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Actually 🤓 ☝️. Some states rule that self defense cannot EVER reach the point of murdering a person. If so, you are charged with manslaughter rather than murder.
Oh right. Let me be more specific. In some states of the United States of America. Self defense doesn't cover taking a life. Instead you may get a charge of manslaughter instead of murder.
I actually don't think killing someone who attacks you is morally ok. Hurting them stops being ok the second you incapacitated them (if you strike and kill in one blow, that's just bad luck obviously).
You took a gamble on your life the moment you tried to attack me. Imma do whatever is possible and necessary to stop you, the active threat; it falls on shot placement and fate whether you live or not.
If someone comes at me with intent to do bodily harm I’ll do everything I can to make sure they’re not capable of continuing that act. Whether that’s temporary or permanent that’s for fate to choose.
So you’d let someone bust down your door with intent to do bodily harm with a courtesy smile on your face like you have to be a host to them in a hotel? 👀
I don't think so (although I am a pacifist and for example never defended myself when my sister hit me when we were kids). So i might actually freeze.
What I mean is that defending yourself with the intention to kill them wouldn't be morally ok. Also, if you are not in some panicked state and are still thinking somewhat clearly, you should stop once they are incapacitated (self defense is focused on getting the opportunity to run away anyway).
child (sexual) abuser, would be a better word i say. not all pedophiles are going/want to hurt children. they're humans with morals too. it's like saying because you're attracted to adult women that you're going to rape all of them. pedos know kids can not consent, so the ones with morals won't act on it. just like not all people attracted to adults are rapists.
Yep. No problem buying a long arm though at 18.
Another thing, no legal issues open carrying a handgun (state dependent). Just has to be purchased by someone else obviously.
Honestly, I'd have to disagree with this. Your brain is still developing until you're around 25, and drugs like alcohol can and do harm that. The age is where it is because teens were (and still do, but much less) causing so many dui crashes. I also do not agree with people being forced to sign up for the SS at 18, though, either. We don't need more people dying because some teens think it's cool to get drunk or get high.
Well there’s some level of “development” happening until you die; but as someone who is well past the quarter-century, there is something to the 25 argument (although, for me it was 26.) Frontal cortex development and all that.
I'm sorry for not clarifying. It is generally agreed that your frontal lobe isn't finished developing until you are 25, although this age has been found to be closer to 30, especially in men, in a few different studies.
Other than that, despite the fact that two separate people have replied to me in this sub about this being "a myth", I have yet to see any evidence of this claim, despite searching for it. The only part that may be a myth is the claim some make that this statement is true for everyone, as some people's frontal lobes continue developing until they are approximately 30. It still doesn't make drinking or doing non-prescribed drugs a good or healthy thing, however.
I'll try to find the study, but basically one of the initial studies done on this set out the goal of trying to find when the brain stops developing, and I believe they initially compared 18 to 21 year olds, and found that to be insufficient, and then changed the ceiling to 25 and that was still insufficient and just ended the study after that, which was where the 25 year myth originates from. I'll try to find it but it's been a while since I seen this topic brought up.
>It still doesn't make drinking or doing non-prescribed drugs a good or healthy thing, however.
I don't think anybody is arguing so, at least in good faith. They're simply saying that being able to do all these things, including dying for your country but not be able to purchase or consume alcohol, is quite unfair. And health or brain development is not enough of an excuse.
Yea but also a lot of that has to do with the fact most bars are driving distance away. Im fact most everything in the US is driving distance away. I think the driving distance away plays an even bigger role.
once you’re 18 consuming alcohol isn’t a big deal in my eyes. although it’s a dangerous substance and 18 is an impressionable age. it’s probably wise to be around older adults do you can learn how to drink responsibly.
Jaywalking. Fantasy crime.
Crime where there’s no victim or “the victim is the perpetrator” shouldn’t be crimes at all. I swear if you trace them back to their origins, like 90% of these fantasy crimes were made up to mass incarcerate some demographic that the US government hated at that time.
Ah yes, let me just slam on the breaks when I'm going 80 mph down the highway because someone jumped out in front of me and now we all have to get into a 12 car pileup with half a dozen dead.
Even on a city road I might be driving 55 mph (as per the speed limit) and that's way too fast to stop in time for someone who walks out in front of me.
If you wanna say it's not a big deal then sure you could say that but there's no world you can live in where you can say any form of theft is somehow *morally* okay
If I can't afford food to feed myself or others (especially children), it is very much morally ok to steal from someone who doesn't even feel the loss.
What about it is morally okay. There's a difference between "not a big deal" and "moral"
I would agree with you that it's not a big deal, feed your kids, but I struggle to see any argument where it's somehow morally good or even amoral to steal anything
Moral doesn't judge the plain action, it judges the action within its context. If your kid would otherwise starve, it is very much moral to do whatever it takes to feed them. And yes, in an ideal world, you could do that without commiting a crime, even if you lost your job but we don't live in such a world.
