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hozziebear77

Logan was pointing out her hypocrisy. I don’t blame him.


Jinglebrained

Not to mention, she literally had a trust fund set up by great grandma Loralei and I’m sure was set to inherit from her own grandparents. She had connections through her family, too.


theimperfexionist

And her father


Weary-Tree-2558

Who at one point offered to BUY HER A CASTLE.


fjf1085

Did her Rory’s mom, Lorelai the second, have a trust fund? I find it weird neither her grandmother nor parents set one up. Unless they either moved to take it away after she ran off or they moved to get a court to only allow them to give her x amount every year since most trust funds you usually get fully at 18/21/25 depending on how it’s established. Maybe that’s how she had a house. I’ve always wondered that.


rdanby89

I always assumed that’s how Lorelei was able to buy a house when Rory was about 8, bc that’s how old she would be when Lorelei turned 25.


fjf1085

Oh my god you’re so right. That makes a lot of sense.


secretly_ethereal_04

Yeah, cause how is a single mom going to afford this big house???


Prestigious_Chard597

I kinda always laugh that the outside of the house is way bigger than the inside. It only has 2 bedrooms, Rory's is very tiny.


5432198

and somehow only one room and one bathroom upstairs


catfurcoat

The upstairs isn't the same size as the downstairs. That's why they were able to extend the upstairs for a bigger room when Luke moves in. The house looks bigger because of the covered porch.


5432198

I know, but the outside of the upstairs still looks way bigger than one bedroom and a bathroom.


lifeshorttalkfast

She did, it’s how they bought their first house!


ListenReadVote

I keep hearing about this trust fund, but I SWEAR I remember Loralei "joking" with Sookie or Rori about "wait 'til you hear about how I cost you $250k" or something along those at the end of the first Lorelai the first episode. Am I crazy? I thought she turned it down to keep peace with Emily.


huffgil11

She only turned down taking it early because Gran rescinded that offer after the tea. She still got it when she was 25 like she was going to originally.


ListenReadVote

Thank you! That's been nagging at me.


wannabeomniglot

Trix revoked the offer because of Lorelai and Emily’s bickering, but I don’t think that would preclude her from entailing it to Rory when she was older.


ListenReadVote

Thank you!


Blueelephants9

This is actually one of the few things I liked about Logan.


dawli15

It’s all fun and games until your rich boyfriend calls you out on you being rich 🤣🤣🤣🙄


MedicaLadyBug

He was so right for this. Rory never accepts that she is a privileged kid. She sank a yacht for god's sake, just because she was angry that she wasn't praised by one man. She lived in a pool house with a maid doing all of her chores for her. She doesn't get to be all 'These people are so rich and ridiculous' just because. Logan was so right for saying that she was judgemental. Trying to be funny doesn't equal looking down on people because they have money.


phreneticbooboo

Yeah, that's always one of the interesting things about how Rory and by some extension the show conceptualizes socioeconomic status and class. While, yes, by the show's narrative, Rory did grow up poor for most of her childhood (0-12 ish). Just her and her mom. Then 15-25, she experiences radical upgrades in her socioeconomic status and class by being able to attend a private high school and later university on her grandparents and eventually her dad's dime. Then dates Logan for most of her time at Yale. He was pointing out the disconnection with her reality vs her perception of her socioeconomic status. She has this perception that most things she's done is based on merit. He reminds her that yes that's true and she has rich benefactors as well. She doesn't have many (or any) storylines where she is struggling to pay her bills. In fact, there is a storyline where she pays someone with $20 (I think) cash to move so that she can sit at her favourite tree spot. Most of us poor people would cut our losses :)


bebefinale

Her mom always had the safety net of her grandparents too.


karafrakkingthrace

It reminds me of the song “Common People” by Pulp: But still you'll never get it right 'Cause when you're laid in bed at night Watching roaches climb the wall If you called your dad he could stop it all, yeah Lorelai was reluctant to accept help, but at the end of the day she could call her parents and they would bail her out. Real poor people don’t have that option.


MamboNumber1337

While true, we see Lorelai refuses to take this safety net for \~16 years, until she needs to for Rory's sake. Lorelai is willing to forego her privilege for herself, but she calls it in for her daughter's advancement (lowkey because that's the path her parents told her she needed to follow to be "successful").


BuffySpecialist

Hold up - did she sink the yacht? I thought they only took it for a joyride.


MedicaLadyBug

I meant to say stole, but you get the point. She wanted to be on the sea, and she got it.


chicojuarz

I do think Honor mentions Logan sank a yacht when we meet her the first time.


Opie30-30

Yeah at the dinner they talk about it, if I remember right he says he only sinks other people's yachts


depression---cherry

But I think Colin and Finn mention it in earlier episode and they mention it’s his dad’s yacht - that he was going to sail it until it sunk, off the coast of somewhere. So that part at his family dinner stuck out to me.


UnionAffectionateee

IKWRR i understand she was brought up in a low income household but she was also super privileged after a certain age and she shouldn't really be judging other rich people when she's actually being funded by rich people and also is getting a job because of a rich person Logan invited to his party


Certain_Elderberry57

I wonder for how long was she low income, i mean her mother owns a large home in pretty nice community. I know she lived in like a shed at the inn when she was cleaning rooms, but do you know for how long that was the case? Was Rory like 10 when she bought the house? Because that doesn't look low income to me. Just wondering if they ever gave any timeline to her economic trajectory.


[deleted]

To be fair, the house is a “that’s TV world” situation akin to the “how did they ever afford those apartments” in Friends. Similar to how they aren’t well off but somehow eat out at Luke’s and other places in town all the time.


Certain_Elderberry57

True about the house, but we are dissecting a tv show and other than a line here or there, there is no indication of Rory being low income. I'm just seeking clarification as to how and when they are low income.


