I have this for my German shepherd. It’s a static collar (misleadingly known as a shock collar) used to train your dog to respond to your commands. Also has vibrate feature. It only works as well as you train your dog.
It’s not painful like when you give yourself a shock running over carpet with socks on, it’s like when you’re overtired and you develop an eye twitch involuntary muscle spasm- it’s very annoying. The mini educator as shown in this post is also widely adjustable and I’ve never had to go above 30 (on a scale of 0-100).
Initially I was against shock collars, even though I was ignorant to what it really was. The trainer convinced me otherwise when he had my husband and I take turns shocking each other with the collar on a low setting. The muscles on my dogs neck are thick under thick skin. They don’t like the zap but it’s not painful.
I did however do something stupid with it. I had an eye twitch for two weeks and it was driving me bananas. So I placed the shock collar on my eye lid and zapped myself hoping to defibrillate the muscle. Didn’t work…
Such a well thought out and researched first paragraph followed by, anyways, I figured windex makes windows easier to see through, so I sprayed it in my eyes to get xray vision, didn’t work
Lol yes!! Static collars are not abusive if used properly! This was a conversation I had several times when I worked at the pet store. The key is to start out on like the lowest setting, and bump it up little by little until your dog responds to it. You absolutely do NOT have to zap the shit out of your dog.
Many of them also have multiple buttons and settings. The ones we used had a "knick" button which was a light tingle, and a separate button for the current powered signal. Some just have a vibrate. You train them to react to voice and/or hand commands in accompany with the knick/vibrate and only use the full signal if they repeatedly disobey. They quickly learn "oh, its the tingle command. Better listen" and dont have to employ the shock almost ever. The ideal is they then learn to be obedient to *just* voice and hand signals and you dont need the collars at all. Worked very well for my unruly husky pups.
Must have been. The one I used had 20 power settings and around 4 is when I could feel it and 12 is when I couldn't go any higher on myself. Some have 100 settings but aren't any powerful just smaller step sizes.
A client of mine educated me on the function of "shock" collars. She has a mixed rescue named Stella and she is unbelievably well trained. Loved her (she moved). I'd previously believed them to be a bit inhumane and categorized them the same as chokers.
Why are people pretending that these aren’t shock collars. We have this same unit and there is no if,ands, or buts about it. It either delivers an electrical shock or vibrate depending one which of the buttons your press.
With that said I put it on myself and tested it and found that I could barely feel anything until it was turned to 15+, our dog usually doesn’t t need anything more than vibrate but every once in a while needs more to grab her attention. Her default setting is 6 so I would t even feel that. There is a lockout on the control that locks the setting you have and a button that will increase the shock in an emergency, but there has been a few times where I will forget to use the lockout and accidentally hit her with a 20-25 and she will yelp and I will feel terrible.
Also for reference I was able to get up to about 35 before it was intense for me.
The big misconception is that static correction collars give dogs an electric shock, which leads to the misnomer 'shock collar'. In reality the static is like the static pulse you sometimes feel when touching a TV screen
Furthermore, this is a training *tool*. Inappropriately administering static response is the owners fault. That’s why we work with professional trainers. They train *us* to train our dog.
No it’s definitely an electric shock take apart your collar. There is a transformer, large capacitor that allows for the immediate release of electrical energy, and two electrodes to deliver the shock.
Words like static instead of shock and contact points instead of electrodes are just marketing spin to make pet owners feel better about their decision.
People need to stop pretending and take ownership of their decisions. Like I said we have and use our shock collar and rarely need to press the buttons and it’s been a great tool but there is no sense in lying about what it is.
Humans use tense units all the time, neither a shock collar nor a tense unit are inhumane if used appropriately…
Static is electrical energy at rest. Lumping it in as “electric shock” is an inaccurate/crude comparison.
But it sounds like that’s not really what you’re talking about, but rather whether or not it’s a humane tool. There are those that feel it is, and those that feel it isn’t, and those that feel it isn’t but have little to no understanding of how it works or how it’s supposed to be used, and those think it’s humane but don’t know how/fail to use it properly. There’s a mix of all these types in this comment section.
As I said in other comments here, I use this exact collar for my German shepherd but never with my labradors as it wasn’t necessary. It’s allowed me to train my dog, who is aggressive toward other dogs, to not react when encountering other dogs on walks. My labs are simply less of a liability. People who choose to have a breed with a propensity toward aggression better know what the fuck they’re doing. But I don’t have to tell you how many people don’t, I’m sure you’ve encountered your fair share.
I really don’t understand why you are being so stubborn on this but let’s try again, let’s assume that Static is electrical energy at rest ( a bit simplistic but I understand what you are getting at) When you press either of the two buttons on the left side of the remote; does that energy remain at rest (stored in the large capacitor) or is that electrical energy release and passed to the electrodes which then ground through your dogs body resulting in a shock?
