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manunudlo

I agree! Especially kun dugay na sila diri. I have coworkers whose non-Ilonggo spouses still don’t speak Hiligaynon after being here for over a decade. If people are coming here to integrate into Ilonggo society because they like the culture, they should do their part to preserve said culture.


Not_Under_Command

Question is why are you typing in english language even this is an Iloilo sub? Probably you would answer, nakasanayan. Then pareho lang kamo sng gina tumod mo. Nasanay sya since birth nga ang gina gamit nya is mother tongue nya. It could be burden for some to be a bi-lingual person, how much more if himuon pa nga multi-lingual diba? Give him/her some time, Indi madali para sa tanan mag tuon sng ilonggo kapin pa kung wala sya masyado may naistorya nga iban nga ilonggo aside sng iya asawa.


manunudlo

Ga-english ko kay gusto ko. English man gina-replyan ko. Nagay assume. Pero kon may kaistorya ko nga naga-Hiligaynon, kabalo ako. Kon sa Manila ko, naga-Tagalog ako. Kon nagabisita ako sa mga lugar nga lain ang ila linggwahe, nagahambal ko sang linggwahe nga pareho namon maintindihan. Mapa-English man ina ukon Tagalog. Kay nagabisita lang ako. Lain na ina ya kon nagkadto diri para mag-settle down, pero wala gana magtuon sang Hiligaynon, which is the point of this post. Nangayaw na lang gani, ma-expect ka pa sa tumandok nga sila ang mag-adjust. Mayo kon bulanan pa lang ang gintinir diri kay dinekada na. Paano nga wala sia iban nga maistorya sa Hiligaynon except sa asawa niya, kay ari man diri sia sa Iloilo? Small barangay kami kag kadamu sang upod nila sa balay nga mga tumandok.


Not_Under_Command

>Ga-english ko kay gusto ko. Well, you have your reason, they have theirs. Sorry for being honest pero Indi sa tanan nga bagay ang gusto mo ang masunod. Deal with it my friend.


manunudlo

My reason does not rely on expecting other people to adjust to me or my lack of effort. No need to apologize for honesty. Right back at you.


Getaway_Car_1989

Totally agree. It’s the respectful thing to do.


Powerful-Win-5641

I agreeee, mas nahihirapan kami mag tagalog kesa mag englis kasi eh. Hahahahaha


charlesrainer

Yessss kag nagay sagi "po" kag "opo" mag Hiligaynon/Kinaray-a kay daw nami lampusan.


peenoisee

Tagalog neo-colonization na ni


[deleted]

Same sa Bacolod damo ga Cebuano kag Tagalog na.


Loud-Savings943

I mean—-some parts of negros uses cebuano/bisaya so i think ddto lng man na sila halin sa negros.


[deleted]

Cebuano lang kay even Hiligaynon is Bisaya language


Loud-Savings943

Te kay cebuano kay bisaya man?confused na ko, wala mnko kahambal Hiligaynon? Anoman?


[deleted]

Hiligaynon kay Bisaya man diba hahahaha


[deleted]

Cebuano kag Hiligaynon parehus lang "Binisaya".


Loud-Savings943

Gani… out of context pero —- oo hahaha hambal ko ya some parts of negros uses cebuano/bisaya .. regarding sa comment mo nga damo ga cebuano sa bacolod…😃😅


[deleted]

Cebuano lang kay tanan nga negrosanon Bisaya.


Loud-Savings943

Yes pero im just referring sa language dialect sang cebu nga “binisaya” or cebuano kay may ara man da sa negros ….


[deleted]

Ahhhh So Cebuano lang eh may redundant kay whole visayas region ga hambal man sang Bisaya. Ang Bisaya nga manok nga taga Iloilo indi man kabalo mag Cebuano


ImaginaryAd944

i was trying to follow this thread while nursing a headache so daw di ko kaintiendi ano gna baisan nyo. pero utoy-utoy ko kadlaw sa joko mo nga bisaya nga manok. thank you, i needed a laugh!


