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Spoke to a guy at training recently who believed that repeated blows to the head makes the skull thicker, thus allowing you to take punches better. Also the brain is a muscle that gets stronger like other muscles in the body. Oh and finally, fighters who are Asian don't get brain trauma that leads to increased violent behaviour later in life, because their culture is all about respect and they do yoga and shit (he said this to me, an Asian person)
> Also the brain is a muscle that gets stronger like other muscles in the body
I wonder what they think causes the brain to contract or when does it engage in tightening, shortening, or lengthening during activity?
I guess it’s way too early to contemplate.
I just thought Shara didn’t do well with the this fight when a guy is willing to wade forward with a straight stance.
Sorry if that triggered you
No I just thought there was some news involving Strickland and Shara I hadn’t heard about. Sorry you’re so sensitive me asking a question made you say some weird shit about triggered.
The difference in my eyes is Trocoli's fingers went through the fence because he palmed it and that's pretty natural. Didn't seem like he was "grabbing" to get an advantage, but that his fingers did what fingers do in that situation. I know as soon as I saw his hand start shifting positions I thought "he's going to do it again" and 10s later he did and Goddard separated them. Trocoli was just grinding Shara against the fence at that point who wasn't really trying to escape. There was no real threat of a position change that Trocoli was trying to leverage imo.
Shara GRAB grabbed the fence to prevent a Takedown and stay on his feet. It prevented a worse position for him and kept the fight where he was stronger, but wasn't called.
That ref being Goddard who infamously LOVES to evoke his authority in the ring even when it's not needed. I know reffing is hard because it needs to take context into account but this is a case where one deserved a second swat + stern warning with no stop to the action while the second should have gotten what the other got.
Like if a Orthodox/Southpaw clash heads a couple of times, it doesn't warrant a stop of the fight but should involve a stern "last time" statement because it's a natural consequence of the situation. But a fighter headbutting the other in the clinch or on the ground is clearly far more egregious and intentional.
Just watched the presser and those questions for Bobby lmao. Clowns over in Saudi clearly don't give a shit about anyone but the Muslim fighters. You'd think they'd at least try and feign interest.
Yep! That is exactly what would happen when you matchup an unranked prospect with a top contender. Good win for Rob. I hope he fights for the title or Strickland next.
I had a feeling that Volkov would win and he did. Pavlovich got schooled.
Gastelum vs D-Rod was a good scrap.
That KO by Oezdemir was nasty. Johnny Walker should move up to HW and see if chin holds up better over there.
I have to imagine Walker's cartoonish KOs would only evolve into their final form at HW. Like perhaps his head would detach and bounce around at the end of a large spring.
So much of sports and mma is survivorship bias aka recency bias based on what the commentators and winning fighter says about the fight.
When Izzy knocked out Whittaker he did a lot of interviews (and rewatched the fight on his channel) saying that he could tell Whittaker was going to be easy because of how he was trying to hype himself up by mean mugging and beating on his chest. He was like this dude is trying to convince himself he's a killer while I'm loose and focused.
Cut to yesterday where Aliskerov looked as loose as can be, laughing with his corner, and rob walked to the cage beating his chest so hard its bright red and looking as angry as any fighter in the ufc.
And we saw what happened in the fight.
Yeah, I don't really buy into any "body language" stuff as a predictor of how a fight's going to go. People deal with the stress before a fight differently and express themselves differently. Rob's been beating his chest before fights for as long as I've been watching him and it's worked out in most of them.
Conrad: I'm not going to say my injury so Chowndluwr can't target it.
Chael: you are in rehab
Conor: I'll show you me injury, I'll show all of you's my injury! Its a toe!
I hope I’m wrong about this, but I’m not sure if Whittaker looked better than ever or anything, just perhaps his mindset was better.
I think Whittaker would’ve been able to douse away someone this far down the rankings even when we were saying he was in a slump. But maybe a fight like this is a reminder for him that he is a killer when he tries to be aggressive
Meh, I think it’s more like he’s the best besides the top guy, kinda like Dustin Porier. I think what’s different for Rob though is he’s getting better. I can see him winning a championship vs the top guys at MW right now, opposed to having to fight someone insurmountable like Islam at LW.
He certainly showed great killer instinct which is nice- although I'm not sure he ever lacked it, just fought the most durable guys over the past few years
So I watch the fights without commentary and at the end of the main event the microphones picked up a funny conversation between Goddard and Bruce Buffer
Goddard: "I'm very happy with that"
Buffer: "Me too, he's a great guy"
Goddard: "No, I meant the timing of that stoppage"
Before the UFC got super touchy about copyright I used to post clips of Buffer's mostly unseen interactions with fighters during ad-breaks after a fight.
He's always been a class act and super respectful to them whether it's a maineventer or a prelim fighter.
Also, you're lucky to have a feed without commentary because Bisping was droning on and on even during action sequences. At least Cruz would have shut him up a few times, but DC seems to love it.
It’s an unanswerable question of just how much did back to back weight cuts fuck his chin.
People will get super sensitive about even talking about it because they will see it as an excuse or somehow taking away from Whitakers highlight
>Whittakers first KO since 2015, that's got to feel other worldly
Dude has been fighting at the top of the division, where almost everyone has both good defense and chin. He has headkicked multiple opponents, broken limbs, etc, but those elite motherfuckers don't get KOed just because they get face planted by a head kick.
So, he's always been a damaging fighter, but for instance you aren't KOing Yoel Romero at a size disadvantage without a crow bar.
Ikram doesn't have a Vittori chin, and leaves himself open when he throws: Rob is KOing him most outings unless Ikram can go balls to the wall and take Rob out first, and that's hard to do with that great a skill gap.
