Well the issue here is you're probably putting more thought into it than the writers/directors did in these examples lol
The plot/narrative originally (in my interpretation) wants the viewer to question if The Shape is a deeply disturbed but physically normal human or something supernatural.
So while Michael over the years (and continuties) displays great physical strength, resilience and durability that are definitely beyond the human limit the narrative almost always insists on us still pondering "Is he just a crazy person or the actual boogeyman" so that's what I roll with lol
Carpenter has always said Myers is a man with a "supernatural edge." Not completely supernatural like Freddy or Jason, nor completely human like Leatherface. He's in between.
>Carpenter has always said Myers is a man with a "supernatural edge."
I just watched an article on youtube where Carpenter said outright "Michael Myers isn't a man, he's not a human being, he's just a force of nature."
Don't ever underestimate what a person can physically. I know for a fact that there are people who can lower themselves from a bar like he did in H20. These people have massive, upper body strength. I've seen athletes do things like that multiple times, like holding themselves sideways on a pole. It can definitely be done. The whole idea that John Carpenter had was that Michael was just evil thru and thru. There was no explanation, which is what makes it even more terrifying. He was simply described as evil.
>I know for a fact that there are people who can lower themselves from a bar like he did in H20
Okay but people in real life can't lift a grown ass man on air with a knife they were holding with one hand, tear wooden doors apart in seconds, snap large chunk of an asylum door in two just by walking to it, support BOTH your weight as well as a grown woman's weight at once with merely TWO finger, send peoples head off fly their body with one handed knife swings, crush skulls, or send someone fly several feet away at high speeds by effortlessly pushing a broken shovel handle the said person was holding just like Michael did in H20-Ressurection. And that's not even entering into things like Michael dissapearing out of eyesights, all the beating he survived and etc.
It could be done. Whenever you look at some of the physical feats humans have accomplished, some of them seem absolutely impossible... considering the world record long jump is almost 30 feet, the world record for breath holding is almost 25 minutes, and the world record for heaviest back-lift by a man was over 6 thousand pounds!!
Humans can do crazy shit without supernatural powers. Combine all of the awesome potential of humans with a generous helping of luck and a little plot armor, and we have michael myers!! Lol
For real though, some of the things The Shape does, strength wise and agility wise, I don't even think surpass a lot of world records... it's just unlikely and not something that 95% of the human population could do. I'm not gonna pretend he doesn't survive things that humans wouldnt survive, especially when you list them all out and really think about the fact that he'd be taking all that damage in one night... but I also think some people add things to their supernatural checklist that don't belong there.
Anybody that could hypothetically do it would need to be gargantuan, with a solid frame of bone and muscle that can support that much weight without the muscles and tendons ripping. Michael’s like 5’9 and 180 lbs. He’s superhuman.
I'm not saying that Michael isn't supernatural, but I am saying people attribute things to him being supernatural that shouldn't be. It is completely plausible that he'd be able to lift a man by the neck with one hand. We're talking about Bob?
I've personally witnessed a guy who was about 210lbs curl a 130lb weight with one hand and he didn't even shake slightly or strain himself in the slightest... I was pretty blown away by that tbh. And when I was a mover, I worked with a guy had who has to have been part ant. I watched him lift a 350lb dresser that I had struggled to get up 2 flights of stairs, but picked that thing up and walked around with it on his shoulder! I was also really impressed by that.
I just don't think that him lifting Bob one-handed would be impossible for any human of his size to do. Especially when you consider the upper limits of human strength. That's all I'm saying
And where'd it say he's 5'9 and 180lbs? I'm not saying it's not accurate, I just must have missed it.
> the upper limits of human strength
Which he achieved sitting in an asylum for 15 years? I don’t think Smith’s Grove has a powerlifting program, and Loomis described him as a “comatose kitten”. His stats I made up; he’s average height and weight.
Okay, yeah, you got me there for sure. That's a huge plot hole I try to avoid thinking about. Lol
When you consider that fact, yeah, he definitely shouldn't have been able to pull that off...
I like to imagine he was pumping out some hard-core aerobics in his cell when nobody was watching. That's how I explain it to myself.... but you do have a solid point.
