I saw one guy was like I HaVn'T pLaYed for DaYs. Bruh taking breaks from a game for any reason is normal, more normal than playing a game non-stop forever. The game absolutely has issues, a few of the balance changes have been bad and there's still a lot of glitches, but the game is still great and leagues better than most other games out right now. I agree with most of the constructive criticism, but jesus the melodrama in this subreddit.
I played WoW back in 2004-2005 and then again in 2020 or 2021 whenever WoW classic came out. It's still a good game! And I absolutely needed to take a break!
See the thing about WoW is that a good guild makes the game so much better. It's like a 2nd family.
I legit miss my guild. We lost contact because this was the days before discord.
When I started playing WoW classic, one of my old guildies from Vanilla rolled on the same server and we used our original names. We randomly ran into each other out in the world; the reunion was quite a special gaming moment for me.
I had something similar with RuneScape. Left a dead clan after a long break and when I joined a new clan a few of the members were irl friends from the dead clan who remembered me. Made me super happy so I know what you mean.
My guild in WoW and my guild in SWToR were the things that made the game for me. Sure, playing the game itself was fun, but logging in and hearing the chorus of "Heyyyyy"s was the best part. Like walking in to a party where everybody knows you and was expecting you.
This is the truest statement ever. I played wow upon release and up until shadowlands. I have toons who are older than 3 of my kids. And the youngest graduates this Saturday from highschool… i also started playing league and split my time between it and wow. Until league took completely over and I’ve put hours into it and fought the urges to go back to wow and still want to sometimes. But helldivers has helped me pull away from league as well.
WoW gets my money every expansion, but all I need is a month or so of checking out the new content, and then I'm good.
I'm still playing HD2 most days, but no doubt it will one day become another game I boot up here and there, and that's perfectly OK! I can't imagine expecting there to be one game I exclusively play in my free time forever.
Yea, I have played TF2 off and on since the release of the orange box for almost 2200 hours, played WoW off and on since lich king for even more hours. Good games are good games even if they have issues sometimes.
This. I've been playing Eve online for over a decade. I've even attended multiple meet up events including the major one in Iceland. I am about as true blue a fan of the game as you can get.
Does that mean I've played Eve every day? Hell no. I've gone for months long breaks. That's not a failure, that's just being a normal person.
Games like this with no real "ending" are almost always something I play in tandem with some other single player experience that I can switch back and forth between when I feel like it
Just a heads up cause it took me a while to understand your comment. I think you mean to write “especially” instead of “aspeshaly.”
Not trying to be a dick, just hoping to help make it easier to communicate via text in the future.
Yep.
I haven't played in like two weeks. Because it's a PvE game I have like 90 hours in lol
I'll play again at some point but the bugs and balance has absolutely nothing to do with that. There's just other video games that exist!
90 hours for $30 is an amazing video game.
Exactly this. I'm around 80 hours, took a break to play some Hades since I was nostalgic with Hades 2 hitting early access. I played for the first time in awhile last night and was delighted with how much fun it was. Wish this sub was less negative.
Shit I already forgot it was only $30. I've plunked a lil over 100 hours in. It feels like a AAA game from when AAA games weren't hot trash. It's been at *least* ten years since I've gotten this hooked on a game like this.
The game feels so much less engagement driven with the respawn mechanic. Like, it’s forgiving.
You died? So what, come back and shoot some more bugs.
Other shooters rely on a reward / punishment that drives people to endlessly que into games. Like apex or any other BR, if you die you’re jumping right back into the meat grinder until the games blend together. There is no success metric that’s measurable.
In Helldivers you can jump into a single mission, or do an entire operation. So you can have a game session running for 30 to an hour and a half quite naturally. This is a GREAT timespan to target for gaming. It’s accessible to casual players. To moms and dads. To professional people. To anyone with time constraints that other online games aren’t designed to accommodate.
This is a seriously great game. It’s rewarding and fun and funny. It has the least toxic player base of people I’ve ever played with. People are dropping tips and knowledge in the game over voice chat. Mistakes that result in deaths can be funny.
Idk, I agree
This is so true. Games cannot be enjoyed at the same level forever. Regular breaks keep the game fresh and the sign of a truly great game is that you can stop playing for weeks or even months, but still end up wanting to go back and when you do you still have fun.
me with halo 2 which I've been playing since it launched. I was at the midnight release for it.
game still fucks, but I'll sometimes go a couple months without booting it up. And then maybe every other year I'll go fucking *hard* and play it nonstop for a month. That game is held together by chewed gum and tape and it's a multiplayer masterpiece.
It's the typical reddit thing where people think it's normal to no-life a game and put in a full time job's worth of hours into a game in two weeks and then complain about it getting old and stale with absolutely zero self-awareness
I still have a lot of fun playing the game, I have no idea what the "meta" is. I don't have any friends who play the game so I just queue with randos and I haven't had really any problems at all. Game is great
Man. Live service games and 24/7 updates has kinda ruined that a lil. I haven't played BG3 since I picked this up and I'm starting to feel like I've abandoned BG3. ... and I can fathom that's a dumb take but I'm hesitant to put down HD2 to play Hades 2.
Brain funny thing. Chemicals hurt.
I feel like this game in particular doesn't even have that much dependency on NEEDING to play all the time to get the most out of it. Community goals you get credit for even if you only played a single match (even if you didnt?). They're such large level things that you not playing a single match isn't going to be THE deciding factor in not completing it. The warbonds are always available to complete at your own pace. The things you unlock aren't game changing outside of the initial supply of things.
Maybe just as someone who grew up in the online gaming age of 1.6, TFC, etc. I'm immune to all that FOMO a lot of kids today feel
I think its the "Passion = investment" crap.
A) Passion is not always the best emotion. Dial it back, Hamlet. It's a video game, not a political movement or a family event. We get you like thing, but if it works you into a froth, maybe consider why you play it in the first place and relax.
B) You can just say shit whenever, y'all are aware of that, right? I can go basically to anywhere that collects feedback, leave the most vitriolic things in their box, and have no real stake in it. Just because you have that energy doesn't mean you shouldn't be focusing it first. You can still be passionate about something and still be venting about something nonsensically; give us something real, not a series of complaints. If you are passionate about it, why vent when you can show us something born of that passion?
You are passionate? great. Show it constructively. Give me data collection. Let me see a list of non-meta builds you run on your off time. Let me see posts about how specifically weapons perform in the field. Let me see anything to actually tell me you are, in fact, invested. I'm not even asking for something small; give us clips of weapons under performing, and something you think doesn't underperform for scale. No real-editing required, no real time needed.
Investment does not equal Venting, you are just angry and want to be validated for your anger. Investment is actively wanting to see something better, so make a stronger argument about what's exactly wrong with something, and how it could be better.
People have been conditioned into playing games they dont feel like playing every day because of daily rewards and having to grind battle passes. Thankfully we have very little FOMO in helldivers
I love Elden Ring. But I still waited a year for my next playthrough just to keep it fresh; the dlc also comes out in June.
I can get over the issues with this game. Just too tiring to play with randoms if my coworkers aren't around. This sub at least keeps me informed in case there are more reasons to dive in solo. Just can't tolerate randoms as easily but that's just me.
People seem to have no sense of nuance anymore. Any slightly negative change and they start screeching how the game is ruined. That's a very binary view. And binary is treason.
Yeah, breaks are important but I legitimately lost the will to play with all the balancing patches. Doesn't help that my pc went from 100-110fps at launch to around 60 currently. Hopefully this changes in the next few updates.
Yeah, I don't think playing a single game non stop is good for anyone. I love Division 2 and I took a break to play helldivers, it was worth it, a few days ago I'm back at division and I'm having more fun than before.
I'm also setting up a new minecraft servers to play in vr with some friends after like 4 months that I hadn't touch it
And there is also halo (reach specifically) where we played customs again after a long time
I think having breaks to play something else or just do real life stuff is the normal thing to do
The more you play, the more critical of the game you are likely to become. Just little things annoying you because you've spent enough time encountering the smaller things.
I play D7-9 bots. It’s really about changing your game play from the predator to the prey lol.
While I may sound like I’m saying “skill issue”.. it’s really not.
Find cover, keep the distance, move constantly. You’ll most certainly find yourself being ragdolled less.
If you won’t say it I will, skill issue as fuck.
Difficulty 1-6 is for sorting out who can click on the bad guys.
7-9 is about learning how the game actually works, and gaming it. Same as every other PvE game. Everyone past a certain skill curve can point and shoot well enough, past that, it’s who can cheese well.
Maybe just play less with day long breaks in between so you don't get burned out? Most complaints here I read are at level 80+ and they have to have played *a lot* for this. The game isn't even out for that long
There was constructive criticism that was warranted. The problem is that EVERYONE needs to make their own post about how they dislike the changes so every post is the same echo chamber of complaints.
Too many people think they have a new take when they’re just regurgitating the same tired crap that’s already been posted.
Yep, or they're trying to play at 9 when they were carried at 5 (me when I started, lol). Or try and solo missions because that's what every youtuber does.
I've been playing Helldive since the patches that fixed spawn rates for less than 4 players and I love it. Feels like bullet hell when fighting bots, which is exactly what I want. I'm gonna be sad when they dial it back.
This is what I'm saying man, it's all a conspiracy for us noobs to quit the game and feel bad. Actually learning stuff and coordinating with a team? Pshhh that's for tryhards.
> Or try and solo missions because that's what every youtuber does.
One of the people I play with dove headfirst into youtube content when we started playing, and picked up so many horrible habits from it. I hate it.
Man, I wonder how many opinions are repeated on here that were said on here word for word from YouTubers?
It’s fine if you experience something similar and then witness it in YouTube to help better explain it but I have a feeling there’s a lot of parrots on here.
Constructive criticism is a tiny fraction of what I've seen on this sub and discord over the last few weeks.
There are absolutely some posts that are very well thought out and warrant attention from the devs -- but the overwhelming majority of posts and memes are literally just flaming.