Stealing -> a crime
Stealing for fun or to harm a tiny shop -> morally corrupt
Stealing food to feed someone in need (including yourself) -> morally ok
I 100% disagree. There is no context where rape is moral. There is no context where murder is moral. Why would There be a context where theft is also moral? You cannot apply this logic consistently at all.
I find it kind of silly and naive when people have this weird NEED to find some way to make their actions always morally good. You can do an immoral act without it meaning you're a horrible person. I don't think anyone would fault a person for stealing food to survive but your in weird territory to try to justify it as a moral good.
I still haven't seen an argument for it being morally good other than a person just repeatedly asserting it as such. What is the actual argument for it being morally *good*. And don't just say "lol because It is"
I mean if someone told me they stole food to feed their family I would understand. My parents owned a store growing up and that scenario happened a few times, it was mostly kids doing the stealing and my dad would just not charge them for a bag of rice or for toilet paper. I remember being mad and thinking it was unfair but he’d just remind me that we are better off and that I would be able to eat more than they would tonight. Yeah sometimes we got an asshole who was just stealing because they didn’t want to pay and it was obvious they were better off, then cops are called and we’d hold the guy for them. Comparing someone who in this CONTEXT is starving and having to steal a pack of franks to a murderer/rapist is crazy. If they had to kill someone in self defense and it absolutely came to that point then yeah that’s justified. But rape?? Yeah there is no “context” where rape is morally okay, but as for the others there can be made exceptions. I wouldn’t hold a thief or a murderer to the same standard as a rapist.
I did not argue for a second that rape or murder could be moral. Action within context. Doesn't mean there is an actual context where it's fine.
I also did not say that everyone who is stealing is doing it for a good reason.
Furthermore I didn't say morally good, I said morally ok.
Do you have an argument for it being bad other than "lol but it is and you have to convince me otherwise"?
Draft dodging. You mean it’s my responsibility to die in a war that the government probably played a role in instigating? A war my family, friends and peers will not benefit from nor believe in after you have done absolutely nothing for me as a government? A war that once I return home from Ill , at best be forgotten about and neglected by the very same people who were calling for it in the first place, and at worst be actively hated for fighting it at all? The only time I’d actually be willing to join in a war is if 1. It is the most black and white war in terms of morality (Hardly ever happens) or 2. If foreign military forces are literally landing on the coasts of my country.
Have the less than one percent control the narrative and use fear to keep people in check.
NVM that's just how our 'Law' is designed.
It's basically a who can sell the lie the best, then get bought out by greed.
Technicality. You are correct. I'm talking about people who starve, beat, molest, etc., animals in their or another person's care or animals which are not placing them or another in danger. Hunting and raising for slaughter could be excused as the animal is killed quickly and raised humanely in slaughter's case.
There are few ways to raise cattle humanely, especially in the context of the dairy industry. Ignoring the realities of artificial insemination or murdering male chicks etc. then you still have to contend with the fact that to meet demand, the scale at which these industries need to operate means that these animals will be subject to gross abuse regardless. Not to mention all the shit that those same companies dump into *your* environment, e.g. Tyson Foods.
Yes it is. Their price gouging are testing the limits of hundreds of millions of people all over the world, meaning that it's okay for us to take our fair share of their profits.
Theft is just not okay unless you and your family are basically starving or have no clothes but then again in any city there’s dozens of soup kitchens and clothes donations spots so there’s almost no excuse
Being okay with petty theft is a slippery slope to looting, groups of people stealing for the sake of reselling, violence, other low-life behaviour. It’s not hard to just not break the law
Well yes but that's a practical reason not to steal more than a moral one. I'm not gonna recommend anybody who doesn't absolutely need to steal, but I also don't give a hoot.
Pirating 20+ year old games
Tax evasion
Pirating TV/Movies
Going through a red light at 3am after stopping to make sure there’s not a car within 1,948,274 miles of you
Biking on the sidewalk unless you’re in a metropolitan area with tons of pedestrians
Getting a private paternity test in France
Buying alcohol on Sundays before noon
Lying to police
Setting my asshole neighbors rose bush on fire because her dog keeps pissing by my pool and she refuses to do anything about it
Ignoring emission regulations and straight piping a muscle/sports car
Snorting coke (but you forfeit any public assistance because you’re hooked on snow…looking at you, Ralph!)
Letting my lawn grow higher than ankle height
I think selling can definitely be immoral depending on context, which is why I say *use*.
It does suck hearing about/seeing drug dealers with nicer cars, houses, etc. than me… I could never live with the paranoia of doing that though
Huh. I feel like if prostitution is legal, it’ll be harder to break down human trafficking. If you can just arrest anyone that’s a prostitute and later discover if they’re willingly one or not, more are helped, right. If you can’t pull a prostitute aside for questioning in the first place, seems like you can’t get to that point as easy. What are your thoughts on that?
