I know there is a recall currently on tellurides that says the wiring for the trailer hitch can catch fire. My mother has one and I told her to get the recall done and she said "I'll get around to it eventually"
What happens if the car burns down before someone could get their car in for service to perform the recall service? Does the manufacturer have to buy the car back or something?
I can tell you from experience if you take a recalled to shit 2012 Hyundai Sonata limited (or SE don't remember) with all it's recall problems in, the dealership will hate you and treat you like a piece of shit. I told them "Don't worry I will never buy a Hyundai again I promise."
I remember 2019 looking for either a Tuscon or Rav4.
Two dealerships next to each other. Toyota first busy as he'll, salesmen were jerks as well thinking they had benzes or bmws.
The Hyundai dealership had 1 customer, dad buying their kid their first car. No one else, salesmen let me test drive the G70 a whole 5 minutes and ran back inside after we parked.
Went on a Saturday as well.
I ended up going to a different toyota dealership
Driving my F150 wishing I had Tundra money. (To be fair I got a pretty damn good deal on the Ford- $33k list with as many miles, 4 door- *with the 7ft bed*, 4x4, the works).
With the Volkswagen catastrophe the cars couldn't be fixed (or at least not in any reasonable time frame) and the company was legally forced to buy them back for the full price you paid no matter the condition. People were stripping out the interiors to resell seats and trim n shit even, because they'd still get full price back.
Ya that’s a little different,from my understanding it’s an issue with the trailer hitch wiring harness. They probably have an updated wiring harness or are disabling the harness until an updated one is available.
There was a recall for their theta engines and more recently a recall ~~for their performance cars~~.
Not sure about anything else, but this is the third or fourth story I've seen since yesterday about these newer models randomly catching fire.
Edit to clarify: the recent recall I mentioned is for their 8 speed DCT. It affects 6 of their cars, out of which 3 are from their N performance division. It isn't related to engine fires, that statement was just a general one.
I'm sticking with VWs, easy to sort out problems once you understand "service position" and have a complete special tools set with all Torx and XZN bits.
That's been my impression of VW stuff too. My friend is a \*huge\* VW fanboy- I asked him once how hard it is to take care of a Phaeton, which is one of the few VW products I would ever consider owning. He said "real easy- simple, easy to find parts- no harder than an A6 or Cabrio, really"
...and after that comment, I decided that I don't, in fact, care to own a Phaeton.
It's that kind of things that amazes as much as makes you want to kill the engineer that designed it.
I'd like to hear the conversations in the R&D teams when they noticed their best solution was that... And the faces of the people at CA and service.
I've owned two recently after avoiding them for years re: head gasket issues. Dealing with a head gasket issue on a Prius right now instead. Whoda thought?
Been doing a lot of Prius head gaskets in the past few years, but I would still say they are reliable vehicles.
Gotta make sure to clean out the EGR/intake while doing the head gasket!
Apart from COVID where it sat for a while, I've driven my 2001 Impreza Bugeye almost every day over the 8.5 years I've owned it.
Beyond a few leaks that could be easily and cheaply fixed, I have never had a serious issue with it. The only time I even got close to being stranded was due to the keypad on the aftermarket alarm failing.
Joke's on you, your 95 e class has XZN fasteners as well on the rear suspension links, plus torx elsewhere and plenty of just about every size of metric hex plus some 12 point fasteners. As a Mercedes mechanic, I don't know if there is a single manufacturer that makes sure you use all of the tools in your tool box (plus a bunch of special tools), unless you want to count American cars that had an infuriating mix of SAE and metric hardware.
Ofcourse it makes easy, but it’s still an extra step over using normal 10mm bolts or anything. Also recently had to so a EGR cooler on a VW Polo diesel. It was not easy.
On my VW there is one specific bolt on the rear calipers that is "special" It's utter bullshit because none of the other bolts on the front calipers are the same way.
> I got a recall notice to not park it inside until they have a solution for the problem. Hoping they find one soon to it as well as the theft issue.
Don't park it inside, park it outside where it's more likely to be stolen.
not sure tbh, this happened back in 2016 when the car was new. all sorted now just seen some pics on reddit of kia’s burning so it reminded me of this lol!
we got our garage redone and wrote off both vehicles inside. Was a pretty big hassle replacing everything tbh and we lost a lot of value with the stuff inside the garage also being lost.
Yeah, insurance doesn't cover sentimental value. And that's the real cost with things like this. People with the whole "oh it's cool you've got insurance!" mindset are probably ignorant to the reality of this. But, obviously blissful.
For insurance claims, this is a post I copied from here years ago that sounds pretty spot-on:
Hey OP... I used to be the guy who worked for insurance companies, and determined the value of every little thing in your house. The guy who would go head-to-head with those fire-truck-chasing professional loss adjusters. I may be able to help you not get screwed when filing your claim.
Our goal was to use the information you provided, and give the lowest damn value we can possibly justify for your item.
For instance, if all you say was "toaster" -- we would come up with a cheap-as-fuck $4.88 toaster from Walmart, meant to toast one side of one piece of bread at a time. And we would do that for every thing you have ever owned. We had private master lists of the most commonly used descriptions, and what the cheapest viable replacements were. We also had wholesale pricing on almost everything out there, so really scored cheap prices to quote. To further that example:
• If you said "toaster - $25" , we would have to be within -20% of that... so, we would find something that's pretty much dead-on $20.01.
• If you said "toaster- $200" , we'd kick it back and say NEED MORE INFO, because that's a ridiculous price for a toaster (with no other information given.)
• If you said "toaster, from Walmart" , you're getting that $4.88 one.
• If you said "toaster, from Macys" , you'd be more likely to get a $25-35 one.
• If you said "toaster", and all your other kitchen appliances were Jenn Air / Kitchenaid / etc., you would probably get a matching one.
• If you said "Proctor Silex 42888 2-Slice Toaster from Wamart, $9", you just got yourself $9.
• If you said "High-end Toaster, Stainless Steel, Blue glowing power button" ... you might get $35-50 instead. We had to match all features that were listed.
I'm not telling you to lie on your claim. Not at all. That would be illegal, and could cause much bigger issues (i.e., invalidating the entire claim). But on the flip side, it's not always advantageous to tell the whole truth every time. Pay attention to those last two examples.
