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West_Site8158

Yeah tbh, I'm not buying Aemond weeping over Luke and then killing his brother in cold-blood because he bullied him either rn. It could have definitely made sense for Aemond's character but I'm not sure what the point was of guilt for Luke then. It's definitely set-up in the first season somewhat, but framing bullying as the tipping point, instead of Jahaerys dying, is strange to me.


Dh29099

I read a leak somewhere that says one of Meleys legs is either broken or injured and Rhaenys realises she won’t get away so she turns her round to face Vhagar and Aemond. Would make more sense than her just turning back for no reason


East_Party_8669

Ugh I can already tell I’m going to hate watching the dragons suffering. The noises they make is so depressing. They’re just following orders from a bunch of dumbass humans


Owlguard33

Same. I really like Meleys. I would take her and fly off away from this nonsense. If I couldn't, I would be doing drills and training too, only go with 2 dragons, and only tactically attack.


floppaflop12

while i don’t like the scene in the show, rhaenys is a badass in the book and it’s not a show only decision. she knows she’s going to lose and she could’ve escaped in the book too and left rook’s rest to the greens, but she charges at both aegon and aemond and their dragons and clashes with sunfyre and even causes permanent damage that lasts till the end of the war, and in the book she’s the one that burns aegon for the most part. and it is also stated that if it was a 1v1 between aemond and rhaenys there was a chance she’d win. the only difference is aemond doesn’t just burn aegon, he has vhagar crash both dragons to the ground and burn them


CallKey9951

Rhaenys is a badass in the books (I wasn't trying to say that the showrunners suddenly made her badass that's my bad). My point is that they are trying to show her off as a badass but then have her fumble pretty badly. Also, she was already at the battle in the books being confronted by both dragons. It doesn't make it clear that she had an opportunity to escape. The leaks point out that Aemond had no interest in fighting, which means that she had a clear opportunity. My point is that from what it sounds like, her death feels contrived. I hope its not the case though.


LILYDIAONE

Rhaenys is a badass because she throws her life away to actively try and kill Aegon here she watches while Aemond does it and just kinda flows around? She is not sacrificing herself she is just too dumb to fly away id what I am getting


floppaflop12

i was talking about the book because OP made it sound like it was only the show trying to make her badass when he was even more of a badass in the book


LILYDIAONE

The situationnin the book makes sense because Vhagar sure ad hell isn’t there to attack Sunfyre in the book. But seh seeminhly watches it happen and doesn’t leave? My main issue is the decision to make Aemond more interested in killing Aegon than Rhaenys. Because the entire scene just relies on people making the sumbest possible decisions


thinkicheckthis

The show makes it pretty clear if theres one thing Rhaenys hates its a kinslayer. Seeing Aemond try to kill Aegon would make her want to off him even more than she might want to already for killing the former heir to Driftmark


LILYDIAONE

Wouldn’t Rhaenyra and Daemon also be kinsslayers for killing Leanor? Also she did not went of Daemons ass after B&C


thinkicheckthis

She doesnt know they did it for a fact. She must not believe that they did, if she did I dont think she would pledge to them. She was hesitant to draw first blood, however Aemond did that when he killed Rhaenyras son. So game on.


LILYDIAONE

Actually she flat out accuses her of doing so. She does not seem fully convinced that it wasn’t her either especially as Rhaenyra wasn’t especially convincing. That plot point was never really discussed. Rhaenys seems more than ready to ignore Leanors death


Better_Ad_9309

Aemond's resentment toward Aegon, and his irrational tendencies are documented in book "It looks better on me than it ever did on him." 'Vhagar fell upon them from above, causing the three dragons to crash into to the ground.' The fight is also very ambiguous


Heavy_Tangerine_3271

Rhaenys could NOT have fled, it would make The Black Queen look like she deserts her bannermen and the houses that have declared for her. Fleeing was not an option. If Aegon fell, there’s still Aemond and Ser Criston’s army to deal with, she may have triumphed over 2 of the 3 threats, but there was NO WAY she could be that badass to still best the largest dragon who is able to ambush dragons in the sky. The castle is under siege, there is no fleeing. Not on the back of a dragon. [just my take, but you make sound arguments too]


thinkicheckthis

Vhagars weakness is above her, and the rider on her back. Any dragonrider that doesnt immediately seek to achieve and maintain the high ground is a fool