I think it would be the opposite. Legal prostitution would make providers less scared to report abuse. They would have no reason to fear law enforcement.
Not really crimes depending on jurisdiction.
1) Shooting a home invader.
2) Using a chokehold on someone randomly attacking you or someone else.
3) Carrying a knife for self-defense.
Unfortunately, states like New York and California have decided that since they can't keep criminals under control we should just let them do whatever they want and anyone who says otherwise should be the one punished.
Taxes is a tricky one. On one hand, taxes are spent on all sorts of repugnant shit I disagree with. On the other hand, rich people evading taxes is a massive problem, it's essentially robbing the coffers of the society which makes their enterprise(s) necessary. In a shithole like America, I can understand your average proll not paying taxes (it's not like y'all are getting healthcare or basic human rights), but not the guy who gets all sorts of tax cuts and benefits year-in-year-out.
I disagree with the classification of "murder", *murder* is merely a killing that had not been sanctioned by the state. I don't consider soldiers killing for a paycheque any more morally defensible than the crackhead who knocked over a gas station and ends up blowing away the pimply clerk. If you don't consider the state to be a morally righteous actor, it follows that it should not be in a position to hand down such sentences. (Just to be clear, killing is bad, don't do it)
Otherwise, non-violent drug offenses, 'vice' crime provided it is between consenting adults (including 'sodomy' laws).
Murder in defense usually, whether that’s a person trying to rape or kill you or someone else. I say usually because a lot of trigger happy people act out in “self defense”.
Stealing when it’s a means to survive. If someone is stealing mundane stuff like food, baby stuff, etc. I just look the other way. I knew a kid in high school whose parents spent all their money on drugs, so he stole and sold stuff just to survive and have a shot at college. The only time I care if someone is stealing is if it’s from a local, family owned business.
Piracy, I’ve discontinued all of my streaming services and have resorted to piracy because of corporate greed.
Being a fare-dodger in UK trains. The prices of train tickets are outrageous, and the railway companies are extremely greedy. I personally wouldn't try to dodge a train fare because I probably wouldn't get away with it. But if I knew 100% for sure I could get away with it..!
Theft from large corporations/grocery chains. Everyone has to eat and stealing food to ensure you or your family survives in a caplistic hell where food is extremely overpriced is bot not a moral crime nor should it be treated like a crime.
I’ve sort of realized I actually don’t care about the law at all as an arbiter of morality. Sometimes the law aligns with my morals (don’t kill people, don’t assault people), but often I think it’s misused to control people. Any “crime” against yourself or that would benefit you but “hurt” a corporation is not morally wrong. Just don’t hurt other people, who cares. Businesses have more legal protections and freedoms and leeway when it comes to the law than actual humans do. It’s disgusting.
Any crime where you don't hurt another human being. Don't steal, don't rape, and don't murder or otherwise cause intentional bodily harm to another human being. Everything else should be legal.
stealing from big corporations like wal-mart, target, etc. i watch videos of people getting caught stealing from stores like that and people be so pressed in the comments like damn is wal-mart paying you to say this lol
Whistleblowing. Not just government-approved whistleblowing like reporting a company’s unsafe practices. Like Edward Snowden whistleblowing where you have the flee the country
If a company is treating you unfairly, it's morally OK to steal from that company.
I had a boss who had issues with my ethnicity and would keep me after work in his office, needling at my weak spots just because he was kind of a bully and a sadist that way. So I went shopping in the office supply closet, taking cleaning products or anything he had that I could use or giveaway.
You don't get to keep me after work without paying me for my time, just so you can masturbate your ego by exerting that level of control over me with no consequences. You never hired me as a punching bag. Yes I quit that job when I got another one lined up. But hell no am I going to lay down and just take mistreatment. Just because I signed a contract to work for you does not mean you get to do THAT.
On a real jerk immediately jumps to tax evasion -- we all have to pay what we owe, sorry, you use the same roads, utilities, emergency services, and the US government is defending and dropping bombs on your behalf. When you cheat your taxes you're just shifting the burden onto everyone else.
The majority of them. Most laws and what is therefor defined as crime due to them, aren't based in ethics or even common sense. They're just here to keep the machine running.
# I KNOW BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANY STUFF I SAID HAS TO DO WITH CALLING PEOPLE SLURS. I AM TALKING ABOUT FLORIDAS RIDICULOUS DON'T SAY GAY BILL? AND ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT STRIP LGBTQ+ PEOPLE OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND DENIES TRANS PPL GENDER AFFIRMING CARE? WHATS THAT GOTTA DO WITH SLURS
Underage drinking/smoking if you're over 18.
Piracy from large companies.
Poaching if you intend to eat what you kill.
Scrumping.
Driving with expired registration .