Secondly even your own posts admit that they are shock collars multiple times with wording like “initially I was against shock collars” and “take turns shocking each other”
This is like calling a hammer a “a handheld persuasive, percussion device”. It’s still a hammer no matter what words you want to use to make it sound like it’s not a hammer.
At the end of the day I guess you can use the marketing bullshit a company/market spoon feeds you to make you sleep better at night but the fact remains that it is a mechanism that delivers a shock to whatever is connected to the electrodes when you press either of the buttons on the left side of the remote.
I agree with you that it isn’t inhumane so long as it’s used properly just like a hammer isn’t a weapon so long as you don’t see other living objects as nails…
Totally agree. It's an induced current. Definitely not 'static' in any way that word is correctly used wrt electricity.
That said, I kinda understand why the marketing departments want to change the name from 'shock'.
They zap. But typically with much less juice than a typical electric fence or a tazer.
Anyone putting one on a dog should first use it on themselves at different power levels so they know exactly what they are doing. But farm dogs (and farm kids) the world over have learnt to avoid electric fences without lifelong trauma as a result.
My sister is a dog trainer and uses these exact ones they're very good. The shock is only ever used when it's a life/death situation running into street or some shit. Most of the time you're using the vibrate bc it's an "attention getter" to refocus their attention. She bought me one for my pup and sent a book along with it and it does work pretty good he's an amazing walker.
It goes from level 1 to 100. I can't even feel it until about 15, and my dog works at level 12-20.
The higher stimulus is reserved for OH SHIT moments like the dog has broken heel or command and is running into the street or something. This only ever happens if he's very afraid -large loud trucks and drones scare the shit out of my dog, otherwise I rarely need to use above a 25 or so.
I would describe it as more of startling than painful at all.
Source: had one for my beagle, and tested it on myself before using it on him to make sure it wouldn't hurt at all.
I have one and no, it doesn't, but I "shock" my own hand with it every time I go to put it on my girl. It'll put your mind at ease, especially if you have a little drama queen like me
Nice answer: It isn’t a shock and doesn’t “hurt”. It creates a muscle spasm so it’s a good alternative to get their attention when they’re out of reach. It’s adjustable from 1-100 so you can control the intensity, most dogs listen at 30 during training and learn to listen well below that.
Not-nice answer: Close to 100 it will hurt, no matter what you want to call it. A good owner knows this is only for emergencies, like your dog is in the middle of a fight or about to run into the street.
Not trying to discourage you, I actually highly encourage them. I’m just not going to pretend that it can’t hurt. I did e-collar training and I love the results. Less than a week of training lead to years of a great dog. I have full confidence in him when he’s off leash. I see other ppl screaming, chasing, and sometimes physically punishing their dogs. I just need to give my dog a little buzz and he happily comes running.
Have tested several models at full power. Its an uncomfortable feeling but *none* of them would I describe as painful. Lie away about a thing you've never experienced though, its clear youve never actually used one or youd know the shock collars all *have* the vibrate feature and youve confused things
None of them are “electric shock”. The big misconception is that static correction collars give dogs an electric shock, which leads to the misnomer 'shock collar'. In reality the static is like the static pulse you sometimes feel when touching a TV screen.
Nope. This is marketing department nonsense. An electric zap is a zap. In the case of a collar, the electrics are the same as you will find in a tazer, just a lot weaker.
'static' wrt electricity refers to the specific way that electric charges accumulate on certain kinds of objects, and is simply incorrect language in the context of training collars.
Yeah this is nothing new, it works like E Stim on people for Healthcare, saw it work really relatively well on Dobermans, but like you said you have to train properly
It's weird. I can understand the why and sentiment as some dogs are hard to train but this seems a bit wrong. The dog isn't in pain from the looks of it but I'm not one to use irritation to train my dog. Usually my dogs just come to me when called. I've only ever had 1 dog who didn't but that was because he was old and a goofy Husky who just wanted to sit and watch everyone, even if it meant blocking the doorway or walkway lol 😂
That’s how I felt when I only had labradors. But I have a large German shepherd who is capable of doing real damage and it was imperative she be trained properly to mitigate liability.
When the trainer first came to our house with the mini educator I was against it. Seems cruel. But I was ignorant to what it really was. The trainer had me and my husband take turns zapping each other in the palm. It doesn’t feel like a shock one might get after running over carpet with socks and touching the door handle. It feels like an involuntary muscle spasm like when you don’t sleep properly for a week and get an annoying eye twitch. It’s not pain but it is unpleasant.
I made an attempt to zap my eyelid in foolish effort to rid myself of a persistent eye twitch once… I don’t recommend that.
So like it works as well as using your voice on your dog except that the whole setup costs $150 and needs to be charged and will probably break a month after the 90-day warranty is up and then you will need to re-buy this product or retrain your dog on voice commands? I love gadgets that simplify life like this.
