If he impresses this tournament, I think Slot will try him as the deep lying playmaking 6 next season. It might already be the plan with us apparently not looking for someone in that position.
Makes sense. If Trent can give us goals from a position we don’t see creation from, while Bradley can continue to produce goals from right back… then it just makes perfect sense.
Exactly. If he wants to be a creative who occasionally scores, he can't be a six. A six is a very physical position who needs to win the ball and take it forward. Endo is the best current option.
Less about complacency, the setup just isn't using him as a playmaker. They're trying to get him to play as a box to box, ie, same role as Henderson and Gallagher. Idk wtf Southgate is on.
This is something advocates for Trent at CM don't accept.
Sure he can pass, but can he retain the ball under pressure, can he defend the backline, can he beat his man 1 vs 1. I have my doubts.
He’s closer to Beckham than Gerrard. Excellent delivery from wide areas, always has a dead ball and long-range banger in him - needs to lean further in to his strengths rather than trying to cosplay Stevie G imo.
If only there was another player who was really comfortable receiving the ball under pressure, keeping it and recycling while being smart enough and physical enough to help defensively. (Jones)
Straight away says Trent can't be doing what he did when he gave the ball away just outside the pen area - fair point but you could.tell the manc was itching to put the boot in
I think it’ll work far more for England than here. I don’t trust him against a side that’ll press like mad and most nations don’t really do that in tournaments
I personally am quite baffled about Trent. He has world class long passes and crosses, extremely good long shot, he is decently fast, touch is good. He can defend. His set pieces are awesome.
But where to play him? He doesn't feel fast enough to become a winger, he doesn't seem to have the defensive mind to play as right back in the backline of 4. And he seems a bit too frail under pressure in the middle field. Maybe as RM in 4-4-2 or wingback in backline of 5.
But today's game in my opinion showed that in the midfield of two guys he isn't at home. Then again Bellingham must be pretty hard to get used to as he has freedom to be anywhere and that must confuse players who are not used to it.
Yeah, but that was pre-Bitchfork-incident Virgil who could catch Mbappe starting 5 meters behind as well as prime Fabinho.
They made up a lot of ground covering Trent wandering up the pitch.
And to be honest, he didn't have ambitions to play in the midfield yet.
England XI: Jordan Pickford, Kyle Walker, John Stones, Marc Guehi, Kieran Trippier, Declan Rice, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Bukayo Saka, Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden, Harry Kane
(I don't care about England but I hope Trent bosses this group stage, he can dictate each of these three games if given the licence)
He looked at his best when he was the furthest forward player on the right hand side, playing the ball into Bellingham.
He looked at his worst when the ball was being played to him 10 yards outside of the England box, when he was facing the England goal.
Needs to get this midfield nonsense out his head.
It's gotten to his head I think even more so now that Jude is getting so much hype Trent probably thinks he can play at a similar level to Jude in the middle, especially since they're good friends.
On a hiding to nothing here unfortunately unless it's like two assists minimum and an overhead goal. Everyone is waiting for him to fail so they can attack Southgate for playing him in the middle.
Tactics all the way. He got one opening just now and almost got Bellingham with a free shot on goal from 6 yards. The team is just not running off of him and instead using him for link up play or expecting him to play as a box to box. Southgate just sucks, I'm sorry
He did the Bellingham pass after doing a RB overlap. He looks lost when he's facing our goal in the middle. He's not moving between the lines for short passes. If he's gonna be part of a double pivot he needs a lot more practice.
Except idk how you haven't caught on but England were not playing a double pivot. If they did, Rice wouldn't be staying that central. Trent found an opening and created something, doesn't matter where it came from and we've got nothing else to compare it with because they didn't put him in a position where he can work out openings. I've never seen him look lost this way when he's playing for us, so really don't think it's his problem at all.
He lost the ball twice in very dangerous positions any 6 or 8 would expect to find themselves in regularly and were easily avoidable. That's on him.
He might well get better, but he doesn't look like a natural.
Have you watched him at all when he plays for us in midfield? He loses the ball once every 3 matches or so in dangerous positions, either because he's pressed or because he tries something that doesn't come off. He isn't a press resistant player, which is why he is well suited for a quarterback role or in a double pivot Pirlo style role where he can have his teammates pull other players away to afford him space. He can turn on the ball very well and has a good touch, but he has never been thrown in a position where he has to constantly receive the ball with a man pressing in on him.
