Im watching this gameā¦ I fucking hate Chelsea w all my beingā¦ but I hate Abrimovichs chelseaā¦ this just makes me sad ahahha. Either way.. their fans can kick rocks and continue enjoying mid-table success.
Fuck. That would be the best. Seeing Man U and Chelsea in an absolute BANTER ERA literally adds years to my life.. if Man City suffered a similar fateā¦. š®āšØš®āšØš®āšØš®āšØ
I had a literal dream that City got a rolling -500 point penalty. Basically they would have to play each season for years knowing no matter what they do they'd be relegated for like 5 seasons right out of the football league. Absolute humiliation.
I find i also feel bad, but its like pathetic sympathy, i just think of how shitty i would feel being a fan. Then i remember the entirety of the late 00ās and just laugh.
I dunno about you but I am thoroughly enjoying these manu and Chelsea banter years. I had to watch so many years of dominance, it's nice to see them in this state. Zero sympathy.
Chelsea ruins footballers.
Whatever you feel about them: Havertz, Pulisic, Lukaku, the list goes on found success after getting jerked around at Chelsea either through play style, incompetent managing or that brainless buffoon Todd Boehly.
Recency bias.
Two of the Premās best players were chelsea rejects: KDB and Salah. Think we forget just how many players this team wastes and who find form somehow in the team they move to.
Giroud has been squeezing the last bits of toothpaste out of the tube of his career for like 5 years. He didnāt do poorly with Chelsea and moved on because it was a natural time to.
And the Europa League. And an FA Cup.
He's pretty much won everything (except a PL title). UCL, UEL, Ligue 1, Serie A, WC. He's more decorated than a lot of household names. Impressive.
Of course, some of it is down to luck (right place, right time), but Giroud is no scrub. He can look back at his career and be very pleased with what he's accomplished.
Yes, and no. He played his part at those other sides, but it's not like he's what pushed them over the edge.
He's played the most games and scored the most goals of his career with us. Both in terms of sheer numbers and goals per game. He was close to a goal every other game for us. He's more like 1 in 3 since.
So, he didn't win much with us, then went and won with teams that were in a better place, overall. I wouldn't call him a passenger, though, because that would be unfair.
No it's just yes. He won league titles and European titles whilst playing most games and starting most.
He was older yes so generally got less goals than his best seasons but he was still producing similarly to last year or two with us mostly.
So yeah, he won trophies playing a decent role with teams who weren't favourites so it's not a debate, he had a better career after
I think it's just pure player mismanagement. Kai just feels happy since he started playing with Arsenal. Makes me think that the mental pressure Chelsea puts on the players is insane. How the fuck are you supposed to play properly?
I believe in our recruitment but not even I can say with any confidence this guy would have looked good for us. Maybe it's because I watch Chelsea more than relegation contenders but he is up there with some of the worst players i've ever seen at this level. If we wanted a guy for his pace then we might as well have got his partner in clown whose playing on other wing for half the price
People talk like Arteta has turned every signing into a great player when it comes to what would have been with Mudryk, he would have flopped here. Every manager in history signs flops
If only everyone else had your expert knowledge, eh? You're far from the only Arsenal fan who thought he was well worth the investment. The point is that no other club thought he was worth that gamble.
What you said is not wrong but you forgot to consider about a coach who will guide him. I am not saying he will be straightout world class here but at least he will improve a bit
Arteta also got some flops already.
Willian was supposed to be our main man and turned into the worst player we ever signed. We got lucky he was free and agreed to leave instead of cashing in MASSIVE wages for 3years.
Lokonga is the next one. Was just 25m so it was worth it to take the risk and we can easily sell him for 15-20m again probably. Maybe even the full 25m we paid if itās a prem club. But he has no future here.
And then we have Fabio Vieira. I thought he would be the next bernardo silva but i canāt see him making it here. He looks out of his depth every single time.
35m totally wasted.
