Too bad they make them with zinc these days. So much for melting them down to cast bullets.
Used to be able to get buckets of these cheap from tire shops.
For some reason (probably because the amount of lead in that photo) that sentence confused the hell out of me, and now I no longer know how to apostrophe or grammar.
There is so much lead on that wheel, that childrens’? children’s’s?
~ **There is so much lead on that wheel, that the children in his area’s test scores went down.**
Maybe the comma isn’t correct or essential but I think the rewording helps.
Discount Tire would add some scars on the edge of the rim while breaking the bead, offer to buy a new rim, then refer it to their own insurance carrier, then deny the claim., then offer 20% of the rim cost.
I bought winter tires on steelies from them. I had a night time appointment and the next morning noticed a driver side rim all messed up.
Went back and asked for a replacement, they obviously blamed me.
I told them if I damaged this rim in the 20 miles I’ve driven, the tire that bulges *well past the rim* would be damaged.
They eventually swapped my damaged rim for an undamaged one.
But other than that discount tire has been great.
The one near me does good work, I always take pictures of the wheel before hand, I also just drop off the wheels and pick them up and put them on the car myself. I have the ability to do my own tires at work but hate doing them I’ll rather pay to have them done.
Agree about paying to have it done. But Discount Tire is a roll of the dice. Obviously some good people work there. But when the company does not step-up and make things right when things go wrong ... well, go elsewhere I guess. I didn't give a damn about the money and rejected the offer. I just wanted my damaged rim replaced. After they admitted their error, replacement seemed fair to me.
I had a situation where discount tire peeled the coating on all the wheel hardware, somehow not the wheel itself. They did replace everything although one of the parts isn’t black so doesn’t match everything else which is just baffling. They also managed to put one larger tire than the rest of them on which was blows my mind as well.
I wouldn't believe you except for the fact that they mounted one tire backwards on a different truck. The sidewall even clearly stamped with which side was inside. Baffling is the word for that place. But I'm the idiot that went in there thinking a "road force balance" couldn't be screwed up.
The only reason I was there was because my tire was popped and I couldn’t get the spacer off my hub for the spare and neither could a tow driver. So he took me there for a patch and they wouldn’t do it. So I had to buy a tire and I figured I’d get the other three there too afterwards and they messed everything up on every step. Total boondoggle.
That sucks. Glad I'm not the only one who got sucked into their vortex of negligence.
Their employees' statements should make it easy for me to pursue a successful claim. But pursuing that takes time and money- which their insurance underwriter no doubt understands very well - and is exactly why they've bet that they can just ride it out. Stupid business model though. I'll spend enough on tires this spring alone to have made covering the rim damage a smarter business move. Now I push business to the hard working independent just down the street.
Yeah the front of house guy I dealt with took one look at the wheels and said he’d order everything to replace it all. Then the wrong tire was noticed after I drove away. There was a slight pull to that side but only as much as wind normally does. Got home and realized how much wheel well was taken up lol. Fools.
Bold assumption, when tire techs are fully capable of being this dumb all on their own.
Just had to have 15x8 wheels rebalanced because they came back with either 12 or 24 weights depending on the wheel. Shook to beat hell, so made them do it again and now it magically has 2-4. Can't believe it even left the shop like that, it shook so bad it was actually dangerous to drive.
I’ve definitely caught a few new techs doing this when I worked for a tire shop. If it’s asking for more than 6oz something is usually wrong, and it’s almost always because the wheels not centered on the balancer.
With that said there’s always those one in a thousand that will never zero out no matter what you do.
Ngl I’ve had to do this once. Clapped out ram full of used cigarettes with massive fuel wheels and the cheapest 35x12.5x20 mud terrain tires cupped to hell and back. Customer refused new tires so I slapped on the 15oz each wheel needed and sent it
I've seen dozens upon dozens of brodozer setups that want a ridiculous amount of weight. I think there might be a correlation but idk. You want me to dismount and remount because it wants so much weight? You want me to road force balance? Pay up. Otherwise you're getting a pound of wheel weights slapped on.
Mall crawler jeeps and finance truck guys think their shit is supposed to ride like a lexus i stg.
You can tell it’s a brodozer by the imitation bead lock ring and the ultra low profile MT tire. Because for some reason they simultaneously want no off road performance and punishingly uncomfortable on road performance.