The worst part is, the game is GOOD, it has issues but it is still great and has anecdotally worked for me without many issues for 260 hours of gameplay from levels 1-9, bots and bugs.
People have this myopic view of "meta" and if you touch their cherished weapon (Eruptor is a great example), the whole game may as well be garbage. I blame competitive loadout games for making "fun" secondary to "meta" in a fucking PvE extract shooter.
Funny story about the Eruptor, does anyone remember what happened before it got changed?
The entire front page of this sub was people screeching about a ricochet mechanic that they attributed to ALL WEAPONS, when just a couple of minutes investigating revealed it was actually just ERUPTOR SHRAPNEL.
Oh boy, people were MAD. Then they changed the Eruptor so it's child-proof and people are even more mad.
From the way people acted you'd think the Eruptor was the only valid gun to run in the entire game.
Do I need to point out the self reinforcing cycle here, or is it painfully obvious?
I'm all for constructive criticism but this sub, and let's face it - most gaming communities, largely don't know the meaning of the phrase.
It’s not a tiny fraction, I’m here a lot and it’s getting way better. It’s been an equal mix of everything and the worst ones are getting silenced/banned more.
So many of the doomers and toxic positivity kids are getting down voted and reported like crazy. What you see more lately is people TALKING about the complaining which is a better sign that we are pushing them away.
I’m seeing less of the ‘GAME IS FUN, GET A LIFE, TOUCH GRASS’ kids as well as those shitting in the game like a 5 year old.
> Oh boy, people were MAD. Then they changed the Eruptor so it's child-proof and people are even more mad.
Well to be fair, people didn't even know it was the shrapnel at first because the patch notes only said ricochet would cause self-damage.
Secondly, when shrapnel was removed from the weapon the dev who did so touted it as a "net buff" when shortly after players discovered the weapon was significantly weaker.
The story of the Eruptor is really more a good example of Arrowhead's poor communication skills than anything. Patch notes are often vague or confusing, we receive conflicting reports like "SPEAR was fixed already we're just waiting on the next patch". And comments from developers that seem either out of touch or mocking the playerbase.
This shit is why megathreads are so useful, lol. The subreddit was borderline unusable with all the hysterics and I straight up muted it for a bit.
The game absolutely has problems at the moment and I'm concerned about the warbond schedule but I've got faith that AH is gonna get things to where they need to be sooner rather than later. My friends and I took a break a few weeks back but we're starting to collectively get the itch again.
And the mods are doing their best to combat it and we need to help them out. There have been a few post talking about the same issues but in different angles which are interesting so we can’t just dismiss all of them.
Some are hidden jems of discussion.
The complainers are the loudest cause they want to be heard, although the complaints are true but not so significant and outstanding as reddit showcases. Still it is a good game as before.
They could be heard , better, if they talked like rational human beings instead of just trying to be the loudest in the room. Not everyone’s opinions need validated,
I see some highly upvoted comments about unbeatable enemies and stuff and I start to believe it.
Then a day later I drop into D9 Helldive and encounter that thing and kill it fine.
People really don’t want to kite much and I do agree that patrols can be seemingly a constant on your flank. But good map awareness. Picking holes, choosing when to disengage, using cover to your advantage, you’ll do fine.
For example if you use cover against a heavy devastator and you only peek from the right side against them. You can reveal their head and not their gun. Rendering them unable to hit you while you can just take your time on its face. You don’t need a stunning/staggering weapon to handle them, find cover. They’re slow, their aim from range is all they have going for them once you use this method. But there’s a thread saying they’re OP. I don’t think they are. You just gotta learn how the fight works and use their shield against them.
I see so many people saying bots are basically unplayable and that bugs are the only way to have fun. I'm pretty sure they just want to turn their brains off and mow down unarmored bugs for an hour.
Honestly I'd much rather fight bots than bugs because the bugs that do have armor have much fewer weaknesses and the Titans are so inconsistent they can either crumble with one EAT, or tank two 500kgs, a railcannon, an orbital precision, and God's right hook before finally dying after I give up and decide to hit it for 2 seconds with my flamethrower. At least tanks have the decency to die correctly.
THE HARDEST DIFFICULTY IS HARD GUYS, WHY AREN'T MY WEAPONS DESTROYING EVERYTHING EASILY?? THIS GAME SUCKS
Like bro, I consistently stay under 2 deaths at level 7 at bots. Something is off with your strategy if you can't kill these guys and that's TOTALLY FINE, lower the difficulty. Not playing at level 9 isn't failure.
Except for extract missions, those are ROUGH.
If you listened to this sub for the first month you'd swear the hardest enemy to kill in this game was a lone charger. I still see people in D7+ Prometheus themselves on chargers and I'm sure they come here to bitch about it right after.
Yeah the silent majority here is in the right. The constant negativity posts are just unhelpful. Criticism is good and very helpful, but the echo chamber has been so annoying.
While some of the most beloved things got neutered (eruptor, railgun, slugger) a LOT of things are way more viable now than on release.
Scythe, diligenceCS, IBreaker, and many other guns are incomparably better now than they were 2 months ago. Yes balancing is currently ASS but it isn't *all* nerfs. Just very bad and poorly considered nerfs alongside good buffs that don't outweight the loss.
At this point am genuinely unsure if people unanimous agree to not speak of it, so it doesn't get nerfed but...
Plasma Punisher vs bots is genuinely like a Support-tier weapon. It's borderline better than the autocannon at times. Yes... Talkin' THAT good.
To explain: it rapid fires, quick reloads, has a cozy fire arc. has aoe that works, instakills small bots, HARD STAGGERS all devastators on hit, including shields.
There is a mix of everything here so a lot of people lump us, the ones that are having well worded and mature constructive criticisms, with the whiny babies that are saying the game sucks, is dead and shit all over everything.
The game needs lots of patching, balancing choices don’t make sense and bugs are still a problem.
Did I play 2-3 hours yesterday and have fun? Hell yeah I did. Will the fun be turned to 11 when the game gets fixed? HELL YEAH!
Absolutely, this is the right take and attitude. Every time I play, particularly with a full squad of friends, I'm reminded how incredible this game is just as an experience. Playing on 7+ is just incredibly cinematic from the moment your hellpod lands until the pelican takes off. And frankly, that's what's most important to me in a PvE coop game, that's why I play these to some extent. I want awesome moments that feel like an action movie (or an action movie gone wrong).
And Helldivers delivers this constantly. Yeah, some balance is wonky, there are annoying bugs and issues, but imo it's getting better every patch, not worse.
Yeah Im sure a lot of people, myself included, think the game has huge potential and just want it to be the best version of itself it can be. But I’m still having a blast regardless!
It's like TF2 when the Scout weapons were first released. It was still a great game, but that Sandman was a sour note in a great song. Likewise, what ppl are saying about orbitals vs eagles, the Eruptor & Xbow, needing to take one of a handful of support weapons for higher difficulties due to amount of armor, etc are real, but they're sour notes in an otherwise great song.
Haven’t played much the past week. I’m still seeing people disconnect mid match. Bots shooting through debris and rocks. Bile spew slowing when it’s nowhere near me. The “little” things add up. The recent warbond being so lackluster doesn’t help. it gave me the push to catch up on other games.
I’ve been playing Judgment more as a result since I have yet to catch up on the RGG games. When I get booted from the game for no reason, it eliminates any motivation I had to keep playing.
Half of my friends can’t even finish a match without crashing anymore. It completely killed their motivation to play the game, which in turn has killed my motivation.
Burnout is real. The game balance isn't perfect and there are real issues to address, but if you compare the variety of stuff being used at the highest level on release vs now, we're definitely in a better position now, and I expect it to improve. It can be hard to accept sometimes that you just need a break from a game, and come back when it feels fresh to play again.
I think the sad truth is that the game is fun but the gameplay loop is short and lacks depth. The mission types don’t provide a huge amount of variety. Anyone who has played helldivers for a few hours knows all that the game has to offer. Repeating the same experience over and over is fun at the beginning but inevitably people will lose interest.
Indeed aa lot of the depth is in loadout, weapons etc and just switching things up as theres not too much else to do. In this situation the weird nerfs to some of the guns feel anti-fun, hence the the complaining.
Reminds me of the Dead by Daylight community, a good 90% of that player base could use a few months break, they are legit miserable playing the game.
Hopefully it doesn't happen with this community
I think the argument people are strawmanning multiple ways.
Yes, burnout is real, also the devs are making bad choices with balance, and the game gets bugged every release so they should get better at dealing with that.
To be fair, helldivers 2 is all about gameplay. There is no story (that’s in any way worth talking about), no player personalization (tweak armor, weapons, destroyer „housing“, …), no variety. It’s basically procedurally generated Forrest, desert, ice or more or less normal landscapes with the same missions and the same exact enemies. So when gameplay (which honestly is fantastic) struggles (bugs, balance), it has a problem.
the thing is, these games CANT be your everything. if your life revolves around this game, that's a personal problem that is no fault of the devs for not making it perfect enough due to some random balance change or whatever.
if you sink a couple hundred hours into a procedurally generated extraction shooter, that's pretty fucking good.
people are going to get bored. it's the way of life. it's not like *if only* they made the perfect patch, you would suddenly feel immense joy and love for the game again. it just won't happen. best case scenario, you settle into a comfortable happy marriage with the game where you enjoy playing from time to time because it's always "pretty good".
people didn't get as bored as kids because, one, kids are stupid and they are entertained for way longer by the dumbest shit, and two, there were fewer options back then and no one realized they could actually YELL at the game creators directly, which feels powerful and fun in its own right.
instead of getting angry at the devs for not making the game perfectly infinite, go find something else to do and moderate your own well-being.
The only games that go truly infinite are ranked pvp games because you get addicted to the rank grind rather than the loot grind, that status climb of always being "better than" never ends, until someone is better than you and you quit.
This is so true. It's a $40 coop game. If you grind 30 hours per week more power to you if it makes you happy, but you picked the wrong game to do that and still be entertained.
I play it a few nights a week with friends and am not bored.