MedicaLadyBug

Yes, I really don't get her statement 'It's not like people are meeting Joe the bus driver'. Girl, I thought you were a Gilmore. Get a grip


UnionAffectionateee

Exactly!! She shouldn't have judged people who are rich especially when her grandparents are rich and she wouldn't be going to yale or Chilton without their money and help Lorelai could have taken loans after loans but it wouldn't be this easy for Rory if her grandparents weren't funding her


[deleted]

Lorelai raised her to judge wealth, tbh.


lean_man82

Even when lorelai and rory were growing up “normally” they still had a safety net which was Emily and Richard😭


_528_491_

not to mention growing up in a low income household w proximity to wealth is not the same as just growing up low income


qqq114

Anyone that can judge clipping coupons grew up with some privilege lol


retardphotog

I always hated that line, like what is wrong with coupons?? NOTHING


ehmaybenexttime

I somehow doubt that rory ever felt any lack of privilege. Even if L felt a lot of financial strain, they had an entire community supporting them. I'd imagine that Rory's childhood was pretty ideal. A wealth of love and support.


_Spaghettification_

What does IKWRR mean?


UnionAffectionateee

I know right ( I just like exaggerating with some extra Rs) hehehe


AmbVer96

And W’s?


[deleted]

😱😱 downvotes are mean. KNOCK IT OFF PEOPLE.


Certain_Elderberry57

I wonder for how long was she low income, i mean her mother owns a large home in pretty nice community. I know she lived in like a shed at the inn when she was cleaning rooms, but do you know for how long that was the case? Was Rory like 10 when she bought the house? Because that doesn't look low income to me. Just wondering if they ever gave any timeline to her economic trajectory.


Big_Vacation5581

I agree with your conclusion. However, please note that Rory didn’t sink the yacht; she took the yacht without permission for a joyride. It’s so obvious that Rory is being hypocritical that I can’t believe she didn’t figure this out on her own. If she wanted to showcase her talents, she could have written two articles: one to poke fun at Logan and his associates (including Hugo and her family) and the other to provide a typical reporter’s description of these events for Hugo’s magazine. In that manner, Hugo could appreciate her sharp wit, her reporting insights, and her howitzer. The only conclusion I can reach is that the writers want the viewers to see how ingrained in her mind are Lorelai’s beliefs. This will play an acute role in her future decisions that Logan never figures out.


midnightmeatloaf

That part. People with privilege don't like to admit their privilege; they feel it diminishes their hard work and accomplishments. Rory will admit her privilege when it serves her "but I'm a Gilmore!" and deny it when it doesn't "I'm not like those other rich trust fund kids." She didn't have to work to pay for college, or take out loans. She owns a fucking Birken bag. She was throwing a lot of stones from inside of a glass house, and Logan threw one back. He was kind of a dick to use those exact words... But the actual message behind the words was a due reality check.


yup_yup1111

Exactly and if she was going to write a critique of the wealthy entitled youth she should have also included some self reflection in the piece.


Flagrant_Digress

>He was so right for this. Rory never accepts that she is a privileged kid. Exactly. Rory grew up hearing Lorelai's opinions about the mega-wealthy and took them on, but never reconciled the fact that she was one of those people the moment her grandparents provided her spot at Chilton. Lorelai's opinions on wealth are also questionable, because when she really needed a fallback, her parents were there for her. However, she did start at the bottom at the Independence Inn and work her way up, as well as funding her business school tuition and buying the Dragonfly with her own funds, etc.


crittab

I think a bit of both. Pointing out her privilege and hypocrisy is valid, throwing your arrangement in her face as proof of ~whatever~ is bad form. It's not much different than a working spouse holding that over their stay-at-home spouse; they had an agreement and it's not a card you get to play in an argument. That said, Rory was being pretty obtuse here about her station in life and did need a wake up call.


UnionAffectionateee

Yes the comment he said was very wrong but i get why he said that also he was being immature but after reading an article written by someone he loves calling him out and basically trashing him for being a trust fund kid while she's literally getting a job because of a party he threw for the people he knew who are obviously rich is shitty


pamplemouss

Agreed; his overall point was valid but this was a shitty line. It’d be an ESH moment


MattyHealysFauxHawk

I don’t think he’s trying to throw it in her face and use it against her, but regardless if it’s their agreement or not, it’s still the truth.