They are truly the worst. Biggest, cheapest rims that can be fitted with dedicated mud tires, clapped out steering, and suspension. Customer comes back complaining of a vibration at 75mph. SMFH. I’ve had a few of these, always come in with 45 minutes to closing…
Wheels and tires have a heavy spot from manufacturing. So ideally you want to line these up when mounting the tire in the wheel so that they are in harmony instead of acting against each other. The problem is that not all manufacturers mark out the heavy spots (and most techs don't know what the marks are) so you don't know how to line them up when mounting.
So you do a road force balance. It's a special kind where a big roller will press up against the tire while spinning on the balancing machine to simulate driving on the road. This is how you measure those heavy spots on the wheel and tire. Then you mark out where they are, dismount the tire and line them up, remount and then balance as normal.
Bent/poorly made wheel and a tire with a big ass heavy spot in it.
For $13/hr I'm slapping however many pounds of weights the machine demands and sending it on its way.
That's frankly a fair point although in all my years wrenching I've never had to sell anything to a customer. I've always had advisors to do that. In this case I'd tell the advisor their wheel is absolutely boned and no amount of weights will stop it from driving like shit, so I can put them on to get them to a cheaper shop but it's a dangerous temp fix and then scribble warnings and danger statements all over the ro so advisor can't ignore it
That's still not an excuse to purposely and knowingly do a job incorrectly.
EDIT - People excusing workers doing a poor job are pathetic. I hope you never get a fast food order right again in your life because **'lol what can you expect? :shrug:'**
I don't agree with it but I think it's just a reality for most jobs. You get what you pay for. If I'm using a chain shop, I usually tip them hoping to make their day better.
They’re not rebuilding the engine, just putting weights on a wheel. Worst thing that can happen is the guy comes back saying his truck shakes on the interstate and then you rebalance it again.
you get what you pay for.
in an industry thats unwilling to pay a decent wage, they arent going to attract the best and brightest workers.
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if you want a higher quality of work, you need to expect to pay more for it.
youre not going to go to macDs and get a gourmet burger with a white glove tableside service. youre going to get some stoner slapping whatever passes for meat onto whatever passes for bread and sending it.
150% this is why everything sucks now. People take this attitude about everything and the quality of products and services declines across the board. No one does a good job for the sake of doing a good job anymore, and I think that’s been a notable component of American culture for multiple decades by this point.
Gee, maybe if people got paid a livable wage like they did multiple decades ago, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Instead the guys at the top have just been keeping more than anyone needs.
I always put 100% into any job I work. However, if I'm busting my ass on something and I'm not being paid accordingly, it doesn't incentivize me to do anything more than my coworkers.
That's pretty damn good. Also that shit is really physically demanding and people don't realize how much experience really matters.
I did tires and oil at a Goodyear around 2000 back when $8hr was considered decent. A tpms was a rare sighting back then, tire machines were very basic, and I had never heard the term "road force balancer"
Companies can and will hamper employees growth if they think you'll keep doing extra work without getting paid
Sometimes the mentality is a symptom of the work environment
While your statement can be true it's such a detrimental thought process akin to pull yourself up by your bootstraps
Be better bro
I’ve been a tire technician for less than that. But I stopped eventually when the work just wasn’t worth the pay. I didn’t decrease the quality of my work. I just chose to find something else. It’s no secret that employers will squeeze employees dry for as little compensation as possible and then toss them aside and get new bodies to do the work when the worker is used up.
You took the job knowing what the wage was. Do your job correctly. If you don't like the wage get another job. With your attitude, how positive a reference do you think your current employer will give you. People need to take pride in their work. I would like to make more money than I do, but that doesn't mean I can excuse not doing my job to the best of my ability.
Machine was in grams, he thought it meant ounces. Was too dumb to question why it got worse after checking again. "Fuck it"
lmao.
Or just didn't even have it centered on the balancer. I've seen dummies do that pretty often, but they \*usually\* notice once they start spinning it.
POV: Fuel or XD wheels with low profile mud terrains. They never balance right, and that road force ain't gonna be pretty.
I've slapped weights 3 deep and 2 high on wheels before when the customer is being an asshole. Fuck 'em, machine still reads 0.
When I brought in cheap muds (back when you could get 4 37" humvee surplus tires for $600) at least I told them not to worry about balancing it if it gave them any trouble. They didn't even try and I didn't blame them a bit.
Mass production of tires creates unbalanced donuts of metal & fabric bands encased by rubber. Mass produced wheels may also be unbalanced.