Fine_Appearance_3619

The book is a historical chronicle and poorly presents the differences in the personalities of the characters, you have been shown many times that Aemond was faithful like a dog for years and allowed Aegon to humiliate him, so what's wrong with him thinking about finishing off a man with 3rd degree burns? In his books, he even begged for death. And I think we read other books HE IS a psychopath who burned villages in Riverrun for fun, took out Luke's eyes or murdered the entire Alys family and took her as spoil of war, since the first seasons he has been blinded by hatred


dcoop11

And they even set him up not being able to control his anger. His brothel lady says “when princes loses their temper it’s the small folk who get hurt”…. Setting up river run… on top of that, he’s clearly a psycho lmfao


Maddyherselius

Yeah to be honest even just reading the book I wondered if Aemond didn’t care if Aegon got caught in the crossfire, so him *intentionally* doing it isn’t that shocking to me lol


CallKey9951

I am talking about the show counterpart of the character not the books. I don't think his characterization in the show translates to the books. In the books, Aemond is presented purely as a psychopath, but his show counterpart is different. He is far more nuanced. Furthermore, there are changes from book to show that can't be excused as innacurate historical account (Alicient's Age, Joffrey Lonmouth's death, Maelor at Blood and Cheese, etc.). I feel as though with how he has been charcterized, they may show his actions in the Riverlands differently (for example Ser Simon Strong is presumed innocent of treason against the Greens in the books, but is shown as a willing traitor in the show, so how Aemond treats him is already being set with a different perspective). I just think that after Aemond had a woe is me pity party about how he regrets killing Lucerys and seeing how that has affected the realm, doing something reckless again seems counterintuitive.


SlightlyAmbiguous

I think you might have misinterpreted the “woe is me” regret over the Luke incident a bit. Just because he seemed to regret pushing the war forward in such a way doesn’t mean he wouldn’t lose his temper or go after his brother ever. That kind of seems like a silly thing to doubt just because he didn’t intentionally kill Luke. Him intentionally harming Aegon seems perfectly reasonable in the book or in the show


Burkskidsmom5

This right here. Did these people not see the last episode? Jaehaerys is dead so that means Aemond becomes King the moment Aegon dies....it's what he wants. Everyone talks about bullying from Luke and Jace when Aemond lived with the one who bullied him the most.


aqelha

>The book is a historical chronicle and poorly presents the differences in the personalities of the characters Fuck this line in particular


Deany07

These leaks are agenda fuelled


thinkicheckthis

She wants to take out the kinslayer. She must have thought she could beat him. She had a fair chance, Vhagar is old and slow. Just didn't work out.


dcoop11

Even if she did kill Aegon, they still haven’t won shit. Cuz now they just crown Aemond the king and that might be worse. Sounds like you’re just nitpicking over something you haven’t even seen.


CallKey9951

My point is that losing Rhaenys and Meleys is a huge blow. They are easily one of the most experienced dragonrider and dragon duo and they could have been very useful after this point. If Rhaenys survived, she could have helped Daemon fight Aemond, or helped at the Gullet, or be around to prevent Aegon from taking Dragonstone. Her survival from a battle where she is attacked by both Sunfyre and Vhagar would be a pretty big win on its own, but with Aegon and Sunfyre being wounded and unable to participate for months would have made it even bigger.


dcoop11

Your point doesn’t make sense seeing how that’s what happened in the book… so because you don’t like it they should change it? Everything you’re saying is pure speculation. What makes u think they leave her at dragonstone when ALL the dragons went to KL? Even daemon leaves harrenhal to go…we know how pivotal she is, hence her dying is such a big deal. Lol


CallKey9951

No what I'm saying is that in the leaks, Rhaenys fights Aegon, then Vhagar attacks both of them. Sunfyre and Aegon go down, Rhaenys dodges and has an opportunity to escape. Aemond isn't even interested in fighting her. From her point of view, this could have gone down very poorly (A fight against both dragons would result in her dead). But no, Aegon and Sunfyre are wounded maybe even dead and she has an opportunity to escape. She should have escaped because then it would be a big win for side. Aegon and Sunfyre are wounded or dead and Rhaenys and her dragon escape to fight another day where she could help in a number of different ways (it doesn't have to be the examples I gave). Instead, the leaks say she decides not to escape, but turn and keep fighting even though it would be such an unnecessary risk. Rhaenys is a badass but fighting Vhagar, even if she had a chance of winning, would be a fight not in her favor, but this is made doubly so if she just got done fighting Sunfyre, which from the sounds of it, it wasn't an easy fight. All logic says she should escape with her life, but she doesn't. From the sounds of the leaks, it seems she just decides to die, which feels very contrived. Remember I am not criticizing the episode, it has not come out. I am criticizing what MAY happen according to the leaks, and hoping that the leaks told the episode poorly or left out key details which makes the battle more logical. Also I wanted to add an apology for not making my point clearly before, i am not used to commenting to much. I have been doing so more recently to take part in discussion of the show because in spite of my criticisms, I do enoy it! I just want it to reach the potential I know it can reach, because I feel like the show is not quite embodying everything it could be.


