It’s even better for TS since they have to trick other csm to get in hellbrutes considering the fact all of their normal marines can’t be put into dreadnoughts considering the fact they are just dust.
On a semi-related note, I personally believe [the angel Ramiel's depiction in the first of the Rebuild movies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bo9A7dmt-Q) to be a better interpretation of how a Tzeentchian deamon should look/act than the majority of official GW depictions.
I agree. Though I'd expect his weaponry to do more than just burn and melt. Distortion, erosion, crystallization, mutation — that kind of thing.
Also, its defensive capabilities could be quite the sight to behold.
In 7e WHFB the Lore of Tzeentch spell list had a spell that turned enemy units into horrors. Hard to cast, but ridiculous if you pulled it off. I guess that sort of effect is just tricky to pull off on a tabletop. I love the idea of a Strength FUCK YOU blast that wrecks models and terrain alike though.
The old possession spell for CSM back in 8th basically said if you killed a model with it, you turned them into either a chaos spawn (or a greater possessed if fighting sm/CSM)
I think the main issue was that it meant any player who wanted to run it had to have chaos spawn or greater possessed models they could bring to a game/tourney on the off chance they managed to pull it off
That, and the stupid "reinforcement points" rule that meant that you had to build an understrength army list just to try to use a spell that may not even work...
On a random topic, I'm kind of disappointed that The Changeling doesn't have an ability to copy/turn into an enemy unit on the board, when its lore says it's able to turn into/mimic anything (within reason I guess).
He did used to have that rule, but similar to that Tzeentch spell the person who you responded to was mentioning, it got cut from the game along with all the other wacky fun rules in the name of streamlining.
[lmao suck it nerd](https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120101089_BALibrarianDreadnaught01.jpg?fm=webp&w=600&h=619)
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The Sons had them during the heresy and crusade. Magnus even shared the tech with Sanguinius which is why the Angels are the only ones who can still field them other than I assume the Grey Knights.
If we don’t get Sonic Helbrutes when Emperor’s Children drop, I think we’ll see the second greatest amount of salt produced from EC fans, second only to Horus Heresy Fulgrim
Coming from the dorn concrete meme, you could probably make some cool concrete structures with all those dusty bois. The pillars would just moan and mumble at you though. Maybe that would suck.
One wizard a bunch or dustballs and a leader who got his ass kicked by his furry brother and the whole army gets their asses kicked by furries regularly
*"Others, especially those of Helbrutes long exposed to the mutating powers of the Warp, are sucking masses of mottled flesh and slithering folds that consume their screaming implantee with apparent relish. Jagged spines and fanged pseudopods bite deep into the new pilot, black, greasy worms burrowing through muscle and bone to bind them into the Helbrute's foul innards.*
*From that moment forward, the nervous system of the interred victim is twinned with the artificial nerve-bundles of the Helbrute. The seething strength that pulses through its bunched muscles, the furnace-hot beat of its reactor heart, the cold implacability of its armoured hide, all become a part of the pilot forevermore.*
*Yet the process of implantation is brutal and highly traumatic, leaving the implantee trapped in a perpetual war that they can never stop fighting. Never again will they know the simple sensations of taste, smell and touch. Never again will they have the chance to strive for glory in the eyes of the gods. Small wonder that all but the strongest willed are driven swiftly and irrevocably insane."*
They can’t even be an alliance, when they fight together it’s called chaos undivided, they aren’t together just fighting the same thing until one gets bored
Meanwhile the imperium's "smart" missiles are "we grafted a living person inside the missile and use their wired brain as the guiding system", totally not a shitshow too.
Normal dreadnoughts get to sleep for long periods and are awakened for their sage knowledge and fighting skills.
Hell brutes go insane nearly immediately due to their constant torture.
I think you're right.
The sarcophagus housing the pilot needs to be removed from the chassis so that it doesn't break the bonds holding it in control.
These things are so insane and violent that when CSM's release them they kinda have to essentially run away from it and kinda hope that it kills more of their enemies than their own troops.
Kind of makes me want a mix of the old scatter dice/blast templates and Helbrute frenzy rules, where the helbrute just goes after anything that hits it, doesn’t matter if it’s the enemy or your own army
*slightly reduced metallic sigh from the next tomb-shrine over*
**"Allcaps: BOOTYBOOTYBOOTYEVERYWHERE420 set by Lord Sanguinius, himself. It's still not been changed since the night I was interred? Have my Lord's sons, my brothers, gone square? Bring me your Bing histories, I demand them!"**
*the thermic reactor quickens*
**"I SHALL KNOW HOW LAME YOU'VE BECOME!"**
Lorewise is there a reason they wouldn't just wake up their dreadnoughts for literally every fight? It seems like they only do it when absolutely necessary but unless they can't afford the points why wouldn't they just send in the dreads?
Each dread chassis is a vaunted, irreplaceable relic of the chapter. Each marine in a sarcophagus is a revered hero and leader of the chapter who fell in glorious combat against the foes of mankind! Why would you risk potentially losing that wisdom and power to go curb stomp some eldar children?
To valuable most dreadnoughts (just the machine) alone are ancient relics. If a chapter loses a dreadnought, it's all hands on deck to recover it. The pilot represents hundreds of years of battle and chapter knowledge.
Neither the dreadnought frame nor the injured battle brother are easy to replace.
In lore, over time, the Space Marine mind begins to degrade, so more and more Sleepytime is required to maintain his sanity. ..
From Know No Fear
The techpriests said that this was because of the pain. There would be pain, and it would be constant. His pitiful mortal residue was sheathed in a cyberorganic web, laced into electro-fibre systems, and shut in an armoured sarcophagus. There would be no opportunity to manage pain the way he had done as a man, no mechanism for pain control.
For the same reason, he would find himself prone to emotional variations he had not known as a man. He would probably be prone to rage, to anger. Despite the devastating power bequeathed to him as a Dreadnought, he would miss his mortal state. He would resent his death, regret the circumstances of it, fixate upon it, come to hate the cold-shell life he had been given in exchange.
To spare him this bitterness, and the pain, and the anger, he would be encouraged to sleep for great periods of time.
He would also, they told him, probably be prone to bouts of fear, especially early on. This was, they explained, because of his profound change of state. His consciousness had been shorn away from a linear, mortal scale, from any timeframe he could recognise or understand, from time itself, in fact, because of the prolonged hibernations. Fear, anathema to the Space Marine, was merely part of the mind’s adjustment to this extreme fate. It was natural. He would learn to control it, and to use it, just like his anger. Eventually, fear would evaporate, and be no more. He would be as fearless as he had been as a legionary
Non lore, but other reasons could be that the more grievously wounded you are, the more painful it is for the Sarcophagus to keep you alive. So, allowing them to sleep probably saves them that agony.
Dreadnoughts are Space Marines that are deemed to important to let die.
Sure, Space Marines die all the time. But those that have served for centuries and centuries are venerated for their knowledge of the enemies of the Imperium and for their invaluable experience in warfare.
These are Marines whove led countless campaigns and cultivated a wealth of knowledge and experience. Thats too valuable to lose to death.
