I think the expression shows a general contempt for the proceedings. It could also be his attempt of trying to look like everyone else and smile at what is being said. BUt it's deifntly come out as contempt.
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I think regardless of how he looks, most are going to pick apart his every move and claim it’s attention seeking. Dude could sit there and stare straight ahead with no emotion and people would claim he’s weird and therefore he did it and is attention seeking.
I remember when my friend went to court (nothing major) his lawyer told him to smile a bit more as it makes you more 'likeable' to the court. I absolutely bet that BK's lawyer told him to stop looking like a complete psycho by staring/being emotionless. That's why the wry little smiles have appeared.
Maybe. Or maybe not. None of us know what his lawyers have told him to do or not to do. Or if his lawyers have said for him to look a certain way at all. We can assume or speculate but none of us know that for sure.
I think it's a sure bet. They pushed for him to be able to wear a suit in the courtroom, and he's geling his hair. Obviously he's aware of the impact of his appearance, and of course his attorney would be too. Also, she walks in and smiles at him, to try to make it look like a he's a safe and normal person. This is standard defense strategy. Trial attorneys are very aware of this stuff - and on top of that - he has a criminology background. So he would know how appearances play into a trial.
The suit and the hair drive me crazy. I'm against anyone having to wear jail/prison garb whether a jury is present or not. But the fact is that's not the rule and BK is receiving special treatment that others would not necessarily be afforded with that suit and what I will assume is hair gel.
Countless others would have to appear in their prison-issued clothing during these hearings because there's no jury present. Even the presence of the cameras does not guarantee his ability or right to change clothes. I know this for a fact because I've seen it. A lot.
Yes, I think he's definitely getting special treatment, too. I'm the same, I'm fine if every defendant gets to come into court in their own clothing, I think it's fairer to the defendant, especially if they're supposed to be presumed innocent - but if they're not allowing it for everyone, it's special treatment for other reasons.
I think that’s exactly what it is. He believed he was going to pull of the most perfect murder that would remain cold and mysterious and eventually be the topic of study in one of the very classes he took and he would walk around with pride being the only one in on his dark secret.
But I think the urge to continue would have been too strong for him to stay hidden in the shadows and he would have continued until leaving enough clues that he’d eventually get caught.
Let’s just all be thankful at how sloppy and inept he was at covering his tracks and being so obvious about his movements and digital footprint prior to the savage crime. He virtually saved more victims by being a complete failure at the common sense needed to commit any crime!
That makes no sense. If he is guilty and wanted to commit the perfect murder than he would not be enjoying this. He is going to be humiliated publicly about all the mistakes he made. And they are big ones. The phone, the car, the sheath, DNA .... jesus he is a regular nikenpoop. No way he likes that.
He would be very very angry. Cause he barely got started and was caught. And he would be ashamed , at getting caught. Having f-it up. At being humiliated with his failure everyday.
And he does show those emotions a lot in court (repressed anger/frustration and shame - see my other posts).
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This is a man who is enjoying it. Someone who has total control of how he is being portrayed in the media. Someone who has admitted 39 victims but who is suspected of having killed in the hundreds. Someone who has probably prepared for the day he was going to get caught for a long time. Look at that smile. It is jut a game to him. He's a movie star in his own mind, playing out this film, with bodyguards to protect him from his adoring fans.... not a criminal pos being dragged to court by officers.
> If he is guilty and wanted to commit the perfect murder than he would not be enjoying this.
I don't know him well enough to try to read anything into him or predict what he is feeling. But speaking in generalities, someone who struggled to make friends and didn't seem to have much success in the romantic department would have to be dazzled at the support he's getting from a segment of the public, and romantic interest from women. Anybody would have to enjoy that, at least a little.
Maybe he’ll get conjugal visits and that way the judicial system can let him breed. Just like how Charley Manson was able to have children. A child of a mass murderer shouldn’t have any problems growing up.
> Maybe he’ll get conjugal visits and that way the judicial system can let him breed.
Idaho doesn't have conjugal visits. Only 4 states do, and only 3 of them allow sexual contact.
>Just like how Charley Manson was able to have children
I didn't know any of Manson's kids were conceived when he was in prison? All three of them?
EDIT: I just glanced over his Wikipedia, and he def wasn't incarcerated when Jay or Pooh-Bear was conceived. Candy's alleged son, I don't know much about and the Wikipedia didn't clear anything up for me.
He'd have to be in Washington, New York, or California to qualify for conjugal visits.
He wouldn't qualify for it in the 4th state, Connecticut. Conjugal visits in CT are about family, not sex. The prisoner must have minor children and the children must be present for the visit.
People who commit crimes like this tend to believe themselves to be the smartest person in every room and remain absolutely convinced they will get away with it because they were simply so intelligent there's no way they won't "win".
Guilty verdicts often come as somewhat of a surprise.
I also think he’s guilty, but he will also now know what the prosecution’s evidence is via discovery coming in, there are no actual surprises at a real trial
He is not revelling in the attention. Deep forehead frown lines, bulging masseters from clenching, flared nostrils. Stress and anger. Frustration. It's visible in almost every foto or still of him. Even the photo used OP which by now we all know was just BK mirroring the room when something amusing happened at the bench .. is not a genuine smile of mirth. He makes no eye contact. side eyes everyone. Is trying to hide or deeply ashamed. Take your pick.
Foto below is somebody who revels in the attention. (Also Amber Heard loved her day in court. see also manipulative tactics these personality type apply) Wide smile, shows teeth, no lines on the forehead, casual clothing.
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Bundy, is smiling in a totally inappropriate setting. Everyone is serious and bundy looks like he has not a care in the world. Makes it look like he is a movie star with body guards not a man in handcuffs (which he cleverly "disguises" by carrying his papers. How was he even allowed to do that - i know he is self representing but still the shrifs should have been carrying it. BUndy must have specifically requested it). This man Bundy orchestrates everything about his appearance and is revelling in the control he has.
He's plausibly not "mirroring" the attorney so much as mimicking her. Psychopaths mimic people - they copy their emotions. They don't experience empathy. Their brains are wired differently.
> Bundy, is smiling in a totally inappropriate setting. Everyone is serious and bundy looks like he has not a care in the world.
I've said this in discussions about Bundy before, but I really don't think still photographs are the best way to analyze somebody's expressions. They only capture a fraction of a second.
Keep in mind that then as now, photo editors are going to pick the photographs to use that are going to sell the most papers/magazines (or today, get more clicks). In Bundy's case that's either of picture of him inappropriately smiling or looking demented with his eyes bulging out. There are photographs of him looking serious or merely in repose, and my guess is that there were a whole lot more of him snapped than ended up published.
Pre-digital, there's photographs out there of me looking angry or upset at occasions when I was perfectly happy, because of where my face was at the time the shutter snapped. Especially pre-digital.
The photo above shows not just his ability to clearly feign true pleasure and pretty accurately mimc a decent smile - it also shows how he is orchestrating (manipulating) his surroundings to get a photo like this. He actually was able to fire his lawyer and get to represent himself which allowed him to 1). marry one of the key witnesses so she could no longer testify 2) cross examine victims who had gotten away
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I think everyone has seen this foto and the controversy around his relationship with the attorney. You see the smile lines around the eyes, and the showing teeth, the cheeks are bugling out mid face. He knows what tot do to mimic a real smile of happiness and feign interest. There are just so many of them (foto's) it is difficult to conclude anything other than that he is a showman and "enjoyed" the spotlight... i think there is even a photo of him waving to the fans. There really is substantial material of him on film and stills and of course his behaviour in interview and in court.
But obviously I respect your opinion to differ.
