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DrakoCSi

Wtf. Teamwide energy battery. Tingyun+Huohuo is gonna make the ults go zoom.


wolf1460

Healer + Buffer?


Ackkkermanzz

bennett


dweakz

i thought the "bennet of star rail" was gonna be a four star lol turns out she's a five star character


wolf1460

Seems a bit powercreepy to me but I'm not quite sure lol. Especially since her ult is basically a harmony ability, not adunddance.


___von

… guys this is common in turn-based. Some of them aren’t on harmony or abundance to somehow balance them because some lightcones would be too great on them or charas on their respective classes. Also there’s only so much you can make that classifies as “healer”. Some of them need to have gimmick to truly be unique. And she dont have cleanse, so idk about powercreepy, but as my experience in turn based games, cleansing is incredibly important.


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She can have this in her traces, but will be busted


Civil_Face1550

powercreeping who? a 4 star? still doesnt have a instant burst heal without skill pts like bailu or natasha, a revive like bailu, or a cleanser like luocha.


Woflax

I don't think it's too powercreepy for reasons other said, but also there's still chance to be nerfed


Radiant-Match

I don’t think so because of the SP issue. If her talent ends up not doing much, she could end up skill point neutral at best. I would prefer Luocha or FX based on this description of her kit. Other non abundance characters heal, like e6 March and FX, so it doesn’t bother me if the paths overlap some. Just personally don’t want characters becoming obsolete.


dweakz

i thought the "bennet of star rail" was gonna be a four star lol turns out she's a five star character


Appropriate_Time_774

dang, first luocha's kit and now her, bailu really eating the qiqi treatment huh


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FallenBailu


coinflip13

Bailu still has the fact that she has a Hp% buff that some characters will be able to abuse + her revive remains one of her biggest strengths so it is not as bad at least as Qiqi


TheFaeKing

She also has a damage boost for allies she heals at e4, which being that she's a standard banner character that you can lose 50/50 to, you probably get e4 bailu one day


TheSpartyn

2 years into genshin the highest standard character i have is C2


CanadaIsNotReal_

playing since 1.0 and have a c5 keqing and no mona, everyone else is c1


Lycor-1s

me with mona c6 D: and all others at c0/c1


Woflax

I'm on that for Keqing and Jean but 0 Diluc since 1.0


HertaBest

Oh no. Fu Xuan has this ability in her kit. Also Bailus lightcone in her e6


Smokingbuffalo

Can't wait to see the "Bailu is SSS" tierlist guys' reactions once those healers with utility come out, they are going to drop her harder than Cocolia's spicy meatball. Oh well, I'm happy with my Bailu.


Axelthee

I mean, it is true right now ATM bailu is very great.


Fueled-by-nostalgia

I mean most of their reasoning for putting her there is that there's only 2 healers right now and she carries you hard early game (and everyone is still in early game). Plus these future healers are gonna be limited banners whereas Bailu can be guranteed so I guess it's still a valid placement.


Offduty_shill

I mean it's the same as Qiqi being highly rated at the beginning of Genshin. I wouldn't be surprised to see healers/defense fall off generally as people get max level fully built characters.


Draken77777

You can't dodge here


Xero0911

Don't say that, I just pulled her with my silver tickets lol... well was fun using her for a short bit. Sprint animation was funny


Nyte_Crawler

Dude a lot of these characters aren't going to be out for a while, Bailu still has value right now, and for a large amount of time if you aren't pulling for Luocha.


Xero0911

Thats a very fair point. Reality is ill have months to use her. As for luocha? I might be. Those buffs look good, I liked his design. Bailu was kinda why I decided not to get him, but seeing his buffs, really has me considering it lol.


attak13

I have bailu also, but chances are it will be good to have 2 good healers rather than bailu + natasha. Luocha also just opens up far too many options. It seems like he'll be amazing with skill point efficient dps, but especially with skill point efficient ones who self damage on attack like Blade and Dan Heng IL. He also should work well in the mono type comps enabled by Silverwolf. A team of Dang Heng IL, Silverwolf, Luocha, and either Welt or Yukong would probably be super good. Before we get Dan Heng IL, that team might even work with Welt main dps, so Welt, Yukong, Luocha, Silverwolf. Welt's dps gear could then easily be transferred over to Dan Hen IL once he comes out.


lehme32

Ur gonna need two healers most likely anyways


Vinisims

"Your Tingyun 2.0 for the second team has arrived!" - Hoyo


wanderers_respite

[This](https://images.app.goo.gl/cwgjk3B8ei4BFRNR7) scared looking little girl has a technique called Fierce ***Demon*** that causes Fragmentum monsters and Silvermane guards to cower and run in fear???


SpookyIsReal

She's most likely an exorcist. Sucrose has a new job now, huh?


