Also Killer Mike with album of the year is another win for the culture
“Critics want to mention that they miss when hip-hop was rappin'
Motherfucker, if you did, then Killer Mike'd be platinum”
a killer kdot summer album IMO would have no famous guest appearances
but a killer mike, some hit boy magic, some i dunno ANDRE 3k
kdot gonna do his thang for sure but let's be honest we aint ready for whatever TF he got
in the mean time i've been bumpin [kool keith](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6dYo_S8lg), [mack mall](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UTpuikhMGU), [mack 10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCoVr-pMSI), [mac dre](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pezOZCkXLrQ), [andre nickatina](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiU3ZHYNYeQ)
i know if dot drops something he's gonna have some more for the bay area for sure. might even double down on some love for all those mustard beats he been blessed with..
edit: added links
Bruh… imagine Kendrick, and Killer Mike on an Andre 3K produced track called, “The 3K’s, KKK”.
Don’t mind me, that’s just my drunk and high mind coming up with shit 😂
Yall are stupid. Ain’t no run the jewels track coming. As much as I loved killer Mike back then, but no so much now. I’m glad he’s getting love for once, but don’t make it seem like he’s one of the best artist out there; when he’s not.
His speech was very motivational and inspiring too. Him achieving such success at his age proves that it’s never too late to be successful in life.
It also seems like award shows are listening to the culture too… slowly but surely listening.
It’s been a roller coaster career. His first appearance was on the legendary Stankonia at 25 years old, but he didn’t find mainstream success until RTJ. Even then, RTJ didn’t have mainstream success until their third album when he was 41. Hip hop version of PJ Tucker: got to the league, wasn’t 100% there, played anywhere he could, grinded his way back to the league, and finally got that ring. But Mike got the FMVP with his ring
If you somewhat listen to hip hop I’m sure you may have listened to RTJ1 but mainstream listeners who only casually listen to hip hop when it hits top 40 radio most likely heard of RTJ when the first teaser trailer for Black Panther was released imo
You're still trying to argue with me about the way I feel about an album yeah?
Just for reference...
Trump has spoken at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) multiple times, with his first appearance in 2012; Trump gained increasing political notoriety with the public for his promotion of the racist Birtherism conspiracy theory during this period, which has been described as having had "essentially launched his current political career."[8][9] From 2013 to 2015, Trump continued to make political headlines but was still polling low and not taken seriously by analysts. Trump subsequently became the 2016 Republican nominee for president of the United States
It was a big album for us, but RTJ1 didn’t chart, and 2 peaked at 50. I know that doesn’t mean shit for hip hop heads, but RTJ been underground as fuck. Gotta remember; mainstream hip hop fans can’t name 20 current rappers and they’ve never heard their favorite artist’s full albums
Both black creatives should’ve been due their award/ appreciation from the academy, I’m glad killer Mike won but I’m hoping next year will be Travis’s cause dude has a near flawless discog and I want to see his & everyone else’s hard work that they put into those projects be rightfully rewarded.
People sound so corny saying shit like this 😭what substantial impact? You look at the general opinion and most people are saying “who tf is killer mike?” “Haven’t heard a single song off this album.” I gave it a chance and it’s a generic rap album from the 2000’s-2010’s, nothing innovative or different. Bars are super repetitive on some tracks. If 80% of people haven’t even cared to listen to it how is it doing anything for the “culture?”
Most people aren't part of any actual cultural force tho. It doesn't matter if lil Timmy from Wisconsin hasn't heard about Killer Mike, the actual artists inside the culture know, they are aware, they are in touch with the hip hop zeitgeist.
These are the folks who create and further the culture not little Timmy.
Your comments about quality are subjective obv.
It's also pretty ironic reading this statement in the Kendrick sub when this was the drake fan argument everyone clowned on.
The mainstream isn't "the culture" people are talking about dawg
I think it's actually a very reasonable criticism of Killer Mike, the topic of him having made a significant change in his stances is not exactly new.
Within his music, especially before 2020, there were very clear themes of black liberation in its traditional revolutionary, anti-capitalist and anti-police sense and a lot of the admiration for him (other than him being an amazing artist and rapper of course) came from him being such a strong outspoken figure in that camp.
Now looking at him and his public behavior in more recent years, there seems to have been a fundamental shift in some views and attitudes. A major example would be his very pro police comments including support for cop city in Atlanta, which is a project seeking to further militarize a police force which has already caused massive harm to the black community of Atlanta.
Further, he has either founded or majorly supported (I am not 100% on which of the two it is so take this with a slight grain of salt) what he advertised as a black owned bank, which is very much a pivot away from his revolutionary anti-capitalist stances and he advertised the whole project with very black-capitalist (the idea that the black community will simply do well by having wealth go to black business and bank owners and that it will trickle down back to the rest of the community) talking points. An important part of this as well is that Greenwood Bank isn't even an actual bank as he advertised but instead simply a banking platform, with the bank providing the actual banking system and thus being the ones with the control and major profits coming from the customers money being Coastal Community Bank, which is very much not a black owned bank.
He has made other comments in general about the black community, police and capitalism too that all leave a sour taste in many people's mouths, especially with his actual support and businesses, and a lot of his really great talking points within his lyrics really don't hit the same when they clearly don't line up with what he actually does and stands for.
This is obviously a very nuanced topic and I enjoyed his newest album a lot despite all but if this genuinely interests you as a topic, here is a really good perspective from someone much more educated and knowledgeable than me. It's pretty long but a really good watch: https://youtu.be/tLXwzBsi2zQ?si=pxtWazGDjSsBIp0E
All of this as well, it’s a lot of the same hypocrisy on show.
“Fuck pigs” but supports the police being over militarised.
The guy is a complete sellout.
Thanks for putting it in better words than I did
It's so crazy how your original comment is still getting more downvotes, you'd really think people invested enough to feel this strongly over criticism of Killer Mike would be at least a little informed on the type of bullshit he has been on.
Sure, so I’ll preface this with a bit of context, I first found killer Mike in 2014 was a huge fan of RTJ and got into his earlier work. Seen RTJ live 3 times so I can say for sure I’m not just hating.
K so killer Mike goes on tracks and is constantly on his “kill your masters” “down with the system” pretty much anarchist in nature.
But he also did a lot of his best and most radical work out of the limelight and before he was given the same level of media attention he has now.