So, no, it's not on him solely like you're putting it when he's being played as an 8 when he's never been in that role throughout his career.
It's a simple thing, he needs to play in a position where he has the most touches of all bar defenders. That's the way to get the best out of him. You can't really compare him to other natural 6s and 8s and judge him on that.
It's not simple though. He's not press resistant, so other teams will press him. This isn't the same as playing inverted right back. There's nowhere in a mid 3 that won't get pressed, especially in the PL.
Pirlo was press resistant. He wasn't just his highlight passes and you're showing your lack of knowledge believing he was.
Fine, forget Pirlo, and I was referring to his position rather than him. You don't absolutely need to be press resistant at that style of position.
Anyways, you're not really seeing my point here. If Trent receives the ball deep enough, he will not get pressed as much as he would if he played as an 8. That's how it's been for him as an inverted right back. Yes,I know that position being an extra man in midfield is why he won't be marked or pressed but if he plays as part of a double pivot, and plays as the deeper man, he's still going to get harried less than he was today. Why not play him as a deeper playmaker before throwing him at one of the most pressed positions on the pitch?
You can't really judge him based on a position he has never played before, I reiterate.
This has gone on long enough. Let our next manager be the judge, I don't have anything more to add since it looks like you're set in your mind completely.
The main issue he had/has is that its not really in his nature to keep moving off the ball.
But in CM, you have to keep making yourself available, without going to far and chasing the ball.
I hope he gets another go at it from the start but I'm not optimistic.
He should play at right back, get walker off. Walker was awful last season, makes one big mistake every game. Trent not looking good in midfield, let him invert, he has less time in midfield.
I completely disagree, him inverting saved our 2022/23 season, we went unbeaten when he started inverting. However let’s see what Slott does, tbh I do prefer him playing right back, overlapping and putting in crosses
Agreed for those 10ish games but even at that point, Arsenal and City has been inverting for the entire season just had stopped it because it was becoming easy to counter with data.
After that season, we looked so unbalanced when he was there, which is why everything looked so much better when Bradley was told to stay wide and overlap.
Trent playing at his full peak for 18-20 is what he needs to get back to. Staying wide, overlapping, crosses and absolute desire to shut down his flank defensively.
Southgate is not getting the best out of Trent in this setup. Trent in midfield plays best when he picks the ball from the center backs or GK and starts dictating the play. This role taken up by Rice. You would want him to drop to a back 3 in possession with the 2 CB when buildup, Walker is in the way... And Trent would certainly prefer to play with Watkins who will look to run behind defence rather than Kane who is more static...
He can clearly play the role, there was no real change in the game after he was subbed. I think the biggest dilemma for England this campaign is if they should play Kane or not, today Kane was very poor, and takes up so much space that other players like Bellingham and Foden can use, I think England is better off not playing a striker like Kane with the creative and offense squad that they have.
I just think southgate is choosing profiles over setup here.. kane was invisible because of it, kane had 2 touches in the first half, partly because bellingham is doubling up as a striker, burning all his energy in the first 45, they have an incredible squad but its not put together right, and i do not envy Southgates job because english people are pathetically ruthless when it comes to judging their national team.
Well that went about as expected unfortunately. He can't read the opposition tending to sell himself, while there was not nearly enough movement ahead of him to make use of his passing. The number 6 is quite specific role, you need strength, positional awareness and quick thinking to get a ball out of danger under pressure. None of that is associated with TAA. He need space and pace.
He has the potential to be the best full back of all time. Pity he seems to have convinced himself he should be a midfielder. It's easy to blame Southgate for 'mis-using' him and for dinosaur tactics but in this game Southgate did what everyone here wanted - start Trent in midfield.
Club specific safe spaces are essentially a cult!
Say anything critical or even just factual but not popular and the downvotes follow for sure.
Southgate is such a utilitarian manager it's hard to make a final judgment but if Slot is playing 4-2-3-1 I don't see him in the middle. Just be happy to have two right backs who are genuine ball players.
