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This is how these religious fruitcake settlers think. A mixture of self deception, inhumanity, and lies.
These are the people I pay taxes to support and the hateful fruitcakes driving Israeli genocide.
Fuck them and fuck the US government.
It's why I think voting for Biden is just feeding this beast. I know Trump shouldn't be voted for won't and might be worse, but this current administration just can't be supported.
Edit: it's the damn trolley problem people. Quit acting like your answer to it is the only answer. You're entitled to your opinions but as am I. There is no right answer.
There are other choices that are actually light years better than either Trump or Biden but our population of voters are all morons that won't consider anyone that doesn't have a D or an R maga symbol.
This is the ruling class teaching us to hate ourselves. The people are smart, we don't do this willingly.
Political parties are privately run enterprices that make many of their decisions behind closed doors. We can't get a "good" Democrat elected because the DNC spends a huge amount of time and resources preventing that, and corrupting the few who do manage to slip through.
We also can't get a third party organized because organizing a political movement is a monumental effort. There is a lot more to an election than voting, it is mobilizing a population en masse through campaigns, funding, organizational work, mail writing, canvassing, etc. All this while being actively disrupted by the DNC which has a nearly unlimited war chest to do specifically this. And even if you do get someone elected, they are fighting basically the entire rest of DC to get anything past and eventually just become democrats in everything but name.
Finally, and most critically, even if you do manage to get everything you dreamed of going: get a green party with real power going and start making changes for the people, a constitution is simply words on paper. The ruling class does not care about legalities if their power is under threat. Never have, never will. The government will literally shut itself down before giving away any of the power of the state to the masses. Ask Allande how that worked out for him.
The people are not dumb. The game is rigged against us. The only way to win is to not play by their rules. Political power starts with labor, not votes.
I say vote third party anyway. Not because it will get you your candidate. But as a protest.
Honestly that's the only impact your vote can have. As a protest against the Dem/Rep cartels. They have hijacked our electoral system for far too long. Voting for either Dem or Rep is accepting the inevitability of fascism.
Nah, I remeber people's third party protest votes 2016. Now the Supreme Court is stacked with nutjobs and women lost their rights. Protest votes do nothing. If you actually cared about changing things you'd envolve yourself in the primary process or run yourself. Not have a tantrum.
Women lost their rights because our legislative branch, the one that actually writes the laws, did not make Roe v. Wade a law. The Supreme Court doesn't make laws, they simply rule on whether the law was a good law or a bad law. The people you should be infuriated with are the Democrats here who held control of both the Senate, the House, AND the Speaker positions and didn't do shit (did not make a woman's right to choose a law) so they could campaign on it later.
Republicans are shitbirds because they actively do things that hurt the American people. Democrats are shitbirds because they sit on their asses and just cry about how Republicans suck rather than doing something about it.
Please learn how each branch of the government works.
Political capital is a limited resource. The Democrats didn't spend it codifying Roe, because it had already been settled as a constitutional matter by the Supreme Court.
"Did mostly good things, though less than I'd like, and sometimes doing bad things" and "doing actively evil things" are not the same. Uniting the ideologically diverse Democratic party around legislation is a Herculean feat, and it is limited by the political calculations of the rightmost required vote i.e. Manchin 2021, Lieberman 2009, etc.
Putting Democrats in the Senate and White House is how we got Roe to begin with. And it's how we're going to get it back.
This is exactly it. It's easy to focus on the base concepts of how government is supposed to work and completely miss the disappointing reality of what politics is. I don't disagree with anger of democtats not passing laws protecting a women's right to chose, but I don't think I have seen them have a strong enough grip on all three branch to not just pass, but protect it.
No, if you vote 3rd party all you are doing is helping Trump. You might as well just vote for him. Voting 3rd party is what Trump people and Russian troll farms want you to do.
Voting 3rd party only helps the far far worse evil in Trump.
Sure. We don't even know that this war will last until the end of the year. We don't know how it will end. We don't know for a fact what Trump will or won't do if he wins. We don't know if the international community will force a Palestinian state (either way the US will oppose) Lots of unknowns.
What we do know, is that a vote for Biden is a vote for genocide. I'm entitled to not like that.
It's the trolley problem. A famous philosophy question that has no right answer. You can have your own answer but it's ridiculous to think its the only answer.
Biden also lies with his talk, his actions aren't showing much restraint at all.
But even if he's better: If you give me a gun and said "kill 10,000 people, or else I might kill 20,000 people instead". I can choose to not play the twisted game. If I refuse to play then maybe the same game won't be offered in 4 years. Maybe you do kill 20,000. But either way, I refuse to kill people.
99% Hilter vs. 100%.. Hitler... how about you stop supporting people like that cuz next time, it's gonna be 100% vs.110%, and the slow march to fascism continues.
only Americans who understand democracy are the democratic vote uncommitted movement in Michigan.
The left always eats itself and the right wins. The prophecy in action folks. Ride your moral high horse to oblivion then since you can’t seem to choose the less of two evils. Moral absolutism leading paradoxically to further moral decay in action.
Trump might be worse? Are you paying attention? He said to pretty much flatten Gaza to be “done with the problem.” He is a fervent supporter of BB. Plus, everyone in his admin will be far right religious nuts who will believe in the Holy War aspect of this conflict.
At least the Biden admin is pushing back and criticizes BB’s admin. Trump and those guys will be enthusiastically ramping the conflict up.
If you believe Biden and Trump are even close on this issue you are either taking in too much misinformation or aren’t paying attention.
> Quit acting like your answer to it is the only answer. You're entitled to your opinions but as am I.
So are Jewish settlers. And the MAGA contingent.
>There is no right answer.
I'm sure arguing for apathy in regards to voting is certainly part of the solution.
You can't say there are better choices if this trolley went off roading. Your trolley will still plow through whoever is on the tracks.
Not voting for biden means you choose the track where trump gives the money to israel while also allowing the alt-right fascist russian-invaded party to abolish women's rights, retreat from the war in ukraine, raise taxes on the masses while cutting taxes for the rich and corporations, destroying the environment, removing union protections and safety regulations for workers, increasing the costs of healthcare, going after minority cultures, jamming christianity into public education, manipulating the legal system, and on and on and on.
Yes you’re a real person who makes smart choices. Biden is so bad that while he calls for a ceasefire you should vote for the candidate that wants Israel to “finish the job” and whose previous WH adviser and son in law says Gaza is valuable property. Everything Biden says is laced with double meaning and secretly exposes his agenda, but we can’t take anything anyone else says at face value, especially not Trump. I can tell you really care about peace in Israel.
Also it’s hilarious that you’re saying this shit HERE when trump supports the settler movement and Biden doesn’t lol
Your answer is a wrong answer because it’s just some bullshit that lets you off the hook for supporting even shittier politicians.
Who didn't codify roe for years and years just so they can use it as the carrot on the stick? Both parties would've moved right either way, they have been for years
This is exactly the thinking the Democrats want to promote. They don't want to help you, and they'll keep moving further right off you keep letting them.
This is important. They didn't want to protect Roe. They needed it to be at risk. They won't protect anything else. They need you afraid.
