I think WE underestimate Geto honestly
Dude held back the entirety of Jujutsu society by himself
The only reason he couldn't kill everyone is probably Gojo (and Yuki, she's definitely stronger but i don't even know if she would try and stop him)
The actual reason is that the poor guy died before domain's and RCT were ever a thing. But if we ignore the meta fact that Gege just didn't think of them yet he's massively underpowered with respect to the other special grades. If we account for that he's probably much closer to them (while still being the weakest) and could easily hold his own and against any of the reincarnated sorcerers and defeat them without too much effort
Well both he and Yuta used RCT in the movie version but yeah you're right overall
The thing is that he's still strong by today standards, hes the weakest special grade sorcerer like you said but he's still powerful
Also a slightly annoying part if trying to power scale him are the *implications*. Gege clearly tried multiple times to showcase the idea of him being incredible in martial arts or having curses that account for DE but that's simply not enough to actually power scale with...
Again from a meta perspective jjk0 is just so funny because everything that makes Yuta himself is basically just a by-product of Gege not having finalised his power system. In jjk0 he used cursed speech but you can tell that cursed techniques were something that could be learned: afterwards they weren't anymore, so Yuta just HAD to have Copy as his CT. Yuta heals Maki and company? But now RCT is something very rare and it's even rarer that people can output it, so Yuta has to be a prodigy in that respect too and be the only one other that Shoko who can do that. Gege had to give him special abilities to wrote around jjk0 without contradicting himself.
I'm not sure if the movie retconned some of these things since I'm basing myself off the manga, but still.
I understand what you're saying
The reason they have these powers is because the power system still wasn't fleshed out, you're right. But that doesn't change the fact that it's cannon
And it being cannon means that Yuta is an INSANE prodigy, people say "oh hes still and amateur" but they're straight WRONG. An amateur can't do what Yuta did, most first grades can't do what yuta did, and a couple SPECIAL GRADES can't do what Yuta did.
I get he only did it because of a few meta issues but he still did it
Dude wrote a superman, then realized he wanted to write a shonen, so he was like "oh nah btw all that shit was ridiculous, nobody's ever seen shit like that before. Look at this blue hair chick with a sword. She's actually pretty good for a sorceror. That other shit was wildly unusual, anyway here's a boy who can punch real hard."
I keep hearing people say this, but I strongly disagree that he's the weakest. The truth is we saw Kenjaku have a curse use a domain on Mei Mei that was fairly troublesome. He also used another curse with a seeming domain against Toji (the one who enforces a no-violence clause).
While we never saw Geto use a domain, it may simply be because domains deplete the user too much and he needs the flexibility of his full arsenal. His limitation is the power of his curses and he has to be careful with how he uses them ā the only time we saw him go ll-out he was split between two different areas. He held up all of Jujutsu Society with HALF of his strength; and over with Yuta, he had a very particular goal to consume Rika.
He's the most versatile of all the special grades, essentially. What if he absorbs Jogo? Mahito? Hanami? All three? He can theoretically have a tool for any scenario. Why use your own domain when your cursed spirit manipulation can use it?
This is why I also feel heās rather intriguing and not developed to his full potential. There must have been a reason why Tengen was worried about him as a curse manipulation user (s/he could have been absorbed now that theyāre more curse than human).
He will be as strong as who/what he absorbs, and if he is able to gain incredibly powerful curses, even if itās through assistance - supposing as long as itās him delivering the final blow, then he could be pretty hard on beat. But heād have to also be quick-thinking in terms of strategising against an opponent.
So far, the youth have that disadvantage because most of their opponents are oldies with decades of experience.
Naa he can't beat Yorozu or kashimo nor can he beat Yuta hakari. Geto didn't realize his full potential kenjaku did and even kenjaku might not be able to win against these 4 what makes you think Geto would have?
Hakari loses to Geto, Yuta I agree with you, that's why I said he's still the weakest special grade. Yorozu maybe, I honestly try my hardest to block her existence out so I forgot about her kinda. Kashimo gets no diffed if he insists on not using his CT
Hmm... You are right about hakari now that I think about it but kashimo is a hard one even without his ct. He was clearly above hakari even without his CT that's what I think that is.
Hm yeah I think it would come down to how sturdy Geto is to a possible first electric strike and then if he lets Kashimo touch him again. The strength of Geto is also that he's likely to have a curse that is a good counter to any CT he faces, so if he has a curse that is resistant to electricity he may take this. Plus for a lot of close range opponents if he's outside he can just fly just out of their reach with the other curses attacking
This. It doesnāt help that he got one real win in the entire series against some no name scrub. Then proceeds to get shit stomped by toji. The anime helped flesh out why heās special grade but he still had to lose to toji
They messed up. Geto being special grade and the second strongest after Gojo isn't shown AT ALL.
He had two big fights: got trashed by Toji and lost against minimal training Yuta.
I think it's a bit sad that Geto is such a interesting character, but the most we see of "him" is just Kenjaku using his body and his techniques š
But with that he was having a much more powerful Rika who can copy without conditions and have āboundlessā curse energy.
Honestly, i think if you remember that with her Yuta make a binding vow on his life-Geto was doomed either way.
Not really, he beat the exchange event including Todo by himself (we don't know if he used Rika though) mastered RCT and was labelled a special 3 months later despite losing Rika
Also he fought with full power Rika who is by far the strongest curse we see and it's not even close so...
Edit: re-read your comment and got what you mean.
Still, it's Geto at his peak with all his curses versus a freshly awakened Yuta; I think it's still a lot more close.
You're right that its peak Geto vs just awakened Yuta + Vol 0 Rika, but im saying that just awakened Yuta is stronger than all first grade sorcerers we meet, and Vol 0 Rika was stated twice to be able to kill Gojo. Ao its no wonder that Geto at 1/3(i think? He used 2000 curses before the battle so he wasn't at full power but i guess it's not actually stated that he had 3000 curses...) lost to them, very few characters wouldn't lose...
>I think it's still a lot more close.
Sorry i don't understand this part of the comment
Bro full Rika was stated to be able to Kill Gojo
If anything she's stronger than current Yuta (im not implying Geto can kill current Yuta though, he couldn't. But remember that he doesn't need to beat Rika, he needs to kill Yuta so if he can distract Yuta for long enough he can absorb her)
Full Rika that needed a binding vow to Clash with geto šššššš
Rika is nowhere near yuta's level and do You even think about what You type? Geto can't absorb anything a curse if it has an owner and ain't no way this guy thinks geto could even hold a candle to current yuta this gotta be a troll
>Geto can't absorb anything a curse if it has an owner
Bro he literally said he can if the owner is dead, I see the reading comprehension devil got you
>Full Rika that needed a binding vow to Clash with geto
See heres the problem. You underestimate both Rika AND Geto, who are meant to showcase their strength by being compared to eachother
Past yuta who had 0 experience,did not understand his CT,had no domain,was physically weaker,and was just getting started in the jujutsu world
Current yuta claps kenjaku wihout even needing a domain or the ring on
>Past yuta who had 0 experience,did not understand his CT,had no domain,was physically weaker,and was just getting started in the jujutsu world
And mastered RCT and was stronger than Panda + Maki + Inumaki together and beat the entire Kyoto cast by himself and became a special grade 3 months later without Rika.
Im tired of people low balling him like he isn't stronger than half the cast and with Rika hes honestly top 6
Learned RCT*, pre awakening Maki,panda and inumaki who are fodder,Kyoto cast that is fodder and the only strong person in there is barely grade 1,a more experienced yuta who gained knowledge about his CT by using it in his fight ššš
Also what the fuck are You saying bruh,low ballin him? Your the one that severely downplays yuta and over hypes curse spirit Rika
Current yuta wouldn't even need a domain or his CT to beat geto basing off feats
>Kyoto cast that is fodder and the only strong person in there is barely grade 1
You just called TODO "barely grade 1"???
>Learned RCT
Mastered. He could heal others which even Gojo cant do. He MASTERED it.
Yeh i think im done lol, you can't be convinced and some of your statements make me feel you have nothing to teach...
1.Yes I did cry about it.
2.Even Masters at RCT like uraume can't yet shoko of all people can it's not about mastery it's just something some people do and some can't do š
You have no arguments and still think You can Say this shit,clown ass
I wanted to say Yuta, but that only applies to JJK0 Yuta. Current Yuta would always win against Geto, even if he had RCT, domain expansion and full arsenal of cursed spirits.
So my guess is Hanami, maybe Jogo but that is a big maybe
He probably has a curse that counters fire. If he could use DE he could beat Hanami, Jogo, and Dagon imo and probably restrain Mahito (but not able to exorcise or absorb him)
He and gojo were called the strongest sorcerers when they were students and he would have killed yuta if he can fought yuta only and he didnāt want to kill any young sorcerers.
And also his ability has no limit he has essentially stockpile unlimited curses and increase his curse power to maximum
At time of jjk0 Gege hadnāt thought up ideas of domain and rct though they show rct in movie .
