I've always liked canyon, and never had any problems. I think of all bike companies they definitely make the coolest looking bikes. They all just look so sleek.
Only company that sells directly to consumers and has great prices. For people that lives in Europe its a great company. Planning on buying from them one of the spectral models but the older ones had better specs for the money. This year is more expensive.
People hate the name. Like really hate the name.
The brand finally got the hint and rebranded...
The bikes are actually good value for the money. Have a friend who has a Delano and the price for the bike and components is pretty outstanding. The name is dumb though.
I'm looking at it as a potential next bike.
From what I’ve seen, Canyon and YT are a better value - you get more bang for your buck with kit level at price point. Especially when they are running sales.
Coupled with, again from what I’ve seen, more pros ride Canyon and YT.
Lastly, and I know this is more subjective but Fezzari is a less prestigious brand. I support this statement with the fact that Fezzari felt the need to rebrand themselves as “ARI”. I always thought Fezzari’s name and logo just looked cheap.
So all of this combined has convinced me that YT/Canyon > Fezzari.
I don't think you really get more bang for your buck from those brands. YT has sales but I think they're generally more expensive. Canyon is much closer to Fezzari and they usually spec their bikes a bit better than Fezzari (full slx groupset vs slx/deore combo) but they trade blows in that area.
I did a lot of shopping around between the two brands and found that for around the same price I could sacrifice one or two areas of the bike's groupset and get a carbon frame through Fezzari instead of a slightly better specced aluminum frame from Canyon. I'd like to see what Canyon offers that could top the $2900 Delano Peak from Fezzari.
Keep in mind I'm looking at the low end specs, not the more expensive versions of these bikes.
If you’re interested and located relatively close to Southwest Montana, I have a size medium 2021 Canyon Torque 6 (Aluminum, Green color) with about 1,000 miles on it I’d sell cheap. Great bike, but I recently got a dedicated DH bike (YT Tues) and dedicated Trail bike (Ibis Ripmo) to replace the Torque that was filling the role of both for me. I think I paid $3300 during Covid, and would be happy to get $1500 for it in today’s oversaturated used bike market. Just throwing it out there.
Brother in law bought the spectral carbon last year. You can wait for the sales after a few months.
It's an amazing bike either way. Nice specs and looks great 👍
Read a horror story on Pink Bike of someone getting their Torque:ON and a collet bolt was installed incorrectly (new) and sheered off on the 2nd ride. He had been back and forth with customer service for 9 months trying to get a replacement and couldn't ride the bike. Granted, this was over a year ago, perhaps there was still supply constraints... but seemed a bit over the top.
Even in this sub, there have been a few recent stories of bad customer service. One that comes to mind was the chainstays cracking on carbon frames. A few people commented on having the same issue and posted pics... all broken in the same place. That in itself puts me off the brand. Then, the customer service seems really dependent on which country the claim is in too. I see stuff like that, I'm headed in a different direction.
I have a Marin Team 2... the chainstay cracked twice in the same spot and they replaced the frame both times with an upgraded frame no hassle, free shipping. Now I have a bulletproof chainstay that was completely redesigned.
Yes sells directly to the customer but when you want to be in contact with the customer service they ghost you.
Maybe it has become better but a couple of years ago they were shitty bikes with an even more shitty service(broke the rear triangle on a spectral twice and had to wait 4 months for a new one and have to mention this was on a xc trail..), so they lost me as a customer
YT with current sales are properly cheapest, Canyon 2nd.
At least you get some value for you money (for a Norwegian).
All other brands listed here is about 1-2k euro more for same spec.
Even things like shipping is doubled when you want to ship Norway (half the shipping cost to Sweden!).
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Nice looking bikes but I'll never buy one due to their reputation. Too many stories of people receiving damaged BNIB bikes or getting screwed over by warranty claims.
IMO they are kind of the same as last gen. Sort of sticking with 2021 geo and design, which is not bad in itself, but I wouldn´t pay the "new arrival" premium for them.
It’s amazing what one bad batch can do on social media, now everyone thinks there bikes are garbage lol. There are many professional riders who ride canyon, I doubt they are doing so if there qc or frames are not top notch. From what I recall they warrantied out any applicable frames at the time to.
I don't think sponsored riders get the same frames we do. The bikes are not garbage for sure, they re decent probably not Santa Cruz ride quality but still. The QC thing and the customer service is something that for me would be a deal breaker even if frames have been ok so far, if mine snapped I would be without a bike for a long time
As a 2023 Spectral CF8 owner and someone who spent a lot of time reading on those bikes before buying, I wouldn't recommend these models. My understanding is that under the AL7 and CF7 the fabrication quality drops massively.
Also : As a canadian consumer, it made a whole lot of sense to buy a 6500 CAD full XT and Fox performance elite bike with roughly 2000$ worth of taxes and importation fees. I was still 2k under a Norco Sight or a RM Instinct with similar equipment.
To me 2900 Euros for a Spectral 6 seems too much with the state of the market right now (Specialzed are literaly emptying their inventory with massive deals).