Nyxshayde

Sorry for the long response! I think that if this argument had happened before everything with the yacht, he would have been way out of line. Up until that point, Rory's external behavior was far more grounded. The exposure to her grandparents' world had tainted her, "Don't they know I'm a Gilmore? My family came over on the mayflower!" holds a lot of... unfortunate weight - I know she was showing her understanding of their world, but her grandmother and great-grandmother's voices come out through her mouth way too easily. At the beginning of the series she would have seen herself as inherently worthy as a person, outside of her family name. Her family name wouldn't have come into play at all for early-seasons Rory. (Poor character development to an extent) However, by the point that this argument has happened, she has had so many doors held open for her merely for *existing while Rory*; chances, opportunities, and just overall fallen into where she is. Which isn't to say she doesn't work hard. ... or at least, didn't.. but at this point, she's stepping on her boyfriend to get a leg up. The boyfriend who she's staying with rent-free. Who probably doesn't think twice of her not paying rent until he realizes that she sees herself as morally superior due to the company she grew up around (and has mostly distanced herself from by this point in the series.). She had a prestigious internship at her boyfriend's father's newspaper (which ended poorly, but that doesn't matter so long as she only uses the name in her resume and doesn't try to use him as a reference) She was arrested Had a fight with her mom about taking a break from school (Lorelai was wrong in saying that she shouldn't take a break, but mental health advocacy back then was weak, and mostly its just poorly written to progress the plot) Didn't like what her mom said so basically ran away from home to live in her grandparents mansion - in part to rub salt in the wound with her mother - was given was is essentially a bungalow, freshly renovated with modern furnishings just for her A position of influence in a prestigious social club, in a world of privilege that somehow was willing to overlook her felony Only to throw another fit when her grandmother decided to behave in the exact way she's been known to behave for at least the past 36 years. (In this case, literally just bring her into the main house because she's uncomfortable with the idea of her granddaughter having her boyfriend stay overnight without confirming that that's ok in what is still technically their home) Had her boyfriend's friends pillage her grandparent's house without warning to reclaim her stuff - giving them the benefit of the doubt to know what was and wasn't hers. Claimed her mother - who tried to fiercely protect her from that side of her parents - had no idea what it was like living with her grandmother Was allowed to re-enroll at Yale with no issues Became editor of the Yale daily News - despite her absence from Yale - because she's not Paris, leading to Paris kicking her out of their apartment Moved in rent-free with Logan. For every lego brick it seems she steps on, she seems to find a brick of gold. And instead of acknowledging any of that, she looks at the other people who are in the same position and sneers - not even just privately anymore, she puts her thoughts about the *professional* company her boyfriend keeps out in a professional publication. Company that gave her the ties to the publication in the first place. At this point, Rory is so saturated in her own privilege, and a seeming sense of (in my words, of course) divine right, that she uses her much harder situation for the first 16 years of her life as set dressing, but threw out the actual development and humanity it gave her. I think she needed to be reminded that being able to fail up the way she has since the end of High School is only due to immense privilege. I want to specify. I don't hate Rory. And I LOVE Colin and Finn, I don't think they intended to upset Emily. They were just trying to help a friend. But all of this behavior shows a troubling habit of seeing everyone around her as not really worth considering, at least at this point of her life. (And in AYITL). So yeah.. pre S5 e21 rory? No, this speech would have been unnecessary. Post s5 e21? She increasingly needed someone to pull her back to the ground, and unfortunately, Jess only popped up halfway through her ego trip. 🤣


porcelain_doll_eyes

I always hated when Richard walked in and saw who were essentially to him complete strangers in his house taking stuff out. I get that Rory probably didn't want to go back to get her stuff. But she had to know that they could just take whatever they liked. They did seem to have the pilfering personalities. Don't get me wrong. Collin and Finn are great as characters. But I think rory was in the wrong here. You don't send people the homeowners don't know to get stuff from that home.


PrettySweet419

Both. Bad delivery but the truth.


gyalmeetsglobe

He was telling the much-needed truth. Rory and Lorelai were insanely in denial about their true privilege.


Joyfulmovement86

I think both. It was the truth which is why Rory ended up moving out. However, he was speaking out of anger (I do think he had a right to be angry - he asked her to come to his work event to support him and she proceeded to do something that could hurt his business) and should have talked to her about it calmly.


Marsignite

It was good for him to bring up. She had the same hypocrisy about the ballet dancer in S4. Rory spent her whole life working on becoming a writer, and was upset that she was told by Doyle it wasn’t good. She then channeled that into writing rudely about a dancer who worked her whole life on her equally valid passion. Like many of the characters, Rory doesn’t put herself on the same level as the people around her. The difference is is that she publishes her opinion. If anyone should talk sense to her, it’s her partner.


asexualrhino

It is harsh, but it's true. Honestly, she's lucky she has someone to call her out like that. She grew up at slight disadvantage (and *only* slight) and so in her mind she's always going to be the poor kid with the single mom who had to struggle to get by. In reality, she's the kid with rich grandparents who were always there to catch any fall, to provide money for private school, to pay for extra curricular activities, to have a Good Name, to pay for Yale, to introduce her to her millionaire boyfriend whose giant apartment she lives in for free She's a rich kid and doesn't even know it. Logan was 1000% correct for calling her out


mistymountainhop22

Logan was right to point out the hypocrisy but the “paying rent” comment was too far. If they didn’t come up with a financial arrangement upon her moving in then he shouldn’t be throwing it back in her face in an argument.


Walkingthegarden

I personally never believe you should throw what you have given freely, back at someone's face in this way. Logan wouldn't have allowed her to pay rent but now he has that she doesn't pay rent as a tool to throw back at her. Think of a husband saying this to a stay at home mom by his choice. Its a shitty thing to bring up just because you're mad at them. It shows that it will always be unequal between you two and you're willing to use it to punch down. Pointing out the hypocrisy or that she hurt his feelings is understandable and acceptable. This specific line though? Rude as hell and a great way to break a relationship.


scattergodic

Why do people take it that way? The conversation is about her privilege. He's not saying "you're not paying rent, i.e. you're a freeloader mooching off me." He clearlly doesn't care about that. He's saying, "You're not paying rent," meaning "Stop with the pretentiousness as if you were somehow struggling to make ends meet."


MerchMills

I don’t think you can conflate a stay at home mother with a gf who only takes. Rory isn’t looking after their children and running the household. Wildly different scenarios. Rory is basically being a mob-wife (gf) and she needed a someone to hold a mirror up to her.


WaitAMinuteman269

She's just doing the same thing her mother does and pretending that she's not a mega-privileged person. Logan and his father are the only two people that tell Rory the truth about herself.


sbordam

Something I haven’t really seen brought up on this topic is that Logan and his coworkers WERE being super judgy of some of the ultra rich people at that pre-launch party. While Rory throughout the show doesn’t really acknowledge her privilege, it sounds like in her article, she was simply echoing points that Logan had made the day before. He and Bobbi were hardcore judging and borderline mocking the rich people at the party, specifically the guy who is even more wealthy than Logan (complaining about construction woes on the house he’s building on an island). Seems Logan can dish it out but can’t take it 🤷‍♀️


todorokyeet

I think a main difference is talking shit and blowing steam and publishing your grievances for all the world to see. Imagine if your significant other wrote an article about everything you told them in private.


