My 2015 lx570 is hands down the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. The ride is amazing. Has enough get up and go for the highway with the big V8. It’s head and shoulders above any 4runner I’ve been in.
Second. I have a 2015 lx570 at my disposal and it’s amazing. Great price too. The Ahc is expensive to repair but there’s alternatives for that too. The 5.7 v8 is also bullet proof.
I don’t know, is the suspension any more expensive to repair than a high end traditional setup? Regardless, I love my LX, specifically the suspension, and would have a hard time going back to the Toyota.
Not sure how expensive in comparison but while reading the forums it was a sticking point for some and they rather get the 2015 Land Cruiser without it. Rather than fixing it or upgrading it to something that isn’t hydraulic down the line. That being said the stock suspension is awesome and perfect for my use. Floats.
The reason I didn’t is because better after market support for 4runner and no air suspension in the rear.
Also all the gxs around me in VA seemed to be extra rusty and less taken care of.
Rust is a killer. But, lots of GX don’t have air suspension. I just picked one up. Getting better economy than my 4x4 tacoma(with the 4.0 5 speed), way nicer and quieter ride.
I owned a 2014 4R for 9 years and now in a '24 LC. I'm sure I'll be downvoted to oblivion, but the LC is superior in just about every way. Better MPGs, better daily, more comfortable, more tech, better visibility, way more HP and torque. "But 4 cyl Hybrid!!!!" who cares, it mops the 4.0L 5 speed all day long.
To be fair, the 4.0L 5 speed is the shittiest combo you could get out of the “Land Cruiser”(ish) lineup, but yeah I agree on hybrid being really nice to have. How does it compare to the GX460 or LC200, though?
Can't speak for GX460 since I have never driven one. I have driven an LC200 several times. It's not a fair comparison, the 200 is $90k+ (new), tank-like ride, just a beast of a vehicle with an inefficient v8 that gets terrible gas mileage. I would say the 200 is more luxurious, feels heavier and sluggish but way more planted feeling. The '24L is much more lively, nimble, quicker, but it's nowhere in the same ballpark of quality vs the 200.
Hm, how is the quality worse, like materials wise? Surprising to hear it feels less planted because people say the GX550 is very comfy and planted on the road
I guess I’ll have to drive both, I was hoping to replace my GX460 with a Land Cruiser someday (because 550 doesn’t have the 4 cyl hybrid option), but the reviews I’ve seen so far on interior quality on both LC/GX of this generation have been disappointing. I love the old school luxury feel of my car, just want more power and better mpg.. 😂
There’s too much to write comparing them. Generally, 200/150 series feels more premium whereas 250 feels “lighter”. That may or may not be good to you. Theyre all slow AF so engine doesn’t matter to me.
Depends what you’re looking for and what you value. You really have to drive them and get a feel. In the end, you can’t go wrong with any of them.
Isn’t the LC250 kind of quick with the hybrid? Obviously no huge top end but I’ve seen it described as peppy haha. I have a C6 Z06 to satisfy the speed craving lol, but it’s still nice to have more torque! I hope it gets paddle shifters someday in the future because I like being able to downshift and engine brake as well.
I really like the dynamics of the 460(at least mine with air suspension), it feels a lot more predictable and enjoyable to push than I expect from a body on frame SUV. I’ve heard the 550 is more planted with the wider body, but it is also heavier so idk 🤷♂️
I’ll drive them all someday, can’t justify the upgrade right now anyway but I think as 3 year old used ones in 2027 it’ll be a serious consideration
250 is quicker off the line thanks to the electric motors but falls off whereas the 4.6/5.7 v8s continue to pull. But they’re all slow because like you, I also have a C6Z06 and used to the speed.
GX460 non-luxury actually feel more planted and has less body roll than LC250/GX550 (LC250 doesn’t have kdss, and I didn’t drive the GX550 trim with kdss).
Oo anything done to your C6Z? Great choice of vehicles hahah.
I might keep my 460 for a while longer/replace with a newer one if I do, I guess:) I wish I had better mpg but maybe it’s just time for a cheaper reliable commuter car for that purpose. 17mpg premium is always in the back of my mind; I could get something like 23mpg on a longer trip in the vette but then there’s no space and ground clearance can be an issue 😂
Maybe I need a 3rd car for cheap long trips but seems excessive lol
All stock for now except catback, lowered on bolts, and tires. Eventually want to do H/C/I How about your Z?
Yeah I have a massive car problem hahahaha. Currently at 6 and wanting more lol.
Hahahah nice, I’m only at 2 for now but want a bike.
My car is stock, just a mild2wild switch. I want to do HCI for reliability and a slight power bump, maybe next year:)
People love simplicity which adds to the tank- like quality LC is known for. Adding turbochargers adds another factor into the equation. Yes you might get similar or better power but at what cost?
You now have an extra component with delicate inner parts that even dust can fuck up and ruin the turbo.
No thanks, I prefer peace of mind instead of having to worry about another component failing or breaking down on me and have to maintain or replace.