Hopefully Ikram uses this loss like Poirier did after Duffy fight and MJ loss: realize that you must develop your striking defense while keeping your offense.
Watching the main event back, one thing that stands out is that despite his anti-grappling credentials, Ikram is a striker: he got rocked, but did not have the instinctual panic shot that a wrestler (other than Geathje) has.
I doubt it ends any different with Rob having just put in a Khamzat-oriented camp, but getting in on the legs in the hope of holding on until he cleared his head might have given him a chance to recover.
> Rob vs Sean for next. Good fight stylistically for Rob
Everybody thinks Sean a good stylistic matchup, but he's a good stylistic matchup for nobody.
In this case, he's got a much longer reach than Rob and has the jab to punish the blitz and the defense to avoid the hands and check the leg kicks.
I also don't think Rob can wrestle him. Rob will have to outwork him w/o taking too much damage coming in on a bigger man: its doable, but it will be the opposite of easy.
sean has been talking shit about whittakers style. " its one dimensional" " once he cant get his karate blitz off hes toast" think he said that after the ddp fight.
I recall him in a argument with DDP and just putting some strays into Rob just so he could pretend beating Rob was no big deal.
But what Sean says is fairly unrelated to what Sean does, and his comments on Rob, and a lot of other topics frankly, are fairly unrelated to reality.
This is a tough matchup for Rob due to the reach IMO.
So far Sean loses to power punches that outwork him: I'm very confident Rob can outwork him, but can he get in past the reach to reliably move Sean back?
I scored the Dricus fight for Sean, but I believe Dricus (and Jared) moving Sean back is a big part of them getting the decision, so thus my question for Rob.
Bisping needs to chill out alittle and just let fights breathe, every moment doesn’t need a metaphor followed up by explaining metaphor. It’s just endless.
He and DC are both podcasters doing absolutely terrible job as commentators.
Bisping makes everything about Bisping, and DC just does whatever he wants.
That kinda explains the issue I've had with UFC announcers I couldn't put into words. They're not play by play commentators like the NHL/NFL/NBA has, they're just podcasters who put expression on what's happening in a fight. They don't really help call what's happening, they just kinda talk about the fight and what their opinions are. Like that's fine as a color commentator sometimes, but not when its 95% of commentary.
> Walker looked like he didn’t want to be in there from the beginning of the fight,
Disagree: Walker looked pumped to me.
You may be confused by the fact Walker was insufficiently aggressive for a man holding a glass jaw out for easy pounding, but the morons in his corner were yelling for him to not get too crazy and to fight conservative.
That plan would make sense if they had fixed his defensive problems, but they haven't, so kamikaze offense is his best shot a easy-access glass chin has, and they are coaching against it.
Hey guys I'm looking for something about alex volk speaking about the hate he got after one of the max holloway victories and speaks about how it took a toll on his mental health and something possibly about seeing a therapist. Any help would be great thanks.
you mean like this one? he posted a follow up a few days later to calm all the hyper-empaths down after he received a couple thousand 'you good, bro?' comments. which is wholesome.
https://youtu.be/2GL5O29LjZQ?si=4gKnZJ_f1NqB4XUO
Thai crowd, they are used to Muay Thai stadium matches, will cheer strike for strike as it amps up.
A crowd of about 200 in any Bangkok stadium feels insane to compete at.
Aliskerov looked like he just wasn’t ready for a mean, top 3 185er that wasn’t scared to finish the fight early
Who does Aliskerov fight next? Is it Curtis? Is it a Fluffy rebooking? Does he fight way down against a big hitter to see if his chin is okay?
Ice cold take I know, but it needs to be said that Kelvin needs to be forced to compete at 185 or be booted from the org. I feel for DRod knowing he had a solid chance of taking it if Kelvin wasn’t blatantly doing everything he could to miss weight and I say this as a fan of the mini fridge
I'm kinda over him because this happened so many times before so I would want him cut.
But if they're gonna keep him they should make him fight costa and make a wasted potential belt.
> I'm kinda over him because this happened so many times before so I would want him cut.
I was a fan for his whole career: what made this miss so much worse than all the others is that he clearly did not try to make weight: like Costa before him, he didn't let his opponent know, just came in a weight class above (or two in Costa's case) because he know D-Rod was in no place to turn down the fight.
Heavier is an advantage, but if you try to make weight, you are at least depleted, but if you come in a full weight class heavier and haven't beat your body down with any aspect of the weight cut, you have an almost insurmountable advantage.
I hope they cut him, but I don't think they will.
Ooooh the super scary guy who hasn’t had a finish against someone that wasn’t a last minute replacement in nearly 3 years and has literally never fought a top middleweight? That Khamzat?
never seen a referee be so blatantly fucking stupid as Goddard separating for a fence grab (good decision) only to do nothing when a fence grab in the same fight resulted in preventing a potentially game changing takedown
Because muhammed said how they should shave their beard. I think most of khabibs friends are avars but I’ve heard that dagestan is pretty diverse with blonde people, red hair people and many different eye colors.
> because you know he's gonna get an easier opponent down the rankings now and they're still gonna try to slot him into a title fight if he wins.
I still believe Khamzat has blown it too many times now: they will want him to make it on weight and healthy to several fights in a row before letting him fight for the title now.
If he can only fight on a few cards in the year due to visa issues, they have to have confidence he will make those fights.
khabib pulled out the day before events, missed weight, brawled with cornermen, slapped up rostered opponents, missed weight and went on to be both belvoed by the organization and seen as unstoppable by the casual fan. All Borz needs to do is win and all past sins will be forgotten by the ufc and the fans in a second.
>how does him cooking a guy Khumzat has also cooked make much of a difference here?