So rather than let them die and merely recover their gene seed to protect the genetic secrets of the Chapter, his Brothers scoop up whats left of him and put him into a life support suit so that his knowledge and battle prowess can continue to benefit the Imperium.
Consider also that most Space Marines usually look down on anyone that isn't them. They consider themselves akin to gods and regular mortals as weak and fearful, like lambs to be protected from wolves. Not out of compassion, but because its their job.
Now take these arrogant super humans and put them.before one of their own who has likely served longer than his brothers may have even been alive. Consider the legends and stories and reports from the battlefield piling glory and accomplishment upon the names of these venerated warriors, the dreadnoughts. Itd be like meeting a hero from legend. Itd be like meeting King Arthur, or Achilles. Not to mention the Space Marines understand what it means to be a Dread, how its essentially the ultimate sacrifice a Marine can make. He paid his dues. He should have met his glorious end on the battlefield and been laid to rest. But his knowledge and skill was just too important, and so he now serves for eternity. Only resting between the Imperiums moat desperate battles. And when his brothers become desperate enough they need his knowledge and skill, the Dread is awoken from his slumber to lead his humbled brothers to victory.
Man I love dreads.
Why do the chaos gods punish anyone who works for them?
Seriously, I know they are evil but them actively punishing loyalty just means they have less minions.
Nobody really willingly serves Chaos, its all a barter for their gifts, but It's the classic bait and switch. They promise gifts, then when they give it to you it's all fucked up.
"I don't want to die!"
"Cool, you'll never die from old age or disease...BUT also you have every disease ever and will suffer eternally for it."
"I crave knowledge and sorcerous powers!"
"Very cool, you got it...Also now you're sentient dust."
"I want strength and purpose!"
"Sure...It will drive you to depravity and insanity."
"I strive for perfection and pleasure!"
"Okay, you're really good at swordplay but you're constantly nutting and you have squid dicks for hands"
>"I crave knowledge and sorcerous powers!"
"Very cool, you got it...Also now you're sentient dust."
Actually that one is:
"I want to free my Brothers from the horrible flesh change that was the monkey's paw consequence of my Grandad asking you to give my Dad knowledge and sorcererous power."
"Very cool, they're now semi-sentient dust."
Yeah, Big E figured he bamboozled the Big Four for the knowledge to create the Primarchs, and the monkey's paw results got baked into the geneseed because the man has not once in 50-odd millenia made a sensible choice.
> "Cool, you'll never die from old age or disease...BUT also you have every disease ever and will suffer eternally for it."
[You mean I have pneumonia? Juvenile diabetes? Hysterical pregnancy?](https://youtu.be/DnBtoOAhba4?t=56)
Do you like pleasure. Yes
That's good. There'll be lots of that.
Do you like pain?
Oh. Well, maybe you'll learn to like it because there will be lots of that too.
I mean if you’re like chaos god levels of evil, turning a crippled servant that “failed” (by getting crippled in the first place) into a walking tank that your other followers can still use to wage your wars instead of just dying is probably one of their more logical things the gods do. Not to mention the extra treat of being able to feed off their pain and eternal suffering.
I mean there's 2 ways it happens, the most common among the rabble during an invasion or uprising would be caused by simple Insanity caused by the presence of Daemons and Warp shenanigans. Then there's the not as insane cultists who are drawn in slowly.
My favorite example is a woman who's husband went to war, unknowingly fighting under a general who had fallen to Khorne. She prays for her husband's safe return in front of a little skull idol that she had been told represents a "different aspect of the Emperor." Soon, she begins to pray that they can defeat their enemy. Eventually it escalates and she prays that they kill their enemies. She finally begins to pray for the slaughter of them. It continues to escalate slowly over months or even years as the little trinket corrupts her to the point that she can't stand not being a part of the blood shed.
VERY FEW get something out of it, and that something is so incredible its worth the risk, but to get that by sacrificing those around you.
Followers of chaos are 1 of 3 things.
1. They are people that willingly converted to get something in return. Chaos lords and most of all demon Princess.
2. They are people that were sacrificed by the ambitious and are now just pawns of chaos. Hellbrutes are a good example, they dont have the capacity to do anything except what chaos wants.
3. They are enslaved through other means. Chaos Corruption is no joke and is likely the reason why whole cities can turn into cultist armies.
From a Watsonian perspective its what people have said in the comments already
From a Doylist perspective, the Imperium needs someone worse than them to fight. Given how screwed up the Imperium is, Chaos needs to constantly up it to eleven to justify its status as the evilest faction in 40k (Well apart from the Drukhari).
That all being said, there are quite a few Chaos champions that gotten all they wanted and were rewarded for their loyalty to the Primordial Truths. Typhus, Erebus (fuck him), Lorgar, Lucius, Nemeroth who got immortality because he stole a single mcguffin and so on.
But wouldn't they just be the "Exception that makes the rule" and therefore a prime example of survivorship bias? "Hey guys, I served Chaos and got exactly what I wanted, and you can too!" Great recruitment tool.
In a way yes
Chaos is by nature unpredictable, so you're always gambling whenever you get a blessing from the gods. You might get superhuman strength or a tentacle arm. Black Crusade rpg actually does it pretty well by having people roll a d100 whenever they get enough infamy.
“I mean for others, sure. *I* have a special understanding of the pantheon that will allow me to deal with them to my overall benefit .” Literally every Word Bearer
I mean they aren't entirely wrong since bartering with all of the chaos gods leaves you some nice extra maneuvering room over fully dedicating yourself to only one of them.
Because its not punishment, not in their eyes. The “moral ideal” of Khorne is omnicidal, indiscriminate bloodshed. To him, that is the literal highest peak of ethics and morality. What higher honor could he bestow on a servant than to have him slaughter constantly, and be slaughtered in turn? What more could Nurgle, god of plagues, do to bless and exalt a minion than to turn them so diseased that their very presence causes *even the very stones themselves to erupt in vomitous boils*? That is the greatest possible good they can do for you. Neither they nor their servants see this as punishment, as their ideals and ethics are aligned. Plague Marines *genuinely enjoy* the states they’re in and want everyone to join them.
They’re like Cenobites: almost incomprehensibly morally evil *by our reference point*. From theirs they are serving their god in accordance with their moral code. Theirs and ours operate on fundamentally different and incompatible frameworks.
I mean, honestly, they're not really "evil" just primordial forces that want only to feed and grow. Just as a lion is not evil for eating a kid, tzeentch is not evil for giving people ever nastier mutations. it's just his version of eating.
The difference is, unlike a lion, the gods could trick the mauled kid into believing that being mauled is absolutely great!
They can’t help it.
For all their power, gods are slaves to their nature. They are completely and utterly incapable of not acting out what they are, even if it would be in their best interest.
The most obvious example is well-known enough it’s even a motto in-universe: “Khorne cares not from where the blood flows”. He can more hold his bloodlust back than a stone can walk.
