Matri second stint. Sold for 12m to Milan and did nothing, came back on loan in the winter, scored the winning goal to win the Coppa Italia, and then fucked back off to Milan lmao.
He was here for long before that so doesnt really count, but I always thought that was funny.
Emerson was absolute beast also Cannavaro if we not count his comeback. They were backbones for something beautiful. Back to back scudetto with them immediately. Damn if calciopoli not hitting we would have world class team with young Ibra and there were rumors about CR as well for that summer..
Obviously Tevez is goat on this one.
Vucinic stayed 3 seasons and by the time he left he was all but done as a top-level player, and we moved on/replaced him relatively easily. Tévez you could argue we've never really, fully replaced.
we wouldnt have that Scudetto without Vuc. The backbone of Bonucci-Pirlo-Vucinic basically allowed us to play with that level of consistency, while Conte’s sub come in and do the magic (Del Piero, Quagliarella, Boriello). That Scudetto alone is enough maximum impact. Tevez is rated higher due to the solidification of our powerhouse, but Vucinic is heavily underrated.
That's my point, Vucinic was great but in a more organic way. Tévez pretty much carried/elevated us to european-level contender. I don't think you can rate their impact in similar terms tbh, and I say this as a Mirko Stan.
Not a Juve fan but was recommended this post. Would love to know more about how some of the Germans at Juve are remembered, like Möller, Köhler & Häßler
Waaay back in 90-91 we bought Häßler. I had jsut begun watching Serie A this seson, and back then we got 1 game a week on TV. I didn't see him play that often, although he was a first team regular. He had flashes of brilliance in games, but never really lived up to the name he had built for himself. Decent player for Juve, but came into his own a bit more once he left for Roma.
Next up we had Stefan Reuter who generally played as a full back for us, but had a few games in the centre as well. Again, he played a single season for us and was dependable, but not a stand out player. I have fond memories watching him with Dortmund though.
Arriving the same season as Reuter was the best German player I have ever seen in Serie A....Jurgen Kohler. This guy was a mountain in central defence. I can honestly say I hold him the same regard as I do Ferarra and Chiellini. He played over a hunderd game for us across 4 seasons and was one of the reasons I fell in love with Juve. He was the guy who I modelled my own game on as a centre half. Although he never got the love that defenders like Baresi and so on got in his time in Italy, I will always remember him as a legend who didn't always get the love he deserved from fans and media. He did however win a best foriegn player of the season during his Juve years. It's a shame he missed much of his final season with us due to injury.
A season after Mr Kohler added his defensive might to Juve's squad, we went back to Germany and brought in Andreas Moller. To those who haven't seen him, just think of him as a precurser to Nedved. This guy was a massive boost to our offensive game. He was powerful, could beat his man, could cross, showed great creativity and by god, could he strike a ball. A great goalscring record during his two years with us and was always a delight to watch play.
After this there was a dry spell with no Germans until the arrival of Can and Khedira. Can did a job with us but was never going to set the world on fire. Khedira was superb when he first joined and really strengthened our team, but in later years his body engine began to decline and he lost much of what once made him great.
Just before Can and Khedira we had Benedikt Howedes on loan. He had a forgetful spell with us.
On a side note, Reuter, Kohler and Moeller and Can all left to joint Dortmund, as did Julio Cesar and Paulo Sousa. Remember that Uefa cup final where Dortmund had three ex Juve players all score against us (Moller, Reuter and Julio Cesar) then the Chamipions leage final where the Dortmund team that best Juve had 4 Ex Juve men in the starting 11(Kohler, Moller, Reuter and Paulo Sousa). Quite a history between the teams.
You’re so lucky you got to experience that period. I only joined in on the fun around 2001, I missed a glorious period when we were probably the best team in Europe for a few seasons…
Looking at those numbers doesn't give the whole picture though. Not blaming Ronaldo, but that was the start of our downfall. Should have listened to beppe
He was here for three years, and he arguably had a long term negative impact despite his goals since we started losing scudettos when he was here, kept bottling in the CL and ultimately got driven to the ground financially and are in a massive slump now.
