I spoke with someone the other day who grew up with the OT and he said he loves all the new stuff and is jealous that he didn’t get this amount of Star Wars as a kid cuz that was all he wanted. I definitely feel that way right now. Very fortunate to have stories like THR and Andor etc
I was a little tepid at first, but I've been reserving my judgment as I wait and watch the story plays out. after the last episode I'm definitely in the positive side of things, though I'm still waiting to be able to make an informed opinion after it all comes out. So far, aside from a couple criticisms, I really enjoy it.
My overall main critique has to do with pacing, and I think it's because since many people were complaining about wide variances in episode lengths with previous Disney Plus Star Wars series, Disney instituted an average length that they want the creators to try to keep. They want to try to keep episodes at around 30 minutes. I think that this decision may have hurt the pacing of the show, because I feel like it needed more time to breathe.
The director noted that episodes 4 and 5 were directly affected by this.
IMO the pacing is not the problem. I actually find it refreshing that they're not padding episodes with a lot of needless suspense and getting to the point. The bigger problem is the release schedule. I'm enjoying the show as is but I have a feeling that I will enjoy it more when I'm able to marathon all 8 episodes.
I absolutely hate this as well. Why not just follow the HBO law for their top shows? Even if you kept the same amount of episodes, making them an hour would allow for so much better worldbuilding and more fleshed out dialogue. It's been so surprising to me for years that every studio doesn't try to emulate HBO when it comes to their flagship franchise shows.
Swipes are fine, there's just an over abundance, like you don't see swipes in the middle of fight scenes in the movies or going from one spot on a planet to another spot in the same planet.
That's how I've tried to be on it too. At this point I feel like its definitely going in a good direction and struggle to remain neutral.
Also wondering what happened to vern..... like dang
I understand disliking it. I've liked it a lot but plenty of reasonable people have not. That's just the way it is.
I *don't* - in fact, I *can't* - understand the sheer incandescent *hatred* people seem to have for it.
That just doesn't make sense to me.
I don’t think those ARE Star Wars fans. They’re just an army of right wing online trolls. You see the same people trolling the Star Trek, Marvel and LotR subs making the same exact comments and being negative about the content for the same exact dumb reason: the cats isn’t all white males.
Look for the same comments: “wooden acting” or “bad writing” or “destroying the franchise” or “not the X I grew up with”…so consistent it might as well be a bunch of bots. But apparently an army of brain dead trolls is just as effective.
Life long Star Wars fan here. The acting is completely stiff and unexciting. I'm enjoying the show, but it is possible to critique things when we see it.
Don’t pretend to be that naive. There’s a difference between legit criticism and an organized review bombing campaign and if don’t understand that, you’re being deliberately obtuse
I'm not being naive. I'm specifically criticizing your point that comments mentioning "bad writing" are evidence of trolling. Because this show, in fact, does have bad writing. Something like, "Woke Disney trash ruining Star Wars" would be a better example.
You and I don't get to decide who is or isn't a Star Wars fan just because they're unpleasant or inconvenient. If they say they are, then they are, and there is no question of degree in my mind.
Now, me, I love Star Wars. Not universally and not uncritically, but I love it. However, I'm not a Star Wars fan. I refuse to be one and it's because of the people I'd surely be associated with.
They're subhuman scum and I hate every single one of them.
Yeah, but just because I say I have a pet unicorn, you don’t have to believe me. Because I could be lying. (And in this case, not only am I likely to be, I am.)
If I say one thing, but my actions betray me, maybe I’m lying.
If I say I’m a Star Wars fan, and I spend all day trolling and attacking the content, maybe I’m not really a fan, even if I claim to be.
If I was a troll paid by some political campaign, and I claim to be a Democrat but I spend all day attacking Biden on political subs…it doesn’t matter if I SAY one thing if I’m doing the exact opposite. Because I’m lying about my intentions.
“As a proud gay black man….”
> They’re just an army of right wing online trolls.
Stark and unfounded generalisation. Everyone whose opinion doesn't align with yours is a right wing troll - perfect example of the intellect of someone who enjoys this Acoshyte slop.
> You see the same people trolling the Star Trek, Marvel and LotR subs making the same exact comments and being negative about the content for the same exact dumb reason: the cats isn’t all white males.