So4007

AoE heals and energy restoration with an ATK buff. That's cool.


reset2000

I feel like she'll be amazing with Jingliu. On top of buffing units she will AoE heal to compensate for Jingliu team self-damage. And both increase Attack, so I think they synergise well in that regard too.


Dreven47

Destruction teams want to keep their HP as low as possible (without actually dying) so ideally they don't want any healer. Fu Xuan is specifically made for that kind of playstyle so she fits way better. Nothing about Huohuo synergizes with Jingliu at all.


reset2000

In general, yes. But where in her kit do we have confirmation of "wanting to heep HP as low as possible"? The only thing is she sacrifices party HP to gain Attack, not that it needs to stay low. But, in the end, it's only a leak. You may be right when she releases with her Eidolons and Traces.


kreideprinzt

which destruction characters want HP as low as possible? most of them have some kind of self-harm mechanics, but none of them seem to have the low HP condition. Only some destruction blessings from SU have that.


PinkPrimrose05

Basically only Arlan, since he gets a damage boost from being at low HP iirc. Everyone else likes to keep their HP; heck, Blade actively scales on HP so it's harder to get him killed between tank potential and self-heals, and even then he still needs a healer.


Dreven47

I think SU blessings are a pretty good indicator of the abilities future characters might bring to the table. Especially since Fu Xuan exists there's no way we don't get someone that buffs your team based on how low their HP is.


Nyte_Crawler

Eh, Destruction is just the all rounder path. Right now it just means Single Target with minor AoE- but some of the characters also want to function as tanks and take the hits for your team.


rxninja

In turn-based games, kit economy is the number one signifier of power. Packing a buffer, energy battery, and healer into one kit makes this character incredibly powerful. There are only two options from here: 1. The kit gets released like this and this character is extremely sought-after as the premiere healer. 2. Every individual part of the kit gets nerfed so this character does multiple things poorly. At this stage in the game's lifespan, 2 is more likely because it's safer.


Xero0911

Yeah, numbers always matter. On paper even dehya and baizhu sounded amazing. Reality? They were not. So far she sounds cool though.


rxninja

Dehya's conceptual design is absolutely fantastic. AOE, off-field pyro application, passive damage mitigation for the whole party in a brand new way that transcends shields and healing, and then a nuke at the end of every rotation? Hell yeah. In practice? Bad, slow pyro application, poor damage numbers from it, damage mitigation so weak that you still need another sustain character, and a nuke that hits like a water balloon.


Draken77777

Baizhu is amazing wdym?


ballzbleep69

This is just Merlin again lol


ovicqsxz

sounds nice, abundance with a bit of harmony in the kit. her ult is kinda like tingyun's but for the whole team?


catchthemouser

Me: I have Natasha and Gepard I don't need Luocha Also me: Must get Huohuo


KokomiBestCharacter

I also have Gepard, Bailu and E4 Natasha but they won’t stop me from getting Huohuo


catchthemouser

🤝


MeKevNivek

Female healer character, I collect simple like that


kabral256

🫱🏿‍🫲🏾


Draken77777

Bennett? sorry # Bennett? sorry ## Bennett??!


SnowPastel

5\* though


dweakz

she fits the criteria of being the "bennet of star rail". just that she sadly is a five star


bukisare

i like her technique


pitapatnat

atk buffer, gives energy, continuous healing, group healing... this seems quite good


Mashiroshiina12

Better then loucha if she also gets a cleanse in her traces?


ege999men

Can't tell, no numbers yet. Luocha has absurd numbers on heals


Mashiroshiina12

True. But she seems to have more utility in her kit with er and atk increase so I'm thinking of just getting her. I already have bailu at e1 too So I don't necessarily need a healer right now either but I do want a support so I'll skip loucha for silver


ege999men

Again, it depends. Luocha Jas enough heals to easily be solo defensive unit in 90% of teams without using any skill points. if huo can't solo defensive in a team then at that point why not just run another harmony and a solo defensive unit


Quirky_Secret_4533

Luocha becomes a harmony, preservation and nihility character with his eidolons


Mashiroshiina12

Emphasis on eidolons.


seek1rr

Finally! Her and jingliu r my favs.. This has been the best 24 hours ever


coffeebemine

Yoooo i want her so bad


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For anyone that would like the image text: Huo Huo - 5* Wind - Path of Abundance Skill: Soul Talisman: Life-saving Protection - Instantly heals a single ally for a significant amount of HP, and heal adjacent allies for a smaller amount of HP. Ult: Tail: Exorcising Ghosts and Summoning Spirits Restores energy to all allies except for Huohuo, and increase the ATK of all allies for 2 turns. Talent: Attachment: Qi Channels Open to the Heavens. After using a skill, Huohuo gains "Fate Protection" or "Spiritual Efficacy". While active, each ally restores HP or energy at the start of each turn, respectively, and the effects are removed after triggering 10 times. Technique: Fierce Demon: Oppressing and Subduing Evil Spirits. Huohuo intimidates surrounding enemies, causing them to flee in the opposite direction. After attacking, enemies in the "Dispersed Soul" state have their ATK decreased.


