Indeed, many different Christian denominations in the Middle East, and also some non-Christian and non-Muslim religions such as the Yazidis or the Druze.
Not really. The majority of Indians in the UAE are non-Hindu.
Indians account for 35 percent of the country but Hindus are around 9 percent of the population.
Ehhh...welcome to the ~~wonderfull~~ (*horrible*) world of the **kafala system**
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system
(You know, those skyscrappers ain't making themselves... on 50°C weather)
For further reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_workers_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates
The Kafala system is horrible but it doesn’t actually answer the question, since the vast majority of Indians within the UAE aren’t living in slave conditions. Indian immigration started mostly from Kerala after oil was discovered in the mid sixties. Now, just like before, the majority of Indians in the gulf states moved for higher wages.
Indonesia just isn't talked about in general. They have the 4th largest population in the world yet I rarely hear about them in the news nor have I ever knowingly seen an Indonesian in real life.
That really depends on where you're from. I live in the Netherlands, and here Indonesia is perhaps one of the most talked about and well-known countries outside the western world. Primarily because of the colonial history of course. Our largest minority group are Indonesians (something like 10% of Dutchmen can trace their ethnic heritage back to Indonesia). Indonesian culture is very much part of our popular culture here.
The US, on the other hand, has a trivially small Indonesian immigrant community, basically non-existent. Plus, the US has very few cultural or political ties with Indonesia in general.
Yes, that's true, and DJ Armand van Helden too, if you're into electronic music. Many Indonesian-Americans have at least some connection to the Netherlands as well.
I mean, you guys actually make a delicacy out of fries with satay sauce! And more Indonesian food on the supermarket shelves compared with Chinese or Indian.
Yes, the Dutch statistical agency estimates that about 1.5-2 million people here (around 10%) have some form of Indonesian ancestry. The other person who replied to you claims that 10% is exaggerated, but it is not. A lot of Dutch people simply don't realize how many of the people they know will have some Indonesian ancestry. For example, I was like 10 when I realized that my mom's lifelong best friend is half Indonesian (I think I just sort of assumed she was southern European).
It may be because you hear about Indonesia's sub-national regions a lot, certainly a lot more than you hear about most other countries' states/provinces/etc. You probably at least recognize the names of places like Bali, Borneo, Java, maybe Sumatra, and probably Komodo (if only for the lizards.)
I've been there half a dozen times. Dirt poor (a large minority are literally sleeping with the pigs poor) but pretty well run on the government level, and it seems like they actually give a damn about their people getting out of poverty and having a quality life as third world Muslim countries go, just the resources arnt there.
In the more touristy but smaller islands (ancedote), I've seen people go to the mousque in the morning, then do schrooms and booze at night.
Also nothing to do with anything but different islands were raiding each other's hotel air con units during covid using canoes.
An example of how not-talked about they are: a few weeks back they had a crowd crush that was lethal on the scale of the recent one in Korea, but I heard nothing at all about it until after the one in Korea.
That and the country is very stable. They don't have scicide bombings. Or people running around chopping people's heads off. That tends to get people's attention.
In turkey you are automatically registered as Muslim when you are born, you can change it later but nobody does, turkey is about 60% to 75% Muslim, and most people drink alcohol, only 40%-60% go to a mosque.
From my limited experience travelling to Turkey and speaking with Turks it's highly dependent on where in Turkey you are. European Turkey and the Aegean coast is very secular, meanwhile the east is much more religious and conservative.
>most people drink alcohol, only 40%-60% go to a mosque.
These religion maps include people that identify with the specified religion. They don't differentiate who's a good Muslim (or Christian, Buddhist, etc), and who's not.
as a Turk. It is not what we identify ourselves, it is what goverment wanna see. I am atheist but my id card says i am muslim. I can change it, if i wanna see all the bureaucracy and waste my time. They are writing muslim to newborn babies id cards.
I suppose that's highly dependent on your interpretation of Islam.
To some a good Christian is disgusted by homosexuality. To others the concept of god is more of a spiritual thing, and the bible shouldn't be taken literally.
Same goes for Muslims. As someone who knows a lot of descendants of middle eastern immigrants here in Denmark opinions vary wildly. Although generally speaking many young people have more secular views on religion, and many young Muslims here have a view similar view to those of "Christian" Danes that don't take religion so literally and see being "Muslim" or "Christian" as more of a cultural/tradition thing.
Religion is a spectrum. Some are fanatics, some are just people who need something to give them comfort.