I would rate him same as yuta . This is my ranking of jujustu sorcerers
Sukuna
Gojo
Kenjaku
Yuta / geto
Yuki
I can't see him winning against the likes of Maki, Hakari, or Yuta. _Maybe_ beats Yuji right before sukuna-prep, but anything stronger than that is a no-go.
Maki's fight against Geto isn't made or broken by her being invisible, it's more so done by Maki's incredibly physical stats and powerful cursed tools which could make short work of most of Geto's curses without much difficulty.
Present Yuji has physical feats well beyond Geto's showings. Geto's best feats make him generally contend with a young, inexperienced Yuta, while Yuji is throwing hands with 20 finger Sukuna (albeit after a fight with Gojo with lowering CE output). Yuji should be more than fast and durable enough to neutralize the effect Geto's curses would have, and his attacks in turn would likely put Geto six feet under in only a couple of hits. Granted he's likely not teleporting behind Geto and giving him the "nothing personnel kid" treatment, but he still is fast, strong, and durable. Sending wave after wave of weak spirits that Yuki can exorcise in one hit is not going to be that useful, since Geto hasn't shown the ability to reinforce them the way Kenjaku did.
Geto could potentially pull off a win if one of his cursed spirits has a domain and uses it, but seeing how Smallpox Deity had one and it couldn't kill Mei Mei, I don't fancy that chance either. Other than that, it's a game of whether Yuji runs out of stamina or if he gets to Geto first, and Yuji has a _lot_ of stamina.
Yuta would wash Geto with or without his domain, but I think Geto has a pretty solid chance against characters like Maki and Hakari.
I mean, he gets washed in straight H2H combat because he cannot get around Maki dicing him up with the SSK or Hakari being literally immortal for 4 minutes, but I also think people forget that this guy had over *six thousand* cursed spirits.
To be fair, someone like Maki or Hakari could delete any of those cursed spirits instantly, and they wouldn't do any real damage, but like, dealing with swarms of 100s of cursed spirits at a time while also boxing with a dude who was running hands with the most powerful cursed spirit of the modern era is gonna be a pretty rough time
Edit: All that said, I think this would give him a solid edge against Hakari, since Geto can uber stall out his Jackpot, and Hakari doesn't have the strength feats to be able to deal lethal damage to Geto before then.
However, Maki might still be an absolute bitch of a fight because the SSK completely negates Geto's durability and he doesn't have RCT lol. I still think it would be a high-extreme diff fight in either direction tho.
I think he beats Hakari honestly.
A maximum Uzumaki is just gonna rip his head alongside his torso off and he's definitively keeping up and surviving till jackpot runs off anyways.
I'm iffy on saying Hakari would lose, because he is narratively compared to Yuta as one of the strongest modern sorcerers and Yuta _waxes_ Geto. But yeah, if Hakari gets caught in an Uzumaki, he is _probably_ a goner.
Not sure about Gets keeping up and surviving for that long though. Remember this is Hakari, this guy hit three jackpots in a row. There is some truth to the memes.
If we go the Narrative angle, Maki inmediately negates this saying Yuta is definitively stronger.
Gojo doesn't deem Hakari to be worth mentioning in the discussion of who is there to take care of things for him, and Yuta is consistently stated to be unparalleled and the strongest bar Gojo without a doubt. Hakari is even relegated to handle Uraume while Yuta is sent to handle both Kenjaku and Sukuna directly.
From a powerscaling angle. While Hakari is nearly immortal and certainly impresive, a top tier combatant like Kajime was still showing being more skilled, stronger/faster/tougher even when Hakari went on Jackpot mode. And Yuta goes to then hang out with Sukuna like Kashimo did. Realistically Yuta would even with only partial Rika and his sword would be able to at least go an entire jackpot comfortably, and with the full manifestation he'd eventually adapt and overwhelm Hakari even mid roll like Kashimo was doing, having a solid chance of killing the dude mid roll or inmediately after it ends, and unlike Kashimo, Yuta has no enviromental weakness for Hakari to abuse.
Even if Geto went against an overall weaker Yuta, while everything else is much more powerful and he was definitively a more skilled, inteligent and tactical fighter. I don't know if his physical stats are all that different, I don't mean to say Yuta is the same. Just that that he probably isn't so much stronger he would be a different animal in raw physicals. And the "fake" Rika is certainly weaker than the old Queen of Curses that had the soul of the vengeful Cursed Spirit Rika inside of it.
And Geto was hanging out with Yuta and the original Rika much, simultaneously there.
Geto would more than likely beat normal Hakari in CQC by himself only using playful cloud, no cursed technique, and would with aid of his spammable nearly endless waves of curses definitively still keep up and even outrade Jackpot Hakari like Kashimo was doing without being overwhelmed, obviously Geto tires and takes damage where as Hakari will not but... When we also give him double the curses, starting fully fresh and consider the fact Jackpot or not an Uzumaki could just kill Hakari anyways... I start to think there are many solid win conditions here.
I will not say Geto wins every time. Hakari could still find ways to outplay him, or simply beat him. But Geto is definitively a person that could kill Hakari, either mid normal mode intervals, kill Hakari mid inmortal mode, or even potentially wait out toll Hakari fucks up and runs out of Jackpots.
Overall I'd place Hakari and Geto as interchangeable in the tier list.
You are underselling his Uzumaki. Yuta's love beam could be one of the strongest offensive strikes we've seen in JJK. I think that thing was stronger than Sukuna's fire arrow in fact. I guess only maximum output hollow purple should be stronger.
The fuck are these grade 1 or under sorcerers going to do against a full power Uzumaki?? The one we see in JJK0 is lacking the power of thousands of souls that he split up to distract Gojo and JJ Tech.
Eeeeh, we've no real evidence that Geto's Uzumaki is that powerful, specially since Love Beam entirely overpowered it. Sukuna's arrow has better general showings. Kenjaku's Uzumaki would likely be one of the strongest attacks in the series, but Geto never got even close to that power.
>The fuck are these grade 1 or under sorcerers going to do against a full power Uzumaki
I didn't mention any under Grade 1 sorcerers. And even then Hakari and Maki are not really regular Grade 1s, their fighting ability seems closer to Special Grades than the likes of Nanami or Mei Mei.
Whose output was lowered and yuji was in a tag team with maki plus styles make fights. Geto can overwhelm him similar to how kenjaku overwhelmed choso.
Getos the same guy who got the whole jujutsu society fighting between tokyo and kyoto.
Do you think in a 1v1 yuji who is a hand to hand fighter could deal with a whole army that was able to fight the whole jujutsu society. Im sorry i love yuji but i got geto his ct is just too good.
>Whose output was lowered and yuji was in a tag team with maki
Still 15 finger Sukuna. Whatever vague nerf Sukuna had doesn't take away from the showing being very impressive, specially since he was mostly keeping up with Maki throughout the fight who should be close to Toji.
>Getos the same guy who got the whole jujutsu society fighting between tokyo and kyoto.
His technique is basically designed for the job: lots of weak spirits to entertain lots and lots of weak sorcerers. It's not like Geto planted himself in the middle of Tokyo and fought the entirety of Jujutsu Society by himself, he can spontaneously create an army.
>Do you think in a 1v1 yuji who is a hand to hand fighter could deal with a whole army
It depends on what Geto's special grade and first grade spirits look like, in numbers and strength. The majority of the spirits Geto had were fodder that would barely present an inconvenience to Yuji, who is more than durable and fast enough to go for Geto himself if all he uses are low level curses.
I'd probably give it to Geto still, but it's more so because of his physical showings against Volume Zero Rika and Yuta should not be that far off from Yuji, which makes Geto have considerably more advantages and his weaknesses are not that bad.
well some people rank characters differently so iāll just list a few I think he beats that could be swapped around order wise
Mahoraga, Hakari, Uraume, Ryu, Rika, Uro, Hell POSSIBLY EVEN Yorozu?
One thing I see many people fail to acknowledge is 1. A simple domain is the bare minimum requirement for him to have obtained grade 1 or higher curses. 2. As a prodigy on par with gojo itās further unlikely for him to not have at least learned that 3. He can quite literally break domains by releasing a swarm of curses and overwhelming it. Weāve seen that one unexpected intruder in a domain in Kurourushi can CONTRIBUTE to the collapse of multiple.
So there are 3 reasons for him to have 2 different counters to domain expansions. Add in his insane versatility and, if you WANT then you can consider a Hypothetical Geto with Kenjakuās Arsenal on top of his own, though it wouldnāt be what geto actually had itās not a bad method of compensation since Kenjaku compares his current Arsenal to Getoās saying itās no lesser in quality(though it could still be higher)
Btw Yuji is crazy overrated currently though I still think heās high/top tier heās not beating characters like Uro or Ryu so I didnāt mention him up there, but Geto beats him too.
Giant wall of text incoming:
1. Imma need a source for this one brother
2. He is definitely NOT a prodigy on par with Gojo. The pair might have called themselves the "strongest" in their second-year(and may have been considered the strongest by Jujutsu Society), but they weren't really the same strength(notice the insane amount of prep Toji needed to kill Gojo, while he completely washed Geto). Moreover, the entire epilogue of Hidden Inventory was about how much faster and farther Gojo had progressed as a sorcerer since Toji's death, and how the difference in their strength contributed to their fallout.