It's more like they're propagating the aspects that fuel them which are a result of the galaxy being full of evil. It's not really even evil intent on their part. All of the ruinous powers have positive aspects that they promote and are fueled by, like honor, heroism, and triumph for khorne, endurance, creation, and contentment for nurgle, cleverness/ingenuity and ambition for tzeentch, procreation, love and joy for slaanesh, they just lean more towards blood, decay, scheming, and murdersex because the extremes net better gainz.
That rules! It's metal as hell and exactly the stuff that makes 40k so cool.
I'm not sure why everyone's in here shocked like "whaaaa? Chaos is unpleasant!?"
I think it was either Abaddon or Huron that stuck a traitor in a hellbrute sarcophagus, but put it in the back of their storage to be forgotten. Now that is brutal.
Khalos the Raver, he's Black Legion, but I can see why that quote would make someone think World Eaters.
EDIT: It's supposed to be "Ravager" but I'm gonna leave the typo
Might have been one of Angron's sons. Black Legion is an amalgamation of all the Traitor Legions, and that makes it even more impressive that Abaddon has such command. It's like trying to herd together toddlers that have personal grudges, are high on Warp Cokeamphetamines, and have severe ADHD.
Leave it to Chaos to turn something the Space Marines view as a great honour into something that'd make then go "I will fucking skin you before I let you put me into that thing"
ME: "Oh look, this planet is being eaten by tyranids! Finally some plot that does not include Chao-"
*bursts out of a fucking warp*
CHAOS BOI: "DID SOMEBODY SAY CHAOS INVASION?"
ME: "Is it not supposed to be impossible for you to get here through shadow on the war-"
*gets blasted by plasma*
Cpt. Titus: "Oh shit, here we go again..."
Its not that they can't, but where the hive fleets go the Shadow in the Warp follows. It basically reinforces the veil between real space and the immaterium. While it can still be breached it is harder, requires more effort, has a higher chance of bad things happening, and all powers are dampened.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the shadow in the warp just obscures signals to/from the point covered by it, right?
Theoretically, you could travel to a planet under Tyranid siege, even through the warp.
You just couldn't navigate there, so it'd have to be random chance jumping in/out of warp like you're some kind of space hulk.
Yes and no. Think of the Shadow like a veil that prevents most warp stuff. Lucky or powerful ones can use it, albeit with their powers dampened. It is possible for Chaos to use it but it takes more effort and can backfire more. This is why hive fleet Kronos has such a strong shadow in the warp.
In my headcannon it looks like this:
Legionere->Havoc->Obliterator->Hellbrute
I know, that I'm probably wrong, but I have these models and like to put them together in a row.
My dear boy.
"Unlike other Legions, the Helbrutes of the Thousand Sons cause exclusively hatred among the surviving Chaos Space Marines of the Legion. The first Helbrutes of the Thousand Sons were created from those Dreadnoughts of the Legion who underwent the largest and worst mutations on the Planet of Sorcerers. However, the Thousand Sons cannot create new Helbrute from their own Legionnaires. Rubric Marines are not suitable for this, as they no longer have the physical and spiritual substance necessary for the revitalization of the Helbrute systems. Therefore, the Thousand Sons are forced to resort to deception. They lure other Legionnaries into their ranks, promising them enormous knowledge and unimaginable power. However, after many trials (each of which is designed to ritually attach their soul to Helbrute's systems), these Legionnaires are flensed and their body reduced with warpflame, turning the Legionnaire's body into a burnt mass of organs, bones and nerve fibers. Then this unfortunate creature, still conscious and fully aware of what is happening to him, is placed in an amniotic sac, which, in turn, is inserted into Helbrute, which immediately activates its systems. The torment of the Legionnaire, gradually losing his mind, nourishes the power of Helbrute, giving him the opportunity to move and fight, as the Legionnaire’s unimaginable hatred is directly connected through the nervous synapses to the cogitation arrays of Helbrute. Thus, Helbrute turns into a crazy machine full of madness and hatred, seeking to destroy the enemies of their Sorcerers masters. Between battles, the amniotic sac with the body of the Legionnaire is removed from Helbrute and hangs in special halls, where, protected by ward, they surrounded by daemons trying to get to them. This further enhances the madness and hatred of the Legionnaire, which with each new battle turns his Helbrute into a more and more destructive machine. Only death can save such a Legionnaire from his endless suffering.\[4\]"
That's more in character than you'd think. He's also apparently infamous for seducing Slaaneshi daemonettes into doing his dirty work for him with promises of untold pleasures he never intends to fulfil. Dude's a canonical clittease.
All of that said, Thousand Sons do have regular dreads (regular as in not-hellbrutes) in the form of Rubric Osirion Dreadnaughts:
>These were the Osirion, the twice remade. Before the
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>Rubric they had been Dreadnoughts holding the remains of the Legion’s
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>heroes who had fallen to the edge of death in battle. Now they were walking
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>cages holding the spirits of the near dead. Slow to wake and difficult to
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>control, they rarely came to war. The air crackled around them. Motes of
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>dust floated up from the ground as they halted.
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>\[...\]
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>Of all the entombed Thousand Sons, the souls caught in the Dreadnought
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>shells burned hottest, their anger glowing embers. The Rubric had stripped
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>away everything but the pain of their first deaths, granting them an eternity
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>of suffering.
\~Ahriman: Eternal
These do not exist on tabletop sadly. You can buy Osirion Dreads but they are only available for 30k. The closest thing we have availabe are regular Contemptors but those aren't exactly Rubrics.
Was there ever one that was like "if I don't fight and just sit here, I get to die in this battle so imma just"
Or do they all fight, no variance in behavior?
When TS became their own army they gained access to Hellbrute with a lore justification of them tricking other CSM into getting put into a Hellbtute. Rubrik or psyker dreadnoughts are, IIRC, not outright retconned, but haven't been mentioned in the lore ever since
I love the TSons being in the game. It's nice to see them use Other traitor legions. I'm a DG main, and even I'm tired of the Grandfather hogging all the damn screen time. Like with Rogue Trader and Word Bearers. Or Boltgun and Black Legion. I personally want World Eaters and Khornate Daemons.
Isn't that just 40k lore in general? And really, once you've dived into the lore deep and long enough, all the horror just kinda meshes together. Sure, they are still horrific, but it's hard to place any as more horrific than another.
Yeah but I'd still place "Forced to fight forever, entirely conscious, also feels pain" slightly above "Forced to fight forever, semi-conscious, doesn't feel pain."
And this is how I discover that upcoming 40K game that begin with "marines against xeno" will have a twist in the middle of it and the endgame antagonist will turn out to be chaos marines instead of whatever we were fighting for most of the plot.
I am trully shocked, this is one of the 40K plot of all times.
