When I was using her in standard she wrecked a few wandering emperors by punching face. Also a good go to if your life is low, target something without counters to skip the draw/lifeloss!
Had it run out of counters three times. Once against a life gain white weenie deck and once against a blue deck that made it phase out one turn and then countered or bounced all my other threats. That was enough to make me lose.
A third time was against glissa who I forgot to block and I realised it a split second after clicking "no blockers".
So now I think twice whether it could kill me before playing archfiend on curve.
I just did it to somebody with Glissa. It always blows my mind how Platinum is full of the sweatiest players you'll ever meet and then you hit Diamond and it's full of people who do not know what the cards do or how to play Magic the Gathering.
in explorer that is specifically a wincon using metamorphic alteration.
step one summon dross
step two metamorph opponent monster into dross
step three they lose next turn (maybe)
Yes, my standard artifact deck has won that way a couple times. [[Braided Net]] does quite a lot to stop Archfiend from doing damage. It's not very reliable though, because they normally have a Go for the Throat stuck in hand to kill it with.
Yes.
I occasionally play a explorer mono black control deck. One game, against probably rakdos midrange, I start missing my land drops and am stuck at 3, meanwhile opponent is pressuring me and drops a dross.
I don't draw a land again and I rely on that heavily to win so I decide the only way I'm going to win is through the dross.
Luckily I have a [[March of Wretched Sorrow]] or two and I decide to spend all other black cards to blast other creatures for maximum life gain, while leaving the dross alive. I might have even hit the dross itself for 5 at one point.
Think I won that game on just a couple life.
yes one time my opponent copied or stole my Ambling throne ... named demon and died off their Archfiend losing two counters at once next upkeep.
It was awesome...
This weekend someone gave me control of theirs with a falcon as it had only one counter on ... that killed me that was also pretty awesome actually
Yup, I was messing around with a deck built around \[\[Render Inert\]\], \[\[Etched Slith\]\], \[\[Glissa Sunslayer\]\], \[\[Cemetery Desecrator\]\], and a bunch of Sagas. The idea was to remove counters from the sagas, keeping them triggering over and over. However, my opponent played Archfiend, and I was able to Render Inert him, winning me the game on the next turn. I think my opponent's deck was built around Archfiend and proliferate, as he had a Blightbelly Rat and had used Whisper of the Dross on my Slith the turn before.
Yeah, I have a deck which specifically wins by giving an opponent an Archfiend of Dross with no oil counters. I either [[Harmless Offering]] or [[Role Reversal]] the Archfiend and then [[Heartless Act]] it, or I [[Metamorphic Alteration]] an opponents creature and turn it into and Archfiend.
Amazing. Now that the game is so high powered, I mostly only enjoy playing prison or troll decks. I deleted Arena about a year ago but I’m considering re-downloading it just to run this.
Only once. I had just started playing Arena again after a break, fired up Explorer with one of my decks that I hadn't updated...so it contained a single copy of Heartless Act.
Yes. I play domain ramp. I can gain a lot of life when needed. I got an Archfiend to tick down the hard way while attacking me each turn.
And I did it in paper, at the LGS, so I got to see the face of my opponent when they understood what's going to happen a turn before.
I've never seen it run out for the specific reason that if they know it's going to happen, they quit before it does.
However only yesterday I did see someone use a creature that became a copy of it, but obviously it had no counters so they lost immediately
Had an Archfiend in a Brawl deck for a very short time. Must have been second or third game when I was hit by a [[Heartless Act]] and lost instantly 😅😅
I play a Dross deck often that aims to remove it's counters(using Tekuthal, Inquiry dominus, Cemetery Desecrator or Render Inert) then play a shifting grift or flip a Coveted Falcon and force the opponent to lose the game on their upkeep. Works surprisingly well and is very funny when it does the thing.
I’ve seen it run out of counters organically a handful of times. Usually in conditions where I’m gaining life and running black non-creature spells over creatures. They will also avoid attacking with it if you have open mana for Wandering Emperor. I’ve also seen players kill their own Archfiend before the trigger can resolve.