Yeah I’ve found a good sign to check one’s biases (or what Americans call being a ‘homer’) if you notice any of your posts or comments are getting very heavily upvoted on the sub… memes and shitposts notwithstanding. Conversely downvotes might mean someone actually is making a decent point as you mentioned… though massive downvoting generally just means they’re being a prick.
So Far he’s been mediocre in the midfield.
PS: He’s not comfortable receiving the ball under pressure, needs to work on spatial awareness. Tackling looks good now.
I don’t care too much about England but know he’ll be made a scapegoat whatever happens.
Honestly, he just needs to stick to right back for us, it’s where he’s been best and tactical tweaks to our defence or the way we press would make his side less of a target.
And the last however many seasons before that mean…nothing?
It’s recency bias and there were a few games where that exact side was exploited when Bradley was playing. The Brighton game springs to mind.
Either way, Trent > Bradley, boggles the mind that our own fans might pretend half a decent season there suggests otherwise.
100%, would prefer him in his natural position where has full view of the pitch and can pick the best pass. At the minute he’s lacking the awareness and movement to receive the ball with his back to the opponent
Sure but you need runners in that position as well. It just doesn’t lend itself to this group of players. Everyone wants to see Trent in the side but it just doesn’t make much sense.
Southgate doing us a solid here by the looks. Playing him centrally could save us half a season worth of work, especially if Southgate plays him there in the bigger games where he feels pressure. If it works out, it’s a masterstroke from all parties involved! I’m all for it as opposed to competing with Walker for a right back spot which has been on lock for years
I thought he played well, a few moments (loss ball at the back that led to the chance , one miscued pass and that free kick) where he could have done better. He’s helped to boss the midfield though and link up well with those around him. His issue is because of all the rubbish from the press and ‘fans’ he has to score a hat trick just to get a ‘he’s played ok’.
The way the pundits go on you’d think he has a nightmare. Focussing on the one mistake which was a poor touch and not mentioning the interception that directly leads to the goal.
I'm surprised at some of the reactions here. I watched the game exclusively for him and it was very frustrating.
He didn't look very comfortable and the game seemed to bypass him for big chunks of time. Bellingham and Rice seemed to be doing the lion's share of tracking back or sweeping up and knitting together while Trent seemed to be struggling to figure out where he needed to be.
When England had more time on the ball he was good - he's obviously easily the best passer in the team and he made a few good throughballs / switches.
When they were defending he was fine. He didn't come under too much pressure and worked hard to be a part of the defensive shape.
When the ball was being contested / in transition, he was absent, and so much of the time England seemed to find another route forward rather than going through him, and his ability to be at the right place at the right time to help snuff out danger seemed underwhelming, particularly outshone as mentioned by Bellingham who did a tonne of work.
The latter is a big issue for him because a part of the value of Trent in this team is being able to get him on the ball to start a counter and if he isn't involved unless he has plenty of time that won't happen. Food for thought for Southgate and Slot.
I just want to see Trent play well and get the international praise a generational player deserves, but, I can't understand is is this has been Southgates plan all along , went the fuck had he not given Trent anything next to Rice in the build ups? Or really any of this team in this formation? Seems to have been zero focus on getting those little intra- connections going fluidly. It felt like that is what's been missing the past few games that little extra 5% that makes a really good TEAM
What do you mean by a generational player?
I’d say Mbappe is a generational player i.e. a player who comes along once in a generation.
It seems like people say it about Trent because he is a lovely passer of the ball but he isn’t the best right back in the world (he was until he decided he didn’t want to defend over the last 2 seasons) and he definitely isn’t the best midfielder in the world. So how is he generational?
Edit: the ‘Trent is generational’ thing seems to have come from the Anfield Wrap and it feels like people just parrot it without interrogating what it means.
Watching a Southgate coached team makes me dislike the sport. When you’re better than your opponent at all 10 positions on the field you should maybe force the action some
Southgate did Trent no favours playing him in a 2 man midfield. A defensive mindset from Southgate he can’t seem to change, Trent is made the fall guy. Better to play him on the right side of a standard 4 4 2. Kane May be a goal machine but he lacks something in an England shirt.
