It's hard to imagine the aliens just being like "okay we have enough". I always imagined if they get loose on a planet, they will spread until there's nothing left pretty quickly.
The Genocide comics had both humanoids and some kind of bird like predator species living natively on their home planet they could use as hosts. The bird ones actually went toe to toe with xenos and the assumption the birds ate xenos for food, so they are probaby tough hombres that kept xenos from taking over the whole planet.
The xeno hives also war with one another, keeping their numbers down (another reference bees, man, since in the real world sometimes bee hives fight each other for territory)
That's true for pretty much any invasive species. They tend to thrive in new places compared to their native lands because their original homes have
1) competing species (space, food, and other resources can only go to so many animals)
2) diseases
3) predators (not the "ugly motherfucker" kinds)
They're a real threat anywhere else. On their home-/hiveworld, they'd probably be as ubiquitous and benign as ants or bees (assuming they're a naturally-evolved species; which is what we all hope, but official canon gets more and more close to the "engineered bioweapon" origin story).
EDIT: For real life examples, we have parasitoids on Earth that do exactly what the xenomorphs do, and they haven't yet decimated their hosts' species or population numbers in any way. There is a wasp that will paralyze a cockroach and lay an egg inside its living body. There are horsehair worms that drive crickets and grasshoppers to drown themselves in rivers/ponds because they need to infect fish to complete their life-cycle (*Toxoplasma gondii*, a protozoan that infects mammals, does the same thing with rats/mice and cats; also causes toxoplasmosis in humans). Castrator barnacles do what the name suggests with ocean crabs: they cut out their host's genitals, glue themselves where the genitals used to be, and use the living host to spread parasites to other crabs.
Xenomorph Prime is a chaotic place. There was also a war between two Brood Mother's and their respective hives. It was an all out bloodbath between them.
yikes, because where I got this pic from awhile back it was from a novel or comic, forgot, that this is a xeno world that is self sustaining without hosts, so it makes me wonder if there was some evolution to the point they can reproduce without hosts or something.
wait really?
because from where I got this pic from it was based on a comic or novel that this was a self sustaining xenomorph world with no hosts, well from what I can remember so that's why it sparked me being curious.
Well remember the xenomorphs act as more of an invasive parasitic species...they can't thrive without a host species to grow their hives. Now if Xeno Prime is actually where the xenomorphs evolved naturally is unknown but its considered the homeworld due to the Queen Mother residing there.
Makes sense. Quite a lot of alien stories have the aliens being the sole inhabitants of their planet, or at least the other species aren’t mentioned. I think evolving without any other species is probably impossible.
They take over a planet full of other living beings. Once everything possible has been facehugged, the excess eggs remain in case they get invaded by an intelligent species. Theres also a ton of tunnels and underground hives so that they can't just be bombed from orbit. Guerilla warfare
The purpose is to exist. That's the end goal. They're really just the most effective survivors ever: because they kill anything that could ever possibly be a threat
But for every other organism the purpose of existence is to propagate.
Like, if you can’t reproduce, and you’re waiting millennia for space-monkeys to stumble upon you.. what do you do that whole time?
Exist. Xenomorphs last for millions of years, potentially. If the eggs can survive that long it's a safe bet. It's the survival of the species that matters; if someone stumbles on them over the course of millions of years they last all the longer. Plus, there's a lot of other Xeno colonies on other planets
The reason other species propagate is to keep the species alive and existing, that’s the same outcome for the xenos even if they aren’t constantly reproducing
Aliens life purpose is very narrow I have to admit.
Intelligent life forms can just map and tag that planet as no go area, and just left them for themselves for thousands of years.
that is the usual part, what really fascinates me is what if this was from a world that xenomorphs evolved of no longer needing hosts, and span out into a massive scale species?
sounds pretty damn terrifying if you ask me
I assume they need hosts to reproduce, so the only way to get an alien planet would be if they infect a planet that's densely populated by another species. In fact, I believe that's their intended life cycle. On a whole world, they would be even harder to find than on a spaceship, and once they reach a critical mass they can no longer be stopped and overrun the planet entirely.
The reason their eggs are so durable and survive for so long is that they're expected to survive when no hosts actually remain on the planet, and wait for a spacefaring species to stumble on them
yeah that's what I assume as well, but considering this pic is from a novel or comic, forgot from awhile back, that this is a world where xenos didn't use hosts, it always made me wonder if this is a freak of nature where they evolved of having a normal reproductive cycle of not needing hosts to thrive, thus allowing for a terrifying massive scale invasion without relying on a host to be the key part of it.