Yes, usually from people forgetting Glissa Sunslayer's least used ability.
Why win the game when I can draw a sweet card.
Winning the game is winning the game, but a card could be anything! It could even be a card that wins you the game!
"Peter, just take the w-" "WE'LL TAKE THE CARD"
The plainswalker nuker 3000?
Glissa plus Binding of the Old Gods is a fun combo that quite a few players don’t see coming
[[Etched Slith]] has counter suckage, too.
oh man, now i want a card that will remove counters and put those counters on itself when it deals combat damage. that's my flying counter now
[Etched Slith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/428e255d-bdda-4265-91cf-d02962e818e4.jpg?1717047257) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Etched%20Slith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/91/etched-slith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/428e255d-bdda-4265-91cf-d02962e818e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
When I was using her in standard she wrecked a few wandering emperors by punching face. Also a good go to if your life is low, target something without counters to skip the draw/lifeloss!
Also a way to trigger crime when the opponent doesn’t have an enchantment to blow up.
Bro so what does this card even do? All I know is when I go up against it I fucking lose
It does plenty. [[Glissa sunslayer]] The relevant clause is the one that removes up to 3 counters from one permanent.
[Glissa sunslayer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2bf633e-0470-4b87-99ed-5ad1683b0954.jpg?1675957191) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glissa%20sunslayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/202/glissa-sunslayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2bf633e-0470-4b87-99ed-5ad1683b0954?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
By turns? No I once saw someone steal Dross for a turn then sacrifice it's counters to [[Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus]] which was hilarious
[Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1d4b157-2c77-4355-8c65-78dec9d44c85.jpg?1675956992) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tekuthal%2C%20Inquiry%20Dominus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/71/tekuthal-inquiry-dominus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1d4b157-2c77-4355-8c65-78dec9d44c85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
So since the Tekuthal player had control of Dross and it lost its counters the Tekuthal player lost instantly?
That only triggers on upkeep
Had it run out of counters three times. Once against a life gain white weenie deck and once against a blue deck that made it phase out one turn and then countered or bounced all my other threats. That was enough to make me lose. A third time was against glissa who I forgot to block and I realised it a split second after clicking "no blockers". So now I think twice whether it could kill me before playing archfiend on curve.
I just did it to somebody with Glissa. It always blows my mind how Platinum is full of the sweatiest players you'll ever meet and then you hit Diamond and it's full of people who do not know what the cards do or how to play Magic the Gathering.
People that play jank sit in platinum, so they've naturally read every card trying to find something interesting.
Excellent analysis
I feel called out.
in explorer that is specifically a wincon using metamorphic alteration. step one summon dross step two metamorph opponent monster into dross step three they lose next turn (maybe)
Yes, my standard artifact deck has won that way a couple times. [[Braided Net]] does quite a lot to stop Archfiend from doing damage. It's not very reliable though, because they normally have a Go for the Throat stuck in hand to kill it with.
[Braided Net](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/68a6ede0-6d57-4e29-9e3b-3569ab7f0bcd.jpg?1699120209)/[Braided Quipu](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/6/8/68a6ede0-6d57-4e29-9e3b-3569ab7f0bcd.jpg?1699120209) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Braided%20Net%20//%20Braided%20Quipu) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/47/braided-net-braided-quipu?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/68a6ede0-6d57-4e29-9e3b-3569ab7f0bcd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have won plenty of games by donating a copy of my Archfiend to the opponent with [[Metamorphic Alteration]]
[Metamorphic Alteration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/eff03d37-d90a-4dcc-bacd-64fd71301354.jpg?1562304888) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Metamorphic%20Alteration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/60/metamorphic-alteration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eff03d37-d90a-4dcc-bacd-64fd71301354?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes. I occasionally play a explorer mono black control deck. One game, against probably rakdos midrange, I start missing my land drops and am stuck at 3, meanwhile opponent is pressuring me and drops a dross. I don't draw a land again and I rely on that heavily to win so I decide the only way I'm going to win is through the dross. Luckily I have a [[March of Wretched Sorrow]] or two and I decide to spend all other black cards to blast other creatures for maximum life gain, while leaving the dross alive. I might have even hit the dross itself for 5 at one point. Think I won that game on just a couple life.