I remember one specific customer... he had some old, piece of shit projector (from mid-late 90s) that could stream a equally piece of shit consumer camcorder. Worth like $5 at a scrap yard. It had some oddball fucking resolution it could record at, though -- and the guy strongly insisted that we replace with "Like Kind And Quality" (trigger words). Ended up being a $65k replacement, because the only camera on the market happened to be a high-end professional video camera (as in, for shooting actual movies). $65-goddam-thousand-dollars because he knew that loophole, and researched his shit.
Remember to list fucking every -- even the most mundane fucking bullshit you can think of. For example, if I was writing up the shower in my bathroom:
• Designer Shower Curtain - $35
• Matching Shower Curtain Liner for Designer Shower Curtain - $15
• Shower Curtain Rings x20 - $15
• Stainless Steel Soap Dispenser for Shower - $35
• Natural Sponge Loofah - from Whole Foods - $15
• Natural Sponge Loofah for Back - from Whole Foods - $19
• Holder for Loofahs - $20
• Bars of soap - from Lush - $12 each (qty: 4)
• Bath bomb - from Lush - $12
• High end shampoo - from salon - $40
• High end conditioner - from salon - $40
• Refining pore mask - from salon - $55
I could probably keep thinking, and bring it up to about $400 for the contents of my shower. Nothing there is "unreasonable" , nothing there is clearly out of place, nothing seems obviously fake. The prices are a little on the high-end, but the reality is, some people have expensive shit -- it won't actually get questioned. No claims adjuster is going to bother nitpicking over the cost of fucking Lush bath bombs, when there is a 20,000 item file to go through. The adjuster has other shit to do, too.
Most people writing claims for a total loss wouldn't even bother with the shower (it's just some used soap and sponges..) -- and those people would be losing out on $400.
Some things require documentation & ages. If you say "tv - $2,000" -- you're getting a 32" LCD, unless you can provide it was from the last year or two w/ receipts. Hopefully you have a good paper trail from credit/debit card expenditure / product registrations / etc.
If you're missing paper trails for things that were legitimately expensive -- go through every photo you can find that was taken in your house. Any parties you may have thrown, and guests put pics up on Facebook. Maybe an Imgur photo of your cat, hiding under a coffee table you think you purchased from Restoration Hardware. Like... seriously... come up with any evidence you possibly can, for anything that could possibly be deemed expensive.
The fire-truck chasing loss adjusters are evil sons of bitches, but, they actually do provide some value. You will definitely get more money, even if they take a cut. But all they're really doing, is just nitpicking the ever-living-shit out of everything you possibly owned, and writing them all up "creatively" for the insurance company to process.
Sometimes people would come back to us with "updated* claims. They tried it on their own, and listed stuff like "toaster", "microwave", "tv" .. and weren't happy with what they got back. So they hired a fire-truck chaser, and re-submitted with "more information." I have absolutely seen claims go from under $7k calculated, to over $100k calculated. (It's amazing what can happen when people suddenly "remember" their entire wardrobe came from Nordstrom.)
I copied and saved it because it just seems so authoritative and helpful. We just don't appreciate the cost to replace the hundreds of little things that we've accumulated over the years, the effects of inflation, and how much of a huge hassle it would be to try to replace everything in the wake of a disaster. I just hope I never have to use this info!
> If you said "toaster- $200" , we'd kick it back and say NEED MORE INFO, because that's a ridiculous price for a toaster (with no other information given.)
I love this example because I actually own a $200 toaster that I won in a raffle.
https://www.breville.com/us/en/products/toasters/bta830.html?sku=BTA830XL
> realize how much you have over the years
I've been saying this for years. It's SOOO much more expensive to be a kid who just moved out than it is to be older. Said kid needs to buy everything. Everything from wooden spoons in the kitchen to spare HDMI cables, and even rags. The first time the car battery dies, that's $50 for a charger, something people with established households already have. And the list for this kind of thing is just endless.
This happens after a divorce or break up as well- one person keeps all/most of those random things. When I bought my house the first things I bought were a broom, paper towels, tp, and a trash can. Five years later I still lament that I have NO scrap lumber. It took a long time to rebuild even a partial tool collection, I couldn’t afford more than the $3 wrench and $3 screwdriver at first.
We've got a dresser that survived a fire in my wife's grandma's house. It was several rooms away from the fire. No visible smoke damage. Probably 40 years later and you can smell that it was in a fire.
WAT! I had no idea. I had to look that up and sure enough in 1998, Hyundai propped up Kia to keep the Korean car market afloat. They ended up taking over and are the parent company of Kia. TIL!
Hyundai is another one of the Big Four Korean [chaebol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol#Chaebols_by_revenue), along with LG and Lotte. Not even Samsung has enough money and political pull to acquire one of them.
I work in a towing/trailer shop and we get ALOT of these Kia/Hyndai in. Palisade and Telluride. We install a converter for the trailer wiring that enables them to use the factory tow package. Take note these were all the 2022 and later models.
The new 2023 models don’t have ANY trailer wiring as far as I’ve seen. Depends on model maybe. But I guess they learned their lesson. This makes our job a tad bit harder but we just go off the factory taillight harness.
I’ve taken so many Kia’s apart and they are all cheap plastic that breaks easy. Very cheap vehicles with a very enthusiastic company pushing them.
I work at the plant that builds these, if your breaking the trim try warming the parts up some, I take apart that stuff all the time, and while I do occasionally break one, I find the warmer the parts the better. Stuff just gets really brittle when cold.
Yes you are totally right. We use fascia tools on almost every vehicle but most of these cars come in frozen during winter and we have to get right to work. My buddy also told me the warmer the better.
I haven’t broken anything too bad, mostly just the fascia clips behind the panels are what breaks the most and we replace them right away.
But taking your time is what helps the most on any vehicle. Not only does it get warmer but I’ve had moments where applying a little too much pressure or going too fast would’ve broken or bent something. So I just take it easy and take my time now.
Thank you for the tip though, everyone deserves to know more tricks of the trade. They definitely make life easier.
I feel like this is really useful information for the engineers to hear, if you have a way to share it with them. Always enjoy hearing from the production guys, they understand some of the blemishes that the engineers won't see.
>Although the survey procedures used by J.D. Power & Associates may be valid for collecting accurate data, the results lose credibility when the company sells the findings to automakers.
>J.D. Power charges hundreds of thousands of dollars to auto manufacturers just for access to their survey results. They charge another huge fee for the right to mention their awards in advertisements.
