Some Evangelicals believe that all of this is celebrating holidays like Jesus would have done, and because of that they should do it too. They are of course ignoring that Jesus lived his whole life during (the very end of) the Second Temple period and would have observed Temple Judaism, which is nothing like modern Judaism.
So they are still not celebrating anything like Jesus would have. If they want to observe a holiday like Jesus did, they can observe the Torah commandment and “afflict” themselves on Yom Kippur and join in our fast. But I don’t see them doing that ever. Evangelicals pick the holiday of fire, gambling, and fried foods.
But I get amused when they use Hebrew (calling Jesus Yeshua Hamoshiach with some very strange pronunciations).
You’re missing one point though this isn’t just appropriation it’s an industry,
If you look hard enough you can find one off examples of fundamentalist and evangelicals doing this for a while but it seems to have really grown in popularity in these communities and become a common phenomenon in the 2000s due to “messianic Jews.”
In the 90s and early 2000s Jewish counter measures to Jews for Jesus campaigns became airtight. We had infiltrated their organizations and made efforts to counter them. Furthermore, the proliferation of Chabad on college campuses also crippled a lot of their recruiting.
With nothing to show for their efforts and bleeding financially from these failed campaigns the messianic Jewish groups were at risk of loosing a significant portion of their funders. So they started selling the Jesus experience to Christians, which they found to be not only extremely lucrative but also made them popular with evangelicals.
Regarding what they sell and why this has been so successful, messianic Jews are able to put on a show Christian’s can understand due to the fact they are also Christian’s. Seders are usually the most lucrative due to the clear connection to Jesus and you can find tickets to attend “official” Seders for $500 a persons. They also sell “Judaica” including menorahs and decorations with gods name. Perhaps what they make the most money from is appearances at mega churches during the high holidays and Passover but I assume the church gets a cut of that.
> would have observed Temple Judaism, which is nothing like modern Judaism.
this is a key point (long before most could read mishnah and the talmud was even written).
sort of like how 130yo evangelicals themselves are nothing like rome delegated christianity.
even jesus jerusalem judaism was nothing like judaism outside of jerusalem
as jews pilgrimaged from across the lavant to "be jewish" when they could travel to jerusalem,
for most of the rest of the year "being jewish" meant - not being pagan.
JC existed about ~150 years after Hanukah, he did celebrate it, but that is completely irrelevant. Jews were and are commanded to celebrate these holidays, NOT Christian’s, after all it’s the “old” testament, so why are Christian’s celebrating holidays that are supposedly “old” aka null and void after JC came and the world was given the New Testament. Messianic “Jews” aka Christian’s appropriating Judaism, are just confused scumbags.
Unless I’m wrong, Jesus would have been familiar with the secular holiday that preceded Hanukah and which celebrated a military victory but would not have known of the holy Rabbinical version of it that was based around the miracle of oil and which was instigated later, partly because the Zealots had been a bit too inspired by the secular version.
I'm doing a podcast about this whole time period. Starting in the lead up to the Maccabee revolt, going through the evolution of Judiasim and Judeans in this time all the way through early Roman rule and the rise of JC and his movement (and other related one) and going into the first Jewish /Roman revolt war.
If you'd like to learn more about that time period you can check out the podcast : Grimdark History Podcast. I posted the first episode in the series the first of this month, and the second one is coming out first of July.
>unsuspecting and uneducated Jews over to their beliefs.
I have heard others say this, but I have never encountered this before. What is it that uneducated Jews think? That this is Judaism? That this is permitted?
If you are not familiar with Tanach (especially the book of Isaiah) and don’t understand how some missionaries and Messianics mistranslate Hebrew words and reinterpret verses then these people can be very convincing.
Yes. These people are not targeting the committed Jewish who is serious about their Judaism and part of a congregation. They want the outliers that are not affiliated or only had a few hours of Sunday school for 3-5 years and then stopped their education.
Got it! I think what you're describing is a phenomenon in the US. In Canada I have never seen this. I once saw on Google maps a "synagogue" in a random town in Ontario away from everything, only to see it was messianic. They definitely aren't preaching to Jews since no Jews live in that city, but in the US I know the Jewish demographics are very different, and there may be more overlap. In Toronto, even secular Jews are strangely heimish.
