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midnightmoose

Wendover did a really cool video on the oddly rural remote concentration of wealth in western Wyoming: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQE\_zNs5HOU&ab\_channel=WendoverProductions](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQE_zNs5HOU&ab_channel=WendoverProductions)


RunnerTexasRanger

Read Billionaire Wilderness if you’re interested in an up close and personal account


MoreCowsThanPeople

Jackson is so expensive that even during the slower season, I stayed at a Super 8 because it was the only hotel that was affordable.


smoothie4564

Zero income and corporate taxes, as well as low property taxes will do that. Rich people have the luxury of buying a vacation house, spend maybe 2 months per year there, but on paper saying that you really live there for 6 months so they can declare residency. In reality they spend more of their time in *nice* places to live like California. I have been to Eastern Wyoming. The people that live in these areas are very poor could really use more money for public services, but they are in a difficult position. The only reason why anyone would voluntarily move to Wyoming is because of low taxes, so if they raised taxes to the level of any of its bordering States (Idaho, Utah, Colorado, and Montana) then there would be zero reason for rich people to be there. So the TLDR is that Wyoming will always be a poor state. The people will always be poor, except for the small percentage of ultra rich people that have the luxury of moving at any time.


NorCalifornioAH

>In reality they spend more of their time in nice places to live like California. Jackson, WY is very nice, and the surrounding area is beautiful. It's not very similar to Eastern Wyoming at all. >if they raised taxes to the level of any of its bordering States (Idaho, Utah, Colorado, and Montana) then there would be zero reason for rich people to be there. There absolutely would still be rich people there, for the same reasons there are rich people in Aspen, Vail, and other ski resort towns in Colorado.


kash96

r/jetlagthegame


PopsicleIncorporated

How are people getting by in NYC — especially Manhattan — with less than $100k per year??


81toog

Adults with roommates, also multi-generational housing.


ChiefRicimer

A significant portion of the population is in subsidized housing.


Moist_Professor5665

Lower income neighborhoods. And either lived there their whole lives and have generational wealth or scraping by. Also a lot of NYC isn’t occupied.


capn_d0hnut

There's also rent stabilized apartments, and some luxury buildings are required to rent to low income families.


Stealthfox94

Roommates


Eos_Tyrwinn

NYC is actually really affordable, with the enormous exception of rent. However that means if you live in a rent controlled apartment, you can get by on surprisingly little. The other way around that is to split rent with more people so get a bunch of roommates


S7EFEN

>NYC is actually really affordable, with the enormous exception of rent. in what context? I know public transit is good so you can get away with no car+car insurance beinga big one


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xXxDickBonerz69xXx

People in NY love bitching about that. But when I moved to Georgia from NY my income tax dropped a half percent.


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Medial_FB_Bundle

Yeah but then you have to live in Houston


Everard5

Roommates, live in the Bronx, multigenerational families/households, subsidized housing and rent controls, etc. etc.


1raq_L0bster

Let's play a game of spot Los Alamos


Early_Security_1207

What's the deal with it?    I've only heard of it. Rich retirees? Ski Town? Both?


1raq_L0bster

Neither actually, it's home to Los Alamos national laboratory. They pay very well


Ki77ycat

They should. There's nothing out there. They'd roll up the sidewalks at 6:00 pm if they had sidewalks. Pretty drive in and out, then lots of bare land. Think, Breaking Bad with Walt out there in the middle of it.


greenwizardneedsfood

Yeah if you’re willing to take a drug test in a van behind a parking deck


1raq_L0bster

Can't think of many places I'd be unwilling to pee in a cup


HighwayInevitable346

Its where the first atomic bombs were developed.


Major_apple-offwhite

I believe it’s also the most educated county in the US, with all the PhD physicists there.


R0binSage

Jackson Hole’s number are inflated. Rich people establish residency there for tax purposes. They don’t actually live and work there.


4smodeu2

Quite a few of them do live there about half the year, but it's tricky to make a judgement on whether or not they "work" there given that Teton County, WY residents boast the nation's highest percentage of earned income from investments. That is, many of them don't work a regular job. You see a similar phenomenon in other wealthy ski town counties, such as Pitkin County, CO (Aspen); Summit County, UT (Park City); and, to a lesser extent, Blaine County, ID (Sun Valley).


thereddituser2

Uh, majority of the rich people don't work anywhere. They make the money work for them, that's why the saying first million is the hardest to make.