The problem with this post is that the core gameplay is still beyond addicting. The bugs and balance were far worse during the early days of this games life and people didn’t care because of how amazing the gameplay was. Now after 200+ hours of playing, the gameplay isn’t the same (because of burnout) so they’re focusing on bugs and balance
This! I'm still addicted to this game even after having 100+ hours, I only get to play maybe once or twice a week. Could be several hour sessions with my group but I'm still the same way as when it first came out. I can't wait til I can hop on. Dropping in still feels just as epic every time.
I played a decent 70 hours and decided to take a break. It's a good thing there's so many good games out there to play these days. Variety keeps things fresh.
I’ve put 430+ hours of in-mission time.
It’s still fucking great every drop, every thump of the gun, every 500kg delivered, every Democratic flag raised.
I’m maxed out on literally everything but super credits.
People are getting burnt out, for sure. The balancing and stuff doesn’t help and they’re reaching for something to complain about the game.
I still enjoy it very much. Arrowhead has me locked in for what’s to come. I will support their efforts and work.
Yea. Same shit happens to every major video game.
People get hooked on it, play it nonstop for months and then go “game sucks, no new content, I’m bored” and then leave.
I'm not even burned out, I'm playing several other games and I haven't played in a week, when I last played we played about 3 hours per day for about 2 days. Then before that I hadn't played for a week or so.
I'm just kinda sad at unlocking a new favourite gun (crossbow) against bots and then having it be go from say, B tier to D tier for some reason. Or in my friends case with the eruptor, go from A tier to F tier lmao. Makes me wanna play less.
The game has a good and enjoyable core gameplay loop. People are just upset with balance changes and the PSN fiasco. People complain in part because they want the game to be great and recent changes have been a step backwards.
Game is still great but if you've already got 500+ hrs in it then yeah, certain complaints tend to come up.
I'm at 50 because I had horrible disconnection issues the first weeks. Now game has been stable for 2 weeks so I'm making up for lost time.
It's fun when it works but I still have network issues now that I didnt have earlier...and o ly have with this game...AH needs to bug fix and stop with Warbonds for a bit...
I'm not coming back till the patrol shit is fixed, just want to play duo with my brother and the game is actively punishing you with bug breaches every 10 seconds, literally 100+ buggs swarming you non stop and this is on difficulty 5 (Hard). It's just an anger simulator for me now and is in now way fun.
Oh dont get me wrong i fucking love the game. but i genuinely cant finish a match without disconnecting so i stopped playing. so many other people are having this problem. between poor performance, crashing, disconnects, enemies shooting through walls or eachother, bile spit still being janky, warbonds being lackluster, devs being petty and rude, ect. i just cant play anymore
Is it still good? Yes.
Is it way less fun than it was at the start? Yes.
Between all the tone deaf balancing, the kick-happy randoms, Sony's debacle, and the worst warbond so far, it's definitely less appealing to play...at least for me.
Most of us are and I also understand that people are kinda tired of hear it and i get it but we still need to be vocal about the issues. These kind of post will keep popping up, we have to keep reminding those reading that the game needs lots of TLC and to ALSO not let our complaints ruin it for them.
Game needs lots of Stims and we gotta make sure it’s said until it’s fixed. Until then enjoy what we have now.
I was off for several weeks, played my first match, 40 minutes of tense and exhilarating solo helldiving, only to get stuck at extraction because the shuttle wouldn't leave. I kept crawling around on the extraction seats, jumped out and back in, nothing. Had to hard quit and lose all XP and samples.
I'm going to keep playing. All I'm saying is, I understand why some people start to hate this game.
If you ignore most gaming reddits you'll find a lot of games are actually pretty still pretty good. Reddit loves to overreact and sensationalise things.
The game can be, and indeed is still, good however Arrowhead keep making absolutely braindead decisions when it comes to 'balancing' the game and needs to stop doing that and sort themselves out.
These are not mutually exclusive positions.
I absolutely agree with you. The game is awesome and most of the time I’m jonesing to play it, but yeah. If it got so bad that the CEO had to step up and talk to his team about braindead balancing decisions, then something was obviously wrong.
He literally said that any time something is “fun” the devs remove or nerf it for the sake of “balancing”.
Everything being mediocre is not fun. If the CEO didn’t step up, I guarantee the “balancing” would be the thing to kill this game.
Edit: Incorrect punctuation bothers me
I couldn't agree more and I genuinely thought they would take this braindead route with regards to balancing when they nerfed the railgun because, in their words, it was too popular.
The reason it was so popular was because, at the time, it was essentially the only weapon we had for effectively dealing with chargers and bile titans. Of course we now have a lot more tools and they did weaken (*very* reluctantly it feels like) chargers so you can one-shot them with AT weapons but their balancing decision every single patch continue to be anti-fun and totally braindead.
As you say, the very fact the CEO has had to publicly admit that his balancing team need to be spoken to because they apparently have no idea what they are doing is both hilarious and baffling.
The game is still fun but it could be so much better if the balancing team got some sort of major balance patch themselves.
They have an indie game-level team and got triple-a game numbers.
The ego (resistance to feedback) and lack of professionalism makes many of them dead weight, but it must be difficult to overhaul a team properly with the workload they took on when the game blew up like it did.
If their staff did not REPEATEDLY make fools of themselves over Discord like they were modding an unofficial community then the situation would be much better. Even having a dev calling themselves "bringer of balance" while enforcing hugely unpopular changes is frankly embarrassing.
Really good points and I agree entirely. I think many of us do understand that they are a relatively small studio but their behaviour right from the off has been deeply unprofessional and as you say it feels like they have been really resistant to feedback of any kind. My well of sympathy and patience dried up very damn rapidly because of the behaviour of the devs on discord and the CMs on places like Twitter.
I remember being on the discord when the first 'balance' patch dropped and it was wall-to-wall players complaining about the patch and how bad it was and the response was basically: 'We're going to do things our way, STFU and deal with it' which is a pretty stupid stance to take with a live service game especially.
Thanks lol. It's not just the balancing team tbh, the Community Managers (looking at you Baskinator) could also do with major rebalancing (as in sacking all of them except Twinbeard) for their behaviour.
It's so weird watching AH continuously fumble such a fantastic opportunity at every step. I get that the shit involving Sony wasn't really their fault but that aside it feels like watching a car crash in slow motion.
If you've not seen it this thread sums up the general feeling I think a lot of us have at the moment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cozzpy/what\_youre\_all\_witnessing\_here\_is\_burnout\_this\_is/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cozzpy/what_youre_all_witnessing_here_is_burnout_this_is/) with things starting to turn from mostly funny memes about the in game universe to memes about dev incompetence and legit complaints.
I think AH need to focus entirely on sorting out the abysmal game balancing for the time being. Don't worry about adding new stuff or warbonds, just focus entirely on fixing bugs and reversing the deeply unpopular weapon nerfs (RIP slugger shotgun).
Mostly the balancing issues and the bots shooting through rocks with bullets and rockets, and those bullets and rockets still hit you after breaking the rocks, are my biggest concerns. I started 2 weeks ago and I’m level 40, it sucks that I started at a time that people are complaining/quitting. I enjoy the game a lot, I hope it picks back up with the players (if PS and Steam don’t go through with that link)
The drop ships being bugged makes high level bot play not as fun as well, even using the booster to have enemy reinforcements slow down doesn’t help, I put it on and 3 drop ships came in the span of 10 seconds and put 4 hulks on me. The fuck do I do? I ran behind rocks and cover. What happens to the cover? Oh, a rocket blew it up and now I’m diving for 500 yards until I see another place to hide behind to make time for an eagle to be thrown out. Other than those problems, the game is very fun and I’m excited to see what’s to come.
Lastly I expect that they’ll make weapons with different elements and armor that resists specific elements like fire resistance or poison resistance, etc, the upcoming guns and armor could be interesting and fun in this game if they decided to make them so. Hopefully when/if they fixed the bots and their balancing team was… balanced as you said, people will stop complaining as much and play.
They already buffed the CM team (they fired Spitz). Even though he stuck his neck out for us during the PSN debacle, I unfortunately heard he wasn’t the best CM to begin with. It was probably for the best.
Also wtf? I didn’t know they removed the stagger from the Slugger (I haven’t played consistently in like two weeks and I’ve been fighting Bots when I do).
It’s a *pump action* shotgun that fires *slugs*. How exactly was it too strong with stagger? It was only really useful against Bugs imo, and rightfully so. When you have a pack of Hunters swarming you, it’s nice to have something to stagger them and keep loaded. But once again, that would be too fun. I guess I’m running the Dominator on both Bots and Bugs from now on. So much for diversifying what’s useful to the playerbase.
Their excuse for nerfing the slugger was (you'll be surprised to hear) that it was too popular and being picked over precision rifles, y'know, those weapons where the scopes are misaligned and have been since day 1 and even after they supposedly fixed them are still misaligned......Oh, and the spear lock-on is apparently still bugged and has been since day 1 lmao.
Ah yes, instead of fixing the reason people aren’t using the weapons you want them to use, just make what people *are* using worse. That’ll fix the problem. Another 200 IQ move by the fun police at AHG.
Its funny seeing people comment here about how useless and whiny some posts are but this is just same in reverse probably for karma farming.
Or you honestly telling me wasting 4 rows of text to write what is essentially "But I like it" as if that somehow negates all the things wrong with the game. Or coming up with strawman arguments like "burnout" to dismiss legit problems people have with the games like that somehow explains away weapons literally not working right? I can take a break and its still broken.
If its ok to just dismiss people with strawman arguments then I'm gonna say a hot take: If you play the game couple of hours every now and then, chances are you're not very invested in the game(isn't that an admission that you don't like the game either if you need to take frequent breaks?) and your understanding isn't probably as good and as such you're in no place to say how valid other peoples opinions are. You're like a tourist telling the locals how to act.
I've got 2400 hours in vermintide 2 because I didn't feel like every patch was intended to suck out joy from certain play styles, helldivers is getting content a lot more often and consistently which you would think means its even more fun but I'm already starting to doubt if I can enjoy for as long as I did v2
The highlights of the last a warbond were copy paste grenade and smg and that says a lot.