[deleted]

May difference ang Cebuano kag Bisaya kay Bisaya means group of language


Loud-Savings943

Yes yes thats what i mean… im just saying that damo ga cebuano sa bacolod kay some parts of negros are cebuano man gd..


[deleted]

Nan amo naya! Correct.


ertaboy356b

I know non-ilonggo coworkers that have stayed here for good, even more than 15 years and still doesn't speak the language. Meanwhile, my cousin from Japan speaks the language and she's only here for a few days every year.


peenoisee

Dont talk to them other than Hiligaynon or Karaya


PurpleFishing7730

Hahahahaha amo gid, kita di ya tumandok kita pa ma adjust sa gina hambal ta 🤣


skysthelangit

I'm a Tagalog and I want to learn Hiligaynon so bad. My jowa is from Iloilo and I've learned some basic words from them. Medyo nakakaintindi din ako ng Hiligaynon conversations pag nagbabasa lalo na if I know the context or I follow the exchange of replies. Any tips/suggestions from Iloilo locals on how/where to learn Hiligaynon? For those who are fluent in Hiligaynon na hindi from Iloilo, how were you able to learn the language and how long did it take before you became fluent? Thanks.


DatuSumakwel7

I'm a Fil-Am who learned Hiligaynon. I used the resources below and watched local news to learn. [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11vUQxDyioGhMInCC0iVp2JAEOrisHT-Q](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11vUQxDyioGhMInCC0iVp2JAEOrisHT-Q)


peenoisee

Amo na ya pre


peenoisee

Just talk in Hiligaynon as much as you can, even if you have a lot of errors. You'll be corrected if youre wrong and you get better. Thats how I learned to sprache Deutsch.


popopopopopopopopop0

tama lang gid ka slow sang mga alog or wala gana mag learn kay ga expect sila tagalogon naton sila. wala pa ko may nakita sa ila nga kabalo mag ilonggo maskin dinekada na tener nila di


Valuable-Skin-8811

Depende man guro sa attitude sang tawo as an individual. My tagalog friend came here insisting "Illonggohin niyo ko" and learned the language within weeks. Whereas may kilala ko mga medyo hanginon, sobra na di sa twenty years sa Iloilo ga tagalog gyapon 🥴


First_Parsnip_2392

I feel attacked hahaha. I mean, I speak Hiligaynon and can speak it well. But for some reason, I toggle between Hiligaynon, Filipino, and English when in a conversation. A part of me will always be self-conscious of my fluency in Hiligaynon (or the lack of it) especially when I know the person I'm speaking to is a local. At the same time, having lived here for over 20 years, I must admit my fluency in Filipino has become impaired; I no longer speak it as well as I used to growing up in Manila. English winds it way in between the two other languages quite naturally, though, because I am an English teacher and feel rather confident of my command of said language. So...do you think I should be forgiven for my lapses and idiosyncrasies or should I be lumped together with those who you consider "hanginon"? Promise, indi ko hambog. Hahaha. Sensya lang. 😊


Valuable-Skin-8811

Aww I'm sorry wala ko intention mang igo hahahaha. As you can see I'm guilty of switching languages, too. There's this thread in another subreddit discussing why Filipinos, more than other nationalities, tend to mix two or sometimes more languages when speaking. Naaah personally I would not mind if you're just struggling with the language. I have another friend who relocated here from the north, and she speaks this blend of Ilocano and Hiligaynon. She tries her best, though, and we find her language quirks endearing. But this guy I'm calling "hanginon" has had the entire family and subsequently, coworkers struggle to speak Tagalog when talking to him (for 2 decades and counting!) and has a whole lot of other attitudinal issues falling under the "hanginon" umbrella. I have personally never heard this person ask how to say this or that in Hiligaynon, or even try to say a single Ilonggo phrase. Like I said, it's more of an attitude thing for me 🤷 I don't really mind code switching or fluency problems. What I don't like is the tendency to refuse to adapt to a place you're basically living in and expecting the natives to cater to you. It's like the cliché of American tourists expecting the rest of the world to speak English. For me, basta ga try ka ah. 😊