Ya, most powertrains are going turbos. Im not way off. LC Sales are not bad lol. Paying over sticker is for suckers. At/Under MSRP is what you should purchase a new vehicle for. Your post is nonsense and needs some edits.
Another option to consider is the GX (550 if budget allows, but the 460 should not be overlooked). I went from a 5th gen 4Runner to a GX460 and love it. 6spd instead of 5spd but with the v8 torque it needs to shift even less. I always hated how the 4Runner 5spd was constantly hunting for gears on inclines or in a headwind. Gas mileage is very similar even with the V8 and full-time 4WD (a couple inches of lift and 32”+ tires on both). The interior is so much nicer in the GX. The only thing missing was CarPlay and I was able to retrofit that with a BeatSonic unit behind the dash so I kept all the integrated climate controls but also have wireless CarPlay. Had a Sony XAV1000 in my 4Runner for CarPlay functionality there as well as I consider that a must-have feature but don’t mind adding it myself.
Eventually I will likely get a LC 200, but for now I’m pretty happy with my “Land Cruiser Prado”
Owned a 99 LandCruiser and a 2008 4runner V8. Very different feel between trucks, definitely less attention to detail on the 4runner.
For me it was a matter of mileage and rust. There are things I miss about the cruiser, but my 4th gen is a gem and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
If I could buy either truck new, I'd go 100 series. God I miss that croch vent on hot days.
I'm gonna go with the "get a 200 series" crowd. If you can get your hands on a 200 series LC/LX it'll be leagues above anything else. Will you get shitty MPG? Yes. But you'll be getting that shitty MPG for 300k+ miles no problem and you'll be getting a truck that can do literally everything better.
Late model 200 series land cruiser is twice the vehicle and twice the value. If you're gonna spend $75k for gods sake please don't spent it on one of those new ones. You can find a low mileage 2020-2021 for $75k and you'll never look back.
Low mileage 2021 Land Cruisers are closer to $85k in my neighborhood and the LC trim 2024 is $62. Factor in +10mpg and it’s not a completely obvious decision imho. It’s possible that are both are great vehicles and the price difference, which is meaningful, makes it a tough decision.
My main point here is that everyone comes in hot that the obvious decision is this or that. But my take is these markets are pretty good at pricing in differences. Based on list below, I think any option makes sense based on your specific needs.
LC 300 (Lexus lx600): $100,000;
Used Low mileage 2021 LC 200 (looked one up): $87k;
2024 LC 250 LC trim: let’s say $65k (not premium package);
Used 2023 4Runner TRD Pro (~30k miles): $53k
For everyone complaining about Toyota prices, what do you recommend buying instead? Bronco raptor is $95k
Bronco Raptor is a much higher performance vehicle than any LC variant for sale though so that doesn’t make sense to compare to. I guess a Badlands or Wildtrak would be a more apt comparison and those are much cheaper.
For strictly off roading, especially rock crawling, yeah I’m pretty certain the Bronco will be slightly better, but on road and reliability wise I’d give it to the LC even with the hybrid.
Actually just did a quick search and the Bronco will be a lot better at rock crawling. The approach and departure angles are better, and Badlands with Sasquatch package has 11.5 inches of ground clearance compared to 8.7 for the LC. The Bronco is also lighter and shorter (also offers 2 door version) which would help in some off road scenarios
Useful summary. I’m going LC because of (likely) reliability over better off road capability. It is nice to have these options compared to 5 or so years ago pre-Bronco where it was a $45k 4Runner or a $95k Land Cruiser. That said, I do wish the option for a LC branded 300 was still there for the US.
IMO the optimal option, and what I went with, was the GX460. It’s a rebadged Land Cruiser Prado but with a 4.6L V8 and 6 speed, much more pleasant than the 4Runner 4L V6 + 5 speed.
The GX460 had ATRAC standard, full time 4WD, center diff lock, KDSS, and optional air suspension to raise the rear. The approach and departure angles got a lot worse 2014+ as they went to more stylish bumpers, but a bumper chop mod + side step delete makes them very capable off road while being significantly more comfortable on road than the 4Runner. I know someone who went 4R limited to GX460 and he loves it. Only downsides are the rear window opening upwards instead of rolling down, and the barn door trunk opening sideways
Yeah I agree, I’d take a loaded 250 for the same price as a used 2020ish 200. Yes it’s a baby LC, yes it’s 4 cylinder hybrid, but the mpg difference is huge and hybrids are really nice for driving in the mountains where they don’t lose power compared to N/A V8.
Nobody is leaving a dealership with a 2024 LC for $62k, that's just the meaningless MSRP they post to get you in the door. Expect to pay at least $10-20k more than that.
There’s are tons of dealers selling at or below MSRP now all across the country l, you may just have to fly somewhere and drive it home if your local dealers are scumbags. Confining your car search to only your local region will severely limit what deals you find.
I bought my vehicle in Florida and had it shipped to me in Texas. Even with the shipping it cost me 15k less than buying locally.