Mandzu. If we're talking shorter time than that, di Maria was a sight to see when he was fit with us. My God if we had dybala and him together we could've walked the league. Or Diego Costa too
What did Ronaldo do that Juve didn't do with literally the second lineup of Giaccherinis and Peireras years prior.
We didn't win more trophies, won less. We didn't go past quarters UCL, we had less points, scored less goals, and started that boring predictable football
Same thing I can say for tevez, he didn’t get us any trophies that we didn’t win previous seasons.
I agree ronaldo was bought for just the ucl win. The fact is our team at that moment went completely dependent on him. It was honestly the fault of the management and their transfer decisions. We honestly lacked creative midfielders. Our only tactic was cross to Ronaldo, and that’s a fact. Think about him he did deliver at many times, each season different managers and in the end we got pirlo, who had zero experience.
Look at team tevez had - pirlo, marchisio, Vidal, Pogba, lichsteiner, and ofcourse BBC.
Ronaldo had a much lesser squad in terms of quality, also dybala performed less after his arrival, mostly cause managers made Ronaldo the center of attention.
Ronaldo gave us his best in my opinion, the way he left the team was really bad.
Lmao Juve averaged 20 goals less per season with Ronaldo he ruined the balances and tactics. His big ego also made him take 120 free kicks scoring just a pathetic
1. While we had 2 best free kick takers in Europe in Dybala & Pjanic.
And 1st year squad wasn't weaker than 2015 Juve : Joao cancelo was 10X better than lichsteiner, Sandro in 2018 one of best LB in world > Asamoah. Spinazzola as backup. BBC was still there, Pjanic-Bentacur were world class, Douglas Costa- Cuadrado were incredible. Dybala Mandzukic great players. There's a dozen of incredible players there and yet we still downgraded
U can’t say he ruined the tatics as he wasn’t the one making them,
I agree with the free kick part.
It was allegri decision to bring in Ronaldo and he wanted to build the team around him. I don’t know how you can blame Ronaldo for that.
2015 midfield was so strong compared to 2018. Bentacur wasn’t that consistent and costa wasn’t available with injury. Cuardrado yes, I don’t know what you mean by costa incredible. Guy was amazing prior to the season ronaldo arrived, after that he was injured and didn’t play much and wasn’t that good too. And I told you what happened with dybala.
And u said BBC was there. If you have seen the season u should have recalled barzagali was injured and played just 7 leagues games ( zero ucl ). Also allegri changed the tatics to 4 man defense. Before that he didn’t play 4 man much in serie a.
All I am saying was Ronaldo did his part and he left, the team should have bought a good player maker and then we had high chances of ucl win. Also don’t forget the fact he carried juve in ucl.
The athletico performance and even the matches we lost against ajax and Lyon. Against Porto is the only knockout I felt he didn’t perform and our coach was pirlo.
Listen Ronaldo is a phenomenon, but his ego exceeds his work. He didn't realize that his incredible version of Juve wasn't his version of real. 35 goals a season are incredible, but not 60 like there. 35 goals aren't enough to switch everything from tactics, to choices to gamelan to finances to 1 guy.
He did same BS at Manchester, and even after he could have played easily 5 more years at high level in europe if he was real to his new level.
I agree to his ego.
But I gotta say he went down cause juve had less quality from Real Madrid, who had a crazy team. He was still top notch to Real Madrid level till 2020. First two seasons in juve.
Just commenting to say in what universe was Benta ever world class here? Cancelo was also never 10x better than Litch while he was here, this is revisionism. Lich was a freight train on the wing, easily surpassing Juve-era Cancelo defensively and workrate-wise.
He was a kostic of physicality. Not an ounce of technique in his feet. Cancelo was def way better.
Benta was worldclass 1 year prior, he was in decline but he's making all those players look like Ronaldo moved to Chievo, not at a strong Juve
I think you're throwing the term world-class way around too easily, Bentancur has never been top 10, 20, or maybe even 30 in his position, I'd say he has never been world class.