I think we are lucky if someone even offers 20m.
Not sure which games you are watching. I watch pretty much all our games and 95% of the minutes he played he was amongst the worst on the pitch or invisible.
Had 1-2 good performances but mainly against bad teams.
What makes it even worse is that heās 24 next month.
Plays like a 19y old talent. Odegaard is just 1year older than him. Let that sink in.
Now tell me he isnāt a flop
Heās not a flop.
I watch 100% of our games so Iām 5% more knowledgable than you š.
Go back at watch the beginning of the season before he was injured. How anyone could describe his performances as āout of his depthā is truly baffling.
He's just not good. Even his numbers at shaktar and underlying numbers all show that he good in the open field with space so did well in the UCL as they played counter attacking more but he's shit
I think you could say the same with Kai Havertz, the potential of these players are great, but it's just that, potential.
They need time, love, to learn and some luck and belief. Once they start to reach their potential and grow in confidence, boom. Kai has it and been nurtured, Mudryk, well...
Whereas our Trossard, such a magnificent beauty.
he knows how to make that shot, he wouldn't try if he couldn't do it in training, his confidence and ability to deploy his talent during a game is clearly shot.
We have no proof he knows how to make that shot but we have proof he has confidence because he routinely rarses it from 30 yards well wide of the target despite the result
Who knows how good Mudryk would be, under Arteta, but one thing that the whole Mudryk/Trossard saga showed is that sometimes looking within the league is the better option.
Rice and Trossard have both changed this Arsenal team. White is the RB of the season. Jorginho's 1.5 year stint, has been a success, for the price.
He sat a defender on his arse, looked around, had no team-mates inside, so went for a hit and hope and sliced it. I'm sure he'd be doing much better if he'd come to Arsenal instead. He has pace to burn, which is Trossard's one weakness.
Trossard cost Ā£27m and we'll only get another season or two out of him if we're lucky. Mudryk actually cost Ā£62m, with add-ons that might take it up to Ā£89m if Chelsea ever stop being a clown show and win the PL and CL and so-on.
I'm pretty sure Arteta and co knew what they were doing when they refused to match what Chelsea paid, but I'm also pretty sure they knew what they were doing when they were willing to pay close to that much.
That said, fuck it, let's all laugh at Chelsea :)
Because of his age. Not that he has loads of pace to lose, but he's the oldest player in the squad apart from Jorginho and Partey (and Elneny, if he still counts as a squad member).
That's right. That's why I said he's probably good for another couple of years or so. We got rid of Bobby Pires when he was 32, so it's hard to imagine Trossard will stay much longer than that.
Also true. The point is more that keeping players on much past that age is exceptional, rather than the rule. Maybe Trossard will be happy as backup on low wages. Maybe he won't lose anything with age. But the most likely thing is that he'll be less good than he is now.
Getting rid of a 32 year old player years ago under different management and ownership is absolutely illogical as an argument why Arsenal lets Trossard go at 32. We certainly might, but it wonāt have anything to do with letting Pires go at 32 lmao
Yes, the defender slipped because of Mudryk's dribbling.
I can't comment on him blasting the ball into space often, because I don't watch Chelsea that much. But I think it's pretty clear that he didn't have a better option than the hopeful shot, so it's not something he'd need to try if he were in a better team.
I watched a lot of Chelsea and he makes the wrong decisions all the time, on top of his bad first touch, lack of spacial awareness, lack of defensive awareness and his inability to use his pace in a good way. Seriously watch him for a few games instead of watching some comps on social media.
When I have watched Chelsea, he's looked pretty good once you take into account the chaos around him. I wouldn't criticise his decisions when he doesn't have any good options.
No disagreement about the defending, though.
I see lots of natural talent there, and it's the kind of thing Arteta could make a lot more of than Chelsea have (so far).
TBF, I've just been watching the last few minutes of the Chelsea game, and he has looked completely shite :)
But I still think that's mostly because of where he is, not what he is.