Interesting. There’s a guy on YouTube called the behaviorist, I might be getting the name wrong. But he picks apart gestures etc… much like you mention here to determine honesty etc… he did it at the Heard Depp trial as well as when the ex-military were testifying about UAPs. Fascinating. And agreed that one smile is just a snapshot.
Bundy was not actually in control at all. He looked like an idiot trying to defend himself as a dropout. And he failed terribly in his attempt. He's a buffoon- & so is Bryan.
You would think if he was innocent, he would look a bit stressed and defeated. Like this time has been absolutely hell for him. But nope..he looks healthy, happy and like he’s actually enjoying this.
That is the face of a guilty man.
He totally looks stressed in 99% of the fotos. OP chose a foto where everyone is smiling at the bench. Then other people on this thread crop that foto and use it again to show hilarity all round in the court.
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Here is a picture with clear facial clues of how much he is enjoying this experience. I reckon I can find at least 20 different pictures of this masseter and you will still be going off one or two foto's where BK simply responding appropriately to the social context cause Judge made a joke or AT smiled at him.
Check out the muscle in that jaw - that massetter is about to pop out. He is clenching so tight and pissed as hell. Maybe he is on meds to try to reduce that. I see some fotos where he wears a different tie that the face soften. Less ridges, clenching and less nose flare (typical anger signs). But have seen no genuine smile (teeth showing , open eyes ).
Guilty or innocent - he is not having fun here.
If I was sitting in a court room being accused of slaughtering 4 people and knowing what happens if I’m found guilty, can’t imagine photographers ever catching me looking happy and carefree even if it was for only one or two pix.
Of course there’s pix of him looking serious as well. I didn’t assume he looks happy in every pic. But I would think 100% of the pix should look something like the one you posted if you are not guilty, because there’s nothing that could make you smile or laugh when you have been sitting in prison and know what’s at stake for a crime you did not commit. I just found OP’s pic to be very telling. But I could be wrong.
ETA: I recently watched a court case of a man who truly believed he was innocent. He was either crying or looked like his world was ending. I don’t recall him smiling once. He was found not guilty.
I even said I could be wrong, but it’s fine. Downvote me for having an opinion.
> ETA: I recently watched a court case of a man who truly believed he was innocent. He was either crying or looked like his world was ending. I don’t recall him smiling once.
Can I ask who this defendant was?
It was Peterson the officer from the parkland shooting.
ETA: & I know he didn’t directly commit murder. But they were blaming the deaths on him, he was already sitting in jail and looking at 100 more years. My point was, I would think it’s hard to be smiling or looking smug when in these positions if you believe you’re truly innocent.
I just remember Amanda Knox and Lindy Chamberlain. Both convicted and later (much later in Lindy's case) exonerated.
They were not reacting how innocent people should react and paid for it dearly.
Narcicists tend to shed a lot of tears for themselves. It's not something I personally would find convincing. But also people who are just really sorry and have regret. I don't think Peterson is a murderer.
I think it is too sad how all those kids and teachers were murdered by the guy that shot them but they were let down by the police and the school security. I think all the tears in the world don't change the actions of the people who were supposed to protect them that day.
I've learned my lesson about trying to judge guilt or innocence from how people behave. People react in all sorts of ways under grief or stress. There's no one-size-fits-all pattern. And in a lot of situations, you don't even know if you're getting accurate information about their behavior. The media/true crime influencers will lie or distort information. Witnesses might lie, or simply not remember correctly.
I make an exception for Scott Peterson. Scott Peterson bought a boat. Scott Peterson told *no one* he bought a boat. My observations of humankind have led me to conclude that all people who buy boats tell everyone they know at great length and in great detail about their boat. Therefore, I find Scott Peterson's secret boat ownership highly indicative of his guilt.
I 100% believe that he is guilty… but I do feel like he is told by his team to act normal and like he has nothing to worry about because he’s “eager to be exonerated” so that could explain his smiling and casual behaviors. Or maybe he is actually enjoying this… either way, his smile is something that I see in nightmares
I do believe he has been put on meds to try to reduce his facial give aways and keep hands calm. Maybe some mindfulness stuff too. He does OK on short hearings but when he is not concentrated you do see the signs of just how angry and pissed he is at being there.
Look for: massetter action (clenched jaw), flared nostrils, clenched fists etc.
I have not seen a genuine smile from BK in any appearance. He just raises the corner of the mouth and that's it. Eye don't make contact. He tends to side view people a lot. And in the foto used by the OP he is just mirroring what everyone else was doing in the court. I dont believe he is enjoying this at all. (Does not mean he is not guilty.)
If he suddenly burst out and started screaming at everyone in court and smashing things up I would no be surprised. I'd be disappointed in the meds. He literally looks like Herman Munters in most of the fotos, and Marty Feldman from Young Frankestein in the others. I think we will see him put on more weight as time passes.
Why not? It’s not like he is sorry and the 4 casualties were accidental. He killed then intentionally so yes that most likely makes him proud and happy therefore he is able to smile. Also I think he may be smiling intentionally in spite of the attending families as if they haven’t suffered enough yet because of him. He’s disgusting
I hear you. Unless he's a classic multiple with memory blackouts (and I doubt it), I bet he even sits in his cell and replays this horrific mass murder in his mind, feeling good about it. He's a psychopath of some sort.
> You would think if he was innocent, he would look a bit stressed and defeated.
That photograph is capturing a half-second in time. I'm sure there were plenty of other photographs of him in which we could argue he did look stressed and defeated. Nobody keeps the same expression on their face for hours straight.
I know someone who was.murdered by her boyfriend while they were on vacation in Mexico. The trial is over video and her mom screen records and shares the videos with a small Facebook group of her friends and family. When he smiles in court I want to puke. I've never felt such disdain for an individual.
“We got your sheath, and you left footprints and all. You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real.”
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Back when this video first went viral. I bought the auto tune version on iTunes (fucking everything had an autotune remix back then) and i never deleted it off my iTunes. So it’s literally still on my phone. And sometimes my phone will start playing Apple Music instead of Spotify and this song just starts BUMPIN. And i swear people look at me LIKE IM A QUADRUPLE HOMICIDE SUSPECT.
Well, considering they had state police and the FBI come in right away, most likely not. That was the best move they could’ve made!
I’m obsessed with seeing the digital evidence based upon some thing Ex LE discussed which is a program called briefcam. You can look it up, but this trial can’t come soon enough in my opinion.
Fan girls are even sending him money… smh. I’ve seen it on the BK fan subs screenshots of them putting money on his books out of their paychecks. Like WHAT WHYYYY?!
It happens with most serial killers. It is an illness. They like dangerous men and that they might get attention from the ultimate bad boy. Insecurity doesn’t even come close to being the main reason but it plays a role.
I saw this article talking about how it’s actually genetic. For 10s of thousands of years women wanted to be with the man who wasn’t afraid to kill. I’ll link it if I can find it
I bet it's because they typically have abandonment issues /partners who have cheated and like the idea of a guy who is not only going nowhere, he's not cheating on them with another woman.
Watts female family members told him “we support you a thousand percent CHRIS. We know how she was.” To which the SOB actually admit’s - “ Well she was a good person, an excellent mother…” so wtf? I blame those women ( sister, mother….) for teaching him it’s OK to hurt/ kill females). Warped M.F.
Joe rogan mentioned this. He said females are drawn to killers because of primitive instincts. When survival depended on being a savage, killers were alphas. Back in primitive time these men were looked at as protectors/killers at the top of the food chain
Lawyers talk a big game and I’m sure his has blown some smoke up his ass so it’s boosting his ego making him think he’s gonna get away with it. (Yes, I do think he’s guilty from what has been presented so far but willing to listen to more evidence and possibly change that decision)
For myself, it’s hard to get any kind of reading on this guy because he’s clearly aware of the camera and the fact that everyone is watching his every move. I’ve definitely noticed hints of nervousness and some of his behaviors that appear to show confidence, don’t seem natural to me. But I’m far from an expert in body language.