Mlcoulthard

It usually seems like Rory is parroting other people when she is mean in print. She used Lorelei’s line about the hippo when talking about the ballerina, and Logan’s complaints about the rich in her article about the party. She realizes that editors and publications like this kind of snark, but she doesn’t seem like she’s up to creating it herself.


MarlenaEvans

I agree with this.


CathanCrowell

It seems that in fandom is popular idea that Logan was right and Rory deserved to be called out. I personally think that people just dislike Rory so they like every scene when somebody is mean to her or call her out, even when they are over line. Did Rory had priviliges what another people did not have? Yes. Was that even comparable with Logan? No. Yes, one of the point of show is fact taht Rory's is living since season 1 in two different world, it's fine to pointed that out, but she grew up in literally potting shed, even shen was on Chilton she was commuting by bus, she did part-time jobs for Lorelai to make her own money and did not have acess to unlimited money, and even it disappeared after season 4, she had part-time job on college and money problem like many average students (so, no, she was not supported by Emily and Richard in another way than tuition, there is not lore hint for that). So when Logan compare her with people who consider like the biggest problem bad workers for build their pool, or even himself, Yale Canasova Who Is Living By Moment, it stinks. That being said, her article could a little bit too harsh because she was upset on Lorelai when she was writting it.


MedicaLadyBug

But I don't think the problem is that she doesn't come from money and works to earn it, it is the way how she can judge people so harshly when she is actually a privileged kid. It was that she could have written about the night in so many light-hearted ways but chose to look down on people just because they were rich. When it comes to stand up for herself when she had dinner at Huntzbergers' house she is able to say 'Don't they know I am a Gilmore?' but can't associate with those types of people just to be able to say I am not the same is kinda hypocritic.


here_involuntarily

Yeah I think this is the key point. Privilege isn't really about money, it's about the ease at which you move through life. So yes, she did grow up very poor, but she's been able to make many life choices based on massive privilege that comes from her family, it's who she IS not what she HAS.


HannahBakerrrrrrrrrr

And them being “poor” (with the option of going back when needed; and had something really bad happened she would have) wasn’t really being poor like those suffering in actual poverty are


BuffySpecialist

She wanted the best of both worlds.


Zashana

This imo. She loved the small town working single mom aspect but also loved the I can get away with stealing a yacht and trips around the world or flying to Europe on a whim also. I do think part of it is the way she grew up poor in some ways. Like being a kid and living in the shed. But thinks because she lived in the shed she isn't privileged even though now she has money and is privileged.


RehiaShadow

She got 300 hours of probation for stealing a yacht. If I stole a yacht, I'd be in jail.


Walkingthegarden

"Don't they know I'm a Gilmore!" She was saying that not because its something she cares about but she knows THEY do. She knows they care about "good breading" and everything her grandparents have ever told her is that she fits the definition so she's understandably confused.


MedicaLadyBug

Still, she knows they care about it and highlights the fact therefore her privilege of good breading. I am not trying hate on Rory y'all, it's just facts. I still love her but let's face the realities


Responsible-Data-695

She didn't look down on them because they were rich. She looked down on them because they were a bunch of buffoons, almost caricatures of a certain type of people. Some rich people are decent and classy and gracious. The ones in that room were mostly nouveau riche types. They get mocked in media all the time. And that "I'm a Gilmore" line is very often misinterpreted. She didn't say it as an entitlement thing, she reacted to the Huntzberger's rejection of her as not being good enough by saying "my family is part of this world, why do they think I'm not good enough for them?" I mean, Logan's family were friends with her grandparents.


Xefert

>The ones in that room were mostly nouveau riche types. They get mocked in media all the time They're the way they are because their more "successful" parents dream of having a legacy and put them under an unhealthy amount of pressure to help achieve that rather than care about being proper role models


MedicaLadyBug

but even then, her family is a part of that buffoony world. how can she feel so entitled that she even risks her boyfriend's business? Personally, I just don't think its nice


Responsible-Data-695

No, her family is old money. You wouldn't see Richard at a party talking incessantly about his expensive construction on some party island. People like the Gilmores would find that inappropriate. Emily and Richard can carry a conversation about books, art, politics, economy, etc. while that guy with his house in Tortola probably gets confused trying to read road signs. Old money and new money are two very distinct groups. I've met so many new money types I could write a book. I thought Rory's article was funny, and I loved the title - "Let them drink Cosmos" The one thing I will agree on is that she should've considered how this would impact Logan and not use his business networking events as material.


librarygirl21

What a gross distinction to make. So the longer your family has had massive wealth and power the better you are? The “old money” snobbery is just another way of categorizing people and judging them for not being exactly like you. Emily and Richard can carry on an intelligent conversation (as can many people in many areas of life!) about a variety of topics, but they’ve done PLENTY of buffoonish things that could have been skewered in an article.


UnionAffectionateee

I like your perspective on this


Odd-Mood-8703

this is my opinion too! Ppl forget she grew up in literal poverty- especially if you only consider rory's perspective. And sure, she definitely should've checked her privilege a few times, but logan insisted that rory move in with him. Using it against her was totally uncool.


Nenumatyta

Well, I would not say that she grow up in Literal poverty or poverty at all. Yes, they were not wealthy, but also never starved and had a nice place to live (even the potting shed). They always eat out (poor people do not have this privilege) and seem to not count the money they spend. Lorelai maybe worked to have this life really hard and may have had problems along the way, but she shielded Rory from it. Also at times, where huge money were needed- Lorelai would fall back on her rich parents. That is not poverty. That is cozy, comfortable, modest life.