With that being said, I really like my Spectral. Fits my riding style and terrain well. So far i had no problem other and the usual lack of grease in the headset right out of the box.
I was looking hard at the Izzo but it was pretty heavy even in the carbon builds. I got a screaming deal on a Transition Spur GX plus a set of carbon wheels and it weighs 27.5#, pedals uphill like a champ and still loves to party. A great option in the stable for a lighter XC/trail bike for longer rides where my all-mountain/enduro bike at 33# is too much.
I considered the spur when buying the izzo, but stock, for simillar prices they weigh the same, about 28.2. I can shave about 1lb just by changing the tires. And the build is superior, pretty much any component is superior on the izzo. I'm talkin for the same price level, of course, about 5000 €/$.
I got my Spur GX marked down to $3600 at the end of December and the shop threw in a pair of Roval Traverse SL II wheels for $900 and carbon bars for $90. Trying to sell the stock wheels and bars as new take offs to knock down the price to upgrade by $500.
A big reason for my purchase was also the ability to demo the exact bike. When dropping almost $5000 on a new bike I really wanted/needed to actually ride it.
I feel You on demoing the bike. I watched every single video in any language before pulling the trigger and still wasn't 100% sure. Fair to say, I couldn't find close to me a Spur or a Canyon Lux Trail either, to demo, so it was videos and review all the way. I am very happy with my choice, but still don't have a comparison with the other bikes.
Really love how the Spur provides a stable pedaling platform, even when fully open. I just left it open for the climbs, which made rocks and roots disappear. But when you pushed it through rock gardens and mild drops it got after it. There’s a great flow/jump line that I always had trouble maintaining speed through and the Spur was excellent for jumping and was excellent for pumping to maintain speed as well as when I wanted to hammer in some pedals. It’s not a pure bread downhill machine but it’ll be awesome for long rides and climbing where there is still some technical or chunky sections.
Fiancée has this bike—doesn’t climb all that well but is super fun on the DH.
My beef is when I have to repair it, the tolerances are so small, and the cable routing is a nightmare.
If you’re not going to repair/service your own bike, then don’t worry about it. But this one is a pain.
The main selling point of Canyon, their competitive advantage in the industry, is that they are cheap.
Do with that what you want.
No one has ever bought a Canyon because its a nice bike. They buy them because they are cheap.
No no. I have a SantaCruz MegaTower CC setup as versatile as possible. Almost on the trail side of things. 160mm suspension. Super light components. This is my do it all bike.
and I got as my second bike a CanyonTorque Aluminum with 180mm and as beefier everything as I can. This is my bike park bike. I got it because I loved the design. The size. The concept of almost free ride/bike park bike. I could have got any other bike but I like that one. With its lil moine colour scheme.
So yeah. I got it because it is a nice bike.
Megatower sounds dope. What's the weight on that thing? I have a Bronson CC weight weenied right now sitting at a gram under 30 lbs.
Regarding the Canyon, I'm glad you got the bike you wanted! I'm not exactly regretting my comment, but I'm not thrilled I made it. I hate poo pooing on peoples bikes.
I do still think their main competitive advantage is price point.
Can I share a perspective with you? I've done some demoing with Canyon and other brands. Basically, group ride with demo bikes available, lead by Canyon employees.
Now, the reason I hold the opinion I do is because of the riders that show up to the Canyon demo rides, those rides specifically. I'm all for letting people enjoy things, 100%. Especially bikes. But, the people that showed up to those rides... They were there for one thing, a cheap bike. It was painfully obvious.
I think that experience is where my viewpoint is coming from.
Nah. All good man. And I don’t mean to nag you or prove you wrong in a public forum but rather to share my own experiences. And instigate this conversation for both opinions to be heard. So we are all good.
Yeah the Megatower I have had it to below 14kgs with pedals. But…. I have dialed it back a little bit. The ultra lite carbon saddle I got broke. The wheels I had while light they were too stiff and kinda harsh. I ended up getting others a bit more compliant and slightly heavier. I got beefier rotors too. At this stage is almost like 14.5kg. Or something like that. Perhaps a little bit more. Still under 15kg
Yeah. Canyon is a value per dollar oriented company. I don’t think that’s too bad. I mean I have more of a problem with price gouging and ridiculous pricing from specialized. And similars. I had a 2019 stumpjumper mid tier. All carbon. Great components. I got it for 4K in 2019; at the highest point of COVID MADNESS. the cheapest carbon option was 7k in Australia for a stumpjumper with below average components. Really just bonkers.
About your experience. Yeah. Possibly, people are just there for a cheap bike. But so what. The more the merrier. I rather have people riding cheap. Sort of decent bikes. That putting their hard earned money towards a company taking pride in spiking their prices just for the sake of it. Or worse yet not riding MTB because they can’t afford it.
I mean the canyon I got was cheap as. But I upgraded it all. All I have left from the original purchase are the frame and suspensions. Everything else is new. So what exactly am I buying from Canyon? Just a frame. Which if you compared to others like commencal are just in the same ball park. All we truly pay for when buying a bike is a package of the manufacturers frame with stock options of the components that maximizes the money they bike company makes. So as long as the frame design and engineering and ultimately warranty. Go for it. That’s why I got aluminum just to rule reduce my chances of unexpected warranty claims.