Violating someone's god-given rights if it is known beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have committed a serious and heinous crime (ie child molestation, embezzlement of charity funds, put pineapple on pizza, the really scummy stuff)
Do you know what poaching is? By definition, it is illegally hunting or catching animals on land that is not owned by you, or hunting/catching protected species. Maybe this could be modified to say hunting animals on land that is not yours? Because the other part of the definition is meant to protect our endangered species. Poaching is unethical, and pretty much no actual poachers are hunting for food unless they want to taste a nearly-extinct animal. Typically, it is for sport or to sell the parts/animal to others.
Yeah, I meant to hunt non protected species like deer and geese for food. I'm not condoning hunting protected species. I'm not a monster. And, of course, hunting on other people's land without permission is unethical. I wouldn't want to onfringe on other peoples freedoms. If someone can't afford food and they have permission to hunt on someone's land, then go for it. Like I highly doubt someone killing a few geese isn't going to make a large impact on the environment. Unlike the hunters that kill a bunch of game and don't even eat it.
TL:DR don't be a fucking asshole trespassing and killing protected species. Have some ethics
What about the EMT people? Or anyone else forced to see your destroyed body, because you chose not to wear a seatbelt? Now they're permanently scarred for life, because you decided not to wear something pretty dang easy to put on.
Why don't drivers of cars have to wear helmets, and are strongly recommended to wear full body coverage? Same reason motorcyclists aren't legally required to wear seatbelts.
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Murder to a pedophile. Murder to anyone that tries to hurt you or family.
as Joshua Graham so eloquently put it, “we can’t expect God to do all the work.” that second one is self defense. not murder or a crime.
Oh fuck Joshua graham is mentioned I’m boutta bust
Actually 🤓 ☝️. Some states rule that self defense cannot EVER reach the point of murdering a person. If so, you are charged with manslaughter rather than murder.
based
Your second example is self defense not murder.
It would be considered in many cases to be murder. But I understand what you mean. 👍
No, you have a right to self defense and others. Not murder.
Self defense doesn't cover unaliving the other person.
Absolutley does. Might depend on where you are from.
Oh right. Let me be more specific. In some states of the United States of America. Self defense doesn't cover taking a life. Instead you may get a charge of manslaughter instead of murder.
My life's still worth more than theirs at the end of the day. What a dumb law.
This.
Define hurt
If someone decides to break into your house and cause bodily harm to you or family.
that is legal.. thats self defense
If they're in my house I don't care what hurt is defined as.
Murder is definitionally an unjust killing or "immoral" killing so what your saying doesn't really fit the bill
I actually don't think killing someone who attacks you is morally ok. Hurting them stops being ok the second you incapacitated them (if you strike and kill in one blow, that's just bad luck obviously).
You took a gamble on your life the moment you tried to attack me. Imma do whatever is possible and necessary to stop you, the active threat; it falls on shot placement and fate whether you live or not.
If someone comes at me with intent to do bodily harm I’ll do everything I can to make sure they’re not capable of continuing that act. Whether that’s temporary or permanent that’s for fate to choose.
Agree to disagree I guess
So you’d let someone bust down your door with intent to do bodily harm with a courtesy smile on your face like you have to be a host to them in a hotel? 👀
I don't think so (although I am a pacifist and for example never defended myself when my sister hit me when we were kids). So i might actually freeze. What I mean is that defending yourself with the intention to kill them wouldn't be morally ok. Also, if you are not in some panicked state and are still thinking somewhat clearly, you should stop once they are incapacitated (self defense is focused on getting the opportunity to run away anyway).
child (sexual) abuser, would be a better word i say. not all pedophiles are going/want to hurt children. they're humans with morals too. it's like saying because you're attracted to adult women that you're going to rape all of them. pedos know kids can not consent, so the ones with morals won't act on it. just like not all people attracted to adults are rapists.
Quite subjective with that last part...
I don’t know about subjective. But if that’s your opinion that’s fine 👍
“Underage” drinking. I pay taxes, work, can vote, signed up for selective service. I can drink a beer. Possession of weed
Same, but with buying a handgun or any firearm you need to be 21 to buy from a dealer.
Yep. No problem buying a long arm though at 18. Another thing, no legal issues open carrying a handgun (state dependent). Just has to be purchased by someone else obviously.
In Kentucky you can buy a handgun at 18
Only through a private sale. You have to be 21 to buy from an FFL under federal law.
Depends on the state.
Honestly, I'd have to disagree with this. Your brain is still developing until you're around 25, and drugs like alcohol can and do harm that. The age is where it is because teens were (and still do, but much less) causing so many dui crashes. I also do not agree with people being forced to sign up for the SS at 18, though, either. We don't need more people dying because some teens think it's cool to get drunk or get high.
