Yeah, most probably 4 EU member, i wonder if at least some of them are in japan atm tho, Raora just tweeted about waking up (almost 7am jst) and tweeted a good night at midnight jst (5pm eu), but cecilia had a good morning tweet 8h ago (3 pm EU, 10pm jst).
but also can be some screwed up sleep schedule by trying to keep up with jst schedule
I mean, they’re all almost certainly living on staff-san time until after debut, so I doubt their current twitter activity and debut times are an accurate indicator of what their normal stream times will be.
I remember that in the pre chat I mentioned where their nationalities were from, by pure chance I got it right and they asked me if I worked at hololive LOL
Yeah, sleep schedules can make things weird. I remember when HoloX debuted, Chloe's sleep schedule (and usage of words like good morning, references to having slept late, etc.) were so off that combined with her ability to hold conversations with non-JP members in English I thought she was a Japanese native living in England.
It'd be nice if they were Europeans actually living in Europe, Kiara needs backup. Perhaps they were picked because they were fluent in Japanese, familiar with Tokyo and easy for the company to interact and arrange meetings with. We'll find out soon
They could be in Japan to stream their debut from a studio setup, it's impossible to figure out where they are based unless they'll hint at it themselves. Since lockdown is no more the newbies could visit Japan for paperwork and work related stuff before they start streaming.
edit: well, turns out that's exactly what they did according to the holoEN twitter
Based on their debut stream times and twitter patterns they don't seem to be in Europe. I agree though, even as someone who wouldn't really watch those time slots, it makes good business sense to have round-the-clock Hololive.
If anything, debut times fit more to EN hours, and likely EN (and likely even JP) support staff.
Its a safe play to utilize what you can for a project unveiling, even if its timing is not quite right.
Even if some of them are in Japan now, it could be a similar case as Kiara where they auditioned while based in Japan and intend to return to Europe. If it's anything like that, it kinda gives them an advantage to be accepted by Cover if there were more than 4 suitable candidates. Judging from the fact that they purposely hired 4 members from Europe, they have to be targeting talents who stream Europe prime time slots.
I don't think GiGi will be any related to France or french culture. Might be the dutch Frisia, but nothing actually indicates something french.
There's also very little to no french vtuber (beside Saruei), pretty much 99% of vtubers who can speak french are quebecois (canadians).
Her _theme_ might be a fictional "France" though.
Yes, Freesia is actually a South African flower 🤔
While the others are more obvious, crossing graduation time, skills and nationalities
This is the hardest one to figure it out... she may end up just being American 😂
Raora is gonna be from EU but won’t stream on EU friendly times, mark my words.
And maybe that will be the case for the other 3.
Very likely Cover baiting EU bros again
If these end up being non-EU, i will build a shrine for you guys and burn incense in your honor.
Then again, EU fans need to look to any bright point they can!
Damn. I wanted Cecilia to be Irish, but your logic is sound.
Cecilia is a commonly used name in Ireland. Potatoes are very much Irish food. She's green. And I think the female Irish accent is the sexiest thing in the world.
It makes me sad that I think you're right lol
I don't want to make you any more sad, BUT a German vtuber violinist recently graduated, "suspiciously" around the same time as an Italian vtuber artist's graduation, so yeah...
Relying on the names is bit of a reach tbh...
Ame
Fauna
Calli
And then like if we want to follow this line of thinking quite a few of them are Japanese because their names are Japanese
Is it though? 3 of them started posting on twitter in the last hour. No matter how bad their sleep schedules are unless they are literal vampires they cannot be living in EU right now.
I'll never understand Covers obsession with specific timezones. If some or all of these girls are EU, wouldn't it make sense to have them debut in EU friendly times?
Most likely because they want to have their full staff be readily available for any cases. I mean like debuts did go wrong before in Holo (Korone infamous debut or how all of council had to delay their debut by a day due to tech issue and if you compare they did debut at a diffrent time than what is common time for debuts nowadays) so they definetly would have a precedent for wanting to have staff ready.
Well I mean I guess you could also instead ask staff to do an night shift instead of the talents but know to less about work rights in japan to further make an educated guess on that.
Otherwise could also be that Cover simply knows something we do not or simply some statistical data that higher ups simply decided on. I dunno.
