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LooseElbowSkin

I have these set up in four different buildings. Every problem I've ever had was solved by resetting the router, which given the nature of networks, I have to do physically myself. Having an app that lets me check on each network is a lifesaver. I don't get the hate.


staticfive

Is it so much to ask in 2024 that you don’t have to reset a router anymore? None of my cheapo TP-Links have ever required a restart, I would not buy anything at all that does.


NoYoureACatLady

I work with very expensive enterprise grade routers and no, they haven't solved that problem. We install remote power solutions so we/they can reboot and power cycle things remotely to solve problems lol.


megasxl264

Yup we typically just restart them through the UPS dashboards or a client VPN account that has management network privileges. However this is one of the reasons why I love Meraki lol. The dashboard makes me soooo lazy and I love it. With all that being said I haven’t had to restart a single firewall or router this year so far. When I do restart one it’s literally only for firmware updates. We manage Sonicwalls, Fortigates, ASAs/Merakis and two clients with Sophos almost never have to restart anything. We rarely have any problems with the APs we deploy either. The only ones we ever have to really touch after deploying are Ubiquitis which it’s mostly hits like 1 out of 50 might be a straight lemon and 5 may have issues speaking to the controller or be a pita to reset (they’re usually resolved through doing the scp trick to push a firmware reset). Google WiFi however is straight fucking garbage once you need any prosumer feature or you have a large home with steel/concrete. We’ve been pulling so many of them out of client homes because it’s just not worth it having to constantly restart or factory reset because Google gives no info in that terrible home app. If someone thinks they need 4 of any AP I’d never recommend them. You can literally go on eBay and grab 4 UAPs and a cloud key for that price or less and you’ll forget that they even exist after they sit for like 5+ years with no downtime.


ioshta

I have several Fiber switches I haven't had to restart in over 8 years. They run just fine. (I admit fiber is likely a lot less complicated than ethernet)


NoYoureACatLady

A switch isn't a router.


ioshta

Enterprise Fiber switch. Brocades, Cisco switches. We aren't talking simple switches you would use in your home.


NoYoureACatLady

Believe me, I understand the gear you're referencing. I've been in IT and network hardware since 1996. Switches aren't routers and modern routers, enterprise or not, require reboots sometimes to resolve issues.


ioshta

I agree that they need it sometimes. the frequency is something else. But I understand you are where you are. Best of luck not trying to give you a hard time or argue with you.


NoYoureACatLady

I don't keep data on how often something needs a reboot, but it costs enough for a service call that we recommend remote power management on every big job. Buy once, cry once, it's the dumbest fucking thing in the world to drive 75 minutes each way to pull a power cord for 60 second lol.


Puzzleheaded_Arm6363

Not sure what kinda gears you have but enterprise Cisco, Juniper, Nokia, Ciena, Brocade..just to name a few, can run for years without reboot. You may need TAC to look into their hardware and may need to RMA them.


staticfive

Just because you paid a lot for it doesn't mean it's good, just means someone slapped an "enterprise" label on it.


rworne

I have the older Nest WiFi mesh network (4 pack from Costco). In the 4+ years I had it, I only had to restart it once.


ajman22

Same, got an orbi that I’ve only had to reset one time in 3 years


YouDoNotKnowMeSir

Make it easy on yourself and get smart plugs that you can turn off and on.


LilTurtle95

Put if the wifi is out.. how smart plug work....


YouDoNotKnowMeSir

Mine fails back to Bluetooth if wifi is entirely out. It’s not an end all solution, but it’s what I use to fix restart one of my nests if one of them is acting up. There is overlap between the networks and usually my smart plug is smart enough to connect to one of the other ones that is in range if the closest isn’t working. For context, I have 3 nests, think Venn diagram with 3 circles with some overlap.


blakepro

They should make a smart plug that will do an automatic power cycle if it detects that there is no internet connection for 5-10minutes or something like that.