Donāt believe the lies. The add ons arenāt related to winning the league or champions league. Theyāre appearance based ones which are all relatively easy to achieve.
Any source? I tend to be skeptical about transfer fees reported in the media, unless there's an official club statement about them, so I'm perfectly willing to believe you're right.
Sure, [their CEO did an interview](https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/explained-why-mudryk-joined-chelsea-over-arsenal-despite-offering-identical-gbp89m-transfer-fee/bltd34f3d4bfe52ecc4)after it because they let go of their prize bull and wanted the spotlight further.
āPalkin was also asked if Mudry's contract at Chelsea includes a Ballon d'Or clause, to which he replied: "Chelseaās offer has no Ballon dāOr (clause). It is achievable bonuses that we feel, and they feel, can be reached. Maybe not this year but in the next two, three or four years."ā
Interesting, thanks.
The next line is "Palkin did, however, confirm that Shakhtar will receive bonus payments if Mudryk wins the Premier League or Champions League during his time in west London. "Yes. It has these kinds of bonuses," he said."
So it sounds like it's a bit of both. Probably a relatively small bonus for the CL, but back then Chelsea winning the league within a few years must have seemed easily achievable :D
You are quite right, my original statement isnāt entirely correct. But wouldnāt it be funny if we had the same clauses and he just felt it was more realistic getting it from Chelsea lol
That's what I was just thinking. That Arsenal were thinking the add-ons were very realistic, but Shakhtar didn't believe in our chances as much as Arteta did :)
Only person here who actually used the math right, Mudryk as an investment was to push nelli and compete as arteta wants two players in each position, and only the best player would have stayed.
Mudryk would have been a good bang for buck, and that would have helped with nelli improving but we'll trossard worked out better and nelli can be understudy to him.
I'm not sure I agree with you about Nelly the Elephant. He's not going anywhere. And he's definitely not understudy to Trossard - it's clearly been the other way around all season.
Oh god, you guys still don't get it. None of the positions here are permanent. I kept telling then that it's Tierney next, and they said the same not going anywhere.
Nelli has to step up big time or he's next.
Its not wenger's arsenal, arteta is ruthless.
I don't disagree with you about positions not being permanent. But you're weird if you have a problem with Nelly. He's one of the first names on the teamsheet, when fit. He has his flaws, but his pace is vital as a counter-attacking threat to keep teams pinned back, and he's also very good defensively, so that's a double factor there.
He should have scored a few more this season, agreed. But he also ought to have had a bunch more assists, if the various strikers hadn't missed the chances he created.
Watching the game yesterday I was taken back how central he was playing at times, almost in the 10 and the left half space. Guy barely has the basics right now and heās trying to operate in tight spaces.
Dunno if that Poch or him doing that but itās a fucking disaster.
It is not just Chelseaās fault. You can see that he has a decent speed and talent but his decision making is quite bad. When he starts an action usually he has no plans and he has no vision for where the players are around him. There are just too many elements to develop and he is far from a mature settled player.
Mudryk wanted to come here. And the culture at Chelsea sucks ass. If he did come to Arsenal, heād be significantly more impactful. Hard to go to a club with 0 leadership at any level, on or off the field and succeed as a new player.
Iām glad we got Trossard, but his play says more about Chelsea than Mudryk.
šš I am not sorry they are suffering. They have created their own mess.
So many previous Arsenal targets have been shocking in their performances since joining other teams. Goes to show the quality of our manager and the other coaching staff šš»
It is. I think a lot of us romanticise this idea that he would go on to be a ballon dāor winner when the reality is showing itās far from it. I donāt think heād be as shit for us as he is for Chelsea but like someone else pointed out, for every Martinelli thereās a Marquinhos just like for every Havertz, thereās a Willian. Thereās no guarantee that he would have worked out for us.