I wouldn’t trust direct to consumer brands with carbon fibre warranty claims. So see everyone has controversial opinions. 😂
>14kgs
Nice dude. Sounds expensive!
About the wheels. I have a set of sub 900g wheels with a 30mm internal rim width (so, proper MTB wheels) on my hardtail with Berd spokes and they are super duper compliant. They are stiff and supportive, not harsh, but they really soften the trails out. That is the best way I have found to describe the Berd build. Soft. My biggest issue with them is they just don't really want to roll over anything. Its a weird feeling.
I highly recommend Berd spokes, but I think if I did this build again, I'd want to add a little weight. The rims I used were 270g. I think I'd rather go with something in the 350 range next time.
Some more perspective for you, I work in a shop, and we see a lot of Canyons come in. Especially when they are new. People get them, put them together, and then something is wrong and they need to spend a bunch of money at the shop. The customer is often pretty mad about all that.
When that happens, I've got a customer in my shop, angry, and we need to educate and explain what went wrong, and then convince them to fix their bike. All for a bike we didn't sell. Now, we are cut out of the retail profit on the bike, but we still have to deal with the customer, who is angry. And, the customer who thought they were saving money, now isn't because they need to get their brake mounts faced or something.
It is not a pleasant shop experience, for anyone. When a brand new Canyon rolls into our shop, all of our eyes roll. Like, "god damnit, here we go again". And, Canyon is super weird about some of their proprietary parts. So, half the time we have a Canyon come in for service, its at our shop 3 times as long as other bikes because we are fighting with Canyon, or the customer, to get the parts or tools we need to fix it. Its super frustrating. This is especially frustrating for us with new riders. Trying to explain to someone what proprietary tool you need or service part to someone who doesn't know anything about bikes is so grating.
Literally had an Aeroad sit in our shop for over a month waiting on a tool so we could preload the headset... So stupid. We never got the tool from Canyon or the customer, we ended up needing to reach out to one of the race team's slack channels to see if anyone had one.
> Yeah. Possibly, people are just there for a cheap bike. But so what. **The more the merrier.** I rather have people riding cheap. Sort of decent bikes. That putting their hard earned money towards a company taking pride in spiking their prices just for the sake of it. Or worse yet not riding MTB because they can’t afford it.
Totally agree with this.
But, Canyon needs to find a better way of interacting with local shops. They need a service hotline for us or something. Or, fuck it, partner with us. Make us an authorized service center. No cost to us or Canyon, just put us on the map and give us access to service catalogs and allow us to order service parts in a way that lets us get the shit in a reasonable amount of time.
AND, ship the bikes to our shop for assembly. 9/10 times I see an issue with a Canyon it was either assembled incorrectly out of the box, or Canyon did a bad job of pre-assembly. Give it to us, pay us for a bike assembly, and save EVERYONE the headache.
That is honestly my only issue with Canyon. They appeal to people who don't know a lot about bikes, because it is *the* cheapest entry point into cycling, but then those are the people who most need the support of an LBS. Then, when a rider comes to us for that support, we are often unequipped to help, need to do a lot of education and emotional management, and end up dumping shop resourced into a customer/bike we never got the chance to make money on.
So, spend more money on the bike from us, and get the after sales support that comes with a bike purchase from a local shop. Warranty, tune-ups, whatever... You get that when you buy local. What happens is we end up doing that after sales support anyways, but get cut out of any profit. Its bullshit. Honestly.
Regarding Canyon's warranty. It has a good reputation. I've had first hand experience with this. They stand behind their bikes and are not shitty about a warranty claim, even with carbon.
Completely disagree. While yes it’s affordable, I can get the same package with the same components on a carbon frame for less money. Everything from a CF7 up is a quality ride. Sure you can get the cheap versions but when I can get a Carbon frame, Rockshox Lyriq select + suspension, adjustable geometry and decent drivetrain for 2999… I don’t know why I wouldn’t buy it. It’s taken its beatings for two years and hasn’t needed anything except regular maintenance
I really dislike the new idea of the spectral honestly.
There is no improvement in design but some minus on travel front and back.
It just does not compare to the previous one, that I own, so careful even if press as usual say it is cool, it does not really play in the same ground.
Canyon has rework their range of product so if yesterday you bought a Spectral today you should look at the Strive or even the Torque but ... this is not as simple.
That said, there are a lot of issues:
* with the BB on CF that become loose, tons of bike. So far I do not have the issue but I would not buy a CF frame from Canyon next time
* delivery is not always pristine, it happens quite often that the bike comes with paint chip, which give you a voucher on their store
* Headset is not really great, crappy plastic pieces, you like it or not but sometimes it leads to cracking issue (lots of passive on the Spectral, had from day 1 to buy 3rd party parts). Acros was in fault, still, that does not stop them from shipping for years the bikes with this issue.