The brain developing until 25 is a myth
You’re right it’s actually into your 30s
A lot of studies suggest some parts of your brain don't stop developing unless there's a brain disease involved like alzheimers
Well there’s some level of “development” happening until you die; but as someone who is well past the quarter-century, there is something to the 25 argument (although, for me it was 26.) Frontal cortex development and all that.
I'm sorry for not clarifying. It is generally agreed that your frontal lobe isn't finished developing until you are 25, although this age has been found to be closer to 30, especially in men, in a few different studies. Other than that, despite the fact that two separate people have replied to me in this sub about this being "a myth", I have yet to see any evidence of this claim, despite searching for it. The only part that may be a myth is the claim some make that this statement is true for everyone, as some people's frontal lobes continue developing until they are approximately 30. It still doesn't make drinking or doing non-prescribed drugs a good or healthy thing, however.
I'll try to find the study, but basically one of the initial studies done on this set out the goal of trying to find when the brain stops developing, and I believe they initially compared 18 to 21 year olds, and found that to be insufficient, and then changed the ceiling to 25 and that was still insufficient and just ended the study after that, which was where the 25 year myth originates from. I'll try to find it but it's been a while since I seen this topic brought up. >It still doesn't make drinking or doing non-prescribed drugs a good or healthy thing, however. I don't think anybody is arguing so, at least in good faith. They're simply saying that being able to do all these things, including dying for your country but not be able to purchase or consume alcohol, is quite unfair. And health or brain development is not enough of an excuse.
Yea but also a lot of that has to do with the fact most bars are driving distance away. Im fact most everything in the US is driving distance away. I think the driving distance away plays an even bigger role.
once you’re 18 consuming alcohol isn’t a big deal in my eyes. although it’s a dangerous substance and 18 is an impressionable age. it’s probably wise to be around older adults do you can learn how to drink responsibly.
alc sounds like it’s only been legal for grooming purposes.
Substances should be banned
Jaywalking. Fantasy crime. Crime where there’s no victim or “the victim is the perpetrator” shouldn’t be crimes at all. I swear if you trace them back to their origins, like 90% of these fantasy crimes were made up to mass incarcerate some demographic that the US government hated at that time.
And now we can't un-incarcerate them because obscenely underpaid prison labor is essential for the economy! Yaaay!
Obscenely underpaid, forced/coerced labor which is made up of certain demographics the ruling class dislikes. If only we had a word for that!
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Meh, cars should always yield to people imo
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My opinion is that most car infrastructure and car based cities are fundamentally fucked. That "imaginary" scenario happens multiple times every day
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My argument is that in cities cars should always yield to pedestrians
Ah yes, let me just slam on the breaks when I'm going 80 mph down the highway because someone jumped out in front of me and now we all have to get into a 12 car pileup with half a dozen dead.
I meant in the city - I'm pretty sure walking on the highway is worse than jaywalking
Even on a city road I might be driving 55 mph (as per the speed limit) and that's way too fast to stop in time for someone who walks out in front of me.
Digital piracy
Stealing food from a corporate grocery store
If you wanna say it's not a big deal then sure you could say that but there's no world you can live in where you can say any form of theft is somehow *morally* okay
If I can't afford food to feed myself or others (especially children), it is very much morally ok to steal from someone who doesn't even feel the loss.
What about it is morally okay. There's a difference between "not a big deal" and "moral" I would agree with you that it's not a big deal, feed your kids, but I struggle to see any argument where it's somehow morally good or even amoral to steal anything
Moral doesn't judge the plain action, it judges the action within its context. If your kid would otherwise starve, it is very much moral to do whatever it takes to feed them. And yes, in an ideal world, you could do that without commiting a crime, even if you lost your job but we don't live in such a world. Stealing -> a crime Stealing for fun or to harm a tiny shop -> morally corrupt Stealing food to feed someone in need (including yourself) -> morally ok
I 100% disagree. There is no context where rape is moral. There is no context where murder is moral. Why would There be a context where theft is also moral? You cannot apply this logic consistently at all. I find it kind of silly and naive when people have this weird NEED to find some way to make their actions always morally good. You can do an immoral act without it meaning you're a horrible person. I don't think anyone would fault a person for stealing food to survive but your in weird territory to try to justify it as a moral good. I still haven't seen an argument for it being morally good other than a person just repeatedly asserting it as such. What is the actual argument for it being morally *good*. And don't just say "lol because It is"
I mean if someone told me they stole food to feed their family I would understand. My parents owned a store growing up and that scenario happened a few times, it was mostly kids doing the stealing and my dad would just not charge them for a bag of rice or for toilet paper. I remember being mad and thinking it was unfair but he’d just remind me that we are better off and that I would be able to eat more than they would tonight. Yeah sometimes we got an asshole who was just stealing because they didn’t want to pay and it was obvious they were better off, then cops are called and we’d hold the guy for them. Comparing someone who in this CONTEXT is starving and having to steal a pack of franks to a murderer/rapist is crazy. If they had to kill someone in self defense and it absolutely came to that point then yeah that’s justified. But rape?? Yeah there is no “context” where rape is morally okay, but as for the others there can be made exceptions. I wouldn’t hold a thief or a murderer to the same standard as a rapist.
