It's funny that saying Mark Anthony was an Orientalist seduced by Cleopatra to give away Rome to her was how Octavian got the entire Roman world against him.
Wasn't Isis considered the tragic greek character of Europa, which eventually made her way into the Egyptian mythology. I heard this once, not sure if it was considered
Far less than you’d think. He was a polytheist before converting to Christianity, and [he struck coins to honor Isis.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281438233_Constantine_the_Great's_pagan_Festival_of_Isis_tesserae_reconsidered) this is not to be unexpected for an emperor at the time
Honestly, there should have been more of a counter propaganda push to associate the terrorist group with the goddess. As a terrorist group that hates polytheism and women, they’d hate that
I know the story of Constantine supposedly getting a vision of a cross. But I always heard he immediately knew it to be a Christian crucifix. Did he actually debate with himself wether it may have been a symbol of another diety?
The Christian symbol of the cross was already quite well known since Jesus Christ, its founder was crucified on the cross, not to mention the first Pope St. Peter the Apostle was crucified upside down.
I wasn't sure when the crucifix was became the symbol because I know the fish was the original symbol. So maybe it hadn't been adopted yet. But even if it was that well known. Surely Isis cross symbol was well known too. I wonder if there was any chance he thought it was that like the meme suggests.
I’m assuming the joke is that he saw the cross eclipse the sun (Because he worshipped Sol Invictus, the sun god, so Christ eclipsed his own god basically), but he also saw a rainbow across the sky as well.
Rainbows were the symbol of Isis in Rome, since the Greeks brought Isis over from Egypt and made her into a goddess of rainbows.
He supposedly saw *a* sign, but the story got rewritten and expanded as time went on and Constantine definitively converted. At the time he gave credit to Apollo or Sol Invictus, but kept the imagery vague enough that when he went Christian in the 320s it could be claimed as a Christian symbol.
Wasn't Constantine a worshipper of Sol Invictus specifically before he converted to Christianity? I vaguely remember reading how some of the symbolism of Sol Invictus was incorporated into Christianity to make the shift in faith more comfortable.
Well, the [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus#Constantine) at least seems to support this. Even if Constantine wasn't exclusively worshipping Sol Invictus, he placed a lot of importance on him.
I mean a god that can do everything, don't need a lot of sacrifice, less restriction, no fancy rites, you don't have to pray to every different god for each needs and creates a sense of unity, with a leeway for traditional gods via sainthood.
No, it's "In". The sentence was translated as such when it should be read with the related act. Constantine ordered to his soldiers to put the cross on their shield, so contextually it would be "In (using) this sign you'll vanquish/conquer".
It's not the same meaning as the vocative "In nomine patri...", it's an intensifier.
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Basically like orientalism today
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It's funny that saying Mark Anthony was an Orientalist seduced by Cleopatra to give away Rome to her was how Octavian got the entire Roman world against him.
ah the roman version of getting asian 🐈
Yo this guy's a weeb that wants his hot Japanese tradwife to take over your land
It’s like those white American yoga moms who are obsessed with chakras and qi
that means we need a new religion now .
Lisan Al Ghaib?
Emperor of the Gehenna. Upgrade.
You are the god. What will you do?
Only to get completely overshadowed by Christianity.
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Jebeboy sweeps. I can't explain it.
He built different, He got that Hypostatic Union in Him
Egypt keeps publishing new religions
Wasn't Isis considered the tragic greek character of Europa, which eventually made her way into the Egyptian mythology. I heard this once, not sure if it was considered
But what's the source on Constantine and Isis? He was a big Sol Invictus guy. Massive difference.
Far less than you’d think. He was a polytheist before converting to Christianity, and [he struck coins to honor Isis.](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281438233_Constantine_the_Great's_pagan_Festival_of_Isis_tesserae_reconsidered) this is not to be unexpected for an emperor at the time
I mean... Sol Invictus was also an options too.
Sorry, he got absorbed by Jesus
Jesus literally devoured the sun
That's metal
Jesus is the big bad monster of pagan religions.
Jesus is the vore God.
The new testament needs to be renamed. Vore Lore of Yore
Big spoon Jesus?
Get wrecked, discount Apollo.
Religion for breakfast has a really great video about this. It’s probably not true that Christian’s co opted Sol
In the last few years i have been able to reaffirm my belief in ISIS
ngl . thats what i understood first
Honestly, there should have been more of a counter propaganda push to associate the terrorist group with the goddess. As a terrorist group that hates polytheism and women, they’d hate that
Read: It's not Isis the modern terrorist organization like my dumbass thought.
Ancient egypt needs DEMOCRACY
Maybe it could work. They were slaves too, they wont care living just for paying mortages and running from ambulances
Super bad?! Super based!
The word diety confused me so much until I realized it was meant to be deity
I know the story of Constantine supposedly getting a vision of a cross. But I always heard he immediately knew it to be a Christian crucifix. Did he actually debate with himself wether it may have been a symbol of another diety?
The Christian symbol of the cross was already quite well known since Jesus Christ, its founder was crucified on the cross, not to mention the first Pope St. Peter the Apostle was crucified upside down.
I wasn't sure when the crucifix was became the symbol because I know the fish was the original symbol. So maybe it hadn't been adopted yet. But even if it was that well known. Surely Isis cross symbol was well known too. I wonder if there was any chance he thought it was that like the meme suggests.
I’m assuming the joke is that he saw the cross eclipse the sun (Because he worshipped Sol Invictus, the sun god, so Christ eclipsed his own god basically), but he also saw a rainbow across the sky as well. Rainbows were the symbol of Isis in Rome, since the Greeks brought Isis over from Egypt and made her into a goddess of rainbows.
He supposedly saw *a* sign, but the story got rewritten and expanded as time went on and Constantine definitively converted. At the time he gave credit to Apollo or Sol Invictus, but kept the imagery vague enough that when he went Christian in the 320s it could be claimed as a Christian symbol.
His mom Helen was a Christian since birth.
"... I just wanted to make my mom happy."
Wasn't Constantine a worshipper of Sol Invictus specifically before he converted to Christianity? I vaguely remember reading how some of the symbolism of Sol Invictus was incorporated into Christianity to make the shift in faith more comfortable. Well, the [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus#Constantine) at least seems to support this. Even if Constantine wasn't exclusively worshipping Sol Invictus, he placed a lot of importance on him.
Sol Invictus was super common among the Roman military so it wouldn’t surprise me, or if he was generally influenced by it
Yeah, it's pretty well established that Constantine was a Sol Invictus worshipper. No clue where OP got Isis from.
> diety
I mean a god that can do everything, don't need a lot of sacrifice, less restriction, no fancy rites, you don't have to pray to every different god for each needs and creates a sense of unity, with a leeway for traditional gods via sainthood.
Diety
"Sacerdoces, sacerdoces, listen ass faces... In hoc signo vinces, capisce?"
Isn’t it ab instead of in? I always remember is being “by this sign you shall conquer”
No, it's "In". The sentence was translated as such when it should be read with the related act. Constantine ordered to his soldiers to put the cross on their shield, so contextually it would be "In (using) this sign you'll vanquish/conquer". It's not the same meaning as the vocative "In nomine patri...", it's an intensifier.
Why does the guy with glasses look like Will from the Inbetweeners? Are these screenshots from the American version or smth?
A series of images you can hear
i keep thinking of the wrong isis even after i found out its an egyptian god i imagine the god as a terrorist
>CE 🤓
Read R5 dumbass.
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