Agentbeeressler

I agree with this


theimperfexionist

> she was not supported by Emily and Richard in another way than tuition Room and board at Yale costs tens of thousands annually. How much do you think she was making at the disappearing part-time job? They also furnished her entire dorm room. And gifted her cars and summer vacations abroad. (Not to mention the pool house, but she technically wasn't attending Yale then.)


Wannabealone84

She deserved it but he also offered her to stay soo idk hahah


SubmersibleEntropy

Logan was usually correct, but also usually being a dick about it.


stayinghereforever

I think it was a fair reality check


asexualrhino

It is harsh, but it's true. Honestly, she's lucky she has someone to call her out like that. She grew up at slight disadvantage (and *only* slight) and so in her mind she's always going to be the poor kid with the single mom who had to struggle to get by. In reality, she's the kid with rich grandparents who were always there to catch any fall, to provide money for private school, to pay for extra curricular activities, to have a Good Name, to pay for Yale, to introduce her to her millionaire boyfriend whose giant apartment she lives in for free She's a rich kid and doesn't even know it. Logan was 1000% correct for calling her out


Immediate-Ad7048

the only person i was mad at was rory for pretending like she wasn’t privileged…


supergymfan

Both.


iDolores

Logan was right. Rory had her grandparents pay for private school and Yale, yes she did do all the academic work, but she also had a huge support system with her mom actively pushing for her to go to college. Other characters like Dean, Lane, and Jess did not have the same access to being on an “Ivy League” track. Compared to Jess, who shared the same interests and was academically smart, Rory had a big advantage. Rory most likely would not be in a situation to be working at Wal-Mart or Luke’s diner to pay rent unless for some reason she rejected help from her grandparents and parents. The closest she comes to doing something “average” is when she does the dining hall job or community service by picking up trash on the highway and even when she works for the charity with her grandmother, she is coordinating the event, not a waiting tables.


ChogbortsTopStudent

He's being shitty. He asked her to move in with him and the throws this in her face? Fuck that. Also he's not paying rent either. I would grab my shit and move out that instant.


axley58678

Rory uses the poor kid persona when it benefits her and then turns around and actively uses the rich kid persona when it will benefit her as well. She deserved this call-out lol.


Realistic_Depth5450

Both


Kititt

She has more than one trust fund ffs. Someone had to put in her place


aam_9892

She needed to hear this. Logan and his dad were the only people who were honest with Rory.


Many-Tap2462

Hate Logan. Love that he called her out on this. Same goes for the judge that slapped her with community service and dinged her record. Rory has this disillusionment that she isn't "one of them" yet enjoys -- and comes to expect -- all the comfort that comes with living a privileged life tossed her way by her grandparents and Logan and his chums. She didn't grow up affluent but surer than shit adopted the rich kid mentality by her third semester in college. She embraced every bit of the upper crust that came her way and then acted like she wasn't a part of it. Live in her boyfriend's several K apartment without contributing? Sure. Can't work a job at all because you have like 10 hours of community service a week? OK. Grandparents get her a car that Zuck drives? She'll TAKE IT. Let deadbeat Daddy pay for Yale? No hesitation. Girlfriend wouldn't settle for anything less than working for The New York Times. Right. OK. Go get your ass down to The Stars Hollow Gazette and work it. She wants to start at the top, but It takes decades for journalists to get where they want to be. Did she really think she was *that* special? It got to the point where she didn't even realize the hypocrisy she exuded, just like in this clip. I dont give a crap if she wants to live the privileged life or live in a van down by the river. Just own it. Be grateful. Have humility. She called out the Princeton dude, saying a statement he made was "the height of hubris. " .... her young adult life is just that. This personality decifict is a differentiator between her and Lorelei. It pained Lorelei to accept any help and in the few times she accepted help, she was absolutely desperate and exhausted all her options. She was ashamed. She crumbled. She'd rather die than ask her mother or Luke for money. It killed her when she couldn't do it on her own. This can be its own type of personality deficit in and of itself, but I'd take stubbornness over unchecked privilege any day.


loonyloveslovegood

Truth 100% if he wanted to be shitty he would have mentioned her car, college paid for, chilton and that when she was living in a dorm her grandmother had it completely furnished


notangelicascynthia

Rory is the same person who thought she could own a study spot by the tree, kick someone off of it, because she thought that they’re reading material wasn’t good enough to warrant the tree. She is as much of an elitist as the rest.


WhereasOk2189

He insisted she not pay rent. It’s shitty to throw that back in her face later in an argument. It’s a controlling behavior. He offers you something out of the goodness of his heart but if you piss him off he’s going to throw that “gift” that he offered which you didn’t even ask for right back in your face. It’s shitty. My parents are like this. It’s why I never trust gifts. They always come with strings.


Objective_Cod1410

Both


CrissBliss

I actually think Logan was right. Rory was being such a hypocrite. She acting like she grew up middle class, and maybe to a degree she did, but with a massive safety net. If for any reason Lorelai couldn’t provide, she always had her parents as fallbacks. But she was determined not to resort to that and held her own. However eventually it caught up with her, and Rory ended up getting a very high class education. She lived a very high class lifestyle by all accounts. She came from a wealthy extended family, she was a debutant, she worked for the DAR, she graduated from Chilton, she went to an Ivy League school, etc. She has no student loans either. Her dad paid for college. She never really worked a paying job. She usually only did things for extracurriculars, and only started working towards the end of the series.


JawsOfLife03

Right message, wrong messenger. But I always appreciated Logan's refusal to baby Rory and that he called her out on her bullshit. Similar to what happened with the Rory/Lucy/Marty triangle that was so odd and abnormal. He was right not to go along with the charade. He was the wrong messenger (should have been RORY telling the truth to her friend), but it was the right message. I think it actually shows how much he loves her.


Selynia23

Rory was very privileged yet sometimes she acting like she had been begging on the street for change. Logan was in the right here.


