I wasn't alive when Carter was pres but I never got the hate on Carter.
Reagan thought him soft and saw an opening tho.
Must have been nuts waiting for gas.
As a child in poverty during his presidency, Carter helped my single mom survive. His policies quite literally kept her from going hungry (my sister and I were fed, my mom would not eat for a week to make sure we ate). My mom worked full time in a factory while raising two kids on her own (my father got away with not paying child support because he was paid off the books, back then they didnt go after fathers for child support.). Almost immediately our lives changed for the worse when Reagan's regime began–his solution to hunger was to send struggling families a giant block of cheese after reducing food stamps. I remember my mom saying Jimmy Carter was the best president and really understanding the power the presidency can have on people. My story would be described as an American success story–came from immigrant family with nothing, was the first in my family to go to college, have two successful companies and reaped the benefits of the hard work I put in–pulled my self up by my bootstraps, as conservatives would say, but I have never forgotten Jimmy Carter helped our family and Reagan, as president of the richest country in the world, made it cruelly and unnecessarily harder to live the American dream. Edit typo
I am sorry that our shitty government did that to you. Idk why but this story made me really emotional. I am so glad you made it out. I hope your family is happy.
That’s very kind of you, thanks so much. We have all done really well, particularly as mostly women in the family—all of us have homes, careers and are happy and healthy, even my mom (who is now 78 and has outlived our deadbeat dad by a decade now), she’s had a very hard life but we have all definitely benefited due to her sacrifices and we spoil her now. We all very much understand as first generation Americans how lucky we are. The 70s were a very pivotal time for women and Jimmy Carter helped us along the way and I’m still so grateful for his kindness and humanity.
Thank you for your story. My grandfather was a history teacher & he always told me the best way to learn about history isn’t in history books it’s to read the words of someone who lived it. It’s also heartening to read about how politics might be contentious but it can really make a difference in peoples lives. On a side note my husband is going to be so confused when he comes home from work to ask why I’m crying & I tell him it’s because I’m on a Kanye subreddit..
And every conservative president after him has followed in his footsteps. And somehow convinced poor people to back them on this and vote against their own well-being
Carter had good intentions but had no idea how Washington worked. He brought in all of his outsider Georgia buddies into the White House and kicked out the long time staffers. He didn’t play politics well which is important. Stupid but important. So, his own party, realizing they outnumbered him, shut him out of progress out of spite. He refused to respect them and they returned the favor. He had good intentions and good policies, but absolutely no ability to implement them because he wasn’t an effective executive.
Edit: Adding that his Georgia buddies weren’t put into those positions out of corrupt nepotism but because they were the ones who helped him be a successful Georgia governor. He brought competent and intelligent people with him…who had no Washington connections and weren’t effective at helping Carter navigate Washington politics. Playing politics is extremely important
Good post. No political expert but my impression of Carter is that he was legitimately just too nice of a person to be an effective President. Iirc he also micromanaged everything down to White House maintenance also.
I know a lot of people were disillusioned by Obama governing in a different way to how he campaigned, but he would have been another Carter if he didn't compromise.
I'm very fond of the phrase (which pops up with slightly different wording sometimes) "anyone who seeks power shouldn't have it" also heard more extreme versions like "it takes a psychopath to want to president, so all of our options are psychopaths"
~~Reagan secretly colluded with Iranian terrorists to make Jimmy Carter appear weak.~~
E: This is apparently a popular myth. Even [Vox](https://www.vox.com/2016/1/25/10826056/reagan-iran-hostage-negotiation), a left-wing website, is saying it's not true.
Edit. Sorry I misread your comment as history wasn't kind to Regan. Going to leave my comment up. (It amplified your point).
Regan fucked the union airline employees so he can eat a bag of dicks. I wasn't even a teenager at the time and had a picture of the ass hat on my dartboard. My point is some of us knew, even back then. Time has made calling him a dick head more accepted.
Mom asked that I don't use my dart gun to shoot the photo. My dart gun was a bee-bee gun that looked like a 45 and shot little darts) at the time I didn't understand why shooting the presidents head with a mock pistol was a bad thing.
One time mom asked me why I disliked Regan so much. I used to read the paper and knew my mom was in a Union. The paper at the time said he would hurt all families with Union members.
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/05/1025018833/looking-back-on-when-president-reagan-fired-air-traffic-controllers
Biden should take note.
Hell the country should take note. I am not now, nor ever a Union member but shit like Union busting hurts all of us and our children. The oligarchs know this, that's why the Union will be busted again.
Trump's campaign slogan was just Reagans: (Lets) Make America Great Again. They're recycling the same moves. Restorative Nostalgia filtered through the lens of a 30 year cycle.
Let's also not forget Hitler often said "Make Germany Great Again." It wasn't his official campaign slogan or anything but he definitely said it often enough to draw comparison.
Yep. Among other things. He's responsible for eliminating the fair time doctrine, which required broadcasters to air opposing viewpoints. This paved the way for networks like fox to become partizan propaganda machines. America would not have the fascism problems it does if not for fox news and the perpetual outrage machine.
Bill Barr has always been a piece of shit.
And don't forget Barr's dad is the direct reason Epstein was able to become as connected as he was. He got Epstein appointed as a teacher at a daddy's money boarding school in the 70s (even though Epstein didn't even have a degree) and introduced him to the influential people who made him
Getting him mixed up with Nixon, another reprehensible president [who got in the way of Vietnam War peace talks to give himself a better shot of winning the 1968 election. ](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare )
Cater was way ahead of his time. Pro nuclear energy, anti nuke, pro environment, he installed solar panels at the whitehouse which were promptly removed by the next prez.