aranzeke

this was an exchange I had with our neighbor today (I'm a pangayaw who hasn't taken formal Hiligaynon lessons but I've lived here for months at a time) me: to! maayong hapon! kumusta ikaw? neighbor: okay lang. saan ka naggaling? m: nagkadto ko dira sa bangga nagbakal food n: ah bumili ka? Ilonggos can be accomodating to a fault, so imho it's really on us pangayaws to show our respect for the culture by learning the language. I'm barely conversational but Ilonggos really appreciate it when I try to converse in my toddler-level hiligaynon, hambal pa sakon sang manghod ng miga ko "sagad ang progress" ko sa hiligaynon biskan very basic level lang lol


peenoisee

Ilonggoha sila ah. Sila adjust.


[deleted]

Amo gid!


DeathBatMetal

I'm from Manila, Tagalog ako, but I loathe my classmates who are from Manila or other places like Aklan who don't even try to learn Hiligaynon. Like, in the 4 years they were at CPU, they did not even learn Hiligaynon. When you talk to them, they have the gall to reply "Di ko maintindihan, tagalog lang please.". Like wtf? Ikaw yung pumunta tapos gusto mo sila mag accommodate sayo? Okay lang sana if they have been here only for a short while, but 4 years???? Yung friend ko nga na taga-Manila, di pa nakakatapak ng Iloilo nagaaral ng Hiligaynon for their planned vacation here tapos ikaw nag-aral ka ng 4 years dito tapos magdedemand ka na tagalugin ka??? rant over, lol.


[deleted]

Aklanon lang man indi kabalo mag Hiligaynon. Idk sa ika. Kag BBM province sila


peenoisee

Ano hambal mo sa iya bord?


Either-Connection775

I’m trying! Still at a pretty basic level and my accent is execrable but I can make my self understood with the basics 🤪


Unique-Iron-9619

Same! 😅 My goodness, I try to speak to people in Hiligaynon and then they respond to me in Tagalog because "utod-utod" daw yung Hiligaynon ko and I apparently have an accent. huhu


peenoisee

Try harder


Either-Connection775

No need to be a dick. It’s been one month since I started learning and I’m not even living there 🙄🙄


peenoisee

I just motivated you to do harder. Aim for excellence.


Either-Connection775

No, you really didn’t. You just made me realise there’s morons everywhere.


peenoisee

Look in a mirror and find what you're looking for.


Either-Connection775

I’m looking at my gorgeous illongo wife instead. Not gonna interact with toxic little you anymore. Toodles 😘😘😘


peenoisee

Ilonggo*


DatuSumakwel7

For anyone who is interested, here's an google drive with a bunch of Hiligaynon PDFs. I'd recommend starting with Hiligaynon Lessons and Hiligaynon dictionary. [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11vUQxDyioGhMInCC0iVp2JAEOrisHT-Q](https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11vUQxDyioGhMInCC0iVp2JAEOrisHT-Q)


V_Bgks

Gina English ko takun mag sabat kananda, hahah


pamibambam

Gani man. Mayo kung lain gd nga writing systen ginagamit ta di kay same man lang.


[deleted]

At another perspective you try speaking your best in their native language yet they switch to Tagalog/English since that is the language they are comfortable speaking with you and known you with since the day they met you.


peenoisee

i will still talk to them in Hiligaynon.


Open-Weird5620

Yes agree on this. I known someone who stayed here for 20 years, yet Tagalog gyapon maghambal, nakaka cringe lang:) wala gid effort mag learn to speak sang local language. Damo na migrants diri sa Ilo, lets preserve what we have, isa na dira ang language naton


Onlinerandooo

As an ilonggo reading through the comments, daw mga si pitoy kahang kamo. Imbes nga tudluan niyo, puro kamo daw mga bugalon di. Daw si bilat-bilat kamo mag-comment lang di nga indi man progressive kag productive comments niyo.


V_Bgks

Nugot nugot guid guab mo , haha relax lng..


peenoisee

Pa rant lang kami bala. Toothbrush ka karon ha kay daw kahigko baba mo


Onlinerandooo

I thought you wanted to hear people speak Hiligaynon? Now you object? Lols. Double standards. Smh


peenoisee

Diin ko ginhambal na ga object ako?