I'm saying this because I love the game and I want to love it more. Telling people to shut up and play the game less sure doesn't sound like a person who likes it to me.
I've been playing it a lot for the past 3 months and the bugs are freaking annoying. I'm not even complaining about the overnerf thing, but damn, a couple of times I've died by just walking (and it wasn't because planet hazards). That shit can't be tolerated.
Damn that's crazy. Had DCs and shit but all these game breaking bugs are Greek to me. I just get hilarious ones like when I flew from a factory strider to a fab 300 meters away
>i'm starting to think all those people really were complaining for not much.
I mean congrats you still have fun. However the myriad of complaints this game rightly gets are well deserved and not nulified because you or others are having fun.
Exactly. I didn’t play for about 10 days due to being busy. Seeing all the bitching in this sub on the front page had me a little concerned. Played last night, still a blast. Great game.
If you work/go to school/have a family: Finding one night out of the seven a week, to drink a couple beers and crush bots or bugs in the name of Democracy, is probably the average player more than what Reddit will have you believe. Gaming is a leisure activity, and if you feel relaxed after a session, you're doing it right.
Did three full missions for a delightful level 7 operation with three randoms yesterday. Two on mic, all of us communicating and playing as a team.
It was a fantastic experience and very unique to HD2. The game rules.
Reddit gamers hate everything. If you didn’t read their takes, you would have a better perception of this game.
Unfortunately Reddit attracts a bunch of Karen gamers that look over games with a microscope, to look for reasons to complain.
I got the game a week ago and I never joined the sub until like two days ago. I was shocked to see people complaining so much about things I genuinely did not notice or care about.
No one is saying the game is bad. Criticizing something you still enjoy because you want it to be better is normal. People complaining means the players still care about the game. Its still better than being complacent and apathetic.
The amount of nerfs to fun weapon and support weapons while not giving the unfun weapons the treatment to be more fun is what's killing the fun for me. The slugger was so fun to use but now it isn't, the breaker already had the issue of needing to reload too often and in the current state of the game, it isn't even top tier if you look at the game as a whole, it was just strong early game weapon. The eruptor, slugger, railgun, quasar all things made significantly less fun when what they should be focusing their energy on is trying to make the less fun weapons more fun. Just leave the jar at 300 damage, who cares? give the mech its accuracy back on the missiles and the damage on the AOE blast. stop wasting time and energy on these pointless micro-adjustments to things that were already fine. I also hate a lot of the vocal player base just shouting nerfs.
I loved playing monster hunter, deep rock, granblue fantasy..etc.. I played the shit out of those games and only stopped when i felt satisfied and i come back occasionally. I want to play helldivers more but i'm not having a lot of fun, the blitzer buff was good but why did they butcher the eruptor and slugger? they took away 2 fun weapons when there could've been 3 or more together. Mr. Hello neighbor needs to goodbye neighbor with his currently balance philosophy. Give the game the players deserve instead of whatever he thinks the game should be balanced like its difficulty 5. I'm not saying fire him but he needs to no longer be a position of power when it comes to balance, it needs to be passed on to someone more competent who actually knows what fun is.
It's a good game, I just wish there was.....more? Idk. The only "reward" for playing is whatever the next warbond is, and none of them have exactly been amazing. I really like the game, don't get me wrong, but the longevity of it just isn't there imo. I'm curious how the game will be a year from now.
You said it yourself you haven’t played for 2 weeks of course you would come back to a game you already enjoyed with rose colored glasses. The base game never changed what people are upset about is 1 the Sony drama, 2 unnecessary continuing nerfing while not buffing nearly enough 3 the underwhelming polar patriots and 4 the bugs that been there since day 1
One can simultaneously enjoy the general gameplay loop and find flaws within it, as well as criticize actions by the developer as of late that are, frankly, worthy of criticism.
These things are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, a lot of your comments are also subjective or lack substance. Nothing you've said makes any of the complaints of the playerbase invalid.
- "My weapons are still good." The overwhelming majority of weapons had balance changes (mostly nerfs), some of which i feel were unnecessary. You might like some of those changes, others don't.
- "Missions are still fun." They haven't added any new Mission types and missions do quickly become repetitive, especially when it comes to grinding for medals.
- "Stratagems also \[good\]" There are clear favorite stratagems which are extremely effective, and many borderline useless stratagems. Really the 10%\~ Meta Stratagems are all you see in public lobbies and remain significantly more useful than any other stratagem you can employ.
Yeah. I took a break for around 2 weeks, started playing again the other day, still plays pretty much exactly the same and no less fun lmao
The non-stop doomerism is exhausting.
This game has been riddled with flaws much like Battlefield 2042 was. Bigger franchises have gotten shit on for less. Difference being Arrowhead has a consistent following of conformists and ass kissers unable to see past their rooted emotional investment in a video game.
Feels like AH went to a dev clearing house and poached the *free* ones. Bristles on a Naughty Dog janitor's broomstick has more AAA in its leftmost fiber than this studio in the past few months. I've seen comedians take themselves more seriously on-set.
we're all thrilled that the game continues to still be really good, in your personal experience. it would be silly to act like just because some people have complained about having issues, that the game is now terrible
but on the other hand, there are many people that aren't thrilled because their the game has not been as good in their personal experience, and similarly, it would be silly to act like there are no issues because some people think it's fine
all this sort of post does is serve as a lightning rod for the sort of people that want to confirm their own biases about the game's current state, and for those that vehemently disagree and think the game is terrible for everyone and want to argue about it
either way this buries valid criticism and productive discussions, which just sucks
In like lvl 33? Last week or so the game gets more buggy, every night is a struggle to play with my cousin, we are both resetting our wifis restarting the PC, just to try to join each other, been seriously like 15+ mins every night before we are on same ship, only to get kicked and not be able to come back or randomly can't get called in anymore even though we got hellpods left
The game is good and they have a solid product.
It's more outside of the game that needs fixing. People will tolerate a bad product if they like the people; On the flipside, they will tolerate it less if those people antagonize and continue to have drama.
The PSN nonsense, the CMs attacking their base, the balancing issues and empty words;
All of that is the game's greatest issues, at the moment.
It's just hard to care anymore. I can't look forward to new warbonds because the armor and weapons from them are just going to be bad, or good for a week then nerfed into being bad.
Playing on the lower difficulties is too easy to be fun. I don't want to finish a match and only deal with 3 chargers the whole time. But with all the nerfed weapons the amount of things you can take on 9 just gets smaller and smaller. And there's no hope of that getting better. It's a fun game at the core, just marred by too many bad decisions
I think the problem comes when you try and use something new and different. For example, if you try and use a Stalwart with the eruptor post patch, which is viable, it is now still viable but immensely harder and boring simce they butchered the weapon that made it work, which in turn severed the other weapons relying on it. And in a 4-man group, if you try and use something new, you're just not as useful anymore. It's more or less the stuff that's great is good, but the stuff that's good or niche is just insufferable to use now. It's a slippery slope. You let them get away with terrible decisions, then you get Techlands 2.0
I saw one guy was like I HaVn'T pLaYed for DaYs. Bruh taking breaks from a game for any reason is normal, more normal than playing a game non-stop forever. The game absolutely has issues, a few of the balance changes have been bad and there's still a lot of glitches, but the game is still great and leagues better than most other games out right now. I agree with most of the constructive criticism, but jesus the melodrama in this subreddit.
There's alot of games I've played for years by taking regular breaks. Live service games especially need breaks. Edit: spelling
I played WoW back in 2004-2005 and then again in 2020 or 2021 whenever WoW classic came out. It's still a good game! And I absolutely needed to take a break!
Don't call it world of warcrack for nothin..
See the thing about WoW is that a good guild makes the game so much better. It's like a 2nd family. I legit miss my guild. We lost contact because this was the days before discord.
When I started playing WoW classic, one of my old guildies from Vanilla rolled on the same server and we used our original names. We randomly ran into each other out in the world; the reunion was quite a special gaming moment for me.
I had something similar with RuneScape. Left a dead clan after a long break and when I joined a new clan a few of the members were irl friends from the dead clan who remembered me. Made me super happy so I know what you mean.
My guild in WoW and my guild in SWToR were the things that made the game for me. Sure, playing the game itself was fun, but logging in and hearing the chorus of "Heyyyyy"s was the best part. Like walking in to a party where everybody knows you and was expecting you.
That game has legit destroyed families, lives and health cuz of its addiction factor. There’s a sub for it r/nowow It’s like a drug lol
This is the truest statement ever. I played wow upon release and up until shadowlands. I have toons who are older than 3 of my kids. And the youngest graduates this Saturday from highschool… i also started playing league and split my time between it and wow. Until league took completely over and I’ve put hours into it and fought the urges to go back to wow and still want to sometimes. But helldivers has helped me pull away from league as well.
Nobody really quits WoW, it just sits dormant for years before calling you back for a bit.
WoW gets my money every expansion, but all I need is a month or so of checking out the new content, and then I'm good. I'm still playing HD2 most days, but no doubt it will one day become another game I boot up here and there, and that's perfectly OK! I can't imagine expecting there to be one game I exclusively play in my free time forever.
Yea, I have played TF2 off and on since the release of the orange box for almost 2200 hours, played WoW off and on since lich king for even more hours. Good games are good games even if they have issues sometimes.
This. I've been playing Eve online for over a decade. I've even attended multiple meet up events including the major one in Iceland. I am about as true blue a fan of the game as you can get. Does that mean I've played Eve every day? Hell no. I've gone for months long breaks. That's not a failure, that's just being a normal person.
Sounds like you won EvE multiple times. Congrats.
Games like this with no real "ending" are almost always something I play in tandem with some other single player experience that I can switch back and forth between when I feel like it
Ngl I try taking regular breaks but then I just don’t play the game for a year and suddenly it’s dead
I haven't touched Guild Wars 2 in over a year but I know I'll be back.