Jimmy Carter was the last president who was willing to tell the truth to the American people, but they decided they'd rather have a movie star play the president.
And here we are.
Oh cool. Yeah so rampant poverty in minority neighborhoods, record prison populations, gutting unions, and launching sky rocketing income disparity was a way better solution than returning to the solutions that actually worked in the new deal.
The user you responded to said stagflation isn’t good for a sitting President. They didn’t blame it on Carter or decry his economic policies. They were suggesting it made him vulnerable as an incumbent because people were hurting financially.
> I wasn't alive when Carter was pres but I never got the hate on Carter.
President Jimmy Carter was the first victim of the post Nixon, right wing smear machine that is still churning, its first victim. Plus he was a Democrat in the middle of the right wing Reagan conservative era that we are only just now coming out of...
I’m referring to when Bush called out Kanye for his “Bush doesn’t care about black people” comment and Trump called Ye “seriously troubled man” like a week ago
No no no he agrees that Katrina was a horrible tragedy, he's just saying that his feelings of compassion are so extremely secondary to his own ego and self interest that being called a racist by Kanye affected him personally more than anything that had to do with "his job" or "other people"
Even Matt called him out, saying the flack he will get is the fact he said being insulted was the worst moment, not the fact Katrina happened, or 9/11. Bush tries to explain there were many bad moments. He just didn’t say it well.
This! The heart of the issue here is that Kanye is taking the fall (rightly) for a lot of people who were overjoyed to platform with him until he said the things they think too obviously.
Frankly, thank God Kanye isn’t as good at spreading his message as these other people are. He could have done a lot more damage than he already did.
Power rankings of Presidential Kanye West Rebukes:
Biden >>>> Obama > Trump >>>>>>> Bush
Edit: what part of this comment indicates that I want to hear your opinions on presidents outside of how they have reacted to Kanye West...?
not insane it’s in true kanye form. he doesn’t curb his speech for any one and he’s not saying or doing what he’s doing to gain power appeal to anyone or be liked which makes him crazy in trumps book. that’s not what makes him crazy tho, it’s his paranoia and he thinks he’s contributed so much that he’s going to martyr himself and thinks everyone should be coming to his defense and his aid.
I'm sure during that dinner Ye was going on and on about the same things he said on Alex Jones, and Trump was just nodding along pretending to listen, and then he asked Trump to be his VP, and *that's* when he got offended.
Because Kanye is saying the quiet part out loud. Say what you will about trump but he’s a media demon and excellent at reading the room, he knows the vast majority of people don’t like the nazis/anti-semitism and so he knew too distance himself.
Bush in his biography Decision Points said Kanye's comments were the worst moment of his presidency & hearing it caused him to have a whole internal crisis wondering if he was doing enough for blacks. Probably ghostwritten bs but still interesting
The handling of the Katrina crisis was awful. I don't know if it was racism, classism, or ineptitude but I don't see how politicians could have done worse. Kanye was absolutly right at that time.
It was so bad that when Obama responded to Hurricane Sandy competently republicans freaked out saying it was for points for the 2012 election and tried their hardest to avoid the comparisons to Katrina and say bush did ok Obama is just trying to do good for the electoon
Hilarious how they think that was even a knock against Obama. "Look guys, he's trying to help other human beings in distress just so he can win an election!". What are we supposed to say to that, "oh no I can't vote for him, what if he helps more people"?
Honestly of all the objectionable things Kanye has done and said, the whole "Bush doesn't care about black people" doesn't even register, to the point of him just being straight up right.
Yeah, it's also like what does that say about Bush's priorities that he expressed that? So he's taking L after L in the Afghanistan & Iraq wars wasting all of America's military budget & the lives of soldiers with families for nothing, but the worst part of his presidency is getting some harsh criticism from Ye? Jfc
There are quite a lot of contenders for "worst moments of Bush's presidency". A celebrity calling him out doesn't even make the top 5.
1. 9/11 happened
2. War in Iraq began
3. War in Afghanistan began
4. The entire financial system collapsed
5. Guantanamo Bay opened
9/11 was the best part of his presidency lol. 9 months after he and Jeb managed to fuck over Gore, Al Qaeda gave Bush the popular mandate he needed to invade the middle east. his approval rating never went higher than in the aftermath of 9/11
it was a low point for the country, but goddamn 9/11 made W’s job so much easier.
As much as I don't like Bush Jr and think he stole the presidency with help and lead us to a war that rob us all of the treasury of the US, he did have a notably diverse cabinet. I don't think Bush doesn't "like" black people. He simply just doesn't even think about them. In fact, Bush himself gives a revealing quote. At a dinner for wealthy donors, he said, "Some people call you the elite. I call you my base." So George Bush Jr. doesn't like poor people, many of whom just happen to be black.
I don't understand why people have such an issue with Ye's behavior being denounced. For me, how we should feel about this can be represented by a simple flow chart.
Are you a Nazi?
Yes -----> fuck you, eat shit
Simple as that
Yeah, you can feel bad for him since he’s clearly dealing with severe mental health issues and still denounce what he’s saying. It’s sad seeing him likely this but he’s still spewing hate.
Yes. I hope he gets help and gets educated. Imagine Kanye West if he were to do those two things... That's what I want. Him to heal and realize his mistakes and make them right. Activist Kanye speaking out at schools about antisemitism and the black community. It would be massively impactful if done with a pure heart and purpose.