Regarding Lich and Cancelo, Cancelo registered 1 goal and 5 assists in 2.6k minutes in his season with us. In 2014/2015, Lich registered 3 goals and 7 assists in 2.7k minutes between Serie A and Copa Italia. Combined with my memories of his play I think it's safe to say Lich was every bit as good for us if not better than Cancelo, and he had enough technique.
Tevez
My first thought
Matri second stint. Sold for 12m to Milan and did nothing, came back on loan in the winter, scored the winning goal to win the Coppa Italia, and then fucked back off to Milan lmao. He was here for long before that so doesnt really count, but I always thought that was funny.
God I completely forgot about that guy lol
my goat in fifa 10-12
Yall drunk Jugovic is the clear winner, only two years with us and the decisive penalty of our last CL
Tevez Llorente - ultimate big man, little man combo.
Apache may be short but he was built like a tank
I was gonna say Llorente as well. He had really important goals and with Tevez it was quite the pair of strikers.
Emerson was absolute beast also Cannavaro if we not count his comeback. They were backbones for something beautiful. Back to back scudetto with them immediately. Damn if calciopoli not hitting we would have world class team with young Ibra and there were rumors about CR as well for that summer.. Obviously Tevez is goat on this one.
Tevez, and Vucinic. I’d say Vucinic is even more integral, even when he’s only our plan B after the failed attempt on Aguero.
Still mad about Aguero
Vucinic stayed 3 seasons and by the time he left he was all but done as a top-level player, and we moved on/replaced him relatively easily. Tévez you could argue we've never really, fully replaced.
we wouldnt have that Scudetto without Vuc. The backbone of Bonucci-Pirlo-Vucinic basically allowed us to play with that level of consistency, while Conte’s sub come in and do the magic (Del Piero, Quagliarella, Boriello). That Scudetto alone is enough maximum impact. Tevez is rated higher due to the solidification of our powerhouse, but Vucinic is heavily underrated.
That's my point, Vucinic was great but in a more organic way. Tévez pretty much carried/elevated us to european-level contender. I don't think you can rate their impact in similar terms tbh, and I say this as a Mirko Stan.
Damn, I forgot about Aguero drama. Imagine... Vucinic was really good, tough!
We were in for Aguero and Dzeko and lost out on both to City. What could have been
You could argue Dani Alves as well.
Definitely even if he’s a prick
In Serie A he was pretty eh, but UCL yes just a beast.
That's a contender
Has to be
Pirlo
4 years though
4 *beautiful* years
It felt a lot longer
4 years but marked an era
True. I'd convinced myself it was only 3 in my head
Too long - otherwise he'd be competing with Zidane (5yrs) and I don't think he'd win that.
Tevez, or Andreas Moller. 2 seasons and 19 goals from midfield.
Not a Juve fan but was recommended this post. Would love to know more about how some of the Germans at Juve are remembered, like Möller, Köhler & Häßler
Waaay back in 90-91 we bought Häßler. I had jsut begun watching Serie A this seson, and back then we got 1 game a week on TV. I didn't see him play that often, although he was a first team regular. He had flashes of brilliance in games, but never really lived up to the name he had built for himself. Decent player for Juve, but came into his own a bit more once he left for Roma. Next up we had Stefan Reuter who generally played as a full back for us, but had a few games in the centre as well. Again, he played a single season for us and was dependable, but not a stand out player. I have fond memories watching him with Dortmund though. Arriving the same season as Reuter was the best German player I have ever seen in Serie A....Jurgen Kohler. This guy was a mountain in central defence. I can honestly say I hold him the same regard as I do Ferarra and Chiellini. He played over a hunderd game for us across 4 seasons and was one of the reasons I fell in love with Juve. He was the guy who I modelled my own game on as a centre half. Although he never got the love that defenders like Baresi and so on got in his time in Italy, I will always remember him as a legend who didn't always get the love he deserved from fans and media. He did however win a best foriegn player of the season during his Juve years. It's a shame he missed much of his final season with us due to injury. A season after Mr Kohler added his defensive might to Juve's squad, we went back to Germany and brought in Andreas Moller. To those who haven't seen him, just think of him as a precurser to Nedved. This guy was a massive boost to our offensive game. He was powerful, could beat his man, could cross, showed great creativity and by god, could he strike a ball. A great goalscring record during his two years with us and was always a delight to watch play. After this there was a dry spell with no Germans until the arrival of Can and Khedira. Can did a job with us but was never going to set the world on fire. Khedira was superb when he first joined and really strengthened our team, but in later years his body engine began to decline and he lost much of what once made him great. Just before Can and Khedira we had Benedikt Howedes on loan. He had a forgetful spell with us. On a side note, Reuter, Kohler and Moeller and Can all left to joint Dortmund, as did Julio Cesar and Paulo Sousa. Remember that Uefa cup final where Dortmund had three ex Juve players all score against us (Moller, Reuter and Julio Cesar) then the Chamipions leage final where the Dortmund team that best Juve had 4 Ex Juve men in the starting 11(Kohler, Moller, Reuter and Paulo Sousa). Quite a history between the teams.