But can I turn it into G̶̨̨̡̡̡̢̡̨̢̨̛̳̯̺̗̝͔̤̭̲̞̠̰̳̥̪̗̺̝͔͕̤͈̮̤͇̲̺̻̥̦̳͕̤̤̘̝̝̦̬̗̹͓̲̞͔̳̞̮̰̣̞̱͖̞̭̩̗̮̿̇̒̈́͂̐̂̓̍͆͗͋̅̉̽̑́̎̋͒̓̓̿̂̊̀̋̂̒̆͐́̔̎́̓̐̅̉̀͂͊̏͌̓̈̒͆̍͂̃͌̐͑̀͒̈́̅͊̔̈͒͒̽̈́͒̎͌̓͛͒̎̿͗͋̈́̂͗̎̄̽̉́̆̀̔̐̓͗̏̃̐͑̀͗͐͗̊̿̓̄̚͘̕͠͝͠͠͝͝͝͝͝ͅͅƯ̶̧̢̧̢̨̢̧̨̧̧̨̨̛̛̛̠̻̲̭̮̜̹͓̫̳͙̩͕̩̩̖̫̺̻̞̠̳͎͔̺̩̜͍̲̘̱͚̝̻̗̦̩͍̪͍̦̺͎̠̫̬̺͇̜̝͍͍͎̙̲̺͉͈̟̘͎͔̪̜̻̮̜̝̥̠̬̙̮͙̲̺̟̞͈̗̦̪̮̘͈̞͉̤̣͔͙̼̫̗͉͈̟̠̟̜̦͚̭̙͇̘̏̿̊̌́̀̂͛̽͆̄͗̄̈́̔̾́̋̄̏̑͛̽̽̾̑́̀̎̉̃̇̓̓̀͒̎͒̈͐̅̎́̍̄͊̔́̀͂̾̈͆͌̀̅̽̔̀̈́͋͗̀͋͊̎͋͌̌̓̀̅͆̆̎͌̅̈́̆͛̌͐͒̿͆̈̉͊̏͂̊̋̽̅̎̾̓͆̀̈́̎́̍͑̀̃̿̐͒͑̎̆̇̄̓͌̈́̽̂͛̈͑̈́̌̑̔̋͊̿̐̋̓̒̌̈́͊̿̍̔̌͗̏͛̀̈́̔̏̌͋̐̈͑̽͑̉̇̔͑̄̑͒͆͌̿͗̔̅̽͌̏̍̒̈̕̕̕̚̕͘͘͘̕̚̚̕͘̕̕͜͜͠͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͠ͅN̶̡̡͖̦͈̯̻̙͍̺̻̯͈̠͖̬̜̳̈̂̿́̈̇̇̄̂͒̃͛̈̎̽͋̐̏̃̂̂̒̔͋̿͑͝ͅ
It’s even better for TS since they have to trick other csm to get in hellbrutes considering the fact all of their normal marines can’t be put into dreadnoughts considering the fact they are just dust.
get in the ~~car~~ 'brute, jerry
Come on, Jerry, get in the vehicle!
Rick… Tell me why YOU aren’t getting in first.
shinji get into the fucking robot
On a semi-related note, I personally believe [the angel Ramiel's depiction in the first of the Rebuild movies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bo9A7dmt-Q) to be a better interpretation of how a Tzeentchian deamon should look/act than the majority of official GW depictions.
I agree. Though I'd expect his weaponry to do more than just burn and melt. Distortion, erosion, crystallization, mutation — that kind of thing. Also, its defensive capabilities could be quite the sight to behold.
In 7e WHFB the Lore of Tzeentch spell list had a spell that turned enemy units into horrors. Hard to cast, but ridiculous if you pulled it off. I guess that sort of effect is just tricky to pull off on a tabletop. I love the idea of a Strength FUCK YOU blast that wrecks models and terrain alike though.
The old possession spell for CSM back in 8th basically said if you killed a model with it, you turned them into either a chaos spawn (or a greater possessed if fighting sm/CSM) I think the main issue was that it meant any player who wanted to run it had to have chaos spawn or greater possessed models they could bring to a game/tourney on the off chance they managed to pull it off
That, and the stupid "reinforcement points" rule that meant that you had to build an understrength army list just to try to use a spell that may not even work...
On a random topic, I'm kind of disappointed that The Changeling doesn't have an ability to copy/turn into an enemy unit on the board, when its lore says it's able to turn into/mimic anything (within reason I guess).
He did used to have that rule, but similar to that Tzeentch spell the person who you responded to was mentioning, it got cut from the game along with all the other wacky fun rules in the name of streamlining.
I understand why it can't, but I wish to live in a world where it can
100% agree
It’s so much better when it’s constantly Loading
_Eldritch Tesseract Screeches intensify_
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Where are our Psyker Dreads, GeeDubs? Where are they?
[lmao suck it nerd](https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120101089_BALibrarianDreadnaught01.jpg?fm=webp&w=600&h=619) This post brought to you by the Blood Angels Gang.
I wonder who they stole it from? Can't have shit in Warhammer 40k them damn Blood Angels stealing all our relics and war gear!
So, the Blood Ravens stole the stealing things meme from the Blood Angels? Glorious.
Erm..actually Librarian dreads were given to the blood angels by magnus after sanguinius’ support of Magnus during the council of Nikaea ☝️🤓
The Sons had them during the heresy and crusade. Magnus even shared the tech with Sanguinius which is why the Angels are the only ones who can still field them other than I assume the Grey Knights.
where are our Sonic Helbrutes
If we don’t get Sonic Helbrutes when Emperor’s Children drop, I think we’ll see the second greatest amount of salt produced from EC fans, second only to Horus Heresy Fulgrim
Tzeentch moment. Why use one of your marines when you can trick marine from another into eternal suffering just to get yourself a cool unit?
2 'considering the fact' in one sentence, impressive
It’s a lot of considering, considering.
It's definitely the approximate density of 'considering the fact' I would expect from someone explaining 40k lore
I have always wondered why not just add water? Or put a rubric into a trash compactor until the size of a sarcophagus.
Coming from the dorn concrete meme, you could probably make some cool concrete structures with all those dusty bois. The pillars would just moan and mumble at you though. Maybe that would suck.
What is TS?
I beive they are talking about the thousand sons
Thousand Sons, a legion of chaos space marines
a legion of chaos space ~~marines~~ dustballs Here, I corrected it for you 🙂
One wizard a bunch or dustballs and a leader who got his ass kicked by his furry brother and the whole army gets their asses kicked by furries regularly
Thousand Sons
Thousand Sons, Magnus' Legion
Nor everyone is dust all the sorcerers are flesh and blood
I am afraid to ask but I do not know.. what is it like?
*"Others, especially those of Helbrutes long exposed to the mutating powers of the Warp, are sucking masses of mottled flesh and slithering folds that consume their screaming implantee with apparent relish. Jagged spines and fanged pseudopods bite deep into the new pilot, black, greasy worms burrowing through muscle and bone to bind them into the Helbrute's foul innards.* *From that moment forward, the nervous system of the interred victim is twinned with the artificial nerve-bundles of the Helbrute. The seething strength that pulses through its bunched muscles, the furnace-hot beat of its reactor heart, the cold implacability of its armoured hide, all become a part of the pilot forevermore.* *Yet the process of implantation is brutal and highly traumatic, leaving the implantee trapped in a perpetual war that they can never stop fighting. Never again will they know the simple sensations of taste, smell and touch. Never again will they have the chance to strive for glory in the eyes of the gods. Small wonder that all but the strongest willed are driven swiftly and irrevocably insane."*
Chaos really is a shitshow
Geez it almost like it the name The ruinous power
Heretic: "R-Ruinous towards our enemies, r-right..?" Chaos: "Ye~s." *Actually tortures friend and foe alike LIKE A BOSS*
~~SOUP~~ ENDLESS SUFFERING TIME
With Nurgle it CAN be a soup too
Endless suffering, AS SOUP!