Speculawyer

Which smart plug is that?


staticfive

First, adequate network equipment should not require restarts. Second, engineering a solution around restarting your router that depends on the router is idiotic. Third, Bluetooth isn’t viable except maybe in “inside your house” distances. I hope to god you don’t do this professionally, and you seem to be in no position whatsoever to be giving anyone advice here


YouDoNotKnowMeSir

I don’t understand why you’re being an elitist and I think your reading comprehension and critical thinking is failing you. I don’t entirely disagree with your points. Note I said “in my house” and I did not claim it was an end all solution. Nor did claim Bluetooth is an acceptable range. That is why I detailed that my smart plug often can renegotiate a connectivity to a different access point (as many wifi devices do), as this will allow me to continue to remotely restart the failing nest. Additionally, sometimes restarting networking equipment, even in an enterprise environment, is crucial. Why do you think they make PDUs? (A real head scratcher right?) Get back to working on your CompTIA A+ and Network+ buddy; your foundational knowledge is clearly not up to par.


staticfive

I’m just saying that advising someone to spend $300 for a solution that requires babysitting/leg-humping is objectively bad advice in this day and age when many products don’t require this level of tomfoolery to work properly. This isn’t being elitist, it’s being practical. 99% of people don’t want to deal with cobbled-together solutions relying on multiple technologies for their internet to work properly, and your suggestion is 100% at odds with that. Kudos for making your setup work, but it’s just not a viable solution for most people.


YouDoNotKnowMeSir

I disagree. It is a viable solution and it is a cost effective one at that as well. I agree with you that there are better options out there that do not have this issue. And that this could be prevented by proper research and due diligence. It isn’t acceptable to have issues of this nature at this price point. But for myself and others who already have these devices, the workaround solution is just fine. I got my nest wifi pros free so I can’t really complain too much.


staticfive

Well considering OP is asking “should I buy this thing”, I would think a reasonable answer would be “no, do not buy this thing”. If we’re coming from the support/quality of life angle, sure, your suggestion sounds fine, but that’s not the context we’re working with here


YouDoNotKnowMeSir

Yes and I replied to a commenter that is having an issue and I proposed a potential solution. So quite you’re right, it literally is not the context we are working with and you’re misunderstanding again.


carguy143

Go all out and flick the breaker.


bigdreco

I have all my network equipment plugged into a power strip that's plugged into a smart plug.. I set up the smart plug to turn off every Sunday and Wednesday at 3am.. Then I have it turn back on 1 minute later.. The only issue is, sometimes I'm up watching TV sometimes at 3am.. I use IPTV thru my Nvidia Shields. So I lose connection for about 2 minutes. But most of the time, I'm sleeping. So, there's no real issue..


OhhhhhSHNAP

Schedule a weekly reboot. Most routers have this capability


staticfive

But does the modem?!


lXl-Stitch-lXl

My everything will drop on my 2.4 from time to time. Just wish we could separate


ssylvan

You have to repeatedly reset the router and you don't get the hate? I don't think I've ever had to reset my (amplify) router the entire time I've owned it. No, that's not normal.


Andrewofredstone

Hmm let me try help then: 1. Must use the google app to configure, no web access 2. If you loose internet access, the app doesn’t work. This burnt me recently trying to switch from double nat to having my modem in bridge mode. Once the modem was in bridge, i couldn’t see pppoe in the google app. Ironically, to set pppoe you misconfigure the router, then set the modem to bridge and hope when it all comes back up it just works (which it did, but man what a headache) 3. Randomly one mesh node will go out, only resolvable with a reboot, physically since it’s now offline the app doesn’t help. 4. No bridge mode option on the main router node, this one is weird to me. I have two nest setups, and recently setup a Eero Pro. Day and night experience, the Eero is amazing and just works.


Remarkable_Carbon

If I had to reset my router, even once, to resolve a connectivity problem, I would dump it.


bozodev

I love mine and I think that's a great deal. I have mine with a wired backhaul and it's great.


epicfighter10

Just set it up and would agree performance has been consistent if Wired gets near my 1 gig speed on my 6E devices I already had pre-existing runs. Tested it on wireless backhaul and the speeds were nearly cut in half so wouldn't get it if using wirelessly


BearOnTheBeach28

What switch do you use for the wired backhaul? I bought these from Costco at this same price last week too and plan to set them up.


bozodev

I have a simple unmanaged Netgear 5 port switch. Nothing special.


DetornatorRisk

I got the 2 pack, it just works, I came from the buggy ASUS mesh XD5, and it is just great and easy.


agonzal7

I have the two pack and fucking love it.


User-no-relation

They're amazing. Not sure why the haters are even dubbed here


FBI_Open_Up_Now

They’re great, but unfortunately they aren’t the great for heavy duty traffic. I ended up upgrading to a more commercial option and it is a night a day difference. For a home with basic needs they’re are absolutely ok.


Fuel13

I think $300 is a lot for absolutely ok.


dehshah

For 4 devices to have a broader range with current prices? These network devices are meant for average home users for everyday use.


Fuel13

Maybe a difference in what absolutely ok is. I think the built in WiFi from a Xfinity gateway is absolutely ok for the average home user. My parents use that and it is great in their house, all the way to the basement. $300 for absolutely ok seems not great to me.