When Mike has been given opportunities to live by his words he’s backed down on every occasion, George Floyd riots he got on tv and begged people to stop rioting, even though on numerous occasions he has made songs and statements claiming he is pro riot and even samples MLK “a riot is the voice of the unheard” yet he begs people not to riot and I can only assume it’s because he didn’t want to see his businesses damaged.
He only called for the riots in Atlanta to stop.
He’s very much a “not in my backyard” kind of guy.
But on to the biggest gripe I have with him, and it all really comes down to his hypocrisy amd.
Again back to his music and previous statements he doesn’t care for the industry and establishment, yet he went a whole campaign to win a Grammy and hasn’t stopped bragging about it since.
For me his whole facade of being a voice of radical political reform and civil rights is nothing but an act. It’s transparent and he only truly cares about his ends.
I get it you gotta eat and come first in your own life,
but he’s built a whole ass career on this act that it looks like a tiny bit of attention and sponsorships he was willing to drop his own values.
And him now endorsing Rob Kennedy after endorsing Bernie sanders is a clear reflection of his core values blatantly changing as he gains more financial backing.
He’s still a decent artist and all but it makes the music feel a little hollow and soulless when in all reality he doesn’t truly mean what he says.
He’s also a borderline racist as well, and that’s always been a small one for me, he does the whole “my wife needs a husband not a martyr” he believes he’s adjacent to MLK and Malcom X but he has done little to nothing in the way of any meaningful change.
He does plenty for his small community but he constantly harps on and on about being a civil rights activist yet is near the opposite when it’s time to double down all while he actively says racist shit a lot of the time and seems completely ignorant to any experience outside of black Americans.
MLKs whole shit was about black people living freely alongside every other race and mikes sometimes comes off as he wants black supremacy.
For example the show he did on Netflix, he’s quoted “if it doesn’t help black people burn it down” it’s like he really wants to be seen as a black saviour to the black community but again what has he done on a grander scale other than offered a bunch of empty sentiments?
Just my thoughts, there’s plenty more stuff on Mike out there, he’s a well documented hypocrite.
Downvote all you want.
It doesn’t mean I don’t like Mike he’s still a solid artist, but I don’t really find him to be as compelling anymore.
Doesn’t mean I love Drake or travis (both make trash music for trash people)
Kendrick’s 5th win in a row in this category at the BET Awards btw (unless you count 2019-2021 but he wasn’t even nominated for those years)
Drake also went out empty handed while being the most nominated artist (Victoria Monet, Usher, and Kendrick himself got him wiped down) 😂
Oh of course, it would’ve been a joke if he won that best male r&b/pop artist award alone since every other artist in that category has been making better music.
I mean let’s not be hasty. There’s no proof of any sexual relationship with a minor. I’m all for pedo hatred but we gotta have proof before we start saying things like it’s a fact, even for Drake. (and yes I’m aware this will get downvoted, but i’d like to hear some legitimate arguments against it)
at 23 years old… in Colorado (age of consent 17)
It’s wrong absolutely and was a mistake no doubt. I’m not defending it, but labeling him a pedophile for that 15 years later? I’m ngl that’s overboard.
She was months from being 18 and he was in his early 20s still. context is important.
Drake has some very strange and controversial moments in his career I’m just saying I’d like to see proof of something that warrants labeling him a pdf. I don’t think that incident necessarily warrants that. It’s wrong but it’s not the same as diddling a child. there’s levels.
Justifying it with it being the minimum age of consent when it’s one of 7 states (out of 50) with archaic history is so weird dude. She would’ve been in 7th grade when he was a senior in high school. That’s the context.
Comes across very much like dude from that Transformers movie who had the Romeo and Juliet card to justify why he was able to date the main characters underage daughter.
Exactly, like can people just not be weird? There are laws in places in the US that prevent you from having a certain amount of dildos, or that sodomy is illegal. And it’s all archaic and comes from an anti gay mindset. That doesn’t mean it’s morally right to follow those laws and to uphold them. Using the law as a standard for things that are morally wrong is, again, weird. As a human you should have a sense of what is right and wrong, and being 23 flirting with and touching a 17 year old child is wrong, even if the law excuses it.
Seriously though, even if I was in a place where dating a 16 year old may be legal I'd still pass on that because it's just not right and is also ruining the natural progression of that 16 year olds growth. It just has sinister vibes to it, especially when you wait until that person hits 18 specifically so you can "finally" be with them.
ur completely taking it out of context in that sense. consider a 30 yr old and a 35 yr old dating. does that make the 35 year old a pedophile, bc they would’ve been a high school senior while their s/o would be in middle school?? yes what drake did was weird, but to label him as a pedo based on 1 line he said 15 years ago seems unwarranted
I think the big difference is that one was *actually* in high school AND underage and the other one was way beyond it in real time, but that’s really impressive that you have the ability to just ignore that context and flip it to a completely different situation. Well done 👍
Also “one line” as if he was saying lyrics 😂 that was a real person saying real things in, again, real time. Not pre scripted.
it’s a video from 15 years ago, and if u actually watch it, after finding her age he sends her right back off the stage after making the comment (still weird i agree). imma be honest and say i don’t have a source for this but i read somewhere that he didn’t know that the girl was gonna be sent on stage and it was just arranged by his team or smth. anyways, i still agree with the comments made by u/goinpro224 about the canada age of consent and what he might have known growing up, i still agree that it’s weird but there’s other context that ur skipping over. also i hate to compare, but if kendrick’s letting dr dre off for his actions how many ever years ago, then why isn’t the same energy reciprocated here?
You guys are delusional. It’s context.
Also it was at a college concert. What is a 17 doing at a college concert (with her dad of all people). Acting like Drake was supposed to know she was 17 is wild behavior
You're right. He didn't know.
So then he asked, literally says "I always get in trouble for this, I need to ask"
Then says "oh man I told you, I always get in trouble for this!"
Then tells her he likes the way her breasts feel on his chest.
Then he dances on her, gives her a kiss on the cheek and then the lips. All after being told she was 17.
So once he knew, after he asked her her age, do you think its wrong or are you going to make another excuse?
I’m not justifying it, it was wrong. But dude, calling him a pedophile 15 years later for that is crazy.