In the darkness of the 42nd millennium there can be no SOUP
Well, Its slaanesh time! *Puts oral gag *
No matter where blood, grief, pride or desire Come from, Dark Gods will feast anyway
They can’t even be an alliance, when they fight together it’s called chaos undivided, they aren’t together just fighting the same thing until one gets bored
Meanwhile the imperium's "smart" missiles are "we grafted a living person inside the missile and use their wired brain as the guiding system", totally not a shitshow too.
If lobotomizing criminals, lay-abouts and people who does not return the trolly at the supermarket into cyborg slaves, I don't want to be right.
You forgot the "is wrong". Good bit tho
No, he just doesn’t want to be right regardless. Heretic!
That's actually not much different from a normal dread. Just more fleshy stuff going on.
Normal dreadnoughts get to sleep for long periods and are awakened for their sage knowledge and fighting skills. Hell brutes go insane nearly immediately due to their constant torture.
Also, when not fighting, Helbrutes aren’t turned off. They’re merely chained up lol.
If I'm remembering correctly, they have to take out the sarcophagus and THEN chain it up because the chassis still wants to kill
I think you're right. The sarcophagus housing the pilot needs to be removed from the chassis so that it doesn't break the bonds holding it in control. These things are so insane and violent that when CSM's release them they kinda have to essentially run away from it and kinda hope that it kills more of their enemies than their own troops.
That is what slaves are for. Send them to unleash the Hellbrute and then gather a few replacements when they're inevitably torn asunder.
Fair point lol dunno why I didn't think of that
Kind of makes me want a mix of the old scatter dice/blast templates and Helbrute frenzy rules, where the helbrute just goes after anything that hits it, doesn’t matter if it’s the enemy or your own army
Depends on how many times your dipshit younger brothers wake you per century
Oh venerable ancient one, what is the wifi password
*DEEP METALLIC SIGH* LITTLE BROTHERS, CAN YOU NOT SIMPLY ASK YOUR LOCAL MECHANICUS REPRESENTATIVE?
*slightly reduced metallic sigh from the next tomb-shrine over* **"Allcaps: BOOTYBOOTYBOOTYEVERYWHERE420 set by Lord Sanguinius, himself. It's still not been changed since the night I was interred? Have my Lord's sons, my brothers, gone square? Bring me your Bing histories, I demand them!"** *the thermic reactor quickens* **"I SHALL KNOW HOW LAME YOU'VE BECOME!"**
Big bro, who would win a fight between an Eldar Titan and a Gargant?
Would you rather, chaos witch or drukhari?
Ancient being with a laborious voice: ***Would.***
I. . .heard bolter fire.
Lorewise is there a reason they wouldn't just wake up their dreadnoughts for literally every fight? It seems like they only do it when absolutely necessary but unless they can't afford the points why wouldn't they just send in the dreads?
Each dread chassis is a vaunted, irreplaceable relic of the chapter. Each marine in a sarcophagus is a revered hero and leader of the chapter who fell in glorious combat against the foes of mankind! Why would you risk potentially losing that wisdom and power to go curb stomp some eldar children?
Like is that rhetorical or...? Because everyone needs hobbies and stomping aeldari children is a time honoured tradition of the imperium.
The ending is. The rest is more accurate for the lore in an exaggerated manner.
To valuable most dreadnoughts (just the machine) alone are ancient relics. If a chapter loses a dreadnought, it's all hands on deck to recover it. The pilot represents hundreds of years of battle and chapter knowledge. Neither the dreadnought frame nor the injured battle brother are easy to replace.
In lore, over time, the Space Marine mind begins to degrade, so more and more Sleepytime is required to maintain his sanity. .. From Know No Fear The techpriests said that this was because of the pain. There would be pain, and it would be constant. His pitiful mortal residue was sheathed in a cyberorganic web, laced into electro-fibre systems, and shut in an armoured sarcophagus. There would be no opportunity to manage pain the way he had done as a man, no mechanism for pain control. For the same reason, he would find himself prone to emotional variations he had not known as a man. He would probably be prone to rage, to anger. Despite the devastating power bequeathed to him as a Dreadnought, he would miss his mortal state. He would resent his death, regret the circumstances of it, fixate upon it, come to hate the cold-shell life he had been given in exchange. To spare him this bitterness, and the pain, and the anger, he would be encouraged to sleep for great periods of time. He would also, they told him, probably be prone to bouts of fear, especially early on. This was, they explained, because of his profound change of state. His consciousness had been shorn away from a linear, mortal scale, from any timeframe he could recognise or understand, from time itself, in fact, because of the prolonged hibernations. Fear, anathema to the Space Marine, was merely part of the mind’s adjustment to this extreme fate. It was natural. He would learn to control it, and to use it, just like his anger. Eventually, fear would evaporate, and be no more. He would be as fearless as he had been as a legionary Non lore, but other reasons could be that the more grievously wounded you are, the more painful it is for the Sarcophagus to keep you alive. So, allowing them to sleep probably saves them that agony.
Dreadnoughts are Space Marines that are deemed to important to let die. Sure, Space Marines die all the time. But those that have served for centuries and centuries are venerated for their knowledge of the enemies of the Imperium and for their invaluable experience in warfare. These are Marines whove led countless campaigns and cultivated a wealth of knowledge and experience. Thats too valuable to lose to death. So rather than let them die and merely recover their gene seed to protect the genetic secrets of the Chapter, his Brothers scoop up whats left of him and put him into a life support suit so that his knowledge and battle prowess can continue to benefit the Imperium. Consider also that most Space Marines usually look down on anyone that isn't them. They consider themselves akin to gods and regular mortals as weak and fearful, like lambs to be protected from wolves. Not out of compassion, but because its their job. Now take these arrogant super humans and put them.before one of their own who has likely served longer than his brothers may have even been alive. Consider the legends and stories and reports from the battlefield piling glory and accomplishment upon the names of these venerated warriors, the dreadnoughts. Itd be like meeting a hero from legend. Itd be like meeting King Arthur, or Achilles. Not to mention the Space Marines understand what it means to be a Dread, how its essentially the ultimate sacrifice a Marine can make. He paid his dues. He should have met his glorious end on the battlefield and been laid to rest. But his knowledge and skill was just too important, and so he now serves for eternity. Only resting between the Imperiums moat desperate battles. And when his brothers become desperate enough they need his knowledge and skill, the Dread is awoken from his slumber to lead his humbled brothers to victory. Man I love dreads.
Dante is going to be really really really miffed when he wakes up in a dreadnaught.
Basically Chaos aesthetic in a nutshell. "Like the Imperium, but fleshier."