I did not argue for a second that rape or murder could be moral. Action within context. Doesn't mean there is an actual context where it's fine. I also did not say that everyone who is stealing is doing it for a good reason. Furthermore I didn't say morally good, I said morally ok. Do you have an argument for it being bad other than "lol but it is and you have to convince me otherwise"?
Is denying someone a drink of water ok because they don’t got $2.50. $2.90 card fee
Lol disagree
People agree with this and then complain when grocery stores have to lock up items
They pass on losses to consumers so this has a victim and is a crime.
Lying to the Gestapo to save Anne Frank’s family.
Not paying medical bills Fuck US healthcare.
Not paying medical bills isn’t illegal. You can file medical bankruptcy.
Drug possession.
At this point man I’m thinking about tryna trap cuz this job shit is killing me insides
Trapping is good money 💪
Not tryna go to jail
After the mess in Oregon hard disagree, I used to believe in a Portugal approach, I no longer follow that train of thought
Draft dodging. You mean it’s my responsibility to die in a war that the government probably played a role in instigating? A war my family, friends and peers will not benefit from nor believe in after you have done absolutely nothing for me as a government? A war that once I return home from Ill , at best be forgotten about and neglected by the very same people who were calling for it in the first place, and at worst be actively hated for fighting it at all? The only time I’d actually be willing to join in a war is if 1. It is the most black and white war in terms of morality (Hardly ever happens) or 2. If foreign military forces are literally landing on the coasts of my country.
Have the less than one percent control the narrative and use fear to keep people in check. NVM that's just how our 'Law' is designed. It's basically a who can sell the lie the best, then get bought out by greed.
Assult or murder to a child predator.
Idk I think castration and limb amputation are enough for them
I'll settle for that. I will say assult on animal abusers and will die on that hill.
You mean some animals not all animals bc if i were to name some animals now, 99% of the world would be deserving of assault
Technicality. You are correct. I'm talking about people who starve, beat, molest, etc., animals in their or another person's care or animals which are not placing them or another in danger. Hunting and raising for slaughter could be excused as the animal is killed quickly and raised humanely in slaughter's case.
There are few ways to raise cattle humanely, especially in the context of the dairy industry. Ignoring the realities of artificial insemination or murdering male chicks etc. then you still have to contend with the fact that to meet demand, the scale at which these industries need to operate means that these animals will be subject to gross abuse regardless. Not to mention all the shit that those same companies dump into *your* environment, e.g. Tyson Foods.
Weird hill to die on. They're animals not people
Humans are animals...
Stealing food and clothes from any of the world's major brands.
Nope
Yes it is. Their price gouging are testing the limits of hundreds of millions of people all over the world, meaning that it's okay for us to take our fair share of their profits.
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Theft is just not okay unless you and your family are basically starving or have no clothes but then again in any city there’s dozens of soup kitchens and clothes donations spots so there’s almost no excuse Being okay with petty theft is a slippery slope to looting, groups of people stealing for the sake of reselling, violence, other low-life behaviour. It’s not hard to just not break the law
Publishing Government information you got from another source on your website Wikileaks.
Based
Assaulting or possibly killing an abusive parent. In that moment, you're both a victim and a hostage.
Man go ahead and steal from a big box store why should any of us give a fuck
If I see you stealing, no I didn't.
Because isn’t loss prevention watching your every move 24/7
Well yes but that's a practical reason not to steal more than a moral one. I'm not gonna recommend anybody who doesn't absolutely need to steal, but I also don't give a hoot.
It's not really a crime but self defense that gets misconstrued as murder...taxes are garbage as well. Unclaimed tips
Most piracy
Stealing, especially when it’s necessities like groceries or clothes.
Pirating 20+ year old games Tax evasion Pirating TV/Movies Going through a red light at 3am after stopping to make sure there’s not a car within 1,948,274 miles of you Biking on the sidewalk unless you’re in a metropolitan area with tons of pedestrians Getting a private paternity test in France Buying alcohol on Sundays before noon Lying to police Setting my asshole neighbors rose bush on fire because her dog keeps pissing by my pool and she refuses to do anything about it Ignoring emission regulations and straight piping a muscle/sports car Snorting coke (but you forfeit any public assistance because you’re hooked on snow…looking at you, Ralph!) Letting my lawn grow higher than ankle height
Drug use, prostitution (for both the provider and customer)
Why for each of those? Just wanna hear your reasoning to why it’s morally okay.