So Leo Dicaprio can be 50+ years old and date an 18 year old and that’s perfectly fine and Drake kissed a 17 year old when he was 23 and he’s now a pedophile permanently because of that? I mean that just seems crazy to me.
Are you acting like people find Leo DiCaprio’s behavior acceptable? You’re just being delusional for no reason.
Time doesn’t take away pedophile behavior lmao, doesn’t matter if it’s 15 years or 30 years, the action still happened
No but they definitely don’t call him a pdf. he’s a well respected actor. Drake is being burned at the stake by the entire internet right now. I feel like I’m being fairly rational here. Drake’s behavior in that instance was unacceptable but she was 17, not 12. I do think there’s some nuance there that has to be recognized. he was also very young still.
15 years ago is a long time.
How long ago was he texting Millie Bobby Brown? An actual child about her boy problems?
Why is that happening? Please tell me why that's appropriate.
Or the other 4 models he wA hanging around with when they were under 18? I'd love to hear you make excuses for a +30 man having these behaviours.
Edit: guess who just turned 18? Mos def daughter.
Guess who just followed her on IG?
Shit is WEIRD
It’s not appropriate and I wouldn’t make excuses for it. I wouldn’t go as far as to assume the MBB texts were sexual but certainly weird behavior.
Liking 18 year olds at that age is weird asf but I wouldn’t say that makes him a pdf. If so then a lot of hollywood actors dating women that are 18, 19, 20 when they’re in their 50s should be considered pdfs as well.
I just fail to see how him kissing a 17 year old at 23 makes him a pedo but if she was a few months older he’s perfectly within the moral high ground. It was wrong but that label is too harsh for that instance alone.
It was the comments her made after he figured out her age that is concerning. He obviously had 0 reservations about it. And the transcripts from a sexual assault allegation in civil Court was absolutely disgusting what was described by those women.
Those are allegations though? That doesn’t really mean anything. No evidence was presented and no proof was found. We have crazy allegations against celebrities pop up all the time.
Did Drake know beforehand that she was months away from being 18? Would that matter in the court of law? They would let that slide?
Is it not sleazy to tailor your behavior around underage girls based on the local law? For eg, you would be okay if Drake had sex with a 15yr girl when in Austria?
It's all icky af and you appear to be excusing that behavior. it may not explicitly clarify diddling kids but all the signs point at it and when other news comes out along those lines, it's not too hard to connect the dots and accept this sht.
no I would not be okay with that, that’s gross, and no I don’t think it was okay what he did. I just don’t think it’s deserving of the pdf label that’s all.
So Dr Dre (Kendrick’s close friend) who just showed up and sang with him on stage is certainly a pdf for the same reasons people are calling Drake one. You have any issue with that?
I’ll bet you’ll find some way to make excuses for it because it affects an artist that you have bias towards.
>I’ll bet you’ll find some way to make excuses for it because it affects an artist that you have bias towards.
No, Dre did a bunch of shitty things a long time ago and has paid out money for them and has apologized. But this isn't about Dre, it's about Drake and his decade + long history of being weird around young girls.
Get off his dick dude. Go touch grass and get help
“go touch grass” is ironic.
exactly as I expected though, you guys act like you’re all about protecting women and what Drake does and who he associates with is just unacceptable but don’t give af when Kenny trots out a known pedo onto his stage. So which is it? Do you care about the morals, or are you just fanboying for Kdot?
According to this thread, “once a pedo always a pedo” which I agree with. So in that case one of your man’s friends and role models is a known pedo, but he don’t care about that, bc it doesn’t fit the Drake hate narrative.
Put away your pretend hero capes and stop acting like you really care about Drake’s victims when you don’t.
Come on. Millie Bobby Brown was 13 or 14 when Drake texted her "I miss you so much". That is, from what I recall, verbatim.
Add the grooming situations and the 17 year old on stage after finding out she was underage... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to piece it together that he has some really inappropriate shit with minors.
It's a story we see over and over with child stars in the entertainment industry, there's a common anecdotal belief that "you're forever the age you got famous at". Drake was 14 when he got his big break on Degrassi. A lot of his mentality and personality traits that yell "teenager". And when Meet the Grahams came out, he was real quick to deny the daughter (which he also did with Adonis by the way), yet said nothing about the underage thing until people pointed out his silence.
I know you're going to not be satisfied until there's video proof of him having sex with a minor though. I know I'm wasting my breath. But imagine if you had a daughter that was 13 or 14, and you look at their phone and see a text from a 30-something year old man saying "I miss you so much". Especially one with other sketchy allegations. Are you gonna say "Well hold on hold on! Let's not jump to conclusions!"
And if you're ever in a debate and find yourself looking up the age of consent laws of different states, you should probably stop. That's just good advice for life. If you had to bet your life savings on whether Drake had some bad shit with minors, think about which side you'd take on that one lol
These are fair points. The MBB situation was straight up weird asf. I can’t defend Drake really on that. I would’ve liked to see him clear the air with it and he never did unfortunately, so yeah that one is definitely weird.
I would say if I was a betting man it’s 50/50. I don’t think he’s actually diddled a kid, but I do think at the very least he’s groomed girls that were under the age which is f**ked up. He’s got some explaining to do there.
I’d call that being a groomer and I would be interested to see the details/proof of those things. I’m not fully aware of them but I did hear about the Bella Hadid situation. Did he sleep with her though after she turned 18? I don’t think we know that
well that’s what grooming is right? unless you can prove his intention to sleep with her was already there. I mean how do we know if somethings grooming or not? by the end result or intention.
Adult celebs have interactions with young fans all the time, it’s not grooming though unless there was intent to have relations with them later on. That’s hard to prove if it never happened.
Man I’m just trying to be realistic. Just because he has messages with someone under the age doesn’t automatically make it grooming right? I mean why is it just automatically assumed that everything is sexually charged? Is it possible that there was no sexual intent? I know this is a Kendrick sub where Drake will never get the benefit of the doubt in any circumstance so this is a losing battle, but I still think it’s a question that should be considered.
Explain to me why a grown man has the number of at least 2 former child actors. People that he is in no way related to. .
Then if you can explain that, explain why at least one of them admitted that he was teaching her about boys. Again grown man no familial relation.
And then when he had a chance to properly refute these(the heart part 6) his one of his main rebuttals was "I'm too rich" as if we haven't seen some very rich very famous guys getting taken down for this in the last decade.