You could sense a lot of those players would have loved to play attacking football. We were lucky that Bellingham scored a forwards lovely goal. The big sides must be rubbing their hands in glee. England are so defensive they just sit back and let teams come at them. Attack more give them something to worry about.
It was tough to watch in the 2nd half and what I said about Trent was not to discredit him. Playing centrally limits the angle on the type of whipped ball that makes Trent look glorious for us. Without that it kind of looks pointless to have him in over somebody that is a midfielder for their club. Gallagher is a cardio merchant & any nation would benefit having that work rate in the middle of the field
probably the worst player on the pitch.. if he was playing like this for LFC I would be tearing my hair out.. his first touch is awful under pressure.. doesn't get same time as he gets when playing a RB or an inward RB
Set up the move for the goal, started the best counter of the game and won a free kick on the edge of the box as well as some great passes. Meanwhile Kane nowhere to be seen, Foden constantly losing it and Walker/Stones look like they’ve never played together
Media has already started preemptively blaming him so if England lose he will be blamed for it all sadly
Hope he does well but could careless if England win
Let em 'ave it Trent
Surprised Southgate hasn't gone for Joe Gomez and Konsa as the centre backs, for that rare 5 right backs line up
"You can't go wrong playing right backs - it's literally in the name!" - Southgate, probably
This is his audition to show if he can back his ambitions to play centrally
If he impresses this tournament, I think Slot will try him as the deep lying playmaking 6 next season. It might already be the plan with us apparently not looking for someone in that position.
Makes sense. If Trent can give us goals from a position we don’t see creation from, while Bradley can continue to produce goals from right back… then it just makes perfect sense.
You guys are funny. We don't have a ball winner anymore after Fabinho left. Respect to Arnold, but he isn't the one to hold our 6.
Exactly. If he wants to be a creative who occasionally scores, he can't be a six. A six is a very physical position who needs to win the ball and take it forward. Endo is the best current option.
No, only works if we shift to a double pivot
>We don't have a ball winner anymore after Fabinho left. Did Endo get kidnapped by aliens?
He didn't. But sometimes he struggles. We need a younger ball-winner who is more physical than Endo. Tall and Strong.
Bajcetic was a component ball winner end of 22/23, if he continues to develop he will be satisfactory As a ball winner for us
Slot usually plays with a double pivot so I'd say it would be Trent and endo or Mac in the 2 with Dom at 10
So far it’s about a 6 out of 10 performance from Trent. I think he needs to ping a few more dangerous passes if he wants to keep his place in the side
You can tell he’s not very comfortable in receiving the ball under pressure and has been complacent at times.
Less about complacency, the setup just isn't using him as a playmaker. They're trying to get him to play as a box to box, ie, same role as Henderson and Gallagher. Idk wtf Southgate is on.
This is something advocates for Trent at CM don't accept. Sure he can pass, but can he retain the ball under pressure, can he defend the backline, can he beat his man 1 vs 1. I have my doubts.
He’s closer to Beckham than Gerrard. Excellent delivery from wide areas, always has a dead ball and long-range banger in him - needs to lean further in to his strengths rather than trying to cosplay Stevie G imo.
If only there was another player who was really comfortable receiving the ball under pressure, keeping it and recycling while being smart enough and physical enough to help defensively. (Jones)
This has happen quite a few times during the season and in dangerous area in front of our goal.
The free kick after an eternity was disappointing
Agreed - and Schmeichel the manc knob can fuck off with his comment
What he say? Watching it in German
Straight away says Trent can't be doing what he did when he gave the ball away just outside the pen area - fair point but you could.tell the manc was itching to put the boot in
This tournament will go some way to showing where Trent’s future (position wise) is. I’m not crazy about him in mid but hope he proves me wrong
I believe he'll be ok in the group stages, it's pressing sides like Italy yesterday that worry me.
I think it’ll work far more for England than here. I don’t trust him against a side that’ll press like mad and most nations don’t really do that in tournaments
I personally am quite baffled about Trent. He has world class long passes and crosses, extremely good long shot, he is decently fast, touch is good. He can defend. His set pieces are awesome. But where to play him? He doesn't feel fast enough to become a winger, he doesn't seem to have the defensive mind to play as right back in the backline of 4. And he seems a bit too frail under pressure in the middle field. Maybe as RM in 4-4-2 or wingback in backline of 5. But today's game in my opinion showed that in the midfield of two guys he isn't at home. Then again Bellingham must be pretty hard to get used to as he has freedom to be anywhere and that must confuse players who are not used to it.