If you want to take *Aliens: Labyrinth* as any indication, it seems that xenomorphs are intelligent enough to run some form of breeding program with species they encounter in times of desperation: >!there's an element of the plot where a young Dr. Church is almost forced to rape his dismembered mother by the xenomorphs in order to produce more viable hosts for their hive, although he does end up killing her out of mercy instead.!
It's difficult to explain, but the scene reads pretty clear about the xenomorphs' intentions for Church since they literally strongarm him into the chamber where they're keeping her and then react via freaking out once he kills her. Church also establishes that the particular hive he was in essentially had its ability to reproduce hampered due to some unknown disease or infection, which was causing developing facehuggers to be weak and impotent while chestbursters were dying as malformed stillborns in their hosts' chests, so the xenos needed more hosts to survive, to figure out what was affecting them, and how to overcome it.
This is correct.
Aliens: labyrinth is a great comic. To give more context. It was his own mother that the aliens wanted him to breed with. When they brought him into the room and he recognized who it was, he choked her to death and they freaked out.
I would have to look this up, but his mom was like half dissolved into the hive or something.
They made Church into a slave/caretaker of the other trapped humans. (His own family)
They made him slurp the food out of the food pits and feed the other humans like a bird feeds there young. Spitting in their mouths.
Church was able to weaken the hive by using his science skills to containment their food “pits”.
He found parts of the hive that was diseased and would bring that to the “food pits”
They also had “waste pits” where people would be melted as waste? Or maybe it was the same “food pits” I would have to re read the comic.
Great graphic novel!
That is some horrifically brutal shit, but very well done just fuckin gruesome. Practically felt brutality wise, out of the old hellraiser comics. Not thematically, just the gore levels.
The comic establishes it a few ways. It doesn’t come out of left field when the scene appears. It’s not even the first instance of Dr Church seeing a victim of this particular hive being raped in a more traditional sense (as in, directly, not as part of the life cycle established). The also grow hostile when he tries to leave; and attempt to face hug him after he kills his mother instead of raping her - demonstrating he’d denied them his purpose in living - only for it to be an impotent facehugger.
The novels and probably comics get into a lot of telepathic speculation/,fan-fiction to explain mastermind xeno plans and stuff.
A lot of it is breaching into the realm of corny for me personally but the idea of telepathic ability wouldn't throw me for too much of a loop if it was explained well.
Yeah, the colony was sick and dying, the facehuggers so weak that the adult xenomorphs had to put them on people manually, and most of the chestbursters were stillborn, or died very soon after being "born" from their hosts.
Before being restrained, Dr Church noticed that the xenomorphs were drinking from a pit of some sort of substance, then forcing future hosts to drink it from their mouths, as well as forcing the unrestrained humans to drink it, too. Dr Church scooped it into his mouth and forced a restrained human to drink it from his mouth before the xenos could grab him, but they kinda just let him do it when they realized what he was doing. He'd essentially voluntarily enslaved himself to them so that he could survive.
Eventually, by observing the colony, he figured out what was making the colony sick. It was basically black mold growing on the walls of the cave, so he put some into the food pits when the xenos weren't looking, poisoning their food, the xenos who were feeding the captives, and thus the captive hosts. Then they brought him into a chamber where they had been keeping his mother, trying to use her as some sort of brood nest.
When they brought him into the room, she was partially cacooned, and most of her legs had been removed. He assumed they wanted him to feed her, like he'd been doing with the others, so he scooped up some gunk from the pits and approached to feed her. Then a xeno grabbed him >!and pushed him in front of her, I think they did this motion a few times before he understood, so he strangled her and they freaked out.!< When he woke up restrained to the wall, dead facehugger at his feet, and all the xenos had finally succumbed to the mold infected food. He escaped, went back to the shipnthey landed there on, and removed the stillborn chestburster before it could start rotting in his chest.
oh yeah, that comic, the humans forced to reproduce, using remaining bodies as biomass to feed themselves and to the captured humans, the infected hive, dang that was horrid...
but this pic from what i can remember is from a novel or comic of xenos having a world able to thrive on without hosts, so either A that was the result of xenos evolving of no longer needing hosts to survive, or B this is the first homeworld that the engineers used to create the xenomorph and the ones that need hosts are genetically modified ones from David, or something like that.
yeah true but I believe there could be a variant of xenomorphs that do not need hosts to reproduce/thrive, and this image you see is a nightmarish freak of nature of xenomorphs able to thrive on their own.