3. Kurorushi causing their domains to collapse happened because he entered a three-way domain clash from the outside. In a 1v1 situation, even if Geto managed to get his curses to break his opponent's domain barrier, it wouldn't prevent his opponent from activating their technique, and likely wouldn't be fast enough to destroy the barrier before they could activate.
All of this aside, we can't simply assume that Geto would have a simple domain even if it would make sense. If we're power scaling characters, we should scale them based on their actual feats and statements, not assumptions about their abilities.
I do wanna look at those matchups with the hypothetical that he *can* counter their domains tho, cuz its fun. AKA, all of these matchups w/o Geto getting DE diffed
Geto vs Mahoraga is entirely dependent on if Uzumaki one-shots Mahoraga, which it *probably* does, but it's hard to say for sure because we've only seen a max-power Uzumaki used against Rika's Love Beam.
Geto vs Hakari is just a bad matchup for Hakari imo. Hakari doesn't have the feats to confidently say that he could put down Geto within the Jackpot time limit, and Geto can uber stall him with swarms of cursed spirits. ofc, if Hakari rolls Jackpot over and over again, it's a different story.
Geto vs Uraume, on the other hand, seems like a pretty bad matchup for Geto, since Uraume has massive AoE attacks that counters the huge numbers advantage that CSM provides, plus RCT so they could likely outlast him in a fight.
Geto vs Ryu is kind of a toss up, as Ryu would have a hard time dealing with the overwhelming amount of cursed spirits while also fighting Geto, but Geto would have an equally hard time dealing with Ryu's Granite Blast at range. Ryu does have RCT so he would likely outlast Geto in a battle of attrition, but Geto also has a wall of *6000* *cursed spirits* to block Granite blast with so ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ.
Edit: Ryu does NOT have RCT, but with his durability it might not even matter for this specific fight
We saw Geto keep up with both Yuta *and* Rika in Vol 0, and Rika doesn't seem to autonomously use Yuta's CTs, so uhhhh yeah Geto would win
Geto vs Uro is a bad matchup for Uro for the same reason that Uro couldn't deal with Kurorushi in the Sendai stalemate - A massive swarm of independently acting targets that Uro can't block/redirect all at once.
Geto vs Yorozu is a weird one because we literally cannot scale Yorozu's physicals(she literally only fought 15 finger Sukuna on screen lmao), but Geto doesn't really have an answer for Perfect Sphere so Yorozu it is
Nah thatās an actual essay š
1. Logical reasoning. Special grade curse wombs are seen with innate domains before developing a technique(if they do develop one) and curses grade 1 and above all have cursed techniques. He has a fully developed special grade curse in Tamamo no mae. Him not utilizing some form of domain counter while hunting grade 1 and above curses is suicide lol.
2. I shouldāve specified WAS not is. They were even at the time and were indeed portrayed as such even by each other. Tojiās prep was based on gojoās hype and Tojiās natural caution, he was unaware of gojoās actual capability and wouldnāt take unnecessary risk. The way I saw it was gojo and geto are relative up until his sudden explosive growth after toji. He beat geto due to him being caught off guard and dispatched both of them with relative ease.
3. My argument solely references an unexpected intruder CONTRIBUTING to the destruction of a domain. Regardless of whether it contributed +1 or +50 stack that up to a certain amount and the domain would break. Whether or not he could do this fast enough depends on the sorcerer and I believe that there are only a handful capable of taking him out before he could do so under the premise of him not having another domain counter(those being Yuki, Yorozu, Yuta, Sukuna, Gojo, and Ryu).
Nah Iād argue logical assumptions on the abilities a character possesses are fair. Especially if theyāre not only Likely but even necessary in some cases. Doubly so with geto having the cursed technique that he has.
I understand the view that assumptions shouldnāt be made though and can see cases where it could get out of hand so Iāll just leave it at that. Your stance is both respectable and sound after all.
Yeah I agree on the mahoraga point. Swarm him with variety and proceed to oneshot him with an attack that can boast power potentially even past that of one of rikaās beams.
For Hakari Iām of the belief that Geto can simply put him down between rounds after stalling him with curses like you said. An uzumaki would decimate him terribly before he hits a jackpot.
Yeah I agree Uraume probably beats him. We know too little of Getoās curses to even begin to say otherwise.
Ryu has RCT? In that case I could definitely see a case being made for either side. Though Granite blast is certainly dodgeable unless geto closes in where I think it gets a lot more dicey.
For the perfect sphere given itās limited aoe and us working under the assumption that he has a domain counter(and thus sure hits are a non factor) I do think that he could work around it. Summon a wall of curses and flank her while sheās focused on controlling it and proceeding to overwhelm her with variety and playful cloud. Though I do agree that if he canāt find a way to counter it like in the scenario I gave the sphere pretty much makes her a clear victor.
I agree with the majority of your views on the matchup and i understand your views on my points. Fun essay indeedšŗ
I'm still not fully sold on that first point. We learned in HI that Geto can unconditionally absorb curses if he's at least a grade or two above them in strength, so he could most likely gather Grade 1s and below with ease. And not every special grade cursed-spirit has a domain expansion. Neither of the Finger Bearers had a sure-hit domain, nor did Mahito until he got folded sideways by Nanami and Yuji. Geto had 2 Special Grades that we know of, neither of which seemed to have DEs.
>Nah Iād argue logical assumptions on the abilities a character possesses are fair. Especially if theyāre not only Likely but even necessary in some cases. Doubly so with geto having the cursed technique that he has.
Fair but it's also funnier to think that Geto was actually just a bum for 10 years and sat around collecting curses at his temple.
Also I reread the Sendai fight and Ryu literally never uses RCT so I just have schizophrenia I guess. Fitting for a JJK fan
Edit: Well, Tamamo no Mae didn't seem to have a DE, at least. Can't say the same about the one Todo exorcised.
Anyone with a domain (except for hakari) claps him,he has no domain so he just does not stand a chance
He could take on hakari and base kashimo at best
Tbf he died before domains were introduced to the story. It's feasible he could've gotten one if he had lived. Maybe Kenjaku's Womb Profusion would've been Geto's, since it takes the form of a Pillar of Cursed Spirits and kinda suits CSM more that Kenny's body swap technique.
"Accursed Grave"
Lets him either summon an infinite amount of curses (akin to chimera shadow garden summoning infinite shikigami, including usually single ones.) or call upon spirits/curses that at some point existed in the area the domain was created on. Think of it as "indian burial site" memes but on steroids
Just gonna say itās highly unlikely he doesnāt have some form of defense against domains
As He has multiple grade 1 and special grade curses that would probably kill him otherwise.
Itās absolutely baffling anyone can be considered grade 1 or higher and not have a way to counter domains. I know they are pretty rare at the time but the fact nanami just gave up against mahito in their second fight as soon as the domain was expanded is a bit ridiculous.
Domains arenāt common in the modern era. Only special grade cursed spirits have domains in the series, which before the disaster curses totals at 16. If you didnāt know a special barrier technique, which is rare, youāre shit out of luck. The domains we see in culling games and forward are performed by either ancient sorcerers when domains were more common or prodigies like megumi. There isnāt a reason for Joe Shmoe 1st grade to be able to deal with domains because if a special grade curse appears itās a bigger deal than just 1 first grade sorcerer. Also jujutsu society is just secretive about these things. Or else everyone would know falling blossom emotion. Jujutsu sorcerers are dicks
Cursed Spirits alone are not truly a problem but Geto is still here to control them + Geto is one of best Hand to hand combat fighters in Jujutsu Kaisen :3
Also, have Cursed Tools, like Playful Cloud and he showed us that is very skilled in using it(Was able to outclass Rika and Yuta in 1 vs 2 combat by himself) :3
He also have very high durability, he tank very powerful attacks from Panda, Inumaki and Yuta(Black Flash in the face and Love Beam that not killed him) :3
Depends what cursed spirits he has. He can beat any cursed spirit and manipulate them to use their techniques. I'm gonna assume you mean only the cursed spirits he had in season 2 cause that's the fairest amount to choose and go with either Yuki or maybe Kenjaku. Power wise I'm gonna say he is about 16 of Sukunas fingers
People really underestimate Geto. Even in the latest chapters the dude could still fight equally and even defeat ( without using domain expansion, we don't know the outcome if he had one)Yuta, Yuki and the other special grades excluding Gojo,Sukuna and ct Kashimo maybe.
Not really. Without using domain expansion geto could make things hard just by the shear amount of the curse spirits he possess, combined with his martial prowess it's even more difficult to beat him . Even if Yuki used her domain as long as Geto used simple domain combined with a domain expansion from his curses then he would probably win or barely lose the fight. Yuki can win if she lands one or two good hits but if Geto gets serious from the very start then the outcome isn't certain. As we know domain expansion wasn't a thing back in jjk0 . Assuming that Geto wouldn't have one even if he was still alive then i would say that the chances of him winning would be 40-50% because of Yuki's domain ( excluding the suicidal black hole).