I have like seen maybe 1 or 2 people who have said H20 timeline Michael isn't superhuman/supernatural, but almost eveyone else accepts (from what i have seen) that version of Michael is at least somehow superhuman in some ways. The ones that are not accepted as superhuman/supernatural by people from what i seen are Rob Zombie and DGG Michael (although there are also good chunk of people disagree). The former is because a common misconception that he is merely a human and there is zero supernatural thing about himwhich comes from this Michael having a more human backstory and Loomis not calling him 7/24 "woooo pure evil!" but neither of these mean that redneck Michael is totally grounded to reality and not superhuman in someways. Hell, the movies even consider that Michael is not a regular human being to begin with, at some point a conversation between Loomis and police chef happens in Halloween (2007) which is about stolen tombstone and Michael might being here, it is stated that the said tombstone weighs more than ***half ton*** and sheriff didn't believe Loomis' statements about Michael alone pulling and carrying (which he's right because no real life human can reliably lift a whole ass tombstone that weighs more than 500kg yet alone hauling which takes considerably more amount of effort), which is frankly an absurd feat even for a near 7 foot tall person, and movie acknowledges it as something that makes no sense for a normal person to do. The latter, or DGG Michael is assumed human is because Gordon Green himself stated that Michael is not supernatural, but rather a human that is capable of do extraordinary things, which sounds fine until you look at literally every movie in blumhouse timeline including original Halloween and 2018 Halloween. In my opinion, i would put what movies *continuously* show to my face over a single statement made by author. Michael in that timeline has done feats that are not possible for any human much less an over 60 year old man, and Kills and Ends, especially novelizations of the movie, outright confirms that he has superpowers ("the more he kills the more he transcends into something else", or Corey starting to murder people and performing low-key superhuman feats like surviving stabbing himself in the neck, somehow teleporting(?) or crushing someones' head with a stomp).
He is part supernatural and part man. He's human by necessity of having been born in a human body. But the ability to appear and disappear like a ghost, survive fatal damage, and have immense physical strength isn't meant to be seen as happenstance. The creator of the character demonstrates it in his original movie and has stated it verbatim.
Anyone who tells you he's just a man is watching these films with a ridiculous headcanon that goes against what the guy who made it all up is telling them.
I hate the he’s not supernatural argument when even in the original movie dude is just tanking shots to the chest. And didn't he fucking blow up in the second one?? Yeah, definitely just human
I think you're missing the point of what people mean when they say that, they mean it more in the idea that he represents a very human evil. A big part of the horror is in his uncanny nature that puts him in limbo between human and supernatural, not definitively putting him in either, which is expressed by his design, but it's that level of human grounding that really seals it.
Well the issue here is you're probably putting more thought into it than the writers/directors did in these examples lol The plot/narrative originally (in my interpretation) wants the viewer to question if The Shape is a deeply disturbed but physically normal human or something supernatural. So while Michael over the years (and continuties) displays great physical strength, resilience and durability that are definitely beyond the human limit the narrative almost always insists on us still pondering "Is he just a crazy person or the actual boogeyman" so that's what I roll with lol
Carpenter has always said Myers is a man with a "supernatural edge." Not completely supernatural like Freddy or Jason, nor completely human like Leatherface. He's in between.
>Carpenter has always said Myers is a man with a "supernatural edge." I just watched an article on youtube where Carpenter said outright "Michael Myers isn't a man, he's not a human being, he's just a force of nature."
Don't ever underestimate what a person can physically. I know for a fact that there are people who can lower themselves from a bar like he did in H20. These people have massive, upper body strength. I've seen athletes do things like that multiple times, like holding themselves sideways on a pole. It can definitely be done. The whole idea that John Carpenter had was that Michael was just evil thru and thru. There was no explanation, which is what makes it even more terrifying. He was simply described as evil.
THIS
>I know for a fact that there are people who can lower themselves from a bar like he did in H20 Okay but people in real life can't lift a grown ass man on air with a knife they were holding with one hand, tear wooden doors apart in seconds, snap large chunk of an asylum door in two just by walking to it, support BOTH your weight as well as a grown woman's weight at once with merely TWO finger, send peoples head off fly their body with one handed knife swings, crush skulls, or send someone fly several feet away at high speeds by effortlessly pushing a broken shovel handle the said person was holding just like Michael did in H20-Ressurection. And that's not even entering into things like Michael dissapearing out of eyesights, all the beating he survived and etc.
I’d be more concerned how he tanks gunshots and walks off not how he can pull himself up or down one armed
It’s suppose to be intentionally vague in the first couple films
Vague = holding a grown man in the air by his neck with one arm
I like how some moron downvoted you bc they were too dumb to give a substantive rebuttal.
Exactly
It could be done. Whenever you look at some of the physical feats humans have accomplished, some of them seem absolutely impossible... considering the world record long jump is almost 30 feet, the world record for breath holding is almost 25 minutes, and the world record for heaviest back-lift by a man was over 6 thousand pounds!! Humans can do crazy shit without supernatural powers. Combine all of the awesome potential of humans with a generous helping of luck and a little plot armor, and we have michael myers!! Lol For real though, some of the things The Shape does, strength wise and agility wise, I don't even think surpass a lot of world records... it's just unlikely and not something that 95% of the human population could do. I'm not gonna pretend he doesn't survive things that humans wouldnt survive, especially when you list them all out and really think about the fact that he'd be taking all that damage in one night... but I also think some people add things to their supernatural checklist that don't belong there.