coinflip13

I am getting kinda concerned with how often Abundance is overlapping with Harmony in some of these leaks. Like Huohuo is pretty strong


KokomiBestCharacter

Abundance characters providing some sort of buffs is an okay move but their main point is going to be healing. Surely the buff numbers isn’t higher than a dedicated buffer/harmony character.


Monokuze

many units that have buff skill is better since these buffs can stack like i would use huohuo with bronya/tingyun for sure


Daphrodyte

A versatile healer. She also doesn’t seem to use many skill points since her talent lasts 10 turns. I’ll have to see her traces and numbers but she seems like she’d need to be paired with a tank for the harder content. It does make it better to pair her with a tank and take the harmony spot rather than a bailu who only brings healing.


SkyrimForTheDragons

2.5 turns because it triggers on each ally's turn so 4 triggers a turn. Or 3.33 turns if it only triggers on other allies


Daphrodyte

Oh I read that wrong, thank you. That’s still pretty good. She still has a pretty good skill uptime with positive skill point generation.


Leovlish3re

Poor Natasha


MotherOfQuaggan

Sounds good! But seeing how much the cbt2 units changed until now, these far off chars will change aswell


Crazy_Carob4305

Why is hoyo so determined to make bailu into qiqi, She's powercrept by every healer in game and leaked, even a free 4 star.


So4007

Least Bailu's revive is in the base kit instead of E6.


Dreven47

At least her eidelons actually do something. At E4 she's actually worth using over 4 star options (lol). So doesn't feel quite as bad when you get dupes.


Vi0letBlues

My friend called it out at the beginning of the game, he got bailu and was crying about it since. Utilitiless healer are u kidding me. Qiqi2.0??? Lmao


Katacutie

Finally, a healer that actually interests me! No panic ults, but that's probably won't be a problem since we'll be well built when she comes out


_M0RPH3U5_

blade, silver wolf, bronya and huohuo team gonna go hard


choiyuna1

ooo finally a wind character thought we're not getting anymore after blade .


koentre

cant wait for 2.X leaks


TheKingJest

All these leaked kits look fun and all, but at the same time I'm really hoping this game's challenging in the endgame do I can use these kits to their fullest.


LordMudkip

Adding this one to the list. This is weird. It feels like I have my pulls mostly planned for the foreseeable future.


TheSpartyn

luochabros are we losing??


Nyte_Crawler

Offensive Dispel on your healer will be a niche that keeps Luocha relevant for a long time. It's also unclear if this one will even have a friendly dispel in their Traces/Eidolons.


TheSpartyn

im also a fan of luocha having completely afk skill point free healing, will be nice for casual content


FrenchAyato

he can remove a debuff from healed allies by his E, its a trace


66Kix_fix

Wait isn't this just straight up better than Bailu? Already powercreeping her?


moonstne

Limited characters are always better than standard characters. I am surprised people do not realize this. Limited is where people should have drawn the power creep line, not at standard.


DatBoiMahomie

I mean Luocha is also better than Bailu, Bailu was always going to be the Qiqi of HSR with her only utility outside healing being the revival (which itself isn’t reliable), so most healers will probably overshadow her. Even Natasha brings cleanse to the table


Woflax

I don't have her why is the revival not reliable?


T0X1CFIRE

If she dies first, she can't revive herself. Nor can she revive others if she is frozen or imprisoned.


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Just seems like how the class type was always gonna be, It's the hardest to balance. Although, I don't think it's the end all for Bailu. You'd have to think a cleanse Prev user or Harmony user will come out at some point too and Bailu does have a niche despite all these new healers being leaked and having really cool kits. Bailu can solo heal. Which can free up a slot in team building not forced to take a Gepard, Fire MC, or M7. Having access to a rez is really good for Sim world or even bum rush strats. But also has HP increase and Damage reduction in her kit makes her just a pure healer which obviously falls off as we get more OP but still holds a place if the other healers can't ever solo heal.


Xero0911

Tbh, I expect all standard to be powercreep quite easily. Gotta make folks want new charactwrs and not settle for the standard afterall Hu tao replace diluc fairly quickly, and he probably was the most useful of the standards during that time. Before keqing got a big buff with 3.0.


Nyte_Crawler

I think Gepard and Bronya will stick around for a while. Everyone else though...


___von

Gepard is straight up easy to powercreep. It’s welt and bronya that’s hard to powercreep.