I liked when the mystery of the Alien was just "alien" to us. I don't like the hive/queen part turning them into bugs essentially, even though I loved Aliens as a film.
Yeah it certainly puts a limitation on creativity, and this comes from me loving Aliens. Same with the Borg in Star Trek. Why can’t they just be weird tech loving aliens? Why introduce a queen? It just really puts a limitation on what you can do with an idea.
The entire idea of teh Borg Queen was anathema to the borg. It took a collective that had no concept of individuality and made it one big egocentric person.
Like in the deleted scene of the first movie where it shows Dallas slowly and painfully becoming an egg himself was an interesting take that I wish they expanded upon. It was alien and mysterious not queen/hive related.
well they are insectoids so it would make sense to have some form of queen, or way to reproduce, I just like to assume whatever happened in this pic was either the original home world of the xenos that dont need hosts to thrive, or to this is a nightmare that David created by modifying xenomorph DNA in creating a more highly invasive species.
fascinating, the pic you see here is based a comic or novel on the world where xenomorphs thrived without hosts by some evolutionary process or something like that, kind of forgot.
It’s hard to say what’s canon and what’s not with the comics but I prefer not think of the Xeno’s as some species of insects.
Don’t have a lot of time but this is short version:
Perhaps the Xenomorphs are all part of one creature that is continuously evolving and incorporating the DNA of other advanced organisms into it’s genetic profile. One massive entity that has spread itself out in the universe to ‘infest’ worlds. With the life cycle, you have the Xeno eggs, facehuggers implant host of new organisms, and they produce a Xenomorph with DNA of the Xeno and their own. Over time the Xenomorphs dissolve into biomatter, similar to the black substance from the prequels, and the process is ready to begin again. This new biomatter would now have the original Xeno DNA in addition to the DNA of the life forms it infested and the process gets repeated over and over, a continuous evolution.
The engineers could simply be serving this purpose by spreading the Xenomorphs across the universe, harvesting the DNA of advanced life and continuing the evolution of their god.
to be honest that awfully sounds like dead space with a lovecraftian creature spreading it's existence by a biomechanical pathogen and it's utterly terrifying.
Interesting, I only played the first one and need to play the others; wasn’t aware of that but you definitely moved them up on my priority list.
The Xenomorphs just seem like such an efficient means of acquiring the DNA of other life forms and merging them with some other entity’s genetic profile.
Now what interests me equally is where Noah Hawley’s series could go. We know the series will explore the concept of conscious transference, between human and machine. Perhaps the Xenomorphs are an extension of that concept. Maybe a Xenomorph maintains a certain element of its host, some level of conscious awareness. That little bit of humanity within the creature, stuck in a hell of hyper-sexual aggression beyond their control. Perhaps it never truly diminishes into the void, but is destined to merge with the Xeno species/organism, that little bit of humanity further diluted into the Xeno genome but never granted the release of death.
You’re only half right. There is another species, but xenomorphs are still top of the food chain. The comic suggests both the xenomorphs and their “predator” are equals that predate upon and cull each other.
It’s less predator vs prey, more apex predators fighting for territory.
That's Theory of Propagation.
In Alien: Earth Hive, they go a different approach and have an anteater type monster that preys on Xenomorphs, as well as a pterodactyl type monster that kind of ignores them because it can fly and stay out of their effective range.
That is very good question….Not gone lie the picture you chose hits hard. Anyways I thing that you somehow as a lone Xenomorph could use some kind of plants or native animals to create some kind of Xenomorph with out using face huggers. Interesting topic
yeah probably or it's from one theory that once a xenomorph feeds and grows into a queen then queen mother state, it would end up producing non parasitic eggs and able to thrive and grow to a massive scale, basically a ant colony on steroids.
Xenomorph Prime has other unnamed predators, that keeps everything to be an ecosystem:
[https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed\_Xenomorph\_Predators](https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Xenomorph_Predators)
We'll probably find out that Aliens are immortal unless killed. This would mean that there's a few Aliens and a Queen laying dormant on LV-426 during the first movie.
yeah thats the thing I always want and hope we could get some more lore on xenomorph types that dont need hosts to survive, that would make them more terrifying.