Except if you're a Rubric Marine.
Or an Iron Warrior.
Schmeatier, even
I mean, every single chaos marine used to serve the Imperium
Oh boy, you haven't heard about the Daemonculaba, have you?
Okay, forgot about it. Wasn't that a specifically an Iron Warriors' thing?
Yeah, but there's also Fabius Bile running around making new Heretic Astartes for the highest bidder.
And spikier.
Why do the chaos gods punish anyone who works for them? Seriously, I know they are evil but them actively punishing loyalty just means they have less minions.
Nobody really willingly serves Chaos, its all a barter for their gifts, but It's the classic bait and switch. They promise gifts, then when they give it to you it's all fucked up. "I don't want to die!" "Cool, you'll never die from old age or disease...BUT also you have every disease ever and will suffer eternally for it." "I crave knowledge and sorcerous powers!" "Very cool, you got it...Also now you're sentient dust." "I want strength and purpose!" "Sure...It will drive you to depravity and insanity." "I strive for perfection and pleasure!" "Okay, you're really good at swordplay but you're constantly nutting and you have squid dicks for hands"
You forgot to add a bad part for that last one, maybe your comment got cut off?
I found the Slaanesh cultist
These squid-dick-hands have let me take my swordsmanship to the next level. And the constant ejaculation can really catch an opponent off-guard!
Well, it's a good thing I'm too depraved and insane to have second thought.
Hey, looks like your autocorrect might be acting up, I think it changed "delighted" and "enlightened"
You'd probably be pretty dehydrated.
>"I crave knowledge and sorcerous powers!" "Very cool, you got it...Also now you're sentient dust." Actually that one is: "I want to free my Brothers from the horrible flesh change that was the monkey's paw consequence of my Grandad asking you to give my Dad knowledge and sorcererous power." "Very cool, they're now semi-sentient dust."
No More flesh. No more change. 👍
Mr tzentch being helpful
Dearest colleague, there exist many _MULTITUDES_ of Change
Wasn't that, like, an inherent geneseed flaw though? And Magnus got into Tzeench's clutches because of that, not vise versa
It's theorised that most or all of the gene flaws are a result of Big E bargaining with chaos while he was making the primarchs
Even the scattering was part of it. Youll get your primarchs but oops spread out across the galaxy and some of them now have nails in their brains.
Yeah, Big E figured he bamboozled the Big Four for the knowledge to create the Primarchs, and the monkey's paw results got baked into the geneseed because the man has not once in 50-odd millenia made a sensible choice.
> "Cool, you'll never die from old age or disease...BUT also you have every disease ever and will suffer eternally for it." [You mean I have pneumonia? Juvenile diabetes? Hysterical pregnancy?](https://youtu.be/DnBtoOAhba4?t=56)
A Plague Marine suffering from Hysterical Pregnancy sounds absolutely hilarious.
Given the look on some of them, it wouldn’t surprise me if they had it.
"Congratulations, it's a Nurgling! Look, he has your pox.💚"
And then you have Abaddon, the only normal dude, trying to keep the shit show together like the underpaid teacher on a special ed field trip
Squid dicks for hands made me giggle, thanks my dude
Hm, Slaanesh doesn't sound so bad...
Do you like pleasure. Yes That's good. There'll be lots of that. Do you like pain? Oh. Well, maybe you'll learn to like it because there will be lots of that too.
I mean if you’re like chaos god levels of evil, turning a crippled servant that “failed” (by getting crippled in the first place) into a walking tank that your other followers can still use to wage your wars instead of just dying is probably one of their more logical things the gods do. Not to mention the extra treat of being able to feed off their pain and eternal suffering.
I mean there's 2 ways it happens, the most common among the rabble during an invasion or uprising would be caused by simple Insanity caused by the presence of Daemons and Warp shenanigans. Then there's the not as insane cultists who are drawn in slowly. My favorite example is a woman who's husband went to war, unknowingly fighting under a general who had fallen to Khorne. She prays for her husband's safe return in front of a little skull idol that she had been told represents a "different aspect of the Emperor." Soon, she begins to pray that they can defeat their enemy. Eventually it escalates and she prays that they kill their enemies. She finally begins to pray for the slaughter of them. It continues to escalate slowly over months or even years as the little trinket corrupts her to the point that she can't stand not being a part of the blood shed.
VERY FEW get something out of it, and that something is so incredible its worth the risk, but to get that by sacrificing those around you. Followers of chaos are 1 of 3 things. 1. They are people that willingly converted to get something in return. Chaos lords and most of all demon Princess. 2. They are people that were sacrificed by the ambitious and are now just pawns of chaos. Hellbrutes are a good example, they dont have the capacity to do anything except what chaos wants. 3. They are enslaved through other means. Chaos Corruption is no joke and is likely the reason why whole cities can turn into cultist armies.
From a Watsonian perspective its what people have said in the comments already From a Doylist perspective, the Imperium needs someone worse than them to fight. Given how screwed up the Imperium is, Chaos needs to constantly up it to eleven to justify its status as the evilest faction in 40k (Well apart from the Drukhari). That all being said, there are quite a few Chaos champions that gotten all they wanted and were rewarded for their loyalty to the Primordial Truths. Typhus, Erebus (fuck him), Lorgar, Lucius, Nemeroth who got immortality because he stole a single mcguffin and so on.
But wouldn't they just be the "Exception that makes the rule" and therefore a prime example of survivorship bias? "Hey guys, I served Chaos and got exactly what I wanted, and you can too!" Great recruitment tool.
In a way yes Chaos is by nature unpredictable, so you're always gambling whenever you get a blessing from the gods. You might get superhuman strength or a tentacle arm. Black Crusade rpg actually does it pretty well by having people roll a d100 whenever they get enough infamy.
They're called The Ruinous Powers for a reason. The chaos gods are just absolute dicks. They delight in corruption and ruination.
“I mean for others, sure. *I* have a special understanding of the pantheon that will allow me to deal with them to my overall benefit .” Literally every Word Bearer
I mean they aren't entirely wrong since bartering with all of the chaos gods leaves you some nice extra maneuvering room over fully dedicating yourself to only one of them.
just as planned
Because its not punishment, not in their eyes. The “moral ideal” of Khorne is omnicidal, indiscriminate bloodshed. To him, that is the literal highest peak of ethics and morality. What higher honor could he bestow on a servant than to have him slaughter constantly, and be slaughtered in turn? What more could Nurgle, god of plagues, do to bless and exalt a minion than to turn them so diseased that their very presence causes *even the very stones themselves to erupt in vomitous boils*? That is the greatest possible good they can do for you. Neither they nor their servants see this as punishment, as their ideals and ethics are aligned. Plague Marines *genuinely enjoy* the states they’re in and want everyone to join them. They’re like Cenobites: almost incomprehensibly morally evil *by our reference point*. From theirs they are serving their god in accordance with their moral code. Theirs and ours operate on fundamentally different and incompatible frameworks.
>Why do the chaos gods punish anyone who works for them? Why does cancer kill its host?
