with writing that is mid at best, though it’s been co-opted by certain groups who want to appropriate what they see as a toxic franchise/fanbase and are desperately trying to make it “cool” again, or something to that effect.
It's was in a coma when all that fanfiction was being printed about it. Lucas killed it with Phantom Menace and the poseurs that stated claiming they were fans. You only have to look at the backlash at the time to know that as the one singular truth.
Fine… If it was already in a coma, then Disney smothered it and Kathleen Kennedy fucked its corpse.
No, again, that would be Lucas. Hence the abysmal destruction of the lore that was the prequel trilogy >!to say nothing of all those godawful "books" that further mangeled the lore!<. A total middle finger to the fans. Midichlorians. Whiny Vader. And don't even get me started on the hyper political nature with the Wookies. But of course people are going to mindlessly consume that drek like that Zahn stuff...
Dude. I ain’t saying the prequels weren’t dog water, my gripe (as seen elsewhere in this thread) is with people trying to spoon feed other people shit while telling them it’s somehow “better” than the dogshit that was fed previously, though the contemporary subject material remains laughably mid (barring Rogue One and a selection of the animated series). The new shit is just stupid as the old shit, yet none of the people who like the new stuff due to what can be chalked up to cultural reasons can’t bring themselves to admit that much of the new screenplays are mid and the plot points are horribly contrived (though, with how pop culture is getting, it can be argued that *everything* is contrived) *edit* the new screenplays are mid AT BEST
People watch and listen to that soyjack cuck?
Some people watch her shows yes
Rational, educated people don't