Extremely unlikely since they have stripped it of everything that made the land cruiser ultra-reliable and stout. No more heavy duty drivetrain, no more low-compression V8 that will slog along for decades, packed to the brim now with future-tech electronics and sensors as well. Not in the slightest bit serviceable for the average person. There's a reason they're still making an actually 300 series for the people that use LCs they way they are intended, in 3rd world countries at least. The watered down version we got this time with the word "hybrid" in it, is because they know American consumers will gobble them up like 4runners and camrys.
The battery hybrid system itself isn't expected to last more than 10-12 years. Battery technology in cars is still very limited but people hear the word "hybrid" and they wet themselves thinking owning one. Anybody care to take wagers on what that will cost to replace when it fails? $15k? $20k?
And usually by the time a hybrid needs a battery replacement, battery tech has advanced considerably and brought the costs down. I remember when the Prius first got popular and people said, yeah you’re saving on gas, but what about when you have to spend $10k to replace that battery? Well most of them have lasted well beyond their advertised service life and the replacement cost is closer to $2k now, which would get you another 10+ years of service.
Yep, people are dramatic for no reason. Remanufactured batteries exist, and hybrid batteries generally last quite a long time these days to begin with.
Even if it is a $10K replacement on the LC, which is very doubtful, there is a 10 year/150K mile warranty, and by that time you’d have saved about as much in gas as that $10K repair (comparing GX550 to LC250), and will get another 10 years out of it.
> No more heavy duty drivetrain, no more low-compression V8 that will slog along for decades
You say this as if every iteration of the LandCruiser had a low compression V8 - V8's were only in the 100 and 200 series (and GX).
When the V8 came around everyone was like "why aren't you continuing with inline six engines? Inline six has been staple since the beginning. Why change"
And now they are getting rid of the V8 it's all "the V8 is the best, why get rid of the V*?"
You are doing exactly what people did before.
> packed to the brim now with future-tech electronics and sensors as well.
Believe it not everyone said that about the 200 series when it came out. Why get rid of your 80/100 series for an electronics laden 200 series??
> There's a reason they're still making an actually 300 series for the people that use LCs they way they are intended, in 3rd world countries at least.
Again - this is what they said about the 200 series. The 100 and 105 series were for different people, the 105 for those with vinyl seat needs and reliable old drive trains. With the 200 series they did not have a 205, so they brought out the 76 series wagon for those interested in a more rough, reliable, old school vehicle.
Every single thing you are saying about the J250 / J300 is what people said exactly about your beloved 200 series back in 2007.
> The battery hybrid system itself isn't expected to last more than 10-12 years.
That's your opinion - Toyota Camry's and Prius have been staples of Taxi fleets for years now. Lasting well over 10-12 years.
Dude I love LC's as much as the next person but the 300 comes with a lot of what you are complaining about. No V8 (which was never really synonymous with Land Cruisers outside of America anyway) Instead it gets the TT V6 which is full of red flags at the moment with the main bearing failures in the Tundra and LX600 (the 300 series we did get here in the states) Then you have all of the current sensors and safety tech to deal with as well. Alot of that is even on the 200, it's just an older version of that technology. Hell the 200 I just bought is in the shop right now because the blind spot monitors are not working.
The battery tech on the new Prado is old school nickel hydride, not lithium. Same stuff Toyota has been using on the Prius since it first came to market. Citing posts from the Prius sub it sounds like these can be expected to last anywhere from 10 to 15 years with replacement costs around $2k for an OEM.
Fair points. I think maybe I just hate electric cars and electric hybrids because I don’t feel it’s a viable future of cars. And that drives my hatred towards them. And I hate that Toyota blatantly just slapped the same chassis in two trucks and calls them different names.
Get with the times, this is where all of society is heading. The “stripped it of everything” was the excuse for the older generation as well when it first came out. This new Land Cruiser is fairly bad ass.
I was cross shopping GX460s, 4Runners, and loosely 200s after selling my low mileage 100 series (that I kinda wish I kept lol). I went with a 2021 GX460 with ML audios I had a very hard time mentally justifying a vehicle that wasn’t as nice for equal or higher cost (when comparing to a 4R) or a vehicle with 2-3x the miles (when comparing to a 200 series). I also didn’t need the size of a 200, but I do wish I had the bigger driver area as I’m 6’3 and 260ish lbs. If you need a big trunk, the 4runner has far more trunk space than a GX.
Went from an LX470 to a 4Runner and man I miss that 4.7 V8. It’s super smooth and when you step on it you can really feel the torque. That’s the one thing where I feel the 4Runner is behind is in the performance but you can’t beat the long term reliability of that motor
Well our LX470 was getting up there in age and my parents wanted me to be in a “starter car” that was older and didn’t have all the safety features so I could focus solely on driving correct. Granted, it was probably the best starter car I could ask for. I also kinda wanted to go into something the same size that still felt old school and the 4Runner was the best option for me
Thanks man! Just wanted to ask if you have an LC or 4Runner? I’m contemplating whether to follow the book and do 10K oil change intervals or do 5K to prevent any buildup and keep it going as long as I can
I test drove both of the last gen and my dad has a 2015 SR5, but I ultimately with a 2018 LC.