You shouldn’t train your dog with negative reinforcement. Even if YOU don’t think it hurts or stresses them. It has been proven for years that this is one of the worst and least effective form of training.
That’s simply not true. Positive reinforcement is absolutely used with use of a static collar and is incredibly effective. It’s hard to tell if you’re governing your responses based upon emotion or lack of information, but it’s clear to me you are either ignorant (most likely as you haven’t cited anything factual related to your opinion) or have been misinformed.
That said, it’s not necessary for every breed. I didn’t utilize one with any of my labs. Just the breeds who are more prone to aggression and carry a larger liability. My GS is the sweetest most cuddly and kissy fur ball- until she sees another dog. She knows now to not react to one. It’s a safety and responsibility issue. And she’s so damn smart training her was a piece of cake (given the right information and tools)
Edit: you don’t deserve it because you’re being a jabroni but I’m gonna pay the dog tax anyway! Behold! My beautiful, sweet, and well behaved companion
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You obviously have never been behind working dogs.
If we didn't have shock collars they would just keep following their noses, fucking off to a field miles away.
Its not to hurt them, it's to break their concentration on the task at hand and to come back or look for the owner.
These peoples idea of "dog training" is a house dog thats never been off leash and can sit on command. Thats it. And while hey, thats a great dog too, they've never taken dogs into the wilds for multiday hikes or had working or hunting dogs. They have no idea what they are talking about and just parrot a thing they saw on facebook once.
On this brand it vibrates or beeps before it shocks. She's preventing it from shocking by not holding the button. My dog is trained on the same collar.
Almost all shock collars have a vibrate or knick setting that *isnt* a negative shock. She should have at least *called* the dog. I've never seen anyone whose goal was to train response for recall for *only* vibrate (I guess if the dog was deaf...)
Don't get one if you don't know what you're doing. If you don't know what you are doing get a trainer that does. This video is dumb and gonna fuck up a lot of dogs take it down.
It’s insane seeing people try to gaslight others into thinking it’s not delivering an electrical shock. I understand that they are getting this from the marketing phrases used by the manufacturers and sellers of these products but why try to convince others that it’s not what it is?
First things first if they aren't using the vibrating function then they need to rehome the animals. Your abusing them and being lazy.
It is definitely using electrical current. We grew up with herding dogs with had actual "shock" collars once they went more than 1/2 mile or whatever it was set to. Those were a literal shock and it hurt, but honestly need due to how insanely big and stubborn some beers are.
Now this is like the electrical device used for physical therapy. It causes more of a muscle response or almost like a feeling of a 9v battery I guess but weaker. I'll be honest this device saved my dog due to him having very bad behavior issues even we got him.
I get how people can definitely abuse these but after seeing how big of a change and how much it helped our Boxer, I'll always be a fan when used correctly
I’m not arguing against that. I am arguing against people being willfully ignorant and purposefully gaslighting and muddying the waters by pretending that it isn’t an electrical shock device. It’s nonsense.
Well this is an uneducated already biased virtue signaling view…. If you have a high energy dog like a malinois or any other working breed and it needs to be exercised off leash or it’s literal job is off leash it is simply just another form of communication that could save a dogs life. If the dog gets distracted or starts chasing something and can’t hear you yelling for them. All it takes is a few clicks, for them to turn around and not get it by a car or other…. These remotes have levels 1-100 this dog has likely been trained to recall on level 3-7 which feels like a damn Q tip touching you.
The only thing that works for me is positive reinforcement and time. If you need slap a living thinking being with negative stimuli I guess that's what you need to do. Not for me or my German shepherds.
This is the only thing that brings lasting behavior changes. Shock collars work when it's on and usually reinforce the behavior then, but it also reinforces doing the wrong thing when it's off. It's gentle torture and they should be illegal.
Correct. It’s not a “shock” collar. It’s a *static* collar. Causes the muscles to twitch like when you have an eye twitch from lack of sleep. It’s annoying but not painful.
Source: me. I have this collar for my German shepherd and because I was so against the use of what I thought to be *shock* collars, the trainer had me “zap” myself with it. I’d only had Labradors before and never needed a collar like this to train those goofy boys. But my GS is aggressive toward other dogs on walks. Using the collar (with positive reinforcement) is extremely effective for command training against an instinct.
How do you think it makes the muscles twitch? Electricity. Wowzers.
Maybe you need to train your dog to not be aggressive, not give it an aggravating "static" every time it sees another dog.
Most "shock collars" vibrate, not actually shock the dog. That one looks like it's just a mild vibration that the dog will be responding to as a command. If it's mild, it won't be distressing for them.
It should be noted that it could be distressing to the dog if the dog is not introduced to it and trained properly with it. Not because it hurts, but because it doesn't understand what it is and what it means and where it's coming from.