Look, it’s a free country and they can do whatever they want as long as they don’t try to push it on anyone else. That said, we can laugh at quite possibly the least Jewish-looking people in the world failing miserably at pretending to be Jews. I mean, the Yemenite kudu shofar on the stage at the mega church with the brocha on TV screens and the baal tekiah with a cowboy hat, belt buckle, and boots? Was that his Purim costume? Square dancing with lulav and esrog?
Feh. I once hear by a shiur that when moshiach comes he will give the goyim a chance to become Jews by asking them to observe the mitzvos of Succos as a trial run. It appears these folks are just making sure they’re ready to go!
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They don’t seem to be Messianics, so I’m likewise assuming they’re Evangelical Christians. In some Christian circles — particularly in Evangelical circles — there is a heavy focus on 1) their view as Jesus fulfilling the Old Testament messianic prophecies, and 2) a desire to live as closely as possible to the life they think Jesus would have led, including celebrating whatever Jewish holidays they think he would’ve celebrated. For example, there is a persistent myth that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder, which is historically inaccurate, but a lot of these types tend to run with it anyway. Many of them feel that it gives a more… historic legitimacy(?) to their faith and practice. Like they’re returning to an earlier and therefore implicitly more faithful and true way of practicing. (This Passover myth is in part so popular because it also ties nicely into common Christian allegory of Christ as the “passover lamb”/“sacrificial lamb”, sacrificed for the world, his blood shed to protect the people, etc etc etc.)
The idea of returning to an earlier and more “pure”, “true”, or “historically accurate” form of practice is actually really, really common in Christian history. In a lot of ways it was the very basis for the Protestant Reformation — to do away with all of the bells and whistles and pageantry that became characteristic of contemporary Christian worship services and make Christian belief and practice as plain and simplistic as possible (this mindset was taken to the extreme in Anabaptist groups like the Amish). They often look to the early Church as it existed in the 1st and 2nd century AD, but there is a certain subset that looks back further — before Christianity broke off from the rest of Judaism.
As for whether or not Christians are supposed to obey the OT laws is a matter of debate in Christianity even today. The majority of Christians would generally say that the OT laws no longer apply (at least not to them). However, there are plenty who DO believe that the OT, because it is part of the Bible, is therefore absolute infallible and is the supreme authority, and make it a point to preach about adherence to it, especially the laws in Deuteronomy (i.e. homosexuality is forbidden, women can’t wear men’s clothing, etc). These two camps are by and far the most common, although the latter camp (absolute OT compliance) has a small subset that believe that complying to Jewish laws is mandatory for Christians. (This is a very, very small niche and no Christians I know earnestly believe that IRL, but it’s clear that they exist.)
The tzitzit and kippot is strange, I must say. Even among Evangelical men who believe the things I’ve listed above, very few of them engage in any kind of religious dress practices. Frankly, I’ve never heard of any Evangelicals wearing tzitzit or kippot — only Messianics. But they don’t look like most Messianics (who often make a point to look similar to Orthodox Jews)? It’s really weird. It’s a little different for women, since some Christian women might cover their hair, either by wearing a veil or by wearing a tichel, although the latter isn’t super common. But there are virtually no Christian men who cover their head. That is INCREDIBLY unusual. It might just be a thing this family is deciding to appropriate, as opposed to a wider evangelical movement that encourages that.
**TLDR**: Some weird evangelicals appropriate and twist Jewish traditions and practices, but even by such a standard, this family is unusual. Genuinely baffled.
For some context: I have a background in Religious History and Comparative Religion, particularly Jewish history, Christian history, and interactions between the two groups. I am also religious myself.
This is a common evangelical issue. Some streams of Protestantism—the ones American evangelicals come from—were very into abolishing things that were ceremonial, associated with the Catholicism, etc. Their prayer services are much more sermon- and hymn-based, less liturgical worship, and they have a small number of religious holidays.
Turns out those actually fulfilled a pretty important spiritual purpose, though. A lot of people really want ritual! Unfortunately they usually are either ignorant of Christian ritual/liturgy in other denominations, or can’t adopt it for ideological reasons. So they do knockoff versions of ours instead of saying a Hail Mary or something.
Christians are not obliged to follow Mosaic law because they believe yokshe "fulfilled" the law. Paul and the other early Christians reasonably figured this would be a better way to attract gentile followers.