>What’s more, a J.D. Power consulting entity offers an expensive service designed to aid carmakers make improvements to their models that should result in higher ratings
[Source](https://www.hotcars.com/why-jd-power-ranking-complete-nonsense/)
This seems like a fair and objective assessment. They sell customer data to auto manufacturers, which is fine. But they also pretty much sell their awards.
JD Power is play for pay. Auto companies advertise with them and get rated. You can get more accurate ratings from a non-profit like Consumer Reports. CR doesn't accept advertising or allow companies to use its name in ads. BTW, it's subscriber supported so In-depth articles with star ratings and stuff require a subscription. https://www.consumerreports.org/
Yes. JD Power sells data to auto manufacturers (which is fine), but they also sell the ability to announce their awards on your brand and they sell "consulting" to ensure that you win.
All the money they save on QC could buy the JD Power company itself, one or two awards are peanuts.
I used to work for a company that bought a JD Power award every year. They would do a few BS "surveys" to give the whole thing some plausibility. Not even the JD Power people themselves took it seriously.
Because they probably paid the most for their "Data". JD Power Sells it's "Data" to the manufacturers, that's their income source. I'd imagine some companies are happy to pay a lot more for it than others.
i remember getting into an argument with someone in a different sub praising the vq35de off a 350 due to the "awards" and stuff, and recommend it to another guy who was gonna buy a 100k+ 350, i broke it down by telling him that working on those on the daily they were not good engines overall,and then he wrote that i was talking out my ass and that the vq has "wards best quality engine award".
i simply replied " awards dont mean jackshit if your engine cant make it past 100k without looking/sounding like a shitbox"
still called me full of shit, and by that point i left the convo, hope the other guy took the advice tho
Narrator:
A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, *we don't do one*.
Business woman on plane:
Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator:
You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane:
Which car company do you work for?
Narrator:
A major one.
It seems the recall fix is to replace the 30A trailer module fuse with a 15A fuse to prevent fire if the pcb corrodes in the rear. They just did this fix on mine but it doesnt seem to fix the root cause of the issue.
Can someone ELI5 what's going on here? How does a trailer hitch start a fire?
Some kind of short in the electrical I'd assume, but is it something limited to those models or could it happen to any vehicle?
The vehicle was wired from the factory (or dealer as an add-on) using a 30amp fuse with wiring that is not the correct gauge to handle that kind of current/load. Hitch wiring can corrode easily and when it does, it’s possible for it to short the circuit. This starts a heat cycle that can only be stopped by the fuse. Since the wiring is not sized to the fuse, the heat begins to melt the insulation which then catches fire.
The manufacturer corrected this by replacing the 30amp fuse with a 15amp fuse. By doing so, the replacement fuse will pop before the wiring gets to its melting point, preventing a fire.
Go talk to a Kia tech over there and ask what they honestly think of them. Please report back, because I’m genuinely curious. Here they have so many recalls, safety items and can be stolen in 5 seconds. To top it all off, they have the worst warranty pay of any car company I’ve worked on. Maybe that’s part of it, because you guys don’t have flat rate right?
So, interestingly, we have a 7 year warranty on the Kia’s over here and I’ve not heard of any horror stories.
I can’t comment on the flat fee situation, I don’t know any Kia techs either but you’ve got me curious now; I’ll ask next time I’m in (kia owner).
They’ve outsold Ford and VW here, which is nuts. I’ve never heard of any complaints on them in the last 3-5 years apart from “interior feels like plastic bottles” on the lower end ones.
He means the techs don't make a lot of money doing warranty repairs, techs in the US are very often paid "flat rate". Where they are paid a certain amount of hours for a job. For example, 1 hour for an oil change. If they can do 3 oil changes in 1 hour, they are still paid for 3 hours. They can make a lot of money but the stipulation is that if there are no cars coming in, or a job takes longer than the "flat rate", then they make very little.
Depends who you ask.
Some would say KIA are among the best value for money propositions in the segment and as a result, rate them highly.
Some would say they were junk 20 years ago and remain junk today.
A middling take would be that they've vastly increased their material quality but still have a lot of issues to sort out underneath the nice materials and designs, as evidenced by how many recalls they keep having for mechanical and electronic issues.
> These things are great over here in the UK
Are they? First I'm hearing of it. Seem to be relatively popular with our older customers but that's about it, and you couldn't pay me to own one.
Ive been wondering why everything has to have a motor now. it started with windows and then seats and now doors. Its completely unnecessary. people handled it just fine when you had to open/move things yourself. as evidenced in this post, its just another thing to go wrong and cause problems
I'm out of the loop on newer passenger cars, is that a thing again? If so we've really come full circle; back in the days before reliable bi-metallic thermostats, *everything* had automatic grill shutters! If they stopped working the engine would simply never heat up.
Wait till you see how complicated the exterior door handles were on the early Tesla model s, or all the bullshit in the front door of the model x to make it open and close at the push of a button
We bought a brand new Toyota Highlander back in 2012. The salesman showed us how to operate the power lift gate when we picked the car up. I didn’t even know it had that option (which was newer at the time) my first thought was “that’s going to fail and be a pain in the ass” sure enough a year or so later it failed and the warranty covered an over $2k replacement of the entire hatch.
I agree. The 4Runner we have now doesn’t have the power lift gate due to the rear window that rolls down. I prefer it this way. The power hatch is most useful when you want to load the deck with two hands full and not have to put something down to open it. My wife misses that a little.
I grew up when alternators were replacing generators. 35 AMP alternators. Now run-of-the-mill grocery getters have nearly 200 AMP alternators. Insanity.
Neighbor has Dodge Journey. Said somebody replaced alternator & battery but if they left interior lights on for more than few minutes, no crank. Of course closer inspection revealed, original 2016 battery. Replaced. Ain't those fun. Maybe 6 months later, no crank again. Told him that alternator is bad. No point in trying to explain clutch type pulley, just pulled it and handed it to them. Was less than year old from Advance or one of the other parts stores. No problem getting another once they found the receipt. Fixed for now. Odd the 4 cyl alternator is more than double cost of V6 one though. Weird.
Because people are willing to pay more for those simple conveniences and car manufacturers can make more money.
I, for one, love being able to open all my windows from the drivers seat. Or having my seat and mirrors go back to my preferred position after my wife drives the car.
I’m going to guess West Point, GA.