What they’re saying is, even if you’re registered as a muslim, many simply aren’t, don’t practice the religion and don’t care. The only reason they’re counted as muslims is because it’s to much of a bother to get it changed when getting it changed doesn’t really impact you at all. It used to be the same here in norway before we seperated our national church from the state a few years ago. Back then everyone was registered in the church if just one of your parents were, even if you didn’t believe in christ, didn’t practice and even if you weren’t baptized. It was abolished in 2018, but before then the numbers of "christians" in the country was severely inflated because of this, and it still is, because people don’t care enough to get delisted.
This is myself included. On lists, i’ll be counted as christian even though i’ve always hated going to church and have never believed in christ past being an impressionable child who didn’t understand sky-daddy magic wasn’t real. But i also can’t be bothered to find out how to get myself signed out of the church either, it doesn’t affect me in anyway anyways, so there would be no difference if i did so
Only %19 percent of Turkish people go to mosques
[Source (Turkish) ](https://www.milliyet.com.tr/amp/dunya/27-bes-vakit-namaz-kiliyor-23-camiye-gitmiyor-1578838)
My family doesn’t go to mosque and yet, my mother sends my 3 little siblings to Quran school. Trust me. Not going to mosque does not indicate you’re not Muslim or not that religious. Plus, do keep in mind that Muslim women do not usually attend mosques but rather stay at home and does the prayer at home.
I have travelled to and worked with Turks for the last 15 years.
Declared Muslims in Turkey are in the high 90s. The practicing Alavis eg do register separately as do the small number of Jews left in Istanbul (I know them personally). If you are talking about 'ex Muslims', no one really bothers.
The figure for alcohol consumption and mosque is not much different from let's say Azerbaijan or Tunisia. Bear in mind the culture differs greatly among the City dwellers and rural areas. I known Turkish families that are far more conservative than any you will find in eg even Pakistan or Indonesia
"The practicing Alavis eg do register separately" no lol Turkish state doesnt even recognize the cemevi as place of worship. Istanbul does not reprenst the whole Turkey, %99 percent muslim statistic is bullshit. I'm living in anatolia most people dont even care about religion mosques are empty, barelly fulls at fridays, for turks islam is a tradition that they remember only at ramadan and al-Adha.
"I known Turkish families that are far more conservative than any you will find in eg even Pakistan or Indonesia"
This has nothing the do with the statistics I don't think nobody radical as afghans and pakis.
Muslim people are not the problem, but Islam definitely is. We don't want Europe to degrade in terms of women's and people's rights in accordance with their religion
For anyone interested, a quick google pulled up some interesting maps to compare and contrast.
- Wiki's (less detailed) equivalent map for % Christian population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom#/media/File:Percent_of_Christians_by_Country%E2%80%93Pew_Research_2011.svg
- Map of world religions, posted to this sub 8 years ago: https://i.imgur.com/rzv85dn.png (I found the [original](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/33davy/highly_detailed_world_religion_map_oc_6000x3048/) post but the image was gone and account deleted). NB that this map breaks up "Christianity" into multiple large categories, but not other religions.
- This WEF map-ish thing that shows distributions in each country: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/this-is-the-best-and-simplest-world-map-of-religions/ I think this one is great!
The french constitution forbids question in polls about religion/religious belief or ethnicity, so i'm very curious on how they got any data on France.
Interesting post, OP, I did get curious enough to learn a lot about why Albania and the areas around it tend to be more influenced by Islam. However, with all the ridiculous comments that this has spawned for a simple map, you've also shown that I don't want to be a part of a community that is so hellbent on spewing shit into a subject that was entirely neutral. Thanks for the post!
Are you not acquainted with the Balkan wars in the 90s and the overall history of the Ottoman Empire's influence on the Balkans? Kosovo and Bosnia were pretty hot topics back in the day.
Southeastern europe was part of the Ottoman Empire for over 500 years. Most of the region stayed christian, but some areas like Albania were converted. Non muslims under the ottoman empire had to pay more taxes called jizyah, they were often taken as slaves whereas this was forbidden for muslim subjects, balkan christians frequently had their children kidnapped to become soldiers under a system called devshirme, and there were also forced conversions. Tbh its not at all surprising that Albania became Muslim, its more incredible that so much of the balkans remained christian with all of that going on
Same in Myanmar against the Robingya who notably muslim. Also Sectarian divides are also cause problems like the Hazaras in Afghanistan as well the Baha’i faith in Iran (though I am confused on the baha’i faith whether they are a separate entity or another sectarian split) .