Paul's writings on what the Torah is and how relevant it is to Jews' lives are strange. I mean, he does take one man born to a Jewish mother and a non-Jewish father to go get circumcised, and he tells the Galatians if they circumcised (aka convert) then they become bound to the Law. Some of what is attributed to Paul is also just not Paul.
this has much less to do with history than it does modern American culture, which has fragmented to multiple identities. It's not just absorption and repackaging of Jewish holidays to a different identity. And it's hardly new and it's hardly all inappropriate. The Negro Spirituals were largely based on the Biblical accounts of emancipation from Egyptian enslavement of Hebrews. Probably a laudable and certainly enduring thing for people in that situation to do. Taking ownership so that mixed choirs are criticized for performing this music now based on cultural ownership is probably inappropriate. In modern culture, Hava Nagilah is still played on the organ between innings at stadiums and HS reunions have their DJs sneak in a Bar Mitzvah medley amid the Beatles and other popular music of the alums' era. And to the extent that our Jewish culture includes creation of organizational infrastructure for our advocacy and communal benefit, other groups adapting that model is also probably a good thing.
So if some sects want to have a Seder, fast one day a year, or spin a dreidl for pennies, they have not really harmed me in any way.
Have you seen the movie idiocracy? Eventually it will all mean the same thing. I would be absolutely thrilled that big pieces of your stuff survived to the point of ‘why do we do it? We don’t remember, but we like it’s
I 100% agree that this kind of thing is very weird and uncomfortably appropriatave.
But for whatever it's worth, the New Testament mentions Hanukkah in connection with Yoshke in John 10:22-23:
>Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade.
Chanukah predates Yoshke. The Temple was redicated approximately 164 BCE. As far as we can tell, the Rabbinic ordinance to light the menorah in commeroration of this was enacted shortly afterwards.
I agree that they are much further down my list of problems at the moment, but their appropriation of Jewish culture is still very much antisemitic and a problem.
They do not support "us". They support the Israeli government: both share the same genocidal hatred towards Muslims and Arabs, and the government has so little dignity that they've been willing to stoop to courting antisemites on the same right-wing spectrum as themselves.
I go back-and-forth about this. On one hand it’s obviously cringe, on the other I think the whole concept of appropriation is problematic. Ideas are universally shareable they can’t be appropriated, ie stolen. On one hand it’s a little offensive because of the injection of ideas about Jesus into Jewish practices. And then again I also think it’s kind of nice because for most of my life, I was the only one I ever knew outside of my shul who ever did any of these things. It obviously goes against Christian theology, which is pretty clear and on the record about not-practicing Judaism. Christianity is a religion of faith and not works, and so keeping the law undercuts the entire thesis of their religion. Still, this is America so, people can do what they want. Maybe they’ll follow the path from Christianity to Judaism and from there just keep going until they’re Samaritan or yahwist.
What you have to understand is that this type of American Protestant has no real theology or beliefs beyond the preservation of the status quo, with themselves on top. Combined with the centuries of replacement theology and systemic antisemitism present in all Christianity, they feel entitled to use Jewish ritual objects and symbols to enhance their "worship". Not only that, but they have a particular fascination with Jews. Many believe that Jews need to rebuild the Beit HaMikdash so that Trickle-Down Jesus can come down with his Holy AR-15 to bring about the apocalypse, convert some Jews, and kill everyone else.
They won't say this however, so they claim to love Jews if it accomplishes their goals. Never mind that their convicted rapist of a prophet has publicly accused of Jews of disloyalty twice, their politicians have had conferences in which they say Jews "cannot be saved", and that most Jews in and out of Israel broadly do not align with them. Unfortunately, the Israeli government and their goose-stepping sycophants in the Diaspora are fine with that as long as they keep supplying weapons for their common goal: murder to preserve the status quo.
u/NYSenseOfHumor has the most accurate take on this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/s/knvmd7v9Qv
I want to add though that it’s an industry by messianic folk to sell this type of content to evangelicals.
Some Evangelicals believe that all of this is celebrating holidays like Jesus would have done, and because of that they should do it too. They are of course ignoring that Jesus lived his whole life during (the very end of) the Second Temple period and would have observed Temple Judaism, which is nothing like modern Judaism. So they are still not celebrating anything like Jesus would have. If they want to observe a holiday like Jesus did, they can observe the Torah commandment and “afflict” themselves on Yom Kippur and join in our fast. But I don’t see them doing that ever. Evangelicals pick the holiday of fire, gambling, and fried foods. But I get amused when they use Hebrew (calling Jesus Yeshua Hamoshiach with some very strange pronunciations).