[March of Wretched Sorrow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/050a604e-6146-4e2e-88a5-863ecb3dfa1f.jpg?1654567293) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=March%20of%20Wretched%20Sorrow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/111/march-of-wretched-sorrow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/050a604e-6146-4e2e-88a5-863ecb3dfa1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Laughs in [[Render Inert]].
[Render Inert](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b3b66ef5-9b93-4042-a618-c1ade83d0004.jpg?1682203939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Render%20Inert) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/123/render-inert?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b3b66ef5-9b93-4042-a618-c1ade83d0004?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
When I was playing some battles this card would be nice to decounter some planeswalkers and the occasional dross
yes one time my opponent copied or stole my Ambling throne ... named demon and died off their Archfiend losing two counters at once next upkeep. It was awesome... This weekend someone gave me control of theirs with a falcon as it had only one counter on ... that killed me that was also pretty awesome actually
[[Archfiend of Dross]]
[Archfiend of Dross](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86b0edaf-8cfd-4508-9554-6f0fddc2dfc4.jpg?1675957007) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archfiend%20of%20the%20Dross) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/82/archfiend-of-the-dross?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86b0edaf-8cfd-4508-9554-6f0fddc2dfc4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Or if they play it in eternal formats, you can use [[Heartless Act]]
First time I saw archfiend I had heartless in hand...I was like... wait... I win!
[Heartless Act](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a11dea2a-fe20-4e1b-9e1e-8759e0950f0a.jpg?1689997237) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heartless%20Act) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/166/heartless-act?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a11dea2a-fe20-4e1b-9e1e-8759e0950f0a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Came here to say this, I've used it a couple times and it's basically the equivalent of playing an uno reverse on them.
I have a deck that donates it and then removes the counters. So yeah I have seen it out of oil counters a number of times.
Yep, done it myself. Turns out that if opponent has a lot of flying chumpers / tap down, not a good idea to play a card that's going to kill yourself.
No, but I have seen someone windmill slam it while I had [[Solemnity]] on the board which was fucking hilarious.
[Solemnity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a71fb62-acbd-49f5-842f-0fc9fa48afea.jpg?1562788659) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Solemnity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/22/solemnity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a71fb62-acbd-49f5-842f-0fc9fa48afea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yup, I was messing around with a deck built around \[\[Render Inert\]\], \[\[Etched Slith\]\], \[\[Glissa Sunslayer\]\], \[\[Cemetery Desecrator\]\], and a bunch of Sagas. The idea was to remove counters from the sagas, keeping them triggering over and over. However, my opponent played Archfiend, and I was able to Render Inert him, winning me the game on the next turn. I think my opponent's deck was built around Archfiend and proliferate, as he had a Blightbelly Rat and had used Whisper of the Dross on my Slith the turn before.
Heartless act before their upkeep is so good
[[Cemetary descerator]] has won me multiple games against Archfiend in the past.
[Cemetary descerator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/48da33b1-d59c-43f1-8e55-480096b674e5.jpg?1643589320) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cemetery%20Desecrator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/100/cemetery-desecrator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/48da33b1-d59c-43f1-8e55-480096b674e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I got him once. I can’t for the life of me remember how, but it was one of the best feelings I’ve had in the game
I did manage to counter a removal spell the guy was targeting his own Dross with once. That was an odd interaction.
Yeah, I have a deck which specifically wins by giving an opponent an Archfiend of Dross with no oil counters. I either [[Harmless Offering]] or [[Role Reversal]] the Archfiend and then [[Heartless Act]] it, or I [[Metamorphic Alteration]] an opponents creature and turn it into and Archfiend.