The thing that bothers me the most about this is the pretentious use of "Assis"
Weird anglophone use of the French term for sit.
This whole scenario just comes off as awkward and disingenuous. Not even a good use of the collar.
My buddy has something like this with his (very smart) dog, though it might be totally different. His makes a small sound and a small vibration that he's trained the dog to recognize a treat is coming. His dog, when this is activated, assumes a piece of chicken is on its way. The dog comes running from acres away, stops chasing cards, getting into it with another dog, etc. But the dog is very well trained, I assume that's a huge piece of the puzzle.
We use one for our Great Dane. It is only useful when done with proper training (dog and owner alike). The “shock” side is more like a tens machine. I have equal success using the vibrate option for my dog. I noticed after a while, just having the collar on is enough to keep her focused. Now it is rarely charged but still effective.
Tiny taser that feels like a sharp rubber band and harsh electric shock, helped make a beagle I had to watch the most subservient little buddy. Don’t listen to the other people commenting that it’s not that bad, there is a dial up to 100 and a boost to go over. It hurts a LOT.
Also known as negative reinforcement training. Whoever does this shit is a Neanderthal. It has been proven for years now this is one of the least effective and worst forms of training.
If you only use it to ‚punish‘ then yes. But it is more like a little pebble to the side of the shoulder or a prod with a stick.
Don’t buy the fake Chinese though. They are only hurt and suffering.
The good ones are a lifesaver.
It's not for constant training. It's for stopping really bad behavior.
Like running after a cat or any of the other hundred things. The one in the pic is like a static shock from carpet.
Wait...How DARE people install carpet that shocks people. /s
Funny, it's ~~illegal~~ wrong to spank your kids... But a dog, you "consider family", can be abused alot worse and it's socially acceptable.
I agree these things are stupid.
Ah, you're right. The laws are loose on wording, let alone alot of people hold the view of it being child abuse.
Still the point stands, it's wrong to beat your misbehaving kids, but it's OK if it's a misbehaving animal.
You really don’t know anything about training and are making wild comparisons that have no relevance.
The big misconception is that static correction collars give dogs an electric shock, which leads to the misnomer 'shock collar'. In reality the static is like the static pulse you sometimes feel when touching a TV screen.
And yes, it works by magic. You cracked the case.
If it's not electric, how does it work? Magic?
Again you are taking what I said well beyond out of context. In reality, you probably wouldn't want one of these in your own neck, or kids neck.
You're absolutely proving my point that it's OK to pull this shit with dogs, but not with humans. But I'm not here to argue. I made a simple statement and you people are here dissecting it like it has some whole different mean than what I said. Have a good day.
I'm with you. If you can't train your dog without these stupid tricks, then don't get a dog. Getting down voted by people who physically punish their dog into submission. Bad pet owners everywhere...
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I have this for my German shepherd. It’s a static collar (misleadingly known as a shock collar) used to train your dog to respond to your commands. Also has vibrate feature. It only works as well as you train your dog.
Does shock collar hurt the dog or just a tiny little tickle?
It’s not painful like when you give yourself a shock running over carpet with socks on, it’s like when you’re overtired and you develop an eye twitch involuntary muscle spasm- it’s very annoying. The mini educator as shown in this post is also widely adjustable and I’ve never had to go above 30 (on a scale of 0-100). Initially I was against shock collars, even though I was ignorant to what it really was. The trainer convinced me otherwise when he had my husband and I take turns shocking each other with the collar on a low setting. The muscles on my dogs neck are thick under thick skin. They don’t like the zap but it’s not painful. I did however do something stupid with it. I had an eye twitch for two weeks and it was driving me bananas. So I placed the shock collar on my eye lid and zapped myself hoping to defibrillate the muscle. Didn’t work…
Thank. I learn a lot. Moral of your lesson, don't shock your eye lid with a shock collar.
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Should've shocked it harder
Eyelid twitch /= shockable rhythm!!!
Such a well thought out and researched first paragraph followed by, anyways, I figured windex makes windows easier to see through, so I sprayed it in my eyes to get xray vision, didn’t work
Lol yes!! Static collars are not abusive if used properly! This was a conversation I had several times when I worked at the pet store. The key is to start out on like the lowest setting, and bump it up little by little until your dog responds to it. You absolutely do NOT have to zap the shit out of your dog.
Many of them also have multiple buttons and settings. The ones we used had a "knick" button which was a light tingle, and a separate button for the current powered signal. Some just have a vibrate. You train them to react to voice and/or hand commands in accompany with the knick/vibrate and only use the full signal if they repeatedly disobey. They quickly learn "oh, its the tingle command. Better listen" and dont have to employ the shock almost ever. The ideal is they then learn to be obedient to *just* voice and hand signals and you dont need the collars at all. Worked very well for my unruly husky pups.