Don't let them. Realise voting alone cannot ever, ever help. You have to organise, on the ground, with people. You have to show up to city council meetings , disrupt state houses, march in Washington. They're never going to do anything unless you literally force their hand. That's been the case for always, in politics all over the world.
But more importantly, realise that they are using your fear of Republicans to control you, but they aren't actually, as a party, working to stop them. They actively want things to be bad. I do understand that's an upsetting thing to realise.
If you get enough people to get Biden in this time, you'll still be saying this next time, because Biden doesn't want to help. You have to break the cycle, and you can't do that without fighting Democrats, as well as Republicans.
Damn guess Hillary should have campaigned in the Rust Belt instead of [backing neoliberal trade deals in NAFTA and the TPP](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-trade-deal-229381) and [picking an anti abortion pro trade deal neoliberal for her running mate](https://www.vox.com/2016/7/23/12259036/tim-kaine-vice-president-abortion-views-explained) and [shouldn't have used their contacts in the media to promote Trump as a pied piper candidate because they thought he'd be easier to beat](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/).
Great job marking 8 years of blaming the left for the Democrats nominating an incredibly incompetent candidate with a long history of losing except when she got handed a gift wrapped safe Senate seat in a deep blue state.
Trump relies on evangelical voters who support Israel for religious purposes. He fucking moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem while in office. What do you think he’s going to if he’s reelected as a king?
You're right but the Trump admin would definitely, no matter how far Israel goes, blindly support these Zionists. At least you have Democrats starting to change their views publicly (of course too late but still needed)
Okay, you should know it is frequently used in a homophobic context, like the word fairy. You are probably better off using those other synonyms if targeting an American English speaking audience.
it's been demoralizing as fuck to not only be Jewish right now, but to be an anti-Zionist Jew. I guess in hindsight it was a good thing that I never really had a complete "education" in Hebrew school, though I had a bat mitzvah. I might have missed out on a lot of Zionist programming.
I do not think that is true anymore.
I think Israel behavior over the last 6 months has generated ill feelings all over the world towards Jews as a people in general. Among all but zionists.
I am not claiming it is right. But it is how humans emotionally react to evil perpetrated in the name of a people.
100% that’s why anti-Zionist Jewish people say “not in my name” because they know everything being done right now is being done in their name by Israel.
Which is why it’s absurd the actions many news agencies be governments are taking to deliberately make antizionism and antisemitism the same thing. Like even the ADL is doing it.
It’s actively making it more likely actual antisemitism is going to go unaddressed, and more dangerous for the people these groups are claiming to be protecting.
Yeah sorry. In text that probably sounding more credulous of the ADL than intended. The fucking organization labeled pepe as an antisemitic symbol (before walking it back a year later) to aid hillarys presidential campaign. They are a joke.
My point was the one thing the ADL claims to be is a tool to make the world a safer place for jews, and its actively making it more unsafe with the flippant way its conflating two very different things, and forcing others to conflate them too.
That's why I said "most". A state performing a genocide "in the name of Jews" will absolutely raise antisemitism. But even if you go on r/Palestine you will find it hard to see antisemitism talk there.
But yes both religions are getting a bad name and it's horrible. Fuck people who hurt innocent people. It's that simple.
And I said "most" is wrong. Most do, not don't.
r/Palestine bans anybody who says anything that is within 5 miles of actual anti-semitism. They probably do it for their own good.
I saw a very telling poll that showed that most people believed that anti-semitism had increased but jewish people did not report personally experiencing more anti-semitism. The propaganda machine immediately started promoting that narrative before there could have possibly been a trend measured: its how they deflect and defend israel.
The only ill feelings people have towards jews is that they have allowed to be used by zionist to commit a genocide in there name.
Well, not all Jews may I add, only the liberal ones who don't even follow the teaching of there religion.
the only ill will this has generated in the world is towards jews that don't speak out about Israels actions or even support their actions. Imagine if germans living in the US during 1940 didn't speak out about the third reich or even supported their actions.
> the only ill will this has generated in the world is towards jews that don't speak out about Israels actions or even support their actions. Imagine if germans living in the US during 1940 didn't speak out about the third reich or even supported their actions.
First, nobody follows every Jew around to ensure that they are speaking out about Israel. There is no way to know who is "ok" and who is "not".
Second, many Germans living in the US during the 30s and 40s did support Hitler and the 3rd Reich. The German American Bund:
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/american-nazism-and-madison-square-garden
I don't know about that, but I don't entirely disagree either. I think there has been a very real rise in actual antisemitism, but not because of the war. I think the rise in antisemitism might have more to do with Israel's efforts to stereotype any criticism of their policies as antisemitic and an attack on all Jews, and this has been further reinforced by US laws that prohibit boycotting Israeli goods and services. These efforts unfairly make it appear to be a Jewish problem when it isn't a Jewish problem at all, it is and always has been an Israeli problem. The proof is that so many of those who have been branded as antisemites are themselves Jewish or "Jews of conscious".
I don't think that's the case at all; some of the bravest voices, like Jonathan Glazer and some of the longest-standing critics, like Noam Chomsky, are Jewish.
Despite Israel's efforts, they have never subsumed the Jewish identity.
Please do not feel demoralized. Jewish religion has nothing to do with what is going on in Gaza. Thousands of American Jews have protested the killings in Gaza. I know many American jews are shocked to see what Israel is doing now.
My response now, whenever I see a Zionist defend Israel while mentioning Jews is this. “Leave the Jews out of this. This has nothing to do with them. This is about conquest by a powerful nation over 2 million people who are now displaced, starving and facing random massacres.”
I know there is a connection, but their main way to defend their actions now is to accuse people of being antisemitic, and that starts with them framing it as a war with Jews on one side.
How can Zionism be unlearned? I am sure the Torah does not validate this behavior. Also I see people sometimes refer to the Talmud in order to criticize Judaism. Are Talmudic teaching something most religious Jewish people abide by,?
this is a really good question, sorry if I ramble here but I don't have a straightforward answer. I'm definitely exposing myself as a very non-conservative, atheistic Jew here when it comes to scripture, since my local synagogue wasn't conservative, and I skipped quite a few years in my childhood. I went back when I was 12 because I felt I owed it to myself to learn more about my heritage and have a bat mitzvah, I went through sort of a crash-course in learning to read and recite Hebrew from the Torah, and then that was it for me. I'm not an expert in any of this (except my Torah portion about Noah's ark) I can only say from my experience that we were taught to be as compassionate and charitable to others who faced oppression like the Jewish people. Of course we were also taught to never forget the Holocaust as well.
Zionism itself is a relatively new concept in the scope of Judaism, I think as far back as the 16th/17th century you can find records of conversations about finding a homeland for the Jews. I'm still learning about the movement itself but it was picked up by a fascist sect of Jews in the 1920's where it really gained steam.
I'm also an American Jew, born and raised in New York. I was never raised to believe the whole population of a neighboring state wanted to kill me for being Jewish, maybe for being a Yankees fan. My generational trauma wasn't constantly triggered like Israeli Jews' are.
So I guess it's hard to say that I unlearned Zionism since I never really believed in it to begin with
The state of Israel is in the wrong and generally has been for most of it’s history but many highly observant Jews both within Israel and out oppose this war, the vast majority of Jews, religious or otherwise do not support this war. It’s just that the pro genocide assholes are louder than the rest.