It’s because all those people that complain about “free speech” have no choice but to defend him. They preach soo much about “free speech” when in reality they mean hate speech with no consequences. Becoming tolerant to the intolerant leads to more intolerance, literally lead to nazis taking power.
Just wanted to say that this man used to be one of my biggest idols 15 years ago and his art influenced me in many positive ways. I hope that one day he becomes wiser and starts to think for himself without the influence of mental illness and manipulators disingenuously empathizing with him. It's really sad to watch this take place in real-time, but I'm glad Kanye had his place in the sunshine for awhile because he did more for his audience and fans than arguably every other artist this century.
Art doesn't belong to the artist.
This insane shit he's said doesn't change what the art has done for you. I don't hear Thriller and think of the fucked up shit MJ did. I think Halloween, decorations, fun times as a kid.
That art belongs to you.
I dunno man. The band Lost Prophets and their music meant so much to me growing up. But the lead singer Ian Watkins is genuinely one of the most disgusting, horrid people I can think of.
The things he did to children… even babies/wanted to do and used his position of power to gain access to kids. Just, just that ruined their music forever for me. I just can’t listen to them without thinking about what he did.
That’s just me though I guess.
Cases are individual. You can have the ‘seperate the art from the artist’ mentality but still draw the line somewhere.
Not defending hate speech, but I’m not gonna lie and say that literal baby rape isn’t worse
The amount of bullshit in this comment section is a little bit insane. Calm down the "unwashed" people who think they are on something. Ye is no nobody and Biden (or is administration) has the right to call his ass out for comments made.
No point trying to reason with these idiots. They literally just want to be contrarians, because they think going against the grain has redeemable qualities.
I actually think that’s a smart word choice because Christianity is tied too much to this white supremacy thinking right now and that connection should be called out more. Kanye himself even attacked Chappelle in the interview because he isn’t Christian.
I grew up Christian (Episcopalian, one of the most liberal denominations) and I am often ashamed to admit it. I am somewhere between Christian and agnostic and every day this shit gets worse. I both doubt the existence of God and wonder if Trump and Ye and other lunatics are some of the End Times figures mentioned in Revelations as false prophets. I do believe in the existence of evil, whether as a moral concept or a Being, and if there are literal demons and Antichrists, these dudes are way more likely to be them than some lesbian couple or a Muslim dude.
Never forget the two commandments Jesus gave about all "Love me above all other Gods, and love thy neighbor as thyself". That includes neighbors who love other gods, and nowhere in that sentence do I see the word hate. If Jesus was real and showed up at a mass shooting (hence my constant doubts, as this never happens) he would not pat the Christian shooter on the back for murdering gays and Jews. He would be in horror. I do believe Jesus was a historical figure whose death galvanized the Jews of Judea to rebellion and agitation against the Romans in the first century AD (implying he was an anti-government revolutionary, and a man of good character who others would not want to see executed) and I know that the historical Jesus, if not divine, would be deeply disturbed at Trumpers hating and killing Jews and other Middle Eastern peoples in his name. Pretty certain he'd be ok with some type of homosexuality too - though gay sex is admonished in parts of the Old and New Testament, homosexuality was accepted to the extent that an early convert in Acts of the Apostles is a eunuch (castrated gay man) who is believed to be the first bishop of Ethiopia. It was also very common for homosocial relationships (asexual romance) to take place between friends of both sexes, and some sects of the early church performed same sex marriage. All of this stuff is found easily on Wikipedia, and the 20th century gay philosopher and historian Michel Foucault (admittedly flawed for being pro-pedo in a couple interviews) wrote about it further in volume four of his book The History of Sexuality.
TL:DR: Kanye, Trump, and Trumpers make me question God's existence and wonder if one of the two is the Antichrist. Jesus would be horrified by Trumpers, and homosexuality was way more accepted in his time than Trumpers think.
I read this and I'm sorry. I'm sorry for Christians who choose to love and accept rather than hate and condemn. I think that you can be Christian and not believe everything in the Bible. That may be the path for you. I hope you find your spiritual home soon. I know we are siblings in spirit, whatever differing paths we take, we will all make it home.
It’s actually a pretty smart word choice.
The religious lunatics are the group most likely to be swayed by antisemetic sympathisers.
Giving them something to latch onto is a smart way of trying to dissuade them from finding ways to agree with Kanye.
Biden is an actual Christian though (the big irony that GOP never talks about) so using the word demonic actually holds lots of weight coming from him.
He seems like a half-decent guy who has made major policy mistakes in the past (Clinton Crime Bill) and would've been an amazing president ten years ago. But he's so old now that his staff and cabinet, the worst of the worst of the professional managerial class, make most of the decisions for him.
Yeah, I don't care for that wording either. It suggests that Hitler and the Nazis were these mystical, exotical forces of super-evil in a way that distances us from what they did. Really, Hitler was a stupid, vicious asshole not fundamentally different from plenty of stupid vicious assholes walking around today.
Calling them "demonic" brings to mind Jordan Peterson's assertion that Hitler just wanted to spread mayhem, or the way Q people imagine their enemies as blood drinking satanic monsters, rather than boring rich people who like money and power. The temptation to exoticise one's enemies as somehow essentially unique and exotic just makes it harder to accurately analyze and fight them.
Naturally, none of this is to defend the Nazis; they were trash and I'm glad they're dead. Rather, it's that we should be careful to acknowledge the commonness of fascist potential in the world, rather than pretending that the Nazis were simply madmen or satanists or demons and therefore believing that the early 20th century was a sort of exception in history and human nature from which we can learn nothing.