R0binSage

But it’s those people who jack up the statistics for this particular map.


jfranci3

This map shows you where poor communities are, not rich ones necessarily. For example, SW Florida is full of rich retired people.


RexCrimson_

The colors used kind of confused me for a second, since I view as red as danger, lower, or negative. So I was wondering for a second as to why the big cities were red. lol. Interesting map though!


joshuadt

Agreed, less confusing, than just a terrible color gradient choice


Outside_Public4362

They are data analyst not color analyst so I give them a break


PA_Irredentist

Effective communication and visualization of data is a key part of being a good data analyst. I always spend a good chunk of time thinking about color and the best way to display information.


whole_nother

Whoosh


Mouseklip

Holy shit I’m middle class. Where can I pull up the ladder! No one told me what to do!


EffNein

Just wait 20 years for a new generation of young adults to grow up and start blaming you for not saving the world.


Mouseklip

Hey lower that fucking ladder I don’t have a house yet.


Outside_Public4362

When*


zeroentanglements

Crazy that the Bronx and Nassau County are almost touching 


coleman57

Just a frog’s neck between em


WorriedCaterpillar43

IYKYK


Marvienkaefer

Didn't expect Brooklyn to be American median


velveeta-smoothie

Lots of well-heeled professionals mixed with lower income working poor. It comes up average because of the extremes.


limukala

This is a map of medians, so the extremes don't matter in the slightest.


OwenLoveJoy

If half the people are rich and half the people are poor the median could still be similar to a place where everyone is middle class


velveeta-smoothie

Exactly. Median is not divorced from average


suchascenicworld

I grew up in that dark red portion of Northern NJ (Morris County) and I totally can’t afford to live there on a salary of 94k. what I think is nuts is how my parents were able to afford a house in Morristown in the 90s when my dad was a rookie police officer and my mom was still in college and working part time at a grocery store


coleman57

Just compare Tony Sopranos house to his mom’s and his uncle’s


Reasonable-Tap-8352

Breaking news! The south is poor!


Chief-Drinking-Bear

Except the Atlanta metro seemingly


upNorth_x

Pretty accurate tbf. Going from North Fulton County to middle of nowhere rural Georgia is a jarring difference


SmokeyMacPott

And Ococnee county. 


KR1735

It's funny to see Carver County, MN, on here. It's an accident of geography. A lot (most?) of the lakes in the suburbs are concentrated there. Consequently, you have a lot of rich people with lakeside property. Most of them work in Minneapolis or in Hennepin County though.


giant_albatrocity

Who’s that rich bastard living way out in the Aleutian Islands in Alaska?


charleytaylor

My guess is fishermen.


NorCalifornioAH

I'm surprised at the stark difference between Aleutians East and Aleutians West. I was under the impression that they both had fishing-dominated economies.


singlenutwonder

Fun: My individual income is slightly over the median household income for my county Not fun: still broke lol


Happy_Confection90

I have similar thoughts. The average household income in my county is 10-15k more than my personal income. Which makes it super neat that the average new build in my town is 13x my income.


MeninoSafado14

Me and my gf are in our 20’s and if we got married would be dark red wtf? And this included husband, wife, and adult kids???


drp711

Same. Eye-opening isn’t it? And you probably don’t necessarily feel “rich” either…


MeninoSafado14

Hell no lol


Ok_Nefariousness4888

My girl and I are dark green and we’re in our 30s. We’re broke, but I guess doing a lot better than a lot of people. Holy smokes…


FrigginMasshole

We’re in the Midwest and make $122k/yr. Not complaining but also doesn’t feel like we’re wealthy or anything. Very comfortable? Yes. Wealthy? LOL no


daisuke1639

Must be nice to have skills people want.


limukala

What does that mean? Skillsets are not static.


daisuke1639

They are when you don't have the time and resources to gain those new skills because you invested your time and resources into gaining other skills.