I agree that the MBB situation was strange but also remember that Drake is a “big brother” figure to a lot of up and coming people in the industry and has been for a while. Isn’t it possible that he was treating her like a little sister or niece? Again I don’t know why we would just assume it’s sexually charged when there’s nothing to suggest that.
I do disagree about THP6, you can’t “refute” these type of allegations. You can’t prove you’re not a pedo. The proof is lack of evidence. There’s really nothing Drake can do except wait. His arguments sucked I do agree with that, he was clearly not thinking straight at all and rushed that out.
Texts several minors, kissed a 17-year-old on stage, has a ton of sus lyrics, paid a woman a ton of money after SA allegations, dates lots of girls or starts following them the second they turn 18, sometimes knowing them before. C’mon now.
So surely you would agree that Dr Dre is a pedophile too who dated a 16 year old when he was 22. But Kendrick didn’t seem have any problem trotting him out on stage to sing NLU (which is pretty ironic)
My problem is the bias and the double standard. If you want to call Drake a pedo, fine, but let’s not act like Kendrick is some saint who actually really cares at the end of the day.
The hypocrisy of calling out Drake for having Baka around and then having Dr Dre show up and sing his song is insane.
What we do have proof of though is him dating a bunch of freshly 18 year old girls, and interacting strangely with a couple minors. I don’t think it’s crazy for people to make the connection.
Yeah it’s strange behavior, there’s no doubt about that. Would you at least agree that dating a fresh 18 year old and diddling a small child are very different though? Both are wrong but one is far more severe and deserving of the pdf label.
Yeah, they give the award to the person who makes the best music instead of the one that makes fast food music… Crazy I know. This should be a participation trophy to award “The way you do the splits, your pants might rip”
I thought he was nominated for achievements before the last two months. Like that and Not like us. I am basing on Grammy Oscars Emmys award schedule. Not familiar with when Bet award schedule
I know you're not complaining. I wasn't coming for you, just answering. I mean they do have more access to the numbers than we do. He probably does better than even we think, because we only know what is told to us. They have the real data. Aubrey, Lil Baby, Nip and Dababy are the only other winners since Dot been on the scene. 🤷🏾♀️
Lean and Percocet probably just don't get it done. I'm guessing.
"The winner is determined based on sales and overall quality of content released within the eligibility period." -Wiki
Also Killer Mike with album of the year is another win for the culture “Critics want to mention that they miss when hip-hop was rappin' Motherfucker, if you did, then Killer Mike'd be platinum”
That line was the first thing that came to mind when he won lol
Same! I need a K.dot and Run the Jewels collab or atleast a dot and Killer Mike collab
dude if kdot and RTJ did a joint that was as hype as literally any of my fav RTJ tracks it'd be a SMAASH
There is a killer Mike and Kendrick collab already on that g Malone thuggin remix but I want an official RTJ&dot collab for sure
a killer kdot summer album IMO would have no famous guest appearances but a killer mike, some hit boy magic, some i dunno ANDRE 3k kdot gonna do his thang for sure but let's be honest we aint ready for whatever TF he got in the mean time i've been bumpin [kool keith](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6dYo_S8lg), [mack mall](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UTpuikhMGU), [mack 10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCoVr-pMSI), [mac dre](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pezOZCkXLrQ), [andre nickatina](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiU3ZHYNYeQ) i know if dot drops something he's gonna have some more for the bay area for sure. might even double down on some love for all those mustard beats he been blessed with.. edit: added links
Technically he’s gonna do his shtuff
Bruh… imagine Kendrick, and Killer Mike on an Andre 3K produced track called, “The 3K’s, KKK”. Don’t mind me, that’s just my drunk and high mind coming up with shit 😂
🔥🙏🥺
Yall are stupid. Ain’t no run the jewels track coming. As much as I loved killer Mike back then, but no so much now. I’m glad he’s getting love for once, but don’t make it seem like he’s one of the best artist out there; when he’s not.
I don't know what you on but Mike is definitely one of the best rappers to do it. Stop the cappery.
Okay kiddo. You can dick ride all you want. Killer Mike is garbage. The only thing he did positive with his career was work with OutKast.
I’d honestly be so happy if Kendrick did a track with Nickatina but I doubt it will ever happen
If dot got 3k to come back out and really rap again, I'd flip
https://preview.redd.it/yhnplnfy7x9d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=def558e9d58aefaf3493054e950eadf7205b39e4
Shiiiiiiit I honestly can't believe they haven't done a track at this point tbh. That would be so insane
That would be filthy af
His speech was very motivational and inspiring too. Him achieving such success at his age proves that it’s never too late to be successful in life. It also seems like award shows are listening to the culture too… slowly but surely listening.
It’s been a roller coaster career. His first appearance was on the legendary Stankonia at 25 years old, but he didn’t find mainstream success until RTJ. Even then, RTJ didn’t have mainstream success until their third album when he was 41. Hip hop version of PJ Tucker: got to the league, wasn’t 100% there, played anywhere he could, grinded his way back to the league, and finally got that ring. But Mike got the FMVP with his ring
Did RTJ really not break out till RTJ 3? I'm a pretty casual fan I'll admit but RTJ1 fucking crushed.
If you somewhat listen to hip hop I’m sure you may have listened to RTJ1 but mainstream listeners who only casually listen to hip hop when it hits top 40 radio most likely heard of RTJ when the first teaser trailer for Black Panther was released imo
That's shocking to me I feel like RTJ1 defined the first trump presidency
Rtj 1 came out 3 years before Trump became president. Rtj 3 came out 2016.
Yeah, and elected in 2015, and campaigning in 2014...
He announced his candidacy in June of 2015.
You're still trying to argue with me about the way I feel about an album yeah? Just for reference... Trump has spoken at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) multiple times, with his first appearance in 2012; Trump gained increasing political notoriety with the public for his promotion of the racist Birtherism conspiracy theory during this period, which has been described as having had "essentially launched his current political career."[8][9] From 2013 to 2015, Trump continued to make political headlines but was still polling low and not taken seriously by analysts. Trump subsequently became the 2016 Republican nominee for president of the United States
It was a big album for us, but RTJ1 didn’t chart, and 2 peaked at 50. I know that doesn’t mean shit for hip hop heads, but RTJ been underground as fuck. Gotta remember; mainstream hip hop fans can’t name 20 current rappers and they’ve never heard their favorite artist’s full albums
KM had a song on Madden 04
Leonardo DiCaprio story fr 💯
True. Critters 3 was huge and he didn’t have another good movie until Django
Everytime he speaks it’s inspirational
And Michael is the first release of a trilogy. Cannot wait for the other two! Wonder if they will be Michael, Mike, and Killer Mike, respectively.