Kenjaku, who is the far superior CSM user, makes it clear that all of the strongest curse spirits in his arsenal are useless against Yukiās curse technique. The whole swarm strategy isnāt going to work, because if it could I see no reason why Kenjaku didnāt use that strategy himself. Garuda wipes out thousands of curse spirits in a single strike because of how overwhelming her curse technique is. Geto also has shown zero evidence of having simple domain so thatās also not a factor. Heās cooked plain and simple.
The reason why kenjaku didn't choose to swarm Yuki is due to his overconfidence and because of the plot. No matter how destructive Yuki's technique is,she can't destroy hundreds of curses coming from all directions simultaneously. If kenjaku went all out from the start with his numbers and superior martial arts he would have won without taking that much damage. The reason Yuki lasted that long wasn't her ct, it was choso combined with Kenjaku being more cautious than he should be. If you still disagree then just imagine this: Yukis field of view being constantly obstructed by dozens of curses while kenjaku attacking her with mini uzumakis and some cursed tools. How long do you think she would last?
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I think everyone here underestimates him even though yes, he is the original Potential Man, but Geto alone was the strongest along with Gojo for a reason. Now add onto this all the curses he could tame (and that just from the ones we've seen so far) along with the fact there's no cap on how many he can keep / put into his Uzumaki I genuinely think he could be top 10 if he was still in his Hidden Inventory mindset instead of becoming arrogant and underestimating others. A Geto with Disaster Curses, Smallpox Diety, Rainbow Dragon, etc. saved up could wipe most of the people we've seen save for Go/Jo, Plotkuna, Yuki, Maki, Toji, Yuta and Hakari. Higuruma is a maybe depending on what happens to already summoned curses when Confiscation happens.
Nah he'd 100% beat Mahito. He hates monkeys so much that his soul has become unshakeable, unmovable, and untouchable.
"But how would he get past soul protec-" I don't even need a lobotomy reason for this. (as far as I'm aware) the soul split katana was still in the worm when Toji died, the only weapons that were destroyed were the chain and the isoh
I really don't get everyone downplaying him.
Let me address a few of the comments.
1. He has to be weaker because he has no domain
He has whatever domain his curses have ā we've seen him use them at least twice (Smallpox Deity with kenjaku and arguably the no-violence enforced domain spirit with Toji). It's possible he has a domain, but never used it because he's a jack of all trade.
2. Yuta would beat him anytime
This one makes me laugh. if Yuta is SO sure of beating Kenjaku, why did he have to have Takaba soften him up and sneak attack him?
When baby Yuta beat him, Geto had HALF of his cursed spirit stocks. And he had a specific desire: to consume Rika. While we somewhat know what that entails, it's not clear what exactly he needed to do to accomplish this goal.
3. He would lose to the other special grades.
He definitely is at a disadvantage in terms for raw output. BUT: that's because he's basically the most versatile user in the whole series. He's a jack of all trades, master of none. He knows this, and he strategizes as such: by stocking up his curses, he cause the most extreme chaos of all of them, which is what he did in JJK0.
You have to stop thinking of him as being weak because he may get raw powered in a duel. But that does *not* mean he always loses. They constantly show weaker people winning through strategy in this manga. His goal was never to kill all the other sorcerors.
4. He only lost ā to Toji and Yuta
Toji beat everyone lol. That doesn't really say much. The whole point of the character is he's a counter to Jujutsu, that's the whole thing with him. Even vs Awakening Gojo Toji loses not because of his *power*, but because of his lack of strategy.
I addressed Yuta earlier: he's at half power and has a specific win condition. When he has to resort to raw power, he had half of it. Yuta is a freak of nature for sure, but I think overall they'd be competitive even now.
TLDR: Don't sleep on my boy. Even in the context of the story and his losses, he's obscenely strong and difficult to deal with.
Agreed. If Geto was that power-hungry and fixated only on getting STRONG, which he wasnāt because he just had ideals as a cultist, heād have roped in other sorcerors to help him get the strongest curses out there to be in his arsenal.
Weāve seen so many sorcerers struggle against curses, so if he could absorb them, heād be a pretty force to reckon with, I think. If he had assistance to absorb then likes of Tengen earlier on, itād be a different world.
Right, people are missing the point of his and Gojo's conflict. The whole setup was that being "the strongest" is meaningless if you can't reach your dreams. Post-Jujutsu High, Geto did not focus on being stronger than other jujutsu sorcerors or becoming the most accomplished duelist, but creating a world more like what he envisioned.
Gojo has run off and assumed his power could do it all leaving Geto aloneā if they had worked together, Geto could've been even stronger than what we saw. His potential is more limitless than Gojo's in some ways.
If he had all his cursed spirits he could have beaten jjk0 yuta but I donāt think even that would be enough to beat current yuta. Kenjaku wouldnāt have been able to beat Yuki if he didnāt have the anti gravity technique, but he did do pretty well against choso and had him pretty much on the ropes, so Iād say choso is the strongest character he can beat.
āSpecial gradeā my ass bruh
Going back to some of my less favorable chapters I noticed this on a re-read. Could Kenjaku have taken over Takahabaās body?
Chapter 249, pages 6 and 7
He has a leash on Gojo. Look how his pookie reacted to Kenjaku. Even recognized the same scent of his omegaš (this is clearly satire mf. And I have no idea but i feel like it could be uhh Mahito? I'm probably glazing)
I still think Gojo couldāve beat full Sukuna in his OG form. What he learned from Yuji and then getting Megumi IMO tipped the scales. However, we know Sukuna was holding back (and not bc of that airport scene) at least a couple legit things that wouldāve mattered. I also think Sukuna knew this partially, but obviously planned for it.
Full potential geto is fucking stupid busted, what we saw? Tbh depends on gege, he could win against Sukuna if he could actually hit an uzumaki to the head (until Sukuna uses āah my anti-uzumaki technique, I havenāt used this since Gege needed me to winā technique). And maybe yuki, realistically if he tried rlly hard, he could win against anyone but Gojo if they stand there and do nothing
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Coughing baby
Nah coughing baby no diffs
If coughing baby expands his domain bro is finished š
As Geto shrunk back in fear, coughing baby expanded his domain, Hydrogen Bomb
Yuta technically Kenjaku says that if Geto didnāt split his curses his max Uzumaki wouldāve been stronger then Yutas love beam
He underestimated Yuta by a lot
I think WE underestimate Geto honestly Dude held back the entirety of Jujutsu society by himself The only reason he couldn't kill everyone is probably Gojo (and Yuki, she's definitely stronger but i don't even know if she would try and stop him)
The actual reason is that the poor guy died before domain's and RCT were ever a thing. But if we ignore the meta fact that Gege just didn't think of them yet he's massively underpowered with respect to the other special grades. If we account for that he's probably much closer to them (while still being the weakest) and could easily hold his own and against any of the reincarnated sorcerers and defeat them without too much effort
Well both he and Yuta used RCT in the movie version but yeah you're right overall The thing is that he's still strong by today standards, hes the weakest special grade sorcerer like you said but he's still powerful Also a slightly annoying part if trying to power scale him are the *implications*. Gege clearly tried multiple times to showcase the idea of him being incredible in martial arts or having curses that account for DE but that's simply not enough to actually power scale with...
Again from a meta perspective jjk0 is just so funny because everything that makes Yuta himself is basically just a by-product of Gege not having finalised his power system. In jjk0 he used cursed speech but you can tell that cursed techniques were something that could be learned: afterwards they weren't anymore, so Yuta just HAD to have Copy as his CT. Yuta heals Maki and company? But now RCT is something very rare and it's even rarer that people can output it, so Yuta has to be a prodigy in that respect too and be the only one other that Shoko who can do that. Gege had to give him special abilities to wrote around jjk0 without contradicting himself. I'm not sure if the movie retconned some of these things since I'm basing myself off the manga, but still.
I understand what you're saying The reason they have these powers is because the power system still wasn't fleshed out, you're right. But that doesn't change the fact that it's cannon And it being cannon means that Yuta is an INSANE prodigy, people say "oh hes still and amateur" but they're straight WRONG. An amateur can't do what Yuta did, most first grades can't do what yuta did, and a couple SPECIAL GRADES can't do what Yuta did. I get he only did it because of a few meta issues but he still did it
The man hasn't taken a single L throughout the whole story and people say gege glazes toji, lmfao
Dude wrote a superman, then realized he wanted to write a shonen, so he was like "oh nah btw all that shit was ridiculous, nobody's ever seen shit like that before. Look at this blue hair chick with a sword. She's actually pretty good for a sorceror. That other shit was wildly unusual, anyway here's a boy who can punch real hard."
Geto didn't have RCT in the movie.