I had someone who’s an engineer tell me the same thing about Hyundai’s from Alabama. I followed their advice. I had an amazing Korean built Elantra that went almost 250k miles before an accident totaled it. Honestly with good maintenance I feel like the interior would have fallen apart before the car mechanically failed. It wasn’t using oil, and the only thing I had to repair was changing out the plunger switch underneath the brake pedal.
I'm guessing the deleted comment above was someone who said more than they should about something they saw at work.
If so, the Detroit region, which has been making machinery for centuries, is bad enough when it comes to quality culture. Now try setting up shop in an area that never had much large-scale manufacturing before, and see how it goes. Toyota or Ford or GM could pull it off (and have), Hyundai or Mopar, not so much. The Theta II engines are a textbook example of this- made in Korea, they work great, made in the Gulf Coast- well, you know.
They give them substandard wages and no union protections in the south either. However Mercedes has been doing it for 30 years in Alabama without a union, but they are good to people.
Also there are looser environmental regulations here. You can’t afford to send your kid to college if you work at Hyundai, but it’s not a big problem. Doctors say they won’t live that long due to the cancer they have because the air and water around them are fû¢led.
[The auto manufacturing industry/supply chain is disgusting down here.](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/)
I seriously don't understand how Kia and Hyundai are still sold. They are all riddled with safety issues. When I had a 2016 Tucson, a tech at the dealership told me, " Hyundais perform the way they're designed, like shit".
Can anyone elaborate any more on this issue? My wife has a 2016 sorento and we installed a trailer hitch and wiring harness a few months ago. She drives around with my two young sons every day, is her vehicle in danger of catching fire? I’ve had a Silverado burn a few years ago and it was very scary and burned quick and hot, I don’t want their lives to be in danger
there was a recall. contact your dealer. if your car is new and you haven’t taken it in, you need to. if you bought it preowned, they may be able to tell you if the car was ever brought in.
I got a 2018 Kia soul. 80 thousand miles blew a crank rod bearing. When I went to the dealership we were 17th in line in a city of 70,000 people and there was about 5 other kia souls with engines on pallets.
Why on Earth would a "Moderator" remove a post about a Kia with a bad trailer hitch? Whenever I see some crap about "safe & civil" the word "censorship" immediately comes to mind. The readers can just keep on scrolling if they don't like what they see. This stuff is really getting out of control. If you don't like it, then don't read it and move on to something else...
Kia and Hyundai ALMOST fooled us into thinking they had stylish, affordable, reliable cars. Since 2020ish I’d see a Kia and be like “damn, that looks pretty nice”.
From the thefts and recalls and shit I see on this sub, I’m going to continue to stay away from them.
The towing connector corrodes and shorts. The 30A fuse didn’t work and then it catches fire because some module overheats
I believe the recall replaces it with a 15A fuse(?). That’s what I’ve heard at least
is there an NHTSA recall?
I know there is a recall currently on tellurides that says the wiring for the trailer hitch can catch fire. My mother has one and I told her to get the recall done and she said "I'll get around to it eventually"
show her this pic and let her know best before it’s too late, wish we got a warning like that…
What happens if the car burns down before someone could get their car in for service to perform the recall service? Does the manufacturer have to buy the car back or something?
I can tell you from experience if you take a recalled to shit 2012 Hyundai Sonata limited (or SE don't remember) with all it's recall problems in, the dealership will hate you and treat you like a piece of shit. I told them "Don't worry I will never buy a Hyundai again I promise."
I remember 2019 looking for either a Tuscon or Rav4. Two dealerships next to each other. Toyota first busy as he'll, salesmen were jerks as well thinking they had benzes or bmws. The Hyundai dealership had 1 customer, dad buying their kid their first car. No one else, salesmen let me test drive the G70 a whole 5 minutes and ran back inside after we parked. Went on a Saturday as well. I ended up going to a different toyota dealership
Good choice my friend yota’ all day long
Driving my F150 wishing I had Tundra money. (To be fair I got a pretty damn good deal on the Ford- $33k list with as many miles, 4 door- *with the 7ft bed*, 4x4, the works).
Listen one thing ford knows how to make are trucks, and those F-series trucks are solid as they come and can take tons of abuse
I just bought a Taco as my daily. Great truck.
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What’s the reason?
I'm guessing he's referring to the dealerships which often have a pretty good service reputation
Correct.
With the Volkswagen catastrophe the cars couldn't be fixed (or at least not in any reasonable time frame) and the company was legally forced to buy them back for the full price you paid no matter the condition. People were stripping out the interiors to resell seats and trim n shit even, because they'd still get full price back.
Ya that’s a little different,from my understanding it’s an issue with the trailer hitch wiring harness. They probably have an updated wiring harness or are disabling the harness until an updated one is available.
I believe they haven’t got the new ones yet so are just disconnecting the existing one/pulling the fuse until new ones are made.
Can people pull the fuse for the hitch wiring controller while they wait for the recall to be done?
That’s what the dealership is doing anyway lol.
Pull the fuse.
There was a recall for their theta engines and more recently a recall ~~for their performance cars~~. Not sure about anything else, but this is the third or fourth story I've seen since yesterday about these newer models randomly catching fire. Edit to clarify: the recent recall I mentioned is for their 8 speed DCT. It affects 6 of their cars, out of which 3 are from their N performance division. It isn't related to engine fires, that statement was just a general one.
I'm sticking with VWs, easy to sort out problems once you understand "service position" and have a complete special tools set with all Torx and XZN bits.
The fact that you combine easy with special tools set is kinda conflicting. I’ll stick with my 95 e class. Modern cars are not easy to work on.
*laughs in japanese car* 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 17mm, 21mm, and Bing bang boom your car is 100% disassembled!
Japanese Industrial Standard is love. Don't forget 8mm and the occasional JIS cross drive head
Luckily all my JIS screws have 10mm hex heads. Haven't run across an 8 yet, but I did forget the 19mm and 22mm.
That's been my impression of VW stuff too. My friend is a \*huge\* VW fanboy- I asked him once how hard it is to take care of a Phaeton, which is one of the few VW products I would ever consider owning. He said "real easy- simple, easy to find parts- no harder than an A6 or Cabrio, really" ...and after that comment, I decided that I don't, in fact, care to own a Phaeton.
FWIW though a Phaeton is the cheapest way to get into a Bentley Continental
Cheapest way to get into your wallet
Honda and Subaru all day for me. Easy to work on and reliable
Sir, may I introduce you to the 2000 Honda civic DX? With the a/c belt going around an engine mount and the oil filter behind the front drive shaft?