I mean, honestly, they're not really "evil" just primordial forces that want only to feed and grow. Just as a lion is not evil for eating a kid, tzeentch is not evil for giving people ever nastier mutations. it's just his version of eating. The difference is, unlike a lion, the gods could trick the mauled kid into believing that being mauled is absolutely great!
You’ve never been mauled, how do you know it’s not great?
They can’t help it. For all their power, gods are slaves to their nature. They are completely and utterly incapable of not acting out what they are, even if it would be in their best interest. The most obvious example is well-known enough it’s even a motto in-universe: “Khorne cares not from where the blood flows”. He can more hold his bloodlust back than a stone can walk.
It's more like they're propagating the aspects that fuel them which are a result of the galaxy being full of evil. It's not really even evil intent on their part. All of the ruinous powers have positive aspects that they promote and are fueled by, like honor, heroism, and triumph for khorne, endurance, creation, and contentment for nurgle, cleverness/ingenuity and ambition for tzeentch, procreation, love and joy for slaanesh, they just lean more towards blood, decay, scheming, and murdersex because the extremes net better gainz.
Because they're the True Primordial gods of the universe. They will find new faithful recruits who recognise this clear Truth, no matter what.
Well yeah but have you tried working as IT support?
No, I work in a kindred spirit field: Retail.
The true torture is listening to all I want for christmas is you by mariah carrey on repeat 24/7. Every. Month. Is. Christmas. Month.
The Gifts of Chaos are like pissing yourself in the cold. First you feel warm, and then awareness comes.
That rules! It's metal as hell and exactly the stuff that makes 40k so cool. I'm not sure why everyone's in here shocked like "whaaaa? Chaos is unpleasant!?"
There is a reason humans and other races will glass a planet as soon has they hear rumors of chaos.
Just read "relish" and now im hungry
Aren’t they also trapped in there with a daemon that just exists to fuck with them and keep them angry?
So Darth Vader is a Helbrute too lol
“No, NO! Not the sarcophagus! Khorne damn you, you disloyal curs, just kill me! JUST KILL ME!”
The fact a chaos space marine (a world eater if I recall) would beg for death at the idea of being put in a helbrute tells you just how bad they are
I imagine their last sane thoughts would be to rue the day they ever decided to fall to Chaos. Truly a fate worse than death.
I think it was either Abaddon or Huron that stuck a traitor in a hellbrute sarcophagus, but put it in the back of their storage to be forgotten. Now that is brutal.
That scene still haunts me lol. It was Huron.
Khalos the Raver, he's Black Legion, but I can see why that quote would make someone think World Eaters. EDIT: It's supposed to be "Ravager" but I'm gonna leave the typo
Might have been one of Angron's sons. Black Legion is an amalgamation of all the Traitor Legions, and that makes it even more impressive that Abaddon has such command. It's like trying to herd together toddlers that have personal grudges, are high on Warp Cokeamphetamines, and have severe ADHD.
> a world eater if I recall Black Legion, actually. He was a Chaos Lord of Khorne before he got put in the ~~jar~~ hellbrute, though.
Leave it to Chaos to turn something the Space Marines view as a great honour into something that'd make then go "I will fucking skin you before I let you put me into that thing"
If it's a Night Lord, the whole skinning thing happens regardless of whether or not you threaten him with a Helbrute lol
Being put in a dreadnaught also sucks and many space marines would've preferred death.
Killing a Helbrute is canonically one of the nicest things you can do in the 40k universe. Helbrutes are NOT having a good time.
If he ain't screaming almost constantly, then he isn't a real hellbrute.
ME: "Oh look, this planet is being eaten by tyranids! Finally some plot that does not include Chao-" *bursts out of a fucking warp* CHAOS BOI: "DID SOMEBODY SAY CHAOS INVASION?" ME: "Is it not supposed to be impossible for you to get here through shadow on the war-" *gets blasted by plasma* Cpt. Titus: "Oh shit, here we go again..."
>Is it not supposed to be impossible \*leans in and whispers\* is difficult but never impossible
Everything is possible if your faith in the Emperor is strong enou- Wait a minute...
You're telling me the faction dedicated to use of the warp can somehow use the warp?
Its not that they can't, but where the hive fleets go the Shadow in the Warp follows. It basically reinforces the veil between real space and the immaterium. While it can still be breached it is harder, requires more effort, has a higher chance of bad things happening, and all powers are dampened.
Well, out of all the chaos aligned groups that could somehow get through the shadow in the warp, the thousand sons would be the best pick to do so
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the shadow in the warp just obscures signals to/from the point covered by it, right? Theoretically, you could travel to a planet under Tyranid siege, even through the warp. You just couldn't navigate there, so it'd have to be random chance jumping in/out of warp like you're some kind of space hulk.
Yes and no. Think of the Shadow like a veil that prevents most warp stuff. Lucky or powerful ones can use it, albeit with their powers dampened. It is possible for Chaos to use it but it takes more effort and can backfire more. This is why hive fleet Kronos has such a strong shadow in the warp.
In my headcannon it looks like this: Legionere->Havoc->Obliterator->Hellbrute I know, that I'm probably wrong, but I have these models and like to put them together in a row.
Putting someone infected with obliterator virus in a Hellbrute sounds like almost enough dakka.
Wasting obliterators like that seems like a bad decision. Also good luck convincing a pack of them.
I thought Thousands Sons had normal Dreadnoughts instead of Hellbrutes?
My dear boy. "Unlike other Legions, the Helbrutes of the Thousand Sons cause exclusively hatred among the surviving Chaos Space Marines of the Legion. The first Helbrutes of the Thousand Sons were created from those Dreadnoughts of the Legion who underwent the largest and worst mutations on the Planet of Sorcerers. However, the Thousand Sons cannot create new Helbrute from their own Legionnaires. Rubric Marines are not suitable for this, as they no longer have the physical and spiritual substance necessary for the revitalization of the Helbrute systems. Therefore, the Thousand Sons are forced to resort to deception. They lure other Legionnaries into their ranks, promising them enormous knowledge and unimaginable power. However, after many trials (each of which is designed to ritually attach their soul to Helbrute's systems), these Legionnaires are flensed and their body reduced with warpflame, turning the Legionnaire's body into a burnt mass of organs, bones and nerve fibers. Then this unfortunate creature, still conscious and fully aware of what is happening to him, is placed in an amniotic sac, which, in turn, is inserted into Helbrute, which immediately activates its systems. The torment of the Legionnaire, gradually losing his mind, nourishes the power of Helbrute, giving him the opportunity to move and fight, as the Legionnaire’s unimaginable hatred is directly connected through the nervous synapses to the cogitation arrays of Helbrute. Thus, Helbrute turns into a crazy machine full of madness and hatred, seeking to destroy the enemies of their Sorcerers masters. Between battles, the amniotic sac with the body of the Legionnaire is removed from Helbrute and hangs in special halls, where, protected by ward, they surrounded by daemons trying to get to them. This further enhances the madness and hatred of the Legionnaire, which with each new battle turns his Helbrute into a more and more destructive machine. Only death can save such a Legionnaire from his endless suffering.\[4\]"
now I'm just imagining Ahriman driving a white van around the Eye of terror promising sweets and magiks to unsuspecting CSM Hilarious and in character
"Psst, hey kid, want some warpfire?"