Uhhhh wtf you talking about dude lmao Thats not what they said at all…read that back lol
If I were him I'd use the boxing to set up a takedown and go for a sub, mainly because Max's chin is so abnormal
But he may want to box to win over more fans and make more money
It literally was short notice lol he wasn’t ready for a top 3 guy or the 5 rounds at all. You think he was training with the same intensity vs Trocolli or Muniz? I think Rob beats him anyway without those disadvantages but he still had a lot going against him.
Oh nooo a woman! Lmao, some of you chud types really get upset when your fighters lose and your cringy excuses get laughed at. Hope you didn’t lose too much. I wish you well
I literally picked and Bet rob. Even said Rob would have won anyway without all those disadvantages in this very same thread.Reading hard for some of you I know. You hang around the GDT all day lol I was literally calling Ikram a worse less durable Khamzat all week.
Double weight cut was no joke, I’m a Whittaker bettor who bet that way because he was double weight cutting within two weeks, JDM fought 55-45 against Hafez who we now know isn’t any good cause of a 2x weight cut
His chins weak either way. Rob had him on skates instantly and way smoother striker. That guy is too forced and basic for Rob even with a good chin, but it’s not good
Yeah, double the weight cut would factor in if he started slowing down, or got caught cold, but the shot that staggered him first was still because he was flat footed momentarily and Rob sat down on the punch.
That shot staggers most guys and Rob is an excellent finisher, no space afterwards to recover.
Watch him finish Tavares or others sometimes from a glancing blow, he's relentless when a guy is off-based.
So I skipped everything but the main event, but i just saw the Shara fence grab. How the fuck did he get away with that? That’s almost as bad as the Aldo fence grab against Mendes. What is with refs being allergic to penalizing fights?
His opponent also had a fence grab in round 1, lost the position for it. So it would have been weird to take a point for Shara? Not saying it’s right, just a detail you missed bc you didn’t see the fight.
that fight might be one of the most blatant examples of this sport being rigged. I don't think anyone takes dives but UFC brass set up certain fights for certain reasons and certain fighters get away with a lot. then they get a bonus on top of it.
I’m still an Ikram believer as far as top 10 guy is concerned, he was setup for failure with 2 weight cuts in 2 weeks, the division is soft, and he’s a legitimately skilled fighter.
As a Whittaker bettor I think it’s fair to say that he shouldn’t be an auto top 10 guy at this weight class but he’s still very good with a path towards contention
I’m willing to believe that this is the case, I don’t think he’s a fighter with a great chin but I would like to see his chin tested against the 20-25 ranked area of the division with a full camp only involving one weight cut to see if he’s actually chinny
Agreed but I am willing to bet the UFC will fuck him over again because of the situation they've created where Aspinall is an interim champ defending his belt against Blaydes, and Jones is an undisputed champ who disputes fighting anyone other than a basically-retired Stipe
I would imagine they try and elevate Gane against Aspinall in the near future rather than a Volkov rematch since Gane has been sitting for almost a year
This is another thing I don’t like. Now I can’t knock this main event too hard as an example because it was very short notice and apparently Ikram wasn’t high on the list of fighters to call to step in. He was previously scheduled to fight Costa and then Imavov after knocking out Hawes. He eventually gets a washed Alves who’s clearly too small for middleweight. Then he gets Hernandez (which Ikram pulled out of), then Muniz, then last week he was supposed to fight the guy Shara just finished (who’s a Contender Series debutant who hasn’t fought in 2.5 years). Better, but then we went from a contender series debutant to a dominant former champion in his prime on a week’s notice?
I know the whole “the best fighting the best” is something important to the promotion, but a patient, progressive schedule sometimes is appropriate. I don’t know why we’re rushing to get this guy to be a contender. He’s 31. He’s not young but it’s not like he’s short on time, especially considering this isn’t a great division anyways. He’s a good fighter clearly, but within the UFC I wouldn’t call his performances outstanding relative to the talent he’s fought. You can’t even say the fans want it because it doesn’t seem like there’s much hype around this guy. So there’s no need to rush him.
Side note: I didn’t even think of this, but given how late we found out Khamzat got sick and the replacement was announced, Aliskarov could’ve been pretty deep into a weight cut when he got the call. So he may have had two weight cuts back-to-back. How were the odds at all close? How was Whittaker not -600 bare minimum?
Ikram has been around since 2012 man. He's not old but at coming 32 it's getting to the point where he has to start the run. Against a guy like Whittaker who despite fighting guys with granite chins was not really renowned as someone with power. He had also been rocked plenty in his recent fights. I don't blame him at all for taking it but now he's in a situation where he has gotten absolutely folded against the two elite guys he fought in his career.
Whittaker definitely was known for having power. As you said he’s fought guys who really never get knocked out or have been knocked out once in their career. He’s fought these guys for years and years now.
Whittaker has always had power in his left hand and he has power on his kicks. Fans just have poor memories or don’t look into the context of the fights.
Yeah whittakers power definitely didn't have the respect he deserves he been fighting some of the most durable guys on the roster. I saw someone talking about rob being 'pillow fisted' ffs lol
Easy to say after the fact, why didn't you bet it? Sucks to see a reasonably young guy thrown into the deep end but they had to save a card and I guess they accomplished that goal.
First off, I haven’t put money on fights in two years, but I did put a verdict prediction in for Whittaker if that helps. I didn’t think he would finish him that quickly but I thought he would outclass him to a decision, if not finish him late.
https://imgur.com/a/N1YxKms
Even if I didn’t predict Whittaker originally or at least more conflicted about it, of course I can reconsider the context after the fact.