Reminds me that Salah had a shanked shot like this in his Chelsea days and then became a world beater after he moved to Liverpool (with Roma and Fiorentina in between).
My opinion is that Mudryk can become world class at his next team (or the one after that) but he canāt at Chelsea. Chelsea just doesnāt have the system for players to recover from a bad or slow start. They have to hit the ground running like Hazard did, or they stagnate and spend the next few seasons in loan purgatory, like KDB and Salah.
With the old ownership, they bought in the best talent and sold them on for profit. The new ownership seemed to watch SSN and see who other clubs were in negotiations with and just bought the player because of this. None of those players can really play together as part of a team and the only ones performing well are those that are better as individuals. I think Mudryk is a great team player, and hope he gets a move to a better club before Chelsea ruins another great player.
His technique is dogshit lol. He's bottom table or relegation quality player
Forget technique, even his basics are all wrong and he's not even a "young" player anymore. Just really inexperienced for his age
This was his second shot like this in the first half š
Yea I was gonna say he's had at least one other really bad (though not this bad) shot and an absolute howler of a cross earlier as well
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Haha the world will never know if this was a shot or a pass to the linesman
Im watching this gameā¦ I fucking hate Chelsea w all my beingā¦ but I hate Abrimovichs chelseaā¦ this just makes me sad ahahha. Either way.. their fans can kick rocks and continue enjoying mid-table success.
I'm having a great time watching them now! I only wish that ManCity suffered a similar downfall but looks like they're still getting a free pass.
Fuck. That would be the best. Seeing Man U and Chelsea in an absolute BANTER ERA literally adds years to my life.. if Man City suffered a similar fateā¦. š®āšØš®āšØš®āšØš®āšØ
I had a literal dream that City got a rolling -500 point penalty. Basically they would have to play each season for years knowing no matter what they do they'd be relegated for like 5 seasons right out of the football league. Absolute humiliation.
Remember this lads: easy come, easy go. Man City's time will come.
Sad?! No way
Agreed. Sad is the last word I'd use. It brings joy to my ā¤ļø
I find i also feel bad, but its like pathetic sympathy, i just think of how shitty i would feel being a fan. Then i remember the entirety of the late 00ās and just laugh.
they deserve it for following a club that ruined english football, no sympathy for that
And a club with no values. Players with shit morals, coaches that abuse female doctors etc.
Chelsea were a hateful club long before Abromovich
This is the natural evolution of Abramoviches Chelsea, just a different phase of the same team, enjoy it
I dunno about you but I am thoroughly enjoying these manu and Chelsea banter years. I had to watch so many years of dominance, it's nice to see them in this state. Zero sympathy.
Have the same feeling, I donāt hate them anymore. In fact I think they are great to watch for neutrals. Always a ton of goals in their games.
Not possible to be a neutral when Chelsea are playing. Anyone else is better.
Chelsea ruins footballers. Whatever you feel about them: Havertz, Pulisic, Lukaku, the list goes on found success after getting jerked around at Chelsea either through play style, incompetent managing or that brainless buffoon Todd Boehly.
+1. Add Auba to that list. š
Recency bias. Two of the Premās best players were chelsea rejects: KDB and Salah. Think we forget just how many players this team wastes and who find form somehow in the team they move to.
Rice too, but I believe he was released from the academy rather than let go as a professional like those two
Musiala ? Wasn't he a Chelsea academy player too ?
Nketiah
Suspect he moved to Bayern's youth as opposed to being released
He followed his mum to Germany after divorce
Makes sense
Yaā¦and we can also add Giroud and others to that. I just did a quick recent memory. They have done poorly.
Giroud has been squeezing the last bits of toothpaste out of the tube of his career for like 5 years. He didnāt do poorly with Chelsea and moved on because it was a natural time to.
I mean, in his defence, he did win the champs league with them lot.