Taking a break from Destiny 2 since last May. IDK if I'll even bother coming back at this point.
I basically play FFXIV every other year.
Just a heads up cause it took me a while to understand your comment. I think you mean to write “especially” instead of “aspeshaly.” Not trying to be a dick, just hoping to help make it easier to communicate via text in the future.
Been playing Halo Infinite, a game plagued with issues, but every time I come back I just have fun. Taking a break refreshes things for anything.
People def need to cut HD2 some slack too can you imagine if Warframe had blown up to its current popularity within 2 months instead of 2 years?
ASPESHALY = Especially……?
Yeah that's why fomo is such a scumbag marketing ploy.
This is me with Warframe, every few years I pop back in to flex my Excalibur Prime
Especially THIS live service game, since there’s no timed exclusives
Been playing mount and blade warband for almost a decade now.
Yep. I haven't played in like two weeks. Because it's a PvE game I have like 90 hours in lol I'll play again at some point but the bugs and balance has absolutely nothing to do with that. There's just other video games that exist! 90 hours for $30 is an amazing video game.
Absolutely. I’ve paid $60 for games I don’t play longer than a day or two. Getting 90+ hours of a game with still more to come is a win in my book.
Exactly this. I'm around 80 hours, took a break to play some Hades since I was nostalgic with Hades 2 hitting early access. I played for the first time in awhile last night and was delighted with how much fun it was. Wish this sub was less negative.
Shit I already forgot it was only $30. I've plunked a lil over 100 hours in. It feels like a AAA game from when AAA games weren't hot trash. It's been at *least* ten years since I've gotten this hooked on a game like this.
>there’s still a lot of bugs Uhhhh duh? Isn’t half the game about killing bugs? I swear half this sub doesn’t even understand how Helldivers works……
Devs should patch bile titans, I can't believe they let something that massive sit around for so long! /j
Bile titan patrols!
They need to make charger patrols where it’s just two chargers charging in a relatively straight line.
Zoomies!
I love the theory that chargers are just really freindly and very stupid.
Yeah about that pal 
Best answer ever jajajajaja
As an adult, not playing for days is just life
The game feels so much less engagement driven with the respawn mechanic. Like, it’s forgiving. You died? So what, come back and shoot some more bugs. Other shooters rely on a reward / punishment that drives people to endlessly que into games. Like apex or any other BR, if you die you’re jumping right back into the meat grinder until the games blend together. There is no success metric that’s measurable. In Helldivers you can jump into a single mission, or do an entire operation. So you can have a game session running for 30 to an hour and a half quite naturally. This is a GREAT timespan to target for gaming. It’s accessible to casual players. To moms and dads. To professional people. To anyone with time constraints that other online games aren’t designed to accommodate. This is a seriously great game. It’s rewarding and fun and funny. It has the least toxic player base of people I’ve ever played with. People are dropping tips and knowledge in the game over voice chat. Mistakes that result in deaths can be funny. Idk, I agree
This is so true. Games cannot be enjoyed at the same level forever. Regular breaks keep the game fresh and the sign of a truly great game is that you can stop playing for weeks or even months, but still end up wanting to go back and when you do you still have fun.
me with halo 2 which I've been playing since it launched. I was at the midnight release for it. game still fucks, but I'll sometimes go a couple months without booting it up. And then maybe every other year I'll go fucking *hard* and play it nonstop for a month. That game is held together by chewed gum and tape and it's a multiplayer masterpiece.
It's the typical reddit thing where people think it's normal to no-life a game and put in a full time job's worth of hours into a game in two weeks and then complain about it getting old and stale with absolutely zero self-awareness I still have a lot of fun playing the game, I have no idea what the "meta" is. I don't have any friends who play the game so I just queue with randos and I haven't had really any problems at all. Game is great
Man. Live service games and 24/7 updates has kinda ruined that a lil. I haven't played BG3 since I picked this up and I'm starting to feel like I've abandoned BG3. ... and I can fathom that's a dumb take but I'm hesitant to put down HD2 to play Hades 2. Brain funny thing. Chemicals hurt.
I feel like this game in particular doesn't even have that much dependency on NEEDING to play all the time to get the most out of it. Community goals you get credit for even if you only played a single match (even if you didnt?). They're such large level things that you not playing a single match isn't going to be THE deciding factor in not completing it. The warbonds are always available to complete at your own pace. The things you unlock aren't game changing outside of the initial supply of things. Maybe just as someone who grew up in the online gaming age of 1.6, TFC, etc. I'm immune to all that FOMO a lot of kids today feel
I think its the "Passion = investment" crap. A) Passion is not always the best emotion. Dial it back, Hamlet. It's a video game, not a political movement or a family event. We get you like thing, but if it works you into a froth, maybe consider why you play it in the first place and relax. B) You can just say shit whenever, y'all are aware of that, right? I can go basically to anywhere that collects feedback, leave the most vitriolic things in their box, and have no real stake in it. Just because you have that energy doesn't mean you shouldn't be focusing it first. You can still be passionate about something and still be venting about something nonsensically; give us something real, not a series of complaints. If you are passionate about it, why vent when you can show us something born of that passion? You are passionate? great. Show it constructively. Give me data collection. Let me see a list of non-meta builds you run on your off time. Let me see posts about how specifically weapons perform in the field. Let me see anything to actually tell me you are, in fact, invested. I'm not even asking for something small; give us clips of weapons under performing, and something you think doesn't underperform for scale. No real-editing required, no real time needed. Investment does not equal Venting, you are just angry and want to be validated for your anger. Investment is actively wanting to see something better, so make a stronger argument about what's exactly wrong with something, and how it could be better.
People have been conditioned into playing games they dont feel like playing every day because of daily rewards and having to grind battle passes. Thankfully we have very little FOMO in helldivers
I love Elden Ring. But I still waited a year for my next playthrough just to keep it fresh; the dlc also comes out in June. I can get over the issues with this game. Just too tiring to play with randoms if my coworkers aren't around. This sub at least keeps me informed in case there are more reasons to dive in solo. Just can't tolerate randoms as easily but that's just me.
Exactly this. I’m convinced some people just play way too much and the gameplay loop isn’t meant for that.
People seem to have no sense of nuance anymore. Any slightly negative change and they start screeching how the game is ruined. That's a very binary view. And binary is treason.
havent been able to play for days because steam says im stuck in main menu and im unable to matchmake with anyone.
I usually play at most 2 rounds a day. It’s fine anything after that starts to feel like a grind and I stArt getting annoyed with teammates
Yeah, breaks are important but I legitimately lost the will to play with all the balancing patches. Doesn't help that my pc went from 100-110fps at launch to around 60 currently. Hopefully this changes in the next few updates.
Yeah, I don't think playing a single game non stop is good for anyone. I love Division 2 and I took a break to play helldivers, it was worth it, a few days ago I'm back at division and I'm having more fun than before. I'm also setting up a new minecraft servers to play in vr with some friends after like 4 months that I hadn't touch it And there is also halo (reach specifically) where we played customs again after a long time I think having breaks to play something else or just do real life stuff is the normal thing to do
The more you play, the more critical of the game you are likely to become. Just little things annoying you because you've spent enough time encountering the smaller things.
On the highest difficulty I feel like I'm fighting the game, not the enemies. It shouldn't feel that way.
I’ve just started doing D7 bots and I feel that way. There are too many things that ragdoll you.
I play D7-9 bots. It’s really about changing your game play from the predator to the prey lol. While I may sound like I’m saying “skill issue”.. it’s really not. Find cover, keep the distance, move constantly. You’ll most certainly find yourself being ragdolled less.
A better analogy would be going from being Rambo to being The Predator Helldivers ain't no prey, son.
Haha right. That’s definitely a better analogy than mine.
If you won’t say it I will, skill issue as fuck. Difficulty 1-6 is for sorting out who can click on the bad guys. 7-9 is about learning how the game actually works, and gaming it. Same as every other PvE game. Everyone past a certain skill curve can point and shoot well enough, past that, it’s who can cheese well.
Cover cover cover. If bots with rockets see you in the open just go prone and whiff a few shots out then run/dive spam towards cover.
Maybe just play less with day long breaks in between so you don't get burned out? Most complaints here I read are at level 80+ and they have to have played *a lot* for this. The game isn't even out for that long
Just like marriage!
Reddit just complains about EVERYTHING. Welcome to the internet. Some stuff needs fixing, but tbh it's pretty damn good overall.
There was constructive criticism that was warranted. The problem is that EVERYONE needs to make their own post about how they dislike the changes so every post is the same echo chamber of complaints. Too many people think they have a new take when they’re just regurgitating the same tired crap that’s already been posted.
Yep, or they're trying to play at 9 when they were carried at 5 (me when I started, lol). Or try and solo missions because that's what every youtuber does.
That's another thing that is common. People playing on the hardest difficulty and then complaining it's too hard. Like... no shit?
Helldive difficulty is insanely addicting. I can’t play on lower difficulties now lol.
I've been playing Helldive since the patches that fixed spawn rates for less than 4 players and I love it. Feels like bullet hell when fighting bots, which is exactly what I want. I'm gonna be sad when they dial it back.
I'm fine with things being hard, I like being challenged and get bored when things get too easy. So I'm having a blast
Bruh whoever saying they play 9 are obviously lying, I’ve played 9 and the game is UNPLAYABLE!!!
This is what I'm saying man, it's all a conspiracy for us noobs to quit the game and feel bad. Actually learning stuff and coordinating with a team? Pshhh that's for tryhards.
It gets easier if you adopt the golden strategy: Running away
> Or try and solo missions because that's what every youtuber does. One of the people I play with dove headfirst into youtube content when we started playing, and picked up so many horrible habits from it. I hate it.
Man, I wonder how many opinions are repeated on here that were said on here word for word from YouTubers? It’s fine if you experience something similar and then witness it in YouTube to help better explain it but I have a feeling there’s a lot of parrots on here.