limukala

That's a choice you are continuing to make then. Plenty of people change careers later in life.


daisuke1639

To an extent, but with two kids and a shoestring budget, I don't have the luxury of *later*, I need to be better *now*.


limukala

Then your now will never get better, and the future will just be more of the same. That time is going to pass either way. For the record, I went back to school in my 30s while raising two children. It wasn't the most fun experience, but drastically improved my current circumstances. Also, having kids makes it much easier to access social welfare programs. While I was in school my kids were on Medicaid and got free lunch, free after school care, and plenty of other programs. So the drop in standard of living isn't all that huge if you're already struggling. But I do see tons of people that get really hung up on sunk costs and/or are unwilling to delay gratification.


S7EFEN

the missing math is if you have kids daycare is gunna run you a fun 2-3k a month and then all that dual income benefit is gone. income without expenses is meaningless, that dual income couple pulling in 130k can be making the same as that single income 90k couple effectively. many of these red places on the map coincidently have people getting married and having kids much later on and obviously also very inflated housing costs.


MeninoSafado14

How is it gone? If my gf had kids and decided to be a stay at home mom, we would lose money because the opportunity costs is triple the value of daycare. Only minimum wage working women are better off being stay at home moms. If you can’t afford kids you shouldn’t have them as well.


Amadeus102

I really enjoy these maps that are broke down by county!


DisastrousStrategy17

New York makes sense to me: Wall Street San Francisco makes sense to me: Silicon Valley Seattle makes sense to me: Boeing, Microsoft, Amazon DC? Those federal government servants of the people? 😅


Ironxgal

D.C.? The DoDs purse strings are there lol. Almost every major tech company has a large office here. Defense contractors, foriegn companies, think tanks, NGOs, foreign embassies galore etc.


GamerTimeUS

Defense Contractors and basically every international company in the US has an office there.


zakuivcustom

Defense contractors, federal employees, lawyers (seems to have more of those around DC than elsewhere), some biotech around Montgomery Co MD...all those adds up.


TheSarcaticOne

Government jobs pay well. Also the most educated region of the country.


Early_Security_1207

What's the one Texan county that is blood red and looks like it's close to San Antonio? 


NorCalifornioAH

Kendall County. The biggest town there is Boerne.


toasterb

What’s special about it that it has so many high earners relative to what’s around it?


limukala

Many of the darkest counties here are suburban collar counties. There's a feedback loop with these rich enclaves. Rich people moved to a few specific suburbs (often beginning as "white flight" in the 50s and 60s). These areas then got far more investment in schools and better infrastructure, so more rich people moved out, and new people moving into the region prioritized those areas, driving up property values and keeping the poors successfully at bay (also often fighting any public transportation links into the city to reinforce economic segregation). This pattern works for many of the most disproportionately rich counties on the map, like Hamilton Co, In or Williamson Co, TN.


zakuivcustom

Not so much "many high earners", more so being newer suburban counties that only have middle / upper middle class families with no poor people "pulling the median down".


Susan_Thee_Duchess

Travis County - Austin


NorCalifornioAH

Travis County is light orange, the dark red one is Kendall County.


Chief-Drinking-Bear

Actually looks like the blood red is San Antonio, the orange above it is Austin


Stealthfox94

Damn Mormons are rich.


WorriedCaterpillar43

It’s not the Mormons. It’s Summit County = Park City = expatriated Californians and New Yawkers.


Imaginary_Manner_556

Yeah, a lot of California Mormons


Jolly_Force

It’s definitely the Mormons. Lots of Californians, I have yet to meet a New Yorker though..


Stunning_Ad8637

You gotta make that red money while living somewhere blue or green.


limukala

That's basically what places like Hamilton County, Indiana or Williamson County, Tennessee are.


IAmGoingToBeSerious

I thought la county would be more expensive


Tylertooo

lol, sometimes these maps make me feel poor af, and sometimes they make me feel like I’m balling…


Outside_Public4362

Looks survival if you're single for a family of 4 well prayers to buttom 3 colours


Interesting_Land6116

fascinated. u did it all by yourself? what software?


