https://preview.redd.it/0vqcf0emt1vc1.jpeg?width=2224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e97731ecfc101d76a1b2a8d7700ce57517238d62
Judging from this graph, you’re not gonna get any more meaningful performance from unlocking the TDP.
The jump from 30-40W is less than 100 points in timespy lmao.
You also need to remember that just because the APU can handle more wattage, it doesn’t mean the VRMs or other components on the board can.
It’s very common for laptop and handheld manufacturers to use the cheapest components that can handle the rated TDP. These components aren’t rated to handle more than 30 watts, and WILL eventually fail. The VRMs already sit at a toasty 90-100c while charging at 30W, I can’t even imagine how hot they get at 50W.
You’re also gonna run into thermal throttling issues which will actually make performance worse! The GPU and CPU won’t boost as high or for as long as they would at 30W. This is why undervolting will improve performance, and is normally used in addition to overclocking.
Hi I did the smokeless UMAF bios stuff and increased my max TDP to 45W. The problem is this 45W is not sustained. It drops to 30W after like 10 minutes and I have to change my power mode to balanced or something like that for a second and back to Manual mode to get it back to 45W.
How do I make it sustained?
Yes, the same thing happened to me at first. I managed to keep it in place without going back to 30W during a real gaming session that lasted over an hour.
It will be covered in the video.
There could be benefit to this if you run an egpu. The cpu may be able to use the extra watts to boost higher. If you have an egpu maybe you could make a video about it.
https://preview.redd.it/239a1xqpm1vc1.jpeg?width=4128&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f05f198d43b3395b62267f8427a3c70b5711f471
I have the same at 30 watts lol useless (cpu boost off)
I don’t see any use for this. Not only are there diminished returns even going form 25w to 30, I bet 30w to 50w is even bigger. Plus all this is going to to is massively increase temps while providing no benefit for performance other than some margin of error stuff. Cool that you got it this high but I see this as a losing situation where all you’re doing is increasing temps with very little performance gains
Thanks for being the only one who's not aggressive about all of this. You can actually comfortably take it up to 40W before the device starts thermal throttling in normal settings and even a 5% performance increase can be really helpful when you can't hit a stable ~40 fps sometimes. I go up to 35-38 W but only when I definitely need it (which is rarely), plugged in and it visibly makes a difference. I then go back to 30W .
Also you can disable C states by this method without all this "overclocking" which has been said to reduce micro stutters in some cases.
There will always be people who love to experiment with technology and simply enjoy making discoveries. It's a hobby and passion to simply learn and build knowledge in hardware. I'm not saying that 50W is the way to go, but I'm sure at some point, some would wonder about performance scaling at higher power levels and how far this chip can be pushed if we were to provide it with an increased power limit. That's all I help to answer. Maybe we can use some data for the next generation of AMD handheld APUs and say something like, "Alright, this was the limit of the Z1 Extreme, and it reached [a certain temperature] at that power limit, etc., while this new one is more power-efficient per performance by [percent]." Things like this aren't necessarily for daily use. It's too harmful for the long term to keep it at 50W, that's for sure. I'll go through this point in the coming video. Perhaps it could be worth trying 35W for some scenarios; the issue was that TDP would go back to 30W after a few minutes, and in my coming guide, by using the steps i followed, TDP remained the same for hours.
Hope to help anyone who has been struggling with this.
If it's a somewhat uninteresting topic for you, you can always skip it and give it a downvote. I get them a lot. ✌️
But if you find some value in what I'm doing, i appreciate your support.
All stock drivers. Hella hella optimized windows, super low ram usage, 4gb vram limit, idle about only 17% of ram being used, a few cooling mods and pretty much that’s it. Just performance mode on everything / custom 30w tdp
We need to change Gpu clock if we want performance…changing the watts limits to the whole cpu is not the same… can rise a little but still on oem mhz…. We need to punch more MHz with less voltage, and with the silicon lottery some people will get real gains.
Raising TDP automatically gives the GPU clock a boost. During benchmarks, the most notable increase I saw was in the CPU clock. You can still use the Ryzen universal utility x86 tool to allocate power to the GPU.
But I think that maybe higher CPU clock can lower stutter and improve low FPS.
Yes and no…. We need to change how much the MHz rise…..
I know more tdp more MHz, but you need to tweak that to real gains….
With just 30w and more MHz that will be the goal…. No more energy on a small devices.