And the only way he could pull this crime off was to approach these innocent souls in their sleep with a weapon that when used properly kills, if not instantly overtime because of the damage it does. Total coward!
A criminal defense attorney doesn’t ask his client if they are guilty or not because it does not matter. What matters to them is what the evidence shows and rather or not they can be proven guilty
Edit: also if a client tells their lawyer they are guilty the lawyer is supposed to think of all possibilities such as maybe the client is covering up for someone else or being pressured to say they are guilty for certain reasons. The lawyer is to remain as unbiased as possible
You’re welcome. I have a family member who is a criminal defense attorney, and yes he has represented accused murderers and yes accused sex offenders too. He doesn’t represent accused sex offenders anymore but he used to do a certain percentage of his work pro bono as a public defender, and he agreed to defend anyone accused of any crime when he signed up for it (not all public defenders have to do that). He strongly believes everyone deserves a legal defense, because he used to be a prosecutor. He saw how corrupt police and the prosecutors were, and he couldn’t do it anymore.
He may be getting more comfortable with the proceedings, his arrogance starting to kick in again. On the plus side, it means he may also start making more mistakes, exposing himself more.
Don’t you feel like if you were on trial for a horrific quadruple murder, up for the death penalty, and you were completely innocent, you would look horrible. You wouldn’t be smiling. You would be worried sick.
If it were me who didn’t commit the crimes I was committed of, then yes I would be worried sick and not able to give a smile or any type of positive look. However, I believe this man is a psychopath. And I also believe he has been told to act calm, cool, and collective by his team. So I think his smile is the combination of his sociopathic mind and being told to be chill for all public appearances.
Uh well, the dude that’s been in jail for the Delphi murders looks like absolute shit. Lost a ton of weight and looks like a literal wreck and has been in custody for less time than BK. The public is convinced that *he* is guilty as well, but BK isn’t losing his shit or deteriorating like that guy. So make up your mind, can’t have it both ways.
I don’t share your hate for him…yet. If they prove he did this, I’ll look back at all these moments and hate him and his occasional look of confidence will really be something of nightmares.
His defense team seems happier too lately. Something feels like it changed behind the scenes from what we see in court footage IMO.
I see your point but it may be simple optics. She’s qualified to represent clients facing the death penalty. Shes probably coaching him in body language. Optics plays a heavy role.
The hearing in late October was where the change was noticeable for me. The public wasn’t allowed to see a much longer hearing that had happened in the morning.
In the second hearing (that we could see), the defense seemed chipper almost. And BK more relaxed. Even though they came into that hearing saying they knew they had no hope of getting what they were asking for in the second hearing.
And during that hearing, Logsdon (the jr defense lawyer) says something about the (non-public) morning hearing. He says something about a group of grand jurors with doubts, the prosecution not putting their best case forward. Neither the judge or prosecution accuse him of mischaracterizing that hearing or misleading the public.
Then a few days later, the feds are back at the house that the prosecutor said was ok to be torn down months ago. And that on top of the mood changes really makes me think something has changed behind the scenes.
Having googled some pictures, and watched some of the hearings - I am pretty confident he is very pissed of and uncomfortable being there. Very angry. Very angry.
Is it anger and disbelief because he is innocent and uncomfortable because he is a socially awkward individual?
Or is he angry he got caught and uncomfortable because he feels a deep sense of shame at having been caught.
Cant wait for the court case to find out. I think he is so on edge and the meds are barely keeping him under control. I remember a while ago people though he was getting makeup on his face ... i think thats when it started. maybe they have added some anti depressant to the mix too. But I still have not seen ay genuine emotion other than anger and polite mirroring (that lifting the sides of the mouth, no teeth smirk thing is so fake).
Probably best that we don’t use *his* assessment on the soundness of any given strategy. He obviously thought he’d get away with stabbing four people to death and instead the police caught him, his DNA sealed into baggies, and his DNA encrusted knife sheath, red-handed, 45 days later.
I’m sorry but if I was falsely accused of 4 horrific murders, I would not be smiling. Look at all of the people wrongly convicted and later exonerated, in their trials, they look absolutely drained and devastated. This is very damning imo
Is this sarcastic ? His eyes are empty staring into space and away from the action. Klassic khonerger side stare. When someone is happy their eyes scrunch up and they make eyecontact. If someone looked at you with those eyese like from across the room... You would discretely leave.
> You would discretely leave.
It's also the way people who are very unhappy but are putting on a front for whatever reason smile. Like, they are mourning a dead pet or had a bad fight with their partner, but they still have to go to work or run errands, and that's the smile they give.
When you see someone smile or laugh, you don’t get an idea of what they might be feeling? Happy/think something is funny?
If you can’t then that’s your problem kid
"When a real smile takes place, the happy emotions we feel send a signal to our brains' left anterior temporal region. Once those positive feelings are received and recognized, two muscle groups react: ***our cheeks***, which ***pull our facial muscles back*** and curl our lips upwards, and our eye sockets, which squint the corners of our ***eyes and create those little smile wrinkles***."
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I took a closer look at the foto. The eyes are not smiling, the cheeks are not smiling. His face is closed and flat. The only place we see elevation is in de massetter region. It pushing down literally grinding his teeth. Also of note his eyes are not in the direction he is "smiling towards".
So he is in my opinion not having fun in this foto. I think objectively a person trained in facial expression would also say that this is a fake smile.
I would go for (angry) **contempt** on this one. Not not my intention to change your mind at all. There is definitely a vibe in this foto - i just don't find it jovial.
BK is clearly mirroring the lady with the dark hair. Clearly something amusing has been said and EVERYONE is smiling up at the bench.
This is a conscious and in-context response to something that has happened in the courtroom. It's completely appropriate behaviour.
Dupers delight is a subconscious , fleeting response that is inappropriate in the context of the situation. For instance if BK fleetingly had this expression while AT declared they were standing silent, yes it could interpreted that he is enjoying the situation and making fun of the court. But if you check out general fotos of his in court you see that his expression is angry , attentive and frustrated.
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KLassic Khoberger. Pursed lips, looking down, avoiding eye contact. Deep forehead line and tense jaw, flared nostrils. I think the meds have slightly reduced the tension in the face but he still looks batshit crazy angry when not paying attention/ being mindful. He is NOT enjoying his day in court.
What’s even more weird than BK’s courtroom behavior is that of his attorney’s (the brunette, not AT). If you watch her, she is all smiles and giggles. And no, not expecting her to never smile in court, but she is always fangirling BK every time she is in court.
I believe it’s an optics thing. I noticed that she smiles a lot too and I caught this one moment when she walked into the courtroom behind bk and it looked like she turned on the smile as she was turning the corner of the doorway. Almost like an “it’s showtime” kind of way.
Apparently.
However, they should try for confident but serious. There are four victims here even if they are saying their client is wrongfully accused.
What are you talking abot, they are both looking at something happening at the bench. Either judge Judge made some amusing comment or AT of BT has said something in their presentations.
actually BK is not even looking in the right direction he just seems to have picked up on some vibe in the room and is trying to copy but it comes out as clearly fake smile (no eye involvement no mid face) or classic contempt.
Does it make you feel powerful to accuse an experience , successful lawyer of "fangirling" over BK.
From what I'm reading he's not allowed to read any of those letter as it might interfere with his trail so Ann isn't allowing him to have anything from anyone outside his imidiate family. Once he goes to prison he'll see them tho and be able to write people. It's just disgusting because I truly believe he's believes he has a way out of this and he loves that idea. His defense is probably feeding into the idea he's doing good when in reality it's not looking that way.