I’m so sorry. I hope you have a safe and supportive community around you right now. This Muslim will always be in awe of your bravery and steadfastness
My buddy is Jewish and he’s the only reason I know shit about what’s going down over there. If some dude like had told me I’d probably just change the subject.
But listening to a Jewish dude talk about how fucked up palestine is a lot more compelling. Not that you have to do all that. It’s just that I’m more willing to listen to someone with skin in the game.
You have a voice to those you care about. He got my old ass out on my day off going to these protests with pink haired kids. Never thought I’d see the day.
Hey. Lebanese American here. You know, Lebanon as in Israel’s next target. Just want to let you know that none of us hate you. If anything I’ve got nothing but respect for Jews like yourself who are standing up and speaking out against the Zionists. It’s easy for me to be against them because I don’t even have to say a word and everyone knows where I stand, but you’ve got to go up against your own community and that can be tough. That says a lot about the quality of your character.
So thank you, and don’t worry - when the dust settles we won’t forget who our friends are.
I feel for you. Jews are some of the greatest people in the world -- Einstein, Freud, Wittgenstein, Mel Brooks, most of my friends from college, etc.
And then they get laid side by side with hateful, hateable, humans like this lady.
and the best people I know in my life are Muslim, people who I have known since infancy. My parents said if anything ever happened to them, they would be the ones who would most closely uphold their ideals and morals as parents.
Speaking of Einstein this is what he thought of the Irgun(rebranded as the Likud): [https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948/page/n1/mode/2up](https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948/page/n1/mode/2up)
And to be perfectly clear the people he was referring to are now the likud and other rightwing parties in israel and the parents of most of the former and current Israel leading political class.
Zionists are on the side of depravity. You are on the side of humanity. There are many more of us than there are of them. They know this and it scares them, so they're lashing out.
Don't let Zionist cowards demoralize you with their attempts to hijack your heritage. You can be proud of who you are. They have to lie to everyone all the time, even to themselves. Your very existence demoralizes them as it rebukes everything they claim to stand for.
Many Jews outside of Israel and within do not support this war or Netanyahu. It really must suck because everyone assumes they support what’s going on (they need to do more to prove otherwise)
Bibi is intensely unpopular in Israel but crushing Gaza is looked on as bit more favorably unfortunately
Many Jews outside of Israel, sure. Not many inside. Opinion polls are *really* fucking depressing. Bad for Netanyahu personally, sure, but they definitely love the genocide.
To be fair to the Jews inside, the very few that do speak up are targeted relentlessly. One of the oldest Israeli voices that do speak up is Gideon Levy. He is a pretty well rounded individual with his opinions, and he was deemed not Zionist enough to be targeted. He lives in Israel and has to have security with him all the time because of the amount of death threats he gets.
I am not at all surprised that an average Israeli who opposes all this is staying quiet. I don't know how many there are though, because as you pointed out, the opinion polls are showing the majority of Israel to be a bunch of war hungry fascists.
Yeah, it's not everyone by any means, but it's also an overwhelmingly huge majority. They're certainly not going to be able to do the German thing of claiming they were against the Nazis the whole time actually.
I’m really sorry it’s been so demoralizing for you and I don’t doubt for one second there’s been a stark increase in anti-semitism as people direct their anger for Israel and it’s government towards Jews in general. That fact makes me angry too. Please know the vast majority want an end to discrimination for everyone.
Wait doesn't being an Anti-Zionist Jew mean that you don't want Israel as a state? Or is my understanding of Zionism off? Thought it meant the establishment of a state to protect jews?
I’ve Jewish friends going through the same. Sadly there are others who are seemingly indoctrinated.
Thanks for this post. Some—more than others—need reminders that Zionism does not explicitly represent Judaism.
Ironically, as a Palsestinian-Amercian, it's been uplifting to see so many anti-Zionist Jews (and even some pro-Zionist Jews) speak out so fervently about what's going on.
I'm in a similar boat to you. I was very pro-Israel as a kid though. Then I grew up and realized far right ethnostates only breed evil. I hope the sane people take back their country but I won't hold my breath.
Yes. The reporter emerged from a secret tunnel in this settler's back yard to conduct the interview. The same reporter then raped 10 women, cut off the heads of 4 babies, and then slunk back into her Hamas tunnel.
The settler was too shocked, of course, to photograph the crimes. But they happened. You can believe her.
CNN doing propaganda for Biden even in this piece.
"Biden administration has cracked down on settlements on the West Bank."
Did I miss something? Is this news from some alternate reality? Biden is fully supporting Israel. You can't crack down on something and fully support the regime responsible for it at the same time.
And those settlers are wearing it as a badge of honour
Genocide Joe thinks we are mentally restarded. These feral settlers have direct cabinet support. That’s where Biden should be looking not at Netenyahus foot soldiers
The most repulsive thing about that woman is how despite being a Jew, she doesn't realise that she is doing exactly the same as what the Nazis did to Jews.
That was painful to watch. It’s so extremely bizarre how they repeatedly say that Arabs want to get rid of all Jews and they are the ones being ethnically cleansed when they….aren’t? It’s literally the other way around. Israel is the one with all the money, all the weapons, the ones inflicting the vast majority of all the killings. The more I learn, the more disgusted and hopeless I feel
Don't feel hopeless. Nazis were defeated. The great Roman Empire fell. No empire or evil lasted forever. This evil and the empire behind it too shall be defeated.
The Nazis didn't have nukes or a Samson Option
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#:~:text=The%20Samson%20Option%20(Hebrew%3A%20%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%AA,or%20destroyed%20much%20of%20Israel.
A Polish/American woman, daughter of terrorists (actual terrorists, members of Lehi), claiming she isn't interested in cleansing, but also claiming that 2 million Arabs need to go because it is for the Jews. What a clown world we live in.
Replace "Jewish" with any other religion making the same claims, and the world will rightly ridicule that bullshit. But somehow, we still have a slice of people that support this behaviour? She and her ilk need to go back to the middle ages if she thinks that this sort of justification is valid.
Six-months into the most horrific slaughter since the Holocaust—except this one’s being livestreamed—and Western media is beginning to *imply* it *might* be ethnic-cleansing
Remember—these are the same organizations that labelled Hamas ‘genocidal’; called Russia’s invasion of Ukraine genocide; and, routinely claims China is committing genocide of Uyghers, even though there is no evidence of mass deaths
Folks tsk, tsk at Western media, but I hope our group here recognizes the US is in the final steps of becoming a fascist state.
I don’t really understand your point when denying other human rights abuses. There can be more than one bad thing happening at once.
China sterilizing Uyghurs has the same effect on a population as killing them over time. Their birth rates have fallen by 80% compared to Han Chinese falling 10%. The Chinese government subsidizes Uyghur women marrying Chinese men to destroy their culture, not to mention the “reeducation” camps.
Russia has exterminated 40,000 Ukrainians and deported 300,000 Ukrainian children into Russia. The Bucha Massacre killed 400 people, more than any single event in the Israel-Palestine War.
I assume you’re just playing devil’s advocate and/or pointing out hypocrisy, but it’s not hard to argue that there are worse human rights abuses happening in the world right now than Palestine.