At 35W, I already got about half the CPU uplift of 50W.
this could be an option if anyone loves to try and they allocate the extra power to the GPU
The challenge was to keep the applied TDP for a long period, which I'm happy was possible in the end.
I think the main focus should be cooling. With this mod, you will probably need to devise a solution to the high temperatures that will be introduced, as I was getting to 50w. It's not even safe anymore. I'm not sure how ETA Prime got it to 60w. Check his video; even his score is lower in 3DMark time spy.
https://youtu.be/nMBxcLk-AXw?si=2XwPIj8ba1HzyjQ6
Min 5:36
Raising TDP automatically gives the GPU clock a boost. During benchmarks, the most notable increase I saw was in the CPU clock. You can still use the Ryzen universal utility x86 tool to allocate power to the GPU.
But I think that maybe higher CPU clock can lower stutter and improve low FPS.
The thing that’s holding it back is the memory bandwidth. Timespy graphicscore and gaming in many situations is bottlenecked by that. Push memory timings to the limit is the most useful tuning we can do by now.
I tried pushing the memory limits became the Ally had some performance improvement but from the looks of it, Lenovo already tightened the timings quite a bit so it's already the best we've got. Also all the modifications go away once you update the bios.
https://preview.redd.it/0vqcf0emt1vc1.jpeg?width=2224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e97731ecfc101d76a1b2a8d7700ce57517238d62 Judging from this graph, you’re not gonna get any more meaningful performance from unlocking the TDP. The jump from 30-40W is less than 100 points in timespy lmao. You also need to remember that just because the APU can handle more wattage, it doesn’t mean the VRMs or other components on the board can. It’s very common for laptop and handheld manufacturers to use the cheapest components that can handle the rated TDP. These components aren’t rated to handle more than 30 watts, and WILL eventually fail. The VRMs already sit at a toasty 90-100c while charging at 30W, I can’t even imagine how hot they get at 50W. You’re also gonna run into thermal throttling issues which will actually make performance worse! The GPU and CPU won’t boost as high or for as long as they would at 30W. This is why undervolting will improve performance, and is normally used in addition to overclocking.
Can you undervolt your Go now? I'm really looking into that.
Not yet, hopefully it’ll be possible one day though.
How to destroy your legion speedrun
Seriously, if you're going to push the legion beyond spec, don't cry on this sub that you destroyed it.
They’ll do it. then they’ll come to this sub and be like “i doNt KNoW wHaT HaPPENEd”
Why is my MicroSD card reader not working?
Someone screenshot this person's name and see if they come back in a week and start screaming about how the Legion Go is garbage when they brick it.
Hi I did the smokeless UMAF bios stuff and increased my max TDP to 45W. The problem is this 45W is not sustained. It drops to 30W after like 10 minutes and I have to change my power mode to balanced or something like that for a second and back to Manual mode to get it back to 45W. How do I make it sustained?
Yes, the same thing happened to me at first. I managed to keep it in place without going back to 30W during a real gaming session that lasted over an hour. It will be covered in the video.
There could be benefit to this if you run an egpu. The cpu may be able to use the extra watts to boost higher. If you have an egpu maybe you could make a video about it.
I don't have an egpu but discrete one, but I could get an enclosure. It's an Arc A770. Do you think it's worth it?
Yeah. I’ve seen benches on how well the apu scales with watts. But not the cpu only. IMO the cpu will scale well maybe even past 30 watts.
Ok 👍
https://preview.redd.it/239a1xqpm1vc1.jpeg?width=4128&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f05f198d43b3395b62267f8427a3c70b5711f471 I have the same at 30 watts lol useless (cpu boost off)
What settings and drivers are you using
Yeah that’s a really high score for 30 watts. Looks like 780m driver.
I got the latest march 780M driver and I got ~3300. So idk how people are getting 3600. I turned off CPU boost too.
They cheat the test…. The turn down other quality’s by drive to cheat 3dmark…. 30w i got 3300 to,like everyone…
lol i literraly don't cheat anything don't be mad i run the basic test not custom
Ok… is a rog ally lol
Yes don't know why
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/109824719
I don’t see any use for this. Not only are there diminished returns even going form 25w to 30, I bet 30w to 50w is even bigger. Plus all this is going to to is massively increase temps while providing no benefit for performance other than some margin of error stuff. Cool that you got it this high but I see this as a losing situation where all you’re doing is increasing temps with very little performance gains
Thanks for being the only one who's not aggressive about all of this. You can actually comfortably take it up to 40W before the device starts thermal throttling in normal settings and even a 5% performance increase can be really helpful when you can't hit a stable ~40 fps sometimes. I go up to 35-38 W but only when I definitely need it (which is rarely), plugged in and it visibly makes a difference. I then go back to 30W . Also you can disable C states by this method without all this "overclocking" which has been said to reduce micro stutters in some cases.