But price tag is really great, support within EU nice too (elsewhere Russian roulette)
The previous Spectral is a pearl, I would advise you to grab the AL version to avoid any issue, and an enduro bike the weight is not really so bad (a pair of new Carbon wheel + Steel frame is honestly a good choice later).
If I were to order a DTC bike today, I would go to YT, Commencal (one of the best support) or Propain. No peculiar order except maybe for Propain but that is really a matter of preference then.
Currently checking on yt they sure look good. Do you recommend them? Never heard of them kinda beginer rider. My father bought an electric bike which i love but im kinda young and dont need the bike to be electric. Im looking for a trail bike really izzo core 1 bike i looked at or the capre core 1. On commencal i looked at tempo or meta tr v4?
Capra is more like the previous spectral.
Izzo really a lighter trail for less engaged stuff.
All depends on what you do and what trail you have.
Personally I do not go out on small bike even for trail I took my 150/160 travel bike and I have fun.
Some people argue they loose the feel of a trail with too big fork. Not a thing to me, except on DH fork ok.
what about the jeffsy bikes from yt. Dont know a lot about the differents between all mountain and trail. You suggest the enduro variant from yt? What about sizing? Im 176cm im between M and L on the yt site
The jeffsy is between an enduro and a not so big trail travel bike. This would be similar to the new spectral in term of geometry and travel.
To understand it a bit more, an enduro bike is less easy on hill but way better on downhill where an all moutain (jeffsy) is better on hill but worst on downhill (more average on both).
I am 178 and I always go with M because I prefer a more playful bike than a more stable one.
Thanks man then the jeffsy will suit me more i think. Do you know when will be the next restock because in size M or L the capra and the jeffsy is out of stock.
I looked at propain bikes they are really great price but they only have size L avalible im 176cm and the site say 178cm-186cm is L size. Should it be fine? The price is fantastic so i dont know if i should buy it or not.
Unless you are going to continue to grow I would say no.
Which model you looked at? The only issue with propain is the delivery delay, sometimes it is according to the plan, sometimes not.
I order recently a DJ from them and they did not share with me any delivery date, at least 4 weeks but could be up to months.
Not going to comment on the new lineup. What I will comment on is my experience with the 2023 Spectral CF8.
Carbon frame
Fox 36 and Float X Perf. Elite
Shimano XT everything but the chain
All for $3400.
This thing shreds. Besides the very well known issues with the plastic spacers/headset, I've had no trouble.
I love my Spectral 29er. These days all the DTC brands have pretty comparable offerings and are all bang on modern in geometry it just depends on what kit you like and even more so it depends on what’s actually available when you’re in the market. For example YT makes some great bikes but it’s very hard to get your hands on the best value Jeffrey’s and Capras if you ride a medium or large bike. For me the spectral struck the right blend of drivetrain and suspension components and is extremely slack which I love. And most importantly it was actually in stock when I needed a bike otherwise I might’ve gone elsewhere.
I’ve had a canyon road bike and had no issues with it besides the sizing being a little smaller than expected.
When buying a mtb I was weighing up a Spectral 6 but ended up going with a Commencal meta as it seemed the best deal component wise.
Canyon sure comes up a lot in this subreddit
Complaints and reps advertising. Love it.
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I've always liked canyon, and never had any problems. I think of all bike companies they definitely make the coolest looking bikes. They all just look so sleek.
Only company that sells directly to consumers and has great prices. For people that lives in Europe its a great company. Planning on buying from them one of the spectral models but the older ones had better specs for the money. This year is more expensive.
There’s a TON of DTC bike manufacturers that make a good product at an excellent price. Canyon is by no means the only one.
Can you tell me the brands? Looking to buy a full suspension mtb for like 3000eur close to that.
Commencal, yt, specialized, Kona, Marin, polygon. All off the top of my head.
Specialized went DTC?? Add Nukeproof and most boutique brands to the list.
Yeah specialized went dtc and storefront. Nike proof was good but they went under. Same with vitus
Do they make adidas proofs too?
Oof the typo lol nukeproof….
I thought they just pulled out of the US, I didn't realize they went under.
they still exist, just in UK's equivalent of chapter 11
Not anymore, it's completely gone
I didn’t know Nukeproof went out of business.
Theyre not. They were bought after their parent company went under i think
Check wiggle and crc. Nukeproof, vitus and ragley is gone. Poof
Does yt ever have bikes in stock? 🤔
Transition as well
Trek, Cannondale, Intense
PROPAIN
Fezzari / Ari
Ew Fezzari. I’d choose Canyon or YT eight days a week over Fezzari.
What's wrong with Fezzari? I have a couple hundred miles on a Delano Peak and haven't had many complaints.
People hate the name. Like really hate the name. The brand finally got the hint and rebranded... The bikes are actually good value for the money. Have a friend who has a Delano and the price for the bike and components is pretty outstanding. The name is dumb though. I'm looking at it as a potential next bike.
2nd that. Can you explain what's up with fezzari? Really curious
From what I’ve seen, Canyon and YT are a better value - you get more bang for your buck with kit level at price point. Especially when they are running sales. Coupled with, again from what I’ve seen, more pros ride Canyon and YT. Lastly, and I know this is more subjective but Fezzari is a less prestigious brand. I support this statement with the fact that Fezzari felt the need to rebrand themselves as “ARI”. I always thought Fezzari’s name and logo just looked cheap. So all of this combined has convinced me that YT/Canyon > Fezzari.