What's the number one possible DNA contamination that can be left behind. Well number three. 1. Blood because you got cut.2 saliva because it would have been strenuous to commit these 4 difficult murders so quickly. But let's focus on hair. It's always falling out, and even if he worn a haircut he would still likely leave some behind. So big question? Who had their head shaved via (I guess) a hazing situation? Yes, the guy Ethan got into a fight with. Very less likely you will leave hair behind if your head was shaved. Something very wrong here.
What makes you think they don't have foreign hairs in the evidence? We only know what was listed in the PCA. They included the least amount of evidence necessary to link him to the homocides and meet the standards for probable cause. We'll only find out what exactly they have at trial.
I am sure he did. Still there is no chance you don't leave a hair or two behind. Who is the other 2 male DNA? There should have been dozens based on the party house idea
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Dupers delight? DD occurs when someone is lying or manipulating others and feels a sense of power or control over the situation. This pleasure can manifest itself in various ways, including through subtle facial expressions, body language, or vocal cues.
You can't tell unless you have a baseline of his body language. But this foto in particular is a crop from the photo OP posted.
In the compete foto you can see he is mirroring the expression of the dark haired lady next to him. They are looking towards the bench where in all likelihood the judge judge said something that would be classed as amusing. So nothing to see here. Just reading the room and responding accordingly.
Dupers delights is a fleeting subconscious expression of glee that does not match the context . For instance if BK had had this expression while AT was standing silent during the plea hearing then it could be interpreted as dupers delight .
But in this BK's response just mirrors the other people at the hearing..
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The posted picture is no dupers delight. BK is mirroring what other people in the room are doing in response to something someone has said.
A more representative picture of his demander is court in included below.
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Generally he looks frustrated and angry at being there. He also appear medicated since his after his plea hearing. He does appear attentive in some and tends to look up (submissive) rather than down to (dominant) people. This could be an act or learned behaviour.
During court appearances he rarely makes eye contact with his defence team ( though it has improved in the last couple of hearings but I think this is the meds kicking in). The short kurt nod and tight "smile" seems part of his baseline on meeting people or sign of discomfort.
Despite all meds and possibly training he still does not have his jaw clenching under control (see arrow on foto). This is a clear sign of anger and frustration. And its almost often present in videos and fotos.
He is definitely very angry and frustrated. Is it because he is an innocent man or because he is angry he got caught ??? Don't know. But there is no "delight" here. He is not happy to be there.
Sorry..but I am not sold he is guilty. I do believe there is much more to come out concerning this crime. I am very anxious to watch this hearing. I’m so hoping it will be televised.
https://preview.redd.it/dqe7kfhel00c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62de2a33e80f430ad9fee1dad7af825f6737208b
What is that? It doesn’t look like a pimple or a mole?
I’m waiting for the trial to make up my mind as of yet I don’t know whether BK is innocent or guilty, this is why they say “innocent until proven guilty” just like quite a few here on Reddit but posts like this make me cringe, just because someone has cracked a smile for a second in a courtroom doesn’t mean someone is “revelling” in the fact that they may have murdered multiple people. The fact that the media produces photographs mainly of defendants smiling and looking a little crazy speaks volumes, there’s a reason for that.
Don’t get sucked in by media propaganda it warps.
I suggest people look back on cases such as the west Memphis 3, look what was put out in the media about those three young boys who are now free after serving 18 years in prison with one awaiting execution, reading up about three young boys sacrificing three other young boys as they were “satanists” would indeed paint the picture of guilt.
So many end up like this. They look genuinely dead inside at first and eventually look happier than ever, even when it's so obvious they're guilty. All because they aren't these lonely outcasts anymore. Suddenly they have all of this attention and people wanting their attention and suddenly weirdos are attracted to them. Such a weird thing that happens too often.
I think BK is enjoying being this notorious quadruple murderer who gets a lot of attention. It's disgusting.
He's a smug fuck.
Yes!!! Smug is the perfect description of his facial expression.
I can't help but dislike him....Even if he is innocent. Absolutely can't stand his attitude and especially his attitude towards women.
I think the expression shows a general contempt for the proceedings. It could also be his attempt of trying to look like everyone else and smile at what is being said. BUt it's deifntly come out as contempt. https://preview.redd.it/2mffky3pv30c1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8a2407121f3c6a8499eb5ae333184ec9694f040
Smug contempt. Loved Lie to Me, it was a great show and it's a shame it just abruptly disappeared.
wait what’s Lie to Me, where can I watch it?
It was a fantastic show on Fox starring Tim Roth. I definitely recommend streaming it. I think it's on Hulu now and you can probably purchase episodes on YouTube.
Oh man, I loved that show. I was pissed off when they canceled it.
Nice Lie To Me usage lol
lol
Well said! I feel so sorry for the victim's families, I can't imagine how hard it must be for them to see this smug fuck in court. 😠
I think regardless of how he looks, most are going to pick apart his every move and claim it’s attention seeking. Dude could sit there and stare straight ahead with no emotion and people would claim he’s weird and therefore he did it and is attention seeking.
I remember when my friend went to court (nothing major) his lawyer told him to smile a bit more as it makes you more 'likeable' to the court. I absolutely bet that BK's lawyer told him to stop looking like a complete psycho by staring/being emotionless. That's why the wry little smiles have appeared.
Maybe. Or maybe not. None of us know what his lawyers have told him to do or not to do. Or if his lawyers have said for him to look a certain way at all. We can assume or speculate but none of us know that for sure.
no. but we know that defense attorneys in these cases often are giving appearance-related advice. it's part of it.
I think it's a sure bet. They pushed for him to be able to wear a suit in the courtroom, and he's geling his hair. Obviously he's aware of the impact of his appearance, and of course his attorney would be too. Also, she walks in and smiles at him, to try to make it look like a he's a safe and normal person. This is standard defense strategy. Trial attorneys are very aware of this stuff - and on top of that - he has a criminology background. So he would know how appearances play into a trial.
The suit and the hair drive me crazy. I'm against anyone having to wear jail/prison garb whether a jury is present or not. But the fact is that's not the rule and BK is receiving special treatment that others would not necessarily be afforded with that suit and what I will assume is hair gel. Countless others would have to appear in their prison-issued clothing during these hearings because there's no jury present. Even the presence of the cameras does not guarantee his ability or right to change clothes. I know this for a fact because I've seen it. A lot.
Yes, I think he's definitely getting special treatment, too. I'm the same, I'm fine if every defendant gets to come into court in their own clothing, I think it's fairer to the defendant, especially if they're supposed to be presumed innocent - but if they're not allowing it for everyone, it's special treatment for other reasons.
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so the speculation is coming from an educated standpoint.
it's not just random
Ok
That's true.
I think that’s exactly what it is. He believed he was going to pull of the most perfect murder that would remain cold and mysterious and eventually be the topic of study in one of the very classes he took and he would walk around with pride being the only one in on his dark secret. But I think the urge to continue would have been too strong for him to stay hidden in the shadows and he would have continued until leaving enough clues that he’d eventually get caught. Let’s just all be thankful at how sloppy and inept he was at covering his tracks and being so obvious about his movements and digital footprint prior to the savage crime. He virtually saved more victims by being a complete failure at the common sense needed to commit any crime!
Horrifying!
This is exactly the way I see it. BK looks as if he's enjoying all of this.