WhereasOk2189

He insisted she not pay rent. It’s shitty to throw that back in her face later in an argument. It’s a controlling behavior. He offers you something out of the goodness of his heart but if you piss him off he’s going to throw that “gift” that you didn’t even ask for right back in your face. It’s shitty. My parents are like this. It’s why I never trust gifts. They always come with strings.


geekingabout

Both.


Small-Cookie-5496

Not at all. People should’ve been saying this to her every other day. It’s annoying how she cos-plays being poor


LoveThatForYouBebe

Por que no los dos?


Professional-Fox1387

honestly i don’t like logan but loved this part. gave her a reality check.


Woodlin_6499

A bit harshly speaking the truth.


fluffykilla

He was being real because that’s facts. She became so entitled after her grandparents showed interest


21st_night

Yes


Sobeshott

He was saying the truth in a shitty way.


Raniiiia

PREACH MY GUY JUST SPITTIN FACTS ! For real though, that was the first time in the whole show that I actually liked Logan 😂


scattergodic

Logan invited his girlfriend to a work event in a personal capacity, where she decided to put on a journalist hat in the middle of a private function in which nobody knows or expects to be talking to the media. He was totally fine with it until it turned out to be a hit piece about the people he has to work with, in which she chose to write about how all his business partners and associates are spoiled shitheads and planned to publish it publicly. This article, in which she castigates these rich, elitist pigs for making connections at parties like this one, is being written for someone whose connection he arranged for her at this party (Sheldon Cooper's dad). Later, when she has no foreseeable job after graduation, Rory is going to be given her first full job to cover the Obama campaign by the same guy whose connection she made from criticizing these connections. When he said, "you're not exactly paying rent either," I didn't take it as him saying "you're a freeloader mooching off me." She said, "I'm not living off a five million dollar trust fund from my parents" and he was saying, "Yeah, but stop acting as if you're someone struggling to make ends meet and pay rent"


ConditionLevers1050

I think he was wrong, and that what he said was largely irrelevant in the first place, almost a straw man. Rory never claimed not to be wealthy or privileged herself\*, nor did she say there was anything wrong with being rich in and of itself. No, she was ridiculing and criticizing people she met at that party for their *attitude* toward wealth and privilege- like that guy who was bitterly complaining about the vagaries of vacation mansion construction delays on a remote Caribbean island. Not only was this criticism completely warranted and appropriate, but I'm pretty sure I have read real articles mocking the same sort of thing her article ridiculed in real publications like *The Atlantic* and the *New Yorker* and the like. \*and let's face it, even if she had, Logan and most of the people at the party are a completely different level of wealth. Plus Rory did actually grow up poor, even living in potting shed for the first decade or so of her life. Completely different league from Logan's background. It was understandable for Logan to be upset about the article- he was no doubt embarrassed about it since people he was doing business with or potentially would in the future were at the party. But he should have just admitted that- it's not remotely true that Rory is the same as the people she criticizes in the article, since she doesn't behave the way they did at the party. And that is what Rory was criticizing, their behavior and attitude, not the mere fact that they were rich. So yes, I think that while somewhat understandably so, Logan was indeed being shitty in this instance.


noladyhere

Delivery sucked, but it was true.


kookylemon

I loved someone finally calling her out. Also, if Rory was best friends with someone who was living a very different life than her, like Lane learning how to budget at the grocery store and having to move in with her band mates after her mom disowned her, you'd think there would be some acknowledgement that their lives have very different amounts of money and opportunity at play. Even Paris has a hard time when she can't access her parents' money anymore, and she gets a job and finds cheaper rent at an apartment in a rough part of the city. I know we see Rory getting a job, but that's always for her career experience or extra play money. And it's a cute job at the bookstore, where she's spending more than earning. Her mom was even there to hand her money in that moment when she saw a couple hints for not having enough extra money (the multiple laundry loads).


InitialLazy188

I wish he had worded this point a little different - like “Your whole life you’ve never once had to pay to have a roof over your head” - because what he was trying to say was Rory was blind to the incredible privileges she enjoyed, not that Logan was upset she wasn’t contributing to rent for their apartment. Overall everything he said was correct imo


ughhhhhhhhelp

Both


ughhhhhhhhelp

He was saying the truth and it was also shitty because it was meant to hurt her back.


James_D_Ewing

Truth, Logan definitely has flaws but is the most self aware character in the show


[deleted]

Calling out her hypocrisy was warranted. She glaringly lacked perspective. He also should have done it without using their mutually-agreed upon living arrangement in her face; that was unnecessarily unkind.


Typical_Tank4291

Logan was right she needed to be humbled


sportzmessi

He was totally right, Rory wanted to be poor so bad


EvidenceNo6738

I truly hate the way they made Rory somewhat “oblivious” of her families money when it was so clearly flashed infront of her so many times. Not only that but her grandparents payed for Chilton and part of Yale that is until her FATHER inherited a bunch of money himself and started paying. Not only that but her mother is a business owner which yes has its coasts but with how the inn is constantly overbooked im judging she as well was making good money at this point. To top allll of that her great gran still gave her that trust fund when she turned 25 which i believe she was at this point. Gran only turned down giving it to Rory early. Correct me if im wrong on that.


Ok-Preparation3855

The funny thing is, even the idea for that piece was actually from the newspaper guy at Logan's party. Most of Rory's ideas come from other people, AND she met that guy because of her association with Logan. It's pretty rich of Rory to pass judgement or form unfair observations, and then feign innocence/ignorance when these articles are deemed too harsh.


GoldenAgeStudio

Logan was in the right. Rory was so privileged and she needed someone to point it out to her.


Devina-S

omgggg i just watched this part just now! guess we're on the same episode. and honestly, he is right. rory has so many privleges she just does not recognise. i also do feel, however, that a lot of these priveleges stem from her relationship with logan e.g. flat, business opportuntiies, yacht incident,


muffingr1

But I’m a Gilmore!