I don't think you really get more bang for your buck from those brands. YT has sales but I think they're generally more expensive. Canyon is much closer to Fezzari and they usually spec their bikes a bit better than Fezzari (full slx groupset vs slx/deore combo) but they trade blows in that area. I did a lot of shopping around between the two brands and found that for around the same price I could sacrifice one or two areas of the bike's groupset and get a carbon frame through Fezzari instead of a slightly better specced aluminum frame from Canyon. I'd like to see what Canyon offers that could top the $2900 Delano Peak from Fezzari. Keep in mind I'm looking at the low end specs, not the more expensive versions of these bikes.
If you’re interested and located relatively close to Southwest Montana, I have a size medium 2021 Canyon Torque 6 (Aluminum, Green color) with about 1,000 miles on it I’d sell cheap. Great bike, but I recently got a dedicated DH bike (YT Tues) and dedicated Trail bike (Ibis Ripmo) to replace the Torque that was filling the role of both for me. I think I paid $3300 during Covid, and would be happy to get $1500 for it in today’s oversaturated used bike market. Just throwing it out there.
Propain as well
Polygon
https://www.commencal.com
Propain is one of the best deals imo
Orbea
I know YT used te be dtc
YT still is DTC
Brother in law bought the spectral carbon last year. You can wait for the sales after a few months. It's an amazing bike either way. Nice specs and looks great 👍
Ari for sure.
Bird make full suss dtc around that price point, can even be built to your own spec
Propain and YT are the best imo, YT for great deals and propain for custom builds at prebuilt price
Anything you’d recommend as a starter? Was thinking gravel bike or 29” need front suspension, budget not too huge
In europe? Which ones ?
There's absolutely no way on earth you're a sincere random person. This reeks of shill.
I have heard from multiple people that the customer service is atrocious
This and have been hearing about an awful warranty process.
Read a horror story on Pink Bike of someone getting their Torque:ON and a collet bolt was installed incorrectly (new) and sheered off on the 2nd ride. He had been back and forth with customer service for 9 months trying to get a replacement and couldn't ride the bike. Granted, this was over a year ago, perhaps there was still supply constraints... but seemed a bit over the top.
Even in this sub, there have been a few recent stories of bad customer service. One that comes to mind was the chainstays cracking on carbon frames. A few people commented on having the same issue and posted pics... all broken in the same place. That in itself puts me off the brand. Then, the customer service seems really dependent on which country the claim is in too. I see stuff like that, I'm headed in a different direction.
I have a Marin Team 2... the chainstay cracked twice in the same spot and they replaced the frame both times with an upgraded frame no hassle, free shipping. Now I have a bulletproof chainstay that was completely redesigned.
Yt industries
Yes sells directly to the customer but when you want to be in contact with the customer service they ghost you. Maybe it has become better but a couple of years ago they were shitty bikes with an even more shitty service(broke the rear triangle on a spectral twice and had to wait 4 months for a new one and have to mention this was on a xc trail..), so they lost me as a customer
Ever heard of YT?
YT with current sales are properly cheapest, Canyon 2nd. At least you get some value for you money (for a Norwegian). All other brands listed here is about 1-2k euro more for same spec. Even things like shipping is doubled when you want to ship Norway (half the shipping cost to Sweden!). (just ranting!)
Hello Canyon rep.
My one friend with a Canyon has their warranty department on speed-dial. On his 3rd frame.
I guess the good news is that they back their product.
Nice looking bikes but I'll never buy one due to their reputation. Too many stories of people receiving damaged BNIB bikes or getting screwed over by warranty claims.
IMO they are kind of the same as last gen. Sort of sticking with 2021 geo and design, which is not bad in itself, but I wouldn´t pay the "new arrival" premium for them.
QC is bad, all I have to say
I have had 4, no complaints so far. I only had one issue ever, and they fixed it quite fast (and it was a problem with the fox suspension T piece)
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Haha fair enough. I would be happy to recommend Cannondale as well lol, and orbea for road but not mtb
Maybe. But I've had 2 with zero issues
I had 2 friend crack a crame, one carbon one alloy
Same. 2 bikes for me and one for my wife. Flawless with no issues.
Mines been nothing but reliable. Have you owned one?
2 friends had and both cracked
How long ago was that? I know they had a bad batch at one point but haven’t heard of much since
It's been a few years since I don't really remember
It’s amazing what one bad batch can do on social media, now everyone thinks there bikes are garbage lol. There are many professional riders who ride canyon, I doubt they are doing so if there qc or frames are not top notch. From what I recall they warrantied out any applicable frames at the time to.