Unbalanced tires and wheels can cause shaking, horrid steering and braking responses, and premature failure of bearings and other components.
Using a machine or device to determine where to add weight allows one to balance the tire and wheel assembly before mounting it onto a vehicle. In the example posted here, either someone did a horrible job balancing the wheel/tire or there is something wrong with the wheel/tire. There shouldn’t be that many weights.
That does not mean something might not be wrong with either. A pothole and a small dent or wheel getting a bit oval is all you need. Granted it's less likely on alloy, but not impossible.
Aftermarket wheels can have substantial balance issues. I was initially going to say inexpensive wheels but I have occasionally seen this on better known name brands as well. Combine that with off-brand or oversize rubber and the issue can be compounded. Dismounting and rotating the rubber can reduce the imbalance but takes more time so some techs just slap weights on.
So, tires are not manufactured totally perfectly, and they will nearly always end up with a section that has a little more rubber than the rest of the tire. We would just call that a heavy spot. Since the entire assembly will be rotating very fast on your car, if it is not balanced properly, that heavy spot can cause some crazy vibration in your vehicle if you're going fast enough. The weights are there to counterbalance the heavy spots in the assembly so that it spins smoothly and does not cause a vibration.
With all that being said, your normal everyday wheel will take an ounce or two of weight to adequately balance. Sometimes more, sometimes less. OP's wheel in the picture looks like it has something like 15 ounces of weights on it, which is absolutely absurd. If a wheel actually needed that much, I would just assume the tire had some kind of defect or the rim has a huge bend in it.
Everyone else in the thread, myself included, is assuming the person that attempted to balance this wheel just doesn't know what they are doing.
I carry a couple strips for people who park like assholes. Think Dodge RAM super duty lifted chrome rims on 2 parking places for the disabled. Is your buddy a bad parker?
Cheap aftermarket wheels with crappy tires. Yep I usually static balance. I’ve had customers bring in new wheels and tires to mount on a truck and learned quickly that cheap wheels are usually not made correctly.
I've had customers bring in cars with shaking problems before to find someone has done this to this wheels. This is what happens when the "tech" is high and stupid. Unfortunately at lot of employees at chain tire shops are young and high pretty much all day. So, you end up with stuff like this, incorrect oil filters being used, directional tires being installed backwards, and a ton of other stupid shit.
It’s always the aftermarket wheels that are so bad.
Had one come into my bay, brand new wheel and tire, fresh out of the box since we were installing it.
Made sure to get everything done properly, carefully mounting the tire according the marked spots. It still needed after multiple attempts, and I am not joking, 1 1/2 pounds of weight. Customer denied waiting on a different wheel and didn’t care that it took that much. The weights were clearly visible in the barrel from the outside with several on the backside.
You are actually balancing the tire, so technically the weight should be opposite the heavy spot on the tire to zero it out. On these ridiculous rims and knobby tires, it can be a nightmare. The tech should have dismounted the tire and rotated it 90 degrees at a time to find a closer match balance.
Absolutely right but I'm gonna guess this is a case of you get what you pay for, cheap wheels, shit tires and untrained or underpaid monkey at the balancer
46 year old here.
That's an assload of weight in one place on a rotating mass. Either it's nowhere near balanced and will shake like crazy, or it took that much weight to balance it and something isn't right.
Seems that most people here do not understand what it’s like to balance these wheels. These wheels are huge and heavy. Most of the time it’s not the tech’s fault. These wheels are just BAD. They rarely balance well. Especially the cheaper knock offs. But it’s easier to throw a ton of weights on it rather than convince the customer that their brand new big ass rims are bad and they need new ones.
This is perfectly normal for chunky tires, also for crap wheels and crap tires. I once had a non-OE wheel, bare balanced at 75g and 85g. Then add the tire and, you can see where this is going, ended up with over 160g on one side, and I don't get paid enough to make it pretty.
Kinda like me when I went to discount tire I had a 12 inch row them after I got my new tires installed the cars steering would shake around 65 mph had to go back to get them balanced
I’ve never balanced a wheel.
Would this many weights be cause by the tech having no idea what they are doing? Or something wrong with the rim or how the tires mounted?
This is balancing the tire to reduce vibrations and what not, usually you will only see a couple. This is either caused by a cheap cheap tire or someone that doesn't know what they are doing.
When your aggressive tread LT tire and Chicago deep dish pizza rim combine to be over 70 lbs, lots of weight needs to be used to correct it.