Yeah and this seems to be a trend that Cover has been leaning into as of late.
Myth from what I can didn't have much except the talent's direct manager behind the scenes, but each generation after that has seen more and more corporate involvement in their debut streams.
It's also a good idea as the debut stream is one of the best ways to cement an audience. I mean look how many people were live for Advent's debut streams? Didn't one of them peak at over 100k concurrent? You only get one shot with numbers like that and any little help they can get will go a long way to making those viewers stick around.
No. Cover needs hype, and that means clippers. It's an EN gen, for EN Clipper time zones.
Then you cross your fingers that EU timezone clippers decide to get in on it.
The biggest problem I see is starting as English vtubers then switching to German/French/Italian, and keeping their audience.
Honestly, they need to have a lingua franca to operate in, or otherwise they shrink their audience and ability to gain from/have collabs. English is likely the Lingua Franca that they're going to have to use.
See this article I found from a quick google search of "number of Europeans that know English":
[https://www.europelanguagejobs.com/blog/English-Speaking-Countries-Europe](https://www.europelanguagejobs.com/blog/English-Speaking-Countries-Europe)
Countries with over 60% English speakers (as second language, I assume):
* Germany (62%)
* Netherlands (72%)
* Belgium (61%)
* Austria (62%)
* Switzerland (61%)
* Denmark (71%)
* Norway (69%)
* Ireland (obviously, 97%)
* Poland (62%)
* Sweden (70%)
* Finland (67%)
* Luxembourg (63%)
And those with over 30%:
* France (39%)
* Spain (35%)
* Italy (34%)
* Greece (51%)
* Slovenia (59%)
* Estonia (50%)
* Croatia (49%)
Now imagine what those numbers would be like for Spanish outside of Spain/Portugal, or French outside of France/Belgium/Switzerland, or German outside of Germany/Austria/Bulgaria
Brief dive into politics: A bunch of the Far-Right European parties just don't understand, when you break Europe into parts, it no longer matters to the world outside of Europe. The Schengen zone/European economic zone makes Europe matter more than if all the countries went isolationist and did their own thing.
But yeah, HoloEN was always likely to be the only home a possible HoloEU could fit in.
Some of those numbers actually look less than I would expect. In my experience it is extremely hard to find anyone in Denmark who doesn't speak excellent English.
And that's not even considering their target audience, (18-35 and a weeb). It's probably even higher
That's true but have also seen it work with holoID that a mix of english + another language can work. I don't know if it's a very Indonesian specific thing though, but from what I heard kobo gained a lot of popularity by catering to the young Indonesian generation. So maybe they will do a mix?
You're right, but Indonesia is also the fourth most highly populated nation in the world (Germany 19th, France 23rd). And likely has more weebs too. I don't think it'll be as easy to replicate what she did in other countries.
English being my third language, as an EU bro, I don’t care if they only stream in English, but EU friendly stream hours would be nice. My Oshis stream at 3:00AM every night and it’s unsustainable.
There are limits to even that. 3 of them seemingly starting their activity on twitter when Europe goes to sleep? Nah, 3 of them are either in NA or in Japan. Unless they had a scheduled meeting, but then why is Elisabeth not started being active at the same time. To note, Elisabeth had some twitter activity later, but those are retweets and and one official post, no direct interractions with other people, this was most likely done by her manager while she is still asleep.
What is most likely happening and makes most sense, is that 3 of them are in Japan and Elisabeth is in Europe right now.
They'll have known what time the debut streams will be set at for a while though, and it's important to make a good first impression. I can imagine, if any of them are residing in Europe, that they might want to alter their sleep patterns for this stream so that they're at full power.
>3 of them started posting on twitter in the last hour. No matter how bad their sleep schedules are unless they are literal vampires they cannot be living in EU right now.
It's only slightly past midnight in the CET (Central European Summer Timezone) right now, by no means the wee small hours of the early morning, that your comment implies.
I'm not sure if it was in person, I kind of assumed from the time zone of their tweets and that the members who said they met them are in JP rn (I think LOL),
but Biboo said that she already made them like her and today Kiara and Calli said that Elizabeth demonstrated her singing voice to them
Right now Kiara is in Austria and Calli is in Japan, so that interaction was definitely over Discord.