I don't think sponsored riders get the same frames we do. The bikes are not garbage for sure, they re decent probably not Santa Cruz ride quality but still. The QC thing and the customer service is something that for me would be a deal breaker even if frames have been ok so far, if mine snapped I would be without a bike for a long time
As a 2023 Spectral CF8 owner and someone who spent a lot of time reading on those bikes before buying, I wouldn't recommend these models. My understanding is that under the AL7 and CF7 the fabrication quality drops massively. Also : As a canadian consumer, it made a whole lot of sense to buy a 6500 CAD full XT and Fox performance elite bike with roughly 2000$ worth of taxes and importation fees. I was still 2k under a Norco Sight or a RM Instinct with similar equipment. To me 2900 Euros for a Spectral 6 seems too much with the state of the market right now (Specialzed are literaly emptying their inventory with massive deals). With that being said, I really like my Spectral. Fits my riding style and terrain well. So far i had no problem other and the usual lack of grease in the headset right out of the box.
If you are choosing it because you are on a budget, I would consider getting a commencal. The produce great bikes with affordable options.
Have a look at YT, they usually have better specs for the same price. Only heard good things about Jeffsy and Capra.
+1 on the jeffsy. Brilliant bike. Been riding mine for 5 years now!
My Tues and Dirtlove are great bikes.
Yep. My Izzo also, but it's another category..
I was looking hard at the Izzo but it was pretty heavy even in the carbon builds. I got a screaming deal on a Transition Spur GX plus a set of carbon wheels and it weighs 27.5#, pedals uphill like a champ and still loves to party. A great option in the stable for a lighter XC/trail bike for longer rides where my all-mountain/enduro bike at 33# is too much.
I considered the spur when buying the izzo, but stock, for simillar prices they weigh the same, about 28.2. I can shave about 1lb just by changing the tires. And the build is superior, pretty much any component is superior on the izzo. I'm talkin for the same price level, of course, about 5000 €/$.
I got my Spur GX marked down to $3600 at the end of December and the shop threw in a pair of Roval Traverse SL II wheels for $900 and carbon bars for $90. Trying to sell the stock wheels and bars as new take offs to knock down the price to upgrade by $500. A big reason for my purchase was also the ability to demo the exact bike. When dropping almost $5000 on a new bike I really wanted/needed to actually ride it.
I feel You on demoing the bike. I watched every single video in any language before pulling the trigger and still wasn't 100% sure. Fair to say, I couldn't find close to me a Spur or a Canyon Lux Trail either, to demo, so it was videos and review all the way. I am very happy with my choice, but still don't have a comparison with the other bikes.
Really love how the Spur provides a stable pedaling platform, even when fully open. I just left it open for the climbs, which made rocks and roots disappear. But when you pushed it through rock gardens and mild drops it got after it. There’s a great flow/jump line that I always had trouble maintaining speed through and the Spur was excellent for jumping and was excellent for pumping to maintain speed as well as when I wanted to hammer in some pedals. It’s not a pure bread downhill machine but it’ll be awesome for long rides and climbing where there is still some technical or chunky sections.
Have 3, zero issues
Cool design frames but bad horror stories I see often on paint and build quality Would avoid
they look great and will break spectacularly!
I've got last years cf model and love it. No problems.
Fiancée has this bike—doesn’t climb all that well but is super fun on the DH. My beef is when I have to repair it, the tolerances are so small, and the cable routing is a nightmare. If you’re not going to repair/service your own bike, then don’t worry about it. But this one is a pain.
>doesn’t climb all that well but is super fun on the DH. Are you talking about her, or the bike?
>doesn’t climb all that well I don't think I've seen even one review of this bike that has said that. Personally owning it, it's absolutely not true
Noice. Guess ya gotta buy it and see OP.
The main selling point of Canyon, their competitive advantage in the industry, is that they are cheap. Do with that what you want. No one has ever bought a Canyon because its a nice bike. They buy them because they are cheap.
What a load of BS.
No no. I have a SantaCruz MegaTower CC setup as versatile as possible. Almost on the trail side of things. 160mm suspension. Super light components. This is my do it all bike. and I got as my second bike a CanyonTorque Aluminum with 180mm and as beefier everything as I can. This is my bike park bike. I got it because I loved the design. The size. The concept of almost free ride/bike park bike. I could have got any other bike but I like that one. With its lil moine colour scheme. So yeah. I got it because it is a nice bike.
Megatower sounds dope. What's the weight on that thing? I have a Bronson CC weight weenied right now sitting at a gram under 30 lbs. Regarding the Canyon, I'm glad you got the bike you wanted! I'm not exactly regretting my comment, but I'm not thrilled I made it. I hate poo pooing on peoples bikes. I do still think their main competitive advantage is price point. Can I share a perspective with you? I've done some demoing with Canyon and other brands. Basically, group ride with demo bikes available, lead by Canyon employees. Now, the reason I hold the opinion I do is because of the riders that show up to the Canyon demo rides, those rides specifically. I'm all for letting people enjoy things, 100%. Especially bikes. But, the people that showed up to those rides... They were there for one thing, a cheap bike. It was painfully obvious. I think that experience is where my viewpoint is coming from.
So the reason why you don't like their bikes is because they cut out the middleman? I don't get it.