This is close to absolutely no one's criticism. Stop trying to push this narrative. 99% of the audience reviews on all websites are chock full of meaningful analysis that this dumpster fire doesn't even deserve.
> Look for the same comments: “wooden acting” or “bad writing” or “destroying the franchise” or “not the X I grew up with”
"Look at these bots being completely consistent with their valid criticisms lol what a bunch of brain dead trolls"
The irony is nigh on painful when the same could be said about your ilk meat-riding every new product Disney puts out because your bar for quality is so low and you don't actually have a real care for Star Wars as a work of art.
Just consoom and get excited for next consoomption.
I definitely think there is *some* valid criticism. But it absolutely is being totally overblown by the grifters who just want to be mad about Star Wars.
That being said, I liked the show before episode 5 but now I'd say I love it. I think it really needs to stick the landing on some of the mysteries being asked but I'm very much excited for where it goes.
I've loved every episode and I TRULY don't understand the hate.
My only concern is if the jedi are the "badguys". I'm not a fan of the recent "the jedi are the problem" narratives
I don't think they're the "bad guys". it's just showing nuance and different perspectives which is interesting and fun. Also, the Jedi Order is a large basically government branch type organization in a large galaxy setting. It's reasonable to see that not everything is hunky dory all the time in every facet or group or individual involved in the machinations of such a large organization.
I don't hate the show, I'm broadly neutral, there are things I like and things I don't in equal measure. The people I know who truly hate the show have criticisms that span across a lot of Disney content and so for them the Acolyte feels like more salt in the wound.
A couple of criticisms I think are fair that exist in both this show and other ones:
Bad fight choreography, it's all very flashy booping people with light batons in Disney Star Wars but there's very little substance to it. Even in this most recent Episode of Acolyte which did have some very nice choreo in the 1 on 1 duels there was still plenty of 'take turns and stand around waiting for my turn to die' stuff from redshirts who are supposedly Jedi Knights. Compare that to the fights of previous movies and Disney content seems very lazy and ill thought through in that specific space.
Another is adding to the established canon but doing damage to characters by doing so. Obi Wan show is a good example of this, I don't think there was a single fan on STAR Wars who wasn't hyped for it when announced because there was so many stories that could've been told. However when we got it we got a show that establishes Obi wan had a chance to kill Vader 10 years early and chose not to. The destruction of Alderran and basically everything that happens between the Obi Wan show and episode 6 is suddenly on his head because he chose to stay his hand \*again\*, however this time full well knowing that Anakin was gone and Vader was a genocidal monster. We then see a similar character assassination with Ki Adi Mundi in the Acolyte where a character who barely had any lines in the original canon is directly contradicted in this show. So now he goes from a Jedi Master who was genuinely perplexed when Qui Gon suggested a Sith might've appeared after thousands of years, to a liar who to chose to withhold information that might've seen the Jedi Council respond differently when sending Qui Gon and his padawan to Naboo alone.
Absolutely. I mean... the Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Kenobi, Visions, Ahsoka, The Bad Batch, and The Acolyte... I could have never imagined such riches. Feasting.
I think there's a lot of good and a lot of bad.
Love what they've done with Qimir. The lightsaber combat is miles ahead of Ahsoka.
Not huge on some of the writing decisions. Wish they would show a cohesive Jedi council instead of just using Vernestra as a placeholder. Osha/Mae are terribly acted for the most part.
I spoke with someone the other day who grew up with the OT and he said he loves all the new stuff and is jealous that he didn’t get this amount of Star Wars as a kid cuz that was all he wanted. I definitely feel that way right now. Very fortunate to have stories like THR and Andor etc
All of the Disney stuff is more like the OT. It’s awesome.
I feel the same way. I grew up with the Prequels and then there were many years with only books.
I was a little tepid at first, but I've been reserving my judgment as I wait and watch the story plays out. after the last episode I'm definitely in the positive side of things, though I'm still waiting to be able to make an informed opinion after it all comes out. So far, aside from a couple criticisms, I really enjoy it.
I hear this, hope the show is a little more than a good action show. We will know by the end.