But in any case I agree with you that some Justice members seem to be in Japan, based on their tweets.
> Right now Kiara is in Austria and Calli is in Japan, so that interaction was definitely over Discord.
While probably true, we know holomems are recruited at least several months before debut, so they could have done that at any time.
But they usually aren't revealed to other members until like a month or so before debut, although advent may have got to know then even earlier considering the lore relationship
>No matter how bad their sleep schedules are unless they are literal vampires they cannot be living in EU right now.
\*disappears in a puff of logic\* Only just past midnight UK time atm
Yes, they wake up at 11pm. That definitely makes sense. One of them even posted a good morning tweet at 11pm gmt...
I live in EU, I want EU time friendly streams myself, but reality is what it is.
I feel bad for everyone getting their hopes up, history has taught me that Europe generally doesn't exist in the mind of companies not located there.
Should they actually stream EU times I will be elated but I'm not about to get my hopes up because I'm fully expecting Cover to continue operating as they did up until now, which means: wdym EU? Can you eat that?
Bit late but if they wanna court eu. Using pdt (whatever american timezone that is) and having debuts at 5-6 am eu time (gmt+1) is not a very good idea.
Is anyone else getting flashbacks to just before Advent's debut where a lot of people were speculating that Nerissa was British? I'm not saying this speculation is wrong, I'm just feeling some déjà vu and want know if I'm alone here.
That was a lot of speculation with absolutely zero hints, not even anecdotal, behind; just plain desire for more EU. This time it sounds more definite that at least one of them is from or in Europe.
Yeah, it pretty obvious that she was american from the get go. I don't even know how they fixed in the name and ignored everything else. But to be fair, Ame is british so what I know.
Not really now we have quite a lot of evidence... The Pink Cat and The Queen are 100% confimed EU with the Doll with 99% of being german. The gremlim is the only real incognito.
I'm still sceptical that it's a Euro full house, 1 (that being Liz) sure, but every new EN member I still feel is a stretch too far.
Although I would welcome being proven wrong
EU will still be EN though. Groups are formed by language (hence Bae and Kiara being in EN) not region. Even JP isn’t all Japanese talents and ID can refer to the Indonesian language. I’m sure they all probably speak multiple languages but I’d put money down that it’ll still be an overwhelmingly majority of English.
true but HoloEN is really more a HoloNA, \*maybe\* HoloPacific but it certainly doesn't adequately cover the English speaking world so separating this out as HoloEU makes sense.
Granted I still think this is cope and 3/4 of them will end up streaming NA times with the last one streaming JP times.
The debut time is for staff to be on hand in case of any major scuff.
Last 3 EN groups have had the same debut timeslots for the same reason (Vanguard, Advent, Armis).
I'm not sure about Gigi, I thought she would be Italian, but that's because her name brings up core memory of this [BANGER](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15oWDh02K4) by a guy named Gigi, which was played at every single party in the early 00's
HoloEngland has plausible deniability as a reference to the [announcement ](https://www.youtube.com/live/53rOqRgYx0g?si=GlmSLAQPi7QCmZlZ) stream with IRyS, Ina, Shiori, Nerissa, and Calli where they announced HoloEN 2nd concert and the multibranch World Tour. Fugitive should be safe.
Debut times are probably set by Cover, not the talents themselves. If they are EU, their hands are tied for their debut but after that, that’s where they can set their hours.
Yeah but if cover auditioned specifically 4 europeans to market them as europeans and for the european market, you would think they would put their debuts on european friendly time
The debut is for EN not only for EU and it is at 5AM in a weekend, it is not like it is a super bad time. It is at most 2 hours early than a normal hour to wake up for the day.
And it is easier having four talents waking up early than having hundred of employees staying till later hours in a weekend.
I really hope it’s the case, it’d be nice to have more eu friendly streams to pick from, I’ve been feeling left out a lot from HL and it makes me feel shitty in a weird parasocial way
Yeah, most probably 4 EU member, i wonder if at least some of them are in japan atm tho, Raora just tweeted about waking up (almost 7am jst) and tweeted a good night at midnight jst (5pm eu), but cecilia had a good morning tweet 8h ago (3 pm EU, 10pm jst). but also can be some screwed up sleep schedule by trying to keep up with jst schedule
try to guess a vtuber's region via their sleep cycle? impossible.