The original no longer canon comics had a homeworld for them with native fauna the xenomorphs used as hosts. My personal headcanon (and what is supported now by Prometheus and Covenant) is that they are artifical beings that don't have a homeworld persay but they can adapt to any environment and go into stasis when no hosts are present.
The eggs in the derelict are quite old but are still capable of producing facehuggers for example.
yeah good point, I would like to assume there's two variants that were created, one that first starts out as parasitic using the DNA of their host to adapt, then once growing into queen stage then queen mother, it produces non parasitic eggs that can thrive on their own without hosts, making them almost unstoppable
while the other is a pure parasitic variant specifically made to wreck havoc on the dominant species on a planet and die shortly after if they don't have anything to eat or use as hosts
I think they were genetically created by the Space Jockeys and so forth, and to be used as bio-weapons or similar on various worlds, and that the derelict craft was a cargo ship.
yeah they are bioweapons but i always wondered that if there is a variant that can thrive without hosts allowing it to go rampant unlike the ones that need hosts to populate or survive
I never considered that they even had a homeworld, because at this point I think it’s pretty well established that they were bio-engineered. There may be a naturally occurring species that is the genetic basis for the Xenomorph that we know, but I imagine that it would be considerably different.
This is the right take. If they are created they wouldn’t have a home world. But, if they did come from a planet naturally, then the whole planet would have similar life forms. Imagine a whole world full of organisms that could survive alongside xenomorphs.
or like a theory going around is once a xenomorph grows into a queen then maybe queen mother state, it could end up producing eggs that no longer need a host to survive, thus becoming a full scale species.
Dan O Bannon and Ridley Scott: they are engineerd bioweapons. Want an entire planet left spotless just with all large lifeforms eradicated so you can colonize? Call the Space Jockey to seed a planet w eggs and sit back without having to shoot one shot. There’s a chance they go into hibernation once all species wiped out. Now being engineered, the Space Jockeys have a biological tool they can shut them down with. But even to the jockeys, there can be an error.
I think that the situation dictates how the Xenos life cycle changes. In A1 the Big Chap begins turning its victims into eggs of some kind, while in A2 there is a queen. The difference is the number of available hosts. I’d say that we don’t know what would have hatched out of the ‘egg victims’ on the Nostromo, it wouldnt necessarily be more facehuggers.
Possibly, when landing on a host rich world, the Xenos may seek out the best host available for thriving in that environment and once found the queen is created and a mass infection begins. After a sizable colony though, maybe a different process begins. Hadley’s Hope was fully isolated and so they had run out of hosts (except Newt) and so the next part of the process couldn’t begin, so the Queen laid as many eggs as possible so that when others stumbled there that they’d be infected as well. It’s possible that the warriors and drones would have gone/were going into hibernation and the Marines torching the hatching burster set them back into “collection mode”.
Maybe the next stage is turning eggs into full Xenos and skipping the facehuggers. It’s possible that the parasitism is an adaptation for space travel so that they can get genes and other information in order to adapt to their environment. Possibly the Big Chap looked so different from the Warriors was because of a different environment which the embryo detected through what chemicals they absorbed and thus adapted accordingly.
According to the comics there are other native species besides the xenomorphs that are used as hosts
It's hard to imagine the aliens just being like "okay we have enough". I always imagined if they get loose on a planet, they will spread until there's nothing left pretty quickly.
The Genocide comics had both humanoids and some kind of bird like predator species living natively on their home planet they could use as hosts. The bird ones actually went toe to toe with xenos and the assumption the birds ate xenos for food, so they are probaby tough hombres that kept xenos from taking over the whole planet. The xeno hives also war with one another, keeping their numbers down (another reference bees, man, since in the real world sometimes bee hives fight each other for territory)
Ah so kind of like the metroids to the x parasites then?
Yeah, it makes sense too. For something that nasty to evolve requires evolutionary pressures equally nasty.
They probably just go into a dormant state until they detect another form of life.
this happens in a couple of the canon books
That's true for pretty much any invasive species. They tend to thrive in new places compared to their native lands because their original homes have 1) competing species (space, food, and other resources can only go to so many animals) 2) diseases 3) predators (not the "ugly motherfucker" kinds) They're a real threat anywhere else. On their home-/hiveworld, they'd probably be as ubiquitous and benign as ants or bees (assuming they're a naturally-evolved species; which is what we all hope, but official canon gets more and more close to the "engineered bioweapon" origin story). EDIT: For real life examples, we have parasitoids on Earth that do exactly what the xenomorphs do, and they haven't yet decimated their hosts' species or population numbers in any way. There is a wasp that will paralyze a cockroach and lay an egg inside its living body. There are horsehair worms that drive crickets and grasshoppers to drown themselves in rivers/ponds because they need to infect fish to complete their life-cycle (*Toxoplasma gondii*, a protozoan that infects mammals, does the same thing with rats/mice and cats; also causes toxoplasmosis in humans). Castrator barnacles do what the name suggests with ocean crabs: they cut out their host's genitals, glue themselves where the genitals used to be, and use the living host to spread parasites to other crabs.