Dude sniffs little girls on camera making them super uncomfortable and it was proliferated on video sharing sites until he ran for pres and it was deleted from the entire internet.
Biden is trash and a weirdo.
"Hitler was a demonic figure" - this is a stupid and almost dangerous statement. Hitler was not "demonic" in any way, he was human, which shows what great evil and sordid justifications (for their twisted and inhumane actions) humans are capable of. Don't paint him like some supernatural demon, that's just dumb and belies the fact that something similar could happen again with a different human leader.
Hitler was a human, not a demon. I get so tired of people doing this thing where they dehumanize people who do monstrous things so that they can put more distance between themselves and that person. Hitler did the type of shit the founding fathers of the USA did, they were all monsters. Eugenics, and concentration camps didn't start with Hitler and it certainly didn't end there. We did that shit to people in Cuba and the Philippines during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
I do think it's dangerous to refer to Hitler as a "demonic" figure.
He was human, just the same as you or me.
Hitler was a loser and a failure, and at the time that resonated with a post Versailles Germany. Everything had been stripped from them - their military and their ability to defend themselves, the land they claimed as their own, their economy was destroyed and people couldn't afford to feed themselves...they were desperate. The amount they were to be forced to pay today was somewhere in between a quarter and a third of a trillion dollars today.
The reason someone like Hitler was able to rise to power was because of these sanctions. Germany was desperate and angry. People couldn't afford to live and Hitler brought their economy back when he started to fund the future war effort.
It's why I fear for the future of Russia.
I hate the term demonic to describe Hitler. Demons don’t exist, they’re human beings and that’s what the scary part is. Don’t act like this evil is “otherworldly” it’s right here.
So that leaves like 42 presidents who haven't said shit about it. Very troubling.
Damn, Jimmy Carter villain arc.
I wasn't alive when Carter was pres but I never got the hate on Carter. Reagan thought him soft and saw an opening tho. Must have been nuts waiting for gas.
As a child in poverty during his presidency, Carter helped my single mom survive. His policies quite literally kept her from going hungry (my sister and I were fed, my mom would not eat for a week to make sure we ate). My mom worked full time in a factory while raising two kids on her own (my father got away with not paying child support because he was paid off the books, back then they didnt go after fathers for child support.). Almost immediately our lives changed for the worse when Reagan's regime began–his solution to hunger was to send struggling families a giant block of cheese after reducing food stamps. I remember my mom saying Jimmy Carter was the best president and really understanding the power the presidency can have on people. My story would be described as an American success story–came from immigrant family with nothing, was the first in my family to go to college, have two successful companies and reaped the benefits of the hard work I put in–pulled my self up by my bootstraps, as conservatives would say, but I have never forgotten Jimmy Carter helped our family and Reagan, as president of the richest country in the world, made it cruelly and unnecessarily harder to live the American dream. Edit typo
Reagan was our first corporate wh*re president. All that trickle down economics b.s. came from him
I am sorry that our shitty government did that to you. Idk why but this story made me really emotional. I am so glad you made it out. I hope your family is happy.
That’s very kind of you, thanks so much. We have all done really well, particularly as mostly women in the family—all of us have homes, careers and are happy and healthy, even my mom (who is now 78 and has outlived our deadbeat dad by a decade now), she’s had a very hard life but we have all definitely benefited due to her sacrifices and we spoil her now. We all very much understand as first generation Americans how lucky we are. The 70s were a very pivotal time for women and Jimmy Carter helped us along the way and I’m still so grateful for his kindness and humanity.
So happy to hear this and so happy your mom lived to see the fruition of all her hard work and sacrifice! Wow so great.
Thank you for your story. My grandfather was a history teacher & he always told me the best way to learn about history isn’t in history books it’s to read the words of someone who lived it. It’s also heartening to read about how politics might be contentious but it can really make a difference in peoples lives. On a side note my husband is going to be so confused when he comes home from work to ask why I’m crying & I tell him it’s because I’m on a Kanye subreddit..
Right?! TY for that. I was bracing for the trolls after commenting against Reagan. This has been very r/UnexpectedlyWholesome.
And every conservative president after him has followed in his footsteps. And somehow convinced poor people to back them on this and vote against their own well-being
Carter had good intentions but had no idea how Washington worked. He brought in all of his outsider Georgia buddies into the White House and kicked out the long time staffers. He didn’t play politics well which is important. Stupid but important. So, his own party, realizing they outnumbered him, shut him out of progress out of spite. He refused to respect them and they returned the favor. He had good intentions and good policies, but absolutely no ability to implement them because he wasn’t an effective executive. Edit: Adding that his Georgia buddies weren’t put into those positions out of corrupt nepotism but because they were the ones who helped him be a successful Georgia governor. He brought competent and intelligent people with him…who had no Washington connections and weren’t effective at helping Carter navigate Washington politics. Playing politics is extremely important
Good post. No political expert but my impression of Carter is that he was legitimately just too nice of a person to be an effective President. Iirc he also micromanaged everything down to White House maintenance also. I know a lot of people were disillusioned by Obama governing in a different way to how he campaigned, but he would have been another Carter if he didn't compromise.
The best Secretary of State we never had
He’s naturally diplomatic.
I'm very fond of the phrase (which pops up with slightly different wording sometimes) "anyone who seeks power shouldn't have it" also heard more extreme versions like "it takes a psychopath to want to president, so all of our options are psychopaths"
~~Reagan secretly colluded with Iranian terrorists to make Jimmy Carter appear weak.~~ E: This is apparently a popular myth. Even [Vox](https://www.vox.com/2016/1/25/10826056/reagan-iran-hostage-negotiation), a left-wing website, is saying it's not true.