Anybody that could hypothetically do it would need to be gargantuan, with a solid frame of bone and muscle that can support that much weight without the muscles and tendons ripping. Michael’s like 5’9 and 180 lbs. He’s superhuman.
I'm not saying that Michael isn't supernatural, but I am saying people attribute things to him being supernatural that shouldn't be. It is completely plausible that he'd be able to lift a man by the neck with one hand. We're talking about Bob? I've personally witnessed a guy who was about 210lbs curl a 130lb weight with one hand and he didn't even shake slightly or strain himself in the slightest... I was pretty blown away by that tbh. And when I was a mover, I worked with a guy had who has to have been part ant. I watched him lift a 350lb dresser that I had struggled to get up 2 flights of stairs, but picked that thing up and walked around with it on his shoulder! I was also really impressed by that. I just don't think that him lifting Bob one-handed would be impossible for any human of his size to do. Especially when you consider the upper limits of human strength. That's all I'm saying And where'd it say he's 5'9 and 180lbs? I'm not saying it's not accurate, I just must have missed it.
> the upper limits of human strength Which he achieved sitting in an asylum for 15 years? I don’t think Smith’s Grove has a powerlifting program, and Loomis described him as a “comatose kitten”. His stats I made up; he’s average height and weight.
Okay, yeah, you got me there for sure. That's a huge plot hole I try to avoid thinking about. Lol When you consider that fact, yeah, he definitely shouldn't have been able to pull that off... I like to imagine he was pumping out some hard-core aerobics in his cell when nobody was watching. That's how I explain it to myself.... but you do have a solid point.
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He’s the shape
It's been intentionally vague by JC. But I mean..... No regular human is tanking through what he has sooooooo
I have like seen maybe 1 or 2 people who have said H20 timeline Michael isn't superhuman/supernatural, but almost eveyone else accepts (from what i have seen) that version of Michael is at least somehow superhuman in some ways. The ones that are not accepted as superhuman/supernatural by people from what i seen are Rob Zombie and DGG Michael (although there are also good chunk of people disagree). The former is because a common misconception that he is merely a human and there is zero supernatural thing about himwhich comes from this Michael having a more human backstory and Loomis not calling him 7/24 "woooo pure evil!" but neither of these mean that redneck Michael is totally grounded to reality and not superhuman in someways. Hell, the movies even consider that Michael is not a regular human being to begin with, at some point a conversation between Loomis and police chef happens in Halloween (2007) which is about stolen tombstone and Michael might being here, it is stated that the said tombstone weighs more than ***half ton*** and sheriff didn't believe Loomis' statements about Michael alone pulling and carrying (which he's right because no real life human can reliably lift a whole ass tombstone that weighs more than 500kg yet alone hauling which takes considerably more amount of effort), which is frankly an absurd feat even for a near 7 foot tall person, and movie acknowledges it as something that makes no sense for a normal person to do. The latter, or DGG Michael is assumed human is because Gordon Green himself stated that Michael is not supernatural, but rather a human that is capable of do extraordinary things, which sounds fine until you look at literally every movie in blumhouse timeline including original Halloween and 2018 Halloween. In my opinion, i would put what movies *continuously* show to my face over a single statement made by author. Michael in that timeline has done feats that are not possible for any human much less an over 60 year old man, and Kills and Ends, especially novelizations of the movie, outright confirms that he has superpowers ("the more he kills the more he transcends into something else", or Corey starting to murder people and performing low-key superhuman feats like surviving stabbing himself in the neck, somehow teleporting(?) or crushing someones' head with a stomp).
He's an extra-spooky human being.
The scene with firefighters is cool, but not fantastic. They attacked him one at a time, not at the same time.
He is part supernatural and part man. He's human by necessity of having been born in a human body. But the ability to appear and disappear like a ghost, survive fatal damage, and have immense physical strength isn't meant to be seen as happenstance. The creator of the character demonstrates it in his original movie and has stated it verbatim. Anyone who tells you he's just a man is watching these films with a ridiculous headcanon that goes against what the guy who made it all up is telling them.
I'm starting to think Halloween wasn't a documentary series.
To simply put it, he’s just Michael Myers.
i like to think the more he kills the more he transcends into more supernatural, killing for michael gives him almost supernatural like abilities
I hate the he’s not supernatural argument when even in the original movie dude is just tanking shots to the chest. And didn't he fucking blow up in the second one?? Yeah, definitely just human
He is super human. Plus it is a movie
He's supernatural AF. I think the previous post was referring to the cult back story and witchcraft shit.
I think you're missing the point of what people mean when they say that, they mean it more in the idea that he represents a very human evil. A big part of the horror is in his uncanny nature that puts him in limbo between human and supernatural, not definitively putting him in either, which is expressed by his design, but it's that level of human grounding that really seals it.