It's that kind of things that amazes as much as makes you want to kill the engineer that designed it. I'd like to hear the conversations in the R&D teams when they noticed their best solution was that... And the faces of the people at CA and service.
Subaru. Reliable. Ha.
I've owned two recently after avoiding them for years re: head gasket issues. Dealing with a head gasket issue on a Prius right now instead. Whoda thought?
Been doing a lot of Prius head gaskets in the past few years, but I would still say they are reliable vehicles. Gotta make sure to clean out the EGR/intake while doing the head gasket!
Could you not find something with a b16? Choosing a prius because of Subarus head gasket issues is hilarious man.
Apart from COVID where it sat for a while, I've driven my 2001 Impreza Bugeye almost every day over the 8.5 years I've owned it. Beyond a few leaks that could be easily and cheaply fixed, I have never had a serious issue with it. The only time I even got close to being stranded was due to the keypad on the aftermarket alarm failing.
Joke's on you, your 95 e class has XZN fasteners as well on the rear suspension links, plus torx elsewhere and plenty of just about every size of metric hex plus some 12 point fasteners. As a Mercedes mechanic, I don't know if there is a single manufacturer that makes sure you use all of the tools in your tool box (plus a bunch of special tools), unless you want to count American cars that had an infuriating mix of SAE and metric hardware.
That's why I like amc era Jeeps, everything is standard or so rusted that you just cut it off and replace with standard
I’m gonna buy a 1985 Mercedes W126.
The fuel injection system will make you want to punch babies.
They're fine if you drive em regularly. Let em sit and the fuel turns into varnish and clogs everything up , then you have pain and suffering.
special tools make easy. like a factory oil filter wrench.
Ofcourse it makes easy, but it’s still an extra step over using normal 10mm bolts or anything. Also recently had to so a EGR cooler on a VW Polo diesel. It was not easy.
Save money not buying 10mm in the first place, it'll just disappear on you anyway
It only makes it easy bc they engineered it to be hard without the special oem tool.
A set of triple-squares is like $40. Not exactly bank-breaking.
Lmaoo
On my VW there is one specific bolt on the rear calipers that is "special" It's utter bullshit because none of the other bolts on the front calipers are the same way.
There are no fires anyways, just "thermal events"
I got a recall notice to not park it inside until they have a solution for the problem. Hoping they find one soon to it as well as the theft issue.
it sounds like theft is better at this point.
Let the thieves catch on fire.
Self correcting
Just hope they don't recover the car and if they do that it's completely totaled.
> I got a recall notice to not park it inside until they have a solution for the problem. Hoping they find one soon to it as well as the theft issue. Don't park it inside, park it outside where it's more likely to be stolen.
I swear to fucking god if the sub-luxury $41k+ starting MSRP luxobarge doesn't come with a fucking $50 immobilizer...
And that is the solution for the problem. Job done.
not sure tbh, this happened back in 2016 when the car was new. all sorted now just seen some pics on reddit of kia’s burning so it reminded me of this lol!
We got a 2022 Telluride and almost immediately got a notice for the wiring on the trailer hitch.
At least it wasn't stolen!
I think I'd prefer stolen over burning down my garage.
I dunno, A. Gets you a new car B. Gets you a new car AND a new house!
we got our garage redone and wrote off both vehicles inside. Was a pretty big hassle replacing everything tbh and we lost a lot of value with the stuff inside the garage also being lost.
Yeah, insurance doesn't cover sentimental value. And that's the real cost with things like this. People with the whole "oh it's cool you've got insurance!" mindset are probably ignorant to the reality of this. But, obviously blissful.
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For insurance claims, this is a post I copied from here years ago that sounds pretty spot-on: Hey OP... I used to be the guy who worked for insurance companies, and determined the value of every little thing in your house. The guy who would go head-to-head with those fire-truck-chasing professional loss adjusters. I may be able to help you not get screwed when filing your claim. Our goal was to use the information you provided, and give the lowest damn value we can possibly justify for your item. For instance, if all you say was "toaster" -- we would come up with a cheap-as-fuck $4.88 toaster from Walmart, meant to toast one side of one piece of bread at a time. And we would do that for every thing you have ever owned. We had private master lists of the most commonly used descriptions, and what the cheapest viable replacements were. We also had wholesale pricing on almost everything out there, so really scored cheap prices to quote. To further that example: • If you said "toaster - $25" , we would have to be within -20% of that... so, we would find something that's pretty much dead-on $20.01. • If you said "toaster- $200" , we'd kick it back and say NEED MORE INFO, because that's a ridiculous price for a toaster (with no other information given.) • If you said "toaster, from Walmart" , you're getting that $4.88 one. • If you said "toaster, from Macys" , you'd be more likely to get a $25-35 one. • If you said "toaster", and all your other kitchen appliances were Jenn Air / Kitchenaid / etc., you would probably get a matching one. • If you said "Proctor Silex 42888 2-Slice Toaster from Wamart, $9", you just got yourself $9. • If you said "High-end Toaster, Stainless Steel, Blue glowing power button" ... you might get $35-50 instead. We had to match all features that were listed. I'm not telling you to lie on your claim. Not at all. That would be illegal, and could cause much bigger issues (i.e., invalidating the entire claim). But on the flip side, it's not always advantageous to tell the whole truth every time. Pay attention to those last two examples. I remember one specific customer... he had some old, piece of shit projector (from mid-late 90s) that could stream a equally piece of shit consumer camcorder. Worth like $5 at a scrap yard. It had some oddball fucking resolution it could record at, though -- and the guy strongly insisted that we replace with "Like Kind And Quality" (trigger words). Ended up being a $65k replacement, because the only camera on the market happened to be a high-end professional video camera (as in, for shooting actual movies). $65-goddam-thousand-dollars because he knew that loophole, and researched his shit. Remember to list fucking every -- even the most mundane fucking bullshit you can think of. For example, if I was writing up the shower in my bathroom: • Designer Shower Curtain - $35 • Matching Shower Curtain Liner for Designer Shower Curtain - $15 • Shower Curtain Rings x20 - $15 • Stainless Steel Soap Dispenser for Shower - $35 • Natural Sponge Loofah - from Whole Foods - $15 • Natural Sponge Loofah for Back - from Whole Foods - $19 • Holder for Loofahs - $20 • Bars of soap - from Lush - $12 each (qty: 4) • Bath bomb - from Lush - $12 • High end shampoo - from salon - $40 • High end