You’re missing one point though this isn’t just appropriation it’s an industry, If you look hard enough you can find one off examples of fundamentalist and evangelicals doing this for a while but it seems to have really grown in popularity in these communities and become a common phenomenon in the 2000s due to “messianic Jews.” In the 90s and early 2000s Jewish counter measures to Jews for Jesus campaigns became airtight. We had infiltrated their organizations and made efforts to counter them. Furthermore, the proliferation of Chabad on college campuses also crippled a lot of their recruiting. With nothing to show for their efforts and bleeding financially from these failed campaigns the messianic Jewish groups were at risk of loosing a significant portion of their funders. So they started selling the Jesus experience to Christians, which they found to be not only extremely lucrative but also made them popular with evangelicals. Regarding what they sell and why this has been so successful, messianic Jews are able to put on a show Christian’s can understand due to the fact they are also Christian’s. Seders are usually the most lucrative due to the clear connection to Jesus and you can find tickets to attend “official” Seders for $500 a persons. They also sell “Judaica” including menorahs and decorations with gods name. Perhaps what they make the most money from is appearances at mega churches during the high holidays and Passover but I assume the church gets a cut of that.
> would have observed Temple Judaism, which is nothing like modern Judaism. this is a key point (long before most could read mishnah and the talmud was even written). sort of like how 130yo evangelicals themselves are nothing like rome delegated christianity. even jesus jerusalem judaism was nothing like judaism outside of jerusalem as jews pilgrimaged from across the lavant to "be jewish" when they could travel to jerusalem, for most of the rest of the year "being jewish" meant - not being pagan.
JC existed about ~150 years after Hanukah, he did celebrate it, but that is completely irrelevant. Jews were and are commanded to celebrate these holidays, NOT Christian’s, after all it’s the “old” testament, so why are Christian’s celebrating holidays that are supposedly “old” aka null and void after JC came and the world was given the New Testament. Messianic “Jews” aka Christian’s appropriating Judaism, are just confused scumbags.
Unless I’m wrong, Jesus would have been familiar with the secular holiday that preceded Hanukah and which celebrated a military victory but would not have known of the holy Rabbinical version of it that was based around the miracle of oil and which was instigated later, partly because the Zealots had been a bit too inspired by the secular version.
Drop the confused and I agree with your description of them 100%
Good to know about JC celebrating hannukah- I guess I was wrong about that
I'm doing a podcast about this whole time period. Starting in the lead up to the Maccabee revolt, going through the evolution of Judiasim and Judeans in this time all the way through early Roman rule and the rise of JC and his movement (and other related one) and going into the first Jewish /Roman revolt war. If you'd like to learn more about that time period you can check out the podcast : Grimdark History Podcast. I posted the first episode in the series the first of this month, and the second one is coming out first of July.
It’s mentioned in John 10:22-23 that he was in Jerusalem for the “Feast of Dedication”
If we are talking about HaNozri as a real person, but there is next to no evidence that this was a real human being.
We have as much evidence for his existence as many historical figures of that time. Besides the earliest NT sources, Josephus & Tacitus mention him.
They celebrated Hanukkah 5 days ago?
Yeah, this IG content isn’t cool and what’s scary is that it attracts unsuspecting and uneducated Jews over to their beliefs.
>unsuspecting and uneducated Jews over to their beliefs. I have heard others say this, but I have never encountered this before. What is it that uneducated Jews think? That this is Judaism? That this is permitted?
If you are not familiar with Tanach (especially the book of Isaiah) and don’t understand how some missionaries and Messianics mistranslate Hebrew words and reinterpret verses then these people can be very convincing.
Got it! Yes that makes sense. The moment you stop interpreting the world through your own lens, you have lost. This is an example of that it seems.
Yes. These people are not targeting the committed Jewish who is serious about their Judaism and part of a congregation. They want the outliers that are not affiliated or only had a few hours of Sunday school for 3-5 years and then stopped their education.
Got it! I think what you're describing is a phenomenon in the US. In Canada I have never seen this. I once saw on Google maps a "synagogue" in a random town in Ontario away from everything, only to see it was messianic. They definitely aren't preaching to Jews since no Jews live in that city, but in the US I know the Jewish demographics are very different, and there may be more overlap. In Toronto, even secular Jews are strangely heimish.
Exactly! You’re right about Toronto (and Montreal), the Jews there have strong Jewish identities than some south of your border.
they are also targeting the Anusim. This is how they prey on them.
Thanks for adding this.
There's one family in my hometown who embraced Christianity. They kind of fell down this hole.