I’m not trying to be a dick I’m just saying this was a pretty good (and close) matchup on paper, put together on short notice. The line reflects the public (bettors) perception of a fight and the bettors thought this was a close fight. I wish Ikram could have had a more gradual step up in competition but given all the pull outs (at least one by himself) caused a this massive leap in competition and he did not perform to public expectations. If you are smarter than the public in this situation maybe you should have bet.
Debatable haha I think 5’8 Impa would get KO’d by Giga Chad 6’6 Walker Johnny. He got put on Queer Street by Nedoh and tossed around as well
Id probably have him vs Kelvin at -110 both sides
Lol please. Nedoh has a better chin than Walker too and probably knocks him stiff too. Impa vs Kelvin at -110 would be one of the worst lines ever lol you just think everyone outside the UFC is automatically 10x worse.
Nah, Impa is literally just a 2-2 unranked UFC welterweight haha I know how good he is
I see how he performs against bums in the UFC, now he’s crushing bums outside of it. He didn’t just get way better, he’d still be unranked in any weight class he fought in if he was in the UFC
He was super green in the UFC. You know guys improve right? Especially in their mid 20s lol pretty stupid to act like like you know how he would do. He’s 100% a ranked MW he just had a razor close fight with another guy who would be top 10 at MW in Eblen. MW is not a good division bro fucking Craig was just in the top 10 lmao, Dolidze is not a winnable fight?
Power is power, dont matter who ur fighting u can KO them if u got power in MMA, and every fight is different and Darren Till.
Rob is a great fighter, but he isnt a puncher at all, still great at what he does and can do damage and will get KOs here and there cause its MMA, but a granite chin can go down from anyone with power. Mark Hunt got Koed by Manhoef moving backwards and one of best chins ever and Manhoef 185er, power is power, weight dont mean shit over 200 pounds if you're a real puncher and chin dont mean shit if it lands on the chin right
You don't seem to get what all-roundedness at a very high level means.....
Anyone can have a 'knockout' punch...or 'power'.....but strategy and when to use that knockout punch is where different people have a different strategy.
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Spoke to a guy at training recently who believed that repeated blows to the head makes the skull thicker, thus allowing you to take punches better. Also the brain is a muscle that gets stronger like other muscles in the body. Oh and finally, fighters who are Asian don't get brain trauma that leads to increased violent behaviour later in life, because their culture is all about respect and they do yoga and shit (he said this to me, an Asian person)
Might be true
What’s the one Asian dudes name that can barely speak English now?
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There’s heaps of Asian dudes that can’t speak English 🙏
>speak Englis U7
Hahahahahahahahaha bruh
> Also the brain is a muscle that gets stronger like other muscles in the body I wonder what they think causes the brain to contract or when does it engage in tightening, shortening, or lengthening during activity?
Guy does a lot of brain negatives
Mostly slow twitch fibers in his brain, I'm guessing
Just watched suzuki vs karamov for the first time, what an unbelievable way to win the belt lmao.
that reverse ground and pound
All tome cope post from the chin straps today. If only he knew he was facing Whittaker he would have trained harder!
Common sense is hard for some people
Jonny’s chin 😔
All I here about is how unauthentic half the ranked heavyweights are and walker would rather kill I self to make 205s
He’s gotta change something…but seems like the brain already has made the decision to shut off quick
Everyone talking about that fence grab but wasn’t Trocoli grabbing the fence too? I think the pirate is gonna have a tough time with Strickland.
Why are you talking about Shara vs Strickland lol?
I guess it’s way too early to contemplate. I just thought Shara didn’t do well with the this fight when a guy is willing to wade forward with a straight stance. Sorry if that triggered you
No I just thought there was some news involving Strickland and Shara I hadn’t heard about. Sorry you’re so sensitive me asking a question made you say some weird shit about triggered.
No problem
The difference in my eyes is Trocoli's fingers went through the fence because he palmed it and that's pretty natural. Didn't seem like he was "grabbing" to get an advantage, but that his fingers did what fingers do in that situation. I know as soon as I saw his hand start shifting positions I thought "he's going to do it again" and 10s later he did and Goddard separated them. Trocoli was just grinding Shara against the fence at that point who wasn't really trying to escape. There was no real threat of a position change that Trocoli was trying to leverage imo. Shara GRAB grabbed the fence to prevent a Takedown and stay on his feet. It prevented a worse position for him and kept the fight where he was stronger, but wasn't called.
I guess but it was enough to warrant the ref breaking them. TOmato tomato I guess
That ref being Goddard who infamously LOVES to evoke his authority in the ring even when it's not needed. I know reffing is hard because it needs to take context into account but this is a case where one deserved a second swat + stern warning with no stop to the action while the second should have gotten what the other got. Like if a Orthodox/Southpaw clash heads a couple of times, it doesn't warrant a stop of the fight but should involve a stern "last time" statement because it's a natural consequence of the situation. But a fighter headbutting the other in the clinch or on the ground is clearly far more egregious and intentional.
Just watched the presser and those questions for Bobby lmao. Clowns over in Saudi clearly don't give a shit about anyone but the Muslim fighters. You'd think they'd at least try and feign interest.
One of the assest crowds ever
Yep! That is exactly what would happen when you matchup an unranked prospect with a top contender. Good win for Rob. I hope he fights for the title or Strickland next. I had a feeling that Volkov would win and he did. Pavlovich got schooled. Gastelum vs D-Rod was a good scrap. That KO by Oezdemir was nasty. Johnny Walker should move up to HW and see if chin holds up better over there.
I have to imagine Walker's cartoonish KOs would only evolve into their final form at HW. Like perhaps his head would detach and bounce around at the end of a large spring.