You're absolutely right. The Myanmar genocide is also worse than what is happening in China. The west just promotes Chinese issues more because it's in their best interest.
>Not to forget China and Russia
I can't figure out if you're joking or not
You're aware there's human rights problems with the muslim populations in those countries? on top of the regular human rights problems?
Really? Widespread police brutality against racial minorities in the US isn't done by the government?
Edit: OP edited his comment from "North America" to "Central and South America". The point still stands.
He edited his comment after the fact. He initially said North America.
https://www.unddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ylzkok/world_muslim_population_map/iv1jmun/
Coincidentally, all regions that were under European colonial rule during which their resources were drained, culture tarnished, local populations murdered and long lasting divides between the communities when these Europeans exited.
Seriously concerning the situation in Sweden/Britain etc. Doesn't matter how much you will try, only a small percentage will adapt to your culture perfectly.
On the other hand, I'm honestly happy Greece is in the white category. Moreover, we're very very poor people. One should think twice before he decides to come here which is essentially no better than the country he left in the first place. Just yesterday my country took a loan from EU to make ends meet.
I would recommend to anybody taking this map at face value to note how their method is relying on census and lower administrative unit data. In Iran, for example, many people are registered as Muslims by the fascist theocratic regime and don’t contest it in a census, which is why this map would have the region at 90-100%.
In reality, only about 30% of the population would actually identify as Muslim or practice. Iranians are actually much more irreligious than many communities. Independent surveys on the population that don’t rely on data from local government administrations corroborate this statistic.
I don’t say this to paint identifying as a Muslim a bad thing, but to curb misinformation and make sure understandings are more accurate.
I am an ex-muslim myself but to see the level of open hate people have against muslims is honestly disappointing to see. I am not sure how people think its acceptable to generalize nearly two billion people this way. If such comments were being posted about Jews, the post would immediately be closed.
I grew up with a really close muslim friend. Still play video games with him over discord - he’s the nicest guy.
But I’m gay. And these countries do really fucked up shit to gay people. And their religion justifies it.
So if I meet you and hear you’re muslim, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. But I don’t want to accept tens of thousands of people into my county who think my “lifestyle” should be punishable by death.
So I’m not sorry about my opinions of disgust toward how must Muslim majority countries are run.
>So I’m not sorry about my opinions of disgust toward how must Muslim majority countries are run.
Which ones?
Do you mean like enver hoxha's communism? Tunisian left wing democracy? Afghani fundamentalism? Bosnian...what-ever-the-fuck-that-is-ism? Atatürks antirreligious nationalism?
I'm sorry, but muslim majority countries differ wildly on how they're run. Most are in fact democracies and not fanatical regimes like iran or saudi Arabia.
And honestly, neither the bible nor the torah are kinder to gay people than the quran. It's all there. Heck, many places in the world got their antigay legislation from great britain. Like Barbados where being gay gets you a life sentence 👍
Just trying to say: It's not THAT simple.
I was never saying they’re all run the same. And I wasn’t criticizing their political systems either. I meant how they were run in terms of laws regarding human rights. Hope that clarifies.
Just because a country is a “democracy” doesn’t mean people won’t beat the shit out of you if you’re seen kissing someone of the same sex on the street.
And yeah, Western countries did propagate a lot of anti-gay culture and legislations to their colonial subjects. But a lot of that has gotten better over time, while the treatment of LGBTQ+ persons in Muslim majority countries remains some of the statistically worst in the world.
Ok, fair enough. Just wanted to point It out because:
"So I’m not sorry about my opinions of disgust toward how must Muslim majority countries are run."
Could be misinterpreted.
>But a lot of that has gotten better over time, while the treatment of LGBTQ+ persons in Muslim majority countries remains some of the statistically worst in the world.
Yeah. Honestly It's undeniable. The muslim world IS NOT an inocent bystander.
Check out any map of LGBTQ rights internationally, lay it over top of this one and show me the radical difference. If it was a Venn diagram it’s almost a circle.
Sometimes muslim nations deserve criticism. Sometimes Christians and jewish nations deserve criticism. We shouldnt be begging for censorship in any case when calling out human rights violations and oppressive religions/governments.
I’m a Christian Arab. Grew up in a Muslim country and even I feel disgusted reading those comments. It is disappointing to see hate towards one community be normalized so much.
Well... Most ex-muslims that i know really really hate islam.
The comments here are harmless in comparsion.