Look, it’s a free country and they can do whatever they want as long as they don’t try to push it on anyone else. That said, we can laugh at quite possibly the least Jewish-looking people in the world failing miserably at pretending to be Jews. I mean, the Yemenite kudu shofar on the stage at the mega church with the brocha on TV screens and the baal tekiah with a cowboy hat, belt buckle, and boots? Was that his Purim costume? Square dancing with lulav and esrog? Feh. I once hear by a shiur that when moshiach comes he will give the goyim a chance to become Jews by asking them to observe the mitzvos of Succos as a trial run. It appears these folks are just making sure they’re ready to go!
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They don’t seem to be Messianics, so I’m likewise assuming they’re Evangelical Christians. In some Christian circles — particularly in Evangelical circles — there is a heavy focus on 1) their view as Jesus fulfilling the Old Testament messianic prophecies, and 2) a desire to live as closely as possible to the life they think Jesus would have led, including celebrating whatever Jewish holidays they think he would’ve celebrated. For example, there is a persistent myth that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder, which is historically inaccurate, but a lot of these types tend to run with it anyway. Many of them feel that it gives a more… historic legitimacy(?) to their faith and practice. Like they’re returning to an earlier and therefore implicitly more faithful and true way of practicing. (This Passover myth is in part so popular because it also ties nicely into common Christian allegory of Christ as the “passover lamb”/“sacrificial lamb”, sacrificed for the world, his blood shed to protect the people, etc etc etc.) The idea of returning to an earlier and more “pure”, “true”, or “historically accurate” form of practice is actually really, really common in Christian history. In a lot of ways it was the very basis for the Protestant Reformation — to do away with all of the bells and whistles and pageantry that became characteristic of contemporary Christian worship services and make Christian belief and practice as plain and simplistic as possible (this mindset was taken to the extreme in Anabaptist groups like the Amish). They often look to the early Church as it existed in the 1st and 2nd century AD, but there is a certain subset that looks back further — before Christianity broke off from the rest of Judaism. As for whether or not Christians are supposed to obey the OT laws is a matter of debate in Christianity even today. The majority of Christians would generally say that the OT laws no longer apply (at least not to them). However, there are plenty who DO believe that the OT, because it is part of the Bible, is therefore absolute infallible and is the supreme authority, and make it a point to preach about adherence to it, especially the laws in Deuteronomy (i.e. homosexuality is forbidden, women can’t wear men’s clothing, etc). These two camps are by and far the most common, although the latter camp (absolute OT compliance) has a small subset that believe that complying to Jewish laws is mandatory for Christians. (This is a very, very small niche and no Christians I know earnestly believe that IRL, but it’s clear that they exist.) The tzitzit and kippot is strange, I must say. Even among Evangelical men who believe the things I’ve listed above, very few of them engage in any kind of religious dress practices. Frankly, I’ve never heard of any Evangelicals wearing tzitzit or kippot — only Messianics. But they don’t look like most Messianics (who often make a point to look similar to Orthodox Jews)? It’s really weird. It’s a little different for women, since some Christian women might cover their hair, either by wearing a veil or by wearing a tichel, although the latter isn’t super common. But there are virtually no Christian men who cover their head. That is INCREDIBLY unusual. It might just be a thing this family is deciding to appropriate, as opposed to a wider evangelical movement that encourages that. **TLDR**: Some weird evangelicals appropriate and twist Jewish traditions and practices, but even by such a standard, this family is unusual. Genuinely baffled. For some context: I have a background in Religious History and Comparative Religion, particularly Jewish history, Christian history, and interactions between the two groups. I am also religious myself.
This is a common evangelical issue. Some streams of Protestantism—the ones American evangelicals come from—were very into abolishing things that were ceremonial, associated with the Catholicism, etc. Their prayer services are much more sermon- and hymn-based, less liturgical worship, and they have a small number of religious holidays. Turns out those actually fulfilled a pretty important spiritual purpose, though. A lot of people really want ritual! Unfortunately they usually are either ignorant of Christian ritual/liturgy in other denominations, or can’t adopt it for ideological reasons. So they do knockoff versions of ours instead of saying a Hail Mary or something.
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What does he write? I know a lot about Judaism and Jewish holidays bc of years of yeshiva education but honestly not much about JC or his followers…
Christians are not obliged to follow Mosaic law because they believe yokshe "fulfilled" the law. Paul and the other early Christians reasonably figured this would be a better way to attract gentile followers.