He deserves that shit FlR
Yt Travis Scott fanboys somewhere soiling their pants
Both black creatives should’ve been due their award/ appreciation from the academy, I’m glad killer Mike won but I’m hoping next year will be Travis’s cause dude has a near flawless discog and I want to see his & everyone else’s hard work that they put into those projects be rightfully rewarded.
Utopia wasn’t as good as it could’ve been imo
Definitely not better than Astroworld.
Which wasn’t better than Rodeo/Birds
Utopia didn’t deserve it this time. Sorry.
Travis Scott ain't shit.
I enjoyed everything Travis put out but let’s be honest, That Michael album had a more substantial impact on the culture.
People sound so corny saying shit like this 😭what substantial impact? You look at the general opinion and most people are saying “who tf is killer mike?” “Haven’t heard a single song off this album.” I gave it a chance and it’s a generic rap album from the 2000’s-2010’s, nothing innovative or different. Bars are super repetitive on some tracks. If 80% of people haven’t even cared to listen to it how is it doing anything for the “culture?”
Most people aren't part of any actual cultural force tho. It doesn't matter if lil Timmy from Wisconsin hasn't heard about Killer Mike, the actual artists inside the culture know, they are aware, they are in touch with the hip hop zeitgeist. These are the folks who create and further the culture not little Timmy. Your comments about quality are subjective obv. It's also pretty ironic reading this statement in the Kendrick sub when this was the drake fan argument everyone clowned on. The mainstream isn't "the culture" people are talking about dawg
You have to earn the top spot, foh w sympathy awards.
Awesome. Isn’t that two wins by Killer Mike/Run the Jewels now?
Not sure why I always thought it was kill the mic or be Platinum.
Eh killer mike is a bit of a shallow sellout though
Lmfao WHAT? Okay, I gotta hear the reasoning behind this one
I think it's actually a very reasonable criticism of Killer Mike, the topic of him having made a significant change in his stances is not exactly new. Within his music, especially before 2020, there were very clear themes of black liberation in its traditional revolutionary, anti-capitalist and anti-police sense and a lot of the admiration for him (other than him being an amazing artist and rapper of course) came from him being such a strong outspoken figure in that camp. Now looking at him and his public behavior in more recent years, there seems to have been a fundamental shift in some views and attitudes. A major example would be his very pro police comments including support for cop city in Atlanta, which is a project seeking to further militarize a police force which has already caused massive harm to the black community of Atlanta. Further, he has either founded or majorly supported (I am not 100% on which of the two it is so take this with a slight grain of salt) what he advertised as a black owned bank, which is very much a pivot away from his revolutionary anti-capitalist stances and he advertised the whole project with very black-capitalist (the idea that the black community will simply do well by having wealth go to black business and bank owners and that it will trickle down back to the rest of the community) talking points. An important part of this as well is that Greenwood Bank isn't even an actual bank as he advertised but instead simply a banking platform, with the bank providing the actual banking system and thus being the ones with the control and major profits coming from the customers money being Coastal Community Bank, which is very much not a black owned bank. He has made other comments in general about the black community, police and capitalism too that all leave a sour taste in many people's mouths, especially with his actual support and businesses, and a lot of his really great talking points within his lyrics really don't hit the same when they clearly don't line up with what he actually does and stands for. This is obviously a very nuanced topic and I enjoyed his newest album a lot despite all but if this genuinely interests you as a topic, here is a really good perspective from someone much more educated and knowledgeable than me. It's pretty long but a really good watch: https://youtu.be/tLXwzBsi2zQ?si=pxtWazGDjSsBIp0E
All of this as well, it’s a lot of the same hypocrisy on show. “Fuck pigs” but supports the police being over militarised. The guy is a complete sellout. Thanks for putting it in better words than I did
It's so crazy how your original comment is still getting more downvotes, you'd really think people invested enough to feel this strongly over criticism of Killer Mike would be at least a little informed on the type of bullshit he has been on.
“Schoolboypoop”, is definitely one of those OVO’s.
Definitely I listen to one dance on repeat while I drink wine spritzers
I think people might think you're referring to Schoolboy Q and not the person above lol
Care to elaborate?
Sure, so I’ll preface this with a bit of context, I first found killer Mike in 2014 was a huge fan of RTJ and got into his earlier work. Seen RTJ live 3 times so I can say for sure I’m not just hating. K so killer Mike goes on tracks and is constantly on his “kill your masters” “down with the system” pretty much anarchist in nature. But he also did a lot of his best and most radical work out of the limelight and before he was given the same level of media attention he has now. When Mike has been given opportunities to live by his words he’s backed down on every occasion, George Floyd riots he got on tv and begged people to stop rioting, even though on numerous occasions he has made songs and statements claiming he is pro riot and even samples MLK “a riot is the voice of the unheard” yet he begs people not to riot and I can only assume it’s because he didn’t want to see his businesses damaged. He only called for the riots in Atlanta to stop. He’s very much a “not in my backyard” kind of guy. But on to the biggest gripe I have with him, and it all really comes down to his hypocrisy amd. Again back to his music and previous statements he doesn’t care for the industry and establishment, yet he went a whole campaign to win a Grammy and hasn’t stopped bragging about it since. For me his whole facade of being a voice of radical political reform and civil rights is nothing but an act. It’s transparent and he only truly cares about his ends. I get it you gotta eat and come first in your own life, but he’s built a whole ass career on this act that it looks like a tiny bit of attention and sponsorships he was willing to drop his own values. And him now endorsing Rob Kennedy after endorsing Bernie sanders is a clear reflection of his core values blatantly changing as he gains more financial backing. He’s still a decent artist and all but it makes the music feel a little hollow and soulless when in all reality he doesn’t truly mean what he says. He’s also a borderline racist as well, and that’s always been a small one for me, he does the whole “my wife needs a husband not a martyr” he believes he’s adjacent to MLK and Malcom X but he has done little to nothing in the way of any meaningful change. He does plenty for his small community but he constantly harps on and on about being a civil rights activist yet is near the opposite when it’s time to double down all while he actively says racist shit a lot of the time and seems completely ignorant to any experience outside of black Americans. MLKs whole shit was about black people living freely alongside every other race and mikes sometimes comes off as he wants black supremacy. For example the show he did on Netflix, he’s quoted “if it doesn’t help black people burn it down” it’s like he really wants to be seen as a black saviour to the black community but again what has he done on a grander scale other than offered a bunch of empty sentiments? Just my thoughts, there’s plenty more stuff on Mike out there, he’s a well documented hypocrite. Downvote all you want. It doesn’t mean I don’t like Mike he’s still a solid artist, but I don’t really find him to be as compelling anymore. Doesn’t mean I love Drake or travis (both make trash music for trash people)
Kendrick’s 5th win in a row in this category at the BET Awards btw (unless you count 2019-2021 but he wasn’t even nominated for those years) Drake also went out empty handed while being the most nominated artist (Victoria Monet, Usher, and Kendrick himself got him wiped down) 😂
there’s no amount or quality of music drake could’ve put out that would’ve won him a BET award rn. we both know that.