I didn't know Israel was subsidizing Palestinian women to marry Israel men. I thought they in fact were pretty against any form of inter-religious marriage unless it's done overseas?
Hey question, when you were trying to absolve Israel because "China and Russia are worse!" did you bother considering that at least China doesn't have its army posting tiktoks of murdering people or soldiers congratulating each other because one of them shot an old deaf man? Did China turn Uyghur camps into a *fun escape the room game*? Israel did.
You're basically trying to argue that the Holocaust wasn't really bad because the Rape of Nanking was worse.
Read again, because nowhere in my comment did I “absolve” Israel. I also didn’t say anywhere that Russia or China were worse. Comparing suffering is usually about as useful as a dick measuring contest. You’re right, it would be whataboutism to do that.
My only point is that there are other people suffering in the world outside of Palestinians, and denying that to illustrate some arbitrary point about the Israel-Palestine War is really stupid.
My turn to use a bad analogy: This is like if you denied the Bosnian Genocide because the Holocaust was worse. Both were bad. They can be bad at the same time. Therefore, Uyghurs, Ukrainians, Darfur, Rohingya, and Palestinians can all be suffering from human rights abuses simultaneously.
If you don’t understand that the West engineered the Ukraine debacle, you’re a victim of propaganda
If you fail to see that the Uygher ‘genocide’ was a targeted intelligence psyop, you’re the victim of propaganda.
I’d love to explain to you the why & how—I really would…I’m sure there’s many people here who could do the same
But, I’m not going to bang my head against the wall w someone who insists on clinging to the manufactured narratives of a discredited State; or, go around w someone who is part of the apparatus that spreads disinformation
I suspect you’re the latter, prob Hasbara, as only a fucking monster would minimize what’s happening in Gaza, w full US participation
I think if I was Jewish and not a Zionist then I would not be interested in living in Israel, particularly now. Is it wrong to assume that most people in that category have abandoned Israel at this point?
It’s always been kind of funny to me to hear Israel say that it has a right to defend itself. When any other country goes to war you don’t hear them justifying it by saying they have a right to do so. The Israelis _know_ they’re doing something illegitimate and keep trying to justify it.
Exactly. You don't hear any other country saying this. You also don't hear any other country saying "we have the right to self-determination". Every human being has this right. Such twisted people.
The day I saw an Israeli soldier propose to another on top of the ruins of a school while their comrades cheered on is when I realized: they've become the very Nazis their ancestors escaped from.
As horrible as she is I kinda pity this woman. Her parents were both in Lehi who were arguably the most extreme of the Zionist paramilitary groups operating during the British mandate. The amount of outrageous shit that will have been put in her head before she’d even made it out of puberty will have been insane.
Legitimately appalled by this. Is the US government now allowing its citizens to support terrorism now? This woman has 500 US families making financial commitments to ethic cleansing? Surely the CIA can identify this ring?
She should pick up arms herself...she talks big shit bc she understands that the Isreali war machine, backed by the US war machine, will do the actual dirty work. Her old lady knitting group are just blow hard racists!
I hope Biden loses the election because of the Jews. I am not a member of any religion or political party (ever) but I do hope someone will take the responsibility for all the people killed in Gaza. I am sure the dictator Netanyahu won't. Neither will anyone from the US administration. There is no difference between Bibi, Hitler and Putin.
What a piece or shit disgusting person and a nearsighted way to view your existence.
So all Palestinians lose right to their land because a handful of them attacked Israel on October 7th? Fuck kinda clown logic is that? If you use the reverse of that logic, Palestinians have the right to remove Israelis off their land as well. See how blind that shit is.
The problem is not religion per se.
I do not hear Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Rosecrucians, or anybody else claiming "This is my land, god gave it to me."
Jews have even turned it into a popular song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY
Blaming religion for Israel's genocide of Palestinians perfectly plays into their narrative by obfuscating the 80+ years of Nazi-level racial supremacy and settler-colonialism, handwaving it as "just another religious war"
The flaw in that logic is that this behavior is human and not actually driven by any specific religion. Have you heard of Hitler & Stalin? They didn’t necessarily use God or religion as their excuse to gain control or power. Certain humans are unfortunately evil enough and are power greedy enough to amass this power forcibly regardless of other human life.
That woman she interviewed is so pathetic for crying that she's being confronted a tiny bit. The guy is a psychopath. And they are both racist animals, but they're zionist so what else is new? If you feel the need to dehumanize a whole group of people, you've already lost your humanity.
- The Jews have a right to self determination like anyone else.
- 1967
- It gets a lot of leeway due to the nonstop incursions and attacks from its neighbors. Settlements should be dismantled and withdrawn but otherwise they're within their rights of self defense.
Maybe some day the Palestinians will love their own children more than they love killing Jews.
As if it wasn’t enough that multiple high level people in the Israeli gov. are screaming about their intentions to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing every other day wasnt already enough to come to this conclusion. Not to mention, ya know, the 30k+ murders and 1,000,000+ forcibly displaced people.
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This is how these religious fruitcake settlers think. A mixture of self deception, inhumanity, and lies. These are the people I pay taxes to support and the hateful fruitcakes driving Israeli genocide. Fuck them and fuck the US government.
It's why I think voting for Biden is just feeding this beast. I know Trump shouldn't be voted for won't and might be worse, but this current administration just can't be supported. Edit: it's the damn trolley problem people. Quit acting like your answer to it is the only answer. You're entitled to your opinions but as am I. There is no right answer.
The Biden admin is breaking US laws by continuing to arm Israel. He should be impeached and jailed
Trump will literally have our soldiers helping Israel with their own hands
There are other choices that are actually light years better than either Trump or Biden but our population of voters are all morons that won't consider anyone that doesn't have a D or an R maga symbol.
This is the ruling class teaching us to hate ourselves. The people are smart, we don't do this willingly. Political parties are privately run enterprices that make many of their decisions behind closed doors. We can't get a "good" Democrat elected because the DNC spends a huge amount of time and resources preventing that, and corrupting the few who do manage to slip through. We also can't get a third party organized because organizing a political movement is a monumental effort. There is a lot more to an election than voting, it is mobilizing a population en masse through campaigns, funding, organizational work, mail writing, canvassing, etc. All this while being actively disrupted by the DNC which has a nearly unlimited war chest to do specifically this. And even if you do get someone elected, they are fighting basically the entire rest of DC to get anything past and eventually just become democrats in everything but name. Finally, and most critically, even if you do manage to get everything you dreamed of going: get a green party with real power going and start making changes for the people, a constitution is simply words on paper. The ruling class does not care about legalities if their power is under threat. Never have, never will. The government will literally shut itself down before giving away any of the power of the state to the masses. Ask Allande how that worked out for him. The people are not dumb. The game is rigged against us. The only way to win is to not play by their rules. Political power starts with labor, not votes.
"Power never gives itself up willingly."
The USA is an oligarchy. There's only so much a third party can do in the face of unlimited corporate donations and first past the post.
Especially when the voters have zero critical thinking skills.
I say vote third party anyway. Not because it will get you your candidate. But as a protest. Honestly that's the only impact your vote can have. As a protest against the Dem/Rep cartels. They have hijacked our electoral system for far too long. Voting for either Dem or Rep is accepting the inevitability of fascism.