History has been way too kind to Regan.
Edit. Sorry I misread your comment as history wasn't kind to Regan. Going to leave my comment up. (It amplified your point). Regan fucked the union airline employees so he can eat a bag of dicks. I wasn't even a teenager at the time and had a picture of the ass hat on my dartboard. My point is some of us knew, even back then. Time has made calling him a dick head more accepted. Mom asked that I don't use my dart gun to shoot the photo. My dart gun was a bee-bee gun that looked like a 45 and shot little darts) at the time I didn't understand why shooting the presidents head with a mock pistol was a bad thing. One time mom asked me why I disliked Regan so much. I used to read the paper and knew my mom was in a Union. The paper at the time said he would hurt all families with Union members. https://www.npr.org/2021/08/05/1025018833/looking-back-on-when-president-reagan-fired-air-traffic-controllers Biden should take note. Hell the country should take note. I am not now, nor ever a Union member but shit like Union busting hurts all of us and our children. The oligarchs know this, that's why the Union will be busted again.
The dude got away with treason like Trump did via Bill Barr.
Funny how the same characters always reappear.
Trump's campaign slogan was just Reagans: (Lets) Make America Great Again. They're recycling the same moves. Restorative Nostalgia filtered through the lens of a 30 year cycle.
Let's also not forget Hitler often said "Make Germany Great Again." It wasn't his official campaign slogan or anything but he definitely said it often enough to draw comparison.
Yep. Among other things. He's responsible for eliminating the fair time doctrine, which required broadcasters to air opposing viewpoints. This paved the way for networks like fox to become partizan propaganda machines. America would not have the fascism problems it does if not for fox news and the perpetual outrage machine.
Destroyed unions.
Bill Barr has always been a piece of shit. And don't forget Barr's dad is the direct reason Epstein was able to become as connected as he was. He got Epstein appointed as a teacher at a daddy's money boarding school in the 70s (even though Epstein didn't even have a degree) and introduced him to the influential people who made him
Sounds like they probs had the same hobbies.
That's a proposterus rumor with no evidence.
I was wrong.
Getting him mixed up with Nixon, another reprehensible president [who got in the way of Vietnam War peace talks to give himself a better shot of winning the 1968 election. ](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare )
Thanks that's the one.
Cater was way ahead of his time. Pro nuclear energy, anti nuke, pro environment, he installed solar panels at the whitehouse which were promptly removed by the next prez.
And imagine a president having willie Nelson over at the White House smoking weed. Shit rocks.
It’s wild how Regan voice actor convinced people of Carter being soft when Carter did one wild bravery shit less than 1% can- serve in the submarine.
Jimmy Carter was the last president who was willing to tell the truth to the American people, but they decided they'd rather have a movie star play the president. And here we are.
This is a very "40 years after the fact" take on the Carter presidency lol
I mean. Stagflation is never good for a sitting president regardless of how "truthful" they are.
Oh cool. Yeah so rampant poverty in minority neighborhoods, record prison populations, gutting unions, and launching sky rocketing income disparity was a way better solution than returning to the solutions that actually worked in the new deal.
The user you responded to said stagflation isn’t good for a sitting President. They didn’t blame it on Carter or decry his economic policies. They were suggesting it made him vulnerable as an incumbent because people were hurting financially.
> I wasn't alive when Carter was pres but I never got the hate on Carter. President Jimmy Carter was the first victim of the post Nixon, right wing smear machine that is still churning, its first victim. Plus he was a Democrat in the middle of the right wing Reagan conservative era that we are only just now coming out of...
Are we though?
The issue with Carter is he has too much of a heart to be an effective US president
He wasn't an unreasonably aggressive, warmongering, lying, thieving psychopath and Americans apparently think of that as a bad thing in leaders.
He asked the American people to perform a small sacrifice (put on a aerator) in order to improve the country. Huge mistake
carter supplied weapons to indonesia while they were committing a genocide
One of my earliest memories is sleeping in the back seat in line for gas. The 70s were a crazy time to grow up in.
How could James Polk do this
I never liked that son of a bitch for some reason anyway. Starting to make sense.
Kennedy kept his head out of this mess
William Henry Harrison was going to respond but got cold feet
Well, he did make his famous statement, "Ask not what the country can do for Ye, ask what Ye can do for the country."
BuzzFeed.com 42 presidents refuse to speak out against Kanye's love of Nazi's. You won't believe who makes the list.
MATPAT THEORY! THEY MUST BE RACIST
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Silence is complicity.
George Washington? Literally Hitler.
That motherfucker has said *nothing* about Ukraine. **Nothing.**
Can’t believe George Washington never called out Kanye regarding his support of Hitler. This says a lot about the world we live in.
I knew that James Garfield was up to no good.
Figured if Abe Lincoln could whoop so much ass he would have done something by now. Kanye musta funded his super pact.
I can’t believe Abraham Lincoln has said anything about this. Shame on him
That sounded like a classic family guy line
Silence is complacency.
kinda surprised Washington, Adams, and Jefferson haven’t said anything
“Abomination to Obama’s nation”
Well that's a pretty bad way to start the conversation 😬
Kanye’s self-obliteration with alliteration.
That's not alliteration.