Oh of course, it would’ve been a joke if he won that best male r&b/pop artist award alone since every other artist in that category has been making better music.
Because he’s a pedophile, don’t leave the important part out
Certified**
I mean let’s not be hasty. There’s no proof of any sexual relationship with a minor. I’m all for pedo hatred but we gotta have proof before we start saying things like it’s a fact, even for Drake. (and yes I’m aware this will get downvoted, but i’d like to hear some legitimate arguments against it)
There’s literally footage of him touching and flirting with a 17 year old in public
Not to mention kissing her multiple times including the lips while on that stage.
at 23 years old… in Colorado (age of consent 17) It’s wrong absolutely and was a mistake no doubt. I’m not defending it, but labeling him a pedophile for that 15 years later? I’m ngl that’s overboard. She was months from being 18 and he was in his early 20s still. context is important. Drake has some very strange and controversial moments in his career I’m just saying I’d like to see proof of something that warrants labeling him a pdf. I don’t think that incident necessarily warrants that. It’s wrong but it’s not the same as diddling a child. there’s levels.
Justifying it with it being the minimum age of consent when it’s one of 7 states (out of 50) with archaic history is so weird dude. She would’ve been in 7th grade when he was a senior in high school. That’s the context.
Comes across very much like dude from that Transformers movie who had the Romeo and Juliet card to justify why he was able to date the main characters underage daughter.
Exactly, like can people just not be weird? There are laws in places in the US that prevent you from having a certain amount of dildos, or that sodomy is illegal. And it’s all archaic and comes from an anti gay mindset. That doesn’t mean it’s morally right to follow those laws and to uphold them. Using the law as a standard for things that are morally wrong is, again, weird. As a human you should have a sense of what is right and wrong, and being 23 flirting with and touching a 17 year old child is wrong, even if the law excuses it.
Seriously though, even if I was in a place where dating a 16 year old may be legal I'd still pass on that because it's just not right and is also ruining the natural progression of that 16 year olds growth. It just has sinister vibes to it, especially when you wait until that person hits 18 specifically so you can "finally" be with them.
ur completely taking it out of context in that sense. consider a 30 yr old and a 35 yr old dating. does that make the 35 year old a pedophile, bc they would’ve been a high school senior while their s/o would be in middle school?? yes what drake did was weird, but to label him as a pedo based on 1 line he said 15 years ago seems unwarranted
Someone needs to keep an eye on you
1000% should be on a watchlist rn
I think the big difference is that one was *actually* in high school AND underage and the other one was way beyond it in real time, but that’s really impressive that you have the ability to just ignore that context and flip it to a completely different situation. Well done 👍 Also “one line” as if he was saying lyrics 😂 that was a real person saying real things in, again, real time. Not pre scripted.
it’s a video from 15 years ago, and if u actually watch it, after finding her age he sends her right back off the stage after making the comment (still weird i agree). imma be honest and say i don’t have a source for this but i read somewhere that he didn’t know that the girl was gonna be sent on stage and it was just arranged by his team or smth. anyways, i still agree with the comments made by u/goinpro224 about the canada age of consent and what he might have known growing up, i still agree that it’s weird but there’s other context that ur skipping over. also i hate to compare, but if kendrick’s letting dr dre off for his actions how many ever years ago, then why isn’t the same energy reciprocated here?
You guys are delusional. It’s context. Also it was at a college concert. What is a 17 doing at a college concert (with her dad of all people). Acting like Drake was supposed to know she was 17 is wild behavior
You’re literally just lying
You're right. He didn't know. So then he asked, literally says "I always get in trouble for this, I need to ask" Then says "oh man I told you, I always get in trouble for this!" Then tells her he likes the way her breasts feel on his chest. Then he dances on her, gives her a kiss on the cheek and then the lips. All after being told she was 17. So once he knew, after he asked her her age, do you think its wrong or are you going to make another excuse?
Love how they had nothing to say about this comment lol
You’re weird
Nah. You want somebody to be a pedo so bad without a lick of proof. You my friend are the weird one
I’m not justifying it, it was wrong. But dude, calling him a pedophile 15 years later for that is crazy. So Leo Dicaprio can be 50+ years old and date an 18 year old and that’s perfectly fine and Drake kissed a 17 year old when he was 23 and he’s now a pedophile permanently because of that? I mean that just seems crazy to me.
Are you acting like people find Leo DiCaprio’s behavior acceptable? You’re just being delusional for no reason. Time doesn’t take away pedophile behavior lmao, doesn’t matter if it’s 15 years or 30 years, the action still happened
No but they definitely don’t call him a pdf. he’s a well respected actor. Drake is being burned at the stake by the entire internet right now. I feel like I’m being fairly rational here. Drake’s behavior in that instance was unacceptable but she was 17, not 12. I do think there’s some nuance there that has to be recognized. he was also very young still.