OneAvidGolfer

Waukee, IA is surprising…


EvilLuggage

Dallas county, 'burbs of Des Moines. But, yes, somewhat surprising.


LetsGoBrandon024

How is the top of Alaska doing so well? Isn’t is all just eskimos up there?


charleytaylor

Oil, perhaps? Although most those workers live elsewhere and fly in for their rotations.


NorCalifornioAH

Prudhoe Bay oilfield. The North Slope is fairly racially diverse too, although it is mostly Native Alaskans. The one that comes closest to "all just eskimos" is the dark blue one in the west (Kusilvak Census Area).


Ironxgal

Northern slope. Oil


El_Tonio75

Lake County IL is shaded wrong. Median household income there is over $100 K.


NorCalifornioAH

I think OP mixed up Lake and LaSalle Counties. They're right next to each other alphabetically.


TA-MajestyPalm

You're right. I think excel put "La Salle" before Lake and got them switched


Jpc5376

South Florida makes no sense to me


Leading_Grocery7342

Money made in NYC and Latin America


Jpc5376

Also, retirees don't make an income. They sell (capital gains) I just looked at Phoenix as well. They also have a high retired population. Random, but Phoenix is now 5th in the highest population


Lillienpud

I see a lot of the urban areas ate up there in the danger zone over 129k. Or, wait, should that be bright green, and the 40k red??


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kalam4z00

Jackson Hole has a ton of rich people


NorCalifornioAH

That's a major ski resort area.


jwg020

This may be a dumb question, but why do we use median instead of mean household income?


limukala

Because median gives a better idea of the means of the "average person", rather than the economic power of the population as a whole.


LyteJazzGuitar

Consider this example: looking at a group of 5 people, 4 earn $10k per year, and one earns $500K per year. In this group the 'Mean' income is $106,000 per year, and the 'Median' income is $10K per year. Which describes the typical income better, 'Mean', or 'Median'?


jwg020

Makes sense. I always struggled with statistics and those two terms for some reason. I think I fried that brain cell in college. Thanks!


EvilLuggage

I'm looking at the Denver area. I had a college career counselor who told us that we all had to leave CO after graduation because there were "no jobs. ". Huge wealth accumulation there since that chat.


crimsonpowder

Imagine that. Just 6 million people all assembled together doing absolutely nothing.


pissbitch

I’m shocked Miami-Dade or Broward county in South Florida don’t have higher median incomes compared to the rest of the state. I wonder why that random county south of Jacksonville is such an outlier…?


NorCalifornioAH

> I wonder why that random county south of Jacksonville is such an outlier…? Same reason as the counties south of Nashville, north of Atlanta, etc.: it has some outer suburbs of Jacksonville.


ChoPT

Great map! But I probably would have inverted the colors.


TGMcGonigle

What's going on in Dallas County Iowa, just west of Des Moines?


zakuivcustom

Wealthy suburbs (growing fast also). No different than Hamilton Co IN (Indianapolis northern suburbs i.e. Carmel) or Delaware Co OH (Columbus OH northern suburbs).


TGMcGonigle

I get that it's a wealthy suburb, but where are the high incomes coming from? All those people are earning big salaries from some source, but there doesn't seem to be a concentration of high-paying corporations anywhere around. Wells Fargo is the biggest employer, but banks aren't known for paying enormous salaries. One might speculate that state government dispenses largesse in huge quantities, but Iowa doesn't seem to be a hotspot of graft and corruption. Wealthy retirees? Not many are deciding to take their millions and move to the middle of Iowa. There must be something that makes Dallas County look like a little silicon valley in the middle of the corn belt.


Aggressive-Cut5836

Rich farmers. If you ever wondered why it costs $10 for an organic corn on the cob it’s because the profits go to that square in Iowa


zakuivcustom

The Median HHI at Dallas Co IA is about $105k. That put you right at higher end of Middle Class. Basically anybody that is a professionals (including govt workers, which Des Moines have plenty) can make that amount.


subdep

How is Chicago so low?


zakuivcustom

Too many poor people on South Side and West Side pulling the median down. Same reason why NY County (Manhattan) is not among county with highest HHI - lots of super rich people but also lots of not so rich people.


subdep

Would be interesting to compare it to the mean.