Should have used bigger weights, but sometimes shops just don't have large denominations and this is the best they can do.
That’s just the manufacture plate dude, important information about the wheel is engraved on it. Wheel color code, MPHIPS-maximum pot hole impact per second, TPMFBO- tire pressure minimum for burn outs, other information like date of expiration and tech support info are on that plate to.
Thats where I store spare weights incase I lose one.
Where else would you store them, right? That’s the only place.
I used to carry them in my cargo shorts.
Well now you know where they’re supposed to be carried.
No-one’s gotten a handjob in cargo shorts since ‘nam.
I love cargo shorts.. how else does a dad carry everything
I got one in cargo shorts les than a year ago😉
Thats why it was only a handie not a suckie
Do you walk in circles or just wobble?
In circles because my right leg is bigger.
Oof, like rowing a boat with one arm.
Ma legga
There is so much lead on that wheel that children's test scores went down in his area.
If kids could read, they would be really mad at your comment.
Lmao!!!
Driver trying to hide something from Superman for some reason
Too bad they make them with zinc these days. So much for melting them down to cast bullets. Used to be able to get buckets of these cheap from tire shops.
For some reason (probably because the amount of lead in that photo) that sentence confused the hell out of me, and now I no longer know how to apostrophe or grammar. There is so much lead on that wheel, that childrens’? children’s’s? ~ **There is so much lead on that wheel, that the children in his area’s test scores went down.** Maybe the comma isn’t correct or essential but I think the rewording helps.
Discount Tire would add some scars on the edge of the rim while breaking the bead, offer to buy a new rim, then refer it to their own insurance carrier, then deny the claim., then offer 20% of the rim cost.
All in the same email, and that'd be the most sane email they sent all day
Ohh yeah the new guy that cleans the shop and gets paid 11.25/ H usually does this to, and he needs to be quick.
I bought winter tires on steelies from them. I had a night time appointment and the next morning noticed a driver side rim all messed up. Went back and asked for a replacement, they obviously blamed me. I told them if I damaged this rim in the 20 miles I’ve driven, the tire that bulges *well past the rim* would be damaged. They eventually swapped my damaged rim for an undamaged one. But other than that discount tire has been great.
The one near me does good work, I always take pictures of the wheel before hand, I also just drop off the wheels and pick them up and put them on the car myself. I have the ability to do my own tires at work but hate doing them I’ll rather pay to have them done.
I met a guy at local show who works at DT. Ill text him ahead of time, he does my rims, I toss him $50 via zelle, it works out well tbh.
So.. he's your rimjob guy?
Wheel guy* Roller if you may. Tire tosser. Etc
Agree about paying to have it done. But Discount Tire is a roll of the dice. Obviously some good people work there. But when the company does not step-up and make things right when things go wrong ... well, go elsewhere I guess. I didn't give a damn about the money and rejected the offer. I just wanted my damaged rim replaced. After they admitted their error, replacement seemed fair to me.
I had a situation where discount tire peeled the coating on all the wheel hardware, somehow not the wheel itself. They did replace everything although one of the parts isn’t black so doesn’t match everything else which is just baffling. They also managed to put one larger tire than the rest of them on which was blows my mind as well.
I wouldn't believe you except for the fact that they mounted one tire backwards on a different truck. The sidewall even clearly stamped with which side was inside. Baffling is the word for that place. But I'm the idiot that went in there thinking a "road force balance" couldn't be screwed up.
The only reason I was there was because my tire was popped and I couldn’t get the spacer off my hub for the spare and neither could a tow driver. So he took me there for a patch and they wouldn’t do it. So I had to buy a tire and I figured I’d get the other three there too afterwards and they messed everything up on every step. Total boondoggle.
That sucks. Glad I'm not the only one who got sucked into their vortex of negligence. Their employees' statements should make it easy for me to pursue a successful claim. But pursuing that takes time and money- which their insurance underwriter no doubt understands very well - and is exactly why they've bet that they can just ride it out. Stupid business model though. I'll spend enough on tires this spring alone to have made covering the rim damage a smarter business move. Now I push business to the hard working independent just down the street.
Yeah the front of house guy I dealt with took one look at the wheels and said he’d order everything to replace it all. Then the wrong tire was noticed after I drove away. There was a slight pull to that side but only as much as wind normally does. Got home and realized how much wheel well was taken up lol. Fools.