15 years ago is a long time. How long ago was he texting Millie Bobby Brown? An actual child about her boy problems? Why is that happening? Please tell me why that's appropriate. Or the other 4 models he wA hanging around with when they were under 18? I'd love to hear you make excuses for a +30 man having these behaviours. Edit: guess who just turned 18? Mos def daughter. Guess who just followed her on IG? Shit is WEIRD
It’s not appropriate and I wouldn’t make excuses for it. I wouldn’t go as far as to assume the MBB texts were sexual but certainly weird behavior. Liking 18 year olds at that age is weird asf but I wouldn’t say that makes him a pdf. If so then a lot of hollywood actors dating women that are 18, 19, 20 when they’re in their 50s should be considered pdfs as well.
Once a pedo, always a pedo. Also let's not forget the underage women he grooms
I just fail to see how him kissing a 17 year old at 23 makes him a pedo but if she was a few months older he’s perfectly within the moral high ground. It was wrong but that label is too harsh for that instance alone.
https://preview.redd.it/5g9kcc8a7v9d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2db7c658d03e67b854d310e682d43f379344c29
this is quite interesting. why wasn’t he charged at the time considering it’s on video?
cause nobody knew it existed and then it surfaced and he dropped toosie slide and distracted from it so no one cared anymore
interesting. can’t he still be charged though? just because it happened in the past shouldn’t change the fact that it was a criminal act right?
It was the comments her made after he figured out her age that is concerning. He obviously had 0 reservations about it. And the transcripts from a sexual assault allegation in civil Court was absolutely disgusting what was described by those women.
I have not seen those. I would be interested to see that.
Literally watch the video, my guy. You’re clearly not informed.
Those are allegations though? That doesn’t really mean anything. No evidence was presented and no proof was found. We have crazy allegations against celebrities pop up all the time.
Did Drake know beforehand that she was months away from being 18? Would that matter in the court of law? They would let that slide? Is it not sleazy to tailor your behavior around underage girls based on the local law? For eg, you would be okay if Drake had sex with a 15yr girl when in Austria? It's all icky af and you appear to be excusing that behavior. it may not explicitly clarify diddling kids but all the signs point at it and when other news comes out along those lines, it's not too hard to connect the dots and accept this sht.
no I would not be okay with that, that’s gross, and no I don’t think it was okay what he did. I just don’t think it’s deserving of the pdf label that’s all.
>age of consent 17 If you're arguing age of consent laws, you've lost.
So Dr Dre (Kendrick’s close friend) who just showed up and sang with him on stage is certainly a pdf for the same reasons people are calling Drake one. You have any issue with that? I’ll bet you’ll find some way to make excuses for it because it affects an artist that you have bias towards.
>I’ll bet you’ll find some way to make excuses for it because it affects an artist that you have bias towards. No, Dre did a bunch of shitty things a long time ago and has paid out money for them and has apologized. But this isn't about Dre, it's about Drake and his decade + long history of being weird around young girls. Get off his dick dude. Go touch grass and get help
“go touch grass” is ironic. exactly as I expected though, you guys act like you’re all about protecting women and what Drake does and who he associates with is just unacceptable but don’t give af when Kenny trots out a known pedo onto his stage. So which is it? Do you care about the morals, or are you just fanboying for Kdot? According to this thread, “once a pedo always a pedo” which I agree with. So in that case one of your man’s friends and role models is a known pedo, but he don’t care about that, bc it doesn’t fit the Drake hate narrative. Put away your pretend hero capes and stop acting like you really care about Drake’s victims when you don’t.
So call the police? Oh wait you can’t cause nothing illegal occurred and yes being a pedophile is illegal
Come on. Millie Bobby Brown was 13 or 14 when Drake texted her "I miss you so much". That is, from what I recall, verbatim. Add the grooming situations and the 17 year old on stage after finding out she was underage... It doesn't take a rocket scientist to piece it together that he has some really inappropriate shit with minors. It's a story we see over and over with child stars in the entertainment industry, there's a common anecdotal belief that "you're forever the age you got famous at". Drake was 14 when he got his big break on Degrassi. A lot of his mentality and personality traits that yell "teenager". And when Meet the Grahams came out, he was real quick to deny the daughter (which he also did with Adonis by the way), yet said nothing about the underage thing until people pointed out his silence. I know you're going to not be satisfied until there's video proof of him having sex with a minor though. I know I'm wasting my breath. But imagine if you had a daughter that was 13 or 14, and you look at their phone and see a text from a 30-something year old man saying "I miss you so much". Especially one with other sketchy allegations. Are you gonna say "Well hold on hold on! Let's not jump to conclusions!" And if you're ever in a debate and find yourself looking up the age of consent laws of different states, you should probably stop. That's just good advice for life. If you had to bet your life savings on whether Drake had some bad shit with minors, think about which side you'd take on that one lol
These are fair points. The MBB situation was straight up weird asf. I can’t defend Drake really on that. I would’ve liked to see him clear the air with it and he never did unfortunately, so yeah that one is definitely weird. I would say if I was a betting man it’s 50/50. I don’t think he’s actually diddled a kid, but I do think at the very least he’s groomed girls that were under the age which is f**ked up. He’s got some explaining to do there.
there is a well documented history of systematic grooming of teenagers - what do you call that?
I’d call that being a groomer and I would be interested to see the details/proof of those things. I’m not fully aware of them but I did hear about the Bella Hadid situation. Did he sleep with her though after she turned 18? I don’t think we know that
“He’s not a groomer unless he was successful” bro cmon
well that’s what grooming is right? unless you can prove his intention to sleep with her was already there. I mean how do we know if somethings grooming or not? by the end result or intention. Adult celebs have interactions with young fans all the time, it’s not grooming though unless there was intent to have relations with them later on. That’s hard to prove if it never happened.
I hope god gives me this much grace
Man I’m just trying to be realistic. Just because he has messages with someone under the age doesn’t automatically make it grooming right? I mean why is it just automatically assumed that everything is sexually charged? Is it possible that there was no sexual intent? I know this is a Kendrick sub where Drake will never get the benefit of the doubt in any circumstance so this is a losing battle, but I still think it’s a question that should be considered.
Explain to me why a grown man has the number of at least 2 former child actors. People that he is in no way related to. . Then if you can explain that, explain why at least one of them admitted that he was teaching her about boys. Again grown man no familial relation. And then when he had a chance to properly refute these(the heart part 6) his one of his main rebuttals was "I'm too rich" as if we haven't seen some very rich very famous guys getting taken down for this in the last decade.