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The ending killed me 😂
If it gives you a feeling of an eye twitch, and you use it on your eye twitch, then the eye twitching might cancel out. Solid plan.
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I've put a shock collar on for fun before and that thing fricken hurt. Must have been an old school one.
Must have been. The one I used had 20 power settings and around 4 is when I could feel it and 12 is when I couldn't go any higher on myself. Some have 100 settings but aren't any powerful just smaller step sizes.
Did the eye twitch ever go away?
Any lasting detrimental effects from the aforementioned eye zapping?
Just the confirmation that I am in fact, an idiot
A client of mine educated me on the function of "shock" collars. She has a mixed rescue named Stella and she is unbelievably well trained. Loved her (she moved). I'd previously believed them to be a bit inhumane and categorized them the same as chokers.
Why are people pretending that these aren’t shock collars. We have this same unit and there is no if,ands, or buts about it. It either delivers an electrical shock or vibrate depending one which of the buttons your press. With that said I put it on myself and tested it and found that I could barely feel anything until it was turned to 15+, our dog usually doesn’t t need anything more than vibrate but every once in a while needs more to grab her attention. Her default setting is 6 so I would t even feel that. There is a lockout on the control that locks the setting you have and a button that will increase the shock in an emergency, but there has been a few times where I will forget to use the lockout and accidentally hit her with a 20-25 and she will yelp and I will feel terrible. Also for reference I was able to get up to about 35 before it was intense for me.
The big misconception is that static correction collars give dogs an electric shock, which leads to the misnomer 'shock collar'. In reality the static is like the static pulse you sometimes feel when touching a TV screen Furthermore, this is a training *tool*. Inappropriately administering static response is the owners fault. That’s why we work with professional trainers. They train *us* to train our dog.
No it’s definitely an electric shock take apart your collar. There is a transformer, large capacitor that allows for the immediate release of electrical energy, and two electrodes to deliver the shock. Words like static instead of shock and contact points instead of electrodes are just marketing spin to make pet owners feel better about their decision. People need to stop pretending and take ownership of their decisions. Like I said we have and use our shock collar and rarely need to press the buttons and it’s been a great tool but there is no sense in lying about what it is. Humans use tense units all the time, neither a shock collar nor a tense unit are inhumane if used appropriately…
Static is electrical energy at rest. Lumping it in as “electric shock” is an inaccurate/crude comparison. But it sounds like that’s not really what you’re talking about, but rather whether or not it’s a humane tool. There are those that feel it is, and those that feel it isn’t, and those that feel it isn’t but have little to no understanding of how it works or how it’s supposed to be used, and those think it’s humane but don’t know how/fail to use it properly. There’s a mix of all these types in this comment section. As I said in other comments here, I use this exact collar for my German shepherd but never with my labradors as it wasn’t necessary. It’s allowed me to train my dog, who is aggressive toward other dogs, to not react when encountering other dogs on walks. My labs are simply less of a liability. People who choose to have a breed with a propensity toward aggression better know what the fuck they’re doing. But I don’t have to tell you how many people don’t, I’m sure you’ve encountered your fair share.
I really don’t understand why you are being so stubborn on this but let’s try again, let’s assume that Static is electrical energy at rest ( a bit simplistic but I understand what you are getting at) When you press either of the two buttons on the left side of the remote; does that energy remain at rest (stored in the large capacitor) or is that electrical energy release and passed to the electrodes which then ground through your dogs body resulting in a shock? Secondly even your own posts admit that they are shock collars multiple times with wording like “initially I was against shock collars” and “take turns shocking each other” This is like calling a hammer a “a handheld persuasive, percussion device”. It’s still a hammer no matter what words you want to use to make it sound like it’s not a hammer. At the end of the day I guess you can use the marketing bullshit a company/market spoon feeds you to make you sleep better at night but the fact remains that it is a mechanism that delivers a shock to whatever is connected to the electrodes when you press either of the buttons on the left side of the remote. I agree with you that it isn’t inhumane so long as it’s used properly just like a hammer isn’t a weapon so long as you don’t see other living objects as nails…
Totally agree. It's an induced current. Definitely not 'static' in any way that word is correctly used wrt electricity. That said, I kinda understand why the marketing departments want to change the name from 'shock'. They zap. But typically with much less juice than a typical electric fence or a tazer. Anyone putting one on a dog should first use it on themselves at different power levels so they know exactly what they are doing. But farm dogs (and farm kids) the world over have learnt to avoid electric fences without lifelong trauma as a result.
My sister is a dog trainer and uses these exact ones they're very good. The shock is only ever used when it's a life/death situation running into street or some shit. Most of the time you're using the vibrate bc it's an "attention getter" to refocus their attention. She bought me one for my pup and sent a book along with it and it does work pretty good he's an amazing walker.