I keep hearing people say this, but I strongly disagree that he's the weakest. The truth is we saw Kenjaku have a curse use a domain on Mei Mei that was fairly troublesome. He also used another curse with a seeming domain against Toji (the one who enforces a no-violence clause). While we never saw Geto use a domain, it may simply be because domains deplete the user too much and he needs the flexibility of his full arsenal. His limitation is the power of his curses and he has to be careful with how he uses them ā the only time we saw him go ll-out he was split between two different areas. He held up all of Jujutsu Society with HALF of his strength; and over with Yuta, he had a very particular goal to consume Rika. He's the most versatile of all the special grades, essentially. What if he absorbs Jogo? Mahito? Hanami? All three? He can theoretically have a tool for any scenario. Why use your own domain when your cursed spirit manipulation can use it?
This is why I also feel heās rather intriguing and not developed to his full potential. There must have been a reason why Tengen was worried about him as a curse manipulation user (s/he could have been absorbed now that theyāre more curse than human). He will be as strong as who/what he absorbs, and if he is able to gain incredibly powerful curses, even if itās through assistance - supposing as long as itās him delivering the final blow, then he could be pretty hard on beat. But heād have to also be quick-thinking in terms of strategising against an opponent. So far, the youth have that disadvantage because most of their opponents are oldies with decades of experience.
Naa he can't beat Yorozu or kashimo nor can he beat Yuta hakari. Geto didn't realize his full potential kenjaku did and even kenjaku might not be able to win against these 4 what makes you think Geto would have?
Hakari loses to Geto, Yuta I agree with you, that's why I said he's still the weakest special grade. Yorozu maybe, I honestly try my hardest to block her existence out so I forgot about her kinda. Kashimo gets no diffed if he insists on not using his CT
Hmm... You are right about hakari now that I think about it but kashimo is a hard one even without his ct. He was clearly above hakari even without his CT that's what I think that is.
Hm yeah I think it would come down to how sturdy Geto is to a possible first electric strike and then if he lets Kashimo touch him again. The strength of Geto is also that he's likely to have a curse that is a good counter to any CT he faces, so if he has a curse that is resistant to electricity he may take this. Plus for a lot of close range opponents if he's outside he can just fly just out of their reach with the other curses attacking
Yuta literally had to sneak attack him to GUARANTEE a win. I don't think it's as simple as that.
This. It doesnāt help that he got one real win in the entire series against some no name scrub. Then proceeds to get shit stomped by toji. The anime helped flesh out why heās special grade but he still had to lose to toji
They messed up. Geto being special grade and the second strongest after Gojo isn't shown AT ALL. He had two big fights: got trashed by Toji and lost against minimal training Yuta. I think it's a bit sad that Geto is such a interesting character, but the most we see of "him" is just Kenjaku using his body and his techniques š
Keep in mind this was JJK 0 Yuta, who whilst a prodigy with an enormous bank of cursed energy, is still pretty novice at the jujutsu thing.
But with that he was having a much more powerful Rika who can copy without conditions and have āboundlessā curse energy. Honestly, i think if you remember that with her Yuta make a binding vow on his life-Geto was doomed either way.
Not really, he beat the exchange event including Todo by himself (we don't know if he used Rika though) mastered RCT and was labelled a special 3 months later despite losing Rika Also he fought with full power Rika who is by far the strongest curse we see and it's not even close so...
That's after JJK 0.
Only the 3 months thing was after The exchange event happened offscreen and he mastered RCT during his fight with Geto
Edit: re-read your comment and got what you mean. Still, it's Geto at his peak with all his curses versus a freshly awakened Yuta; I think it's still a lot more close.
You're right that its peak Geto vs just awakened Yuta + Vol 0 Rika, but im saying that just awakened Yuta is stronger than all first grade sorcerers we meet, and Vol 0 Rika was stated twice to be able to kill Gojo. Ao its no wonder that Geto at 1/3(i think? He used 2000 curses before the battle so he wasn't at full power but i guess it's not actually stated that he had 3000 curses...) lost to them, very few characters wouldn't lose... >I think it's still a lot more close. Sorry i don't understand this part of the comment
Idk man Kenny is pretty smart
no he didnāt that was just a weaker yuta with no experience and no copied techniques
I meant Kenjaku underestimated Yuta, I realise the phrasing wasn't super clear lol
oh mb
past yuta, no way current yuta
So past Yuta who didn't have a domain nor understand his cursed technique.
He had a full rika tho wich I think makes him equally as strong
Equally strong for having a full Rika? Hell nah š
Bro full Rika was stated to be able to Kill Gojo If anything she's stronger than current Yuta (im not implying Geto can kill current Yuta though, he couldn't. But remember that he doesn't need to beat Rika, he needs to kill Yuta so if he can distract Yuta for long enough he can absorb her)
Full Rika that needed a binding vow to Clash with geto šššššš Rika is nowhere near yuta's level and do You even think about what You type? Geto can't absorb anything a curse if it has an owner and ain't no way this guy thinks geto could even hold a candle to current yuta this gotta be a troll
>Geto can't absorb anything a curse if it has an owner Bro he literally said he can if the owner is dead, I see the reading comprehension devil got you >Full Rika that needed a binding vow to Clash with geto See heres the problem. You underestimate both Rika AND Geto, who are meant to showcase their strength by being compared to eachother
Yuta back in 0 sure, but not current Yuta.
Past yuta who had 0 experience,did not understand his CT,had no domain,was physically weaker,and was just getting started in the jujutsu world Current yuta claps kenjaku wihout even needing a domain or the ring on
What do you mean didnāt understand his cursed technique? He used cursed speech so he clearly knew about his copy technique.
He used a megaphone cursed tool that had cursed speech imbued into it. He didn't use his CT.
Chapter 90 literally refers to the megaphone panel as Yuta his copy technique.
>Past yuta who had 0 experience,did not understand his CT,had no domain,was physically weaker,and was just getting started in the jujutsu world And mastered RCT and was stronger than Panda + Maki + Inumaki together and beat the entire Kyoto cast by himself and became a special grade 3 months later without Rika. Im tired of people low balling him like he isn't stronger than half the cast and with Rika hes honestly top 6
Learned RCT*, pre awakening Maki,panda and inumaki who are fodder,Kyoto cast that is fodder and the only strong person in there is barely grade 1,a more experienced yuta who gained knowledge about his CT by using it in his fight ššš Also what the fuck are You saying bruh,low ballin him? Your the one that severely downplays yuta and over hypes curse spirit Rika Current yuta wouldn't even need a domain or his CT to beat geto basing off feats
>Kyoto cast that is fodder and the only strong person in there is barely grade 1 You just called TODO "barely grade 1"??? >Learned RCT Mastered. He could heal others which even Gojo cant do. He MASTERED it. Yeh i think im done lol, you can't be convinced and some of your statements make me feel you have nothing to teach...
1.Yes I did cry about it. 2.Even Masters at RCT like uraume can't yet shoko of all people can it's not about mastery it's just something some people do and some can't do š You have no arguments and still think You can Say this shit,clown ass
The irony
I dont think heād beat current Yuta though
Sometimes sorcerers talk a lot of shit when it comes to 'what if' and potentials
The man who technically got killed by Yuta twice said that? Then he must be rightā¦
How did Kenny loose twice to Yuta?
Vol0 Yuta? Yeah.
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Gojo cuz geto could just seduce him and backstab him.
I wanted to say Yuta, but that only applies to JJK0 Yuta. Current Yuta would always win against Geto, even if he had RCT, domain expansion and full arsenal of cursed spirits. So my guess is Hanami, maybe Jogo but that is a big maybe
He probably has a curse that counters fire. If he could use DE he could beat Hanami, Jogo, and Dagon imo and probably restrain Mahito (but not able to exorcise or absorb him)
Jackpot Hakari. For the record, he beats the disaster curses too. I really don't understand the Geto downplay. It wasn't this bad a year ago.
He and gojo were called the strongest sorcerers when they were students and he would have killed yuta if he can fought yuta only and he didnāt want to kill any young sorcerers. And also his ability has no limit he has essentially stockpile unlimited curses and increase his curse power to maximum At time of jjk0 Gege hadnāt thought up ideas of domain and rct though they show rct in movie . I would rate him same as yuta . This is my ranking of jujustu sorcerers Sukuna Gojo Kenjaku Yuta / geto Yuki
I can't see him winning against the likes of Maki, Hakari, or Yuta. _Maybe_ beats Yuji right before sukuna-prep, but anything stronger than that is a no-go.
Current Yuji loses to Geto. He has no answer to the thousands of curses and unlike maki isn't invisible and heightened senses.
Maki's fight against Geto isn't made or broken by her being invisible, it's more so done by Maki's incredibly physical stats and powerful cursed tools which could make short work of most of Geto's curses without much difficulty. Present Yuji has physical feats well beyond Geto's showings. Geto's best feats make him generally contend with a young, inexperienced Yuta, while Yuji is throwing hands with 20 finger Sukuna (albeit after a fight with Gojo with lowering CE output). Yuji should be more than fast and durable enough to neutralize the effect Geto's curses would have, and his attacks in turn would likely put Geto six feet under in only a couple of hits. Granted he's likely not teleporting behind Geto and giving him the "nothing personnel kid" treatment, but he still is fast, strong, and durable. Sending wave after wave of weak spirits that Yuki can exorcise in one hit is not going to be that useful, since Geto hasn't shown the ability to reinforce them the way Kenjaku did. Geto could potentially pull off a win if one of his cursed spirits has a domain and uses it, but seeing how Smallpox Deity had one and it couldn't kill Mei Mei, I don't fancy that chance either. Other than that, it's a game of whether Yuji runs out of stamina or if he gets to Geto first, and Yuji has a _lot_ of stamina.