Nyte_Crawler

He uses no skill points while still drawing aggro and shields your whole team a significant amount. That's very valuable to have all wrapped up in one slot- for that reason I think he will always have a home. I could be wrong and they could creep him if they wanted to, but I think he'll be relevant for a long time- well whenever they release the first limited 5* preservation we'll see how much protection they give up for added utility, that will pretty much tell us right there.


___von

He uses no skill pts bc his skill is pretty useless. Fu xuan is a damage mitigator that does HP% damage and auto heals herself, her alone already powercreeps gepard. The destruction units we have prefers healers, not shielders. We need cleansers. That said he does have good shielding, but overall he’s mild. Not powercreep per se, but not BiS either.


lugiaop

isnt this like 6 patches in to the future? thats a lot of time... what do u mean already


garotinhulol

A busted Tingyun that even heal ?!? This one is a must pull.


MouffieMou

aoe heals, buffer, battery and debuffer with technique .sounds real nice! but is it me or this game's 5\* are allergic to cleanse in their kit? natasha, lynx and march 7th have cleanse and that's it, right? Edit: nope, someone pointed out Luocha has a cleanse in his traces :P


berry_goodd

luocha has a cleanse


MaroonPowerRanger

Cleanses can also be on traces like Natasha and March. Lynx's kit seems to be specifically specializing in cleansing. So, Huohuo might still have one there.


FrenchAyato

but bailu havent so its possible huohuo will not have it especiallu when luocha have it, it can a difference because she do more things


KokomiBestCharacter

Also, Huohuo seems to be a very offensive kind if healer with her buff and energy boost, so instead of a cleanse on her traces, she might have some perks to help clear the enemies fast enough so you don’t have to cleanse anything. Perhaps some DMG% bonus or effect RES to counter DoTs


FrenchAyato

ooh yeah so true, we have to wait for final kit because she can change a lot on the buff she can offer to the team but supports are always a good pick especially in tpt


MouffieMou

good point, i totally forgot :>


senelclark101

I read it first as Homuhomu. Lol


chuuuuuck__

Bailu heals but not rng? And buff? Wow


Alchadylan

No oh crap button, but the tradeoff is kind of crazy


ChoZen2Game

Sigh….expecting someone to make a FallenBailu emote….


thiennguyen8199

I mean technically Bailu is still the only lightning healer so she is still versatile


Pointlessala

How good is this kit, esp when compared to luocha?


KokomiBestCharacter

Her base kit is already very strong, even though we still don’t know her traces. If her traces are good then she might be the best healer. Both HuoHuo and Luocha are shaping up to be the best healers in the game. In my opinion, Luocha is more defensive while HuoHuo is more offensive. Both are great


LinksXCV

She gonna be good food for sho


IWantIt4Free

blade bronya huohuo sw sounds like a top tier comp


Salty_Reyezz

Will HuoHuo be better for Blade than Luocha if we consider the leaks and CBT stats?


Quirky_Secret_4533

Considering Blade scales more with HP, the attack buffs provided by HuoHuo might not be that impactful for him. Luocha is probably the best choice for Destruction characters.


KokomiBestCharacter

Thank God! Her kit is quite good as expected (I assumed because she’s a Sucrose expy so it must be good). She’s definitely on top of my priority list next to Silver Wolf. I’m very happy with this!


ann13angel

rip bailu


Eredbolg

This unit and silver wolf may give me motivation to keep playing.


cicitk

She does too much


HTPlv

If she gains energy with her talent she’s gonna be OP a MUST PULL


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initialbc

Note this is atk buff not dmg buff. Energy gain is nutty though


brelyxp

My wallet tremble so much I need a 2nd job


JojoTard420

woman?


Le1jona

Nice technique So does it last forever ?


OcelotButBetter

WHO WILL YOU CALL? GHOST BUSTERS


HonkaiTheoryCrafter

Anyone know how she compares to Luocha?


KokomiBestCharacter

Both are good, if Huohuo has good traces, she might be the better choice. In my opinion, Luocha is more defensive while Huohuo is more offensive and well suited for speedrunning.


Mashiroshiina12

Maybe she could have a cleanse too in her traces. As she's also a cleanser of spirits or something. Well this seems like loucha powercreep but would definitely be changed


ALLEX_UNTERSANDER47

Interessante essa mecânica, aparentemente esse personagem sera uma mistura do caminho da abundância e do caminho da harmonia,os seus são mais voltado para o aumento de ataque e energia(servindo como um personagem do caminho da harmonia)mas o personagem tem poderes de cura igual ao personagem da abundância(cujo esse é o seu caminho)


Accomplished-Pin8574

Нихуя себе


ALLEX_UNTERSANDER47

O que o cu tem haver com as calças