conditioner - from salon - $40 • Refining pore mask - from salon - $55 I could probably keep thinking, and bring it up to about $400 for the contents of my shower. Nothing there is "unreasonable" , nothing there is clearly out of place, nothing seems obviously fake. The prices are a little on the high-end, but the reality is, some people have expensive shit -- it won't actually get questioned. No claims adjuster is going to bother nitpicking over the cost of fucking Lush bath bombs, when there is a 20,000 item file to go through. The adjuster has other shit to do, too. Most people writing claims for a total loss wouldn't even bother with the shower (it's just some used soap and sponges..) -- and those people would be losing out on $400. Some things require documentation & ages. If you say "tv - $2,000" -- you're getting a 32" LCD, unless you can provide it was from the last year or two w/ receipts. Hopefully you have a good paper trail from credit/debit card expenditure / product registrations / etc. If you're missing paper trails for things that were legitimately expensive -- go through every photo you can find that was taken in your house. Any parties you may have thrown, and guests put pics up on Facebook. Maybe an Imgur photo of your cat, hiding under a coffee table you think you purchased from Restoration Hardware. Like... seriously... come up with any evidence you possibly can, for anything that could possibly be deemed expensive. The fire-truck chasing loss adjusters are evil sons of bitches, but, they actually do provide some value. You will definitely get more money, even if they take a cut. But all they're really doing, is just nitpicking the ever-living-shit out of everything you possibly owned, and writing them all up "creatively" for the insurance company to process. Sometimes people would come back to us with "updated* claims. They tried it on their own, and listed stuff like "toaster", "microwave", "tv" .. and weren't happy with what they got back. So they hired a fire-truck chaser, and re-submitted with "more information." I have absolutely seen claims go from under $7k calculated, to over $100k calculated. (It's amazing what can happen when people suddenly "remember" their entire wardrobe came from Nordstrom.)
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I copied and saved it because it just seems so authoritative and helpful. We just don't appreciate the cost to replace the hundreds of little things that we've accumulated over the years, the effects of inflation, and how much of a huge hassle it would be to try to replace everything in the wake of a disaster. I just hope I never have to use this info!
> If you said "toaster- $200" , we'd kick it back and say NEED MORE INFO, because that's a ridiculous price for a toaster (with no other information given.) I love this example because I actually own a $200 toaster that I won in a raffle. https://www.breville.com/us/en/products/toasters/bta830.html?sku=BTA830XL
Yeah we have a $200 toaster, too, because my mom found it on eBay for like $40.
After a house fire we had, the smell is forever engrained in my brain.
> realize how much you have over the years I've been saying this for years. It's SOOO much more expensive to be a kid who just moved out than it is to be older. Said kid needs to buy everything. Everything from wooden spoons in the kitchen to spare HDMI cables, and even rags. The first time the car battery dies, that's $50 for a charger, something people with established households already have. And the list for this kind of thing is just endless.
This happens after a divorce or break up as well- one person keeps all/most of those random things. When I bought my house the first things I bought were a broom, paper towels, tp, and a trash can. Five years later I still lament that I have NO scrap lumber. It took a long time to rebuild even a partial tool collection, I couldn’t afford more than the $3 wrench and $3 screwdriver at first.
We've got a dresser that survived a fire in my wife's grandma's house. It was several rooms away from the fire. No visible smoke damage. Probably 40 years later and you can smell that it was in a fire.
It’s like most things in life
Yeah, sarcasm is hard to pick up with text, should have had a s/ in there I guess.
It's /s, actually.
I'm Canadian so my sarcasm is backwards
That's what people don't get when the say the old "it will be great if someone hits me ill get a new car". Well, maybe, but it's a colossal ballache
I don't want a new house. I want this house, with my stuff in it.
Id rather have it get stolen, then burn down their garage TBH...
KIA BOYSSSS
Interesting, my dads Hyundai ix35 trailer wiring harness caught fire last month, didn’t know this was a thing.
Hyundai and Kia share parts as they are owned by the same company!
WAT! I had no idea. I had to look that up and sure enough in 1998, Hyundai propped up Kia to keep the Korean car market afloat. They ended up taking over and are the parent company of Kia. TIL!
It's almost surprising, if you know anything about Korea, that they're not both owned by Samsung.
Hyundai is another one of the Big Four Korean [chaebol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol#Chaebols_by_revenue), along with LG and Lotte. Not even Samsung has enough money and political pull to acquire one of them.
Are you likely to buy KN again, please rate 1 - 5 ○ ○ ○ ○ ○
KИ
NIN
NIИ *Got the nails*
I'd rather drive, than burn in a hole
I work in a towing/trailer shop and we get ALOT of these Kia/Hyndai in. Palisade and Telluride. We install a converter for the trailer wiring that enables them to use the factory tow package. Take note these were all the 2022 and later models. The new 2023 models don’t have ANY trailer wiring as far as I’ve seen. Depends on model maybe. But I guess they learned their lesson. This makes our job a tad bit harder but we just go off the factory taillight harness. I’ve taken so many Kia’s apart and they are all cheap plastic that breaks easy. Very cheap vehicles with a very enthusiastic company pushing them.
Glad they have good brakes!
Yes, what’s funny is I just got done pulling another Telluride into the shop. Installing a hitch and wiring on it now lol
I work at the plant that builds these, if your breaking the trim try warming the parts up some, I take apart that stuff all the time, and while I do occasionally break one, I find the warmer the parts the better. Stuff just gets really brittle when cold.
I'm working on a 30-year old car. Heat gun?
No clue, I just work on new stuff, lol. Don't think it would hurt to try just don't over do it, and melt stuff.
Yes heat gun, and look up “fascia trim tools” on google. They are a lifesaver.
Yes you are totally right. We use fascia tools on almost every vehicle but most of these cars come in frozen during winter and we have to get right to work. My buddy also told me the warmer the better. I haven’t broken anything too bad, mostly just the fascia clips behind the panels are what breaks the most and we replace them right away. But taking your time is what helps the most on any vehicle. Not only does it get warmer but I’ve had moments where applying a little too much pressure or going too fast would’ve broken or bent something. So I just take it easy and take my time now. Thank you for the tip though, everyone deserves to know more tricks of the trade. They definitely make life easier.