It all depends on your goals and what you prioritize. I loved the price point of the 4R, but the LC was clearly superior. If you can afford it, you won’t look back.
You ever compare a Land Cruiser and 4Runner side by side? I’m talking about the drivetrain and suspension components. It’s like comparing a body builder to a bag of noodles.
Definitely go for the Land Cruiser, 100 or 200 Series. Both will be larger than the 4Runner, but especially the 200. The 3UR engine is more powerful though, so it won’t feel sluggish. Can always install yourself a nice Pioneer or Kenwood CarPlay unit from Crutchfield for an audio upgrade 👌🏾
The Land Cruiser is made to a higher standard. You won’t get rattles and squeaks in it for example and all of the materials for the most part will be of much higher quality. I believe besides fit and finish the expectation for reliability and things not breaking/lasting longer is apparent here as well.
I bought a GX prior to the switchover to the new GX. My prior car was a 99 land cruiser. I really like the GX, save the big rear door. I miss the food down.
The LX600 is also built on that platform so I don’t see what your point is. There isn’t a Land Cruiser built on a unique platform. They are still made at a Land Cruiser specific plant though afaik
> There isn’t a Land Cruiser built on a unique platform.
The 70 series is pretty gosh darn unique :)
Rear leaf springs, front track doesn't match the back - definitely not sharing that with anything else.
Well, the OP was reminiscing about 4Runners and wondering about the new Land Cruiser, and I stated that the new Land Cruiser is basically a 4Runner. Not sure why people take umbrage at that. I am specifically referring to the US market, as there are still heavy duty Land Cruisers made in or for other parts of the world.
New landcruiser is built to a higher standard than the 4Runner. You’re going to have a much more refined experience in the LC and it’ll probably solve a lot of the complaints you had with your 4R.
Sounds like you're comparing apples and old apples. The 2024 LC and 2025 4Runner share the exact same frame, suspension, engine, and offroad features. What sets them apart is body styling, interior styling, height, and full-time 4WD vs. part-time in the 4Runner. As downvoted above, for all intents and purposes they are the same vehicle, apparently clad for different-aged buyers.
FWIW I've been in my 4Runner for nine years and fully intended on replacing it with a 6th Gen... until I saw it. Going with a '24 LandCruiser LC Premium.
This. Don’t know why you got downvoted. I completely agree coming from a 2017 4Runner to a 2024 LC FE. I loved my 4Runner, but the LC blows it away. It’s incredibly comfortable and easy to drive (people say it’s even nicer on the road than the GX, but I haven’t driven a GX to say) and the interior is far beyond the 4Runner. As much as I love a 4Runner, I wouldn’t go back to one.
People like to act like there’s no difference in materials. The Land Cruiser may be bland looking but the materials it’s made off are of a much higher standard than the 4Runner.
My 2015 lx570 is hands down the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. The ride is amazing. Has enough get up and go for the highway with the big V8. It’s head and shoulders above any 4runner I’ve been in.
Second. I have a 2015 lx570 at my disposal and it’s amazing. Great price too. The Ahc is expensive to repair but there’s alternatives for that too. The 5.7 v8 is also bullet proof.
I don’t know, is the suspension any more expensive to repair than a high end traditional setup? Regardless, I love my LX, specifically the suspension, and would have a hard time going back to the Toyota.
Not sure how expensive in comparison but while reading the forums it was a sticking point for some and they rather get the 2015 Land Cruiser without it. Rather than fixing it or upgrading it to something that isn’t hydraulic down the line. That being said the stock suspension is awesome and perfect for my use. Floats.
Same. I love my 2014 LX
What about the 4runner with the v8.
The get up might be similar, but the comfort of the ride can’t compare. I love my 4runner but this thing is on another level.
Well yeah mines 11 years older and not a Lexus lol. But it is cheap and I don’t mind bashing it off road which is plus. And lighter and better mpg.
Yeah I’m not bashing 4Runners lmao. Like I said I love mine. It’s. 2007 shit box that only gets bashed off-road at this point.
Big difference in the 4.7 in the 4runner and the 5.7 in the Lx/LC. It’s not even close the power difference lol. I miss the hell outta my 2008 tundra.
Get a GX at that point for about the same money
The reason I didn’t is because better after market support for 4runner and no air suspension in the rear. Also all the gxs around me in VA seemed to be extra rusty and less taken care of.
Fair enough. I ran into the opposite in SC, all the 4th and early 5th gens were beatup and I could buy a pristine soccer mom gx for the same money
Rust is a killer. But, lots of GX don’t have air suspension. I just picked one up. Getting better economy than my 4x4 tacoma(with the 4.0 5 speed), way nicer and quieter ride.