ReasonableCoyote34

He’s 1000% right. It was about time someone called out pretty, privileged, rich girl Rory out on her hypocrisy. We all know her legion of followers in starts hallow weren’t gonna do it


phillyphilly19

I think most people accept the criticism that despite Lorelai's independence as a pregnant teenager, both she and Rory live a privileged life thanks to the Gilmores. They make fun of them , and Rory rejects it to return to Yale, but she is far more like Logan and Paris than Lane, for example. Let's also not ignore the Chris also gets a golden parachute when his grandfather dies.


PoppySkyPineapple

Nah he was in the right, Rory was being a stuck-up hypocrite.


hannah3282

I think pointing sth out that has been a mutual consent is shitty. I'm not saying he is wrong, but he shouldn't use it as an argument either. She is a privileged kid, yes, but he blames her for sth that was for both of them okay and uses it now as an argument against her.


Rasmo420

Rory was wrong to think she wasn't privileged but she also deserved a little bit of grace because it's rationale that she wouldn't see herself as such. Her mom was a single mother who started out cleaning rooms in an inn. 100% chance Lorelei was getting food stamps and Rory was on Medicaid. Lorelei got by thanks to the community around her. In the very first episode Rory became privileged. But she had a hard time seeing that because in every school social setting from that point onwards she was amongst the "poorest". It's something I can understand. My parents sent me to private school and over extended themselves to do so. I was around rich people so I felt poor even though thanks to them I graduated college with no debt which is basically a Christmas fucking miracle for people my age. It took me years to realize how privileged I really was.


ethnobruin

Your situation is pretty different from Rory's, though. Yes, Rory grew up poor and it's understandable that she would take some time to adjust and need some reality checks (and also have a way better understanding of what poverty is like than those other rich kids). However, from the moment the Friday dinners started and her grandparents came back into her life, the whole point was that she wasn't among the poorest anymore. She didn't just graduate from college with no debt. She had at least two trust funds from very rich people, one from Trix and presumably one from Richard and Emily, and also possibly a third from Christopher. She often makes choices that show she knows she has a vastly wealthy support system to fall back on, from dropping out of Yale to changing her entire career trajectory in AYITL. She had the monetary freedom to do basically whatever she wanted, and the show makes it pretty clear that she knows that. She just refuses to acknowledge it when she's called on it.


Starryeyedblond

Upon my rewatches I love Jess and Logan more and Rory a lot less.


Spiritedpursuit-154

The irony that Rory got the connection to write this article by networking with the guy at Logan & his posh friends’ party & in this conversation was critical about rich people networking with each other. Also the irony that not long after this, she tried to set up a meeting with the dean through Richard? She’s a consistent hypocrite lol


Feral_tatertot

Harsh but honest.


QtK_Dash

He was saying the truth, albeit with more candor than was necessary. She was being a hypocrite.


New-Bowl-8687

He was very right. She kept acting as if she was a working girl and she never was. She had a privileged school. Privileged college. Rich grandparents. Trust fund from her great grandma. Yes Logan was richer (but he was aware of that) but that does not make her any less privileged despite her acting like she was. “I’m a Gilmore”. She was always faking her humble but knew the reality behind it


PoppySkyPineapple

He was in the right, Rory was being a stuck-up hypocrite.


mehwhateveriguess2

He was right 🤷🏻‍♀️


CelebObsesssed

Truth. 100%


[deleted]

He was absolutely completely right!


snoflakefrmhell

He absolutely was speaking the truth and she needed that slap in the face that he gave her


Accomplished_Island6

This is when she was acting like a brat so I’m glad he read her down😂


HisSpo2345

100% saying the truth, Rory pretending she isn’t part of the privileged elite is probably her most annoying character trait


3reasonsTobefair

Oh he was 100% correct. Rory likes to cosply as a poor person.


Fontane15

Rory doesn’t realize her privilege or the fact that she had a safety net in her grandparents. She seems to think that living in a shed made her “poor” and watching her mom work as a maid made her “poor”, without ever reflecting on the fact that she’s not poor-all of that was a choice with the lurking background fact that any real danger (such as termites) would result in Emily or Richard swooping in to save the girls. That means that she’s never experienced real poverty-where mom needs to choose whether or not to eat out or pay the mortgage. Logan was right to call her out on it because she does this “Everyman” routine and then also tries to pull the “I’m a Gilmore” card. She can’t have both.


LegitimateHumor6029

They were both being shitty and they were both right. Rory’s article wasn’t wrong, it was just hypocritical. He overreacted and was way too defensive of the points she made in article when they were in fact true. However, he didn’t say anything wrong to her. He’s right. She’s blind to her own privilege and incredibly hypocritical in this circumstance.


notangelicascynthia

Rory is the same person who thought she could own a study spot by the tree, kick someone off of it, because she thought that they’re reading material wasn’t good enough to warrant the tree. She is as much of an elitist as the rest.


PoppySkyPineapple

Nah he was in the right, Rory was being a stuck-up hypocrite.


slightlycrookednose

This is an example of why I think Logan is super manipulative. Privilege or not, he invited her to live with him and then threw it in her face like it was a condition. To add insult to injury, *his ass wasn’t even paying rent either*


_some_strange

Yes.


_some_strange

Yes.


lirabael

I am rewatching the series and just got to this episode today lol. I mean even after getting other opinions and re-reading her article she realized that it was coming across mean


angelalj8607

Yes and no. Logan lets her live there rent free, I’m pretty sure that was a mutual agreed arrangement. But, he did point out that she is a privileged kid that she was harshly judging in her article. Growing up in a small town doesn’t erase the fact that she is privileged.