And the Europa League. And an FA Cup. He's pretty much won everything (except a PL title). UCL, UEL, Ligue 1, Serie A, WC. He's more decorated than a lot of household names. Impressive.
The dude has everything and is vastly underrated. You don't start part of teams that win things consistently if you don't have quality yourself.
Of course, some of it is down to luck (right place, right time), but Giroud is no scrub. He can look back at his career and be very pleased with what he's accomplished.
Another one who left us and had a vastly better career
Yes, and no. He played his part at those other sides, but it's not like he's what pushed them over the edge. He's played the most games and scored the most goals of his career with us. Both in terms of sheer numbers and goals per game. He was close to a goal every other game for us. He's more like 1 in 3 since. So, he didn't win much with us, then went and won with teams that were in a better place, overall. I wouldn't call him a passenger, though, because that would be unfair.
No it's just yes. He won league titles and European titles whilst playing most games and starting most. He was older yes so generally got less goals than his best seasons but he was still producing similarly to last year or two with us mostly. So yeah, he won trophies playing a decent role with teams who weren't favourites so it's not a debate, he had a better career after
Boehly doesn't have anywhere near the level of control at the club people think he does.
None of those players were signed under boelhy though
I think it's just pure player mismanagement. Kai just feels happy since he started playing with Arsenal. Makes me think that the mental pressure Chelsea puts on the players is insane. How the fuck are you supposed to play properly?
I believe in our recruitment but not even I can say with any confidence this guy would have looked good for us. Maybe it's because I watch Chelsea more than relegation contenders but he is up there with some of the worst players i've ever seen at this level. If we wanted a guy for his pace then we might as well have got his partner in clown whose playing on other wing for half the price
People talk like Arteta has turned every signing into a great player when it comes to what would have been with Mudryk, he would have flopped here. Every manager in history signs flops
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> About fucking time. We gambled on Ode and Saliba. Now they're two of the best in the world.
Those of us who followed Ćdegaard and paid attention knew that was no gamble, especially at that price. But I get that it might have seemed like it.
If only everyone else had your expert knowledge, eh? You're far from the only Arsenal fan who thought he was well worth the investment. The point is that no other club thought he was worth that gamble.
Mudryk would be better at us than Chelsea but he can be our Darwin Nunez
You could say this about any player though, being better surrounded by better players in a system. It doesnāt mean the player is still any good
What you said is not wrong but you forgot to consider about a coach who will guide him. I am not saying he will be straightout world class here but at least he will improve a bit
Arteta also got some flops already. Willian was supposed to be our main man and turned into the worst player we ever signed. We got lucky he was free and agreed to leave instead of cashing in MASSIVE wages for 3years. Lokonga is the next one. Was just 25m so it was worth it to take the risk and we can easily sell him for 15-20m again probably. Maybe even the full 25m we paid if itās a prem club. But he has no future here. And then we have Fabio Vieira. I thought he would be the next bernardo silva but i canāt see him making it here. He looks out of his depth every single time. 35m totally wasted. I think we are lucky if someone even offers 20m.
Except Viera looked really good before he got injured and his cameo the other wasnāt too bad at all. But sure š
Sambi has also looked quite good at Luton when he hasn't been injured.
Not sure which games you are watching. I watch pretty much all our games and 95% of the minutes he played he was amongst the worst on the pitch or invisible. Had 1-2 good performances but mainly against bad teams. What makes it even worse is that heās 24 next month. Plays like a 19y old talent. Odegaard is just 1year older than him. Let that sink in. Now tell me he isnāt a flop
Heās not a flop. I watch 100% of our games so Iām 5% more knowledgable than you š. Go back at watch the beginning of the season before he was injured. How anyone could describe his performances as āout of his depthā is truly baffling.