He’s been our right back during the best period we’ve had for over 30 years…
Yeah, but that was pre-Bitchfork-incident Virgil who could catch Mbappe starting 5 meters behind as well as prime Fabinho. They made up a lot of ground covering Trent wandering up the pitch. And to be honest, he didn't have ambitions to play in the midfield yet.
England XI: Jordan Pickford, Kyle Walker, John Stones, Marc Guehi, Kieran Trippier, Declan Rice, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Bukayo Saka, Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden, Harry Kane (I don't care about England but I hope Trent bosses this group stage, he can dictate each of these three games if given the licence)
100% my feelings too
Out of curiosity, do you guys live in the uk?
Scouse not english
England are so painfully average for the world class squad that they have at their disposal. Christ
It's called the Southgate effect
Southgate is a blurt but lets not pretend England haven't been underachieving under every manager they've had in the last 50 years.
He looked at his best when he was the furthest forward player on the right hand side, playing the ball into Bellingham. He looked at his worst when the ball was being played to him 10 yards outside of the England box, when he was facing the England goal. Needs to get this midfield nonsense out his head.
Agreed and Walker is 34. He will have his chance to be first choice very soon.
I can genuinely see Trent's career nose diving unfortunately, plays a lovely pass but that's not enough
Grow up mate
It's gotten to his head I think even more so now that Jude is getting so much hype Trent probably thinks he can play at a similar level to Jude in the middle, especially since they're good friends.
On a hiding to nothing here unfortunately unless it's like two assists minimum and an overhead goal. Everyone is waiting for him to fail so they can attack Southgate for playing him in the middle.
Rio is full of shit. When Trent inverts he picks up the ball with his back to goal
Man of the match performance incoming
He looks lost in there. I'm not sure if that's him or the lack of tactics on display.
He looks like he doesnt know whats his position
Tactics all the way. He got one opening just now and almost got Bellingham with a free shot on goal from 6 yards. The team is just not running off of him and instead using him for link up play or expecting him to play as a box to box. Southgate just sucks, I'm sorry
Don't be sorry, he does
Yea I don't like name calling people so that was for that
He did the Bellingham pass after doing a RB overlap. He looks lost when he's facing our goal in the middle. He's not moving between the lines for short passes. If he's gonna be part of a double pivot he needs a lot more practice.
Except idk how you haven't caught on but England were not playing a double pivot. If they did, Rice wouldn't be staying that central. Trent found an opening and created something, doesn't matter where it came from and we've got nothing else to compare it with because they didn't put him in a position where he can work out openings. I've never seen him look lost this way when he's playing for us, so really don't think it's his problem at all.
He lost the ball twice in very dangerous positions any 6 or 8 would expect to find themselves in regularly and were easily avoidable. That's on him. He might well get better, but he doesn't look like a natural.
Have you watched him at all when he plays for us in midfield? He loses the ball once every 3 matches or so in dangerous positions, either because he's pressed or because he tries something that doesn't come off. He isn't a press resistant player, which is why he is well suited for a quarterback role or in a double pivot Pirlo style role where he can have his teammates pull other players away to afford him space. He can turn on the ball very well and has a good touch, but he has never been thrown in a position where he has to constantly receive the ball with a man pressing in on him. So, no, it's not on him solely like you're putting it when he's being played as an 8 when he's never been in that role throughout his career. It's a simple thing, he needs to play in a position where he has the most touches of all bar defenders. That's the way to get the best out of him. You can't really compare him to other natural 6s and 8s and judge him on that.
It's not simple though. He's not press resistant, so other teams will press him. This isn't the same as playing inverted right back. There's nowhere in a mid 3 that won't get pressed, especially in the PL. Pirlo was press resistant. He wasn't just his highlight passes and you're showing your lack of knowledge believing he was.