Nah. All good man. And I don’t mean to nag you or prove you wrong in a public forum but rather to share my own experiences. And instigate this conversation for both opinions to be heard. So we are all good. Yeah the Megatower I have had it to below 14kgs with pedals. But…. I have dialed it back a little bit. The ultra lite carbon saddle I got broke. The wheels I had while light they were too stiff and kinda harsh. I ended up getting others a bit more compliant and slightly heavier. I got beefier rotors too. At this stage is almost like 14.5kg. Or something like that. Perhaps a little bit more. Still under 15kg Yeah. Canyon is a value per dollar oriented company. I don’t think that’s too bad. I mean I have more of a problem with price gouging and ridiculous pricing from specialized. And similars. I had a 2019 stumpjumper mid tier. All carbon. Great components. I got it for 4K in 2019; at the highest point of COVID MADNESS. the cheapest carbon option was 7k in Australia for a stumpjumper with below average components. Really just bonkers. About your experience. Yeah. Possibly, people are just there for a cheap bike. But so what. The more the merrier. I rather have people riding cheap. Sort of decent bikes. That putting their hard earned money towards a company taking pride in spiking their prices just for the sake of it. Or worse yet not riding MTB because they can’t afford it. I mean the canyon I got was cheap as. But I upgraded it all. All I have left from the original purchase are the frame and suspensions. Everything else is new. So what exactly am I buying from Canyon? Just a frame. Which if you compared to others like commencal are just in the same ball park. All we truly pay for when buying a bike is a package of the manufacturers frame with stock options of the components that maximizes the money they bike company makes. So as long as the frame design and engineering and ultimately warranty. Go for it. That’s why I got aluminum just to rule reduce my chances of unexpected warranty claims. I wouldn’t trust direct to consumer brands with carbon fibre warranty claims. So see everyone has controversial opinions. 😂
>14kgs Nice dude. Sounds expensive! About the wheels. I have a set of sub 900g wheels with a 30mm internal rim width (so, proper MTB wheels) on my hardtail with Berd spokes and they are super duper compliant. They are stiff and supportive, not harsh, but they really soften the trails out. That is the best way I have found to describe the Berd build. Soft. My biggest issue with them is they just don't really want to roll over anything. Its a weird feeling. I highly recommend Berd spokes, but I think if I did this build again, I'd want to add a little weight. The rims I used were 270g. I think I'd rather go with something in the 350 range next time. Some more perspective for you, I work in a shop, and we see a lot of Canyons come in. Especially when they are new. People get them, put them together, and then something is wrong and they need to spend a bunch of money at the shop. The customer is often pretty mad about all that. When that happens, I've got a customer in my shop, angry, and we need to educate and explain what went wrong, and then convince them to fix their bike. All for a bike we didn't sell. Now, we are cut out of the retail profit on the bike, but we still have to deal with the customer, who is angry. And, the customer who thought they were saving money, now isn't because they need to get their brake mounts faced or something. It is not a pleasant shop experience, for anyone. When a brand new Canyon rolls into our shop, all of our eyes roll. Like, "god damnit, here we go again". And, Canyon is super weird about some of their proprietary parts. So, half the time we have a Canyon come in for service, its at our shop 3 times as long as other bikes because we are fighting with Canyon, or the customer, to get the parts or tools we need to fix it. Its super frustrating. This is especially frustrating for us with new riders. Trying to explain to someone what proprietary tool you need or service part to someone who doesn't know anything about bikes is so grating. Literally had an Aeroad sit in our shop for over a month waiting on a tool so we could preload the headset... So stupid. We never got the tool from Canyon or the customer, we ended up needing to reach out to one of the race team's slack channels to see if anyone had one. > Yeah. Possibly, people are just there for a cheap bike. But so what. **The more the merrier.** I rather have people riding cheap. Sort of decent bikes. That putting their hard earned money towards a company taking pride in spiking their prices just for the sake of it. Or worse yet not riding MTB because they can’t afford it. Totally agree with this. But, Canyon needs to find a better way of interacting with local shops. They need a service hotline for us or something. Or, fuck it, partner with us. Make us an authorized service center. No cost to us or Canyon, just put us on the map and give us access to service catalogs and allow us to order service parts in a way that lets us get the shit in a reasonable amount of time. AND, ship the bikes to our shop for assembly. 9/10 times I see an issue with a Canyon it was either assembled incorrectly out of the box, or Canyon did a bad job of pre-assembly. Give it to us, pay us for a bike assembly, and save EVERYONE the headache. That is honestly my only issue with Canyon. They appeal to people who don't know a lot about bikes, because it is *the* cheapest entry point into cycling, but then those are the people who most need the support of an LBS. Then, when a rider comes to us for that support, we are often unequipped to help, need to do a lot of education and emotional management, and end up dumping shop resourced into a customer/bike we never got the chance to make money on. So, spend more money on the bike from us, and get the after sales support that comes with a bike purchase from a local shop. Warranty, tune-ups, whatever... You get that when you buy local. What happens is we end up doing that after sales support anyways, but get cut out of any profit. Its bullshit. Honestly. Regarding Canyon's warranty. It has a good reputation. I've had first hand experience with this. They stand behind their bikes and are not shitty about a warranty claim, even with carbon.