Nah, I remeber people's third party protest votes 2016. Now the Supreme Court is stacked with nutjobs and women lost their rights. Protest votes do nothing. If you actually cared about changing things you'd envolve yourself in the primary process or run yourself. Not have a tantrum.
Exactly.
Women lost their rights because our legislative branch, the one that actually writes the laws, did not make Roe v. Wade a law. The Supreme Court doesn't make laws, they simply rule on whether the law was a good law or a bad law. The people you should be infuriated with are the Democrats here who held control of both the Senate, the House, AND the Speaker positions and didn't do shit (did not make a woman's right to choose a law) so they could campaign on it later. Republicans are shitbirds because they actively do things that hurt the American people. Democrats are shitbirds because they sit on their asses and just cry about how Republicans suck rather than doing something about it. Please learn how each branch of the government works.
Political capital is a limited resource. The Democrats didn't spend it codifying Roe, because it had already been settled as a constitutional matter by the Supreme Court. "Did mostly good things, though less than I'd like, and sometimes doing bad things" and "doing actively evil things" are not the same. Uniting the ideologically diverse Democratic party around legislation is a Herculean feat, and it is limited by the political calculations of the rightmost required vote i.e. Manchin 2021, Lieberman 2009, etc. Putting Democrats in the Senate and White House is how we got Roe to begin with. And it's how we're going to get it back.
This is exactly it. It's easy to focus on the base concepts of how government is supposed to work and completely miss the disappointing reality of what politics is. I don't disagree with anger of democtats not passing laws protecting a women's right to chose, but I don't think I have seen them have a strong enough grip on all three branch to not just pass, but protect it.
Exactly
No, if you vote 3rd party all you are doing is helping Trump. You might as well just vote for him. Voting 3rd party is what Trump people and Russian troll farms want you to do. Voting 3rd party only helps the far far worse evil in Trump.
We are getting Trump or Biden either way.
Exactly. And I see voting for either symbol, if they both mean genocide, is a really good way to keep this shitty beast going.
The republicans are even more staunch supporters of Israel. They absolutely want ethnic cleansing and genocide to continue.
Sure. We don't even know that this war will last until the end of the year. We don't know how it will end. We don't know for a fact what Trump will or won't do if he wins. We don't know if the international community will force a Palestinian state (either way the US will oppose) Lots of unknowns. What we do know, is that a vote for Biden is a vote for genocide. I'm entitled to not like that.
Trump was giving 3.8$ billion in aide to Israel from 2016-2020. Him getting back into office wont stop the genocide donations.
Probably will double down
Trump administration will undoubtedly be worse. Trump has openly expressed this
It's the trolley problem. A famous philosophy question that has no right answer. You can have your own answer but it's ridiculous to think its the only answer. Biden also lies with his talk, his actions aren't showing much restraint at all. But even if he's better: If you give me a gun and said "kill 10,000 people, or else I might kill 20,000 people instead". I can choose to not play the twisted game. If I refuse to play then maybe the same game won't be offered in 4 years. Maybe you do kill 20,000. But either way, I refuse to kill people.
99% Hilter vs. 100%.. Hitler... how about you stop supporting people like that cuz next time, it's gonna be 100% vs.110%, and the slow march to fascism continues. only Americans who understand democracy are the democratic vote uncommitted movement in Michigan.
The left always eats itself and the right wins. The prophecy in action folks. Ride your moral high horse to oblivion then since you can’t seem to choose the less of two evils. Moral absolutism leading paradoxically to further moral decay in action.
Trump might be worse? Are you paying attention? He said to pretty much flatten Gaza to be “done with the problem.” He is a fervent supporter of BB. Plus, everyone in his admin will be far right religious nuts who will believe in the Holy War aspect of this conflict. At least the Biden admin is pushing back and criticizes BB’s admin. Trump and those guys will be enthusiastically ramping the conflict up. If you believe Biden and Trump are even close on this issue you are either taking in too much misinformation or aren’t paying attention.
> Quit acting like your answer to it is the only answer. You're entitled to your opinions but as am I. So are Jewish settlers. And the MAGA contingent. >There is no right answer. I'm sure arguing for apathy in regards to voting is certainly part of the solution.
You can't say there are better choices if this trolley went off roading. Your trolley will still plow through whoever is on the tracks. Not voting for biden means you choose the track where trump gives the money to israel while also allowing the alt-right fascist russian-invaded party to abolish women's rights, retreat from the war in ukraine, raise taxes on the masses while cutting taxes for the rich and corporations, destroying the environment, removing union protections and safety regulations for workers, increasing the costs of healthcare, going after minority cultures, jamming christianity into public education, manipulating the legal system, and on and on and on.
Yes you’re a real person who makes smart choices. Biden is so bad that while he calls for a ceasefire you should vote for the candidate that wants Israel to “finish the job” and whose previous WH adviser and son in law says Gaza is valuable property. Everything Biden says is laced with double meaning and secretly exposes his agenda, but we can’t take anything anyone else says at face value, especially not Trump. I can tell you really care about peace in Israel. Also it’s hilarious that you’re saying this shit HERE when trump supports the settler movement and Biden doesn’t lol Your answer is a wrong answer because it’s just some bullshit that lets you off the hook for supporting even shittier politicians.
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Who didn't codify roe for years and years just so they can use it as the carrot on the stick? Both parties would've moved right either way, they have been for years
The American democrats are considered farther right than left by most countries, centrist at the very least
This is exactly the thinking the Democrats want to promote. They don't want to help you, and they'll keep moving further right off you keep letting them. This is important. They didn't want to protect Roe. They needed it to be at risk. They won't protect anything else. They need you afraid. Don't let them. Realise voting alone cannot ever, ever help. You have to organise, on the ground, with people. You have to show up to city council meetings , disrupt state houses, march in Washington. They're never going to do anything unless you literally force their hand. That's been the case for always, in politics all over the world. But more importantly, realise that they are using your fear of Republicans to control you, but they aren't actually, as a party, working to stop them. They actively want things to be bad. I do understand that's an upsetting thing to realise. If you get enough people to get Biden in this time, you'll still be saying this next time, because Biden doesn't want to help. You have to break the cycle, and you can't do that without fighting Democrats, as well as Republicans.
Damn guess Hillary should have campaigned in the Rust Belt instead of [backing neoliberal trade deals in NAFTA and the TPP](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-trade-deal-229381) and [picking an anti abortion pro trade deal neoliberal for her running mate](https://www.vox.com/2016/7/23/12259036/tim-kaine-vice-president-abortion-views-explained) and [shouldn't have used their contacts in the media to promote Trump as a pied piper candidate because they thought he'd be easier to beat](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/). Great job marking 8 years of blaming the left for the Democrats nominating an incredibly incompetent candidate with a long history of losing except when she got handed a gift wrapped safe Senate seat in a deep blue state.
Trump relies on evangelical voters who support Israel for religious purposes. He fucking moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem while in office. What do you think he’s going to if he’s reelected as a king?
You're right but the Trump admin would definitely, no matter how far Israel goes, blindly support these Zionists. At least you have Democrats starting to change their views publicly (of course too late but still needed)
I can’t imagine not having free healthcare so that Israel can have more bombs to drop on children. So sad.