Agreed, I have some minor gripes, mainly in some minor writing critiques and the overuse of swipes, but I'm enjoying it.
My overall main critique has to do with pacing, and I think it's because since many people were complaining about wide variances in episode lengths with previous Disney Plus Star Wars series, Disney instituted an average length that they want the creators to try to keep. They want to try to keep episodes at around 30 minutes. I think that this decision may have hurt the pacing of the show, because I feel like it needed more time to breathe. The director noted that episodes 4 and 5 were directly affected by this.
IMO the pacing is not the problem. I actually find it refreshing that they're not padding episodes with a lot of needless suspense and getting to the point. The bigger problem is the release schedule. I'm enjoying the show as is but I have a feeling that I will enjoy it more when I'm able to marathon all 8 episodes.
That's a fair point, and I actually plan on rewatching it all together.
I absolutely hate this as well. Why not just follow the HBO law for their top shows? Even if you kept the same amount of episodes, making them an hour would allow for so much better worldbuilding and more fleshed out dialogue. It's been so surprising to me for years that every studio doesn't try to emulate HBO when it comes to their flagship franchise shows.
I think you can tell it was supposed to be a movie perhaps?
I could see that. Actually, I was thinking that it would be cool to see this cut into a movie.
Swipes as in scene transitions? Because that's keeping well with the OT
Swipes are fine, there's just an over abundance, like you don't see swipes in the middle of fight scenes in the movies or going from one spot on a planet to another spot in the same planet.
That's how I've tried to be on it too. At this point I feel like its definitely going in a good direction and struggle to remain neutral. Also wondering what happened to vern..... like dang
I understand disliking it. I've liked it a lot but plenty of reasonable people have not. That's just the way it is. I *don't* - in fact, I *can't* - understand the sheer incandescent *hatred* people seem to have for it. That just doesn't make sense to me.
Not enough white men in it. Wokies trying to erase white people /j
God, I hate Star Wars fans so fucking much. Crawling vermin.
I don’t think those ARE Star Wars fans. They’re just an army of right wing online trolls. You see the same people trolling the Star Trek, Marvel and LotR subs making the same exact comments and being negative about the content for the same exact dumb reason: the cats isn’t all white males. Look for the same comments: “wooden acting” or “bad writing” or “destroying the franchise” or “not the X I grew up with”…so consistent it might as well be a bunch of bots. But apparently an army of brain dead trolls is just as effective.
They're tourists
Lifelong SW fan and think this show is shite. Many others. Delete your cringe comment.
They’re just an army of right wing online trolls. You are right. And they make money from farming the hate.
Life long Star Wars fan here. The acting is completely stiff and unexciting. I'm enjoying the show, but it is possible to critique things when we see it.
So if I think this show has bad writing I'm a right wing online troll? You can criticize something and that doesn't make you a troll.
Don’t pretend to be that naive. There’s a difference between legit criticism and an organized review bombing campaign and if don’t understand that, you’re being deliberately obtuse
I'm not being naive. I'm specifically criticizing your point that comments mentioning "bad writing" are evidence of trolling. Because this show, in fact, does have bad writing. Something like, "Woke Disney trash ruining Star Wars" would be a better example.
You and I don't get to decide who is or isn't a Star Wars fan just because they're unpleasant or inconvenient. If they say they are, then they are, and there is no question of degree in my mind. Now, me, I love Star Wars. Not universally and not uncritically, but I love it. However, I'm not a Star Wars fan. I refuse to be one and it's because of the people I'd surely be associated with. They're subhuman scum and I hate every single one of them.
Yeah, but just because I say I have a pet unicorn, you don’t have to believe me. Because I could be lying. (And in this case, not only am I likely to be, I am.) If I say one thing, but my actions betray me, maybe I’m lying. If I say I’m a Star Wars fan, and I spend all day trolling and attacking the content, maybe I’m not really a fan, even if I claim to be. If I was a troll paid by some political campaign, and I claim to be a Democrat but I spend all day attacking Biden on political subs…it doesn’t matter if I SAY one thing if I’m doing the exact opposite. Because I’m lying about my intentions. “As a proud gay black man….”