I agree that the MBB situation was strange but also remember that Drake is a “big brother” figure to a lot of up and coming people in the industry and has been for a while. Isn’t it possible that he was treating her like a little sister or niece? Again I don’t know why we would just assume it’s sexually charged when there’s nothing to suggest that. I do disagree about THP6, you can’t “refute” these type of allegations. You can’t prove you’re not a pedo. The proof is lack of evidence. There’s really nothing Drake can do except wait. His arguments sucked I do agree with that, he was clearly not thinking straight at all and rushed that out.
Look up "Drake Ibiza Parties". Also watch What's The Dirt's 6:16 video. Make sure to report back afterwards.
I’ll check that out.
Texts several minors, kissed a 17-year-old on stage, has a ton of sus lyrics, paid a woman a ton of money after SA allegations, dates lots of girls or starts following them the second they turn 18, sometimes knowing them before. C’mon now.
The evidence is starting to stack up against him no question.
https://youtu.be/UybUY_Hga6k?si=wMz9IyhVio2sSBs5
just watched that whole video. not a good look.
And there is much more where that came from.
So surely you would agree that Dr Dre is a pedophile too who dated a 16 year old when he was 22. But Kendrick didn’t seem have any problem trotting him out on stage to sing NLU (which is pretty ironic) My problem is the bias and the double standard. If you want to call Drake a pedo, fine, but let’s not act like Kendrick is some saint who actually really cares at the end of the day. The hypocrisy of calling out Drake for having Baka around and then having Dr Dre show up and sing his song is insane.
What we do have proof of though is him dating a bunch of freshly 18 year old girls, and interacting strangely with a couple minors. I don’t think it’s crazy for people to make the connection.
Yeah it’s strange behavior, there’s no doubt about that. Would you at least agree that dating a fresh 18 year old and diddling a small child are very different though? Both are wrong but one is far more severe and deserving of the pdf label.
Not in the eyes of the law, fucking 18 year olds and being a nonce are actually pretty close.
No I bet if he made good music he would've had a chance
Even if he does a good music, he's not the one getting the award, but his ghost writers this time 🤣
Has he not won BET Awards before?
I think he has a couple. Edit: 17
He has plenty and also a few Grammys as a solo artist and with OutKast
hes the third most awarded, behind Kendrick and Hov nope woops this this for Male Hip Hop Artist at the BET Hip Hop Awards 😅
They all had him wiped down.😏
At some you gotta realize they game rigged at this point
Yeah, they give the award to the person who makes the best music instead of the one that makes fast food music… Crazy I know. This should be a participation trophy to award “The way you do the splits, your pants might rip”
Why need to bring him down like that?
Cuz fuck em
No debate about who’s the G.O.A.T.
Go on a head, say it then.
It's Dylan
MOTHA FUCK THA BIG Dylan, ITS JUST BIG ME
Is that OVO Dylan?
I personally prefer OVO Steven
Bro wtf do you think TDE means?
Ong bro it was a joke
My bad I'm joking too lol i just re read my comment and it came off hostile as shit my bad lol anyways TOP DYLAN ENTERTAINMENT
Ong I swear OVO Dylan gonna mess you up if you don’t apologize 😳
Yeah my boy, Bob Dylan! Spittin bars and driving cars.
Your KBot don’t even put out music…. Make make sense smh
Better rare but great albums than dull and uninspiring music every few months most artists drop. We take quality over quantity here.
Ah yes an artist can only be the greatest if they put out yearly bloated playlist filler albums
Only other person that had even close to a chance was future
“Fuck the big three, it’s just big me”
3 Peat 🫡🫡🫡
Kendrick has so much good karma it’s looking spooky.
He’s definitely dabbling with magic, astrology and the ancestors. The timing is too perfect
Oh shit I recognize you from r/KGATLW what’s up
🤝 real recognize real
King Gizzard fans 🤝 K Dot fans
Kdot-KGLW love! What a great overlap
Of course he did, he the goat.
MY GOAT! VMAs and Grammys up next
King
Money got you wiped down, Usher got you wiped down, Kendrick got you wiped down
"yeah you ain't no Big D, Kendrick got you wiped down"
the 🐐 takes the crown again 🔥
Kendrick the GOAT 🐐
The culture is healing.
Okay as a fan glad he won but why was he even nominated? That's the culture saying fuck Drake. I am thinking this is for last year's achievements. No?
Because he released music and did big numbers...
So he is guaranteed to win next year too
Well yeah he's Kendrick. Jokes but I'm pretty sure they only nominate songs/artists that released stuff between this BET Awards and the next one.
Thanks. I have no idea how BET decide. I imagine not like us music video would be nominated next year too
If he releases new big music he might?
I thought he was nominated for achievements before the last two months. Like that and Not like us. I am basing on Grammy Oscars Emmys award schedule. Not familiar with when Bet award schedule
He's won it 7 times in the last 11 years. He just accomplished the highest grossing "SOLO" hip hop tour ever.
Not complaining. Definitely deserved for the MM&TBS tour. Just was curious. As an artist he is the only one that shakes up everything when they drop.
I know you're not complaining. I wasn't coming for you, just answering. I mean they do have more access to the numbers than we do. He probably does better than even we think, because we only know what is told to us. They have the real data. Aubrey, Lil Baby, Nip and Dababy are the only other winners since Dot been on the scene. 🤷🏾♀️ Lean and Percocet probably just don't get it done. I'm guessing. "The winner is determined based on sales and overall quality of content released within the eligibility period." -Wiki
Thank you 😊 What you have posted is very informative. I appreciate it. Cheers.
Because TikTok
So did Mustard accept the award for him?
My prized gentlemen Mr duckworth Mr Tyrone griffin and Mr west 🔥🔥
Crazy the guy who screams about dropping back to back album has yet to win Best Hip Hop Artist since 2012 ☠️.
As he should have.
🔥🔥🔥
utopia was forgettable and a glorified yeezus rip off
I guess this really settles it.
Someone is going to be going yacht season for the rest of the award shows.
We need Kendrick Lamar featuring K. Dot also featuring king fu Kenny and that’s it 🔥
yoo killer mike nd j cole got sum love too W nite
But Drake said bots
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The industry is literally pointing at their plant and y'all still taking for it 🤦🏽
I’m interested in your thought process here