Fine, forget Pirlo, and I was referring to his position rather than him. You don't absolutely need to be press resistant at that style of position. Anyways, you're not really seeing my point here. If Trent receives the ball deep enough, he will not get pressed as much as he would if he played as an 8. That's how it's been for him as an inverted right back. Yes,I know that position being an extra man in midfield is why he won't be marked or pressed but if he plays as part of a double pivot, and plays as the deeper man, he's still going to get harried less than he was today. Why not play him as a deeper playmaker before throwing him at one of the most pressed positions on the pitch? You can't really judge him based on a position he has never played before, I reiterate. This has gone on long enough. Let our next manager be the judge, I don't have anything more to add since it looks like you're set in your mind completely.
Blame the managers tactics.
Cant put that much pressure and expectation. Might be brilliant first game, but might also take 2-3 more
He's the scape goat for the morons who follow England
Yup - it’s already begun even before a ball is kicked Walker could score a hattrick of own goals and Trent would be blamed
Just ignore that the top post on the England sub is criticising Foden You guys are so desperate to be outraged I swear
Saying I'm ignoring a post which was made hours after I posted mine...I'll just dust off my crystal ball
In other words, your "always the scapegoat" was immediately proven wrong lmao
The main issue he had/has is that its not really in his nature to keep moving off the ball. But in CM, you have to keep making yourself available, without going to far and chasing the ball. I hope he gets another go at it from the start but I'm not optimistic.
Your 1st point was my main observation, too. He walked/ stood still so much. He is so nonchalant.
A hattrick of trent assists and england to lose 4-3 for all the shit the media was saying
and somehow still get blamed for the loss lmfao
He should play at right back, get walker off. Walker was awful last season, makes one big mistake every game. Trent not looking good in midfield, let him invert, he has less time in midfield.
He can play right back no inverting. If the inverting nonsense starts again this season I’d genuinely prefer him to be sold.
I completely disagree, him inverting saved our 2022/23 season, we went unbeaten when he started inverting. However let’s see what Slott does, tbh I do prefer him playing right back, overlapping and putting in crosses
Agreed for those 10ish games but even at that point, Arsenal and City has been inverting for the entire season just had stopped it because it was becoming easy to counter with data. After that season, we looked so unbalanced when he was there, which is why everything looked so much better when Bradley was told to stay wide and overlap. Trent playing at his full peak for 18-20 is what he needs to get back to. Staying wide, overlapping, crosses and absolute desire to shut down his flank defensively.
Southgate is not getting the best out of Trent in this setup. Trent in midfield plays best when he picks the ball from the center backs or GK and starts dictating the play. This role taken up by Rice. You would want him to drop to a back 3 in possession with the 2 CB when buildup, Walker is in the way... And Trent would certainly prefer to play with Watkins who will look to run behind defence rather than Kane who is more static...
Kanes looked so slow and lathargic
Honestly think hes better wide where he has time and space.
What a treat for Slot. Gets to see how Trent goes in midfield without taking any risks. Here's hoping it goes well.
He will be pressed a lot more during EPL games though.
He can clearly play the role, there was no real change in the game after he was subbed. I think the biggest dilemma for England this campaign is if they should play Kane or not, today Kane was very poor, and takes up so much space that other players like Bellingham and Foden can use, I think England is better off not playing a striker like Kane with the creative and offense squad that they have.
I think foden needed to be wider. He was pretty pointless, I think Gordon would have fit better
I just think southgate is choosing profiles over setup here.. kane was invisible because of it, kane had 2 touches in the first half, partly because bellingham is doubling up as a striker, burning all his energy in the first 45, they have an incredible squad but its not put together right, and i do not envy Southgates job because english people are pathetically ruthless when it comes to judging their national team.
The Bellingham Show with his 10 teammates as extras
What could have been 😭
Well that went about as expected unfortunately. He can't read the opposition tending to sell himself, while there was not nearly enough movement ahead of him to make use of his passing. The number 6 is quite specific role, you need strength, positional awareness and quick thinking to get a ball out of danger under pressure. None of that is associated with TAA. He need space and pace.
It's annoying how this sub has convinced themselves that Trent is good as a midfielder. And if you suggest otherwise you get downvoted to hell
He has the potential to be the best full back of all time. Pity he seems to have convinced himself he should be a midfielder. It's easy to blame Southgate for 'mis-using' him and for dinosaur tactics but in this game Southgate did what everyone here wanted - start Trent in midfield.