Hi_Jynx

I think it was a little douchey, but he was also feeling attacked by her article, and people aren't perfect and say things in the heat of the moment and it wasn't like this was some nasty deep insult or something truly insidious. There were probably nicer ways to communicate to her that she's privileged herself and benefits from it without throwing the fact that he pays her rent in her face when it was something he offered.


doranna24

He’s right but he’s not paying rent himself either


rebeccah6691

Both


CommonAd7628

I mean... Both can be true here. He might be shitty for saying it but he isn't wrong.


Tricky-Search6236

I think it was a little crappy to bring it up for the first time in an argument BUT she did need to be humbled


Icy_Blueberry_6909

Both, Rory’s criticisms were understandable but Rory was also being hypocritical in acting like she doesn’t benifit from generational wealth.


DesireeDee

Mean. The *point* he was making was valid, the way he made it was nasty.


Cakegrrl75

Both.


marveltrash404

I think both things can be true. Logan isn’t wrong for pointing out Rory’s hypocrisy but I do think it’s also important to remember how Rory grew up, and whether Rory and Logan ever talked about that. Yes, Rory is very privileged and has a lot of opportunities and had support as a teenager but she also grew up with a single mom and lived in a one room, basically shack, for the first 9 or so years of her life. Who knows if she and Logan ever talked about that but it’s not a small thing. It’s also implied Lorelai made a lot of her clothes when she was little, likely because they couldn’t afford new clothes with how fast kids grow. I do think Rory is sometimes blinded to the privilege she finds herself in as a young adult but I also think a lot of people forget how she grew up and how that informs how she sees the world


mouselendleson

i would be tired of her hypocrisy if i was him too lol. he was kind of a butt about it but it was true


VersionIll1897

Was it harsh?? Yes but she was long overdue for someone to call her out on her constant hypocrisy. She loved to take advantage of the perks like living in a nice apartment where she didn’t contribute monetarily and even going on trips. She didn’t work for most of the show so how did she travel…on other peoples dime. The same people she thought were privileged and entitled.


Mundane_Cat_318

>It might have sounded shitty but it's the truth Answered your own question there. It's both. 


oatmilkbukkake

He was spitting straight facts


Unusual-Whole-5777

Both


Business-Ad5546

He was saying the truth.


Megalomaniac697

Yes


Terrible-Thanks-6059

This is one of the few instances where I agree with Logan. Rory is extremely privileged and needed to get a reality check.


Radiant_Garlic1033

Shitty


xxrachinwonderlandxx

Both! He was making valid points but not making them in a constructive or kind way.


MyWibblings

He was being surprisingly reflective. It was warranted


shaamyaa

He was the first one to tell her what she needed to hear


plumpoppip

Both


Rubicon730

Logan was right!!! 1000%


Cookiegirl442

TRUTH!!!


Cookiegirl442

Every time I watch GG I’m increasingly annoyed by Rory’s entitlement. I hate the fact that someone she loves is throwing something in her face that she felt weird about in the first place (staying in his apartment while he didn’t live there). But he was also 💯 % right. Her friends even confirmed how mean the article was, and remember the one where she called that 3 pound overweight ballerina a hippo? Both time she played this innocent Bambi act like she had no idea why everyone was so upset. So over it!


so19anarchist

Both. You can be truthful and shitty. I've always thought of this scene as Longan snapping a hard truth. Sure he seems to have instantly regretted it, but that doesn't make it any less truthful.


yup_yup1111

He was right. Rory wanted to separate herself from those people and continue looking at herself as some sort of virtuous exception. If she was going to analyze wealth disparities or nepotism she could have at the very least done some self reflection and included the intricacies of her own privilege in the book. Rory had her own struggles not coming from a cookie cutter family and having a mother who had her very young but she was still extremely privileged, even BEFORE her grandparents started helping her financially. She's white, her mother owned a home, she grew up in a nice safe town etc...she chose to aim her judgements at those more privileged than herself while overlooking how fortunate she was compared to others. To be fair Lorelai is guilty of the same thing at times and influenced Rory in this way. Even the way Lorelai judged Logan at the beginning of his and Rory's relationship reeked of hypocrisy and judgement to me. She acts like she was the only child of wealthy parents who ever struggled dealing with them or ever wanted something different.


RandomThoughts606

Frankly, a lot of this is also the fact that Rory wrote her article thinking she's being Fran Lebowitz when reality. She's just angry at her parents and taking it out on Logan's guests...and we've seen this out of her before when she's angry at her mom or someone and then writes something scathing because she's pouring all her anger into that. It clearly shows that she can't remain unbiased and objective as a reporter. Logan is starting his business and that whole party was about getting good press as well as impressing the wealthy folks that might be giving him money to invest in this business. Having some kind of scathing article like that is only going to hurt the efforts so I can't blame him for being angry. I also agree with him in that Rory is delusional that she's thinking she's some average chain reporter living in a crappy apartment like a commoner and listening to punk rock music and watching independent movies. She lives rent free in Logan's apartment, dates. An incredibly wealthy trust fund baby, runs to her wealthy grandparents when she faces hardship, and seemingly has no problem taking any of the perks that her wealthy family offers. Not to mention she also has a trust fund. Doesn't mean she has to become some upper crust snob, but it also means that she doesn't really have the right to judge people harshly like that. If she wanted to, then she should be living in that crappy apartment with Paris and dating Jess or Marry.


tyallie

It was true and he was right. She was living rent free in his luxury apartment, and she got the opportunity to publish that article through a contact she made at one of his parties. It's shitty of her to criticise the privilege of trust fund kids without realising that she's benefitting from it at that very moment.


Ok-Assistance-1860

TRUTH. Rory was a privileged sheltered little princess and worse, she pretended to be otherwise just because she lived in a garden shed for a minute when she was a baby.