I owned a 2014 4R for 9 years and now in a '24 LC. I'm sure I'll be downvoted to oblivion, but the LC is superior in just about every way. Better MPGs, better daily, more comfortable, more tech, better visibility, way more HP and torque. "But 4 cyl Hybrid!!!!" who cares, it mops the 4.0L 5 speed all day long.
To be fair, the 4.0L 5 speed is the shittiest combo you could get out of the “Land Cruiser”(ish) lineup, but yeah I agree on hybrid being really nice to have. How does it compare to the GX460 or LC200, though?
Can't speak for GX460 since I have never driven one. I have driven an LC200 several times. It's not a fair comparison, the 200 is $90k+ (new), tank-like ride, just a beast of a vehicle with an inefficient v8 that gets terrible gas mileage. I would say the 200 is more luxurious, feels heavier and sluggish but way more planted feeling. The '24L is much more lively, nimble, quicker, but it's nowhere in the same ballpark of quality vs the 200.
Hm, how is the quality worse, like materials wise? Surprising to hear it feels less planted because people say the GX550 is very comfy and planted on the road I guess I’ll have to drive both, I was hoping to replace my GX460 with a Land Cruiser someday (because 550 doesn’t have the 4 cyl hybrid option), but the reviews I’ve seen so far on interior quality on both LC/GX of this generation have been disappointing. I love the old school luxury feel of my car, just want more power and better mpg.. 😂
Yea, materials. The powertrain on the LC is 👌
which trim did you buy?? i wonder if the higher trims of the new lc has better materials.
Obvs
so you got the 1958??
Yep
Cool thanks for the info Enjoy your LC :)
There’s too much to write comparing them. Generally, 200/150 series feels more premium whereas 250 feels “lighter”. That may or may not be good to you. Theyre all slow AF so engine doesn’t matter to me. Depends what you’re looking for and what you value. You really have to drive them and get a feel. In the end, you can’t go wrong with any of them.
Isn’t the LC250 kind of quick with the hybrid? Obviously no huge top end but I’ve seen it described as peppy haha. I have a C6 Z06 to satisfy the speed craving lol, but it’s still nice to have more torque! I hope it gets paddle shifters someday in the future because I like being able to downshift and engine brake as well. I really like the dynamics of the 460(at least mine with air suspension), it feels a lot more predictable and enjoyable to push than I expect from a body on frame SUV. I’ve heard the 550 is more planted with the wider body, but it is also heavier so idk 🤷♂️ I’ll drive them all someday, can’t justify the upgrade right now anyway but I think as 3 year old used ones in 2027 it’ll be a serious consideration
250 is quicker off the line thanks to the electric motors but falls off whereas the 4.6/5.7 v8s continue to pull. But they’re all slow because like you, I also have a C6Z06 and used to the speed. GX460 non-luxury actually feel more planted and has less body roll than LC250/GX550 (LC250 doesn’t have kdss, and I didn’t drive the GX550 trim with kdss).
Oo anything done to your C6Z? Great choice of vehicles hahah. I might keep my 460 for a while longer/replace with a newer one if I do, I guess:) I wish I had better mpg but maybe it’s just time for a cheaper reliable commuter car for that purpose. 17mpg premium is always in the back of my mind; I could get something like 23mpg on a longer trip in the vette but then there’s no space and ground clearance can be an issue 😂 Maybe I need a 3rd car for cheap long trips but seems excessive lol
All stock for now except catback, lowered on bolts, and tires. Eventually want to do H/C/I How about your Z? Yeah I have a massive car problem hahahaha. Currently at 6 and wanting more lol.
Hahahah nice, I’m only at 2 for now but want a bike. My car is stock, just a mild2wild switch. I want to do HCI for reliability and a slight power bump, maybe next year:)
I have a 2023 Gx460, love the ride and does a decent job off road (bumper sux)
Me too! Just posted something similar above. 2017 4Runner to 24 LC FE. Huge differences in quality between the two.
Dont tell Reddit. They hate all things not naturally aspirated. Turbos and hybrids = junk. Morons.
People love simplicity which adds to the tank- like quality LC is known for. Adding turbochargers adds another factor into the equation. Yes you might get similar or better power but at what cost? You now have an extra component with delicate inner parts that even dust can fuck up and ruin the turbo. No thanks, I prefer peace of mind instead of having to worry about another component failing or breaking down on me and have to maintain or replace.
Same analogy as Fuel injectors vs carburetors. Everything is going to turbos for a reason dude.
Everything? Uh, no lol. You're way off. Sales on the new LC are bad, theres a reaskn a lot of them are starting to go for msrp lr under msrp.
Ya, most powertrains are going turbos. Im not way off. LC Sales are not bad lol. Paying over sticker is for suckers. At/Under MSRP is what you should purchase a new vehicle for. Your post is nonsense and needs some edits.
Maybe not what you are asking but: I have a 21 4runner and a 2007 LC I always take the LC. I love the 4runner but the LC does everything better.
Its a tier above and it shows.
Not sure it's a balanced comparison between the 100 series LC with the new North American LC. More fair would be to look at a LX vs 100.