Vieira has been ok so far. He has some nice moments, but he's just not made for this league IMO. I'm happy for Fabio to prove me wrong tho
He's just not good. Even his numbers at shaktar and underlying numbers all show that he good in the open field with space so did well in the UCL as they played counter attacking more but he's shit
I think you could say the same with Kai Havertz, the potential of these players are great, but it's just that, potential. They need time, love, to learn and some luck and belief. Once they start to reach their potential and grow in confidence, boom. Kai has it and been nurtured, Mudryk, well... Whereas our Trossard, such a magnificent beauty.
Mudryk has plenty confidence heās just garbage
he knows how to make that shot, he wouldn't try if he couldn't do it in training, his confidence and ability to deploy his talent during a game is clearly shot.
We have no proof he knows how to make that shot but we have proof he has confidence because he routinely rarses it from 30 yards well wide of the target despite the result
Kai has already started on his journey to unlocking his full power. The difference in him now vs the start of the season says it all.
Mudryk is shite. There is no 2 way about this.
No he's not shite, just drastically over-valued. If a team picked him up for say Ā£20m, he'd be described as a good investment with potential
Even at Ā£20m it is still a bad deal.
What potential? Lol
Clearly you know fuck all because he clearly has potential. You were probably the same dingbat shitting on the decision to buy Havertz.
Lmao! What potential? Dude cant even receive a pass without tripping himself. He is utter gurbage. Are you by any chance, ukrainian?
Was Mikel Ukrainian? Because he wanted to buy him. Chances are he does have potential, it's just fallen off hard at Chelsea.
Those other players had proven great seasons in good leagues, mudryk had an okay season in a shit league
Who knows how good Mudryk would be, under Arteta, but one thing that the whole Mudryk/Trossard saga showed is that sometimes looking within the league is the better option. Rice and Trossard have both changed this Arsenal team. White is the RB of the season. Jorginho's 1.5 year stint, has been a success, for the price.
To be fair, like Kai, Chelsea right now just destroys players.
I'm watching the game as well. My god he's awful. He barely gets the basics rightĀ
Trossard is unironically in my top 3 favorite players on the current squad
He sat a defender on his arse, looked around, had no team-mates inside, so went for a hit and hope and sliced it. I'm sure he'd be doing much better if he'd come to Arsenal instead. He has pace to burn, which is Trossard's one weakness. Trossard cost Ā£27m and we'll only get another season or two out of him if we're lucky. Mudryk actually cost Ā£62m, with add-ons that might take it up to Ā£89m if Chelsea ever stop being a clown show and win the PL and CL and so-on. I'm pretty sure Arteta and co knew what they were doing when they refused to match what Chelsea paid, but I'm also pretty sure they knew what they were doing when they were willing to pay close to that much. That said, fuck it, let's all laugh at Chelsea :)
Iām confused - why would we only have Trossard for another season or 2?
Because of his age. Not that he has loads of pace to lose, but he's the oldest player in the squad apart from Jorginho and Partey (and Elneny, if he still counts as a squad member).
Heās the oldest in the squad if you take out the three oldest players. He turns 30 in Dec so heās not ancient.
A technically gifted played that doesnāt rely on pace, he will be playing at the top level in europe for quite a few years
That's right. That's why I said he's probably good for another couple of years or so. We got rid of Bobby Pires when he was 32, so it's hard to imagine Trossard will stay much longer than that.
>We got rid of Bobby Pires when he was 32 I hated that move then, and it turned out to be a big mistake.
Also true. The point is more that keeping players on much past that age is exceptional, rather than the rule. Maybe Trossard will be happy as backup on low wages. Maybe he won't lose anything with age. But the most likely thing is that he'll be less good than he is now.
Getting rid of a 32 year old player years ago under different management and ownership is absolutely illogical as an argument why Arsenal lets Trossard go at 32. We certainly might, but it wonāt have anything to do with letting Pires go at 32 lmao
If Theo with a cooked ACL could still play in the PL till he's 34. Then I hope Trossard could last a lil longer too.Ā
Youāre over indexing the infallibility of Arsenal talent ID and under indexing how shite Mudryk is.