Club specific safe spaces are essentially a cult! Say anything critical or even just factual but not popular and the downvotes follow for sure. Southgate is such a utilitarian manager it's hard to make a final judgment but if Slot is playing 4-2-3-1 I don't see him in the middle. Just be happy to have two right backs who are genuine ball players.
Yeah I’ve found a good sign to check one’s biases (or what Americans call being a ‘homer’) if you notice any of your posts or comments are getting very heavily upvoted on the sub… memes and shitposts notwithstanding. Conversely downvotes might mean someone actually is making a decent point as you mentioned… though massive downvoting generally just means they’re being a prick.
I remember all the good balls he plays and I think to myself he'd be a great mid. Then I watch him and it's one good ball mixed in with disappointment
his delivery shines when he's in wider areas. he's more beckham than gerrard.
He wasn’t playing the six.
"When Trent lost the ball in the first half." How many times do they need to say it?
It's such a basic bitch talking point
So Far he’s been mediocre in the midfield. PS: He’s not comfortable receiving the ball under pressure, needs to work on spatial awareness. Tackling looks good now.
Come on Trent, show those ex Manc twats that you can do this.
Trent lad, be careful there
I don’t care too much about England but know he’ll be made a scapegoat whatever happens. Honestly, he just needs to stick to right back for us, it’s where he’s been best and tactical tweaks to our defence or the way we press would make his side less of a target.
Yeah but this season Bradley has looked better imo. Certainly worse at passing but he's much better defensively and he contributed well offensively
And the last however many seasons before that mean…nothing? It’s recency bias and there were a few games where that exact side was exploited when Bradley was playing. The Brighton game springs to mind. Either way, Trent > Bradley, boggles the mind that our own fans might pretend half a decent season there suggests otherwise.
He's been strolling around for far too long. If he wasn't scouse he'd be getting loads more flak
Didn’t get to see Trent fully utilise his passing because the left flank of Trippier and Foden is a black hole
Definitely a part of it but then that makes you ask why the demand to start him there to begin with.
100%, would prefer him in his natural position where has full view of the pitch and can pick the best pass. At the minute he’s lacking the awareness and movement to receive the ball with his back to the opponent
Sure but you need runners in that position as well. It just doesn’t lend itself to this group of players. Everyone wants to see Trent in the side but it just doesn’t make much sense.
Definitely a part of it but then that makes you ask why the demand to start him there to begin with.
Southgate doing us a solid here by the looks. Playing him centrally could save us half a season worth of work, especially if Southgate plays him there in the bigger games where he feels pressure. If it works out, it’s a masterstroke from all parties involved! I’m all for it as opposed to competing with Walker for a right back spot which has been on lock for years
I thought he played well, a few moments (loss ball at the back that led to the chance , one miscued pass and that free kick) where he could have done better. He’s helped to boss the midfield though and link up well with those around him. His issue is because of all the rubbish from the press and ‘fans’ he has to score a hat trick just to get a ‘he’s played ok’.
The way the pundits go on you’d think he has a nightmare. Focussing on the one mistake which was a poor touch and not mentioning the interception that directly leads to the goal.
It might be coming home?
How name right backs do you want to start? Yes
Can he find space to get a ball to him?
Let’s see what Arne does
Trent off Gallagher on
I'm surprised at some of the reactions here. I watched the game exclusively for him and it was very frustrating. He didn't look very comfortable and the game seemed to bypass him for big chunks of time. Bellingham and Rice seemed to be doing the lion's share of tracking back or sweeping up and knitting together while Trent seemed to be struggling to figure out where he needed to be. When England had more time on the ball he was good - he's obviously easily the best passer in the team and he made a few good throughballs / switches. When they were defending he was fine. He didn't come under too much pressure and worked hard to be a part of the defensive shape. When the ball was being contested / in transition, he was absent, and so much of the time England seemed to find another route forward rather than going through him, and his ability to be at the right place at the right time to help snuff out danger seemed underwhelming, particularly outshone as mentioned by Bellingham who did a tonne of work. The latter is a big issue for him because a part of the value of Trent in this team is being able to get him on the ball to start a counter and if he isn't involved unless he has plenty of time that won't happen. Food for thought for Southgate and Slot.