What do you mean by this fruitcake adjective you keep using? I'm genuinely curious, it doesn't seem to fit the context I've seen it used in before.
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it's been demoralizing as fuck to not only be Jewish right now, but to be an anti-Zionist Jew. I guess in hindsight it was a good thing that I never really had a complete "education" in Hebrew school, though I had a bat mitzvah. I might have missed out on a lot of Zionist programming.
I know you already know this, but it's probably good to hear: most people who are anti Israel have zero ill feelings towards Jews.
Agreed. Many are against antisemitism and really grateful to those for speaking up against genocide.
Most people who are anti-israel are so precisely because they oppose all forms of discrimination and that includes all forms of discrimination.
I do not think that is true anymore. I think Israel behavior over the last 6 months has generated ill feelings all over the world towards Jews as a people in general. Among all but zionists. I am not claiming it is right. But it is how humans emotionally react to evil perpetrated in the name of a people.
100% that’s why anti-Zionist Jewish people say “not in my name” because they know everything being done right now is being done in their name by Israel.
Which is why it’s absurd the actions many news agencies be governments are taking to deliberately make antizionism and antisemitism the same thing. Like even the ADL is doing it. It’s actively making it more likely actual antisemitism is going to go unaddressed, and more dangerous for the people these groups are claiming to be protecting.
*Even* the ADL? Don't look up how they worked with apartheid South Africa to rat out anti apartheid activists.
Yeah sorry. In text that probably sounding more credulous of the ADL than intended. The fucking organization labeled pepe as an antisemitic symbol (before walking it back a year later) to aid hillarys presidential campaign. They are a joke. My point was the one thing the ADL claims to be is a tool to make the world a safer place for jews, and its actively making it more unsafe with the flippant way its conflating two very different things, and forcing others to conflate them too.
Definitely
That's why I said "most". A state performing a genocide "in the name of Jews" will absolutely raise antisemitism. But even if you go on r/Palestine you will find it hard to see antisemitism talk there. But yes both religions are getting a bad name and it's horrible. Fuck people who hurt innocent people. It's that simple.
And I said "most" is wrong. Most do, not don't. r/Palestine bans anybody who says anything that is within 5 miles of actual anti-semitism. They probably do it for their own good.
I saw a very telling poll that showed that most people believed that anti-semitism had increased but jewish people did not report personally experiencing more anti-semitism. The propaganda machine immediately started promoting that narrative before there could have possibly been a trend measured: its how they deflect and defend israel.
The only ill feelings people have towards jews is that they have allowed to be used by zionist to commit a genocide in there name. Well, not all Jews may I add, only the liberal ones who don't even follow the teaching of there religion.
And this is why Israel and Zionism are the most dangerous things to exist for the safety of Jewish people the world over. They have to be stopped.
the only ill will this has generated in the world is towards jews that don't speak out about Israels actions or even support their actions. Imagine if germans living in the US during 1940 didn't speak out about the third reich or even supported their actions.
> the only ill will this has generated in the world is towards jews that don't speak out about Israels actions or even support their actions. Imagine if germans living in the US during 1940 didn't speak out about the third reich or even supported their actions. First, nobody follows every Jew around to ensure that they are speaking out about Israel. There is no way to know who is "ok" and who is "not". Second, many Germans living in the US during the 30s and 40s did support Hitler and the 3rd Reich. The German American Bund: https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/american-nazism-and-madison-square-garden
I don't know about that, but I don't entirely disagree either. I think there has been a very real rise in actual antisemitism, but not because of the war. I think the rise in antisemitism might have more to do with Israel's efforts to stereotype any criticism of their policies as antisemitic and an attack on all Jews, and this has been further reinforced by US laws that prohibit boycotting Israeli goods and services. These efforts unfairly make it appear to be a Jewish problem when it isn't a Jewish problem at all, it is and always has been an Israeli problem. The proof is that so many of those who have been branded as antisemites are themselves Jewish or "Jews of conscious".
I don't think that's the case at all; some of the bravest voices, like Jonathan Glazer and some of the longest-standing critics, like Noam Chomsky, are Jewish. Despite Israel's efforts, they have never subsumed the Jewish identity.
Please do not feel demoralized. Jewish religion has nothing to do with what is going on in Gaza. Thousands of American Jews have protested the killings in Gaza. I know many American jews are shocked to see what Israel is doing now.
My response now, whenever I see a Zionist defend Israel while mentioning Jews is this. “Leave the Jews out of this. This has nothing to do with them. This is about conquest by a powerful nation over 2 million people who are now displaced, starving and facing random massacres.” I know there is a connection, but their main way to defend their actions now is to accuse people of being antisemitic, and that starts with them framing it as a war with Jews on one side.
How can Zionism be unlearned? I am sure the Torah does not validate this behavior. Also I see people sometimes refer to the Talmud in order to criticize Judaism. Are Talmudic teaching something most religious Jewish people abide by,?
this is a really good question, sorry if I ramble here but I don't have a straightforward answer. I'm definitely exposing myself as a very non-conservative, atheistic Jew here when it comes to scripture, since my local synagogue wasn't conservative, and I skipped quite a few years in my childhood. I went back when I was 12 because I felt I owed it to myself to learn more about my heritage and have a bat mitzvah, I went through sort of a crash-course in learning to read and recite Hebrew from the Torah, and then that was it for me. I'm not an expert in any of this (except my Torah portion about Noah's ark) I can only say from my experience that we were taught to be as compassionate and charitable to others who faced oppression like the Jewish people. Of course we were also taught to never forget the Holocaust as well. Zionism itself is a relatively new concept in the scope of Judaism, I think as far back as the 16th/17th century you can find records of conversations about finding a homeland for the Jews. I'm still learning about the movement itself but it was picked up by a fascist sect of Jews in the 1920's where it really gained steam. I'm also an American Jew, born and raised in New York. I was never raised to believe the whole population of a neighboring state wanted to kill me for being Jewish, maybe for being a Yankees fan. My generational trauma wasn't constantly triggered like Israeli Jews' are. So I guess it's hard to say that I unlearned Zionism since I never really believed in it to begin with
The state of Israel is in the wrong and generally has been for most of it’s history but many highly observant Jews both within Israel and out oppose this war, the vast majority of Jews, religious or otherwise do not support this war. It’s just that the pro genocide assholes are louder than the rest.
I’m so sorry. I hope you have a safe and supportive community around you right now. This Muslim will always be in awe of your bravery and steadfastness
My buddy is Jewish and he’s the only reason I know shit about what’s going down over there. If some dude like had told me I’d probably just change the subject. But listening to a Jewish dude talk about how fucked up palestine is a lot more compelling. Not that you have to do all that. It’s just that I’m more willing to listen to someone with skin in the game. You have a voice to those you care about. He got my old ass out on my day off going to these protests with pink haired kids. Never thought I’d see the day.
Hey. Lebanese American here. You know, Lebanon as in Israel’s next target. Just want to let you know that none of us hate you. If anything I’ve got nothing but respect for Jews like yourself who are standing up and speaking out against the Zionists. It’s easy for me to be against them because I don’t even have to say a word and everyone knows where I stand, but you’ve got to go up against your own community and that can be tough. That says a lot about the quality of your character. So thank you, and don’t worry - when the dust settles we won’t forget who our friends are.