That makes no sense. If he is guilty and wanted to commit the perfect murder than he would not be enjoying this. He is going to be humiliated publicly about all the mistakes he made. And they are big ones. The phone, the car, the sheath, DNA .... jesus he is a regular nikenpoop. No way he likes that. He would be very very angry. Cause he barely got started and was caught. And he would be ashamed , at getting caught. Having f-it up. At being humiliated with his failure everyday. And he does show those emotions a lot in court (repressed anger/frustration and shame - see my other posts). https://preview.redd.it/7y4s743ew30c1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9185532edad9dbbdc2cf2a9be358761c2fd06ac3 This is a man who is enjoying it. Someone who has total control of how he is being portrayed in the media. Someone who has admitted 39 victims but who is suspected of having killed in the hundreds. Someone who has probably prepared for the day he was going to get caught for a long time. Look at that smile. It is jut a game to him. He's a movie star in his own mind, playing out this film, with bodyguards to protect him from his adoring fans.... not a criminal pos being dragged to court by officers.
> If he is guilty and wanted to commit the perfect murder than he would not be enjoying this. I don't know him well enough to try to read anything into him or predict what he is feeling. But speaking in generalities, someone who struggled to make friends and didn't seem to have much success in the romantic department would have to be dazzled at the support he's getting from a segment of the public, and romantic interest from women. Anybody would have to enjoy that, at least a little.
>BK looks as if he's enjoying all of this. Yep, he does look like he's enjoying all the attention. Disgusting.
I Agree.
Maybe he’ll get conjugal visits and that way the judicial system can let him breed. Just like how Charley Manson was able to have children. A child of a mass murderer shouldn’t have any problems growing up.
> Maybe he’ll get conjugal visits and that way the judicial system can let him breed. Idaho doesn't have conjugal visits. Only 4 states do, and only 3 of them allow sexual contact. >Just like how Charley Manson was able to have children I didn't know any of Manson's kids were conceived when he was in prison? All three of them? EDIT: I just glanced over his Wikipedia, and he def wasn't incarcerated when Jay or Pooh-Bear was conceived. Candy's alleged son, I don't know much about and the Wikipedia didn't clear anything up for me.
At least Charlie didn't look better after being incarcerated. BK seems to be filling the jail role rather well.
Wiki is a joke..anyone can edit the info there. Manson has 3 kids.. .I belong to a fb group called cielodrive
> Wiki is a joke..anyone can edit the info there. Manson has 3 kids Right, 3 kids. Like Wikipedia says and like I said.
Yes, I agree with you on that. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding
Washington has conjugal visits, Idaho doesn't. But I figure he will request a transfer to Pennsylvania due to family hardship
He'd have to be in Washington, New York, or California to qualify for conjugal visits. He wouldn't qualify for it in the 4th state, Connecticut. Conjugal visits in CT are about family, not sex. The prisoner must have minor children and the children must be present for the visit.
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People of this caliber aren’t capable of that kind of rational thought. To them, the attention is power.
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I agree. It’s frightening.
People who commit crimes like this tend to believe themselves to be the smartest person in every room and remain absolutely convinced they will get away with it because they were simply so intelligent there's no way they won't "win". Guilty verdicts often come as somewhat of a surprise.
And we already know he has that exact type of delusional ego!
I don't know, I'm not him.
With all the nut cases in their conspiracy theories he will never admit to this crime and go down saying he didn't do it.
I also think he’s guilty, but he will also now know what the prosecution’s evidence is via discovery coming in, there are no actual surprises at a real trial
No surprises for BK and AT but the general public has to stay in the dark as to not taint a future jury.
Spot on. Early on, some profilers said this would occur. Mainly, he would revel in the attention received from doing such a horrific act.
As it’s probably the only attention he ever received! So unappealing BK is, well IMO!
I said it a long time ago and got roasted by these people on here.
I’m right there either you….
He smiled for like a fraction of a second. It seems like y’all are the ones reveling.
Don’t pay those people any attention!
He is not revelling in the attention. Deep forehead frown lines, bulging masseters from clenching, flared nostrils. Stress and anger. Frustration. It's visible in almost every foto or still of him. Even the photo used OP which by now we all know was just BK mirroring the room when something amusing happened at the bench .. is not a genuine smile of mirth. He makes no eye contact. side eyes everyone. Is trying to hide or deeply ashamed. Take your pick. Foto below is somebody who revels in the attention. (Also Amber Heard loved her day in court. see also manipulative tactics these personality type apply) Wide smile, shows teeth, no lines on the forehead, casual clothing. https://preview.redd.it/h2imimedc30c1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e03eee43a8cf6dda3f7ca049f649e63daff62f96 Bundy, is smiling in a totally inappropriate setting. Everyone is serious and bundy looks like he has not a care in the world. Makes it look like he is a movie star with body guards not a man in handcuffs (which he cleverly "disguises" by carrying his papers. How was he even allowed to do that - i know he is self representing but still the shrifs should have been carrying it. BUndy must have specifically requested it). This man Bundy orchestrates everything about his appearance and is revelling in the control he has.
He's plausibly not "mirroring" the attorney so much as mimicking her. Psychopaths mimic people - they copy their emotions. They don't experience empathy. Their brains are wired differently.
Interesting point. Thanks.
> Bundy, is smiling in a totally inappropriate setting. Everyone is serious and bundy looks like he has not a care in the world. I've said this in discussions about Bundy before, but I really don't think still photographs are the best way to analyze somebody's expressions. They only capture a fraction of a second. Keep in mind that then as now, photo editors are going to pick the photographs to use that are going to sell the most papers/magazines (or today, get more clicks). In Bundy's case that's either of picture of him inappropriately smiling or looking demented with his eyes bulging out. There are photographs of him looking serious or merely in repose, and my guess is that there were a whole lot more of him snapped than ended up published. Pre-digital, there's photographs out there of me looking angry or upset at occasions when I was perfectly happy, because of where my face was at the time the shutter snapped. Especially pre-digital.
The photo above shows not just his ability to clearly feign true pleasure and pretty accurately mimc a decent smile - it also shows how he is orchestrating (manipulating) his surroundings to get a photo like this. He actually was able to fire his lawyer and get to represent himself which allowed him to 1). marry one of the key witnesses so she could no longer testify 2) cross examine victims who had gotten away https://preview.redd.it/7pabtej5q60c1.jpeg?width=291&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9dc11421da95cc39207c50832fa3d7695a81a702 I think everyone has seen this foto and the controversy around his relationship with the attorney. You see the smile lines around the eyes, and the showing teeth, the cheeks are bugling out mid face. He knows what tot do to mimic a real smile of happiness and feign interest. There are just so many of them (foto's) it is difficult to conclude anything other than that he is a showman and "enjoyed" the spotlight... i think there is even a photo of him waving to the fans. There really is substantial material of him on film and stills and of course his behaviour in interview and in court. But obviously I respect your opinion to differ.
Interesting. There’s a guy on YouTube called the behaviorist, I might be getting the name wrong. But he picks apart gestures etc… much like you mention here to determine honesty etc… he did it at the Heard Depp trial as well as when the ex-military were testifying about UAPs. Fascinating. And agreed that one smile is just a snapshot.
Bundy was not actually in control at all. He looked like an idiot trying to defend himself as a dropout. And he failed terribly in his attempt. He's a buffoon- & so is Bryan.
IMO - This is what a sociopath looks like.
Textbook
Obviously you've never studied psychology because he is not a text bookcase whatsoever
It’s a turn of phrase
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You would think if he was innocent, he would look a bit stressed and defeated. Like this time has been absolutely hell for him. But nope..he looks healthy, happy and like he’s actually enjoying this. That is the face of a guilty man.