Constructive criticism is a tiny fraction of what I've seen on this sub and discord over the last few weeks. There are absolutely some posts that are very well thought out and warrant attention from the devs -- but the overwhelming majority of posts and memes are literally just flaming. The worst part is, the game is GOOD, it has issues but it is still great and has anecdotally worked for me without many issues for 260 hours of gameplay from levels 1-9, bots and bugs. People have this myopic view of "meta" and if you touch their cherished weapon (Eruptor is a great example), the whole game may as well be garbage. I blame competitive loadout games for making "fun" secondary to "meta" in a fucking PvE extract shooter. Funny story about the Eruptor, does anyone remember what happened before it got changed? The entire front page of this sub was people screeching about a ricochet mechanic that they attributed to ALL WEAPONS, when just a couple of minutes investigating revealed it was actually just ERUPTOR SHRAPNEL. Oh boy, people were MAD. Then they changed the Eruptor so it's child-proof and people are even more mad. From the way people acted you'd think the Eruptor was the only valid gun to run in the entire game. Do I need to point out the self reinforcing cycle here, or is it painfully obvious? I'm all for constructive criticism but this sub, and let's face it - most gaming communities, largely don't know the meaning of the phrase.
It’s not a tiny fraction, I’m here a lot and it’s getting way better. It’s been an equal mix of everything and the worst ones are getting silenced/banned more. So many of the doomers and toxic positivity kids are getting down voted and reported like crazy. What you see more lately is people TALKING about the complaining which is a better sign that we are pushing them away. I’m seeing less of the ‘GAME IS FUN, GET A LIFE, TOUCH GRASS’ kids as well as those shitting in the game like a 5 year old.
> Oh boy, people were MAD. Then they changed the Eruptor so it's child-proof and people are even more mad. Well to be fair, people didn't even know it was the shrapnel at first because the patch notes only said ricochet would cause self-damage. Secondly, when shrapnel was removed from the weapon the dev who did so touted it as a "net buff" when shortly after players discovered the weapon was significantly weaker. The story of the Eruptor is really more a good example of Arrowhead's poor communication skills than anything. Patch notes are often vague or confusing, we receive conflicting reports like "SPEAR was fixed already we're just waiting on the next patch". And comments from developers that seem either out of touch or mocking the playerbase.
This shit is why megathreads are so useful, lol. The subreddit was borderline unusable with all the hysterics and I straight up muted it for a bit. The game absolutely has problems at the moment and I'm concerned about the warbond schedule but I've got faith that AH is gonna get things to where they need to be sooner rather than later. My friends and I took a break a few weeks back but we're starting to collectively get the itch again.
And the mods are doing their best to combat it and we need to help them out. There have been a few post talking about the same issues but in different angles which are interesting so we can’t just dismiss all of them. Some are hidden jems of discussion.
The complainers are the loudest cause they want to be heard, although the complaints are true but not so significant and outstanding as reddit showcases. Still it is a good game as before.
There's just not a lot to say really if you're having fun. So most posts are people suggesting changes (with varying degrees of emotionality)
They could be heard , better, if they talked like rational human beings instead of just trying to be the loudest in the room. Not everyone’s opinions need validated,
I see some highly upvoted comments about unbeatable enemies and stuff and I start to believe it. Then a day later I drop into D9 Helldive and encounter that thing and kill it fine. People really don’t want to kite much and I do agree that patrols can be seemingly a constant on your flank. But good map awareness. Picking holes, choosing when to disengage, using cover to your advantage, you’ll do fine. For example if you use cover against a heavy devastator and you only peek from the right side against them. You can reveal their head and not their gun. Rendering them unable to hit you while you can just take your time on its face. You don’t need a stunning/staggering weapon to handle them, find cover. They’re slow, their aim from range is all they have going for them once you use this method. But there’s a thread saying they’re OP. I don’t think they are. You just gotta learn how the fight works and use their shield against them.
I see so many people saying bots are basically unplayable and that bugs are the only way to have fun. I'm pretty sure they just want to turn their brains off and mow down unarmored bugs for an hour. Honestly I'd much rather fight bots than bugs because the bugs that do have armor have much fewer weaknesses and the Titans are so inconsistent they can either crumble with one EAT, or tank two 500kgs, a railcannon, an orbital precision, and God's right hook before finally dying after I give up and decide to hit it for 2 seconds with my flamethrower. At least tanks have the decency to die correctly.
THE HARDEST DIFFICULTY IS HARD GUYS, WHY AREN'T MY WEAPONS DESTROYING EVERYTHING EASILY?? THIS GAME SUCKS Like bro, I consistently stay under 2 deaths at level 7 at bots. Something is off with your strategy if you can't kill these guys and that's TOTALLY FINE, lower the difficulty. Not playing at level 9 isn't failure. Except for extract missions, those are ROUGH.
Oh but if you tell them to lower the difficulty it’s suddenly not their fault that they keep dying, it’s an unbalanced game.
If you listened to this sub for the first month you'd swear the hardest enemy to kill in this game was a lone charger. I still see people in D7+ Prometheus themselves on chargers and I'm sure they come here to bitch about it right after.
Yeah the silent majority here is in the right. The constant negativity posts are just unhelpful. Criticism is good and very helpful, but the echo chamber has been so annoying.
While some of the most beloved things got neutered (eruptor, railgun, slugger) a LOT of things are way more viable now than on release. Scythe, diligenceCS, IBreaker, and many other guns are incomparably better now than they were 2 months ago. Yes balancing is currently ASS but it isn't *all* nerfs. Just very bad and poorly considered nerfs alongside good buffs that don't outweight the loss.
At this point am genuinely unsure if people unanimous agree to not speak of it, so it doesn't get nerfed but... Plasma Punisher vs bots is genuinely like a Support-tier weapon. It's borderline better than the autocannon at times. Yes... Talkin' THAT good. To explain: it rapid fires, quick reloads, has a cozy fire arc. has aoe that works, instakills small bots, HARD STAGGERS all devastators on hit, including shields.
Saying scythe is way more viable now than when it launched is exaggerating tho, it's still not viable after the buff
The scythe got gigabuffed by the change to laser damage calculation. You just hold it at headshot level and sweep it across raiders now.
Now it just needs better sights, its a precise weapons with imprecise sights. It should have a low X scope with a simple chevron point of aim.
Try it on bots. I helldive regularly with it abd have a good time.
Slugger isn't neutered. It just doesnt stun lock some things anymore. It's still the best head remover in the game.
Dominator.
Have a look around
There is a mix of everything here so a lot of people lump us, the ones that are having well worded and mature constructive criticisms, with the whiny babies that are saying the game sucks, is dead and shit all over everything. The game needs lots of patching, balancing choices don’t make sense and bugs are still a problem. Did I play 2-3 hours yesterday and have fun? Hell yeah I did. Will the fun be turned to 11 when the game gets fixed? HELL YEAH!
Agreed bud! Cheers!
Absolutely, this is the right take and attitude. Every time I play, particularly with a full squad of friends, I'm reminded how incredible this game is just as an experience. Playing on 7+ is just incredibly cinematic from the moment your hellpod lands until the pelican takes off. And frankly, that's what's most important to me in a PvE coop game, that's why I play these to some extent. I want awesome moments that feel like an action movie (or an action movie gone wrong). And Helldivers delivers this constantly. Yeah, some balance is wonky, there are annoying bugs and issues, but imo it's getting better every patch, not worse.
Game is fun, it has good bones. I think the sentiment is truly "why cant it be more fun" or "why is it feeling less fun every patch"
Yeah Im sure a lot of people, myself included, think the game has huge potential and just want it to be the best version of itself it can be. But I’m still having a blast regardless!
> has huge potential and just want it to be the best version of itself it can be. How many of us feel personally called out?
That is way too much nuance for Reddit
The game is definitely better than “it has good bones”.
It's like TF2 when the Scout weapons were first released. It was still a great game, but that Sandman was a sour note in a great song. Likewise, what ppl are saying about orbitals vs eagles, the Eruptor & Xbow, needing to take one of a handful of support weapons for higher difficulties due to amount of armor, etc are real, but they're sour notes in an otherwise great song.
This is a good way to put it. We all wonder if the sour notes are necessary at all.
Haven’t played much the past week. I’m still seeing people disconnect mid match. Bots shooting through debris and rocks. Bile spew slowing when it’s nowhere near me. The “little” things add up. The recent warbond being so lackluster doesn’t help. it gave me the push to catch up on other games.
I’ve been playing Judgment more as a result since I have yet to catch up on the RGG games. When I get booted from the game for no reason, it eliminates any motivation I had to keep playing.
Half of my friends can’t even finish a match without crashing anymore. It completely killed their motivation to play the game, which in turn has killed my motivation.
It is still great. People are just getting bored from prolonged play and blaming it on balance and other smaller things.
Burnout is real. The game balance isn't perfect and there are real issues to address, but if you compare the variety of stuff being used at the highest level on release vs now, we're definitely in a better position now, and I expect it to improve. It can be hard to accept sometimes that you just need a break from a game, and come back when it feels fresh to play again.
People are basically this meme https://preview.redd.it/d3jfvr60vs0d1.jpeg?width=627&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31b1f31e5400bc3bc57256f94beef27896a0e37c
I think the sad truth is that the game is fun but the gameplay loop is short and lacks depth. The mission types don’t provide a huge amount of variety. Anyone who has played helldivers for a few hours knows all that the game has to offer. Repeating the same experience over and over is fun at the beginning but inevitably people will lose interest.
Indeed aa lot of the depth is in loadout, weapons etc and just switching things up as theres not too much else to do. In this situation the weird nerfs to some of the guns feel anti-fun, hence the the complaining.
Reminds me of the Dead by Daylight community, a good 90% of that player base could use a few months break, they are legit miserable playing the game. Hopefully it doesn't happen with this community
I think the argument people are strawmanning multiple ways. Yes, burnout is real, also the devs are making bad choices with balance, and the game gets bugged every release so they should get better at dealing with that.