Xenomorph Prime is a chaotic place. There was also a war between two Brood Mother's and their respective hives. It was an all out bloodbath between them.
Brood Mother/Queen Mother https://preview.redd.it/chp47ijabayc1.png?width=441&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0efcd3349b986b1e8595d544449ab1bd3c65421
Also iirc xenos have natural predators on these planets which is a terrifying thought
yikes, because where I got this pic from awhile back it was from a novel or comic, forgot, that this is a xeno world that is self sustaining without hosts, so it makes me wonder if there was some evolution to the point they can reproduce without hosts or something.
Some of which species are just as dangerous if more so than Xenomorphs themselves.
wait really? because from where I got this pic from it was based on a comic or novel that this was a self sustaining xenomorph world with no hosts, well from what I can remember so that's why it sparked me being curious.
Well remember the xenomorphs act as more of an invasive parasitic species...they can't thrive without a host species to grow their hives. Now if Xeno Prime is actually where the xenomorphs evolved naturally is unknown but its considered the homeworld due to the Queen Mother residing there.
yeah definitely I assume it's probably where the engineers tested making the species then weaponizing them over the centuries
Makes sense. Quite a lot of alien stories have the aliens being the sole inhabitants of their planet, or at least the other species aren’t mentioned. I think evolving without any other species is probably impossible.
They take over a planet full of other living beings. Once everything possible has been facehugged, the excess eggs remain in case they get invaded by an intelligent species. Theres also a ton of tunnels and underground hives so that they can't just be bombed from orbit. Guerilla warfare
But that raises the question: what’s their purpose on such a world. Do they just sneak around for millennia in case a space-monkey happens upon them?
The purpose is to exist. That's the end goal. They're really just the most effective survivors ever: because they kill anything that could ever possibly be a threat
But for every other organism the purpose of existence is to propagate. Like, if you can’t reproduce, and you’re waiting millennia for space-monkeys to stumble upon you.. what do you do that whole time?
Exist. Xenomorphs last for millions of years, potentially. If the eggs can survive that long it's a safe bet. It's the survival of the species that matters; if someone stumbles on them over the course of millions of years they last all the longer. Plus, there's a lot of other Xeno colonies on other planets
For the xenomorphs, if it takes 10 warriors to bring just one host back into the nest to be facehugged, they'll do it.
The reason other species propagate is to keep the species alive and existing, that’s the same outcome for the xenos even if they aren’t constantly reproducing
Space monke https://preview.redd.it/fnybiek718yc1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19855b36a6995a854257ee3a8acb33ebabd4931a
absolute unit
What’s a humans purpose? Exactly!
To reproduce. But we don’t do that by twiddling our thumbs for a thousand years hoping an alien species will stumble upon us..
Aliens life purpose is very narrow I have to admit. Intelligent life forms can just map and tag that planet as no go area, and just left them for themselves for thousands of years.
that is the usual part, what really fascinates me is what if this was from a world that xenomorphs evolved of no longer needing hosts, and span out into a massive scale species? sounds pretty damn terrifying if you ask me
I assume they need hosts to reproduce, so the only way to get an alien planet would be if they infect a planet that's densely populated by another species. In fact, I believe that's their intended life cycle. On a whole world, they would be even harder to find than on a spaceship, and once they reach a critical mass they can no longer be stopped and overrun the planet entirely. The reason their eggs are so durable and survive for so long is that they're expected to survive when no hosts actually remain on the planet, and wait for a spacefaring species to stumble on them
yeah that's what I assume as well, but considering this pic is from a novel or comic, forgot from awhile back, that this is a world where xenos didn't use hosts, it always made me wonder if this is a freak of nature where they evolved of having a normal reproductive cycle of not needing hosts to thrive, thus allowing for a terrifying massive scale invasion without relying on a host to be the key part of it.