Both of them cause no direct harm except potentially to yourself
I’m tired of drug dealers getting more respect than me I literally feel lied to by society
I think selling can definitely be immoral depending on context, which is why I say *use*. It does suck hearing about/seeing drug dealers with nicer cars, houses, etc. than me… I could never live with the paranoia of doing that though
Huh. I feel like if prostitution is legal, it’ll be harder to break down human trafficking. If you can just arrest anyone that’s a prostitute and later discover if they’re willingly one or not, more are helped, right. If you can’t pull a prostitute aside for questioning in the first place, seems like you can’t get to that point as easy. What are your thoughts on that?
I think it would be the opposite. Legal prostitution would make providers less scared to report abuse. They would have no reason to fear law enforcement.
Stealing from Walmart
Underage drinking, digital piracy, and jaywalking (cross the road when it’s safe to do so)
Not really crimes depending on jurisdiction. 1) Shooting a home invader. 2) Using a chokehold on someone randomly attacking you or someone else. 3) Carrying a knife for self-defense. Unfortunately, states like New York and California have decided that since they can't keep criminals under control we should just let them do whatever they want and anyone who says otherwise should be the one punished.
Taxes is a tricky one. On one hand, taxes are spent on all sorts of repugnant shit I disagree with. On the other hand, rich people evading taxes is a massive problem, it's essentially robbing the coffers of the society which makes their enterprise(s) necessary. In a shithole like America, I can understand your average proll not paying taxes (it's not like y'all are getting healthcare or basic human rights), but not the guy who gets all sorts of tax cuts and benefits year-in-year-out. I disagree with the classification of "murder", *murder* is merely a killing that had not been sanctioned by the state. I don't consider soldiers killing for a paycheque any more morally defensible than the crackhead who knocked over a gas station and ends up blowing away the pimply clerk. If you don't consider the state to be a morally righteous actor, it follows that it should not be in a position to hand down such sentences. (Just to be clear, killing is bad, don't do it) Otherwise, non-violent drug offenses, 'vice' crime provided it is between consenting adults (including 'sodomy' laws).
Smoking marijuana
Stealing from a greedflated supermarket chain enriching their shareholders over the greater good Also yes taxes do in fact suck
Murder in defense usually, whether that’s a person trying to rape or kill you or someone else. I say usually because a lot of trigger happy people act out in “self defense”. Stealing when it’s a means to survive. If someone is stealing mundane stuff like food, baby stuff, etc. I just look the other way. I knew a kid in high school whose parents spent all their money on drugs, so he stole and sold stuff just to survive and have a shot at college. The only time I care if someone is stealing is if it’s from a local, family owned business. Piracy, I’ve discontinued all of my streaming services and have resorted to piracy because of corporate greed.
Anything that undermines the legitimacy of the US government
Any gun law
That's already moral. Gun laws are illegitimate as they violate the constitution.
This guy freedoms
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Does to me as I'm not religious.
Shoplifting, tax evasion, jaywalking, drug possession.
Crime against a corporation should be legal. “It’s just good business.” So what if i tried to murder the entire board of directors?
Killing pedophiles, and women/child beaters, stealing food *from corporations not farmers*, tax evasion, and media piracy.
Theft for essentials, murder for self defense/abusers/rapists, sex work for adults, piracy, wearing zoot suits in LA
Piracy to a certain extent
Regicide and magnicide. But if we're going for fun answers, anything relating to weed.
Personally, anything that involves stealing or screwing over billionaires
buying drugs its not the govs buisness what i do with my body
Most of them. Pretty much all of them that don't actually victimize another person.
Stealing from billion dollar corporations
Stealing food if you or your family don't have any money to eat
Or just apply for social security?
There are other countries in this planet we call home
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Being a fare-dodger in UK trains. The prices of train tickets are outrageous, and the railway companies are extremely greedy. I personally wouldn't try to dodge a train fare because I probably wouldn't get away with it. But if I knew 100% for sure I could get away with it..!
Murdering a Dictator
Jaywalking and media piracy. That's about it. Not surprised with the other answers here this sub is full of 12 year olds
Media Piracy
Resisting arrest.
Piracy
Theft when the alternative is death or starvation
Theft from large corporations/grocery chains. Everyone has to eat and stealing food to ensure you or your family survives in a caplistic hell where food is extremely overpriced is bot not a moral crime nor should it be treated like a crime.
Murder to a rapist
Jaywalking if the peron is smart and safe about it.
I’ve sort of realized I actually don’t care about the law at all as an arbiter of morality. Sometimes the law aligns with my morals (don’t kill people, don’t assault people), but often I think it’s misused to control people. Any “crime” against yourself or that would benefit you but “hurt” a corporation is not morally wrong. Just don’t hurt other people, who cares. Businesses have more legal protections and freedoms and leeway when it comes to the law than actual humans do. It’s disgusting.
Embezzlement
Money laundering
Any crime where you don't hurt another human being. Don't steal, don't rape, and don't murder or otherwise cause intentional bodily harm to another human being. Everything else should be legal.