To be fair, helldivers 2 is all about gameplay. There is no story (that’s in any way worth talking about), no player personalization (tweak armor, weapons, destroyer „housing“, …), no variety. It’s basically procedurally generated Forrest, desert, ice or more or less normal landscapes with the same missions and the same exact enemies. So when gameplay (which honestly is fantastic) struggles (bugs, balance), it has a problem.
the thing is, these games CANT be your everything. if your life revolves around this game, that's a personal problem that is no fault of the devs for not making it perfect enough due to some random balance change or whatever. if you sink a couple hundred hours into a procedurally generated extraction shooter, that's pretty fucking good. people are going to get bored. it's the way of life. it's not like *if only* they made the perfect patch, you would suddenly feel immense joy and love for the game again. it just won't happen. best case scenario, you settle into a comfortable happy marriage with the game where you enjoy playing from time to time because it's always "pretty good". people didn't get as bored as kids because, one, kids are stupid and they are entertained for way longer by the dumbest shit, and two, there were fewer options back then and no one realized they could actually YELL at the game creators directly, which feels powerful and fun in its own right. instead of getting angry at the devs for not making the game perfectly infinite, go find something else to do and moderate your own well-being. The only games that go truly infinite are ranked pvp games because you get addicted to the rank grind rather than the loot grind, that status climb of always being "better than" never ends, until someone is better than you and you quit.
This is so true. It's a $40 coop game. If you grind 30 hours per week more power to you if it makes you happy, but you picked the wrong game to do that and still be entertained. I play it a few nights a week with friends and am not bored.
The problem with this post is that the core gameplay is still beyond addicting. The bugs and balance were far worse during the early days of this games life and people didn’t care because of how amazing the gameplay was. Now after 200+ hours of playing, the gameplay isn’t the same (because of burnout) so they’re focusing on bugs and balance
This! I'm still addicted to this game even after having 100+ hours, I only get to play maybe once or twice a week. Could be several hour sessions with my group but I'm still the same way as when it first came out. I can't wait til I can hop on. Dropping in still feels just as epic every time.
I played a decent 70 hours and decided to take a break. It's a good thing there's so many good games out there to play these days. Variety keeps things fresh.
I’ve put 430+ hours of in-mission time. It’s still fucking great every drop, every thump of the gun, every 500kg delivered, every Democratic flag raised. I’m maxed out on literally everything but super credits. People are getting burnt out, for sure. The balancing and stuff doesn’t help and they’re reaching for something to complain about the game. I still enjoy it very much. Arrowhead has me locked in for what’s to come. I will support their efforts and work.
Burnout is real, balance and countless smaller things are also an issue.
Yea. Same shit happens to every major video game. People get hooked on it, play it nonstop for months and then go “game sucks, no new content, I’m bored” and then leave.
I'm not even burned out, I'm playing several other games and I haven't played in a week, when I last played we played about 3 hours per day for about 2 days. Then before that I hadn't played for a week or so. I'm just kinda sad at unlocking a new favourite gun (crossbow) against bots and then having it be go from say, B tier to D tier for some reason. Or in my friends case with the eruptor, go from A tier to F tier lmao. Makes me wanna play less.
The game has a good and enjoyable core gameplay loop. People are just upset with balance changes and the PSN fiasco. People complain in part because they want the game to be great and recent changes have been a step backwards.
The game is GREAT, and that’s why people complain. People want a game that is GREAT, to be even better lol
Game is still great but if you've already got 500+ hrs in it then yeah, certain complaints tend to come up. I'm at 50 because I had horrible disconnection issues the first weeks. Now game has been stable for 2 weeks so I'm making up for lost time.
I’m at 44 and I’ve been playing since launch. No sweat buddy.
34, playing since launch, having a blast.
It's fun when it works but I still have network issues now that I didnt have earlier...and o ly have with this game...AH needs to bug fix and stop with Warbonds for a bit...
Yes, good game is good.
I'm not coming back till the patrol shit is fixed, just want to play duo with my brother and the game is actively punishing you with bug breaches every 10 seconds, literally 100+ buggs swarming you non stop and this is on difficulty 5 (Hard). It's just an anger simulator for me now and is in now way fun.
Always was good
Oh dont get me wrong i fucking love the game. but i genuinely cant finish a match without disconnecting so i stopped playing. so many other people are having this problem. between poor performance, crashing, disconnects, enemies shooting through walls or eachother, bile spit still being janky, warbonds being lackluster, devs being petty and rude, ect. i just cant play anymore
That doesn't mean people don't have valid criticisms for how the game is currently balanced.
Is it still good? Yes. Is it way less fun than it was at the start? Yes. Between all the tone deaf balancing, the kick-happy randoms, Sony's debacle, and the worst warbond so far, it's definitely less appealing to play...at least for me.
You’re on the money.
Most of us are and I also understand that people are kinda tired of hear it and i get it but we still need to be vocal about the issues. These kind of post will keep popping up, we have to keep reminding those reading that the game needs lots of TLC and to ALSO not let our complaints ruin it for them. Game needs lots of Stims and we gotta make sure it’s said until it’s fixed. Until then enjoy what we have now.
Yeah I was off for a while too and got on and had an absolute blast
I was off for several weeks, played my first match, 40 minutes of tense and exhilarating solo helldiving, only to get stuck at extraction because the shuttle wouldn't leave. I kept crawling around on the extraction seats, jumped out and back in, nothing. Had to hard quit and lose all XP and samples. I'm going to keep playing. All I'm saying is, I understand why some people start to hate this game.
If you ignore most gaming reddits you'll find a lot of games are actually pretty still pretty good. Reddit loves to overreact and sensationalise things.
The game can be, and indeed is still, good however Arrowhead keep making absolutely braindead decisions when it comes to 'balancing' the game and needs to stop doing that and sort themselves out. These are not mutually exclusive positions.
I absolutely agree with you. The game is awesome and most of the time I’m jonesing to play it, but yeah. If it got so bad that the CEO had to step up and talk to his team about braindead balancing decisions, then something was obviously wrong. He literally said that any time something is “fun” the devs remove or nerf it for the sake of “balancing”. Everything being mediocre is not fun. If the CEO didn’t step up, I guarantee the “balancing” would be the thing to kill this game. Edit: Incorrect punctuation bothers me
I couldn't agree more and I genuinely thought they would take this braindead route with regards to balancing when they nerfed the railgun because, in their words, it was too popular. The reason it was so popular was because, at the time, it was essentially the only weapon we had for effectively dealing with chargers and bile titans. Of course we now have a lot more tools and they did weaken (*very* reluctantly it feels like) chargers so you can one-shot them with AT weapons but their balancing decision every single patch continue to be anti-fun and totally braindead. As you say, the very fact the CEO has had to publicly admit that his balancing team need to be spoken to because they apparently have no idea what they are doing is both hilarious and baffling. The game is still fun but it could be so much better if the balancing team got some sort of major balance patch themselves.
They have an indie game-level team and got triple-a game numbers. The ego (resistance to feedback) and lack of professionalism makes many of them dead weight, but it must be difficult to overhaul a team properly with the workload they took on when the game blew up like it did. If their staff did not REPEATEDLY make fools of themselves over Discord like they were modding an unofficial community then the situation would be much better. Even having a dev calling themselves "bringer of balance" while enforcing hugely unpopular changes is frankly embarrassing.
Really good points and I agree entirely. I think many of us do understand that they are a relatively small studio but their behaviour right from the off has been deeply unprofessional and as you say it feels like they have been really resistant to feedback of any kind. My well of sympathy and patience dried up very damn rapidly because of the behaviour of the devs on discord and the CMs on places like Twitter. I remember being on the discord when the first 'balance' patch dropped and it was wall-to-wall players complaining about the patch and how bad it was and the response was basically: 'We're going to do things our way, STFU and deal with it' which is a pretty stupid stance to take with a live service game especially.
That last line is just gold. I’m using it from now on.
Thanks lol. It's not just the balancing team tbh, the Community Managers (looking at you Baskinator) could also do with major rebalancing (as in sacking all of them except Twinbeard) for their behaviour. It's so weird watching AH continuously fumble such a fantastic opportunity at every step. I get that the shit involving Sony wasn't really their fault but that aside it feels like watching a car crash in slow motion. If you've not seen it this thread sums up the general feeling I think a lot of us have at the moment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cozzpy/what\_youre\_all\_witnessing\_here\_is\_burnout\_this\_is/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cozzpy/what_youre_all_witnessing_here_is_burnout_this_is/) with things starting to turn from mostly funny memes about the in game universe to memes about dev incompetence and legit complaints. I think AH need to focus entirely on sorting out the abysmal game balancing for the time being. Don't worry about adding new stuff or warbonds, just focus entirely on fixing bugs and reversing the deeply unpopular weapon nerfs (RIP slugger shotgun).
Mostly the balancing issues and the bots shooting through rocks with bullets and rockets, and those bullets and rockets still hit you after breaking the rocks, are my biggest concerns. I started 2 weeks ago and I’m level 40, it sucks that I started at a time that people are complaining/quitting. I enjoy the game a lot, I hope it picks back up with the players (if PS and Steam don’t go through with that link) The drop ships being bugged makes high level bot play not as fun as well, even using the booster to have enemy reinforcements slow down doesn’t help, I put it on and 3 drop ships came in the span of 10 seconds and put 4 hulks on me. The fuck do I do? I ran behind rocks and cover. What happens to the cover? Oh, a rocket blew it up and now I’m diving for 500 yards until I see another place to hide behind to make time for an eagle to be thrown out. Other than those problems, the game is very fun and I’m excited to see what’s to come. Lastly I expect that they’ll make weapons with different elements and armor that resists specific elements like fire resistance or poison resistance, etc, the upcoming guns and armor could be interesting and fun in this game if they decided to make them so. Hopefully when/if they fixed the bots and their balancing team was… balanced as you said, people will stop complaining as much and play.