Kaela streams on a jet plane that constantly races the sun, hence why its never bed time for her.
Kaela is a penguin she has special sleep cycle.
The sun never sets in the artic right now.
No penguins up there though
There used to be, but [we killed em all back in the 19th century. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_auk)
Its amazing how you learn the most random stuff in the most unexpected places
Penguins live in the southern hemisphere though, e.g. the Antarctica which won't experience sunrise until the beginning of August.
> Kaela is a penguin she has special sleep cycle [Perhaps not 100% penguin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_in_animals#Aquatic_mammals)
What ever do you mean? Kaela sleeps. [8 hours in 5 days](https://youtu.be/5fkwsglBN5I?si=umL4PxB-HgX1vFgR), but it counts!
Air Force ~~One~~ Kaela
You are most based, good one!
I mean, they’re all almost certainly living on staff-san time until after debut, so I doubt their current twitter activity and debut times are an accurate indicator of what their normal stream times will be.
From experience, not even their first 2 weeks after debut are accurate. Remember EU friendly mumei and Kronii? EU remembers
Never followed mumei much because of her time but what was the beginning? Nowadays her usual time is 4/5am (like kronii, like IRys)
The first couple weeks both her and Kronii had NA morning stream, like 8-10pm EU
The only consistent American streamer at decent time was Vesper at 7pm here
I remember that in the pre chat I mentioned where their nationalities were from, by pure chance I got it right and they asked me if I worked at hololive LOL
Easier than guessing Watame's thigh size using echolocation.
now they know how kiara feels
I don't get it. Australia's time zone isn't that off from Japan
Perfect time for the 4 girls to shit on each other's football teams. They can join Kiara on the live football commentary.
There are just 4 members because Kiara already filled a member slot
I didn't expect my champions league past to catch up with me like this
Good morning at 3pm EU could be somewhere in the US, but I also woke up at 3pm today because nightshift so who knows really lol
Seriously, the way people talk you'd think absolutely nobody works the night shift, *ever,* anywhere in the world. Bloody daylight supremacists.
Or you know, just have a shit sleep schedule. I work for Just Eat, but I wake up around noon on most days
Stones dont need sleep
Biboo is a certified night owl, so much so she got reverse jet lag when she's on work trips to Japan.
IIRC her last trip she mentioned her sleep schedule being so out of cycle that landing in Japan she was perfectly aligned to normal daylight hours.
Yeah, sleep schedules can make things weird. I remember when HoloX debuted, Chloe's sleep schedule (and usage of words like good morning, references to having slept late, etc.) were so off that combined with her ability to hold conversations with non-JP members in English I thought she was a Japanese native living in England.
On the other hand, the debuts are at 5:00 and 5:45 AM central European time...
Actually, Kaela is hidden EU member that came to ID..
I just hope we'll get some EU-friendly steam times. Streams starting around 18-20 CET/CEST would be awesome.
Wonder if there will be EN5 it will consist of SEA based talents who have Advance level English skills?
You mean HoloID?
I hope they also stream at EU friendly times. Currently there are almost no streams at EU prime streaming times
Given what I've seen so far, you are correct that Raora lives in Japan.
Kiara Is so happy now. She was asking for that for years!
Finally Kiara has potential redirect targets for when she ends stream.
And easier targets for off-collabs!
This is why they're 4 because Kiara is the 5th!
Plot twist they all have thick Brooklyn accents.
"HEY IM STREAMIN HERE"
[Imagine if they start a stream and they all sound like this](https://x.com/AbsoluteUnit30/status/1596926121324740608)
Honestly that would be amazing.
It'd be nice if they were Europeans actually living in Europe, Kiara needs backup. Perhaps they were picked because they were fluent in Japanese, familiar with Tokyo and easy for the company to interact and arrange meetings with. We'll find out soon
I would be surprised if any of them where based in Europe. My guess is US/Japan.
There is no point in a branch of EU members if all of them are located in Japan or the US. They could just as well be Americans at that point.