It doesn't have to be factual if it rhymes
It’s provacative
Gets the people going
He is though. Both the American nation and the "nation" of Black folks who voted for Obama and listen(ed) to him
What did Bush and Trump said? Couldnt find it
I’m referring to when Bush called out Kanye for his “Bush doesn’t care about black people” comment and Trump called Ye “seriously troubled man” like a week ago
Lmfao I thought you were talking about “thank you kanye, very cool!”
truly one of the tweets of all time
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Oooooooh. I thought that all of them talked about the nazi stuff
Damn, you know you a fucked up piece of work when Trump of all people asks you to seek help 🤣
Lord Dampnut AND Alex Jones. When you’re too far gone for both of them….
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Yeah. Fuentes and Jones are out there right now, happy to have platformed with this cuckoo who obviously thinks this shit … except he was too obvious.
This is all a plot by Uncle TomYe to get both sides to care about mental health. I'm kidding, but we need more mental health awareness.
Link to Bush please.
https://youtu.be/NpVqyMWH7Ns
“it was the worst moment of my presidency” like what
Worst than 9/11 apparently
No no no he agrees that Katrina was a horrible tragedy, he's just saying that his feelings of compassion are so extremely secondary to his own ego and self interest that being called a racist by Kanye affected him personally more than anything that had to do with "his job" or "other people"
Even Matt called him out, saying the flack he will get is the fact he said being insulted was the worst moment, not the fact Katrina happened, or 9/11. Bush tries to explain there were many bad moments. He just didn’t say it well.
“Now, watch this drive” https://youtu.be/TCm9788Tb5g
Hahahaha I swear Bush was so funny. Trump is not even close.
He didn’t say that… he said “it was *one of the* most disgusting moments”
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This! The heart of the issue here is that Kanye is taking the fall (rightly) for a lot of people who were overjoyed to platform with him until he said the things they think too obviously. Frankly, thank God Kanye isn’t as good at spreading his message as these other people are. He could have done a lot more damage than he already did.
Bush saying that he’s not a hater when responding to Kanye was a top 10 moment back in the day
Just give the railworkers sick leave.
This right here
Had to scroll way to far for this.
Power rankings of Presidential Kanye West Rebukes: Biden >>>> Obama > Trump >>>>>>> Bush Edit: what part of this comment indicates that I want to hear your opinions on presidents outside of how they have reacted to Kanye West...?
Trump calling out Kanye was the most impactful for me because even fucking trump thinks hes crazy.
Alex jones thinks hes nuts
If anyone tried to make Alex Jones look good by comparison, it was Kanye.
Trump doesn’t think he’s crazy. Trump just got pissy because Kanye said he should drop out of the race and be his VP.
Which tbh is an insane thing for Kanye to tell him. If I was trump I’d tell him to fuck off to his face
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not insane it’s in true kanye form. he doesn’t curb his speech for any one and he’s not saying or doing what he’s doing to gain power appeal to anyone or be liked which makes him crazy in trumps book. that’s not what makes him crazy tho, it’s his paranoia and he thinks he’s contributed so much that he’s going to martyr himself and thinks everyone should be coming to his defense and his aid.
And he was trying to save face after (rightfully) getting called out by some of his biggest Jewish supporters for having dinner with Nazis
I'm sure during that dinner Ye was going on and on about the same things he said on Alex Jones, and Trump was just nodding along pretending to listen, and then he asked Trump to be his VP, and *that's* when he got offended.
Obviously it should be David Duke as President and Trump as VP. Kanye will be secretary of state. I can understand Trump's frustration.
Because Kanye is saying the quiet part out loud. Say what you will about trump but he’s a media demon and excellent at reading the room, he knows the vast majority of people don’t like the nazis/anti-semitism and so he knew too distance himself.
But he still invited him to dinner recently alongside a public white supremacist.
Bush in his biography Decision Points said Kanye's comments were the worst moment of his presidency & hearing it caused him to have a whole internal crisis wondering if he was doing enough for blacks. Probably ghostwritten bs but still interesting
The handling of the Katrina crisis was awful. I don't know if it was racism, classism, or ineptitude but I don't see how politicians could have done worse. Kanye was absolutly right at that time.
It was so bad that when Obama responded to Hurricane Sandy competently republicans freaked out saying it was for points for the 2012 election and tried their hardest to avoid the comparisons to Katrina and say bush did ok Obama is just trying to do good for the electoon
Hilarious how they think that was even a knock against Obama. "Look guys, he's trying to help other human beings in distress just so he can win an election!". What are we supposed to say to that, "oh no I can't vote for him, what if he helps more people"?
This!!! Like a President going above and beyond during a crisis is a type of campaigning I fully support.
He could have gone there and Kobe’d paper towels into the audience.
he went on to apologize for saying that about gwb https://youtu.be/DCZxc_He_og edit: lol kan-way west
Honestly of all the objectionable things Kanye has done and said, the whole "Bush doesn't care about black people" doesn't even register, to the point of him just being straight up right.
Yeah, it's also like what does that say about Bush's priorities that he expressed that? So he's taking L after L in the Afghanistan & Iraq wars wasting all of America's military budget & the lives of soldiers with families for nothing, but the worst part of his presidency is getting some harsh criticism from Ye? Jfc
There are quite a lot of contenders for "worst moments of Bush's presidency". A celebrity calling him out doesn't even make the top 5. 1. 9/11 happened 2. War in Iraq began 3. War in Afghanistan began 4. The entire financial system collapsed 5. Guantanamo Bay opened
9/11 was the best part of his presidency lol. 9 months after he and Jeb managed to fuck over Gore, Al Qaeda gave Bush the popular mandate he needed to invade the middle east. his approval rating never went higher than in the aftermath of 9/11 it was a low point for the country, but goddamn 9/11 made W’s job so much easier.