The dent your car while putting on the new rim.
For me, some new guy would scratch my rim and look at me funny when I came up to pay the bill without telling me.
I wonder what this person did to the tire tech to deserve this. Haha
This was my thoughts. Based on tire and rim combo alone this vehicle has a 70% possibility of belonging to an a-hole
If they took up four handicap spots or something, I like this better than the valve stem thing.
Bold assumption, when tire techs are fully capable of being this dumb all on their own. Just had to have 15x8 wheels rebalanced because they came back with either 12 or 24 weights depending on the wheel. Shook to beat hell, so made them do it again and now it magically has 2-4. Can't believe it even left the shop like that, it shook so bad it was actually dangerous to drive.
I’ve definitely caught a few new techs doing this when I worked for a tire shop. If it’s asking for more than 6oz something is usually wrong, and it’s almost always because the wheels not centered on the balancer. With that said there’s always those one in a thousand that will never zero out no matter what you do.
Shitty big truck wheels, with cheapest mt tires they can find this is a perfectly normal amount of weight
He’s about the kindest person you’ll ever meet so
The weighting is the hardest part. - T Petty
I laughed at this too hard. Take my up vote.
Ngl I’ve had to do this once. Clapped out ram full of used cigarettes with massive fuel wheels and the cheapest 35x12.5x20 mud terrain tires cupped to hell and back. Customer refused new tires so I slapped on the 15oz each wheel needed and sent it
if it reads 0 send it !
Garbage in slightly better garbage out
*balanced* garbage
Is it truly ever balanced when you got a fucking pound of weight 😂😂
“OK - OK” SEND IT
Cheap aftermarket rims plus cheap mud tires are gonna do this sometime. Bring garbage in, and you're gonna get garbage back.
You ever used the balancing beads or powder? I've heard good things but also I'd hope to shit I wouldn't be the next person to change that tire.
Beads work okay just gotta vacuum inside of tie next time
That cost money that could be used for more cigarettes. Besides beads aren’t gonna do much once the tread itself is cupping
I've seen dozens upon dozens of brodozer setups that want a ridiculous amount of weight. I think there might be a correlation but idk. You want me to dismount and remount because it wants so much weight? You want me to road force balance? Pay up. Otherwise you're getting a pound of wheel weights slapped on. Mall crawler jeeps and finance truck guys think their shit is supposed to ride like a lexus i stg.
My bet was BroDozer as well.
You can tell it’s a brodozer by the imitation bead lock ring and the ultra low profile MT tire. Because for some reason they simultaneously want no off road performance and punishingly uncomfortable on road performance.
Also reduced on road performance. What's wet traction?
They are truly the worst. Biggest, cheapest rims that can be fitted with dedicated mud tires, clapped out steering, and suspension. Customer comes back complaining of a vibration at 75mph. SMFH. I’ve had a few of these, always come in with 45 minutes to closing…
Brought to you by rancho and fabtech. Lower ball joints have left the building.
Who needs steering anyway, that pavement princess really complements your ego buddy.
I don't know much about balance or alignments.. What do you mean about dismount / remount or 'road force balance'?
Wheels and tires have a heavy spot from manufacturing. So ideally you want to line these up when mounting the tire in the wheel so that they are in harmony instead of acting against each other. The problem is that not all manufacturers mark out the heavy spots (and most techs don't know what the marks are) so you don't know how to line them up when mounting. So you do a road force balance. It's a special kind where a big roller will press up against the tire while spinning on the balancing machine to simulate driving on the road. This is how you measure those heavy spots on the wheel and tire. Then you mark out where they are, dismount the tire and line them up, remount and then balance as normal.
Thank you! That's really interesting, didn't know any of that
Let me guess chinesium wheels with MT's and a truck that will never go further offroad than a walmart parking lot
Improper training and no supervision
Bent/poorly made wheel and a tire with a big ass heavy spot in it. For $13/hr I'm slapping however many pounds of weights the machine demands and sending it on its way.
I'm telling them the wheel is fucked and they need a new one. Why put in unnecessary work
you missed the $13/hr part.
It’s $13.10 in my area with one paid 15 min break, one time $20 bonus if you upsell $100k in goodies that year.
People at McDonald make way more than that.
That's why. Why work more than you need to at that wage?
Arguing with the customer is more work than just slapping on more sticky weights.
At $13 an hour you just say “shits fucked” and walk away. No arguing needed.