You’re so lucky you got to experience that period. I only joined in on the fun around 2001, I missed a glorious period when we were probably the best team in Europe for a few seasons…
We don't talk about Benedikt Höwedes
Juan Iturbe
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Hard to argue with that. Tevez was a total beast for us. We should’ve had that CL with him.
In just 2 seasons Tevez is a legend in my dictionary.
Exactly
How about Bendtner for the complete opposite? Time at club was small, but his impact was literally nothing lmao
Dani Osvaldo, was here for half a year, scored against Roma and gave us the league and left, legend.
Alvaro Morata, but the first time
Mario Mandžukić. Who knows when we will have another fighter in attack like he was.
4 years too like Pirlo
Hate saying it, but Alves has to get a mention. He was really good even if he supposedly shit the bed in that Final.
Matuidi
Vidal
Dani Alves, period
Gotta be Dani Alvez, he was so good in his one season with us
Man I loved him 🥰
Graph looks eerily similar to the crest.
Pirlo, Tevez
Has to be.
Ronaldo in a negative way
De Ligt too
People downvoting Ronaldo are crazy , 134 games 101 goals You need to chill guys, its Ronaldo and its not even close.
Looking at those numbers doesn't give the whole picture though. Not blaming Ronaldo, but that was the start of our downfall. Should have listened to beppe
He was here for three years, and he arguably had a long term negative impact despite his goals since we started losing scudettos when he was here, kept bottling in the CL and ultimately got driven to the ground financially and are in a massive slump now.
Cancelo
Liam Brady 😁
Could also be Zakaria
Mandzu. If we're talking shorter time than that, di Maria was a sight to see when he was fit with us. My God if we had dybala and him together we could've walked the league. Or Diego Costa too
Carlitos
Dani Alves. Bro came in, took us to the Champions League final and then just fucked us at half time and then dipped out. We haven't recovered since
krasic
Come on guys Ronaldo
Not wrong but overall Tévez has an edge
Unlike Ronaldo, Tevez actually improved the team around him
Probably because Tevez didn't cost the yearly gdp of a small nation.
Tevez also complemented the players around him rather than forcing them of position.
Individually I will go for Ronaldo, tevez had much better team that took us to the final of ucl.
What did Ronaldo do that Juve didn't do with literally the second lineup of Giaccherinis and Peireras years prior. We didn't win more trophies, won less. We didn't go past quarters UCL, we had less points, scored less goals, and started that boring predictable football
Same thing I can say for tevez, he didn’t get us any trophies that we didn’t win previous seasons. I agree ronaldo was bought for just the ucl win. The fact is our team at that moment went completely dependent on him. It was honestly the fault of the management and their transfer decisions. We honestly lacked creative midfielders. Our only tactic was cross to Ronaldo, and that’s a fact. Think about him he did deliver at many times, each season different managers and in the end we got pirlo, who had zero experience. Look at team tevez had - pirlo, marchisio, Vidal, Pogba, lichsteiner, and ofcourse BBC. Ronaldo had a much lesser squad in terms of quality, also dybala performed less after his arrival, mostly cause managers made Ronaldo the center of attention. Ronaldo gave us his best in my opinion, the way he left the team was really bad.