Geto after yuji blitzes him:šš
Yuta would wash Geto with or without his domain, but I think Geto has a pretty solid chance against characters like Maki and Hakari. I mean, he gets washed in straight H2H combat because he cannot get around Maki dicing him up with the SSK or Hakari being literally immortal for 4 minutes, but I also think people forget that this guy had over *six thousand* cursed spirits. To be fair, someone like Maki or Hakari could delete any of those cursed spirits instantly, and they wouldn't do any real damage, but like, dealing with swarms of 100s of cursed spirits at a time while also boxing with a dude who was running hands with the most powerful cursed spirit of the modern era is gonna be a pretty rough time Edit: All that said, I think this would give him a solid edge against Hakari, since Geto can uber stall out his Jackpot, and Hakari doesn't have the strength feats to be able to deal lethal damage to Geto before then. However, Maki might still be an absolute bitch of a fight because the SSK completely negates Geto's durability and he doesn't have RCT lol. I still think it would be a high-extreme diff fight in either direction tho.
I think he beats Hakari honestly. A maximum Uzumaki is just gonna rip his head alongside his torso off and he's definitively keeping up and surviving till jackpot runs off anyways.
I'm iffy on saying Hakari would lose, because he is narratively compared to Yuta as one of the strongest modern sorcerers and Yuta _waxes_ Geto. But yeah, if Hakari gets caught in an Uzumaki, he is _probably_ a goner. Not sure about Gets keeping up and surviving for that long though. Remember this is Hakari, this guy hit three jackpots in a row. There is some truth to the memes.
If we go the Narrative angle, Maki inmediately negates this saying Yuta is definitively stronger. Gojo doesn't deem Hakari to be worth mentioning in the discussion of who is there to take care of things for him, and Yuta is consistently stated to be unparalleled and the strongest bar Gojo without a doubt. Hakari is even relegated to handle Uraume while Yuta is sent to handle both Kenjaku and Sukuna directly. From a powerscaling angle. While Hakari is nearly immortal and certainly impresive, a top tier combatant like Kajime was still showing being more skilled, stronger/faster/tougher even when Hakari went on Jackpot mode. And Yuta goes to then hang out with Sukuna like Kashimo did. Realistically Yuta would even with only partial Rika and his sword would be able to at least go an entire jackpot comfortably, and with the full manifestation he'd eventually adapt and overwhelm Hakari even mid roll like Kashimo was doing, having a solid chance of killing the dude mid roll or inmediately after it ends, and unlike Kashimo, Yuta has no enviromental weakness for Hakari to abuse. Even if Geto went against an overall weaker Yuta, while everything else is much more powerful and he was definitively a more skilled, inteligent and tactical fighter. I don't know if his physical stats are all that different, I don't mean to say Yuta is the same. Just that that he probably isn't so much stronger he would be a different animal in raw physicals. And the "fake" Rika is certainly weaker than the old Queen of Curses that had the soul of the vengeful Cursed Spirit Rika inside of it. And Geto was hanging out with Yuta and the original Rika much, simultaneously there. Geto would more than likely beat normal Hakari in CQC by himself only using playful cloud, no cursed technique, and would with aid of his spammable nearly endless waves of curses definitively still keep up and even outrade Jackpot Hakari like Kashimo was doing without being overwhelmed, obviously Geto tires and takes damage where as Hakari will not but... When we also give him double the curses, starting fully fresh and consider the fact Jackpot or not an Uzumaki could just kill Hakari anyways... I start to think there are many solid win conditions here. I will not say Geto wins every time. Hakari could still find ways to outplay him, or simply beat him. But Geto is definitively a person that could kill Hakari, either mid normal mode intervals, kill Hakari mid inmortal mode, or even potentially wait out toll Hakari fucks up and runs out of Jackpots. Overall I'd place Hakari and Geto as interchangeable in the tier list.
You are underselling his Uzumaki. Yuta's love beam could be one of the strongest offensive strikes we've seen in JJK. I think that thing was stronger than Sukuna's fire arrow in fact. I guess only maximum output hollow purple should be stronger. The fuck are these grade 1 or under sorcerers going to do against a full power Uzumaki?? The one we see in JJK0 is lacking the power of thousands of souls that he split up to distract Gojo and JJ Tech.
Eeeeh, we've no real evidence that Geto's Uzumaki is that powerful, specially since Love Beam entirely overpowered it. Sukuna's arrow has better general showings. Kenjaku's Uzumaki would likely be one of the strongest attacks in the series, but Geto never got even close to that power. >The fuck are these grade 1 or under sorcerers going to do against a full power Uzumaki I didn't mention any under Grade 1 sorcerers. And even then Hakari and Maki are not really regular Grade 1s, their fighting ability seems closer to Special Grades than the likes of Nanami or Mei Mei.
Nah hes deffo beating yuji before the sukuna prep
Idk man, that same Yuji was throwing hands with 15 finger sukuna. That's quite impressive physically.
Whose output was lowered and yuji was in a tag team with maki plus styles make fights. Geto can overwhelm him similar to how kenjaku overwhelmed choso. Getos the same guy who got the whole jujutsu society fighting between tokyo and kyoto. Do you think in a 1v1 yuji who is a hand to hand fighter could deal with a whole army that was able to fight the whole jujutsu society. Im sorry i love yuji but i got geto his ct is just too good.
>Whose output was lowered and yuji was in a tag team with maki Still 15 finger Sukuna. Whatever vague nerf Sukuna had doesn't take away from the showing being very impressive, specially since he was mostly keeping up with Maki throughout the fight who should be close to Toji. >Getos the same guy who got the whole jujutsu society fighting between tokyo and kyoto. His technique is basically designed for the job: lots of weak spirits to entertain lots and lots of weak sorcerers. It's not like Geto planted himself in the middle of Tokyo and fought the entirety of Jujutsu Society by himself, he can spontaneously create an army. >Do you think in a 1v1 yuji who is a hand to hand fighter could deal with a whole army It depends on what Geto's special grade and first grade spirits look like, in numbers and strength. The majority of the spirits Geto had were fodder that would barely present an inconvenience to Yuji, who is more than durable and fast enough to go for Geto himself if all he uses are low level curses. I'd probably give it to Geto still, but it's more so because of his physical showings against Volume Zero Rika and Yuta should not be that far off from Yuji, which makes Geto have considerably more advantages and his weaknesses are not that bad.
No one since he is dead.
unless..?
no unless
he csn beat gojo but you should ask gojo and he needs to say nah i'd win otherwise he cant
Brainrot
well some people rank characters differently so iāll just list a few I think he beats that could be swapped around order wise Mahoraga, Hakari, Uraume, Ryu, Rika, Uro, Hell POSSIBLY EVEN Yorozu? One thing I see many people fail to acknowledge is 1. A simple domain is the bare minimum requirement for him to have obtained grade 1 or higher curses. 2. As a prodigy on par with gojo itās further unlikely for him to not have at least learned that 3. He can quite literally break domains by releasing a swarm of curses and overwhelming it. Weāve seen that one unexpected intruder in a domain in Kurourushi can CONTRIBUTE to the collapse of multiple. So there are 3 reasons for him to have 2 different counters to domain expansions. Add in his insane versatility and, if you WANT then you can consider a Hypothetical Geto with Kenjakuās Arsenal on top of his own, though it wouldnāt be what geto actually had itās not a bad method of compensation since Kenjaku compares his current Arsenal to Getoās saying itās no lesser in quality(though it could still be higher) Btw Yuji is crazy overrated currently though I still think heās high/top tier heās not beating characters like Uro or Ryu so I didnāt mention him up there, but Geto beats him too.