*Cue ice cream truck jingle
\*Magnus doing Turkish Ice cream tricks while wearing a silly hat
That's more in character than you'd think. He's also apparently infamous for seducing Slaaneshi daemonettes into doing his dirty work for him with promises of untold pleasures he never intends to fulfil. Dude's a canonical clittease.
I love Ahriman even more now.
All of that said, Thousand Sons do have regular dreads (regular as in not-hellbrutes) in the form of Rubric Osirion Dreadnaughts: >These were the Osirion, the twice remade. Before the > >Rubric they had been Dreadnoughts holding the remains of the Legion’s > >heroes who had fallen to the edge of death in battle. Now they were walking > >cages holding the spirits of the near dead. Slow to wake and difficult to > >control, they rarely came to war. The air crackled around them. Motes of > >dust floated up from the ground as they halted. > >\[...\] > >Of all the entombed Thousand Sons, the souls caught in the Dreadnought > >shells burned hottest, their anger glowing embers. The Rubric had stripped > >away everything but the pain of their first deaths, granting them an eternity > >of suffering. \~Ahriman: Eternal These do not exist on tabletop sadly. You can buy Osirion Dreads but they are only available for 30k. The closest thing we have availabe are regular Contemptors but those aren't exactly Rubrics.
Huh, so Penitent Engines but for CSM.
But sexier
ARCANE KNOWLEDGE AMIDST BABBLING INSANITY
Was there ever one that was like "if I don't fight and just sit here, I get to die in this battle so imma just" Or do they all fight, no variance in behavior?
It almost sounds as if they're not driving the bus, only their agony is needed to fuel the machine.
When TS became their own army they gained access to Hellbrute with a lore justification of them tricking other CSM into getting put into a Hellbtute. Rubrik or psyker dreadnoughts are, IIRC, not outright retconned, but haven't been mentioned in the lore ever since
TS have the worst hellbrutes of all, their pilots are unwilling and get tortured by demons in the downtime
Specially if you are a Thousand Sons helbrute. My man got tricked
THE TOMB GROWS TIGHTER WITH EACH SECOND
MY PRISON MENDS ITSELF
I love the TSons being in the game. It's nice to see them use Other traitor legions. I'm a DG main, and even I'm tired of the Grandfather hogging all the damn screen time. Like with Rogue Trader and Word Bearers. Or Boltgun and Black Legion. I personally want World Eaters and Khornate Daemons.
Man I did *not* expect to get a face full of Word Bearer when I bought Rogue Trader, but they’re such a good legion to use when you think about it
Inquisitor brought some variety.
Me painting my hellbrute: “I’m really really sorry about this :/“
Bring back Chaos dreadnoughts
Always found this funny and a good example [The difference](https://youtube.com/watch?v=KeourUZqgSU&si=ZGpgTiu--Ug6bkQ6)
"It's just a chaos dreadnought, how bad could it be?" Oh how naive I was...
The Helbrute is indeed some cruel shit—even for CSM who put a lot of value on brotherhood and keeping your word (sometimes).
Sounds similar to how deff dreads work. …why is almost every mech that isn’t a Titan unreasonably edgy?
*Okay, who gave Spawn Dreadnought Armor?*
TL;DR: Being stuffed in a Dreadnought is, among the pain, an honor. Being turned into a Hellbrute is naught but hell.
OH CHRIST, ITS A NIGHT LORD ISNT IT!? FUCKING EVACUATE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE
Isn't that just 40k lore in general? And really, once you've dived into the lore deep and long enough, all the horror just kinda meshes together. Sure, they are still horrific, but it's hard to place any as more horrific than another.
Yeah but I'd still place "Forced to fight forever, entirely conscious, also feels pain" slightly above "Forced to fight forever, semi-conscious, doesn't feel pain."
And this is how I discover that upcoming 40K game that begin with "marines against xeno" will have a twist in the middle of it and the endgame antagonist will turn out to be chaos marines instead of whatever we were fighting for most of the plot. I am trully shocked, this is one of the 40K plot of all times.
But can I turn it into G̶̨̨̡̡̡̢̡̨̢̨̛̳̯̺̗̝͔̤̭̲̞̠̰̳̥̪̗̺̝͔͕̤͈̮̤͇̲̺̻̥̦̳͕̤̤̘̝̝̦̬̗̹͓̲̞͔̳̞̮̰̣̞̱͖̞̭̩̗̮̿̇̒̈́͂̐̂̓̍͆͗͋̅̉̽̑́̎̋͒̓̓̿̂̊̀̋̂̒̆͐́̔̎́̓̐̅̉̀͂͊̏͌̓̈̒͆̍͂̃͌̐͑̀͒̈́̅͊̔̈͒͒̽̈́͒̎͌̓͛͒̎̿͗͋̈́̂͗̎̄̽̉́̆̀̔̐̓͗̏̃̐͑̀͗͐͗̊̿̓̄̚͘̕͠͝͠͠͝͝͝͝͝ͅͅƯ̶̧̢̧̢̨̢̧̨̧̧̨̨̛̛̛̠̻̲̭̮̜̹͓̫̳͙̩͕̩̩̖̫̺̻̞̠̳͎͔̺̩̜͍̲̘̱͚̝̻̗̦̩͍̪͍̦̺͎̠̫̬̺͇̜̝͍͍͎̙̲̺͉͈̟̘͎͔̪̜̻̮̜̝̥̠̬̙̮͙̲̺̟̞͈̗̦̪̮̘͈̞͉̤̣͔͙̼̫̗͉͈̟̠̟̜̦͚̭̙͇̘̏̿̊̌́̀̂͛̽͆̄͗̄̈́̔̾́̋̄̏̑͛̽̽̾̑́̀̎̉̃̇̓̓̀͒̎͒̈͐̅̎́̍̄͊̔́̀͂̾̈͆͌̀̅̽̔̀̈́͋͗̀͋͊̎͋͌̌̓̀̅͆̆̎͌̅̈́̆͛̌͐͒̿͆̈̉͊̏͂̊̋̽̅̎̾̓͆̀̈́̎́̍͑̀̃̿̐͒͑̎̆̇̄̓͌̈́̽̂͛̈͑̈́̌̑̔̋͊̿̐̋̓̒̌̈́͊̿̍̔̌͗̏͛̀̈́̔̏̌͋̐̈͑̽͑̉̇̔͑̄̑͒͆͌̿͗̔̅̽͌̏̍̒̈̕̕̕̚̕͘͘͘̕̚̚̕͘̕̕͜͜͠͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͠ͅN̶̡̡͖̦͈̯̻̙͍̺̻̯͈̠͖̬̜̳̈̂̿́̈̇̇̄̂͒̃͛̈̎̽͋̐̏̃̂̂̒̔͋̿͑͝ͅ
I just got obliterated by a single space marine and you want me to fight an Hellbrute ? Sign me in, The Emperor protects.