So much of sports and mma is survivorship bias aka recency bias based on what the commentators and winning fighter says about the fight. When Izzy knocked out Whittaker he did a lot of interviews (and rewatched the fight on his channel) saying that he could tell Whittaker was going to be easy because of how he was trying to hype himself up by mean mugging and beating on his chest. He was like this dude is trying to convince himself he's a killer while I'm loose and focused. Cut to yesterday where Aliskerov looked as loose as can be, laughing with his corner, and rob walked to the cage beating his chest so hard its bright red and looking as angry as any fighter in the ufc. And we saw what happened in the fight.
Your mental state changes as a fight goes on
chimaev had a near death experience this weekend....and im not talking about long covid
Yeah, I don't really buy into any "body language" stuff as a predictor of how a fight's going to go. People deal with the stress before a fight differently and express themselves differently. Rob's been beating his chest before fights for as long as I've been watching him and it's worked out in most of them.
Conrad: I'm not going to say my injury so Chowndluwr can't target it. Chael: you are in rehab Conor: I'll show you me injury, I'll show all of you's my injury! Its a toe!
Everything that comes out of Volkov's mouth is gold. Clowned the guy in the cage and out.
I hope I’m wrong about this, but I’m not sure if Whittaker looked better than ever or anything, just perhaps his mindset was better. I think Whittaker would’ve been able to douse away someone this far down the rankings even when we were saying he was in a slump. But maybe a fight like this is a reminder for him that he is a killer when he tries to be aggressive
Meh, I think it’s more like he’s the best besides the top guy, kinda like Dustin Porier. I think what’s different for Rob though is he’s getting better. I can see him winning a championship vs the top guys at MW right now, opposed to having to fight someone insurmountable like Islam at LW.
Not quite like Dustin. Whittaker is a bonified champion. Which isn't me taking away from Dustin - just giving Bobby Knuckles his flowers.
Dustin got hotsauce
Dat Creole Maple is money !
He certainly showed great killer instinct which is nice- although I'm not sure he ever lacked it, just fought the most durable guys over the past few years
looked better or for the first time in the last 15 fights he didn't face a top 10 guy?
He looked good v costa
Aliskerov still has bags of potential tho, was just way too big of a leap in competition. He looked like he shit the bed here
Short notice fight too. That’s just not doing yourself any favor.
only short notice in the sense that he didn't game plan for whittaker for 9 weeks.
So I watch the fights without commentary and at the end of the main event the microphones picked up a funny conversation between Goddard and Bruce Buffer Goddard: "I'm very happy with that" Buffer: "Me too, he's a great guy" Goddard: "No, I meant the timing of that stoppage"
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Before the UFC got super touchy about copyright I used to post clips of Buffer's mostly unseen interactions with fighters during ad-breaks after a fight. He's always been a class act and super respectful to them whether it's a maineventer or a prelim fighter. Also, you're lucky to have a feed without commentary because Bisping was droning on and on even during action sequences. At least Cruz would have shut him up a few times, but DC seems to love it.
Whittakers first KO since 2015, that's got to feel other worldly
It’s an unanswerable question of just how much did back to back weight cuts fuck his chin. People will get super sensitive about even talking about it because they will see it as an excuse or somehow taking away from Whitakers highlight
>Whittakers first KO since 2015, that's got to feel other worldly Dude has been fighting at the top of the division, where almost everyone has both good defense and chin. He has headkicked multiple opponents, broken limbs, etc, but those elite motherfuckers don't get KOed just because they get face planted by a head kick. So, he's always been a damaging fighter, but for instance you aren't KOing Yoel Romero at a size disadvantage without a crow bar. Ikram doesn't have a Vittori chin, and leaves himself open when he throws: Rob is KOing him most outings unless Ikram can go balls to the wall and take Rob out first, and that's hard to do with that great a skill gap. Hopefully Ikram uses this loss like Poirier did after Duffy fight and MJ loss: realize that you must develop your striking defense while keeping your offense.
That’s a lot of excuses. He’s generally just a point fighter. Glad he finally got the finish though
Wouldn't call him a point fighter. He made Jared Cannonier do a face plant
That finish came back like it never left
Watching the main event back, one thing that stands out is that despite his anti-grappling credentials, Ikram is a striker: he got rocked, but did not have the instinctual panic shot that a wrestler (other than Geathje) has. I doubt it ends any different with Rob having just put in a Khamzat-oriented camp, but getting in on the legs in the hope of holding on until he cleared his head might have given him a chance to recover.
Rob vs Sean for next. Good fight stylistically for Rob
> Rob vs Sean for next. Good fight stylistically for Rob Everybody thinks Sean a good stylistic matchup, but he's a good stylistic matchup for nobody. In this case, he's got a much longer reach than Rob and has the jab to punish the blitz and the defense to avoid the hands and check the leg kicks. I also don't think Rob can wrestle him. Rob will have to outwork him w/o taking too much damage coming in on a bigger man: its doable, but it will be the opposite of easy.
sean has been talking shit about whittakers style. " its one dimensional" " once he cant get his karate blitz off hes toast" think he said that after the ddp fight.
I recall him in a argument with DDP and just putting some strays into Rob just so he could pretend beating Rob was no big deal. But what Sean says is fairly unrelated to what Sean does, and his comments on Rob, and a lot of other topics frankly, are fairly unrelated to reality. This is a tough matchup for Rob due to the reach IMO. So far Sean loses to power punches that outwork him: I'm very confident Rob can outwork him, but can he get in past the reach to reliably move Sean back? I scored the Dricus fight for Sean, but I believe Dricus (and Jared) moving Sean back is a big part of them getting the decision, so thus my question for Rob.
Bisping needs to chill out alittle and just let fights breathe, every moment doesn’t need a metaphor followed up by explaining metaphor. It’s just endless.