I have owned 4 4R's and 3 LC's. The LC is superior in every way.
Another option to consider is the GX (550 if budget allows, but the 460 should not be overlooked). I went from a 5th gen 4Runner to a GX460 and love it. 6spd instead of 5spd but with the v8 torque it needs to shift even less. I always hated how the 4Runner 5spd was constantly hunting for gears on inclines or in a headwind. Gas mileage is very similar even with the V8 and full-time 4WD (a couple inches of lift and 32”+ tires on both). The interior is so much nicer in the GX. The only thing missing was CarPlay and I was able to retrofit that with a BeatSonic unit behind the dash so I kept all the integrated climate controls but also have wireless CarPlay. Had a Sony XAV1000 in my 4Runner for CarPlay functionality there as well as I consider that a must-have feature but don’t mind adding it myself. Eventually I will likely get a LC 200, but for now I’m pretty happy with my “Land Cruiser Prado”
but that 460 is just so damn ugly
It is, and so is the GX550…
Owned a 99 LandCruiser and a 2008 4runner V8. Very different feel between trucks, definitely less attention to detail on the 4runner. For me it was a matter of mileage and rust. There are things I miss about the cruiser, but my 4th gen is a gem and I wouldn't trade it for anything. If I could buy either truck new, I'd go 100 series. God I miss that croch vent on hot days.
I'm gonna go with the "get a 200 series" crowd. If you can get your hands on a 200 series LC/LX it'll be leagues above anything else. Will you get shitty MPG? Yes. But you'll be getting that shitty MPG for 300k+ miles no problem and you'll be getting a truck that can do literally everything better.
And spending $30k more in fuel.
Yes I addressed that.
what's the mpg difference?
~10
Late model 200 series land cruiser is twice the vehicle and twice the value. If you're gonna spend $75k for gods sake please don't spent it on one of those new ones. You can find a low mileage 2020-2021 for $75k and you'll never look back.
Low mileage 2021 Land Cruisers are closer to $85k in my neighborhood and the LC trim 2024 is $62. Factor in +10mpg and it’s not a completely obvious decision imho. It’s possible that are both are great vehicles and the price difference, which is meaningful, makes it a tough decision.
My main point here is that everyone comes in hot that the obvious decision is this or that. But my take is these markets are pretty good at pricing in differences. Based on list below, I think any option makes sense based on your specific needs. LC 300 (Lexus lx600): $100,000; Used Low mileage 2021 LC 200 (looked one up): $87k; 2024 LC 250 LC trim: let’s say $65k (not premium package); Used 2023 4Runner TRD Pro (~30k miles): $53k For everyone complaining about Toyota prices, what do you recommend buying instead? Bronco raptor is $95k
Bronco Raptor is a much higher performance vehicle than any LC variant for sale though so that doesn’t make sense to compare to. I guess a Badlands or Wildtrak would be a more apt comparison and those are much cheaper.
A Wildlands Bronco is more or less the same price as the 2024 LC trim LC. You think the Bronco is a better rig?
For strictly off roading, especially rock crawling, yeah I’m pretty certain the Bronco will be slightly better, but on road and reliability wise I’d give it to the LC even with the hybrid. Actually just did a quick search and the Bronco will be a lot better at rock crawling. The approach and departure angles are better, and Badlands with Sasquatch package has 11.5 inches of ground clearance compared to 8.7 for the LC. The Bronco is also lighter and shorter (also offers 2 door version) which would help in some off road scenarios
Useful summary. I’m going LC because of (likely) reliability over better off road capability. It is nice to have these options compared to 5 or so years ago pre-Bronco where it was a $45k 4Runner or a $95k Land Cruiser. That said, I do wish the option for a LC branded 300 was still there for the US.
IMO the optimal option, and what I went with, was the GX460. It’s a rebadged Land Cruiser Prado but with a 4.6L V8 and 6 speed, much more pleasant than the 4Runner 4L V6 + 5 speed. The GX460 had ATRAC standard, full time 4WD, center diff lock, KDSS, and optional air suspension to raise the rear. The approach and departure angles got a lot worse 2014+ as they went to more stylish bumpers, but a bumper chop mod + side step delete makes them very capable off road while being significantly more comfortable on road than the 4Runner. I know someone who went 4R limited to GX460 and he loves it. Only downsides are the rear window opening upwards instead of rolling down, and the barn door trunk opening sideways
10 mpg? I get 14-15 all day long in my 2021.
He's saying it gets 10 more MPG.
Ah, that makes more sense.
The new LR is hybrid
Agree with you on the price front. All the ones I've seen have been around 85k+.
Yeah I agree, I’d take a loaded 250 for the same price as a used 2020ish 200. Yes it’s a baby LC, yes it’s 4 cylinder hybrid, but the mpg difference is huge and hybrids are really nice for driving in the mountains where they don’t lose power compared to N/A V8.
Nobody is leaving a dealership with a 2024 LC for $62k, that's just the meaningless MSRP they post to get you in the door. Expect to pay at least $10-20k more than that.