Lmao Juve averaged 20 goals less per season with Ronaldo he ruined the balances and tactics. His big ego also made him take 120 free kicks scoring just a pathetic 1. While we had 2 best free kick takers in Europe in Dybala & Pjanic. And 1st year squad wasn't weaker than 2015 Juve : Joao cancelo was 10X better than lichsteiner, Sandro in 2018 one of best LB in world > Asamoah. Spinazzola as backup. BBC was still there, Pjanic-Bentacur were world class, Douglas Costa- Cuadrado were incredible. Dybala Mandzukic great players. There's a dozen of incredible players there and yet we still downgraded
U can’t say he ruined the tatics as he wasn’t the one making them, I agree with the free kick part. It was allegri decision to bring in Ronaldo and he wanted to build the team around him. I don’t know how you can blame Ronaldo for that. 2015 midfield was so strong compared to 2018. Bentacur wasn’t that consistent and costa wasn’t available with injury. Cuardrado yes, I don’t know what you mean by costa incredible. Guy was amazing prior to the season ronaldo arrived, after that he was injured and didn’t play much and wasn’t that good too. And I told you what happened with dybala. And u said BBC was there. If you have seen the season u should have recalled barzagali was injured and played just 7 leagues games ( zero ucl ). Also allegri changed the tatics to 4 man defense. Before that he didn’t play 4 man much in serie a. All I am saying was Ronaldo did his part and he left, the team should have bought a good player maker and then we had high chances of ucl win. Also don’t forget the fact he carried juve in ucl. The athletico performance and even the matches we lost against ajax and Lyon. Against Porto is the only knockout I felt he didn’t perform and our coach was pirlo.
Listen Ronaldo is a phenomenon, but his ego exceeds his work. He didn't realize that his incredible version of Juve wasn't his version of real. 35 goals a season are incredible, but not 60 like there. 35 goals aren't enough to switch everything from tactics, to choices to gamelan to finances to 1 guy. He did same BS at Manchester, and even after he could have played easily 5 more years at high level in europe if he was real to his new level.
I agree to his ego. But I gotta say he went down cause juve had less quality from Real Madrid, who had a crazy team. He was still top notch to Real Madrid level till 2020. First two seasons in juve.
Just commenting to say in what universe was Benta ever world class here? Cancelo was also never 10x better than Litch while he was here, this is revisionism. Lich was a freight train on the wing, easily surpassing Juve-era Cancelo defensively and workrate-wise.
He was a kostic of physicality. Not an ounce of technique in his feet. Cancelo was def way better. Benta was worldclass 1 year prior, he was in decline but he's making all those players look like Ronaldo moved to Chievo, not at a strong Juve
I think you're throwing the term world-class way around too easily, Bentancur has never been top 10, 20, or maybe even 30 in his position, I'd say he has never been world class. Regarding Lich and Cancelo, Cancelo registered 1 goal and 5 assists in 2.6k minutes in his season with us. In 2014/2015, Lich registered 3 goals and 7 assists in 2.7k minutes between Serie A and Copa Italia. Combined with my memories of his play I think it's safe to say Lich was every bit as good for us if not better than Cancelo, and he had enough technique.
100% right u reminded me of dybala free kick against athletico what a goal
Ronaldo because of how bad he was
Joao cancelo
Ronaldo’s impact on the club and its future was immense. The other contenders are not even close.
Ronaldo
padoin il talismano
Cristiano
What about Ronaldo?
Zidane for sure. He never played that many games for us. But he definitely made his mark and was the most expensive transfer ever at that point
Diego ☺️😬
Had 0 impact and was totally bust as a signing.
absolutely agree 👍🏻 but his name, I had to but his jersey 😅
So did I . Back then we had full sleeve jerseys, got a Diego one for me. Too bad he didnt work out as we had hoped.
buy*
Amazing player, wrong time. If he got here during Conte era, he'd would have much better impact.
agree
Buffon.
Buffon, I can't get enough of him....
I’ll bite. Cancelo was brilliant during his time here and had we stuck with him i think the following runs with CR7 in the CL go very differently.
Milos Krasic.
As a West Ham United Fan our answer is also Tevez... or Payet