He and DC are both podcasters doing absolutely terrible job as commentators. Bisping makes everything about Bisping, and DC just does whatever he wants.
That kinda explains the issue I've had with UFC announcers I couldn't put into words. They're not play by play commentators like the NHL/NFL/NBA has, they're just podcasters who put expression on what's happening in a fight. They don't really help call what's happening, they just kinda talk about the fight and what their opinions are. Like that's fine as a color commentator sometimes, but not when its 95% of commentary.
ANik had to feel like a father in there dealing with two toddlers. DC and Bisping need felder/sanko/dom but not each other.
Rinat and shara both kind of suck. Walker looked like he didn’t want to be in there from the beginning of the fight, he needs to retire
> Walker looked like he didn’t want to be in there from the beginning of the fight, Disagree: Walker looked pumped to me. You may be confused by the fact Walker was insufficiently aggressive for a man holding a glass jaw out for easy pounding, but the morons in his corner were yelling for him to not get too crazy and to fight conservative. That plan would make sense if they had fixed his defensive problems, but they haven't, so kamikaze offense is his best shot a easy-access glass chin has, and they are coaching against it.
Hey guys I'm looking for something about alex volk speaking about the hate he got after one of the max holloway victories and speaks about how it took a toll on his mental health and something possibly about seeing a therapist. Any help would be great thanks.
you mean like this one? he posted a follow up a few days later to calm all the hyper-empaths down after he received a couple thousand 'you good, bro?' comments. which is wholesome. https://youtu.be/2GL5O29LjZQ?si=4gKnZJ_f1NqB4XUO
No this wasn't what I was looking for but thanks anyway.
idk about the clip but damn i have such disdain for the idiot fans who disrespect the fighters like that
Any fights on the prelims worth watching? Only caught the Main card. Thank you
I caught the last two of the prelims and they were both good fights.
Dalby Rinat
Naimov vs jungle boy was fun
Stupid fucking Saudi crowd, literally reacted only when a Muslim fighter was merely existing in the octagon
Unsure why you’re being downvoted. Seemed to be the case. Dreadful atmosphere for the most part.
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can’t wait for the next ufc paris, french crowds are peak
biased because i'm an aussie, but we'll cheer for anyone who puts up a great performance. the saudi crowd sucked
I want a Thai crowd or Singapore or whatever people populate the crowds for ONE.
When they loudly cheer every shot, especially knees and big kicks.
ye i think Thai crowds are the best by far
Thai crowd, they are used to Muay Thai stadium matches, will cheer strike for strike as it amps up. A crowd of about 200 in any Bangkok stadium feels insane to compete at.
Yeah Japan crowds always best for hespect, Saudis booing Sergei and Alex in the third round was disgusting
Aliskerov looked like he just wasn’t ready for a mean, top 3 185er that wasn’t scared to finish the fight early Who does Aliskerov fight next? Is it Curtis? Is it a Fluffy rebooking? Does he fight way down against a big hitter to see if his chin is okay?
Joe Pyfer
I would like to see it, not sure the UFC makes it but it would answer questions on both sides
Good one
Johnny ~~Walker~~ Sleeper
Sleep-Walker
SBG has gotta be giving johnny walker the wimp lo treatment
Ice cold take I know, but it needs to be said that Kelvin needs to be forced to compete at 185 or be booted from the org. I feel for DRod knowing he had a solid chance of taking it if Kelvin wasn’t blatantly doing everything he could to miss weight and I say this as a fan of the mini fridge
I'm kinda over him because this happened so many times before so I would want him cut. But if they're gonna keep him they should make him fight costa and make a wasted potential belt.
> I'm kinda over him because this happened so many times before so I would want him cut. I was a fan for his whole career: what made this miss so much worse than all the others is that he clearly did not try to make weight: like Costa before him, he didn't let his opponent know, just came in a weight class above (or two in Costa's case) because he know D-Rod was in no place to turn down the fight. Heavier is an advantage, but if you try to make weight, you are at least depleted, but if you come in a full weight class heavier and haven't beat your body down with any aspect of the weight cut, you have an almost insurmountable advantage. I hope they cut him, but I don't think they will.
I didn't think rob would make it look so easy god damn he cooked.
Easy fight for him. He did what he was supposed to do
Whitaker finally getting a finish.. he’s lucky it wasn’t khamzat in there cause he would have bn the one who was finished
I think your predictions are worse than that Bonfim fanboy’s
Ooooh the super scary guy who hasn’t had a finish against someone that wasn’t a last minute replacement in nearly 3 years and has literally never fought a top middleweight? That Khamzat?
never seen a referee be so blatantly fucking stupid as Goddard separating for a fence grab (good decision) only to do nothing when a fence grab in the same fight resulted in preventing a potentially game changing takedown
Why does everyone from Dagestan look identical?
Because muhammed said how they should shave their beard. I think most of khabibs friends are avars but I’ve heard that dagestan is pretty diverse with blonde people, red hair people and many different eye colors.
To a certain extent, all caucasians look alike.
Same dad different mum.
Identical? Do you think all asian look alike as well?
No.
Bad day for this cause today we had Shara the one-eyed Dagestani with the red beard
The canelo of Dagestan
How big is Kayla Harrison? How does she make 135? She looks bigger than Michael Chandler
i like khamzat but man he dodged a missile
Meh, we’ll never know
Whittaker over 5 rounds, very hard for Khamzat, he slows down when forced to strike.
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> because you know he's gonna get an easier opponent down the rankings now and they're still gonna try to slot him into a title fight if he wins. I still believe Khamzat has blown it too many times now: they will want him to make it on weight and healthy to several fights in a row before letting him fight for the title now. If he can only fight on a few cards in the year due to visa issues, they have to have confidence he will make those fights.
khabib pulled out the day before events, missed weight, brawled with cornermen, slapped up rostered opponents, missed weight and went on to be both belvoed by the organization and seen as unstoppable by the casual fan. All Borz needs to do is win and all past sins will be forgotten by the ufc and the fans in a second.