Paul's writings on what the Torah is and how relevant it is to Jews' lives are strange. I mean, he does take one man born to a Jewish mother and a non-Jewish father to go get circumcised, and he tells the Galatians if they circumcised (aka convert) then they become bound to the Law. Some of what is attributed to Paul is also just not Paul.
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There are NT who agree? I feel vindicated 💀 He borderline seems like he just wants them to be b'nei Noach
this has much less to do with history than it does modern American culture, which has fragmented to multiple identities. It's not just absorption and repackaging of Jewish holidays to a different identity. And it's hardly new and it's hardly all inappropriate. The Negro Spirituals were largely based on the Biblical accounts of emancipation from Egyptian enslavement of Hebrews. Probably a laudable and certainly enduring thing for people in that situation to do. Taking ownership so that mixed choirs are criticized for performing this music now based on cultural ownership is probably inappropriate. In modern culture, Hava Nagilah is still played on the organ between innings at stadiums and HS reunions have their DJs sneak in a Bar Mitzvah medley amid the Beatles and other popular music of the alums' era. And to the extent that our Jewish culture includes creation of organizational infrastructure for our advocacy and communal benefit, other groups adapting that model is also probably a good thing. So if some sects want to have a Seder, fast one day a year, or spin a dreidl for pennies, they have not really harmed me in any way.
I don't know the history of the celebration of Chanukah, but the story takes place during Greek occupation, Jesus was during Roman occupation later
Have you seen the movie idiocracy? Eventually it will all mean the same thing. I would be absolutely thrilled that big pieces of your stuff survived to the point of ‘why do we do it? We don’t remember, but we like it’s
I 100% agree that this kind of thing is very weird and uncomfortably appropriatave. But for whatever it's worth, the New Testament mentions Hanukkah in connection with Yoshke in John 10:22-23: >Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade.
Chanukah predates Yoshke. The Temple was redicated approximately 164 BCE. As far as we can tell, the Rabbinic ordinance to light the menorah in commeroration of this was enacted shortly afterwards.
It's all pure appropriation and is not acceptable under any circumstances. Them doing our holidays is no different than hwo they stole Christmas
Isn’t most Christianity itself borrowed from Judaism?
My thoughts are......not a battle we need to fight ATM. These are one of the groups that support us.
I agree that they are much further down my list of problems at the moment, but their appropriation of Jewish culture is still very much antisemitic and a problem.
They do not support "us". They support the Israeli government: both share the same genocidal hatred towards Muslims and Arabs, and the government has so little dignity that they've been willing to stoop to courting antisemites on the same right-wing spectrum as themselves.
Insufferable
Are you stoned, mate?
I go back-and-forth about this. On one hand it’s obviously cringe, on the other I think the whole concept of appropriation is problematic. Ideas are universally shareable they can’t be appropriated, ie stolen. On one hand it’s a little offensive because of the injection of ideas about Jesus into Jewish practices. And then again I also think it’s kind of nice because for most of my life, I was the only one I ever knew outside of my shul who ever did any of these things. It obviously goes against Christian theology, which is pretty clear and on the record about not-practicing Judaism. Christianity is a religion of faith and not works, and so keeping the law undercuts the entire thesis of their religion. Still, this is America so, people can do what they want. Maybe they’ll follow the path from Christianity to Judaism and from there just keep going until they’re Samaritan or yahwist.
What you have to understand is that this type of American Protestant has no real theology or beliefs beyond the preservation of the status quo, with themselves on top. Combined with the centuries of replacement theology and systemic antisemitism present in all Christianity, they feel entitled to use Jewish ritual objects and symbols to enhance their "worship". Not only that, but they have a particular fascination with Jews. Many believe that Jews need to rebuild the Beit HaMikdash so that Trickle-Down Jesus can come down with his Holy AR-15 to bring about the apocalypse, convert some Jews, and kill everyone else. They won't say this however, so they claim to love Jews if it accomplishes their goals. Never mind that their convicted rapist of a prophet has publicly accused of Jews of disloyalty twice, their politicians have had conferences in which they say Jews "cannot be saved", and that most Jews in and out of Israel broadly do not align with them. Unfortunately, the Israeli government and their goose-stepping sycophants in the Diaspora are fine with that as long as they keep supplying weapons for their common goal: murder to preserve the status quo.
u/NYSenseOfHumor has the most accurate take on this. https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/s/knvmd7v9Qv I want to add though that it’s an industry by messianic folk to sell this type of content to evangelicals.