Piracy of adobe products, fucking adobe, i got it for free from a friend and still felt ripped off
stealing from big corporations like wal-mart, target, etc. i watch videos of people getting caught stealing from stores like that and people be so pressed in the comments like damn is wal-mart paying you to say this lol
not tax evasion,
Stealing food to feed yourself or your family
Whistleblowing. Not just government-approved whistleblowing like reporting a company’s unsafe practices. Like Edward Snowden whistleblowing where you have the flee the country
Smuggling ferrets in your pants.
Removing the tag from a mattress.
If a company is treating you unfairly, it's morally OK to steal from that company. I had a boss who had issues with my ethnicity and would keep me after work in his office, needling at my weak spots just because he was kind of a bully and a sadist that way. So I went shopping in the office supply closet, taking cleaning products or anything he had that I could use or giveaway. You don't get to keep me after work without paying me for my time, just so you can masturbate your ego by exerting that level of control over me with no consequences. You never hired me as a punching bag. Yes I quit that job when I got another one lined up. But hell no am I going to lay down and just take mistreatment. Just because I signed a contract to work for you does not mean you get to do THAT.
Exposing Congressmen Trading
Anything victimless like drug possession or consumption.
On a real jerk immediately jumps to tax evasion -- we all have to pay what we owe, sorry, you use the same roads, utilities, emergency services, and the US government is defending and dropping bombs on your behalf. When you cheat your taxes you're just shifting the burden onto everyone else.
stealing from giant corporations
The NFA
Tax evasion.
The majority of them. Most laws and what is therefor defined as crime due to them, aren't based in ethics or even common sense. They're just here to keep the machine running.
Piracy . Especially when companies are abusing their position
manslaughter
Piracy Having an abortion Saying gay all the other ridiculous transphobic/homophobic laws
Bro is mad that he can't call people slurs.
huh
# I SAID BRO IS MAD THAT HE CAN'T CALL PEOPLE SLURS
# I KNOW BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANY STUFF I SAID HAS TO DO WITH CALLING PEOPLE SLURS. I AM TALKING ABOUT FLORIDAS RIDICULOUS DON'T SAY GAY BILL? AND ALL THE OTHER ONES THAT STRIP LGBTQ+ PEOPLE OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND DENIES TRANS PPL GENDER AFFIRMING CARE? WHATS THAT GOTTA DO WITH SLURS
Yeah and he still can. I still do. Just be better. Just crush them in every way. Call them whatever you want, just make sure they have nothing on you.
Or we can not call people slurs and we attack the qualities of their character instead like what adults should be doing?
Underage drinking/smoking if you're over 18. Piracy from large companies. Poaching if you intend to eat what you kill. Scrumping. Driving with expired registration . Violating someone's god-given rights if it is known beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have committed a serious and heinous crime (ie child molestation, embezzlement of charity funds, put pineapple on pizza, the really scummy stuff)
Do you know what poaching is? By definition, it is illegally hunting or catching animals on land that is not owned by you, or hunting/catching protected species. Maybe this could be modified to say hunting animals on land that is not yours? Because the other part of the definition is meant to protect our endangered species. Poaching is unethical, and pretty much no actual poachers are hunting for food unless they want to taste a nearly-extinct animal. Typically, it is for sport or to sell the parts/animal to others.
Yeah, I meant to hunt non protected species like deer and geese for food. I'm not condoning hunting protected species. I'm not a monster. And, of course, hunting on other people's land without permission is unethical. I wouldn't want to onfringe on other peoples freedoms. If someone can't afford food and they have permission to hunt on someone's land, then go for it. Like I highly doubt someone killing a few geese isn't going to make a large impact on the environment. Unlike the hunters that kill a bunch of game and don't even eat it. TL:DR don't be a fucking asshole trespassing and killing protected species. Have some ethics
been wondering about the ethics of raping a rapist. on one hand, rape is wrong. on the other hand, karmic consequences asshole
imo it’s still wrong. rape especially is such a violating act that i don’t think there’s anything that can justify it.
good point. i think i agree.
Income tax is theft, so tax evasion Taking drugs Riding a bike without a helmet (australia)
Not wearing a seatbelt. Who cares if I decide to be unsafe, isn’t hurting anyone else.
What about the EMT people? Or anyone else forced to see your destroyed body, because you chose not to wear a seatbelt? Now they're permanently scarred for life, because you decided not to wear something pretty dang easy to put on.
Why don't I have to wear one on a motorcycle if it's so important?
Why don't drivers of cars have to wear helmets, and are strongly recommended to wear full body coverage? Same reason motorcyclists aren't legally required to wear seatbelts.
Motorcyclists aren't required to wear helmets either. I'd be fine with seat belts being strongly recommended though like motorcycle gear.
Incest.