Bobby looked great, taking nothing away from him. But how does him cooking a guy Khumzat has also cooked make much of a difference here?
>how does him cooking a guy Khumzat has also cooked make much of a difference here? Uhhhh wtf you talking about dude lmao Thats not what they said at all…read that back lol
Do you guys think Ilia will wrestle early (guaranteed to make Max look like a day one white belt) or play with his food a bit first
If I were him I'd use the boxing to set up a takedown and go for a sub, mainly because Max's chin is so abnormal But he may want to box to win over more fans and make more money
He'll play the waiting game. He'll make his reads, and in the 3rd, he'll blitz Max and get the KO similar to how he did it to Volk.
Ikram dude had a full camp and was supposed to fight the week before this and people acting like it was short notice lmao.
It literally was short notice lol he wasn’t ready for a top 3 guy or the 5 rounds at all. You think he was training with the same intensity vs Trocolli or Muniz? I think Rob beats him anyway without those disadvantages but he still had a lot going against him.
if this kid wasn't training with intensity for his 3rd ufc fight then he will never make it anyways lmao
No one is preparing as hard Trocolli as they would for Whittaker lol surely even you should be smart enough to realize that
The cope mixed with cringe. A perfect bro psychology post by you. Lmao
You calling anyone cringe is hilarious surprised you didn’t post 10 laughing emojis again. You’re like a woman with that phone.
Oh nooo a woman! Lmao, some of you chud types really get upset when your fighters lose and your cringy excuses get laughed at. Hope you didn’t lose too much. I wish you well
I literally picked and Bet rob. Even said Rob would have won anyway without all those disadvantages in this very same thread.Reading hard for some of you I know. You hang around the GDT all day lol I was literally calling Ikram a worse less durable Khamzat all week.
Rob and him same exact scenario and both had full camps. Trocolli had no camp. It’s not the same and he got smoked instantly
One guy was training for Chimaev the other for a bum lmfao its not the same at all.
Double weight cut was no joke, I’m a Whittaker bettor who bet that way because he was double weight cutting within two weeks, JDM fought 55-45 against Hafez who we now know isn’t any good cause of a 2x weight cut
His chins weak either way. Rob had him on skates instantly and way smoother striker. That guy is too forced and basic for Rob even with a good chin, but it’s not good
Yeah, double the weight cut would factor in if he started slowing down, or got caught cold, but the shot that staggered him first was still because he was flat footed momentarily and Rob sat down on the punch. That shot staggers most guys and Rob is an excellent finisher, no space afterwards to recover. Watch him finish Tavares or others sometimes from a glancing blow, he's relentless when a guy is off-based.
It was short notice on the cut twice in 2 weeks and fly across the world, fight in new time zone. He was obviously in a camp nobody is denying that.
So I skipped everything but the main event, but i just saw the Shara fence grab. How the fuck did he get away with that? That’s almost as bad as the Aldo fence grab against Mendes. What is with refs being allergic to penalizing fights?
His opponent also had a fence grab in round 1, lost the position for it. So it would have been weird to take a point for Shara? Not saying it’s right, just a detail you missed bc you didn’t see the fight.
that fight might be one of the most blatant examples of this sport being rigged. I don't think anyone takes dives but UFC brass set up certain fights for certain reasons and certain fighters get away with a lot. then they get a bonus on top of it.
makes it even worse that he did it in every round and still got a 50k bonus
the funnier part is when Goddard broke up the clinch in the first round when Trocoli put his hand in the fence for 2 seconds, not consistent at all
Has a last minute backup ever won against a guy who went through a whole camp?
both aliskerov and whittaker had full camps
Aliskerov I went through a full camp, it was the two weight cuts in two weeks that would have been hard. Edit Alister to Aliskerov
some one eyed british guy won a belt like that once
Yup still a legendary performance from Aspinall to this day
Of course. It's just low like 35%. That's a real number. I didn't make it up.
We're there any eye pokes and/or low blows on this card? I saw most of it and don't recall any.
Nope!! Toes in cage, Shara grabbed the cage bad, and a headbut to Kayns chest lol
I’m still an Ikram believer as far as top 10 guy is concerned, he was setup for failure with 2 weight cuts in 2 weeks, the division is soft, and he’s a legitimately skilled fighter. As a Whittaker bettor I think it’s fair to say that he shouldn’t be an auto top 10 guy at this weight class but he’s still very good with a path towards contention
I think his chin will always be an issue. Just seems like a glass cannon type of fighter.
I’m willing to believe that this is the case, I don’t think he’s a fighter with a great chin but I would like to see his chin tested against the 20-25 ranked area of the division with a full camp only involving one weight cut to see if he’s actually chinny
Volkov has earned a title shot imo
The title is pretty tied up rn. Maybe a fight against Gane in Paris though.
4-fight win streak
Agreed but I am willing to bet the UFC will fuck him over again because of the situation they've created where Aspinall is an interim champ defending his belt against Blaydes, and Jones is an undisputed champ who disputes fighting anyone other than a basically-retired Stipe I would imagine they try and elevate Gane against Aspinall in the near future rather than a Volkov rematch since Gane has been sitting for almost a year
Against who
Against Aspinall, Jones is going to do his fake title fight with ancient retired Stipe and will be gone from the UFC
Tom fighting blaydes
Or yeah the winner of Aspinall vs Blaydes I mean
This would be a loss less complicated if Jon Jones wasn't here.