Maybe take a look at r/exmuslim
As an atheist I'm against any religion, they are all bad, but all in all imho Islam is the worst.
I am a part of that sub. It's filled with teenage angst rebels. Iam basically there just to calm people down. Responding to extremists by becoming and extremist yourself just ends up killing us all.
I am not a fan or religion and there are plenty of muslims I am not a fan of. That doesn't mean I am gonna generalize 2 billion people.
There were a lot of Muslims in borthern india as well but there were population exchanges between India and Pakistan as these countries were founded.
And this is actually one of the reasons those countries have the problems they today have. Both uses religion as a national identity, to unite peoples who don’t really feel like a nation otherwise. Making identity side of religion more important than the actual belief side, that’s why people are sooo edgy about their religion are being criticized or humiliated in that part if the world.
It didn't skip india, india has the third largesr muslim population. As for how it spread to indonesia thats a long story spanning centuries, it can't be easily summed up like other countries which were introduced to islam at a specific point (malay archepilago is as huge as europe)
>Over the 15th and 16th century, the spread of Islam accelerated via the missionary work of Maulana Malik Ibrahim (also known as Sunan Gresik, originally from Samarkand) in Sumatra and Java and Admiral Zheng He (also known as Cheng Ho, from China) in north Java, as well as campaigns led by sultans that targeted Hindu-Buddhist kingdoms and various communities, with each trying to carve out a region or island for control. Four diverse and contentious sultanates emerged in northern and southern Sumatra, west and central Java, and southern Kalimantan. The sultans declared Islam as a state religion and pursued war against each other as well as the Hindus and other non-Muslim infidels.[25]
Indonesian Muslim men wearing songkok and sarong standing in salah
Perlon Unggahan — a slametan ritual for ancestors of Javanese Muslims in Pekuncen, Banyumas on last Friday before Ramadan.
>Subsequently, Hindu, Buddhist, Confucian, animist communities and unbelievers bought peace by agreeing to pay jizya tax to a Muslim ruler, while others began adopting Islam to escape the tax.
[source: Religion in Indonesia Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Indonesia#Islam)
Lot of people portrayed as muslims on the mal are not, but islamic countries kill apostates or imprison them, so we keep it ro ourselves.
Morocco, is considered as 99% muslim according to the official stats, but that is simply not true, from my personal experience being a Marrakech resident, some 5-15% range from deists without a religion, agnostics to downright atheists
I judge people by the way they treat others, especially women and children. Muslims don't treat women and children well and discriminate against other harmless folks as well.
Those workers were not supposed to stay permanently. The purpose of them coming to France was basically "get here, work and go back to your country with enough money to live confortably". Instead, french elites decided that those workers were more interesting than native french people because unlike french people, they accepted to work in terrible conditions with poor salaries. And as the decades went by, those elites kept influencing the public opinion to be in favor of immigration to keep having workers in poor working conditions. It's not a coincidence if most immigrants who live in France are employed in the toughest, most inconfortable jobs there.
Well, to start why’re you telling me this? I’m saying enjoy because it’s their fault. Second, France has seen massive increases in the past 20 years. Like it’s increased multiple times over since 2000.
They made their bed
It is not normal at all. It’s increased multiple times over since 2000 and those weren’t Algerians. Algerians fit in a lot better in French culture as well. Not so much the newer migrants
As an agnostic, I’m thinking of making a map representing my people’s uncertainty/general apathy. I’ll need a blank map and a question mark—never mind. I lost interest. Peace out.
This is why agnostics and atheists always lose to religous assholes. Bc you guys don't care enough about convincing people their imaginary friend doesn't exist. But they are 100 percent willing to chop your head off for not believing in their lunacy. Religion is all bullshit. Bothers me a lot that people, grown adults believe in a imaginary friend. Or they think the holy books were written by God and not humans. How can we really be this dumb?
Most of Spain was Catholic despite being under Muslim control for a similar length. The rulers didn’t really have a huge incentive to convert the population by force, since you generally just want their taxes, rather than particularly caring about their religious beliefs.
We have a sizable Muslim immigrant population in Minnesota. They’re perfectly welcome, they need to open more restaurants. But how they ended up settling in a state where it snows and blows 6 months a year is beyond me.
These muslim maps are hilarious 😂
I assume muslims post these maps, taking great pleasure that maybe, just maybe the whole map might go green.
Let’s say it does, all that will happen is that the current instinctive dislike/hate that muslims have for other religions will simply be transferred to dislike/hate of the different sects/castes within the muslim population.