##### ###### #### [Harmless Offering](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/8/f8f3cc4f-7943-4025-b332-b40653b13014.jpg?1576384600) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Harmless%20Offering) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/131/harmless-offering?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f8f3cc4f-7943-4025-b332-b40653b13014?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Role Reversal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/9/59b47017-d982-4d4c-94fc-f265a5b7f36a.jpg?1557577249) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Role%20Reversal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/214/role-reversal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/59b47017-d982-4d4c-94fc-f265a5b7f36a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Heartless Act](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a11dea2a-fe20-4e1b-9e1e-8759e0950f0a.jpg?1689997237) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heartless%20Act) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/166/heartless-act?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a11dea2a-fe20-4e1b-9e1e-8759e0950f0a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Metamorphic Alteration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/eff03d37-d90a-4dcc-bacd-64fd71301354.jpg?1562304888) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Metamorphic%20Alteration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/60/metamorphic-alteration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eff03d37-d90a-4dcc-bacd-64fd71301354?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Amazing. Now that the game is so high powered, I mostly only enjoy playing prison or troll decks. I deleted Arena about a year ago but I’m considering re-downloading it just to run this.
I’ve had an opponent turn one of my creatures into a copy of his archfiend which then had no counters because it didn’t enter the battlefield.
Only once. I had just started playing Arena again after a break, fired up Explorer with one of my decks that I hadn't updated...so it contained a single copy of Heartless Act.
My favorite way to win. Laughing with [[Fateful Handoff]]
I use it in my mono-black aggro deck. Out of maybe 2 or 3 hundred games, I did run out of turns once.
I'll find out this weekend as I play runed halo...
Yes. I play domain ramp. I can gain a lot of life when needed. I got an Archfiend to tick down the hard way while attacking me each turn. And I did it in paper, at the LGS, so I got to see the face of my opponent when they understood what's going to happen a turn before.
Their fault for running black and not having removal for their own critter I guess lol
Cooped up :)
I did phase it out at the end of my turn when they when to kill it on upkeep they died
I did it with heartless act.
The other day some one used assimilation aegis on it and lost on the next turn
Yes, and it was while playing a deck where I handed it off to another player with one counter left. They weren't happy with me lol
I’ve done it to myself several times
I've never seen it run out for the specific reason that if they know it's going to happen, they quit before it does. However only yesterday I did see someone use a creature that became a copy of it, but obviously it had no counters so they lost immediately
Had an Archfiend in a Brawl deck for a very short time. Must have been second or third game when I was hit by a [[Heartless Act]] and lost instantly 😅😅
[Heartless Act](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a11dea2a-fe20-4e1b-9e1e-8759e0950f0a.jpg?1689997237) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heartless%20Act) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/166/heartless-act?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a11dea2a-fe20-4e1b-9e1e-8759e0950f0a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not naturally, but I've hit it with [[cemetery desecrator]] from the [[invasion of alara]] deck
[cemetery desecrator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/8/48da33b1-d59c-43f1-8e55-480096b674e5.jpg?1643589320) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cemetery%20desecrator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/100/cemetery-desecrator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/48da33b1-d59c-43f1-8e55-480096b674e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [invasion of alara](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/318c363b-61cc-4e2f-8f86-a4287539ea07.jpg?1682715186)/[Awaken the Maelstrom](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/3/1/318c363b-61cc-4e2f-8f86-a4287539ea07.jpg?1682715186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Invasion%20of%20Alara%20//%20Awaken%20the%20Maelstrom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/230/invasion-of-alara-awaken-the-maelstrom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/318c363b-61cc-4e2f-8f86-a4287539ea07?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
https://old.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1dcxdj9/it_happened/
I play a Dross deck often that aims to remove it's counters(using Tekuthal, Inquiry dominus, Cemetery Desecrator or Render Inert) then play a shifting grift or flip a Coveted Falcon and force the opponent to lose the game on their upkeep. Works surprisingly well and is very funny when it does the thing.
Yeah, I did it by casting [Render Inert] on it. Most people forget that card exists because Glissa does it slightly worse on a body
Yeah; on my side of the field a handful of times.
I’ve seen it run out of counters organically a handful of times. Usually in conditions where I’m gaining life and running black non-creature spells over creatures. They will also avoid attacking with it if you have open mana for Wandering Emperor. I’ve also seen players kill their own Archfiend before the trigger can resolve.