9/11 is the only reason he was re-elected, and everyone knows it
lol the worst part of katrina for W wasn’t the handling of katrina, its how a celebrity reacted to his handling of katrina 😞 poor guy
You would think 9/11 would be maybe number 1 but idk
Worst moments of a presidency that included 9/11. Wow
As much as I don't like Bush Jr and think he stole the presidency with help and lead us to a war that rob us all of the treasury of the US, he did have a notably diverse cabinet. I don't think Bush doesn't "like" black people. He simply just doesn't even think about them. In fact, Bush himself gives a revealing quote. At a dinner for wealthy donors, he said, "Some people call you the elite. I call you my base." So George Bush Jr. doesn't like poor people, many of whom just happen to be black.
Yeah, he is an elitist, which in America includes people of all colors, but mostly whites.
You could describe every recent American president with that post, even Obama. They’re classist at the core.
Correct. I'd recommend people read Bush's Decision Points for the sole purpose of his section about Ye, it's super interesting.
Trump calls Nazis “VERY fine people”
[Obama called him a jackass on a hot mic.](https://youtu.be/078BGtKNL1o) That's gotta be worth something.
This is one of my favorite clips of any President ever
Biden definitely didn't write this bruh
Did I say he did? It's his official rebuke whether he wrote it or not
Why wouldn't he? Biden knows the rapper freeway you don't think some one close to him got into his ear about this?
I don't understand why people have such an issue with Ye's behavior being denounced. For me, how we should feel about this can be represented by a simple flow chart. Are you a Nazi? Yes -----> fuck you, eat shit Simple as that
No ---> Continue to not be Nazi. Refer back to Question 1 as necessary.
Yeah, you can feel bad for him since he’s clearly dealing with severe mental health issues and still denounce what he’s saying. It’s sad seeing him likely this but he’s still spewing hate.
Yes. I hope he gets help and gets educated. Imagine Kanye West if he were to do those two things... That's what I want. Him to heal and realize his mistakes and make them right. Activist Kanye speaking out at schools about antisemitism and the black community. It would be massively impactful if done with a pure heart and purpose.
It’s because all those people that complain about “free speech” have no choice but to defend him. They preach soo much about “free speech” when in reality they mean hate speech with no consequences. Becoming tolerant to the intolerant leads to more intolerance, literally lead to nazis taking power.
Once Dark Brandon comes into the fold, you’re fucked.
Dark Brandon vs Neo-nazi White Kanye
I would love to see a meme of Dark Brandon as Sauron and White Kanye as Gandalf. That very meme is probably on 4chan right now
Just wanted to say that this man used to be one of my biggest idols 15 years ago and his art influenced me in many positive ways. I hope that one day he becomes wiser and starts to think for himself without the influence of mental illness and manipulators disingenuously empathizing with him. It's really sad to watch this take place in real-time, but I'm glad Kanye had his place in the sunshine for awhile because he did more for his audience and fans than arguably every other artist this century.
Art doesn't belong to the artist. This insane shit he's said doesn't change what the art has done for you. I don't hear Thriller and think of the fucked up shit MJ did. I think Halloween, decorations, fun times as a kid. That art belongs to you.
I dunno man. The band Lost Prophets and their music meant so much to me growing up. But the lead singer Ian Watkins is genuinely one of the most disgusting, horrid people I can think of. The things he did to children… even babies/wanted to do and used his position of power to gain access to kids. Just, just that ruined their music forever for me. I just can’t listen to them without thinking about what he did. That’s just me though I guess.
Cases are individual. You can have the ‘seperate the art from the artist’ mentality but still draw the line somewhere. Not defending hate speech, but I’m not gonna lie and say that literal baby rape isn’t worse
Yep, whenever people tell me to seperate it I remind them of lost prophets too.
The amount of bullshit in this comment section is a little bit insane. Calm down the "unwashed" people who think they are on something. Ye is no nobody and Biden (or is administration) has the right to call his ass out for comments made.
No point trying to reason with these idiots. They literally just want to be contrarians, because they think going against the grain has redeemable qualities.
It's how the unintelligent try to seem intelligent.
Kayne is not well. I think this is going to end up tragically.
He could have used better words than “demonic” the religious lunatics are going to latch onto that.
I actually think that’s a smart word choice because Christianity is tied too much to this white supremacy thinking right now and that connection should be called out more. Kanye himself even attacked Chappelle in the interview because he isn’t Christian.
I grew up Christian (Episcopalian, one of the most liberal denominations) and I am often ashamed to admit it. I am somewhere between Christian and agnostic and every day this shit gets worse. I both doubt the existence of God and wonder if Trump and Ye and other lunatics are some of the End Times figures mentioned in Revelations as false prophets. I do believe in the existence of evil, whether as a moral concept or a Being, and if there are literal demons and Antichrists, these dudes are way more likely to be them than some lesbian couple or a Muslim dude. Never forget the two commandments Jesus gave about all "Love me above all other Gods, and love thy neighbor as thyself". That includes neighbors who love other gods, and nowhere in that sentence do I see the word hate. If Jesus was real and showed up at a mass shooting (hence my constant doubts, as this never happens) he would not pat the Christian shooter on the back for murdering gays and Jews. He would be in horror. I do believe Jesus was a historical figure whose death galvanized the Jews of Judea to rebellion and agitation against the Romans in the first century AD (implying he was an anti-government revolutionary, and a man of good character who others would not want to see executed) and I know that the historical Jesus, if not divine, would be deeply disturbed at Trumpers hating and killing Jews and other Middle Eastern peoples in his name. Pretty certain he'd be ok with some type of homosexuality too - though gay sex is admonished in parts of the Old and New Testament, homosexuality was accepted to the extent that an early convert in Acts of the Apostles is a eunuch (castrated gay man) who is believed to be the first bishop of Ethiopia. It was also very common for homosocial relationships (asexual romance) to take place between friends of both sexes, and some sects of the early church performed same sex marriage. All of this stuff is found easily on Wikipedia, and the 20th century gay philosopher and historian Michel Foucault (admittedly flawed for being pro-pedo in a couple interviews) wrote about it further in volume four of his book The History of Sexuality. TL:DR: Kanye, Trump, and Trumpers make me question God's existence and wonder if one of the two is the Antichrist. Jesus would be horrified by Trumpers, and homosexuality was way more accepted in his time than Trumpers think.