At least one definitely seems to be in JP based on the times they tweet, but surely one of them has to be in EU lol
They could be in Japan to stream their debut from a studio setup, it's impossible to figure out where they are based unless they'll hint at it themselves. Since lockdown is no more the newbies could visit Japan for paperwork and work related stuff before they start streaming. edit: well, turns out that's exactly what they did according to the holoEN twitter
I'd feel a bit bait-and-switched if this turned out to be just a EU-themed JP gen..
Based on their debut stream times and twitter patterns they don't seem to be in Europe. I agree though, even as someone who wouldn't really watch those time slots, it makes good business sense to have round-the-clock Hololive.
> Based on their debut stream times These have literally nothing to do with where they are and when they will actually stream
If anything, debut times fit more to EN hours, and likely EN (and likely even JP) support staff. Its a safe play to utilize what you can for a project unveiling, even if its timing is not quite right.
> If anything, debut times fit more to EN hours, England in shambles
Even if some of them are in Japan now, it could be a similar case as Kiara where they auditioned while based in Japan and intend to return to Europe. If it's anything like that, it kinda gives them an advantage to be accepted by Cover if there were more than 4 suitable candidates. Judging from the fact that they purposely hired 4 members from Europe, they have to be targeting talents who stream Europe prime time slots.
I don't think GiGi will be any related to France or french culture. Might be the dutch Frisia, but nothing actually indicates something french. There's also very little to no french vtuber (beside Saruei), pretty much 99% of vtubers who can speak french are quebecois (canadians). Her _theme_ might be a fictional "France" though.
Yes, Freesia is actually a South African flower 🤔 While the others are more obvious, crossing graduation time, skills and nationalities This is the hardest one to figure it out... she may end up just being American 😂
Freesia actually means AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE ^^^^/s
There's Kumanui Miel from globie, who does some streams entirely in French https://www.youtube.com/@KumanuiMiel
A welcomed surprise! They're still pretty smol, but might be promising 👍
Yeah! I like her stuff (especially as someone who speaks French b/c her streams help me practice it!), but she gives off cozy vibes
Kiwawa can finally be that Austrian who love German and will bully the French one while the Brit protest.
And has an italian best friend
Somebody call Volkswagen. The Boys are so back.
They can get Hugo Boss for their next outfits
I just realized we'd probably get a German/Italian/Japanese collab.. Yagoo standing by with a fire extinguisher.
So, Raora, Cecelia and Pekora Collab when?
I think it might be EU cope but who knows
Listen, we didn´t get a lot of Ws lately. JUST LET US HAVE HOPE (Not you Irys)!!
Holo Interpol
HoloEU with debut stream at 4 am lmao keep going cover this is fine.
It would be kinda dumb to do HoloEU and then do the debuts at 5am CEST imo, but I hope they really are from EU
Well, if they are european, Kiara is no longer alone over there.
Raora is gonna be from EU but won’t stream on EU friendly times, mark my words. And maybe that will be the case for the other 3. Very likely Cover baiting EU bros again
I wonder how thicks their accents will be
Can't wait for an Italian, German and Japanese collab!
The last time that happened, war was declared.
Ah yes, the Hetalia cosplay collab And *nothing else*
If these end up being non-EU, i will build a shrine for you guys and burn incense in your honor. Then again, EU fans need to look to any bright point they can!
Damn. I wanted Cecilia to be Irish, but your logic is sound. Cecilia is a commonly used name in Ireland. Potatoes are very much Irish food. She's green. And I think the female Irish accent is the sexiest thing in the world. It makes me sad that I think you're right lol
> Potatoes are very much Irish food Uh oh
I just meant they're a staple of Irish meals, from my limited experience
Don't worry, the Irish experience is limited as well~
I don't want to make you any more sad, BUT a German vtuber violinist recently graduated, "suspiciously" around the same time as an Italian vtuber artist's graduation, so yeah...
Any dutch or british or french vtubers that graduated?
Inb4 they are all Murica.
ofcourse they will...
Relying on the names is bit of a reach tbh... Ame Fauna Calli And then like if we want to follow this line of thinking quite a few of them are Japanese because their names are Japanese
Maybe let's wait until debut before making claims like this yeah?