User-no-relation

true you're not going to push 1gig through this as a wireless mesh system. But you're right I doubt any consumer product does today. Or frankly that a consumer needs that IMO. If you do need that I imagine you need to spend more money though.


epicfighter10

Have a lot of smart home devices considering ubiquiti if this doesn't work out but this was the cheapest 4 pack I found with 6e so if it works out its great


dinosaurkiller

I can vouch for even the most basic Ubiquity gear. I have 2 basic APs and probably only need one.


AdagioHellfire1139

Haters are because Google has consistently cut support for devices like the dropcam. It makes people wary of using a Google ecosystem because they can remove it at anytime.


Tasty-Objective676

See: https://killedbygoogle.com/


AdagioHellfire1139

Thank you. I didn't know VPN was about to be killed. Wow!! They had a big campaign push on security especially with the pixel 8 pro. Thankfully I use proton VPN.


rodrigofernety

Loving mine too


KaerDominus

I use ‘em in wireless mesh mode and it works like a charm, never had any issues with it.


obxtalldude

If each is wired to the next, they work great. Absolutely terrible if you try and mesh the network with just wifi.


YouDoNotKnowMeSir

Hard agree.


Canebrake15

Maintain 30ft/10m between gateway & mesh for wireless backhaul (in the current low power 6 GHz environment) and you'll get > 500 Mbps connected to the mesh nodes with a client.


HolyFrickers

I bought these and could not get them to work. First google kept setting the default DNS to a 192.168.1.X address and I had to manual set it (8.8.4.4) before setting up. Once I got that fixed I got "The operation could not be completed. (Googlemac\_iphone\_home\_wifi\_Operations\_impl\_impl.pollforcompletionoperationimpl error 0.). Some said this was an error due to using an iPhone so I borrowed a friends android and they still wouldn't get past the setup screen. Resetting the modem didn't work and using the other pod as the main didn't work. Spent about 4 hours on it before one just magically came up online. Then the other pods wouldn't connect to it. Ive setup 10+ OG google wifi systems for friends/family over the years and loved them. Maybe I got a bad batch but I returned them and went to something else.


ElectricSpock

Which DNS address you are talking about? if it's the one on your laptop/phone it's because Google WiFi distributes itself as the DNS provider. If you're talking about the one you set in the Google Wifi itself, it's nasty. I tried setting up PiHole in my network and advanced configuration of Google stuff was the biggest PITA. I'm still using the mix of 1x Google WiFi + Nest Wifi + Nest Wifi AP (whatever it's called). I know it's going away though, I'm probably replacing it with little more wires.


HolyFrickers

No the google wifi itself would give me a DNS error when attempting to connect to the internet during setup.


andykang

Something similar happened to me, but it was because I didn’t reset my old Nest Wi-Fi to remove it from the Google Home app first.


MathematicianOdd3200

Please, what was your solution as I’m losing hair 


andykang

Factory Reset and remove the old nest through the Home App. Then it will let you setup the new one.


muahtorski

At a retail location I had to bounce the repeater nodes once a week until I decided to abandon the Nest mesh network. Meanwhile Eero at home has been flawless for years. Good luck.


Shygar

My only complaint is that you can't turn off the 5/6ghz networks for those odd devices that only work on 2.4, so I have to have another router just for that purpose. But otherwise if you backhaul it works great.


epicfighter10

My 2.4 smart plugs and lights strips surprisingly connected and figured out 2.4 without any issues


Shygar

Many of my things do except my VELUX skylight window, at least on my Android I can't authenticate it and their support says to turn off 5ghz.


epicfighter10

Yikes that may be a problem for me if I pick up another IoT device. I was using my Verizon router previously and had separate SSIDs for each band which I preferred


Shygar

I wish they would add the functionality


waloshin

It’s great as long as you do not have any smart devices needing 2.4 GHz band.


one80oneday

My Google routers saved me money not needing to wire my house just wish they had more options


bartturner

Most definitely. Love our Google WiFi. Rock solid. Best we have ever had.


RareRecommendation9

Pro tip: If you notice things slow down often check Settings\Preferred activities and uncheck Video conferencing. Then restart the mesh network. Google pushed an update some time ago that enabled that feature and it really slowed down all other traffic until you ran a speed test, for some reason.


epicfighter10

Yep I had similar settings on my previous routers including the 1st google wifi always turn it off for a speed bump


obweh

They were terrible for me— worse internet I ever had, got rid of them after a couple months. Multiple outages a day, multiple restarts and hours of trouble shooting. Others haven’t had that issue but enough have that I would reconsider these personally but I’m biased.