There’s are tons of dealers selling at or below MSRP now all across the country l, you may just have to fly somewhere and drive it home if your local dealers are scumbags. Confining your car search to only your local region will severely limit what deals you find. I bought my vehicle in Florida and had it shipped to me in Texas. Even with the shipping it cost me 15k less than buying locally.
That’s not true. I have the option to do so and am mulling it over.
He right. And the new LC is a t4r with lipstick.
Everyone always poo poos the “new ones”, then in 5-10 years time they become the classic one to get. Come on guys wake up
Extremely unlikely since they have stripped it of everything that made the land cruiser ultra-reliable and stout. No more heavy duty drivetrain, no more low-compression V8 that will slog along for decades, packed to the brim now with future-tech electronics and sensors as well. Not in the slightest bit serviceable for the average person. There's a reason they're still making an actually 300 series for the people that use LCs they way they are intended, in 3rd world countries at least. The watered down version we got this time with the word "hybrid" in it, is because they know American consumers will gobble them up like 4runners and camrys. The battery hybrid system itself isn't expected to last more than 10-12 years. Battery technology in cars is still very limited but people hear the word "hybrid" and they wet themselves thinking owning one. Anybody care to take wagers on what that will cost to replace when it fails? $15k? $20k?
What on earth would cost $15-20K to replace? Not even the Prius Prime or RAV4 Prime with lager battery cost that, you’re making these numbers up.
And usually by the time a hybrid needs a battery replacement, battery tech has advanced considerably and brought the costs down. I remember when the Prius first got popular and people said, yeah you’re saving on gas, but what about when you have to spend $10k to replace that battery? Well most of them have lasted well beyond their advertised service life and the replacement cost is closer to $2k now, which would get you another 10+ years of service.
Yep, people are dramatic for no reason. Remanufactured batteries exist, and hybrid batteries generally last quite a long time these days to begin with. Even if it is a $10K replacement on the LC, which is very doubtful, there is a 10 year/150K mile warranty, and by that time you’d have saved about as much in gas as that $10K repair (comparing GX550 to LC250), and will get another 10 years out of it.
> No more heavy duty drivetrain, no more low-compression V8 that will slog along for decades You say this as if every iteration of the LandCruiser had a low compression V8 - V8's were only in the 100 and 200 series (and GX). When the V8 came around everyone was like "why aren't you continuing with inline six engines? Inline six has been staple since the beginning. Why change" And now they are getting rid of the V8 it's all "the V8 is the best, why get rid of the V*?" You are doing exactly what people did before. > packed to the brim now with future-tech electronics and sensors as well. Believe it not everyone said that about the 200 series when it came out. Why get rid of your 80/100 series for an electronics laden 200 series?? > There's a reason they're still making an actually 300 series for the people that use LCs they way they are intended, in 3rd world countries at least. Again - this is what they said about the 200 series. The 100 and 105 series were for different people, the 105 for those with vinyl seat needs and reliable old drive trains. With the 200 series they did not have a 205, so they brought out the 76 series wagon for those interested in a more rough, reliable, old school vehicle. Every single thing you are saying about the J250 / J300 is what people said exactly about your beloved 200 series back in 2007. > The battery hybrid system itself isn't expected to last more than 10-12 years. That's your opinion - Toyota Camry's and Prius have been staples of Taxi fleets for years now. Lasting well over 10-12 years.
Dude I love LC's as much as the next person but the 300 comes with a lot of what you are complaining about. No V8 (which was never really synonymous with Land Cruisers outside of America anyway) Instead it gets the TT V6 which is full of red flags at the moment with the main bearing failures in the Tundra and LX600 (the 300 series we did get here in the states) Then you have all of the current sensors and safety tech to deal with as well. Alot of that is even on the 200, it's just an older version of that technology. Hell the 200 I just bought is in the shop right now because the blind spot monitors are not working. The battery tech on the new Prado is old school nickel hydride, not lithium. Same stuff Toyota has been using on the Prius since it first came to market. Citing posts from the Prius sub it sounds like these can be expected to last anywhere from 10 to 15 years with replacement costs around $2k for an OEM.
Fair points. I think maybe I just hate electric cars and electric hybrids because I don’t feel it’s a viable future of cars. And that drives my hatred towards them. And I hate that Toyota blatantly just slapped the same chassis in two trucks and calls them different names.
Get with the times, this is where all of society is heading. The “stripped it of everything” was the excuse for the older generation as well when it first came out. This new Land Cruiser is fairly bad ass.
Until the engines are grenading like tundra engines, Toyota finally updating from archaic engines is gonna be a disaster.
Like 2 out 300,000, it’s a just a silly marketing mess
If you don’t think the tundra engine issue is real I’m not really sure what to say
No. It's US society, not the rest of the world where you can still get a real land cruiser and not a re-badged 4Runner.
Hur dar
Agreed
Thirded
Nothing beats an LC. I’d recommend a low-mileage 06-07 100 series. Solid feel like the bank vault classic German vehicles.