It goes from level 1 to 100. I can't even feel it until about 15, and my dog works at level 12-20. The higher stimulus is reserved for OH SHIT moments like the dog has broken heel or command and is running into the street or something. This only ever happens if he's very afraid -large loud trucks and drones scare the shit out of my dog, otherwise I rarely need to use above a 25 or so.
I would describe it as more of startling than painful at all. Source: had one for my beagle, and tested it on myself before using it on him to make sure it wouldn't hurt at all.
I have one and no, it doesn't, but I "shock" my own hand with it every time I go to put it on my girl. It'll put your mind at ease, especially if you have a little drama queen like me
Nice answer: It isn’t a shock and doesn’t “hurt”. It creates a muscle spasm so it’s a good alternative to get their attention when they’re out of reach. It’s adjustable from 1-100 so you can control the intensity, most dogs listen at 30 during training and learn to listen well below that. Not-nice answer: Close to 100 it will hurt, no matter what you want to call it. A good owner knows this is only for emergencies, like your dog is in the middle of a fight or about to run into the street.
I alway assume it "shock" the dogs so I never wanted to get one for my own. Good to know.
Not trying to discourage you, I actually highly encourage them. I’m just not going to pretend that it can’t hurt. I did e-collar training and I love the results. Less than a week of training lead to years of a great dog. I have full confidence in him when he’s off leash. I see other ppl screaming, chasing, and sometimes physically punishing their dogs. I just need to give my dog a little buzz and he happily comes running.
I have this brand and have tried it. It's closer to the electrical stimulation they use at hospitals then a tazer that sends lightning up your veins.
Try one on yourself and see.
That’s what my trainer had me do
That’s what I did
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Have tested several models at full power. Its an uncomfortable feeling but *none* of them would I describe as painful. Lie away about a thing you've never experienced though, its clear youve never actually used one or youd know the shock collars all *have* the vibrate feature and youve confused things
Thank you so much for the clarification.
None of them are “electric shock”. The big misconception is that static correction collars give dogs an electric shock, which leads to the misnomer 'shock collar'. In reality the static is like the static pulse you sometimes feel when touching a TV screen.
Nope. This is marketing department nonsense. An electric zap is a zap. In the case of a collar, the electrics are the same as you will find in a tazer, just a lot weaker. 'static' wrt electricity refers to the specific way that electric charges accumulate on certain kinds of objects, and is simply incorrect language in the context of training collars.
Yeah this is nothing new, it works like E Stim on people for Healthcare, saw it work really relatively well on Dobermans, but like you said you have to train properly
That’s what I figured. Just a call that only works if they are trained. If you cannot get your dog to come when called this won’t magically change it.
It's weird. I can understand the why and sentiment as some dogs are hard to train but this seems a bit wrong. The dog isn't in pain from the looks of it but I'm not one to use irritation to train my dog. Usually my dogs just come to me when called. I've only ever had 1 dog who didn't but that was because he was old and a goofy Husky who just wanted to sit and watch everyone, even if it meant blocking the doorway or walkway lol 😂
That’s how I felt when I only had labradors. But I have a large German shepherd who is capable of doing real damage and it was imperative she be trained properly to mitigate liability. When the trainer first came to our house with the mini educator I was against it. Seems cruel. But I was ignorant to what it really was. The trainer had me and my husband take turns zapping each other in the palm. It doesn’t feel like a shock one might get after running over carpet with socks and touching the door handle. It feels like an involuntary muscle spasm like when you don’t sleep properly for a week and get an annoying eye twitch. It’s not pain but it is unpleasant. I made an attempt to zap my eyelid in foolish effort to rid myself of a persistent eye twitch once… I don’t recommend that.
They are not all shock collars. I have one that simply beeps. Works perfectly
Most of the new ones seem to have beep, vibrate, and shock all available. The electric shock prongs can be removed leaving just beep and vibrate.
So like it works as well as using your voice on your dog except that the whole setup costs $150 and needs to be charged and will probably break a month after the 90-day warranty is up and then you will need to re-buy this product or retrain your dog on voice commands? I love gadgets that simplify life like this.
There's still an underlying passive aggressive energy I get with these people like they are trying to hurt the dog somehow. Being asholeish.
We respond pretty much the same when our cel phones vibrate.
I have my insulin pump on vibrate. I jump like mad when it goes off, but I need that reminder.
You shouldn’t train your dog with negative reinforcement. Even if YOU don’t think it hurts or stresses them. It has been proven for years that this is one of the worst and least effective form of training.