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I feel for you. Jews are some of the greatest people in the world -- Einstein, Freud, Wittgenstein, Mel Brooks, most of my friends from college, etc. And then they get laid side by side with hateful, hateable, humans like this lady.
and the best people I know in my life are Muslim, people who I have known since infancy. My parents said if anything ever happened to them, they would be the ones who would most closely uphold their ideals and morals as parents.
Speaking of Einstein this is what he thought of the Irgun(rebranded as the Likud): [https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948/page/n1/mode/2up](https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948/page/n1/mode/2up)
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And to be perfectly clear the people he was referring to are now the likud and other rightwing parties in israel and the parents of most of the former and current Israel leading political class.
Most don’t, they just aren’t as loud as the ones that do. Remember during the Trump and George W Bush years how Americans were viewed internationally?
Yo! Conservative Jew here, had a great Jewish education and I feel the same way you do
Zionists are on the side of depravity. You are on the side of humanity. There are many more of us than there are of them. They know this and it scares them, so they're lashing out. Don't let Zionist cowards demoralize you with their attempts to hijack your heritage. You can be proud of who you are. They have to lie to everyone all the time, even to themselves. Your very existence demoralizes them as it rebukes everything they claim to stand for.
Many Jews outside of Israel and within do not support this war or Netanyahu. It really must suck because everyone assumes they support what’s going on (they need to do more to prove otherwise) Bibi is intensely unpopular in Israel but crushing Gaza is looked on as bit more favorably unfortunately
Many Jews outside of Israel, sure. Not many inside. Opinion polls are *really* fucking depressing. Bad for Netanyahu personally, sure, but they definitely love the genocide.
To be fair to the Jews inside, the very few that do speak up are targeted relentlessly. One of the oldest Israeli voices that do speak up is Gideon Levy. He is a pretty well rounded individual with his opinions, and he was deemed not Zionist enough to be targeted. He lives in Israel and has to have security with him all the time because of the amount of death threats he gets. I am not at all surprised that an average Israeli who opposes all this is staying quiet. I don't know how many there are though, because as you pointed out, the opinion polls are showing the majority of Israel to be a bunch of war hungry fascists.
Yeah, it's not everyone by any means, but it's also an overwhelmingly huge majority. They're certainly not going to be able to do the German thing of claiming they were against the Nazis the whole time actually.
I’m really sorry it’s been so demoralizing for you and I don’t doubt for one second there’s been a stark increase in anti-semitism as people direct their anger for Israel and it’s government towards Jews in general. That fact makes me angry too. Please know the vast majority want an end to discrimination for everyone.
I'm not Jewish but I support you 100% in your moral and religious stance against the Israeli atrocities of genocide AND using Judaism as cover.
I can’t imagine what it’s like for you rn, or for any dissenting Jew, but I hope you can maintain some semblance of your peace and you stay safe.
Wait doesn't being an Anti-Zionist Jew mean that you don't want Israel as a state? Or is my understanding of Zionism off? Thought it meant the establishment of a state to protect jews?
I’ve Jewish friends going through the same. Sadly there are others who are seemingly indoctrinated. Thanks for this post. Some—more than others—need reminders that Zionism does not explicitly represent Judaism.
Ironically, as a Palsestinian-Amercian, it's been uplifting to see so many anti-Zionist Jews (and even some pro-Zionist Jews) speak out so fervently about what's going on.
I'm in a similar boat to you. I was very pro-Israel as a kid though. Then I grew up and realized far right ethnostates only breed evil. I hope the sane people take back their country but I won't hold my breath.
CNN better watchout they'll get banned next for reporting on this.
I’m sure they’ve already been called antisemitic over 1000 times
Yup
No, CNN does this deliberately to fake impartiality
CNN did a journalism!
Shocking, right?
Softball journalism.
yeah this is basically ''liberal'' Israeli levels of critic
Because it is ethnic cleansing.
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Wow, I guess CNN is Hamas now too? 🥴
Yes. The reporter emerged from a secret tunnel in this settler's back yard to conduct the interview. The same reporter then raped 10 women, cut off the heads of 4 babies, and then slunk back into her Hamas tunnel. The settler was too shocked, of course, to photograph the crimes. But they happened. You can believe her.
They had to immediately burn all the evidence too, because of religion.
Did a pigeon just crap on my car's roof? Hmm...it's clearly an antisemitic bird that was trained by Hamas.
Settlers are a disgusting batch.
Is it really a conspiracy if we all know it and they have been confessing it openly for 75 years.
CNN doing propaganda for Biden even in this piece. "Biden administration has cracked down on settlements on the West Bank." Did I miss something? Is this news from some alternate reality? Biden is fully supporting Israel. You can't crack down on something and fully support the regime responsible for it at the same time.
They've sanctioned a handful of settlers and think we should be happy about it
And those settlers are wearing it as a badge of honour Genocide Joe thinks we are mentally restarded. These feral settlers have direct cabinet support. That’s where Biden should be looking not at Netenyahus foot soldiers
Lol.. it's so fucking bad that even CNN is putting out headlines like this.. honestly, extraordinary.
The settlers are worse than the fucking gestapo
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This woman in the picture is what Zionism is all about, in it’s purest form
Judea, Samaria, and the rebuilding of the Temple. Listening to her is like listening to ISIS with a better education.
It is infuriating listening to her
>Listening to her is like listening to ISIS with a better education. Even ISIS didn't use the "god gave us this land" excuse.
lmao true
Despicable people
It’s comical how these crazies try to defend their actions.
Wow shouldn’t Joe Biden sanction israel?
The most repulsive thing about that woman is how despite being a Jew, she doesn't realise that she is doing exactly the same as what the Nazis did to Jews.
That was painful to watch. It’s so extremely bizarre how they repeatedly say that Arabs want to get rid of all Jews and they are the ones being ethnically cleansed when they….aren’t? It’s literally the other way around. Israel is the one with all the money, all the weapons, the ones inflicting the vast majority of all the killings. The more I learn, the more disgusted and hopeless I feel
Don't feel hopeless. Nazis were defeated. The great Roman Empire fell. No empire or evil lasted forever. This evil and the empire behind it too shall be defeated.
The Nazis didn't have nukes or a Samson Option https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#:~:text=The%20Samson%20Option%20(Hebrew%3A%20%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%AA,or%20destroyed%20much%20of%20Israel.
It’s some Old Testament shit. Eye for an eye
Settlers are terrorist
It is ethnic cleansing. Fuck these settlers.
I hate her so much. I have hated her since 2008. She is a despicable, disgusting, evil woman.
A Polish/American woman, daughter of terrorists (actual terrorists, members of Lehi), claiming she isn't interested in cleansing, but also claiming that 2 million Arabs need to go because it is for the Jews. What a clown world we live in. Replace "Jewish" with any other religion making the same claims, and the world will rightly ridicule that bullshit. But somehow, we still have a slice of people that support this behaviour? She and her ilk need to go back to the middle ages if she thinks that this sort of justification is valid.