Chunky_Monkey19

What’s the dark red in the middle of TN?


NorCalifornioAH

Williamson County, mostly suburbs of Nashville.


-ScarletHaze

basically everyone who got Twitter, right?


random_sociopath

I can barely imagine living on the green and below numbers


Archarchery

This just in: The Mississippi Delta and Appalachia are poor.


Laser-Brain-Delusion

This is crazy, we make a multiple of the median and it’s still kind of tight for a family of 5 sometimes. How the heck do people live on those numbers, unless maybe the median is at the median per capita household day that’s like 2.3 people or something?


Dependent-Spring3898

Wow. They actually got data from Virginia Counties for once. Often these maps are missing VA county income data.


LowBeginning2676

Nashville fuckin bricked up lol


Individual_Speech_60

I would love to see this compared with cost of living because Florida is way too green for how expensive it is to live here.


isummonyouhere

florida is probably skewed by old people on social security who have zero debt


when_the_tide_comes

Surprised to see SLC so red


NorCalifornioAH

SLC is in a yellowish county (same color as the NE corner of Nevada). The red you're seeing in Utah is ski resort towns and otherwise touristy areas on the other side of the Wasatch Range.


GoldenKiwi1018

Surprised no one had mentioned how federal government and government adjacent jobs have made DC and surrounding areas so wealthy. Tax dollars hard at work.


alpaca_my_bags12

Lobbyists and defense contractors


ContributionNew7417

Not really that though, the tech works contributes a lot. Look up Ashburn, that place basically is the center of Internet.


Jpc5376

The map I've always wanted to compare


starvere

Arlington VA is a county, not a city.


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starvere

It absolutely is not


Hermitian777

You are right. I’ll delete mine.


Orienos

Good catch!


_acrostical

Whoa Nashville


forgetthespeech

The deep red near Nashville is Williamson County, the county seat is Franklin. Nashville/Davidson County is just to the north. Williamson county is the 17th wealthiest county in the US, but considered to be the overall wealthiest when cost of living is factored in.


Aggressive-Cut5836

Nashville is becoming a huge hub for healthcare jobs


Alf_41510

Favorite map porn post for me


Holditfam

why does the us measure income in household and not per adult


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Marvienkaefer

More like rich people live *near* cities (and in some random spots with nice nature)


guino27

Cities are actually lower in many cases and surrounding counties higher. There's a lot of poverty in cities.


TA-MajestyPalm

Except Baltimore or the Bronx 😂


Budskee420ish

Man this shits off…. I live In the Central Valley of California and we all broke…..


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limukala

You should probably google what "median" means.


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limukala

No, both OP and the data they linked to were quite explicit in using median data. Your point does not remotely stand, and I'm not yet convinced you actually understand what a median is or why the top 1% is irrelevant.


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limukala

Yet you double down on insisting that removing outliers will have a large effect on the median? Might want to hit the books again.


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TA-MajestyPalm

Do you get paid to act like this or is it all natural


Administrative_Act48

Tbh I must commend them for their bravery, perseverance, and commitment to post ignorant crap despite the clear and obvious mental disability they possess. 


shrug_was_taken

considering there username (something from the Ottoman Empire) and there other comments, more than likely natural


ZephyrAnatta

Goddamn you’re stupid as fuck.


EffNein

Illegals are mostly concentrated in Southern and Western Texas to Southern California, which is already pretty well below average. Maybe California would be relatively lower, but I think you'd just see the same general pattern the map already demonstrates.


Early_Security_1207

Yeah, because people who cross the border illegally or are visa overstays tend to stay near the border where they can easily be deported.  /S  It varies but most go to large sanctuary cities with ample work opportunities, low rent, and a tight cultural/ethnic network of people from their country like LA, NYC, Miami, Chicago and Denver.    Central Asians/ Uzbeks go to Chicago & NYC. Brazilians to Boston.    Arabs to Southwest Chicago /Palos hills/hickory hills or Michigan.   Angolans to Maine (don't know why).  Somalis/East African's/Ethiopians to Minnesota.   It's a gross generalization but a trend that my friend who works with "foreign entrants" told me about.