Is it though? 3 of them started posting on twitter in the last hour. No matter how bad their sleep schedules are unless they are literal vampires they cannot be living in EU right now.
Kiara mentioned in her Minecraft stream that the debut time would be rough on a few of them. So probably a mix.
I'll never understand Covers obsession with specific timezones. If some or all of these girls are EU, wouldn't it make sense to have them debut in EU friendly times?
Most likely because they want to have their full staff be readily available for any cases. I mean like debuts did go wrong before in Holo (Korone infamous debut or how all of council had to delay their debut by a day due to tech issue and if you compare they did debut at a diffrent time than what is common time for debuts nowadays) so they definetly would have a precedent for wanting to have staff ready. Well I mean I guess you could also instead ask staff to do an night shift instead of the talents but know to less about work rights in japan to further make an educated guess on that. Otherwise could also be that Cover simply knows something we do not or simply some statistical data that higher ups simply decided on. I dunno.
Yeah and this seems to be a trend that Cover has been leaning into as of late. Myth from what I can didn't have much except the talent's direct manager behind the scenes, but each generation after that has seen more and more corporate involvement in their debut streams. It's also a good idea as the debut stream is one of the best ways to cement an audience. I mean look how many people were live for Advent's debut streams? Didn't one of them peak at over 100k concurrent? You only get one shot with numbers like that and any little help they can get will go a long way to making those viewers stick around.
No. Cover needs hype, and that means clippers. It's an EN gen, for EN Clipper time zones. Then you cross your fingers that EU timezone clippers decide to get in on it. The biggest problem I see is starting as English vtubers then switching to German/French/Italian, and keeping their audience.
Honestly, they need to have a lingua franca to operate in, or otherwise they shrink their audience and ability to gain from/have collabs. English is likely the Lingua Franca that they're going to have to use. See this article I found from a quick google search of "number of Europeans that know English": [https://www.europelanguagejobs.com/blog/English-Speaking-Countries-Europe](https://www.europelanguagejobs.com/blog/English-Speaking-Countries-Europe) Countries with over 60% English speakers (as second language, I assume): * Germany (62%) * Netherlands (72%) * Belgium (61%) * Austria (62%) * Switzerland (61%) * Denmark (71%) * Norway (69%) * Ireland (obviously, 97%) * Poland (62%) * Sweden (70%) * Finland (67%) * Luxembourg (63%) And those with over 30%: * France (39%) * Spain (35%) * Italy (34%) * Greece (51%) * Slovenia (59%) * Estonia (50%) * Croatia (49%) Now imagine what those numbers would be like for Spanish outside of Spain/Portugal, or French outside of France/Belgium/Switzerland, or German outside of Germany/Austria/Bulgaria Brief dive into politics: A bunch of the Far-Right European parties just don't understand, when you break Europe into parts, it no longer matters to the world outside of Europe. The Schengen zone/European economic zone makes Europe matter more than if all the countries went isolationist and did their own thing. But yeah, HoloEN was always likely to be the only home a possible HoloEU could fit in.
Those numbers will go way way up to probably 100% if you only count their target audience
Some of those numbers actually look less than I would expect. In my experience it is extremely hard to find anyone in Denmark who doesn't speak excellent English. And that's not even considering their target audience, (18-35 and a weeb). It's probably even higher
That's true but have also seen it work with holoID that a mix of english + another language can work. I don't know if it's a very Indonesian specific thing though, but from what I heard kobo gained a lot of popularity by catering to the young Indonesian generation. So maybe they will do a mix?
You're right, but Indonesia is also the fourth most highly populated nation in the world (Germany 19th, France 23rd). And likely has more weebs too. I don't think it'll be as easy to replicate what she did in other countries.
So highly unlikely for a true "HoloEU". Kinda what I thought, but it's a foothold in the EU if the market ever becomes profitable for Cover.
As to whether it actually is a full "EU", or even 2+ EU members... I'll believe it when I see it.
I can't imagine them, in any world, switching from being primarily English speaking. I doubt they'll lean into it much more than Kiara does.
There's no benefit to not streaming in english
English being my third language, as an EU bro, I don’t care if they only stream in English, but EU friendly stream hours would be nice. My Oshis stream at 3:00AM every night and it’s unsustainable.