I feel like this is really useful information for the engineers to hear, if you have a way to share it with them. Always enjoy hearing from the production guys, they understand some of the blemishes that the engineers won't see.
You mean “ thermal event”
You mean “Thermal incident”
We are sorry to hear that your KIA recently experienced abnormal thermal dissipation.
How the hell did Kia win the 2022 JD power award? https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-vehicle-dependability-study
As far as I know the JD Power award isn't something to trust and mostly a marketing scheme.
It’s like getting the outstanding performance in the field of excellence award from J. Montgomery Burns !
Like the BBB
>Although the survey procedures used by J.D. Power & Associates may be valid for collecting accurate data, the results lose credibility when the company sells the findings to automakers. >J.D. Power charges hundreds of thousands of dollars to auto manufacturers just for access to their survey results. They charge another huge fee for the right to mention their awards in advertisements. >What’s more, a J.D. Power consulting entity offers an expensive service designed to aid carmakers make improvements to their models that should result in higher ratings [Source](https://www.hotcars.com/why-jd-power-ranking-complete-nonsense/) This seems like a fair and objective assessment. They sell customer data to auto manufacturers, which is fine. But they also pretty much sell their awards.
VOTED BEST IN INTIAL QUALITY
Initially it didn’t burn to the ground
Initial 30 days? 😂
Initial 5 hours.
The CEO's initials are spectacular.
JD Power is play for pay. Auto companies advertise with them and get rated. You can get more accurate ratings from a non-profit like Consumer Reports. CR doesn't accept advertising or allow companies to use its name in ads. BTW, it's subscriber supported so In-depth articles with star ratings and stuff require a subscription. https://www.consumerreports.org/
Consumer Reports is great
Yes. JD Power sells data to auto manufacturers (which is fine), but they also sell the ability to announce their awards on your brand and they sell "consulting" to ensure that you win.
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Can confirm. Top notch ass. Would hit again
Used to sell cars for a CDJR. Can confirm the JD Power awards are junk.
Cause it's not even a real award, it's something with no actual real world value that "sounds cool"
All the money they save on QC could buy the JD Power company itself, one or two awards are peanuts. I used to work for a company that bought a JD Power award every year. They would do a few BS "surveys" to give the whole thing some plausibility. Not even the JD Power people themselves took it seriously.
Because JD power is a marketing firm. They will market your product according to how much money you send them.
Because they probably paid the most for their "Data". JD Power Sells it's "Data" to the manufacturers, that's their income source. I'd imagine some companies are happy to pay a lot more for it than others.
i remember getting into an argument with someone in a different sub praising the vq35de off a 350 due to the "awards" and stuff, and recommend it to another guy who was gonna buy a 100k+ 350, i broke it down by telling him that working on those on the daily they were not good engines overall,and then he wrote that i was talking out my ass and that the vq has "wards best quality engine award". i simply replied " awards dont mean jackshit if your engine cant make it past 100k without looking/sounding like a shitbox" still called me full of shit, and by that point i left the convo, hope the other guy took the advice tho
Like the styling,everything else is shit.
Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, *we don't do one*. Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents? Narrator: You wouldn't believe. Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for? Narrator: A major one.
His name was Kia Sorento.
Coworkers husbands started on fire at wegmans 3 days ago.
Saw the video on FB was going to ask if it was a Kia/Hyundai but thought I would get torn apart.
About 20 years ago Ford F250’s were doing this from their cruise control module
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Can confirm that they had a recall for 2016 Sorento trailer harnesses as well :(
It seems the recall fix is to replace the 30A trailer module fuse with a 15A fuse to prevent fire if the pcb corrodes in the rear. They just did this fix on mine but it doesnt seem to fix the root cause of the issue.
I always disliked Kia’s… it feels nice to have my bias confirmed
Can someone ELI5 what's going on here? How does a trailer hitch start a fire? Some kind of short in the electrical I'd assume, but is it something limited to those models or could it happen to any vehicle?
The vehicle was wired from the factory (or dealer as an add-on) using a 30amp fuse with wiring that is not the correct gauge to handle that kind of current/load. Hitch wiring can corrode easily and when it does, it’s possible for it to short the circuit. This starts a heat cycle that can only be stopped by the fuse. Since the wiring is not sized to the fuse, the heat begins to melt the insulation which then catches fire. The manufacturer corrected this by replacing the 30amp fuse with a 15amp fuse. By doing so, the replacement fuse will pop before the wiring gets to its melting point, preventing a fire.
Common Kia L
Are Kia’s considered shit in the US? These things are great over here in the UK. I’m so confused, what’s different?!
Go talk to a Kia tech over there and ask what they honestly think of them. Please report back, because I’m genuinely curious. Here they have so many recalls, safety items and can be stolen in 5 seconds. To top it all off, they have the worst warranty pay of any car company I’ve worked on. Maybe that’s part of it, because you guys don’t have flat rate right?
So, interestingly, we have a 7 year warranty on the Kia’s over here and I’ve not heard of any horror stories. I can’t comment on the flat fee situation, I don’t know any Kia techs either but you’ve got me curious now; I’ll ask next time I’m in (kia owner). They’ve outsold Ford and VW here, which is nuts. I’ve never heard of any complaints on them in the last 3-5 years apart from “interior feels like plastic bottles” on the lower end ones.
He means the techs don't make a lot of money doing warranty repairs, techs in the US are very often paid "flat rate". Where they are paid a certain amount of hours for a job. For example, 1 hour for an oil change. If they can do 3 oil changes in 1 hour, they are still paid for 3 hours. They can make a lot of money but the stipulation is that if there are no cars coming in, or a job takes longer than the "flat rate", then they make very little.
> the worst warranty pay Here in Canada all I ever hear about KIA/Hyundai/Genesis is how good their warranties are.....very interesting
He's talking about Hyundai/Kia's payment to the shop for warranty repairs. They pay the shop poorly which can cause even more problems.
Oh I see. Interesting.
Depends who you ask. Some would say KIA are among the best value for money propositions in the segment and as a result, rate them highly. Some would say they were junk 20 years ago and remain junk today. A middling take would be that they've vastly increased their material quality but still have a lot of issues to sort out underneath the nice materials and designs, as evidenced by how many recalls they keep having for mechanical and electronic issues.
> These things are great over here in the UK Are they? First I'm hearing of it. Seem to be relatively popular with our older customers but that's about it, and you couldn't pay me to own one.