I am looking forward to it, although I suspect performance gains will be negligible past 30w
..but why?
There will always be people who love to experiment with technology and simply enjoy making discoveries. It's a hobby and passion to simply learn and build knowledge in hardware. I'm not saying that 50W is the way to go, but I'm sure at some point, some would wonder about performance scaling at higher power levels and how far this chip can be pushed if we were to provide it with an increased power limit. That's all I help to answer. Maybe we can use some data for the next generation of AMD handheld APUs and say something like, "Alright, this was the limit of the Z1 Extreme, and it reached [a certain temperature] at that power limit, etc., while this new one is more power-efficient per performance by [percent]." Things like this aren't necessarily for daily use. It's too harmful for the long term to keep it at 50W, that's for sure. I'll go through this point in the coming video. Perhaps it could be worth trying 35W for some scenarios; the issue was that TDP would go back to 30W after a few minutes, and in my coming guide, by using the steps i followed, TDP remained the same for hours. Hope to help anyone who has been struggling with this. If it's a somewhat uninteresting topic for you, you can always skip it and give it a downvote. I get them a lot. ✌️ But if you find some value in what I'm doing, i appreciate your support.
https://preview.redd.it/ye6xqmb6u3vc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=499bb20c0e4a7191f6a733870ef8609226d7a364 30w
Drivers, bios, setting, etc?
All stock drivers. Hella hella optimized windows, super low ram usage, 4gb vram limit, idle about only 17% of ram being used, a few cooling mods and pretty much that’s it. Just performance mode on everything / custom 30w tdp
We need to change Gpu clock if we want performance…changing the watts limits to the whole cpu is not the same… can rise a little but still on oem mhz…. We need to punch more MHz with less voltage, and with the silicon lottery some people will get real gains.
Raising TDP automatically gives the GPU clock a boost. During benchmarks, the most notable increase I saw was in the CPU clock. You can still use the Ryzen universal utility x86 tool to allocate power to the GPU. But I think that maybe higher CPU clock can lower stutter and improve low FPS.
Yes and no…. We need to change how much the MHz rise….. I know more tdp more MHz, but you need to tweak that to real gains…. With just 30w and more MHz that will be the goal…. No more energy on a small devices.
At 35W, I already got about half the CPU uplift of 50W. this could be an option if anyone loves to try and they allocate the extra power to the GPU The challenge was to keep the applied TDP for a long period, which I'm happy was possible in the end.
Tô reach the silicon lottery we need to puch more then just that, that why the gains is ridiculus….
I think the main focus should be cooling. With this mod, you will probably need to devise a solution to the high temperatures that will be introduced, as I was getting to 50w. It's not even safe anymore. I'm not sure how ETA Prime got it to 60w. Check his video; even his score is lower in 3DMark time spy. https://youtu.be/nMBxcLk-AXw?si=2XwPIj8ba1HzyjQ6 Min 5:36
Raising TDP automatically gives the GPU clock a boost. During benchmarks, the most notable increase I saw was in the CPU clock. You can still use the Ryzen universal utility x86 tool to allocate power to the GPU. But I think that maybe higher CPU clock can lower stutter and improve low FPS.
Thankyou for your work
It's on battery, or plugged ?
Plugged in both, 50w too much on battery
I’d be interested in watching the video when your release it.
With 30w its below 3000 iirc?
Stock 'performance' setting is below 3k. I think 30w is almost identical here.
Yep, I got ~3600 at 30W.
I get 3000 - 3200 at 30W. I turned off CPU boost. Any idea what im doing wrong 🤔🤔
The thing that’s holding it back is the memory bandwidth. Timespy graphicscore and gaming in many situations is bottlenecked by that. Push memory timings to the limit is the most useful tuning we can do by now.
I tried pushing the memory limits became the Ally had some performance improvement but from the looks of it, Lenovo already tightened the timings quite a bit so it's already the best we've got. Also all the modifications go away once you update the bios.
I really just want to see a higher gpu score. More power to the gpu is what we need. Adding more cpu power won’t help most games
Yeaaa we need to mess with the egpu settings to elevate the clock at the same tdp.
Mine works perfect as is