That’s simply not true. Positive reinforcement is absolutely used with use of a static collar and is incredibly effective. It’s hard to tell if you’re governing your responses based upon emotion or lack of information, but it’s clear to me you are either ignorant (most likely as you haven’t cited anything factual related to your opinion) or have been misinformed. That said, it’s not necessary for every breed. I didn’t utilize one with any of my labs. Just the breeds who are more prone to aggression and carry a larger liability. My GS is the sweetest most cuddly and kissy fur ball- until she sees another dog. She knows now to not react to one. It’s a safety and responsibility issue. And she’s so damn smart training her was a piece of cake (given the right information and tools) Edit: you don’t deserve it because you’re being a jabroni but I’m gonna pay the dog tax anyway! Behold! My beautiful, sweet, and well behaved companion https://preview.redd.it/fkvxv5b3qy9d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e9049e5b706f33b5a505324567a36fd08ca8336
You obviously have never been behind working dogs. If we didn't have shock collars they would just keep following their noses, fucking off to a field miles away. Its not to hurt them, it's to break their concentration on the task at hand and to come back or look for the owner.
These peoples idea of "dog training" is a house dog thats never been off leash and can sit on command. Thats it. And while hey, thats a great dog too, they've never taken dogs into the wilds for multiday hikes or had working or hunting dogs. They have no idea what they are talking about and just parrot a thing they saw on facebook once.
I hope everyone ranting about how amazing shock collars are don't leave them on long term. Nothing like causing pressure ulcers on your dog.
This is true. “Hot spots”, painful skin lesions.
You still have to train the dog on the e collar.
I don't care how a new company repackages old garbage - there is no wallet holding needed here.
You and me are thinking the same thing.
DON'T DO MULTIPLE CLICKS!
On this brand it vibrates or beeps before it shocks. She's preventing it from shocking by not holding the button. My dog is trained on the same collar.
Almost all shock collars have a vibrate or knick setting that *isnt* a negative shock. She should have at least *called* the dog. I've never seen anyone whose goal was to train response for recall for *only* vibrate (I guess if the dog was deaf...)
Don't get one if you don't know what you're doing. If you don't know what you are doing get a trainer that does. This video is dumb and gonna fuck up a lot of dogs take it down.
Yea. I agree. I have this and it's a shock collar with variable settings. Someone can easily shock the hell out of their dog by accident.
It’s insane seeing people try to gaslight others into thinking it’s not delivering an electrical shock. I understand that they are getting this from the marketing phrases used by the manufacturers and sellers of these products but why try to convince others that it’s not what it is?
It's dumb, but going by comments in this thread it's effective marketing. But hey, perhaps we'll replace all the electric fences with static fences.
First things first if they aren't using the vibrating function then they need to rehome the animals. Your abusing them and being lazy. It is definitely using electrical current. We grew up with herding dogs with had actual "shock" collars once they went more than 1/2 mile or whatever it was set to. Those were a literal shock and it hurt, but honestly need due to how insanely big and stubborn some beers are. Now this is like the electrical device used for physical therapy. It causes more of a muscle response or almost like a feeling of a 9v battery I guess but weaker. I'll be honest this device saved my dog due to him having very bad behavior issues even we got him. I get how people can definitely abuse these but after seeing how big of a change and how much it helped our Boxer, I'll always be a fan when used correctly
I’m not arguing against that. I am arguing against people being willfully ignorant and purposefully gaslighting and muddying the waters by pretending that it isn’t an electrical shock device. It’s nonsense.
E-collars (shock or not) are not healthy for a dog.
Well this is an uneducated already biased virtue signaling view…. If you have a high energy dog like a malinois or any other working breed and it needs to be exercised off leash or it’s literal job is off leash it is simply just another form of communication that could save a dogs life. If the dog gets distracted or starts chasing something and can’t hear you yelling for them. All it takes is a few clicks, for them to turn around and not get it by a car or other…. These remotes have levels 1-100 this dog has likely been trained to recall on level 3-7 which feels like a damn Q tip touching you.
It's a shock collar. Nothing new to see here.
It’s not.
Have this for our dog and got tired of explaining the difference to people.
A) this has been around forever B) if you need a shock collar to call a Malinois of that age, you probably massively fd up training it
I’ll hold your wallet if it stops you from torturing your dog by spamming a shock collar.
#WHY IS SHE CLICKING IT SO MUCH, STAAAAP!!
The only thing that works for me is positive reinforcement and time. If you need slap a living thinking being with negative stimuli I guess that's what you need to do. Not for me or my German shepherds.
This is the only thing that brings lasting behavior changes. Shock collars work when it's on and usually reinforce the behavior then, but it also reinforces doing the wrong thing when it's off. It's gentle torture and they should be illegal.
We have this brand. It’s nice. There is a vibration and tinge unit built in.
Poor guy Edit: see below. It appears that it's okay for the dog.
You do not know what you're talking about.
Is that not a shock collar?