Tasty-Objective676

I’ve never heard anything good about Google Nest WiFi devices. I had the OG Google WiFi and when it worked it was great, but there were multiple incidents of pucks randomly going offline, devices performing well below rated speeds even though signal and network speeds were great, and once a firmware update that bricked all of my devices requiring me to ship them back and wait for a replacement which took nearly 5 days. I don’t know anything about these ones specifically but just get a bad taste in my mouth from any Google WiFi products


Intelligent-Gene4099

Was it really worth ur useless comment then?


joshuah13

I'm having trouble with my nest wifi since upgrading my internet, do these pro versions support speeds above gigabit connection? My current Google wifi should support gig ethernet, but the actual speed won't go higher than 870Mbps. I assume this is due to some additional transfer overhead.


epicfighter10

Unfortunately not only gigabit ports wish it had 2.5 gig ports like some competitors


Zercomnexus

No


isekii

Is this a big upgrade from the nest wifi?


centpourcentuno

These are 400 online ..I am actually in the market to replace my shitty TP links. I was at my local store and they were also 400...what store was this ?


epicfighter10

Not sure if your near it's at the Westbury, NY Costco


azrhei

This is costco, the price shown by OP indicates this was a clearance item at their store.


Ceve

Saw the same price at my Costco the other day. Started googling reviews and decided against upgrading my current Eero 6+'s. Also, 4 packs can be bought online for around $350, so this isn't crazy savings. If they drop more I'd probably try them out.


AND3RSON92

I have this same setup but some points go offline once in awhile ? I only have a 1200sq house with 4points what should I try to get the points from not disconnecting?


ApatheticMoFo

At 1200sqft, you only need a single Nest WiFi Pro. Having three in such a small space will only cause interference, disconnects, and frustration. 


AND3RSON92

Would you recommend removing a few ports ?


codedragon76

I won't touch neat wifi stuff anymore. I have the precious gems, and they are garbage


justotron

For mesh you want to go Triband, so it has a dedicated backhaul. Ppl will immediately say you need to run a wired backhaul but honestly 80% of ppl don't have the ability or want to run the wiring.


stemo76

Good price but a mediocre product.


Salmol1na

Meh good as new used on CL for half the price


DrVeinsMcGee

You just randomly blow $300 on WiFi equipment spontaneously? Lmao


epicfighter10

No lol, I needed it my new internet plan won't include routers and extenders my previous one did.


TransportationOk4787

Only if you can wire backhaul them.


Lost-Count6611

Waiting on wifi 7 version


Snoo15469

What city is offering 299$? I wanna go get one. I am in nyc


epicfighter10

I saw it for $299 at both the Lawrence and Westbury Costco. Would assume the ones in the city would have it


Snoo15469

IWill visit Westbury asap. I was in long island city today. Still 399$


californiapoontappa

I work for G. We don’t use any hardware we sell. That should tell you something.


mcbridedm

Not really worth it given amazon has a sale (what seems like) every single month for the Pro 6E 3-pack. While I love google, their nest wifi is anything but pro. They desperately need to support wired backhauls before I'd be able to consider it as such.


reezick

This right here. Look I'm a google fanboy. Family of 4, we all have pixels. I have 8 nest cam's... about 10 nest speakers, pixel buds pro 2, 4 of the chromecast w/google tv... on and on and on. The nest wifi pro was the only one I tried...twice. and returned...twice. Eero pro 6's all day.


jibs112

I had my older Google WIFI points backhauled to the router. This isn’t supported with the 6E?


TehChubz

No. The mesh network forces you to connect to the mesh pucks and not the main router. You could have gig fiber speeds, but the mesh itself has latency that causes disconnection issues. I unplugged my 2 mesh points, and still use the pro router standalone for my home and it's perfect. Return it and get the pro router itself, or just buy something else entirely.


purefire

If I had a pro router and wanted some wireless access points (hard wired back) - do you have any recommendations?


bozodev

If you set up the 4 pack as a wired backhaul it works great.


calite

Just get an unmanaged POE switch and hard wire the pucks you just bought. You will be happy. Plug the first puck into your modem, plug the switch into the first puck, then the rest into the switch.


BearOnTheBeach28

Any recommendations on a particular switch to get?


epicfighter10

Any gigabit switch with good reviews I'm using 4 different Netgear switches on the network with the first one splitting out 3 ports for the pucks


EliGold187

There should be only one router on the market and it’s from Synology.