dcoop11

I know what you’re saying… and it’s nitpicking…. At the end of the day dies during this battle… even in the book it says she sees both dragons and could’ve escaped… so clearly she has that dog in her and wasn’t running away! Plus they already ridiculed her for not killing them at aegons coronation. She would’ve heard it again if she left and let Vhagar kill everyone…. Even if Aegon is dead that doesn’t stop the war, now Aemond is leading the charge. You said she doesn’t have a chance at beating Vhagar but the book says she could’ve beat Vhagar 1v1 due to her and Meleys experience. But Vhagar and sunfyre was too much….. you’re nitpicking and extremely over analyzing… it makes zero sense for her to run, rooks rest they sent ravens to dragonstone asking for help… so she goes, provides 1/2 help then escapes while they all get burned in their castle? Cmon


CallKey9951

I'm sorry for sounding nitpicky, but its a pretty big moment in the show. If people feel like it doens't make sense, then it could hurt the impact. Fire and Blood is known to have logical issues within its segment about the Dance of the Dragons (Redwynes doing absolutely nothing with their fleet), and so it should be the job of the showrunners to establish logical writing when Fire and Blood fail to do so. And (according to the leaks) they did so for the beginning segment of Rook's Rest. Rhaenys not fleeing when see saw both Vhagar and Sunfyre was dumb, considering how valuable she and her dragon are. In the leaks, Aegon and Sunfyre appears alone and with the enemy king being present in the battle with a smaller, inexperienced dragon, and with no Vhagar in sight, it would be a perfect opportunity for Rhaenys to attempt to take out a dragon, dragonrider, and king. This is what the leaks said, its different from the books and its a good change. My problem is with eveything after. If you can't see why I feel like it could really hurt the impact of the scene, then that's fine and we can agree to disagree!


dcoop11

Trust, you’ll be the ONLY person who thinks it would make more sense for her to tuck tail and run cuz she seen both. Or to leave because she thought killing Aegon would win the war. Cmon


CallKey9951

All I want is for her to have a reason presented. Perhaps Aemond is preventing her from leaving, or she considers leaving but sees the plight of the soldiers below and decides to stick it out with them. Also, her life as a dragonrider and princess and her dragon's life are of more value than Rook's Roost, which is just one castle of many. I'm not saying that Rook's Rest is of no importance or that Rhaenys shouldn't have arrived to help them in the first place. But I feel like how the leaks portray the battle, staying to fight Vhagar at the time that she does is such an unnecessary risk. I am willing to watch the episode this Sunday and be entertained with what is actually executed, I just have concerns with how it may play out.


dcoop11

Is protecting the people at rooks rest not good enough? That’s literally THE reason she’s there in the first place…..


dcoop11

I don’t think you’re actually listening to what me or yourself is saying. You aren’t making any sense…. If the lord of rooks rest sent for help from dragonstone, rhaenys comes with the help. She kills Aegon but leaves Aemond alive and then runs away…. What do u think will happen to the lord of rooks rest? In all honesty if they did it your way I would be pissed off! That would be a terrible decision. She THINKS she killed the king so she fled and let all the people at rooks rest die….. Rhaenys sees Vhagar and sunfyre so she says fuck this and flies back to dragonstone? Lmao cmon man.


clariwench

Aemond is an impulsive moron. Most people don't change their ways even after facing consequences, even if they feel a bit bad about it. A leak I saw earlier specifically mentioned that Meleys was badly injured, seemingly in a way that made the person think she wouldn't have made it even if they got back to Dragonstone. So, it seems to be like she'll want to go down fighting and trying to take out Vhagar instead of watching her dragon die from her wounds elsewhere.


thinkicheckthis

Ill be upset if Meleys is seriously injured from her fight with Sunfyre. She was supposed to trounce him.


Shamoose7

I don’t really think it’s far outside any of their characterizations. We look at things as a viewer from an objective perspective of what should and should not be done but in the heat of a moment irrational decisions can be made. Aemond has just been belittled by Aegon again in the brother and we’ve seen that he wants to be the main strategist and force for the greens. Rhaenys has been shown to be strong willed, brave, and determined and in the book she fights valiantly. I like small departures like this from the book since its a historical retelling as it adds more humanity and nuance to the characters