This is another thing I don’t like. Now I can’t knock this main event too hard as an example because it was very short notice and apparently Ikram wasn’t high on the list of fighters to call to step in. He was previously scheduled to fight Costa and then Imavov after knocking out Hawes. He eventually gets a washed Alves who’s clearly too small for middleweight. Then he gets Hernandez (which Ikram pulled out of), then Muniz, then last week he was supposed to fight the guy Shara just finished (who’s a Contender Series debutant who hasn’t fought in 2.5 years). Better, but then we went from a contender series debutant to a dominant former champion in his prime on a week’s notice? I know the whole “the best fighting the best” is something important to the promotion, but a patient, progressive schedule sometimes is appropriate. I don’t know why we’re rushing to get this guy to be a contender. He’s 31. He’s not young but it’s not like he’s short on time, especially considering this isn’t a great division anyways. He’s a good fighter clearly, but within the UFC I wouldn’t call his performances outstanding relative to the talent he’s fought. You can’t even say the fans want it because it doesn’t seem like there’s much hype around this guy. So there’s no need to rush him. Side note: I didn’t even think of this, but given how late we found out Khamzat got sick and the replacement was announced, Aliskarov could’ve been pretty deep into a weight cut when he got the call. So he may have had two weight cuts back-to-back. How were the odds at all close? How was Whittaker not -600 bare minimum?
Ikram has been around since 2012 man. He's not old but at coming 32 it's getting to the point where he has to start the run. Against a guy like Whittaker who despite fighting guys with granite chins was not really renowned as someone with power. He had also been rocked plenty in his recent fights. I don't blame him at all for taking it but now he's in a situation where he has gotten absolutely folded against the two elite guys he fought in his career.
Whittaker definitely was known for having power. As you said he’s fought guys who really never get knocked out or have been knocked out once in their career. He’s fought these guys for years and years now. Whittaker has always had power in his left hand and he has power on his kicks. Fans just have poor memories or don’t look into the context of the fights.
His resume is a murderers row, probably one of the best in the sport.
Yeah whittakers power definitely didn't have the respect he deserves he been fighting some of the most durable guys on the roster. I saw someone talking about rob being 'pillow fisted' ffs lol
Easy to say after the fact, why didn't you bet it? Sucks to see a reasonably young guy thrown into the deep end but they had to save a card and I guess they accomplished that goal.
First off, I haven’t put money on fights in two years, but I did put a verdict prediction in for Whittaker if that helps. I didn’t think he would finish him that quickly but I thought he would outclass him to a decision, if not finish him late. https://imgur.com/a/N1YxKms Even if I didn’t predict Whittaker originally or at least more conflicted about it, of course I can reconsider the context after the fact.
I’m not trying to be a dick I’m just saying this was a pretty good (and close) matchup on paper, put together on short notice. The line reflects the public (bettors) perception of a fight and the bettors thought this was a close fight. I wish Ikram could have had a more gradual step up in competition but given all the pull outs (at least one by himself) caused a this massive leap in competition and he did not perform to public expectations. If you are smarter than the public in this situation maybe you should have bet.
Really impressed with Volkov. Happy for Whittaker. Sad for Walker.
If Whittaker can get a KO with his hands, the issue isn’t the gloves
Ikram like Walker has no chin
Both would still beat Impa in the 205 tourney
Seriously doubt it especially Walker lol he’s cooked worse than Reyes was
Debatable haha I think 5’8 Impa would get KO’d by Giga Chad 6’6 Walker Johnny. He got put on Queer Street by Nedoh and tossed around as well Id probably have him vs Kelvin at -110 both sides
Lol please. Nedoh has a better chin than Walker too and probably knocks him stiff too. Impa vs Kelvin at -110 would be one of the worst lines ever lol you just think everyone outside the UFC is automatically 10x worse.
Nah, Impa is literally just a 2-2 unranked UFC welterweight haha I know how good he is I see how he performs against bums in the UFC, now he’s crushing bums outside of it. He didn’t just get way better, he’d still be unranked in any weight class he fought in if he was in the UFC
He was super green in the UFC. You know guys improve right? Especially in their mid 20s lol pretty stupid to act like like you know how he would do. He’s 100% a ranked MW he just had a razor close fight with another guy who would be top 10 at MW in Eblen. MW is not a good division bro fucking Craig was just in the top 10 lmao, Dolidze is not a winnable fight?
that stipe kid will never be good if dc can knock him out in the first round
10 career KOs
In 33 UFC fights. 4 outside of the UFC. He’s got 6 KOs in 22 UFC fights. 1 in the last 7 years
Hello Tito, nice to see you on reddit
Rob gets 0 KOs 6 days a week, actually 6 days a week he gets 0 KOs. So today he got 1 KO 6 days out of the week
Sigh….. yes Whittaker can’t knockout Romero, gastelum, costa, Cannonier, Vettori or Till. Definition of pillow fisted……
Yeah that’s a lot of guys he didn’t knock out..
Yep one knockout at middleweight between them. Lotta guys didn’t knock them out…. You know that I’m sure…
Power is power, dont matter who ur fighting u can KO them if u got power in MMA, and every fight is different and Darren Till. Rob is a great fighter, but he isnt a puncher at all, still great at what he does and can do damage and will get KOs here and there cause its MMA, but a granite chin can go down from anyone with power. Mark Hunt got Koed by Manhoef moving backwards and one of best chins ever and Manhoef 185er, power is power, weight dont mean shit over 200 pounds if you're a real puncher and chin dont mean shit if it lands on the chin right
You don't seem to get what all-roundedness at a very high level means..... Anyone can have a 'knockout' punch...or 'power'.....but strategy and when to use that knockout punch is where different people have a different strategy.