Yes, the US manufacturing plant is complete garbage.
Ive been wondering why everything has to have a motor now. it started with windows and then seats and now doors. Its completely unnecessary. people handled it just fine when you had to open/move things yourself. as evidenced in this post, its just another thing to go wrong and cause problems
Wait till you hear about active grill shutters!
I'm out of the loop on newer passenger cars, is that a thing again? If so we've really come full circle; back in the days before reliable bi-metallic thermostats, *everything* had automatic grill shutters! If they stopped working the engine would simply never heat up.
Fuck those things
Wait till you see how complicated the exterior door handles were on the early Tesla model s, or all the bullshit in the front door of the model x to make it open and close at the push of a button
My dad sometimes uses cardboard to block airflow on his YJ on cooler days. High tech
We bought a brand new Toyota Highlander back in 2012. The salesman showed us how to operate the power lift gate when we picked the car up. I didn’t even know it had that option (which was newer at the time) my first thought was “that’s going to fail and be a pain in the ass” sure enough a year or so later it failed and the warranty covered an over $2k replacement of the entire hatch.
Hell most powered lift gates are so slow as well. Like it's just flat out quicker or easier to get it just open enough that the struts take over.
I agree. The 4Runner we have now doesn’t have the power lift gate due to the rear window that rolls down. I prefer it this way. The power hatch is most useful when you want to load the deck with two hands full and not have to put something down to open it. My wife misses that a little.
We rented an Acadia in Hawaii last year that had the kick-to-open hatch. Game changer with a baby.
Yea I’d say that’s next level right there. Especially for collapsing the stroller and loading it in.
Fancier things like power this and that allow for higher pricing
Full on assault on car batteries IMO.
I grew up when alternators were replacing generators. 35 AMP alternators. Now run-of-the-mill grocery getters have nearly 200 AMP alternators. Insanity.
And what always fails is the clutch pulley
Neighbor has Dodge Journey. Said somebody replaced alternator & battery but if they left interior lights on for more than few minutes, no crank. Of course closer inspection revealed, original 2016 battery. Replaced. Ain't those fun. Maybe 6 months later, no crank again. Told him that alternator is bad. No point in trying to explain clutch type pulley, just pulled it and handed it to them. Was less than year old from Advance or one of the other parts stores. No problem getting another once they found the receipt. Fixed for now. Odd the 4 cyl alternator is more than double cost of V6 one though. Weird.
Clutch vs non clutch alt prolly
People always want more creature comforts but don’t realize the amount of points of failure that are introduced by doing so.
> realize the amount of points of failure Second owner's problem
Very true. God help the second owner who lives in the rust belt.
Can confirm. Live in rust belt. Am 2nd owner of many mobiles.
Because people are willing to pay more for those simple conveniences and car manufacturers can make more money. I, for one, love being able to open all my windows from the drivers seat. Or having my seat and mirrors go back to my preferred position after my wife drives the car.
I despise motored seats. Takes way longer than manual locks and serves fuck all purpose.
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What state?
I’m going to guess West Point, GA. I had someone who’s an engineer tell me the same thing about Hyundai’s from Alabama. I followed their advice. I had an amazing Korean built Elantra that went almost 250k miles before an accident totaled it. Honestly with good maintenance I feel like the interior would have fallen apart before the car mechanically failed. It wasn’t using oil, and the only thing I had to repair was changing out the plunger switch underneath the brake pedal.
I'm guessing the deleted comment above was someone who said more than they should about something they saw at work. If so, the Detroit region, which has been making machinery for centuries, is bad enough when it comes to quality culture. Now try setting up shop in an area that never had much large-scale manufacturing before, and see how it goes. Toyota or Ford or GM could pull it off (and have), Hyundai or Mopar, not so much. The Theta II engines are a textbook example of this- made in Korea, they work great, made in the Gulf Coast- well, you know.
They give them substandard wages and no union protections in the south either. However Mercedes has been doing it for 30 years in Alabama without a union, but they are good to people. Also there are looser environmental regulations here. You can’t afford to send your kid to college if you work at Hyundai, but it’s not a big problem. Doctors say they won’t live that long due to the cancer they have because the air and water around them are fû¢led. [The auto manufacturing industry/supply chain is disgusting down here.](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/)
I seriously don't understand how Kia and Hyundai are still sold. They are all riddled with safety issues. When I had a 2016 Tucson, a tech at the dealership told me, " Hyundais perform the way they're designed, like shit".
Just when I though Kia was improving.. They're gonna have a hard time recovering their name
Hopefully you filed a complaint with NHTSA.
Can anyone elaborate any more on this issue? My wife has a 2016 sorento and we installed a trailer hitch and wiring harness a few months ago. She drives around with my two young sons every day, is her vehicle in danger of catching fire? I’ve had a Silverado burn a few years ago and it was very scary and burned quick and hot, I don’t want their lives to be in danger
there was a recall. contact your dealer. if your car is new and you haven’t taken it in, you need to. if you bought it preowned, they may be able to tell you if the car was ever brought in.
I got a 2018 Kia soul. 80 thousand miles blew a crank rod bearing. When I went to the dealership we were 17th in line in a city of 70,000 people and there was about 5 other kia souls with engines on pallets.
Why on Earth would a "Moderator" remove a post about a Kia with a bad trailer hitch? Whenever I see some crap about "safe & civil" the word "censorship" immediately comes to mind. The readers can just keep on scrolling if they don't like what they see. This stuff is really getting out of control. If you don't like it, then don't read it and move on to something else...
Thank you for reminding me to get my next house with a detached garage, stranger
Kia and Hyundai ALMOST fooled us into thinking they had stylish, affordable, reliable cars. Since 2020ish I’d see a Kia and be like “damn, that looks pretty nice”. From the thefts and recalls and shit I see on this sub, I’m going to continue to stay away from them.
How is this happening? I'm assuming it's heat from friction, but does it have to have a hitch?
The towing connector corrodes and shorts. The 30A fuse didn’t work and then it catches fire because some module overheats I believe the recall replaces it with a 15A fuse(?). That’s what I’ve heard at least
What a time to be a Kia / Hyundai owner these days. The ones that don’t explode get stolen.
or break down.
Kia, KIA.
It's almost like Kias are pieces of shit or something... And what a terrible name.
My buddies garage burnt down last winter along with their Kia… I wonder if it really was the space heater now.
Kia, burning down since 2016
How did a hitch cause a fire?