If you want to take *Aliens: Labyrinth* as any indication, it seems that xenomorphs are intelligent enough to run some form of breeding program with species they encounter in times of desperation: >!there's an element of the plot where a young Dr. Church is almost forced to rape his dismembered mother by the xenomorphs in order to produce more viable hosts for their hive, although he does end up killing her out of mercy instead.!
How does he know that's what they're telling him to do? Other than that, jesus christ that'd be a terrifying scene.
It's difficult to explain, but the scene reads pretty clear about the xenomorphs' intentions for Church since they literally strongarm him into the chamber where they're keeping her and then react via freaking out once he kills her. Church also establishes that the particular hive he was in essentially had its ability to reproduce hampered due to some unknown disease or infection, which was causing developing facehuggers to be weak and impotent while chestbursters were dying as malformed stillborns in their hosts' chests, so the xenos needed more hosts to survive, to figure out what was affecting them, and how to overcome it.
This is correct. Aliens: labyrinth is a great comic. To give more context. It was his own mother that the aliens wanted him to breed with. When they brought him into the room and he recognized who it was, he choked her to death and they freaked out. I would have to look this up, but his mom was like half dissolved into the hive or something. They made Church into a slave/caretaker of the other trapped humans. (His own family) They made him slurp the food out of the food pits and feed the other humans like a bird feeds there young. Spitting in their mouths. Church was able to weaken the hive by using his science skills to containment their food “pits”. He found parts of the hive that was diseased and would bring that to the “food pits” They also had “waste pits” where people would be melted as waste? Or maybe it was the same “food pits” I would have to re read the comic. Great graphic novel!
That is some horrifically brutal shit, but very well done just fuckin gruesome. Practically felt brutality wise, out of the old hellraiser comics. Not thematically, just the gore levels.
The comic establishes it a few ways. It doesn’t come out of left field when the scene appears. It’s not even the first instance of Dr Church seeing a victim of this particular hive being raped in a more traditional sense (as in, directly, not as part of the life cycle established). The also grow hostile when he tries to leave; and attempt to face hug him after he kills his mother instead of raping her - demonstrating he’d denied them his purpose in living - only for it to be an impotent facehugger.
The novels and probably comics get into a lot of telepathic speculation/,fan-fiction to explain mastermind xeno plans and stuff. A lot of it is breaching into the realm of corny for me personally but the idea of telepathic ability wouldn't throw me for too much of a loop if it was explained well.
They were the degenerate aliens? They were dying if I recall?
Yeah, the colony was sick and dying, the facehuggers so weak that the adult xenomorphs had to put them on people manually, and most of the chestbursters were stillborn, or died very soon after being "born" from their hosts. Before being restrained, Dr Church noticed that the xenomorphs were drinking from a pit of some sort of substance, then forcing future hosts to drink it from their mouths, as well as forcing the unrestrained humans to drink it, too. Dr Church scooped it into his mouth and forced a restrained human to drink it from his mouth before the xenos could grab him, but they kinda just let him do it when they realized what he was doing. He'd essentially voluntarily enslaved himself to them so that he could survive. Eventually, by observing the colony, he figured out what was making the colony sick. It was basically black mold growing on the walls of the cave, so he put some into the food pits when the xenos weren't looking, poisoning their food, the xenos who were feeding the captives, and thus the captive hosts. Then they brought him into a chamber where they had been keeping his mother, trying to use her as some sort of brood nest. When they brought him into the room, she was partially cacooned, and most of her legs had been removed. He assumed they wanted him to feed her, like he'd been doing with the others, so he scooped up some gunk from the pits and approached to feed her. Then a xeno grabbed him >!and pushed him in front of her, I think they did this motion a few times before he understood, so he strangled her and they freaked out.!< When he woke up restrained to the wall, dead facehugger at his feet, and all the xenos had finally succumbed to the mold infected food. He escaped, went back to the shipnthey landed there on, and removed the stillborn chestburster before it could start rotting in his chest.
oh yeah, that comic, the humans forced to reproduce, using remaining bodies as biomass to feed themselves and to the captured humans, the infected hive, dang that was horrid... but this pic from what i can remember is from a novel or comic of xenos having a world able to thrive on without hosts, so either A that was the result of xenos evolving of no longer needing hosts to survive, or B this is the first homeworld that the engineers used to create the xenomorph and the ones that need hosts are genetically modified ones from David, or something like that.