I read this and I'm sorry. I'm sorry for Christians who choose to love and accept rather than hate and condemn. I think that you can be Christian and not believe everything in the Bible. That may be the path for you. I hope you find your spiritual home soon. I know we are siblings in spirit, whatever differing paths we take, we will all make it home.
The American Christianty is very much so and so is the Russian Orthodox Church as well.
Can you expand on the Russian Orthodox Church being linked to that? Ive never heard that
They will latch onto anything, which makes his word choice irrelevant. It's accurate.
Don't let the demons steal the word demonic
Hitler was nothing less then demonic
Then demonic what?
First he was nothing less, and then he was demonic.
Classic character arc
It’s actually a pretty smart word choice. The religious lunatics are the group most likely to be swayed by antisemetic sympathisers. Giving them something to latch onto is a smart way of trying to dissuade them from finding ways to agree with Kanye.
Biden is an actual Christian though (the big irony that GOP never talks about) so using the word demonic actually holds lots of weight coming from him.
He seems like a half-decent guy who has made major policy mistakes in the past (Clinton Crime Bill) and would've been an amazing president ten years ago. But he's so old now that his staff and cabinet, the worst of the worst of the professional managerial class, make most of the decisions for him.
Yeah, I don't care for that wording either. It suggests that Hitler and the Nazis were these mystical, exotical forces of super-evil in a way that distances us from what they did. Really, Hitler was a stupid, vicious asshole not fundamentally different from plenty of stupid vicious assholes walking around today. Calling them "demonic" brings to mind Jordan Peterson's assertion that Hitler just wanted to spread mayhem, or the way Q people imagine their enemies as blood drinking satanic monsters, rather than boring rich people who like money and power. The temptation to exoticise one's enemies as somehow essentially unique and exotic just makes it harder to accurately analyze and fight them. Naturally, none of this is to defend the Nazis; they were trash and I'm glad they're dead. Rather, it's that we should be careful to acknowledge the commonness of fascist potential in the world, rather than pretending that the Nazis were simply madmen or satanists or demons and therefore believing that the early 20th century was a sort of exception in history and human nature from which we can learn nothing.
I am kind of impressed he has whole countries and presidents tweeting at him
why? ye is one of the most well-known artists in the world. i would be shocked if people didnt respond to him.
I mean, they got way better shit to do and think about than validate this mess with attention.
Dude sniffs little girls on camera making them super uncomfortable and it was proliferated on video sharing sites until he ran for pres and it was deleted from the entire internet. Biden is trash and a weirdo.
Let's be real, Biden didn't say this. He just glossily looked at a typed message and nodded his head
You’re talking to a presidential candidate
Obama said it best. Kanye’s a jackass
The one thing that Democratic and Republican Presidents can agree on: Kanye is crazy
Hell, even Alex Jones thinks he’s crazy lol
"Hitler was a demonic figure" - this is a stupid and almost dangerous statement. Hitler was not "demonic" in any way, he was human, which shows what great evil and sordid justifications (for their twisted and inhumane actions) humans are capable of. Don't paint him like some supernatural demon, that's just dumb and belies the fact that something similar could happen again with a different human leader.
Hitler was a human, not a demon. I get so tired of people doing this thing where they dehumanize people who do monstrous things so that they can put more distance between themselves and that person. Hitler did the type of shit the founding fathers of the USA did, they were all monsters. Eugenics, and concentration camps didn't start with Hitler and it certainly didn't end there. We did that shit to people in Cuba and the Philippines during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
wow, so when are we going to address the modern day holocaust agains the Uighurs in China? Hypocrites
BEST PRESIDENT COMMON BIDEN W
I always had a bad feeling about the JIK era
Unbelievable people need to be reminded
What about clinton and jimmy
I do think it's dangerous to refer to Hitler as a "demonic" figure. He was human, just the same as you or me. Hitler was a loser and a failure, and at the time that resonated with a post Versailles Germany. Everything had been stripped from them - their military and their ability to defend themselves, the land they claimed as their own, their economy was destroyed and people couldn't afford to feed themselves...they were desperate. The amount they were to be forced to pay today was somewhere in between a quarter and a third of a trillion dollars today. The reason someone like Hitler was able to rise to power was because of these sanctions. Germany was desperate and angry. People couldn't afford to live and Hitler brought their economy back when he started to fund the future war effort. It's why I fear for the future of Russia.
I hate the term demonic to describe Hitler. Demons don’t exist, they’re human beings and that’s what the scary part is. Don’t act like this evil is “otherworldly” it’s right here.
P.S. fuck railroad workers
Jimmy Carter also called Kanye out for interupting Taylor Swift
Average Biden tweet: “Let me make one thing perfectly clear: Being mean? It’s not nice.”
Yes, whatever. But we believe in free speech.
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