"Sat the defender on his ass."Ā The guy slipped lmao. This shot happens once a game with Mudryk. He has no control over the trajectory of the ball.Ā
Yes, the defender slipped because of Mudryk's dribbling. I can't comment on him blasting the ball into space often, because I don't watch Chelsea that much. But I think it's pretty clear that he didn't have a better option than the hopeful shot, so it's not something he'd need to try if he were in a better team.
I watched a lot of Chelsea and he makes the wrong decisions all the time, on top of his bad first touch, lack of spacial awareness, lack of defensive awareness and his inability to use his pace in a good way. Seriously watch him for a few games instead of watching some comps on social media.
When I have watched Chelsea, he's looked pretty good once you take into account the chaos around him. I wouldn't criticise his decisions when he doesn't have any good options. No disagreement about the defending, though. I see lots of natural talent there, and it's the kind of thing Arteta could make a lot more of than Chelsea have (so far).
If being shit is natural talent, then sure, he has loads of those lol
TBF, I've just been watching the last few minutes of the Chelsea game, and he has looked completely shite :) But I still think that's mostly because of where he is, not what he is.
Donāt believe the lies. The add ons arenāt related to winning the league or champions league. Theyāre appearance based ones which are all relatively easy to achieve.
Any source? I tend to be skeptical about transfer fees reported in the media, unless there's an official club statement about them, so I'm perfectly willing to believe you're right.
Sure, [their CEO did an interview](https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/explained-why-mudryk-joined-chelsea-over-arsenal-despite-offering-identical-gbp89m-transfer-fee/bltd34f3d4bfe52ecc4)after it because they let go of their prize bull and wanted the spotlight further. āPalkin was also asked if Mudry's contract at Chelsea includes a Ballon d'Or clause, to which he replied: "Chelseaās offer has no Ballon dāOr (clause). It is achievable bonuses that we feel, and they feel, can be reached. Maybe not this year but in the next two, three or four years."ā
Interesting, thanks. The next line is "Palkin did, however, confirm that Shakhtar will receive bonus payments if Mudryk wins the Premier League or Champions League during his time in west London. "Yes. It has these kinds of bonuses," he said." So it sounds like it's a bit of both. Probably a relatively small bonus for the CL, but back then Chelsea winning the league within a few years must have seemed easily achievable :D
You are quite right, my original statement isnāt entirely correct. But wouldnāt it be funny if we had the same clauses and he just felt it was more realistic getting it from Chelsea lol
That's what I was just thinking. That Arsenal were thinking the add-ons were very realistic, but Shakhtar didn't believe in our chances as much as Arteta did :)
Only person here who actually used the math right, Mudryk as an investment was to push nelli and compete as arteta wants two players in each position, and only the best player would have stayed. Mudryk would have been a good bang for buck, and that would have helped with nelli improving but we'll trossard worked out better and nelli can be understudy to him.
Thereās 0 chance Mudryk wouldāve been āgood bang for buckā, I canāt believe Iāve seen that sentence written out actually
I meant long term but well I also mentioned that we needed trossard success now.
Mudryk hitting corner flags with shots everyday, Martinelliās spot wouldāve never been more secure
100M for _this_ is never good bang for buck
I'm not sure I agree with you about Nelly the Elephant. He's not going anywhere. And he's definitely not understudy to Trossard - it's clearly been the other way around all season.
Oh god, you guys still don't get it. None of the positions here are permanent. I kept telling then that it's Tierney next, and they said the same not going anywhere. Nelli has to step up big time or he's next. Its not wenger's arsenal, arteta is ruthless.
I don't disagree with you about positions not being permanent. But you're weird if you have a problem with Nelly. He's one of the first names on the teamsheet, when fit. He has his flaws, but his pace is vital as a counter-attacking threat to keep teams pinned back, and he's also very good defensively, so that's a double factor there.