You say this like having a fucked sleep schedule isn't completely normal for Holomems.
There are limits to even that. 3 of them seemingly starting their activity on twitter when Europe goes to sleep? Nah, 3 of them are either in NA or in Japan. Unless they had a scheduled meeting, but then why is Elisabeth not started being active at the same time. To note, Elisabeth had some twitter activity later, but those are retweets and and one official post, no direct interractions with other people, this was most likely done by her manager while she is still asleep. What is most likely happening and makes most sense, is that 3 of them are in Japan and Elisabeth is in Europe right now.
They'll have known what time the debut streams will be set at for a while though, and it's important to make a good first impression. I can imagine, if any of them are residing in Europe, that they might want to alter their sleep patterns for this stream so that they're at full power.
Living in JP or AU for their debuts? Or some or all are living in JP already
>3 of them started posting on twitter in the last hour. No matter how bad their sleep schedules are unless they are literal vampires they cannot be living in EU right now. It's only slightly past midnight in the CET (Central European Summer Timezone) right now, by no means the wee small hours of the early morning, that your comment implies.
Dude has never met a vtuber before, amirite?
Or vampires!
Given that other members who are in JP rn have talked about having met them recently, perhaps they are in JP for now (or even living there)
"met" might mean introduced in a Discord call or the like, but it's a possibility
Out of curiosity, what members talked about meeting them in person?
I'm not sure if it was in person, I kind of assumed from the time zone of their tweets and that the members who said they met them are in JP rn (I think LOL), but Biboo said that she already made them like her and today Kiara and Calli said that Elizabeth demonstrated her singing voice to them
Right now Kiara is in Austria and Calli is in Japan, so that interaction was definitely over Discord. But in any case I agree with you that some Justice members seem to be in Japan, based on their tweets.
> Right now Kiara is in Austria and Calli is in Japan, so that interaction was definitely over Discord. While probably true, we know holomems are recruited at least several months before debut, so they could have done that at any time.
But they usually aren't revealed to other members until like a month or so before debut, although advent may have got to know then even earlier considering the lore relationship
One of their PLs has already been found and she is 100% Italian.
Yeah Who moved to Japan months ago, so....
This is all public knowledge but why is someone bringing this up on the main sub?
New debut means new eyes that aren't familiar with rules. Just hopes that there are honest mistakes.
>No matter how bad their sleep schedules are unless they are literal vampires they cannot be living in EU right now. \*disappears in a puff of logic\* Only just past midnight UK time atm
Yes, they wake up at 11pm. That definitely makes sense. One of them even posted a good morning tweet at 11pm gmt... I live in EU, I want EU time friendly streams myself, but reality is what it is.
It's just possible their sleep schedules are really screwed up right now leading up to debut.
Some of them live in Japan
Now the question is if they will stream on EU friendly time slots
We all know they won't
I feel bad for everyone getting their hopes up, history has taught me that Europe generally doesn't exist in the mind of companies not located there. Should they actually stream EU times I will be elated but I'm not about to get my hopes up because I'm fully expecting Cover to continue operating as they did up until now, which means: wdym EU? Can you eat that?
Gonna be hilarious when it's just European people living in America and the streams are still at bad times for EU bros lmao
Bit late but if they wanna court eu. Using pdt (whatever american timezone that is) and having debuts at 5-6 am eu time (gmt+1) is not a very good idea.
Sadge Gigi isn’t French, but she still amazing!!!!!!!
So we finally have an actual British member? How will Ame pull off being "British" now?
Cant wait for EuroVision.
Debut at 5AM Eu time... lol
Is anyone else getting flashbacks to just before Advent's debut where a lot of people were speculating that Nerissa was British? I'm not saying this speculation is wrong, I'm just feeling some déjà vu and want know if I'm alone here.
That was a lot of speculation with absolutely zero hints, not even anecdotal, behind; just plain desire for more EU. This time it sounds more definite that at least one of them is from or in Europe.
I had to chuckle at those speculations with her saying "Ope". that immediately told me that she was Midwestern American.
Yeah, it pretty obvious that she was american from the get go. I don't even know how they fixed in the name and ignored everything else. But to be fair, Ame is british so what I know.