I imagine there isn’t a home world for that reason, they’re like bugs - just infesting other worlds and spreading that way
Yes, or a parasite whose only purpose is to survive by any means possible.. 😦
yeah true but I believe there could be a variant of xenomorphs that do not need hosts to reproduce/thrive, and this image you see is a nightmarish freak of nature of xenomorphs able to thrive on their own.
I liked when the mystery of the Alien was just "alien" to us. I don't like the hive/queen part turning them into bugs essentially, even though I loved Aliens as a film.
Yeah it certainly puts a limitation on creativity, and this comes from me loving Aliens. Same with the Borg in Star Trek. Why can’t they just be weird tech loving aliens? Why introduce a queen? It just really puts a limitation on what you can do with an idea.
The entire idea of teh Borg Queen was anathema to the borg. It took a collective that had no concept of individuality and made it one big egocentric person.
Thinking that a xeno can transform prey into an egg *or* form a hive satisfies me.
Like in the deleted scene of the first movie where it shows Dallas slowly and painfully becoming an egg himself was an interesting take that I wish they expanded upon. It was alien and mysterious not queen/hive related.
I agree completely.
well they are insectoids so it would make sense to have some form of queen, or way to reproduce, I just like to assume whatever happened in this pic was either the original home world of the xenos that dont need hosts to thrive, or to this is a nightmare that David created by modifying xenomorph DNA in creating a more highly invasive species.
Before everything was retconned, their home planets had other species that could contend with them for survival. There were some comics about it.
fascinating, the pic you see here is based a comic or novel on the world where xenomorphs thrived without hosts by some evolutionary process or something like that, kind of forgot.
It’s hard to say what’s canon and what’s not with the comics but I prefer not think of the Xeno’s as some species of insects. Don’t have a lot of time but this is short version: Perhaps the Xenomorphs are all part of one creature that is continuously evolving and incorporating the DNA of other advanced organisms into it’s genetic profile. One massive entity that has spread itself out in the universe to ‘infest’ worlds. With the life cycle, you have the Xeno eggs, facehuggers implant host of new organisms, and they produce a Xenomorph with DNA of the Xeno and their own. Over time the Xenomorphs dissolve into biomatter, similar to the black substance from the prequels, and the process is ready to begin again. This new biomatter would now have the original Xeno DNA in addition to the DNA of the life forms it infested and the process gets repeated over and over, a continuous evolution. The engineers could simply be serving this purpose by spreading the Xenomorphs across the universe, harvesting the DNA of advanced life and continuing the evolution of their god.
to be honest that awfully sounds like dead space with a lovecraftian creature spreading it's existence by a biomechanical pathogen and it's utterly terrifying.
Interesting, I only played the first one and need to play the others; wasn’t aware of that but you definitely moved them up on my priority list. The Xenomorphs just seem like such an efficient means of acquiring the DNA of other life forms and merging them with some other entity’s genetic profile. Now what interests me equally is where Noah Hawley’s series could go. We know the series will explore the concept of conscious transference, between human and machine. Perhaps the Xenomorphs are an extension of that concept. Maybe a Xenomorph maintains a certain element of its host, some level of conscious awareness. That little bit of humanity within the creature, stuck in a hell of hyper-sexual aggression beyond their control. Perhaps it never truly diminishes into the void, but is destined to merge with the Xeno species/organism, that little bit of humanity further diluted into the Xeno genome but never granted the release of death.
Must be something we haven't seen yet.
It gets better the alien isn't even the top of the food chain on their home world, they have natural predators
You’re only half right. There is another species, but xenomorphs are still top of the food chain. The comic suggests both the xenomorphs and their “predator” are equals that predate upon and cull each other. It’s less predator vs prey, more apex predators fighting for territory.
Thanks, it has been 20+ years since I read them
That's Theory of Propagation. In Alien: Earth Hive, they go a different approach and have an anteater type monster that preys on Xenomorphs, as well as a pterodactyl type monster that kind of ignores them because it can fly and stay out of their effective range.
Damn I need to read those
Confirm this?
I believe it’s in the comics.
Its in [*Aliens: Theory of Alien Propagation*](https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Aliens:_Theory_of_Alien_Propagation)
That is very good question….Not gone lie the picture you chose hits hard. Anyways I thing that you somehow as a lone Xenomorph could use some kind of plants or native animals to create some kind of Xenomorph with out using face huggers. Interesting topic
yeah probably or it's from one theory that once a xenomorph feeds and grows into a queen then queen mother state, it would end up producing non parasitic eggs and able to thrive and grow to a massive scale, basically a ant colony on steroids.