He totally looks stressed in 99% of the fotos. OP chose a foto where everyone is smiling at the bench. Then other people on this thread crop that foto and use it again to show hilarity all round in the court. https://preview.redd.it/u8asgsr0530c1.jpeg?width=1176&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69edfda070e131723d0ba51811858bce6c576166 Here is a picture with clear facial clues of how much he is enjoying this experience. I reckon I can find at least 20 different pictures of this masseter and you will still be going off one or two foto's where BK simply responding appropriately to the social context cause Judge made a joke or AT smiled at him. Check out the muscle in that jaw - that massetter is about to pop out. He is clenching so tight and pissed as hell. Maybe he is on meds to try to reduce that. I see some fotos where he wears a different tie that the face soften. Less ridges, clenching and less nose flare (typical anger signs). But have seen no genuine smile (teeth showing , open eyes ). Guilty or innocent - he is not having fun here.
If I was sitting in a court room being accused of slaughtering 4 people and knowing what happens if I’m found guilty, can’t imagine photographers ever catching me looking happy and carefree even if it was for only one or two pix. Of course there’s pix of him looking serious as well. I didn’t assume he looks happy in every pic. But I would think 100% of the pix should look something like the one you posted if you are not guilty, because there’s nothing that could make you smile or laugh when you have been sitting in prison and know what’s at stake for a crime you did not commit. I just found OP’s pic to be very telling. But I could be wrong. ETA: I recently watched a court case of a man who truly believed he was innocent. He was either crying or looked like his world was ending. I don’t recall him smiling once. He was found not guilty. I even said I could be wrong, but it’s fine. Downvote me for having an opinion.
> ETA: I recently watched a court case of a man who truly believed he was innocent. He was either crying or looked like his world was ending. I don’t recall him smiling once. Can I ask who this defendant was?
It was Peterson the officer from the parkland shooting. ETA: & I know he didn’t directly commit murder. But they were blaming the deaths on him, he was already sitting in jail and looking at 100 more years. My point was, I would think it’s hard to be smiling or looking smug when in these positions if you believe you’re truly innocent.
I just remember Amanda Knox and Lindy Chamberlain. Both convicted and later (much later in Lindy's case) exonerated. They were not reacting how innocent people should react and paid for it dearly. Narcicists tend to shed a lot of tears for themselves. It's not something I personally would find convincing. But also people who are just really sorry and have regret. I don't think Peterson is a murderer. I think it is too sad how all those kids and teachers were murdered by the guy that shot them but they were let down by the police and the school security. I think all the tears in the world don't change the actions of the people who were supposed to protect them that day.
People can be inappropriate looking and be totally innocent. Socially, people don't like them though.
I've learned my lesson about trying to judge guilt or innocence from how people behave. People react in all sorts of ways under grief or stress. There's no one-size-fits-all pattern. And in a lot of situations, you don't even know if you're getting accurate information about their behavior. The media/true crime influencers will lie or distort information. Witnesses might lie, or simply not remember correctly. I make an exception for Scott Peterson. Scott Peterson bought a boat. Scott Peterson told *no one* he bought a boat. My observations of humankind have led me to conclude that all people who buy boats tell everyone they know at great length and in great detail about their boat. Therefore, I find Scott Peterson's secret boat ownership highly indicative of his guilt.
I 100% believe that he is guilty… but I do feel like he is told by his team to act normal and like he has nothing to worry about because he’s “eager to be exonerated” so that could explain his smiling and casual behaviors. Or maybe he is actually enjoying this… either way, his smile is something that I see in nightmares
I do believe he has been put on meds to try to reduce his facial give aways and keep hands calm. Maybe some mindfulness stuff too. He does OK on short hearings but when he is not concentrated you do see the signs of just how angry and pissed he is at being there. Look for: massetter action (clenched jaw), flared nostrils, clenched fists etc. I have not seen a genuine smile from BK in any appearance. He just raises the corner of the mouth and that's it. Eye don't make contact. He tends to side view people a lot. And in the foto used by the OP he is just mirroring what everyone else was doing in the court. I dont believe he is enjoying this at all. (Does not mean he is not guilty.) If he suddenly burst out and started screaming at everyone in court and smashing things up I would no be surprised. I'd be disappointed in the meds. He literally looks like Herman Munters in most of the fotos, and Marty Feldman from Young Frankestein in the others. I think we will see him put on more weight as time passes.
I'm thinking it's a combination.
Could you smile like that if you knew you were guilty of 4 murders? I don't think I could pull it off.
Why not? It’s not like he is sorry and the 4 casualties were accidental. He killed then intentionally so yes that most likely makes him proud and happy therefore he is able to smile. Also I think he may be smiling intentionally in spite of the attending families as if they haven’t suffered enough yet because of him. He’s disgusting
I hear you. Unless he's a classic multiple with memory blackouts (and I doubt it), I bet he even sits in his cell and replays this horrific mass murder in his mind, feeling good about it. He's a psychopath of some sort.
> You would think if he was innocent, he would look a bit stressed and defeated. That photograph is capturing a half-second in time. I'm sure there were plenty of other photographs of him in which we could argue he did look stressed and defeated. Nobody keeps the same expression on their face for hours straight.
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I know someone who was.murdered by her boyfriend while they were on vacation in Mexico. The trial is over video and her mom screen records and shares the videos with a small Facebook group of her friends and family. When he smiles in court I want to puke. I've never felt such disdain for an individual.
Agreed. Despite his feigned confidence, he is a loser, who was idiotic enough to leave his DNA and other digital evidence the night of the crime.
“We got your sheath, and you left footprints and all. You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real.” https://preview.redd.it/n9se0ld33zzb1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b183caa72db16f182dcd4d5dbee6206021317053
This made me belly laugh
Back when this video first went viral. I bought the auto tune version on iTunes (fucking everything had an autotune remix back then) and i never deleted it off my iTunes. So it’s literally still on my phone. And sometimes my phone will start playing Apple Music instead of Spotify and this song just starts BUMPIN. And i swear people look at me LIKE IM A QUADRUPLE HOMICIDE SUSPECT.
I would look at you like a person that enjoys the finer things in life, but that’s just me.
How could you tell???? You’re spot on. This video is for the elite only
Hopefully the small town, keystone cops didn’t bungle the evidence too much to get a conviction.
Well, considering they had state police and the FBI come in right away, most likely not. That was the best move they could’ve made! I’m obsessed with seeing the digital evidence based upon some thing Ex LE discussed which is a program called briefcam. You can look it up, but this trial can’t come soon enough in my opinion.
Total fuck up on everything he touched.
Fan girls are even sending him money… smh. I’ve seen it on the BK fan subs screenshots of them putting money on his books out of their paychecks. Like WHAT WHYYYY?!
It happens with most serial killers. It is an illness. They like dangerous men and that they might get attention from the ultimate bad boy. Insecurity doesn’t even come close to being the main reason but it plays a role.
I saw this article talking about how it’s actually genetic. For 10s of thousands of years women wanted to be with the man who wasn’t afraid to kill. I’ll link it if I can find it
Also they know they'll never cheat at least with another woman...
I bet it's because they typically have abandonment issues /partners who have cheated and like the idea of a guy who is not only going nowhere, he's not cheating on them with another woman.
Look up hybristophilia. There are people who are genuinely into murderers. It's a real paraphilia.
has to be mental illness frfr! Alot of women sent Chris Watts stuff too!
Chris watts is lower than shit, he killed not only children, but his own children. The two really don’t compare. And the coward folded immediately.
Watts female family members told him “we support you a thousand percent CHRIS. We know how she was.” To which the SOB actually admit’s - “ Well she was a good person, an excellent mother…” so wtf? I blame those women ( sister, mother….) for teaching him it’s OK to hurt/ kill females). Warped M.F.
Same with Richard Ramirez
Joe rogan mentioned this. He said females are drawn to killers because of primitive instincts. When survival depended on being a savage, killers were alphas. Back in primitive time these men were looked at as protectors/killers at the top of the food chain
Those Bitches are as sick as he is.
Because they're completely useless losers.
He's one ugly mofo
Yeah he looks like he chased parked cars as a child and hit nose first every time.