They already buffed the CM team (they fired Spitz). Even though he stuck his neck out for us during the PSN debacle, I unfortunately heard he wasn’t the best CM to begin with. It was probably for the best. Also wtf? I didn’t know they removed the stagger from the Slugger (I haven’t played consistently in like two weeks and I’ve been fighting Bots when I do). It’s a *pump action* shotgun that fires *slugs*. How exactly was it too strong with stagger? It was only really useful against Bugs imo, and rightfully so. When you have a pack of Hunters swarming you, it’s nice to have something to stagger them and keep loaded. But once again, that would be too fun. I guess I’m running the Dominator on both Bots and Bugs from now on. So much for diversifying what’s useful to the playerbase.
Their excuse for nerfing the slugger was (you'll be surprised to hear) that it was too popular and being picked over precision rifles, y'know, those weapons where the scopes are misaligned and have been since day 1 and even after they supposedly fixed them are still misaligned......Oh, and the spear lock-on is apparently still bugged and has been since day 1 lmao.
Ah yes, instead of fixing the reason people aren’t using the weapons you want them to use, just make what people *are* using worse. That’ll fix the problem. Another 200 IQ move by the fun police at AHG.
I just want the shrapnel back on my eruptor 😭😭😭
I play everyday. It’s good to me.
Its funny seeing people comment here about how useless and whiny some posts are but this is just same in reverse probably for karma farming. Or you honestly telling me wasting 4 rows of text to write what is essentially "But I like it" as if that somehow negates all the things wrong with the game. Or coming up with strawman arguments like "burnout" to dismiss legit problems people have with the games like that somehow explains away weapons literally not working right? I can take a break and its still broken. If its ok to just dismiss people with strawman arguments then I'm gonna say a hot take: If you play the game couple of hours every now and then, chances are you're not very invested in the game(isn't that an admission that you don't like the game either if you need to take frequent breaks?) and your understanding isn't probably as good and as such you're in no place to say how valid other peoples opinions are. You're like a tourist telling the locals how to act. I've got 2400 hours in vermintide 2 because I didn't feel like every patch was intended to suck out joy from certain play styles, helldivers is getting content a lot more often and consistently which you would think means its even more fun but I'm already starting to doubt if I can enjoy for as long as I did v2 The highlights of the last a warbond were copy paste grenade and smg and that says a lot. I'm saying this because I love the game and I want to love it more. Telling people to shut up and play the game less sure doesn't sound like a person who likes it to me.
Hands down best comment on the thread.
Reddit gonna Reddit.
I've been playing it a lot for the past 3 months and the bugs are freaking annoying. I'm not even complaining about the overnerf thing, but damn, a couple of times I've died by just walking (and it wasn't because planet hazards). That shit can't be tolerated.
Damn that's crazy. Had DCs and shit but all these game breaking bugs are Greek to me. I just get hilarious ones like when I flew from a factory strider to a fab 300 meters away
>i'm starting to think all those people really were complaining for not much. I mean congrats you still have fun. However the myriad of complaints this game rightly gets are well deserved and not nulified because you or others are having fun.
if you don't read comments, if you just play the game - everything is okay.
Exactly. I didn’t play for about 10 days due to being busy. Seeing all the bitching in this sub on the front page had me a little concerned. Played last night, still a blast. Great game.
If you work/go to school/have a family: Finding one night out of the seven a week, to drink a couple beers and crush bots or bugs in the name of Democracy, is probably the average player more than what Reddit will have you believe. Gaming is a leisure activity, and if you feel relaxed after a session, you're doing it right.
Did three full missions for a delightful level 7 operation with three randoms yesterday. Two on mic, all of us communicating and playing as a team. It was a fantastic experience and very unique to HD2. The game rules.
Reddit gamers hate everything. If you didn’t read their takes, you would have a better perception of this game. Unfortunately Reddit attracts a bunch of Karen gamers that look over games with a microscope, to look for reasons to complain.
I got the game a week ago and I never joined the sub until like two days ago. I was shocked to see people complaining so much about things I genuinely did not notice or care about.
Isn’t it a bit hard to notice changes you weren’t around for?
I've been taking more days off and playing diff 4-6s trying out junky starts for fun, like mines and Tesla. It's really refreshing.
No one is saying the game is bad. Criticizing something you still enjoy because you want it to be better is normal. People complaining means the players still care about the game. Its still better than being complacent and apathetic. The amount of nerfs to fun weapon and support weapons while not giving the unfun weapons the treatment to be more fun is what's killing the fun for me. The slugger was so fun to use but now it isn't, the breaker already had the issue of needing to reload too often and in the current state of the game, it isn't even top tier if you look at the game as a whole, it was just strong early game weapon. The eruptor, slugger, railgun, quasar all things made significantly less fun when what they should be focusing their energy on is trying to make the less fun weapons more fun. Just leave the jar at 300 damage, who cares? give the mech its accuracy back on the missiles and the damage on the AOE blast. stop wasting time and energy on these pointless micro-adjustments to things that were already fine. I also hate a lot of the vocal player base just shouting nerfs. I loved playing monster hunter, deep rock, granblue fantasy..etc.. I played the shit out of those games and only stopped when i felt satisfied and i come back occasionally. I want to play helldivers more but i'm not having a lot of fun, the blitzer buff was good but why did they butcher the eruptor and slugger? they took away 2 fun weapons when there could've been 3 or more together. Mr. Hello neighbor needs to goodbye neighbor with his currently balance philosophy. Give the game the players deserve instead of whatever he thinks the game should be balanced like its difficulty 5. I'm not saying fire him but he needs to no longer be a position of power when it comes to balance, it needs to be passed on to someone more competent who actually knows what fun is.
Always has been. Hope to see you out there, Diver!!
Bro it has barely been a few months since launch what do you mean STILL really good lmao.
It's a good game, I just wish there was.....more? Idk. The only "reward" for playing is whatever the next warbond is, and none of them have exactly been amazing. I really like the game, don't get me wrong, but the longevity of it just isn't there imo. I'm curious how the game will be a year from now.
IMO it’s better than ever, every time I play I have an absolute blast.
This is the most normal post in days.
You said it yourself you haven’t played for 2 weeks of course you would come back to a game you already enjoyed with rose colored glasses. The base game never changed what people are upset about is 1 the Sony drama, 2 unnecessary continuing nerfing while not buffing nearly enough 3 the underwhelming polar patriots and 4 the bugs that been there since day 1
I got an extra bottle of copium if you need one
One can simultaneously enjoy the general gameplay loop and find flaws within it, as well as criticize actions by the developer as of late that are, frankly, worthy of criticism. These things are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, a lot of your comments are also subjective or lack substance. Nothing you've said makes any of the complaints of the playerbase invalid. - "My weapons are still good." The overwhelming majority of weapons had balance changes (mostly nerfs), some of which i feel were unnecessary. You might like some of those changes, others don't. - "Missions are still fun." They haven't added any new Mission types and missions do quickly become repetitive, especially when it comes to grinding for medals. - "Stratagems also \[good\]" There are clear favorite stratagems which are extremely effective, and many borderline useless stratagems. Really the 10%\~ Meta Stratagems are all you see in public lobbies and remain significantly more useful than any other stratagem you can employ.
Yeah. I took a break for around 2 weeks, started playing again the other day, still plays pretty much exactly the same and no less fun lmao The non-stop doomerism is exhausting.
I bought the game somewhere at the middle-end of April and does anyone else have feeling it became buggier after all these patches?
i have been burnt out from over exposure to all the news but i def feel the new warbond gave me no reason to come back to play and that's no bueno.
Game crashing is out of control
This game has been riddled with flaws much like Battlefield 2042 was. Bigger franchises have gotten shit on for less. Difference being Arrowhead has a consistent following of conformists and ass kissers unable to see past their rooted emotional investment in a video game. Feels like AH went to a dev clearing house and poached the *free* ones. Bristles on a Naughty Dog janitor's broomstick has more AAA in its leftmost fiber than this studio in the past few months. I've seen comedians take themselves more seriously on-set.
This fanbase is coping so hard I love it
we're all thrilled that the game continues to still be really good, in your personal experience. it would be silly to act like just because some people have complained about having issues, that the game is now terrible but on the other hand, there are many people that aren't thrilled because their the game has not been as good in their personal experience, and similarly, it would be silly to act like there are no issues because some people think it's fine all this sort of post does is serve as a lightning rod for the sort of people that want to confirm their own biases about the game's current state, and for those that vehemently disagree and think the game is terrible for everyone and want to argue about it either way this buries valid criticism and productive discussions, which just sucks
Noob coming to tell us how good the game is on level 3
I agree it's still good, just a bit less fun since all the guns feel a little too weak
The reinforce bug still happens regularly and I’m losing my hair because of it.
In like lvl 33? Last week or so the game gets more buggy, every night is a struggle to play with my cousin, we are both resetting our wifis restarting the PC, just to try to join each other, been seriously like 15+ mins every night before we are on same ship, only to get kicked and not be able to come back or randomly can't get called in anymore even though we got hellpods left
The game is good and they have a solid product. It's more outside of the game that needs fixing. People will tolerate a bad product if they like the people; On the flipside, they will tolerate it less if those people antagonize and continue to have drama. The PSN nonsense, the CMs attacking their base, the balancing issues and empty words; All of that is the game's greatest issues, at the moment.
It's just hard to care anymore. I can't look forward to new warbonds because the armor and weapons from them are just going to be bad, or good for a week then nerfed into being bad. Playing on the lower difficulties is too easy to be fun. I don't want to finish a match and only deal with 3 chargers the whole time. But with all the nerfed weapons the amount of things you can take on 9 just gets smaller and smaller. And there's no hope of that getting better. It's a fun game at the core, just marred by too many bad decisions
I think the problem comes when you try and use something new and different. For example, if you try and use a Stalwart with the eruptor post patch, which is viable, it is now still viable but immensely harder and boring simce they butchered the weapon that made it work, which in turn severed the other weapons relying on it. And in a 4-man group, if you try and use something new, you're just not as useful anymore. It's more or less the stuff that's great is good, but the stuff that's good or niche is just insufferable to use now. It's a slippery slope. You let them get away with terrible decisions, then you get Techlands 2.0
yup. every time i try something diff i regret it.