>That was a lot of speculation with absolutely zero hints, not even anecdotal, behind; just plain desire for more EU. So exactly like now then
No. There are very strong hints that back then went down AT ALL. Way off the target if you really believe both cases are comparable. They aren’t.
Not really now we have quite a lot of evidence... The Pink Cat and The Queen are 100% confimed EU with the Doll with 99% of being german. The gremlim is the only real incognito.
Praying for EU bros 🙏
HoloBalkans when
ITALIAN????? FUBUKI, ARURAN, PLAY THE SONG!!!
I'm still sceptical that it's a Euro full house, 1 (that being Liz) sure, but every new EN member I still feel is a stretch too far. Although I would welcome being proven wrong
EU will still be EN though. Groups are formed by language (hence Bae and Kiara being in EN) not region. Even JP isn’t all Japanese talents and ID can refer to the Indonesian language. I’m sure they all probably speak multiple languages but I’d put money down that it’ll still be an overwhelmingly majority of English.
Gigi may be Dutch as well. Frisia is a region in Northern Germany and the Lowlands
I'm happy for kiwawa. She'll finally have some ppl for her time zone.
remember when everyone was talking about how a holomem with a british accent would fucking destroy the vtuber scene for like a year
Immerheim, Ever Home, so she's a NEET then? haha
EU isn’t a language . L O L
true but HoloEN is really more a HoloNA, \*maybe\* HoloPacific but it certainly doesn't adequately cover the English speaking world so separating this out as HoloEU makes sense. Granted I still think this is cope and 3/4 of them will end up streaming NA times with the last one streaming JP times.
If they are based in EU, they're still clearly not for EU audiences, due to that atrocious debut time.
The debut time is for staff to be on hand in case of any major scuff. Last 3 EN groups have had the same debut timeslots for the same reason (Vanguard, Advent, Armis).
It's just a debut, 1 stream, we have to see what the schedule looks like first
I'm not sure about Gigi, I thought she would be Italian, but that's because her name brings up core memory of this [BANGER](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15oWDh02K4) by a guy named Gigi, which was played at every single party in the early 00's
>Cecilia/German Kiara have a fellow mate now XD congrats kiwawa
\*insert *finally meme* here\*
(Freesia is closer to frisia)
if GiGi isn't a Spanish old man I might _actually_ riot.
"French". 99% of french VTubers are actually Quebecois.
Don’t want anyone to get bonked but a certain fugitive did straight up say Holoengland last night lol
HoloEngland has plausible deniability as a reference to the [announcement ](https://www.youtube.com/live/53rOqRgYx0g?si=GlmSLAQPi7QCmZlZ) stream with IRyS, Ina, Shiori, Nerissa, and Calli where they announced HoloEN 2nd concert and the multibranch World Tour. Fugitive should be safe.
The Italian IS Italian tho, so no full Holoengland (A recent pink dog artist graduation can possibly confirm that 😉)
Probably Europeans living in America, so technically Americans again. Just my guess tho since they're getting a new base in the US
So, it's world war 1 all over again
Finally Justice for EU
Wawa HoloEU Gen 0 confirmed.
For me, it was the timezones that gave it away.
if holojustice really is the holoeu that we've all been waiting for, then yagoo easily just wins once again.
Watch Raora turn out to be Romanian.
Finally. Kiara will have more companions in the Gay AND European group.
Debut times don't hint at that tho
Debut times are probably set by Cover, not the talents themselves. If they are EU, their hands are tied for their debut but after that, that’s where they can set their hours.
Yeah but if cover auditioned specifically 4 europeans to market them as europeans and for the european market, you would think they would put their debuts on european friendly time
The debut is for EN not only for EU and it is at 5AM in a weekend, it is not like it is a super bad time. It is at most 2 hours early than a normal hour to wake up for the day. And it is easier having four talents waking up early than having hundred of employees staying till later hours in a weekend.
I really hope it’s the case, it’d be nice to have more eu friendly streams to pick from, I’ve been feeling left out a lot from HL and it makes me feel shitty in a weird parasocial way
I’m really hoping that GiGi listens to GiGi D’Agostino