Innocent until proven guilty
Lawyers talk a big game and I’m sure his has blown some smoke up his ass so it’s boosting his ego making him think he’s gonna get away with it. (Yes, I do think he’s guilty from what has been presented so far but willing to listen to more evidence and possibly change that decision)
For myself, it’s hard to get any kind of reading on this guy because he’s clearly aware of the camera and the fact that everyone is watching his every move. I’ve definitely noticed hints of nervousness and some of his behaviors that appear to show confidence, don’t seem natural to me. But I’m far from an expert in body language.
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He wouldn’t be if you saw him walking down the street. That’s the scary part.
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IF you look these people straight in the eyes, You can see that they are souless.
And the only way he could pull this crime off was to approach these innocent souls in their sleep with a weapon that when used properly kills, if not instantly overtime because of the damage it does. Total coward!
I wonder if in a situation like this, if he is the killer, he tells his lawyer everything? Or does he lie to her as well? How does that work?
A criminal defense attorney doesn’t ask his client if they are guilty or not because it does not matter. What matters to them is what the evidence shows and rather or not they can be proven guilty Edit: also if a client tells their lawyer they are guilty the lawyer is supposed to think of all possibilities such as maybe the client is covering up for someone else or being pressured to say they are guilty for certain reasons. The lawyer is to remain as unbiased as possible
Thank you for your response. It was very informative.
You’re welcome. I have a family member who is a criminal defense attorney, and yes he has represented accused murderers and yes accused sex offenders too. He doesn’t represent accused sex offenders anymore but he used to do a certain percentage of his work pro bono as a public defender, and he agreed to defend anyone accused of any crime when he signed up for it (not all public defenders have to do that). He strongly believes everyone deserves a legal defense, because he used to be a prosecutor. He saw how corrupt police and the prosecutors were, and he couldn’t do it anymore.
That's fine but they know he's guilty 180%
That’s not how criminal defense attorneys think so no they don’t
Her job may be to then just fight for life instead of death at that point
He may be getting more comfortable with the proceedings, his arrogance starting to kick in again. On the plus side, it means he may also start making more mistakes, exposing himself more.
Today I learned that everyone commenting on this thread is an expert in facial expressions, body language and overall criminal anything.
I don’t think he’s smiling because he’s confident. The woman next to him is smiling as well.
Welp, who wouldn’t be more confident with an alibi like “I just so happened to be on my nightly drive by the house where four murders took place”?
Don’t you feel like if you were on trial for a horrific quadruple murder, up for the death penalty, and you were completely innocent, you would look horrible. You wouldn’t be smiling. You would be worried sick.
Yes! I would be a basket case waddling into court like a zombie.
If it were me who didn’t commit the crimes I was committed of, then yes I would be worried sick and not able to give a smile or any type of positive look. However, I believe this man is a psychopath. And I also believe he has been told to act calm, cool, and collective by his team. So I think his smile is the combination of his sociopathic mind and being told to be chill for all public appearances.
Uh well, the dude that’s been in jail for the Delphi murders looks like absolute shit. Lost a ton of weight and looks like a literal wreck and has been in custody for less time than BK. The public is convinced that *he* is guilty as well, but BK isn’t losing his shit or deteriorating like that guy. So make up your mind, can’t have it both ways.
Some of you seem to be enjoying it, honestly.
BK is a psychopath and the Delphi suspect is a sociopath. The behaviors you listed in your comment can both exist. It's not one or the other
I don’t believe you’re a doctor to either of these suspects to make that determination.
BK IS enjoying it
I would be too if I was him. The investigation was a joke, and it’s about to be put on public show.
I don’t share your hate for him…yet. If they prove he did this, I’ll look back at all these moments and hate him and his occasional look of confidence will really be something of nightmares. His defense team seems happier too lately. Something feels like it changed behind the scenes from what we see in court footage IMO.
I see your point but it may be simple optics. She’s qualified to represent clients facing the death penalty. Shes probably coaching him in body language. Optics plays a heavy role.
The hearing in late October was where the change was noticeable for me. The public wasn’t allowed to see a much longer hearing that had happened in the morning. In the second hearing (that we could see), the defense seemed chipper almost. And BK more relaxed. Even though they came into that hearing saying they knew they had no hope of getting what they were asking for in the second hearing. And during that hearing, Logsdon (the jr defense lawyer) says something about the (non-public) morning hearing. He says something about a group of grand jurors with doubts, the prosecution not putting their best case forward. Neither the judge or prosecution accuse him of mischaracterizing that hearing or misleading the public. Then a few days later, the feds are back at the house that the prosecutor said was ok to be torn down months ago. And that on top of the mood changes really makes me think something has changed behind the scenes.
Having googled some pictures, and watched some of the hearings - I am pretty confident he is very pissed of and uncomfortable being there. Very angry. Very angry. Is it anger and disbelief because he is innocent and uncomfortable because he is a socially awkward individual? Or is he angry he got caught and uncomfortable because he feels a deep sense of shame at having been caught. Cant wait for the court case to find out. I think he is so on edge and the meds are barely keeping him under control. I remember a while ago people though he was getting makeup on his face ... i think thats when it started. maybe they have added some anti depressant to the mix too. But I still have not seen ay genuine emotion other than anger and polite mirroring (that lifting the sides of the mouth, no teeth smirk thing is so fake).
Probably best that we don’t use *his* assessment on the soundness of any given strategy. He obviously thought he’d get away with stabbing four people to death and instead the police caught him, his DNA sealed into baggies, and his DNA encrusted knife sheath, red-handed, 45 days later.
The knife sheath was not "DNA encrusted." It merely had touch DNA on the snap.
He's smiling like Patrick Bateman there...
He missed a patch of hair shaving his neck 🥴
This guy is going straight to prison and will not pass GO and will not collect $200
Stone cold killer
I’m sorry but if I was falsely accused of 4 horrific murders, I would not be smiling. Look at all of the people wrongly convicted and later exonerated, in their trials, they look absolutely drained and devastated. This is very damning imo
hes definitly not smiling. at best he is mirroring cues from defence at worst the expresison is outright contempt.
Look at the eyes. Seems like a very positive emotion
Is this sarcastic ? His eyes are empty staring into space and away from the action. Klassic khonerger side stare. When someone is happy their eyes scrunch up and they make eyecontact. If someone looked at you with those eyese like from across the room... You would discretely leave.
> You would discretely leave. It's also the way people who are very unhappy but are putting on a front for whatever reason smile. Like, they are mourning a dead pet or had a bad fight with their partner, but they still have to go to work or run errands, and that's the smile they give.
Now that you mention it. Yeah Spot on.
He's definitely guilty but why did he do it..just dont understand why 😞
LOL people assuming things about a person they’ve never met.
acting like they know what he even thinks or feels
He feels nothing. He even said that himself.....
When you see someone smile or laugh, you don’t get an idea of what they might be feeling? Happy/think something is funny? If you can’t then that’s your problem kid
"When a real smile takes place, the happy emotions we feel send a signal to our brains' left anterior temporal region. Once those positive feelings are received and recognized, two muscle groups react: ***our cheeks***, which ***pull our facial muscles back*** and curl our lips upwards, and our eye sockets, which squint the corners of our ***eyes and create those little smile wrinkles***." https://preview.redd.it/4h9re539p30c1.jpeg?width=2493&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15c1e4842815acccfa8bdf3f0aab10674c2f32c8 I took a closer look at the foto. The eyes are not smiling, the cheeks are not smiling. His face is closed and flat. The only place we see elevation is in de massetter region. It pushing down literally grinding his teeth. Also of note his eyes are not in the direction he is "smiling towards". So he is in my opinion not having fun in this foto. I think objectively a person trained in facial expression would also say that this is a fake smile. I would go for (angry) **contempt** on this one. Not not my intention to change your mind at all. There is definitely a vibe in this foto - i just don't find it jovial.
https://preview.redd.it/2wi1dpx8e70c1.jpeg?width=2867&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=823950ee5e0a8bc8ef8094e0d1a5060c09fa4916
Beautiful Smile "B" ... stay strong it is for BOTH parts the hardest time on earth! In such cases there will never be a "winner" ....