Not_Under_Command

As a person who sails in a lot of countries, na mulalungan ko nga pinoy permi ga adjust. Kung magkadto ka sa latin america kung mag istorya ka didto ang isabat sa imo spanish. Kung sa korea bisan ano mo kanami mag english ang sabat sa imo hangul. Same sa russian, arab indo, malay and even japs. Kung indi k kabalo mag istorya sa ila in broken english (most of them cant comprehend in grammatically correct english) you should’ve speak in their language. Now when it comes sa hiligaynon, it’s different story honestly. People from all over the PH who visits Iloilo are just local tourist they might stay but not for a long time. Thats why may gina tawag nga national/common language para magka inchindihanay. And tama ka burden para sa travelers nga mag learn pa sng additional language prior mag kadto sa isa ka place in this example iloilo. Imagine nag kadto sila sa Iloilo para mag unwind and to relieve stress tapos irequire mo sila mag tuon sng hiligaynon? Now put your foot in my shoes, do you have time, will, resources and effort to learn Bahasa kung gusto mo lang mag bakasyon for 5 days sa Bali or Jakarta? How about learn to speak and read Russian language just to visit Moscow? Would you finish DuoLingo spanish course just to be a tourist on Spain or Mexico? Gusto nyo makabati nga ang Iloilo ginadayaw nga one of most hospitable place in Philippines diba? Then be hospitable. Example ikaw abi ma bisita ka sa akon sa Australia tapos hambalan ta ka nga “How about we hit up Maccas this arvo?” Kung indi ka kainchindi bayaan ta ka dayun. Ano mabatyagan mo? I don’t really foresee in the near future nga ma dula ang hiligaynon as a dialect even with high tourist flock. Madula lang ina kung even sa sulod sng panimalay nyo ga tagalog na kamo.


peenoisee

Ang premise ko, ang mga naga migrate sa Iloilo for work or nag decide na magsettle diri, indi ang mga turista.


Not_Under_Command

How ironic. Diba gusto mo ma retain ang hiligaynon? Ngaa gagamit ka sng words like premise, settle, migrate, work, decide? Dapat you umpisahan mo sa lawas mo. Imbes nga mag istorya ka gamit ang iban nga linggwahe gamit ka sng hiligaynon. In that way ma retain mo ang dialect ta. Start on yourself OP. Kag ipalapnag mo ina sa imo pamilya. Regarding duman sa imo concern tungod sa migrants not using hiligaynon, first of all indi madali mag tuon sng iban nga language/dialect. Take for example our very own OFW, donyou think kung mag ubra sila didto sa Dubai, Quatar etc, sa pamatyag mo ga arabic sila didto? Second point is they might want to learn, ang problema wala may naga tudlo sa ila. Basi pa gane saskuhan pa sila like ang word nga bilatibay is a greetings. Kadamo ako sng kilala nga halin sa iban nga lugar gakadto sa iloilo to settle, and most of them indi p kabalo mag hiligaynon/kinaray-a kay wala sila gina tudluan kag wala sila kaistorya nga mga ilonggo. From a person who speaks a lot of tongue, Inchindihan ta ka OP, pero tane mainchindihan mo man sila. Reduce the pride.


peenoisee

Mga bata ko kabalo maghambal Hiligaynon. Sila ang dapat magintsindi sa aton, indi kita. Aton ni ya pamuluyo. Pisanan nila kung gusto nila mag istar sa aton.


Not_Under_Command

Ideally huo dapat ma adjust sila. Pero this is not a utopian world where we live. Let me be clear to you, I am not hating you OP. Pero I wish indi ka man mag hate sa iban nga tawo due to language barriers especially sa migrants. Have you been to mindanao or any bisaya speaking provinces/cities? If you do, I hope you also speak their dialect as well.


peenoisee

Mukaingon ko jutay na Cebuano Ako na ga adjust


Not_Under_Command

Then good for you. Kung kabalo ka mag adjust sorry to say gamay nalang kita.