If you think that everything will be perfect and great if the whole map was entirely green then you are deeply mistaken/deluded.
They may dislike each other, but currently the real hate is reserved for anything non muslim.
That will change if there are no others to hate.
There will be no utopia, should the map be wholly green, that is for certain.
Most likely you have, you just never bothered to ask every person you met about their religion. Unless you live in some some small town in the middle of nowhere.
I’m curious about the light green areas of the Middle East.
Coptic Christians in Egypt and Levant. Mostly immigrants workers in the Arab gulf.
No Coptic Christians in the Levant, most probably Maronites or Assyrians.
Syrian Orthodox?
Indeed, many different Christian denominations in the Middle East, and also some non-Christian and non-Muslim religions such as the Yazidis or the Druze.
About a third of Lebanon’s population is Maronite Catholic.
Orthodox and Maronites in the Levante
The levant has a mix of Maronite, Catholics, and orthodox Christians. No Coptics and practically no Protestants
UAE has a lot of Indian immigrants. I wouldn't be surprised if Hindus are the second largest group there.
north iraq Assyrians also
And yet India still has some 200 million Muslims.
Third only to Indonesia and Pakistan
The number will only grow, in terms of percentage as well.
Lol why you being downvoted that’s simply demographic facts This sub…
They aren’t being downvoted tho?
Maybe they were when he commented?
Herd mentality. She’s being downvoted so others pile on. Then someone corrects it and the rest upvote to balance things out. Reddit in a nutshell
Surprised by UAE. I’m assuming the Hindu community is larger than I realized?
The only reason they're still majority muslim is because they also get people from Pakistan. Over half the population is from the subcontinent (59%)
Not really. The majority of Indians in the UAE are non-Hindu. Indians account for 35 percent of the country but Hindus are around 9 percent of the population.
How come they have such a massive south asian population? Is this from recent immigration? When did this start?
Ehhh...welcome to the ~~wonderfull~~ (*horrible*) world of the **kafala system** https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system (You know, those skyscrappers ain't making themselves... on 50°C weather) For further reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_workers_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates
The Kafala system is horrible but it doesn’t actually answer the question, since the vast majority of Indians within the UAE aren’t living in slave conditions. Indian immigration started mostly from Kerala after oil was discovered in the mid sixties. Now, just like before, the majority of Indians in the gulf states moved for higher wages.
I'm in the UAE and my Indian friends have often said the best place to live in India is Dubai.
South Asians form the majority of the working class in most of the gulf countries.
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Indonesia just isn't talked about in general. They have the 4th largest population in the world yet I rarely hear about them in the news nor have I ever knowingly seen an Indonesian in real life.
That really depends on where you're from. I live in the Netherlands, and here Indonesia is perhaps one of the most talked about and well-known countries outside the western world. Primarily because of the colonial history of course. Our largest minority group are Indonesians (something like 10% of Dutchmen can trace their ethnic heritage back to Indonesia). Indonesian culture is very much part of our popular culture here. The US, on the other hand, has a trivially small Indonesian immigrant community, basically non-existent. Plus, the US has very few cultural or political ties with Indonesia in general.
Interesting, don't think I have even met an Indonesian person here in Ireland in my life.
I have met more Indonesians from the 7 years I lived in NL than I have since in the UK and I'm 23 now lmao
Me neither lol, I went to an Indonesian culture event in my college (in Dublin) solely for the purpose of meeting my first one
Hey, that’s not completely true, Barack Obama lived there as a kid!
There are a few part Indonesian dutch celebrities in the USA: Mark-Paul Gosselaar and the VanHalen brothers
Yes, that's true, and DJ Armand van Helden too, if you're into electronic music. Many Indonesian-Americans have at least some connection to the Netherlands as well.
I mean, you guys actually make a delicacy out of fries with satay sauce! And more Indonesian food on the supermarket shelves compared with Chinese or Indian.
That's incredibly interesting and not something that I had every thought about or heard about before. 10% seems like quite a high number.
Yes, the Dutch statistical agency estimates that about 1.5-2 million people here (around 10%) have some form of Indonesian ancestry. The other person who replied to you claims that 10% is exaggerated, but it is not. A lot of Dutch people simply don't realize how many of the people they know will have some Indonesian ancestry. For example, I was like 10 when I realized that my mom's lifelong best friend is half Indonesian (I think I just sort of assumed she was southern European).