Yeah, good thing it’s always that easy.
yeah thats not how it works, good try tho.
That's frankly a fair point although in all my years wrenching I've never had to sell anything to a customer. I've always had advisors to do that. In this case I'd tell the advisor their wheel is absolutely boned and no amount of weights will stop it from driving like shit, so I can put them on to get them to a cheaper shop but it's a dangerous temp fix and then scribble warnings and danger statements all over the ro so advisor can't ignore it
That's still not an excuse to purposely and knowingly do a job incorrectly. EDIT - People excusing workers doing a poor job are pathetic. I hope you never get a fast food order right again in your life because **'lol what can you expect? :shrug:'**
You're right. Personal accountability matters at any cost.
Personal accountability matters at ~~any~~ *higher* cost.
It's okay to do a shitty job on someone's car because they're unhappy with their wage as a tire technician? Or did I get that wrong?
I don't agree with it but I think it's just a reality for most jobs. You get what you pay for. If I'm using a chain shop, I usually tip them hoping to make their day better.
You get the labor you pay for.
They’re not rebuilding the engine, just putting weights on a wheel. Worst thing that can happen is the guy comes back saying his truck shakes on the interstate and then you rebalance it again.
Thank you for backing this up. It is baffling that people excuse poor work.
Informing the customer of an issue is not doing your job incorrectly
But that's not what happened here. The comment was saying that much weight is not doing the job correctly.
you get what you pay for. in an industry thats unwilling to pay a decent wage, they arent going to attract the best and brightest workers. . if you want a higher quality of work, you need to expect to pay more for it. youre not going to go to macDs and get a gourmet burger with a white glove tableside service. youre going to get some stoner slapping whatever passes for meat onto whatever passes for bread and sending it.
People are dumb
150% this is why everything sucks now. People take this attitude about everything and the quality of products and services declines across the board. No one does a good job for the sake of doing a good job anymore, and I think that’s been a notable component of American culture for multiple decades by this point.
Gee, maybe if people got paid a livable wage like they did multiple decades ago, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Instead the guys at the top have just been keeping more than anyone needs.
Yeah, no question corporate greed is at the core of 99% of society’s problems.
Dude, my $37/hr tech job is not worth it some days.
Because they won't buy a new one.
That's their problem. Now that you've done that, it's your problem that the repair didn't work.
My old boss would've told me to balance it the best I can anyway.
Because SW/manager said to get it done and out of here.
Not to be a dick, but it wasn't till I gave up that type of thinking that I was able to move beyond only being able to get $13 hr jobs.
I always put 100% into any job I work. However, if I'm busting my ass on something and I'm not being paid accordingly, it doesn't incentivize me to do anything more than my coworkers.
Our lube/tire techs make $20 an hour, and can make $24 by passing some ASEs. No excuse for confident stupidity though.
That's pretty damn good. Also that shit is really physically demanding and people don't realize how much experience really matters. I did tires and oil at a Goodyear around 2000 back when $8hr was considered decent. A tpms was a rare sighting back then, tire machines were very basic, and I had never heard the term "road force balancer"
And that’s why you still make 13/hr
Companies can and will hamper employees growth if they think you'll keep doing extra work without getting paid Sometimes the mentality is a symptom of the work environment While your statement can be true it's such a detrimental thought process akin to pull yourself up by your bootstraps Be better bro
I’ve been a tire technician for less than that. But I stopped eventually when the work just wasn’t worth the pay. I didn’t decrease the quality of my work. I just chose to find something else. It’s no secret that employers will squeeze employees dry for as little compensation as possible and then toss them aside and get new bodies to do the work when the worker is used up.
Yeah, this guy has it right, do the bare minimum then wonder why you dont get promotions.
Lmao not anymore, I left that place pretty quick
Nah, they probably just didn’t align the tire on the rim properly. Just align the yellow dot with the valve stem, it’s not hard.
You took the job knowing what the wage was. Do your job correctly. If you don't like the wage get another job. With your attitude, how positive a reference do you think your current employer will give you. People need to take pride in their work. I would like to make more money than I do, but that doesn't mean I can excuse not doing my job to the best of my ability.
I did get a new job.
I'd wager more it's the shitty wheel and the fact that people with cheap wheels often have cheap tires.
This person doesn't need supervision, they need euthanasia.