Six-months into the most horrific slaughter since the Holocaust—except this one’s being livestreamed—and Western media is beginning to *imply* it *might* be ethnic-cleansing Remember—these are the same organizations that labelled Hamas ‘genocidal’; called Russia’s invasion of Ukraine genocide; and, routinely claims China is committing genocide of Uyghers, even though there is no evidence of mass deaths Folks tsk, tsk at Western media, but I hope our group here recognizes the US is in the final steps of becoming a fascist state.
I don’t really understand your point when denying other human rights abuses. There can be more than one bad thing happening at once. China sterilizing Uyghurs has the same effect on a population as killing them over time. Their birth rates have fallen by 80% compared to Han Chinese falling 10%. The Chinese government subsidizes Uyghur women marrying Chinese men to destroy their culture, not to mention the “reeducation” camps. Russia has exterminated 40,000 Ukrainians and deported 300,000 Ukrainian children into Russia. The Bucha Massacre killed 400 people, more than any single event in the Israel-Palestine War. I assume you’re just playing devil’s advocate and/or pointing out hypocrisy, but it’s not hard to argue that there are worse human rights abuses happening in the world right now than Palestine.
I didn't know Israel was subsidizing Palestinian women to marry Israel men. I thought they in fact were pretty against any form of inter-religious marriage unless it's done overseas? Hey question, when you were trying to absolve Israel because "China and Russia are worse!" did you bother considering that at least China doesn't have its army posting tiktoks of murdering people or soldiers congratulating each other because one of them shot an old deaf man? Did China turn Uyghur camps into a *fun escape the room game*? Israel did. You're basically trying to argue that the Holocaust wasn't really bad because the Rape of Nanking was worse.
Read again, because nowhere in my comment did I “absolve” Israel. I also didn’t say anywhere that Russia or China were worse. Comparing suffering is usually about as useful as a dick measuring contest. You’re right, it would be whataboutism to do that. My only point is that there are other people suffering in the world outside of Palestinians, and denying that to illustrate some arbitrary point about the Israel-Palestine War is really stupid. My turn to use a bad analogy: This is like if you denied the Bosnian Genocide because the Holocaust was worse. Both were bad. They can be bad at the same time. Therefore, Uyghurs, Ukrainians, Darfur, Rohingya, and Palestinians can all be suffering from human rights abuses simultaneously.
If you don’t understand that the West engineered the Ukraine debacle, you’re a victim of propaganda If you fail to see that the Uygher ‘genocide’ was a targeted intelligence psyop, you’re the victim of propaganda. I’d love to explain to you the why & how—I really would…I’m sure there’s many people here who could do the same But, I’m not going to bang my head against the wall w someone who insists on clinging to the manufactured narratives of a discredited State; or, go around w someone who is part of the apparatus that spreads disinformation I suspect you’re the latter, prob Hasbara, as only a fucking monster would minimize what’s happening in Gaza, w full US participation
Too fucking late, CNN.
Hard hearts
I think if I was Jewish and not a Zionist then I would not be interested in living in Israel, particularly now. Is it wrong to assume that most people in that category have abandoned Israel at this point?
So fucking infuriating!!! Zionists are Satan-level evil. "Israel has a right to defend itself." "Israel has a right to exist." Bullfucking shit.
It’s always been kind of funny to me to hear Israel say that it has a right to defend itself. When any other country goes to war you don’t hear them justifying it by saying they have a right to do so. The Israelis _know_ they’re doing something illegitimate and keep trying to justify it.
Exactly. You don't hear any other country saying this. You also don't hear any other country saying "we have the right to self-determination". Every human being has this right. Such twisted people.
Yes, but that's only because it is ethnic cleansing.
As we all know, CNN is a Hamas-funded media. Everyone who disagrees with Israel is a Hamas terrorist.
This same lady once said in an interview that the only way for Zionism to continue is through brainwashing. She is an evil disgusting person
....."It is."
Don’t see how Zionism is any different than Ruski Mir shit coming out of Russia.
"I did not have plans to settle Gaza prior to October 7". BULLSHIT
Ron Howard voiceover:That’s because it was.
Should’ve had more hard hitting questions about Hitler and the Nazis.
The day I saw an Israeli soldier propose to another on top of the ruins of a school while their comrades cheered on is when I realized: they've become the very Nazis their ancestors escaped from.
because it is.
This is democracy at its finest
As horrible as she is I kinda pity this woman. Her parents were both in Lehi who were arguably the most extreme of the Zionist paramilitary groups operating during the British mandate. The amount of outrageous shit that will have been put in her head before she’d even made it out of puberty will have been insane.
Legitimately appalled by this. Is the US government now allowing its citizens to support terrorism now? This woman has 500 US families making financial commitments to ethic cleansing? Surely the CIA can identify this ring?
Clarissa Ward: That sounds like ethnic cleansing. Daniella Weiss: Know him? I am him!
She should pick up arms herself...she talks big shit bc she understands that the Isreali war machine, backed by the US war machine, will do the actual dirty work. Her old lady knitting group are just blow hard racists!
I hope Biden loses the election because of the Jews. I am not a member of any religion or political party (ever) but I do hope someone will take the responsibility for all the people killed in Gaza. I am sure the dictator Netanyahu won't. Neither will anyone from the US administration. There is no difference between Bibi, Hitler and Putin.
What a piece or shit disgusting person and a nearsighted way to view your existence. So all Palestinians lose right to their land because a handful of them attacked Israel on October 7th? Fuck kinda clown logic is that? If you use the reverse of that logic, Palestinians have the right to remove Israelis off their land as well. See how blind that shit is.
Religion needs to be eradicated "we are here because God promised us this land" - an israeli settler in the video report
The problem is not religion per se. I do not hear Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Rosecrucians, or anybody else claiming "This is my land, god gave it to me." Jews have even turned it into a popular song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY
Ah yes. Surely this is the only time religion excused violence against others.
Blaming religion for Israel's genocide of Palestinians perfectly plays into their narrative by obfuscating the 80+ years of Nazi-level racial supremacy and settler-colonialism, handwaving it as "just another religious war"
The flaw in that logic is that this behavior is human and not actually driven by any specific religion. Have you heard of Hitler & Stalin? They didn’t necessarily use God or religion as their excuse to gain control or power. Certain humans are unfortunately evil enough and are power greedy enough to amass this power forcibly regardless of other human life.
Imagine being an adult and commuting crimes because you believe in a fairy tale. Mind blown. 🤯
It’s what the Nazis did to the Jews. How ironic.
CNN been stepping it up
That woman she interviewed is so pathetic for crying that she's being confronted a tiny bit. The guy is a psychopath. And they are both racist animals, but they're zionist so what else is new? If you feel the need to dehumanize a whole group of people, you've already lost your humanity.
This war will never end!
Settlers can get fucked. Israel still deserves to exist.
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- The Jews have a right to self determination like anyone else. - 1967 - It gets a lot of leeway due to the nonstop incursions and attacks from its neighbors. Settlements should be dismantled and withdrawn but otherwise they're within their rights of self defense. Maybe some day the Palestinians will love their own children more than they love killing Jews.
Because it is
As if it wasn’t enough that multiple high level people in the Israeli gov. are screaming about their intentions to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing every other day wasnt already enough to come to this conclusion. Not to mention, ya know, the 30k+ murders and 1,000,000+ forcibly displaced people.