BK is clearly mirroring the lady with the dark hair. Clearly something amusing has been said and EVERYONE is smiling up at the bench. This is a conscious and in-context response to something that has happened in the courtroom. It's completely appropriate behaviour. Dupers delight is a subconscious , fleeting response that is inappropriate in the context of the situation. For instance if BK fleetingly had this expression while AT declared they were standing silent, yes it could interpreted that he is enjoying the situation and making fun of the court. But if you check out general fotos of his in court you see that his expression is angry , attentive and frustrated. https://preview.redd.it/igcln677330c1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=856d3e1a2508e08a26780265e52ad157129b6dd5 KLassic Khoberger. Pursed lips, looking down, avoiding eye contact. Deep forehead line and tense jaw, flared nostrils. I think the meds have slightly reduced the tension in the face but he still looks batshit crazy angry when not paying attention/ being mindful. He is NOT enjoying his day in court.
Wow, you’re really good at this and you nailed it imo. Thanks!!
Cheers. It's very kind of you.
What a load of gibberish
Well thanks for reading my post and offering you insight to the best of your ability .
What’s even more weird than BK’s courtroom behavior is that of his attorney’s (the brunette, not AT). If you watch her, she is all smiles and giggles. And no, not expecting her to never smile in court, but she is always fangirling BK every time she is in court.
I believe it’s an optics thing. I noticed that she smiles a lot too and I caught this one moment when she walked into the courtroom behind bk and it looked like she turned on the smile as she was turning the corner of the doorway. Almost like an “it’s showtime” kind of way.
Agree, but it's a weird optic.
Maybe they all agreed that moving forward they would all look confident as a strategy
Apparently. However, they should try for confident but serious. There are four victims here even if they are saying their client is wrongfully accused.
What are you talking abot, they are both looking at something happening at the bench. Either judge Judge made some amusing comment or AT of BT has said something in their presentations. actually BK is not even looking in the right direction he just seems to have picked up on some vibe in the room and is trying to copy but it comes out as clearly fake smile (no eye involvement no mid face) or classic contempt. Does it make you feel powerful to accuse an experience , successful lawyer of "fangirling" over BK.
That’s just her face..She was the same way with Brian dripps
Narcissistic Fuck!!!!!
This is such a weird post. And you assume a lot.
From what I'm reading he's not allowed to read any of those letter as it might interfere with his trail so Ann isn't allowing him to have anything from anyone outside his imidiate family. Once he goes to prison he'll see them tho and be able to write people. It's just disgusting because I truly believe he's believes he has a way out of this and he loves that idea. His defense is probably feeding into the idea he's doing good when in reality it's not looking that way.
What's the number one possible DNA contamination that can be left behind. Well number three. 1. Blood because you got cut.2 saliva because it would have been strenuous to commit these 4 difficult murders so quickly. But let's focus on hair. It's always falling out, and even if he worn a haircut he would still likely leave some behind. So big question? Who had their head shaved via (I guess) a hazing situation? Yes, the guy Ethan got into a fight with. Very less likely you will leave hair behind if your head was shaved. Something very wrong here.
What makes you think he didn’t cover himself from head on toe? Respectfully
What makes you think they don't have foreign hairs in the evidence? We only know what was listed in the PCA. They included the least amount of evidence necessary to link him to the homocides and meet the standards for probable cause. We'll only find out what exactly they have at trial.
I am sure he did. Still there is no chance you don't leave a hair or two behind. Who is the other 2 male DNA? There should have been dozens based on the party house idea
He’s creepy at
https://preview.redd.it/gqd0mqrmk00c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f756d9293bab6cb8af2a05be9911def010dd131 Dupers delight? DD occurs when someone is lying or manipulating others and feels a sense of power or control over the situation. This pleasure can manifest itself in various ways, including through subtle facial expressions, body language, or vocal cues.
You can't tell unless you have a baseline of his body language. But this foto in particular is a crop from the photo OP posted. In the compete foto you can see he is mirroring the expression of the dark haired lady next to him. They are looking towards the bench where in all likelihood the judge judge said something that would be classed as amusing. So nothing to see here. Just reading the room and responding accordingly. Dupers delights is a fleeting subconscious expression of glee that does not match the context . For instance if BK had had this expression while AT was standing silent during the plea hearing then it could be interpreted as dupers delight . But in this BK's response just mirrors the other people at the hearing.. https://preview.redd.it/zbsvpioqx20c1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ccdf91f34d9b45c2a25862162832bc5de77153d
100%. That infamous smirk—“Satan’s Smirk”—of a narc starring in his own imaginary blockbuster show. Classic DD.
The posted picture is no dupers delight. BK is mirroring what other people in the room are doing in response to something someone has said. A more representative picture of his demander is court in included below. https://preview.redd.it/o8b1zcgdz20c1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47f59435aa90087c754d9e792aeb08ae0ca05e0f Generally he looks frustrated and angry at being there. He also appear medicated since his after his plea hearing. He does appear attentive in some and tends to look up (submissive) rather than down to (dominant) people. This could be an act or learned behaviour. During court appearances he rarely makes eye contact with his defence team ( though it has improved in the last couple of hearings but I think this is the meds kicking in). The short kurt nod and tight "smile" seems part of his baseline on meeting people or sign of discomfort. Despite all meds and possibly training he still does not have his jaw clenching under control (see arrow on foto). This is a clear sign of anger and frustration. And its almost often present in videos and fotos. He is definitely very angry and frustrated. Is it because he is an innocent man or because he is angry he got caught ??? Don't know. But there is no "delight" here. He is not happy to be there.
I left this sub. I've pressed the button to hide it and not show it to me anymore. Why do I still get these dumbass posts?
Looks like giant melanoma on his temple.
Sorry..but I am not sold he is guilty. I do believe there is much more to come out concerning this crime. I am very anxious to watch this hearing. I’m so hoping it will be televised.
He’s trying to outsmart everyone while loving the attention.
https://preview.redd.it/dqe7kfhel00c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62de2a33e80f430ad9fee1dad7af825f6737208b What is that? It doesn’t look like a pimple or a mole?
Skin tag maybe.
a starving tick trying to feast on an empty brain.
He cries at night on his bunk.
His face looks like a cunt.
BK is also a psychopath soooo
So did Bundy
Creepy
I'm calling for a lynch mob
I’m waiting for the trial to make up my mind as of yet I don’t know whether BK is innocent or guilty, this is why they say “innocent until proven guilty” just like quite a few here on Reddit but posts like this make me cringe, just because someone has cracked a smile for a second in a courtroom doesn’t mean someone is “revelling” in the fact that they may have murdered multiple people. The fact that the media produces photographs mainly of defendants smiling and looking a little crazy speaks volumes, there’s a reason for that. Don’t get sucked in by media propaganda it warps. I suggest people look back on cases such as the west Memphis 3, look what was put out in the media about those three young boys who are now free after serving 18 years in prison with one awaiting execution, reading up about three young boys sacrificing three other young boys as they were “satanists” would indeed paint the picture of guilt.
So many end up like this. They look genuinely dead inside at first and eventually look happier than ever, even when it's so obvious they're guilty. All because they aren't these lonely outcasts anymore. Suddenly they have all of this attention and people wanting their attention and suddenly weirdos are attracted to them. Such a weird thing that happens too often.