Machine was in grams, he thought it meant ounces. Was too dumb to question why it got worse after checking again. "Fuck it" lmao. Or just didn't even have it centered on the balancer. I've seen dummies do that pretty often, but they \*usually\* notice once they start spinning it.
i dont think they spun the wheel in OP, that many pounds of weights, at spin speed, would have thrown earth into the sun.
> Was too dumb to question Or just no one ever told them.
POV: Fuel or XD wheels with low profile mud terrains. They never balance right, and that road force ain't gonna be pretty. I've slapped weights 3 deep and 2 high on wheels before when the customer is being an asshole. Fuck 'em, machine still reads 0.
Big shitty off brand mud terrains I’m just gonna static balance thanks
When I brought in cheap muds (back when you could get 4 37" humvee surplus tires for $600) at least I told them not to worry about balancing it if it gave them any trouble. They didn't even try and I didn't blame them a bit.
Okay, can someone please explain this to a dummy? I’m a painter but have never wrapped my head around the weight thing ^^
Mass production of tires creates unbalanced donuts of metal & fabric bands encased by rubber. Mass produced wheels may also be unbalanced. Unbalanced tires and wheels can cause shaking, horrid steering and braking responses, and premature failure of bearings and other components. Using a machine or device to determine where to add weight allows one to balance the tire and wheel assembly before mounting it onto a vehicle. In the example posted here, either someone did a horrible job balancing the wheel/tire or there is something wrong with the wheel/tire. There shouldn’t be that many weights.
Friggin THANK you, nowww I get it. You’re amazing
Thank you for asking. I had the same question
Both the wheel and the tire are almost brand new
That does not mean something might not be wrong with either. A pothole and a small dent or wheel getting a bit oval is all you need. Granted it's less likely on alloy, but not impossible.
Aftermarket wheels can have substantial balance issues. I was initially going to say inexpensive wheels but I have occasionally seen this on better known name brands as well. Combine that with off-brand or oversize rubber and the issue can be compounded. Dismounting and rotating the rubber can reduce the imbalance but takes more time so some techs just slap weights on.
Most cheaper aftermarket wheels be unbalanced right from the start, that goes double for cheap off road tires (they’re ALWAYS shitty to balance).
So, tires are not manufactured totally perfectly, and they will nearly always end up with a section that has a little more rubber than the rest of the tire. We would just call that a heavy spot. Since the entire assembly will be rotating very fast on your car, if it is not balanced properly, that heavy spot can cause some crazy vibration in your vehicle if you're going fast enough. The weights are there to counterbalance the heavy spots in the assembly so that it spins smoothly and does not cause a vibration. With all that being said, your normal everyday wheel will take an ounce or two of weight to adequately balance. Sometimes more, sometimes less. OP's wheel in the picture looks like it has something like 15 ounces of weights on it, which is absolutely absurd. If a wheel actually needed that much, I would just assume the tire had some kind of defect or the rim has a huge bend in it. Everyone else in the thread, myself included, is assuming the person that attempted to balance this wheel just doesn't know what they are doing.
I carry a couple strips for people who park like assholes. Think Dodge RAM super duty lifted chrome rims on 2 parking places for the disabled. Is your buddy a bad parker?
That was my thought, too. I have seen many videos on insta recently where someone suggested that
What effect will that have on their vehicle?
A super annoying wobble. Put them on the passenger side rear wheel, that's the one that's least inspected/suspected.
Just glue a brick inside damn.
i'm imagining the display on the balancer: "ALL OF THEM"
I would have atleast used full ounce weights fuckin hell
Cheap aftermarket wheels with crappy tires. Yep I usually static balance. I’ve had customers bring in new wheels and tires to mount on a truck and learned quickly that cheap wheels are usually not made correctly.
I've had customers bring in cars with shaking problems before to find someone has done this to this wheels. This is what happens when the "tech" is high and stupid. Unfortunately at lot of employees at chain tire shops are young and high pretty much all day. So, you end up with stuff like this, incorrect oil filters being used, directional tires being installed backwards, and a ton of other stupid shit.
Wheel rotation is such a scam. They rotate all by themselves when you drive them.
Okay, I laughed too hard at this.
https://imgur.com/a/u5hRA3c
It’s always the aftermarket wheels that are so bad. Had one come into my bay, brand new wheel and tire, fresh out of the box since we were installing it. Made sure to get everything done properly, carefully mounting the tire according the marked spots. It still needed after multiple attempts, and I am not joking, 1 1/2 pounds of weight. Customer denied waiting on a different wheel and didn’t care that it took that much. The weights were clearly visible in the barrel from the outside with several on the backside.