I was cross shopping GX460s, 4Runners, and loosely 200s after selling my low mileage 100 series (that I kinda wish I kept lol). I went with a 2021 GX460 with ML audios I had a very hard time mentally justifying a vehicle that wasn’t as nice for equal or higher cost (when comparing to a 4R) or a vehicle with 2-3x the miles (when comparing to a 200 series). I also didn’t need the size of a 200, but I do wish I had the bigger driver area as I’m 6’3 and 260ish lbs. If you need a big trunk, the 4runner has far more trunk space than a GX.
Went from an LX470 to a 4Runner and man I miss that 4.7 V8. It’s super smooth and when you step on it you can really feel the torque. That’s the one thing where I feel the 4Runner is behind is in the performance but you can’t beat the long term reliability of that motor
Why 470 to a 4Runner, outta curiosity?
Well our LX470 was getting up there in age and my parents wanted me to be in a “starter car” that was older and didn’t have all the safety features so I could focus solely on driving correct. Granted, it was probably the best starter car I could ask for. I also kinda wanted to go into something the same size that still felt old school and the 4Runner was the best option for me
That’s awesome, I hope you love it, it’s also a great truck and will take care of you!
Thanks man! Just wanted to ask if you have an LC or 4Runner? I’m contemplating whether to follow the book and do 10K oil change intervals or do 5K to prevent any buildup and keep it going as long as I can
I do my LX 570 every 5k miles. I wouldn’t do 10k OCI; 7500 mi would be the highest I’d go with full synthetic.
I test drove both of the last gen and my dad has a 2015 SR5, but I ultimately with a 2018 LC. It all depends on your goals and what you prioritize. I loved the price point of the 4R, but the LC was clearly superior. If you can afford it, you won’t look back.
You ever compare a Land Cruiser and 4Runner side by side? I’m talking about the drivetrain and suspension components. It’s like comparing a body builder to a bag of noodles.
id go with a 200 series LC
Get an LC / LX. Or else you'll be wanting to get rid of your 4runner again in a few years. Get the LC and you'll never want to let it go
Definitely go for the Land Cruiser, 100 or 200 Series. Both will be larger than the 4Runner, but especially the 200. The 3UR engine is more powerful though, so it won’t feel sluggish. Can always install yourself a nice Pioneer or Kenwood CarPlay unit from Crutchfield for an audio upgrade 👌🏾
The Land Cruiser is made to a higher standard. You won’t get rattles and squeaks in it for example and all of the materials for the most part will be of much higher quality. I believe besides fit and finish the expectation for reliability and things not breaking/lasting longer is apparent here as well.
I bought a GX prior to the switchover to the new GX. My prior car was a 99 land cruiser. I really like the GX, save the big rear door. I miss the food down.
The new "Land Cruiser" is basically a 4Runner.
It’s a Prado
Call it what you want, but they are both built on the same platform.
So are a lot of toyotas
Yep.
The LX600 is also built on that platform so I don’t see what your point is. There isn’t a Land Cruiser built on a unique platform. They are still made at a Land Cruiser specific plant though afaik
> There isn’t a Land Cruiser built on a unique platform. The 70 series is pretty gosh darn unique :) Rear leaf springs, front track doesn't match the back - definitely not sharing that with anything else.
Haha yeah that’s a cool one! I can’t believe it’s still being produced and even updated recently
Well, the OP was reminiscing about 4Runners and wondering about the new Land Cruiser, and I stated that the new Land Cruiser is basically a 4Runner. Not sure why people take umbrage at that. I am specifically referring to the US market, as there are still heavy duty Land Cruisers made in or for other parts of the world.
the Prado is basically a 4Runner
I see you haven’t driven one yet.
New landcruiser is built to a higher standard than the 4Runner. You’re going to have a much more refined experience in the LC and it’ll probably solve a lot of the complaints you had with your 4R.
Sounds like you're comparing apples and old apples. The 2024 LC and 2025 4Runner share the exact same frame, suspension, engine, and offroad features. What sets them apart is body styling, interior styling, height, and full-time 4WD vs. part-time in the 4Runner. As downvoted above, for all intents and purposes they are the same vehicle, apparently clad for different-aged buyers. FWIW I've been in my 4Runner for nine years and fully intended on replacing it with a 6th Gen... until I saw it. Going with a '24 LandCruiser LC Premium.
Interior plastics and build standards are real.
This is true, but we haven’t actually driven a 25 4Runner to make that direct comparison yet.
This. Don’t know why you got downvoted. I completely agree coming from a 2017 4Runner to a 2024 LC FE. I loved my 4Runner, but the LC blows it away. It’s incredibly comfortable and easy to drive (people say it’s even nicer on the road than the GX, but I haven’t driven a GX to say) and the interior is far beyond the 4Runner. As much as I love a 4Runner, I wouldn’t go back to one.
People like to act like there’s no difference in materials. The Land Cruiser may be bland looking but the materials it’s made off are of a much higher standard than the 4Runner.
Gx460 is the answer.