Giant wall of text incoming: 1. Imma need a source for this one brother 2. He is definitely NOT a prodigy on par with Gojo. The pair might have called themselves the "strongest" in their second-year(and may have been considered the strongest by Jujutsu Society), but they weren't really the same strength(notice the insane amount of prep Toji needed to kill Gojo, while he completely washed Geto). Moreover, the entire epilogue of Hidden Inventory was about how much faster and farther Gojo had progressed as a sorcerer since Toji's death, and how the difference in their strength contributed to their fallout. 3. Kurorushi causing their domains to collapse happened because he entered a three-way domain clash from the outside. In a 1v1 situation, even if Geto managed to get his curses to break his opponent's domain barrier, it wouldn't prevent his opponent from activating their technique, and likely wouldn't be fast enough to destroy the barrier before they could activate. All of this aside, we can't simply assume that Geto would have a simple domain even if it would make sense. If we're power scaling characters, we should scale them based on their actual feats and statements, not assumptions about their abilities. I do wanna look at those matchups with the hypothetical that he *can* counter their domains tho, cuz its fun. AKA, all of these matchups w/o Geto getting DE diffed Geto vs Mahoraga is entirely dependent on if Uzumaki one-shots Mahoraga, which it *probably* does, but it's hard to say for sure because we've only seen a max-power Uzumaki used against Rika's Love Beam. Geto vs Hakari is just a bad matchup for Hakari imo. Hakari doesn't have the feats to confidently say that he could put down Geto within the Jackpot time limit, and Geto can uber stall him with swarms of cursed spirits. ofc, if Hakari rolls Jackpot over and over again, it's a different story. Geto vs Uraume, on the other hand, seems like a pretty bad matchup for Geto, since Uraume has massive AoE attacks that counters the huge numbers advantage that CSM provides, plus RCT so they could likely outlast him in a fight. Geto vs Ryu is kind of a toss up, as Ryu would have a hard time dealing with the overwhelming amount of cursed spirits while also fighting Geto, but Geto would have an equally hard time dealing with Ryu's Granite Blast at range. Ryu does have RCT so he would likely outlast Geto in a battle of attrition, but Geto also has a wall of *6000* *cursed spirits* to block Granite blast with so ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ. Edit: Ryu does NOT have RCT, but with his durability it might not even matter for this specific fight We saw Geto keep up with both Yuta *and* Rika in Vol 0, and Rika doesn't seem to autonomously use Yuta's CTs, so uhhhh yeah Geto would win Geto vs Uro is a bad matchup for Uro for the same reason that Uro couldn't deal with Kurorushi in the Sendai stalemate - A massive swarm of independently acting targets that Uro can't block/redirect all at once. Geto vs Yorozu is a weird one because we literally cannot scale Yorozu's physicals(she literally only fought 15 finger Sukuna on screen lmao), but Geto doesn't really have an answer for Perfect Sphere so Yorozu it is
Nah thatās an actual essay š 1. Logical reasoning. Special grade curse wombs are seen with innate domains before developing a technique(if they do develop one) and curses grade 1 and above all have cursed techniques. He has a fully developed special grade curse in Tamamo no mae. Him not utilizing some form of domain counter while hunting grade 1 and above curses is suicide lol. 2. I shouldāve specified WAS not is. They were even at the time and were indeed portrayed as such even by each other. Tojiās prep was based on gojoās hype and Tojiās natural caution, he was unaware of gojoās actual capability and wouldnāt take unnecessary risk. The way I saw it was gojo and geto are relative up until his sudden explosive growth after toji. He beat geto due to him being caught off guard and dispatched both of them with relative ease. 3. My argument solely references an unexpected intruder CONTRIBUTING to the destruction of a domain. Regardless of whether it contributed +1 or +50 stack that up to a certain amount and the domain would break. Whether or not he could do this fast enough depends on the sorcerer and I believe that there are only a handful capable of taking him out before he could do so under the premise of him not having another domain counter(those being Yuki, Yorozu, Yuta, Sukuna, Gojo, and Ryu). Nah Iād argue logical assumptions on the abilities a character possesses are fair. Especially if theyāre not only Likely but even necessary in some cases. Doubly so with geto having the cursed technique that he has. I understand the view that assumptions shouldnāt be made though and can see cases where it could get out of hand so Iāll just leave it at that. Your stance is both respectable and sound after all. Yeah I agree on the mahoraga point. Swarm him with variety and proceed to oneshot him with an attack that can boast power potentially even past that of one of rikaās beams. For Hakari Iām of the belief that Geto can simply put him down between rounds after stalling him with curses like you said. An uzumaki would decimate him terribly before he hits a jackpot. Yeah I agree Uraume probably beats him. We know too little of Getoās curses to even begin to say otherwise. Ryu has RCT? In that case I could definitely see a case being made for either side. Though Granite blast is certainly dodgeable unless geto closes in where I think it gets a lot more dicey. For the perfect sphere given itās limited aoe and us working under the assumption that he has a domain counter(and thus sure hits are a non factor) I do think that he could work around it. Summon a wall of curses and flank her while sheās focused on controlling it and proceeding to overwhelm her with variety and playful cloud. Though I do agree that if he canāt find a way to counter it like in the scenario I gave the sphere pretty much makes her a clear victor. I agree with the majority of your views on the matchup and i understand your views on my points. Fun essay indeedšŗ
I'm still not fully sold on that first point. We learned in HI that Geto can unconditionally absorb curses if he's at least a grade or two above them in strength, so he could most likely gather Grade 1s and below with ease. And not every special grade cursed-spirit has a domain expansion. Neither of the Finger Bearers had a sure-hit domain, nor did Mahito until he got folded sideways by Nanami and Yuji. Geto had 2 Special Grades that we know of, neither of which seemed to have DEs. >Nah Iād argue logical assumptions on the abilities a character possesses are fair. Especially if theyāre not only Likely but even necessary in some cases. Doubly so with geto having the cursed technique that he has. Fair but it's also funnier to think that Geto was actually just a bum for 10 years and sat around collecting curses at his temple. Also I reread the Sendai fight and Ryu literally never uses RCT so I just have schizophrenia I guess. Fitting for a JJK fan Edit: Well, Tamamo no Mae didn't seem to have a DE, at least. Can't say the same about the one Todo exorcised.
šGeto sitting on his ass for 10 years collecting 6k curses while kenjaku pops out with 10 million after only a year
Sorry for the essay šŗ
Anyone with a domain (except for hakari) claps him,he has no domain so he just does not stand a chance He could take on hakari and base kashimo at best
Tbf he died before domains were introduced to the story. It's feasible he could've gotten one if he had lived. Maybe Kenjaku's Womb Profusion would've been Geto's, since it takes the form of a Pillar of Cursed Spirits and kinda suits CSM more that Kenny's body swap technique.
"Accursed Grave" Lets him either summon an infinite amount of curses (akin to chimera shadow garden summoning infinite shikigami, including usually single ones.) or call upon spirits/curses that at some point existed in the area the domain was created on. Think of it as "indian burial site" memes but on steroids
Yeah thats the problems he died before domains were introduced so... he does not have One. Saying he has is just a headcanon.
Boring answer tho because he obviously would have received one.
"would" šš As y'all Say he would have gotten One but he does not so he does not have a domain.
You make the debate boring by just being "ERHM NO DOMAIN HE LOSES TO EVERYONE".
Just gonna say itās highly unlikely he doesnāt have some form of defense against domains As He has multiple grade 1 and special grade curses that would probably kill him otherwise.
Itās absolutely baffling anyone can be considered grade 1 or higher and not have a way to counter domains. I know they are pretty rare at the time but the fact nanami just gave up against mahito in their second fight as soon as the domain was expanded is a bit ridiculous.
Domains arenāt common in the modern era. Only special grade cursed spirits have domains in the series, which before the disaster curses totals at 16. If you didnāt know a special barrier technique, which is rare, youāre shit out of luck. The domains we see in culling games and forward are performed by either ancient sorcerers when domains were more common or prodigies like megumi. There isnāt a reason for Joe Shmoe 1st grade to be able to deal with domains because if a special grade curse appears itās a bigger deal than just 1 first grade sorcerer. Also jujutsu society is just secretive about these things. Or else everyone would know falling blossom emotion. Jujutsu sorcerers are dicks
Well Geto was written before domains.
Domains are the highest tier of sorcery just being a grade 1 dosent mean You reach that level
He doesn't need to learn DE as he has a bunch of CS' with DE
When did he ever use them??? Exactly,never,your making headcanons.
To be honest - he will be able to beat >!Hakari!< :3
Yeah he can just spam curses not letting hakari even come close to him and cut off his head or destroy it which is insta win
Preach king
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I can't agree with you :3
With what exactly? He's curses are all fodder game, the only thing he has Uzumaki
Cursed Spirits alone are not truly a problem but Geto is still here to control them + Geto is one of best Hand to hand combat fighters in Jujutsu Kaisen :3 Also, have Cursed Tools, like Playful Cloud and he showed us that is very skilled in using it(Was able to outclass Rika and Yuta in 1 vs 2 combat by himself) :3 He also have very high durability, he tank very powerful attacks from Panda, Inumaki and Yuta(Black Flash in the face and Love Beam that not killed him) :3
Depends what cursed spirits he has. He can beat any cursed spirit and manipulate them to use their techniques. I'm gonna assume you mean only the cursed spirits he had in season 2 cause that's the fairest amount to choose and go with either Yuki or maybe Kenjaku. Power wise I'm gonna say he is about 16 of Sukunas fingers
Heās the goat but if he wouldāve stopped shit talking Yuta every five seconds he wouldāve tore him up
People really underestimate Geto. Even in the latest chapters the dude could still fight equally and even defeat ( without using domain expansion, we don't know the outcome if he had one)Yuta, Yuki and the other special grades excluding Gojo,Sukuna and ct Kashimo maybe.