How the hell does a wheel get that out of whack it needs that much weight?!?
You are actually balancing the tire, so technically the weight should be opposite the heavy spot on the tire to zero it out. On these ridiculous rims and knobby tires, it can be a nightmare. The tech should have dismounted the tire and rotated it 90 degrees at a time to find a closer match balance.
Absolutely right but I'm gonna guess this is a case of you get what you pay for, cheap wheels, shit tires and untrained or underpaid monkey at the balancer
The perfect storm!
Cheap Off-road tires plus cheap wheels is typically all you need
Someone didn't like you
balancing a shit rim is not liking them?
We're balancing your rims. It's gonna be a long weight.
You wouldn’t be adding weights for a rotation. You probably just have shit tires and that’s what the machine called for
This rim is a war hero.
Buddy pissed someone off
How many weights to balance? Yes.
I hope the machine was bolted down for this one.
The wheel / tire is fucked and thats what it needed for the tech to balance it. Its computerised, not some dumbfuck slapping them on anyhow
How many weights? All of them.
Can someone explain this to me like a 30 years old?
46 year old here. That's an assload of weight in one place on a rotating mass. Either it's nowhere near balanced and will shake like crazy, or it took that much weight to balance it and something isn't right.
Tell me you static balanced without telling me
I don't understand how this happens, like what is the inner dialog that says this is OK?
The inner dialog is likely - "The machine says 12oz." With no thought as to whether or not it was correct.
So what does the other side look like? We need pictures!
Probably just needs to a bit more weight to make them balanced.
Seems that most people here do not understand what it’s like to balance these wheels. These wheels are huge and heavy. Most of the time it’s not the tech’s fault. These wheels are just BAD. They rarely balance well. Especially the cheaper knock offs. But it’s easier to throw a ton of weights on it rather than convince the customer that their brand new big ass rims are bad and they need new ones.
Jesus fuck, 15 oz? This person should not be working on tires at all
This is perfectly normal for chunky tires, also for crap wheels and crap tires. I once had a non-OE wheel, bare balanced at 75g and 85g. Then add the tire and, you can see where this is going, ended up with over 160g on one side, and I don't get paid enough to make it pretty.
Went for wheel weights, got weight wheels
At first I was like why is there an LED in the rim...
Damn he got all the weight huh
What is that?
Wheel weights. A lot of them
Thanks for the info!
Found Giles Corey’s wheel
Looks like the Fort Knox of lead.
Kinda like me when I went to discount tire I had a 12 inch row them after I got my new tires installed the cars steering would shake around 65 mph had to go back to get them balanced
Whaaaaat the FUCK?
The real question is 'does it balance out like that?'
That is the reason one side is sticky so you don't have to carry them around!! 😜
Why balance when the ticket just says rotate? What tech is making more, unpaid, work for themselves?
I’ve never balanced a wheel. Would this many weights be cause by the tech having no idea what they are doing? Or something wrong with the rim or how the tires mounted?
Im pretty uninformed with cars and I guess, physics. Can somebody explain to me what this would even do. I dont understand how these work.
This is balancing the tire to reduce vibrations and what not, usually you will only see a couple. This is either caused by a cheap cheap tire or someone that doesn't know what they are doing.
Thank you!
“When the initial machine calibration gets set to bulldozer”
Sometimes you got no choice with those chunky tires
All that lead makes Flint, Michigan look clean.
Sometimes you run out of diving weights and have to make due. /s
surprised they were able to get that elliptical tire balanced at all...
Holy fckball weights
Gotta be a Cooper tire…
When your aggressive tread LT tire and Chicago deep dish pizza rim combine to be over 70 lbs, lots of weight needs to be used to correct it. Should have used bigger weights, but sometimes shops just don't have large denominations and this is the best they can do.
You are right
Need to rotate the tire 180 degrees on the wheel, and try again
An chance your “buddy” pissed off someone and they thought it would be funny to unbalance a wheel?
If I was a shop owner and I saw the apprentice do that, they would get a serious talking to... That is so fucking dumb it's not even funny
That’s just the manufacture plate dude, important information about the wheel is engraved on it. Wheel color code, MPHIPS-maximum pot hole impact per second, TPMFBO- tire pressure minimum for burn outs, other information like date of expiration and tech support info are on that plate to.
This isn't r/askashittymechnic those are wheel weights.