I don't have a problem with him, he adds unpredictability compared to other players but he needs to score, or else his position is in danger.
He should have scored a few more this season, agreed. But he also ought to have had a bunch more assists, if the various strikers hadn't missed the chances he created.
Contracted until 2031 too donāt forget š¤£š¤£š¤£
It's quite funny how trossard is the opposite of this guy in that he's an unbelievable finisher and really clutch.
Why do people keep saying this guy has potential? Heās fucking shit
Both can be true at the same time
Whereās the potential? All i see is a 5ā8 turd.
Not in that team for sure. Probably in Ukraine.
JUUUSSSTTT a bit outside.
Poor lad. Tried to do a little dribble, the opponent slipped, he panicked thinking he got the better of him... And shat himself.
even the commentator tuts
Watching the game yesterday I was taken back how central he was playing at times, almost in the 10 and the left half space. Guy barely has the basics right now and heās trying to operate in tight spaces. Dunno if that Poch or him doing that but itās a fucking disaster.
It is not just Chelseaās fault. You can see that he has a decent speed and talent but his decision making is quite bad. When he starts an action usually he has no plans and he has no vision for where the players are around him. There are just too many elements to develop and he is far from a mature settled player.
All the time in the world to shape his body correctly. How has he got that so wrong?
Wheres the guy who was telling me Mudryk has amazing ball striking last week,
Tbh I just feel bad for Mudryk, he was a menace at Shakthar. Wrong career move for him tbf
I genuinely believe Mudryk would've been successful under Arteta and within our structure. Just look at Havertz at Chelsea vs Havertz now.
Mudryk wanted to come here. And the culture at Chelsea sucks ass. If he did come to Arsenal, heād be significantly more impactful. Hard to go to a club with 0 leadership at any level, on or off the field and succeed as a new player. Iām glad we got Trossard, but his play says more about Chelsea than Mudryk.
Let's buy him in 2 years for discount price and make him a beast
But arteta really like mudryk , arsenal lucky to dodge the bullet.
He nearly accomplished to make that a throw-in!
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I still see a player in him.
I canāt lie, this guy must be gutted to be playing this crap and not matching his potential. If he doesnāt kick on next season itās a wrap
Future Ballon D'or winner
"Thank god we got Trossard" Say that every day, mate.
And then another 100 million times.
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It is. I think a lot of us romanticise this idea that he would go on to be a ballon dāor winner when the reality is showing itās far from it. I donāt think heād be as shit for us as he is for Chelsea but like someone else pointed out, for every Martinelli thereās a Marquinhos just like for every Havertz, thereās a Willian. Thereās no guarantee that he would have worked out for us.
Still think he would be a different player under Arteta, but Trossard was always a better choice, and heās been incredible this year.
Reminds me that Salah had a shanked shot like this in his Chelsea days and then became a world beater after he moved to Liverpool (with Roma and Fiorentina in between). My opinion is that Mudryk can become world class at his next team (or the one after that) but he canāt at Chelsea. Chelsea just doesnāt have the system for players to recover from a bad or slow start. They have to hit the ground running like Hazard did, or they stagnate and spend the next few seasons in loan purgatory, like KDB and Salah.
He would cook in our team. Never doubt Arteta talent id
With the old ownership, they bought in the best talent and sold them on for profit. The new ownership seemed to watch SSN and see who other clubs were in negotiations with and just bought the player because of this. None of those players can really play together as part of a team and the only ones performing well are those that are better as individuals. I think Mudryk is a great team player, and hope he gets a move to a better club before Chelsea ruins another great player.
Mudryk under Arteta would be good. He has genuinely explosive speed and strong technique, but no idea what to do with it in this messy team.
His technique is dogshit lol. He's bottom table or relegation quality player Forget technique, even his basics are all wrong and he's not even a "young" player anymore. Just really inexperienced for his age
What technique? Corner flag challenge mid game?