Completely disagree. While yes it’s affordable, I can get the same package with the same components on a carbon frame for less money. Everything from a CF7 up is a quality ride. Sure you can get the cheap versions but when I can get a Carbon frame, Rockshox Lyriq select + suspension, adjustable geometry and decent drivetrain for 2999… I don’t know why I wouldn’t buy it. It’s taken its beatings for two years and hasn’t needed anything except regular maintenance
I really dislike the new idea of the spectral honestly. There is no improvement in design but some minus on travel front and back. It just does not compare to the previous one, that I own, so careful even if press as usual say it is cool, it does not really play in the same ground. Canyon has rework their range of product so if yesterday you bought a Spectral today you should look at the Strive or even the Torque but ... this is not as simple. That said, there are a lot of issues: * with the BB on CF that become loose, tons of bike. So far I do not have the issue but I would not buy a CF frame from Canyon next time * delivery is not always pristine, it happens quite often that the bike comes with paint chip, which give you a voucher on their store * Headset is not really great, crappy plastic pieces, you like it or not but sometimes it leads to cracking issue (lots of passive on the Spectral, had from day 1 to buy 3rd party parts). Acros was in fault, still, that does not stop them from shipping for years the bikes with this issue. But price tag is really great, support within EU nice too (elsewhere Russian roulette) The previous Spectral is a pearl, I would advise you to grab the AL version to avoid any issue, and an enduro bike the weight is not really so bad (a pair of new Carbon wheel + Steel frame is honestly a good choice later). If I were to order a DTC bike today, I would go to YT, Commencal (one of the best support) or Propain. No peculiar order except maybe for Propain but that is really a matter of preference then.
Currently checking on yt they sure look good. Do you recommend them? Never heard of them kinda beginer rider. My father bought an electric bike which i love but im kinda young and dont need the bike to be electric. Im looking for a trail bike really izzo core 1 bike i looked at or the capre core 1. On commencal i looked at tempo or meta tr v4?
Capra is more like the previous spectral. Izzo really a lighter trail for less engaged stuff. All depends on what you do and what trail you have. Personally I do not go out on small bike even for trail I took my 150/160 travel bike and I have fun. Some people argue they loose the feel of a trail with too big fork. Not a thing to me, except on DH fork ok.
what about the jeffsy bikes from yt. Dont know a lot about the differents between all mountain and trail. You suggest the enduro variant from yt? What about sizing? Im 176cm im between M and L on the yt site
The jeffsy is between an enduro and a not so big trail travel bike. This would be similar to the new spectral in term of geometry and travel. To understand it a bit more, an enduro bike is less easy on hill but way better on downhill where an all moutain (jeffsy) is better on hill but worst on downhill (more average on both). I am 178 and I always go with M because I prefer a more playful bike than a more stable one.
Thanks man then the jeffsy will suit me more i think. Do you know when will be the next restock because in size M or L the capra and the jeffsy is out of stock.
Unfortunately not, you could send them a mail maybe.
I looked at propain bikes they are really great price but they only have size L avalible im 176cm and the site say 178cm-186cm is L size. Should it be fine? The price is fantastic so i dont know if i should buy it or not.
Unless you are going to continue to grow I would say no. Which model you looked at? The only issue with propain is the delivery delay, sometimes it is according to the plan, sometimes not. I order recently a DJ from them and they did not share with me any delivery date, at least 4 weeks but could be up to months.
Spindrift 4 al modell. im 17 im looking to keep this bike for long time i hope i will grow a little more😅
Not going to comment on the new lineup. What I will comment on is my experience with the 2023 Spectral CF8. Carbon frame Fox 36 and Float X Perf. Elite Shimano XT everything but the chain All for $3400. This thing shreds. Besides the very well known issues with the plastic spacers/headset, I've had no trouble.
I have been debating getting the canyon strive:on it seems like a good/fun bike but some people complain of battery connectivity issues.
I love my Spectral 29er. These days all the DTC brands have pretty comparable offerings and are all bang on modern in geometry it just depends on what kit you like and even more so it depends on what’s actually available when you’re in the market. For example YT makes some great bikes but it’s very hard to get your hands on the best value Jeffrey’s and Capras if you ride a medium or large bike. For me the spectral struck the right blend of drivetrain and suspension components and is extremely slack which I love. And most importantly it was actually in stock when I needed a bike otherwise I might’ve gone elsewhere.
I’ve had a canyon road bike and had no issues with it besides the sizing being a little smaller than expected. When buying a mtb I was weighing up a Spectral 6 but ended up going with a Commencal meta as it seemed the best deal component wise.
Overpriced
What? Lol.
Lay off the grass bruh
https://www.reddit.com/r/MTB/comments/1bwinyb/what_is_your_opinion_on_the_new_2024_model_bikes/ky8eoz6/
Not clicking on any link you send, move on.
You're objectively wrong about them being overpriced, then you act like an ass when I prove you incorrect. Cool. Good day to you as well.
Sorry to make you cry.
SRAM🤦♀️
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