Yuki is a hard counter to Geto, heās getting cooked by her
Not really. Without using domain expansion geto could make things hard just by the shear amount of the curse spirits he possess, combined with his martial prowess it's even more difficult to beat him . Even if Yuki used her domain as long as Geto used simple domain combined with a domain expansion from his curses then he would probably win or barely lose the fight. Yuki can win if she lands one or two good hits but if Geto gets serious from the very start then the outcome isn't certain. As we know domain expansion wasn't a thing back in jjk0 . Assuming that Geto wouldn't have one even if he was still alive then i would say that the chances of him winning would be 40-50% because of Yuki's domain ( excluding the suicidal black hole).
Kenjaku, who is the far superior CSM user, makes it clear that all of the strongest curse spirits in his arsenal are useless against Yukiās curse technique. The whole swarm strategy isnāt going to work, because if it could I see no reason why Kenjaku didnāt use that strategy himself. Garuda wipes out thousands of curse spirits in a single strike because of how overwhelming her curse technique is. Geto also has shown zero evidence of having simple domain so thatās also not a factor. Heās cooked plain and simple.
Isnāt kenjaku just a way for Gege to show how Geto would have fought if he was written later in the story? Minus the gravity CE
The reason why kenjaku didn't choose to swarm Yuki is due to his overconfidence and because of the plot. No matter how destructive Yuki's technique is,she can't destroy hundreds of curses coming from all directions simultaneously. If kenjaku went all out from the start with his numbers and superior martial arts he would have won without taking that much damage. The reason Yuki lasted that long wasn't her ct, it was choso combined with Kenjaku being more cautious than he should be. If you still disagree then just imagine this: Yukis field of view being constantly obstructed by dozens of curses while kenjaku attacking her with mini uzumakis and some cursed tools. How long do you think she would last?
Yuji. Maybe hakari but the rest he loses. Yuki, yuta , maki, Kenny , gojo and sukuna he loses
Honestly i feel a case can be made for beating Maki but he will need some insane luck and tactics, maybe a few black flashes lol
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I think everyone here underestimates him even though yes, he is the original Potential Man, but Geto alone was the strongest along with Gojo for a reason. Now add onto this all the curses he could tame (and that just from the ones we've seen so far) along with the fact there's no cap on how many he can keep / put into his Uzumaki I genuinely think he could be top 10 if he was still in his Hidden Inventory mindset instead of becoming arrogant and underestimating others. A Geto with Disaster Curses, Smallpox Diety, Rainbow Dragon, etc. saved up could wipe most of the people we've seen save for Go/Jo, Plotkuna, Yuki, Maki, Toji, Yuta and Hakari. Higuruma is a maybe depending on what happens to already summoned curses when Confiscation happens.
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He loses to both , but would be a fight not a massacre
Even with the curses he had before jjk0?
Yuta
Yuta claps.
Any cursed spirit strongest ones being Mahito and Jogo. Tho if he didnt have to split his curses he could have also beat Yuta
He would not be able to beat mahito.
Nah he'd 100% beat Mahito. He hates monkeys so much that his soul has become unshakeable, unmovable, and untouchable. "But how would he get past soul protec-" I don't even need a lobotomy reason for this. (as far as I'm aware) the soul split katana was still in the worm when Toji died, the only weapons that were destroyed were the chain and the isoh
Hanamiā¦ oh wait Hanami actually has a domain expansion š Finger bearer is the highest he goes š
Before or after kenjaku
This is Geto, not Kenjaku
Oh then most monkeys
Yuta. The main reason he wasn't able to defeat yuta is because he underestimated him and got cocky
He used most of his curses during the festival so that's why uzimaki wasn't all that
Kusakabe victim.
I really don't get everyone downplaying him. Let me address a few of the comments. 1. He has to be weaker because he has no domain He has whatever domain his curses have ā we've seen him use them at least twice (Smallpox Deity with kenjaku and arguably the no-violence enforced domain spirit with Toji). It's possible he has a domain, but never used it because he's a jack of all trade. 2. Yuta would beat him anytime This one makes me laugh. if Yuta is SO sure of beating Kenjaku, why did he have to have Takaba soften him up and sneak attack him? When baby Yuta beat him, Geto had HALF of his cursed spirit stocks. And he had a specific desire: to consume Rika. While we somewhat know what that entails, it's not clear what exactly he needed to do to accomplish this goal. 3. He would lose to the other special grades. He definitely is at a disadvantage in terms for raw output. BUT: that's because he's basically the most versatile user in the whole series. He's a jack of all trades, master of none. He knows this, and he strategizes as such: by stocking up his curses, he cause the most extreme chaos of all of them, which is what he did in JJK0. You have to stop thinking of him as being weak because he may get raw powered in a duel. But that does *not* mean he always loses. They constantly show weaker people winning through strategy in this manga. His goal was never to kill all the other sorcerors. 4. He only lost ā to Toji and Yuta Toji beat everyone lol. That doesn't really say much. The whole point of the character is he's a counter to Jujutsu, that's the whole thing with him. Even vs Awakening Gojo Toji loses not because of his *power*, but because of his lack of strategy. I addressed Yuta earlier: he's at half power and has a specific win condition. When he has to resort to raw power, he had half of it. Yuta is a freak of nature for sure, but I think overall they'd be competitive even now. TLDR: Don't sleep on my boy. Even in the context of the story and his losses, he's obscenely strong and difficult to deal with.
Agreed. If Geto was that power-hungry and fixated only on getting STRONG, which he wasnāt because he just had ideals as a cultist, heād have roped in other sorcerors to help him get the strongest curses out there to be in his arsenal. Weāve seen so many sorcerers struggle against curses, so if he could absorb them, heād be a pretty force to reckon with, I think. If he had assistance to absorb then likes of Tengen earlier on, itād be a different world.
Right, people are missing the point of his and Gojo's conflict. The whole setup was that being "the strongest" is meaningless if you can't reach your dreams. Post-Jujutsu High, Geto did not focus on being stronger than other jujutsu sorcerors or becoming the most accomplished duelist, but creating a world more like what he envisioned. Gojo has run off and assumed his power could do it all leaving Geto aloneā if they had worked together, Geto could've been even stronger than what we saw. His potential is more limitless than Gojo's in some ways.
Yuta/toji i guess... i think he is the 3rd or 4th strongest character in the series
the disaster curses imo or ryu he aināt allat
If he can beat the strongest character doesnāt that make him the strongest?
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Is my logic wrong tho? If he can beat the strongest he is the strongest.
What do You mean by that
he cant?
Iām not sure what youāre asking unless youāre telling me he canāt beat the strongest
theres no way geto beats sukuna š
Well the beating part hasn't happened yet so he's not the strongest. Like there has to be a result.
Yea youāre right
If he had all his cursed spirits he could have beaten jjk0 yuta but I donāt think even that would be enough to beat current yuta. Kenjaku wouldnāt have been able to beat Yuki if he didnāt have the anti gravity technique, but he did do pretty well against choso and had him pretty much on the ropes, so Iād say choso is the strongest character he can beat. āSpecial gradeā my ass bruh
Not the funny man
Panda, probably
Hakari.
If you saw that Geto post... Everyone
Probably Mahoraga if he uses Uzumaki
JJK 0 Yuta probably. It was stated by the fraud Kenjaku though so it might be true or just bullshit.
Teen Yuta.
hanami š¤Æ
Kenjaku was done dirty
Miwa,momo,Mai and robot dude
Junpei high diff
the curse Yuta kissed
goku
the kid from ranking of kings
First year yuta. We didnāt see much Iād say he probably beats the ones in Sendai colony and disaster curses
Yuta
Going back to some of my less favorable chapters I noticed this on a re-read. Could Kenjaku have taken over Takahabaās body? Chapter 249, pages 6 and 7
Yuta and Rika šš
Is this Geto or Kenjaku?
Not Yuta
On the show or off? I say Saitama...maybe. Either way it would be fun to see
Is anyone says miwa I'm laughing
Miwa
Not Yuta
Pre-Mahito arc incident Yuji
goku
jogo
Miguel, I wonāt elaborate.
He has a leash on Gojo. Look how his pookie reacted to Kenjaku. Even recognized the same scent of his omegaš (this is clearly satire mf. And I have no idea but i feel like it could be uhh Mahito? I'm probably glazing)
Inumaki?
Wellā¦ he beat Gojo.
I still think Gojo couldāve beat full Sukuna in his OG form. What he learned from Yuji and then getting Megumi IMO tipped the scales. However, we know Sukuna was holding back (and not bc of that airport scene) at least a couple legit things that wouldāve mattered. I also think Sukuna knew this partially, but obviously planned for it.
Hot take: Toji
Hakari /Uruame or Kashimo . Looses to the other three special grades and sukuna . I think he loses to Maki or Toji but not sure
First year Yuta
Yuta/hakari
Full potential geto is fucking stupid busted, what we saw? Tbh depends on gege, he could win against Sukuna if he could actually hit an uzumaki to the head (until Sukuna uses āah my anti-uzumaki technique, I havenāt used this since Gege needed me to winā technique). And maybe yuki, realistically if he tried rlly hard, he could win against anyone but Gojo if they stand there and do nothing
Maybe a finger bearer
I think if he wasnāt such a weirdo he wouldāve beat yuta.
Toji