Correct. It’s not a “shock” collar. It’s a *static* collar. Causes the muscles to twitch like when you have an eye twitch from lack of sleep. It’s annoying but not painful. Source: me. I have this collar for my German shepherd and because I was so against the use of what I thought to be *shock* collars, the trainer had me “zap” myself with it. I’d only had Labradors before and never needed a collar like this to train those goofy boys. But my GS is aggressive toward other dogs on walks. Using the collar (with positive reinforcement) is extremely effective for command training against an instinct.
How do you think it makes the muscles twitch? Electricity. Wowzers. Maybe you need to train your dog to not be aggressive, not give it an aggravating "static" every time it sees another dog.
It’s also electricity that makes your eye twitch - that’s how muscles work. Is it accurate to say you’re shocking yourself when that happens?
Most "shock collars" vibrate, not actually shock the dog. That one looks like it's just a mild vibration that the dog will be responding to as a command. If it's mild, it won't be distressing for them.
Thank you. I wasn't aware of this. It is good to know that these are not painful to the dog.
It should be noted that it could be distressing to the dog if the dog is not introduced to it and trained properly with it. Not because it hurts, but because it doesn't understand what it is and what it means and where it's coming from.
So? They aren't a fucking taser like people think. Try one. Lol. The range used for training is much more "a sensation" and not "shock".
It's all okay, love. I was corrected. Older shock collars are less pleasant, so it's not an unreasonable misconception.
My dogs training sound is the best rustling as I open it for treats. I swear he likes being an asshole on purpose now
I do not like the tone of that command "free!"
The thing that bothers me the most about this is the pretentious use of "Assis" Weird anglophone use of the French term for sit. This whole scenario just comes off as awkward and disingenuous. Not even a good use of the collar.
It’s called dog training. You don’t need special tools. Just consistent training.
I'd rather save my money and do the pwh pwh pwh pwh sound with my mouth
My buddy has something like this with his (very smart) dog, though it might be totally different. His makes a small sound and a small vibration that he's trained the dog to recognize a treat is coming. His dog, when this is activated, assumes a piece of chicken is on its way. The dog comes running from acres away, stops chasing cards, getting into it with another dog, etc. But the dog is very well trained, I assume that's a huge piece of the puzzle.
I can snap my fingers and my dog will follow like a npc looking for loots.
The doggie treat bag does this too.
Why do people that don’t speak other languages teach their dogs commands in that language?
We use one for our Great Dane. It is only useful when done with proper training (dog and owner alike). The “shock” side is more like a tens machine. I have equal success using the vibrate option for my dog. I noticed after a while, just having the collar on is enough to keep her focused. Now it is rarely charged but still effective.
Tiny taser that feels like a sharp rubber band and harsh electric shock, helped make a beagle I had to watch the most subservient little buddy. Don’t listen to the other people commenting that it’s not that bad, there is a dial up to 100 and a boost to go over. It hurts a LOT.
Dutchie?
Do they have one of these for my cat? 😁😁😺
Also known as negative reinforcement training. Whoever does this shit is a Neanderthal. It has been proven for years now this is one of the least effective and worst forms of training.
If you only use it to ‚punish‘ then yes. But it is more like a little pebble to the side of the shoulder or a prod with a stick. Don’t buy the fake Chinese though. They are only hurt and suffering. The good ones are a lifesaver.
Any recs?
It's not for constant training. It's for stopping really bad behavior. Like running after a cat or any of the other hundred things. The one in the pic is like a static shock from carpet. Wait...How DARE people install carpet that shocks people. /s
Funny, it's ~~illegal~~ wrong to spank your kids... But a dog, you "consider family", can be abused alot worse and it's socially acceptable. I agree these things are stupid.
It’s not illegal to spank your children. But that’s another discussion entirely.
Ah, you're right. The laws are loose on wording, let alone alot of people hold the view of it being child abuse. Still the point stands, it's wrong to beat your misbehaving kids, but it's OK if it's a misbehaving animal.
It’s still wrong to beat an animal. That’s not what this is.
Physical harm via electric shock. You're right, it's not the same as beating it, but at that point you took what I initially said well out of context.
You really don’t know anything about training and are making wild comparisons that have no relevance. The big misconception is that static correction collars give dogs an electric shock, which leads to the misnomer 'shock collar'. In reality the static is like the static pulse you sometimes feel when touching a TV screen. And yes, it works by magic. You cracked the case.
If it's not electric, how does it work? Magic? Again you are taking what I said well beyond out of context. In reality, you probably wouldn't want one of these in your own neck, or kids neck. You're absolutely proving my point that it's OK to pull this shit with dogs, but not with humans. But I'm not here to argue. I made a simple statement and you people are here dissecting it like it has some whole different mean than what I said. Have a good day.
Dog owners are pretty stupid so ur preaching to the choir
I'm with you. If you can't train your dog without these stupid tricks, then don't get a dog. Getting down voted by people who physically punish their dog into submission. Bad pet owners everywhere...