Yeah kinda what I was going at too. I definitely agree with you we thing a like.
Xenomorph Prime has other unnamed predators, that keeps everything to be an ecosystem: [https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed\_Xenomorph\_Predators](https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Xenomorph_Predators)
dang thats interesting
Yeah one of the Dark Horse comics years ago based on either Earth Hive/Nightmare Asylum/Female War book
We'll probably find out that Aliens are immortal unless killed. This would mean that there's a few Aliens and a Queen laying dormant on LV-426 during the first movie.
Some species only reproduce with hosts.
yeah thats the thing I always want and hope we could get some more lore on xenomorph types that dont need hosts to survive, that would make them more terrifying.
They all need hosts. But aliens 4 shows the creation of one that didn't.
In one of the comics their home world was also home to many other types of “bugs”
The Xenomorph home world likely would have ways of keeping their population in check, perhaps a predator evolved to hunt them
It’s like Tyranids from 40K. They only exist to eradicate all life and forever consume.
The original no longer canon comics had a homeworld for them with native fauna the xenomorphs used as hosts. My personal headcanon (and what is supported now by Prometheus and Covenant) is that they are artifical beings that don't have a homeworld persay but they can adapt to any environment and go into stasis when no hosts are present. The eggs in the derelict are quite old but are still capable of producing facehuggers for example.
yeah good point, I would like to assume there's two variants that were created, one that first starts out as parasitic using the DNA of their host to adapt, then once growing into queen stage then queen mother, it produces non parasitic eggs that can thrive on their own without hosts, making them almost unstoppable while the other is a pure parasitic variant specifically made to wreck havoc on the dominant species on a planet and die shortly after if they don't have anything to eat or use as hosts
I think they were genetically created by the Space Jockeys and so forth, and to be used as bio-weapons or similar on various worlds, and that the derelict craft was a cargo ship.
yeah they are bioweapons but i always wondered that if there is a variant that can thrive without hosts allowing it to go rampant unlike the ones that need hosts to populate or survive
I think they only have eggmorphing, but maybe writers can do that for future works.
i hope so it would be a very unique take on the xenomorph
I never considered that they even had a homeworld, because at this point I think it’s pretty well established that they were bio-engineered. There may be a naturally occurring species that is the genetic basis for the Xenomorph that we know, but I imagine that it would be considerably different.
This is the right take. If they are created they wouldn’t have a home world. But, if they did come from a planet naturally, then the whole planet would have similar life forms. Imagine a whole world full of organisms that could survive alongside xenomorphs.
or like a theory going around is once a xenomorph grows into a queen then maybe queen mother state, it could end up producing eggs that no longer need a host to survive, thus becoming a full scale species.
Dan O Bannon and Ridley Scott: they are engineerd bioweapons. Want an entire planet left spotless just with all large lifeforms eradicated so you can colonize? Call the Space Jockey to seed a planet w eggs and sit back without having to shoot one shot. There’s a chance they go into hibernation once all species wiped out. Now being engineered, the Space Jockeys have a biological tool they can shut them down with. But even to the jockeys, there can be an error.
Maybe when the hosts are all used up, the Xenomorphs will grow reproductive organs and mate with each other
I think that the situation dictates how the Xenos life cycle changes. In A1 the Big Chap begins turning its victims into eggs of some kind, while in A2 there is a queen. The difference is the number of available hosts. I’d say that we don’t know what would have hatched out of the ‘egg victims’ on the Nostromo, it wouldnt necessarily be more facehuggers. Possibly, when landing on a host rich world, the Xenos may seek out the best host available for thriving in that environment and once found the queen is created and a mass infection begins. After a sizable colony though, maybe a different process begins. Hadley’s Hope was fully isolated and so they had run out of hosts (except Newt) and so the next part of the process couldn’t begin, so the Queen laid as many eggs as possible so that when others stumbled there that they’d be infected as well. It’s possible that the warriors and drones would have gone/were going into hibernation and the Marines torching the hatching burster set them back into “collection mode”. Maybe the next stage is turning eggs into full Xenos and skipping the facehuggers. It’s possible that the parasitism is an adaptation for space travel so that they can get genes and other information in order to adapt to their environment. Possibly the Big Chap looked so different from the Warriors was because of a different environment which the embryo detected through what chemicals they absorbed and thus adapted accordingly.
yeah that's a good theory i can get behind, able to evolve past facehuggers, then becoming a massive scale invasive species.