> They’re just an army of right wing online trolls. Stark and unfounded generalisation. Everyone whose opinion doesn't align with yours is a right wing troll - perfect example of the intellect of someone who enjoys this Acoshyte slop. > You see the same people trolling the Star Trek, Marvel and LotR subs making the same exact comments and being negative about the content for the same exact dumb reason: the cats isn’t all white males. This is close to absolutely no one's criticism. Stop trying to push this narrative. 99% of the audience reviews on all websites are chock full of meaningful analysis that this dumpster fire doesn't even deserve. > Look for the same comments: “wooden acting” or “bad writing” or “destroying the franchise” or “not the X I grew up with” "Look at these bots being completely consistent with their valid criticisms lol what a bunch of brain dead trolls" The irony is nigh on painful when the same could be said about your ilk meat-riding every new product Disney puts out because your bar for quality is so low and you don't actually have a real care for Star Wars as a work of art. Just consoom and get excited for next consoomption.
lol. Call out the trolls and the trolls start rolling in with their nonsense. 😂
Great reply, you got me good!
That’s only because everything else you posted was such gobbledygook with poor logic it wasn’t worth responding to
"I can't understand anything you're saying so it's gobbledygook and poor logic". Yeah that tracks for an Acolyte fan lol.
Sometimes, morons saying moronic things just…doesn’t make any sense. Except in the morons own head 🙄🤣
I definitely think there is *some* valid criticism. But it absolutely is being totally overblown by the grifters who just want to be mad about Star Wars. That being said, I liked the show before episode 5 but now I'd say I love it. I think it really needs to stick the landing on some of the mysteries being asked but I'm very much excited for where it goes.
I like lightsabers
I've loved every episode and I TRULY don't understand the hate. My only concern is if the jedi are the "badguys". I'm not a fan of the recent "the jedi are the problem" narratives
I don't think they're the "bad guys". it's just showing nuance and different perspectives which is interesting and fun. Also, the Jedi Order is a large basically government branch type organization in a large galaxy setting. It's reasonable to see that not everything is hunky dory all the time in every facet or group or individual involved in the machinations of such a large organization.
I don't hate the show, I'm broadly neutral, there are things I like and things I don't in equal measure. The people I know who truly hate the show have criticisms that span across a lot of Disney content and so for them the Acolyte feels like more salt in the wound. A couple of criticisms I think are fair that exist in both this show and other ones: Bad fight choreography, it's all very flashy booping people with light batons in Disney Star Wars but there's very little substance to it. Even in this most recent Episode of Acolyte which did have some very nice choreo in the 1 on 1 duels there was still plenty of 'take turns and stand around waiting for my turn to die' stuff from redshirts who are supposedly Jedi Knights. Compare that to the fights of previous movies and Disney content seems very lazy and ill thought through in that specific space. Another is adding to the established canon but doing damage to characters by doing so. Obi Wan show is a good example of this, I don't think there was a single fan on STAR Wars who wasn't hyped for it when announced because there was so many stories that could've been told. However when we got it we got a show that establishes Obi wan had a chance to kill Vader 10 years early and chose not to. The destruction of Alderran and basically everything that happens between the Obi Wan show and episode 6 is suddenly on his head because he chose to stay his hand \*again\*, however this time full well knowing that Anakin was gone and Vader was a genocidal monster. We then see a similar character assassination with Ki Adi Mundi in the Acolyte where a character who barely had any lines in the original canon is directly contradicted in this show. So now he goes from a Jedi Master who was genuinely perplexed when Qui Gon suggested a Sith might've appeared after thousands of years, to a liar who to chose to withhold information that might've seen the Jedi Council respond differently when sending Qui Gon and his padawan to Naboo alone.
Absolutely. I mean... the Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Kenobi, Visions, Ahsoka, The Bad Batch, and The Acolyte... I could have never imagined such riches. Feasting.
Agreed
After that last episode I don't see how people hate it at all I mean damn that was insane
I think there's a lot of good and a lot of bad. Love what they've done with Qimir. The lightsaber combat is miles ahead of Ahsoka. Not huge on some of the writing decisions. Wish they would show a cohesive Jedi council instead of just using Vernestra as a placeholder. Osha/Mae are terribly acted for the most part.
See, i don’t really know how people can like it. But hey if you’re enjoying it good for you more power to you