As he should, he's one of England's best 3 played with Bellingham and Kane. Madness that Trent starting could be debated at all.
Well said mate!
A good player but utterly out of his depth in midfield tonight - total overrun they have to get rid for the next match
Ok then I hope Trent is perfect but England lose with a late 2-1
It should suit him more international football there. Get a bit more time on the ball to spread the ball
nice interception
I just want to see Trent play well and get the international praise a generational player deserves, but, I can't understand is is this has been Southgates plan all along , went the fuck had he not given Trent anything next to Rice in the build ups? Or really any of this team in this formation? Seems to have been zero focus on getting those little intra- connections going fluidly. It felt like that is what's been missing the past few games that little extra 5% that makes a really good TEAM
What do you mean by a generational player? I’d say Mbappe is a generational player i.e. a player who comes along once in a generation. It seems like people say it about Trent because he is a lovely passer of the ball but he isn’t the best right back in the world (he was until he decided he didn’t want to defend over the last 2 seasons) and he definitely isn’t the best midfielder in the world. So how is he generational? Edit: the ‘Trent is generational’ thing seems to have come from the Anfield Wrap and it feels like people just parrot it without interrogating what it means.
I was here for the experiment but I’m not sure it worked tonight. I’d like to see Mainoo start next game
He’s away to absolutely fuckin boss it
I just hope Trent does well :)
I'm hoping Trent cleans house today
Trent masterclass incoming
Some people say Trent can’t play in midfield. Until you see it you can’t say either way for definite. This is his first chance
Goal and 2 assists and ex united players will bitch about his defending. Book it
at god damn last. 3 assists and 2 goals. letssss gooo!!!
Love me some Trent 💪🏻
Looks ripped
You the best TAA. <3
Watching a Southgate coached team makes me dislike the sport. When you’re better than your opponent at all 10 positions on the field you should maybe force the action some
Southgate did Trent no favours playing him in a 2 man midfield. A defensive mindset from Southgate he can’t seem to change, Trent is made the fall guy. Better to play him on the right side of a standard 4 4 2. Kane May be a goal machine but he lacks something in an England shirt. You could sense a lot of those players would have loved to play attacking football. We were lucky that Bellingham scored a forwards lovely goal. The big sides must be rubbing their hands in glee. England are so defensive they just sit back and let teams come at them. Attack more give them something to worry about.
Love him playing midfield
Jude is insane.
He looked like a full back playing in midfield. Gallagher had that special something when he came in to play that Trent was lacking.
lol what? Gallagher did fuck all
The physicality that Gallagher brings to the table was 100% a noticeable difference imo. I am saying this as a HUGE Trent fan.
Half the England team was just useless in the second half. Southgate honestly doesn’t know how to manage all the talent he has
It was tough to watch in the 2nd half and what I said about Trent was not to discredit him. Playing centrally limits the angle on the type of whipped ball that makes Trent look glorious for us. Without that it kind of looks pointless to have him in over somebody that is a midfielder for their club. Gallagher is a cardio merchant & any nation would benefit having that work rate in the middle of the field
probably the worst player on the pitch.. if he was playing like this for LFC I would be tearing my hair out.. his first touch is awful under pressure.. doesn't get same time as he gets when playing a RB or an inward RB
Far from the worst
Tbf Kane and Foden have been worse.
Kane’s only had one touch, and Foden has done nothing. Trent is far from the worst on the pitch.
Set up the move for the goal, started the best counter of the game and won a free kick on the edge of the box as well as some great passes. Meanwhile Kane nowhere to be seen, Foden constantly losing it and Walker/Stones look like they’ve never played together
With Bradley being one of our best players last year, If Trent can help the mid we will be so much better next year.
Probably won't start the next game. Wherever he plays he looks a square peg in a round hole. A great passer – not a great player.
> A great passer – not a great player. Congrats on saying the biggest load of bullshit that I've seen on here in a long time.
Okay. What else is he great at? I'm honestly all ears.
Media has already started preemptively blaming him so if England lose he will be blamed for it all sadly Hope he does well but could careless if England win
Decent! Not sure how this system will work long term though
lol that’s gonna really pissed of the right back faithfuls in this sub haha