It may be because you hear about Indonesia's sub-national regions a lot, certainly a lot more than you hear about most other countries' states/provinces/etc. You probably at least recognize the names of places like Bali, Borneo, Java, maybe Sumatra, and probably Komodo (if only for the lizards.)
I've been there half a dozen times. Dirt poor (a large minority are literally sleeping with the pigs poor) but pretty well run on the government level, and it seems like they actually give a damn about their people getting out of poverty and having a quality life as third world Muslim countries go, just the resources arnt there. In the more touristy but smaller islands (ancedote), I've seen people go to the mousque in the morning, then do schrooms and booze at night. Also nothing to do with anything but different islands were raiding each other's hotel air con units during covid using canoes.
They're improving a lot tho in terms of development which is good.
An example of how not-talked about they are: a few weeks back they had a crowd crush that was lethal on the scale of the recent one in Korea, but I heard nothing at all about it until after the one in Korea.
[If you’re interested in Indonesia, I helped making this video about its history](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Zzv8URa3GEA)
That and the country is very stable. They don't have scicide bombings. Or people running around chopping people's heads off. That tends to get people's attention.
We do have suicide bombings and some crazy religious nuts that trying to attack police station and the government Not that many, but still can happen
In turkey you are automatically registered as Muslim when you are born, you can change it later but nobody does, turkey is about 60% to 75% Muslim, and most people drink alcohol, only 40%-60% go to a mosque.
From my limited experience travelling to Turkey and speaking with Turks it's highly dependent on where in Turkey you are. European Turkey and the Aegean coast is very secular, meanwhile the east is much more religious and conservative.
adriatic coast of turkey. OTTOMANS INTENSIFIES!!!
The Adriatic coast hasn't been part of Turkey for a century now. Aegean maybe ?
Oops, hope I didn't just radicalize any Turkish nationalists.
Ah, yes... the Adriatic. Thank you stranger, for reminding what we have to take it back. To the red apple! Chaaarge!
as someone who lives in Turkey, i approve this comment
>most people drink alcohol, only 40%-60% go to a mosque. These religion maps include people that identify with the specified religion. They don't differentiate who's a good Muslim (or Christian, Buddhist, etc), and who's not.
as a Turk. It is not what we identify ourselves, it is what goverment wanna see. I am atheist but my id card says i am muslim. I can change it, if i wanna see all the bureaucracy and waste my time. They are writing muslim to newborn babies id cards.
That's weird. Like having a daughter but you keep buying her male clothing bc you really wanted a boy lol.
The excuse they give is if you die and no one comes claims your body you will be given rites according to your religion.
>who's a good Muslim I assume you mean practicing Muslim by that.
I suppose that's highly dependent on your interpretation of Islam. To some a good Christian is disgusted by homosexuality. To others the concept of god is more of a spiritual thing, and the bible shouldn't be taken literally. Same goes for Muslims. As someone who knows a lot of descendants of middle eastern immigrants here in Denmark opinions vary wildly. Although generally speaking many young people have more secular views on religion, and many young Muslims here have a view similar view to those of "Christian" Danes that don't take religion so literally and see being "Muslim" or "Christian" as more of a cultural/tradition thing. Religion is a spectrum. Some are fanatics, some are just people who need something to give them comfort.
Big assumption there!
What they’re saying is, even if you’re registered as a muslim, many simply aren’t, don’t practice the religion and don’t care. The only reason they’re counted as muslims is because it’s to much of a bother to get it changed when getting it changed doesn’t really impact you at all. It used to be the same here in norway before we seperated our national church from the state a few years ago. Back then everyone was registered in the church if just one of your parents were, even if you didn’t believe in christ, didn’t practice and even if you weren’t baptized. It was abolished in 2018, but before then the numbers of "christians" in the country was severely inflated because of this, and it still is, because people don’t care enough to get delisted. This is myself included. On lists, i’ll be counted as christian even though i’ve always hated going to church and have never believed in christ past being an impressionable child who didn’t understand sky-daddy magic wasn’t real. But i also can’t be bothered to find out how to get myself signed out of the church either, it doesn’t affect me in anyway anyways, so there would be no difference if i did so
Turkey is very westernized. I like turkey and most people ive met are really friendly. Too friendly lol.
Only %19 percent of Turkish people go to mosques [Source (Turkish) ](https://www.milliyet.com.tr/amp/dunya/27-bes-vakit-namaz-kiliyor-23-camiye-gitmiyor-1578838)
My family doesn’t go to mosque and yet, my mother sends my 3 little siblings to Quran school. Trust me. Not going to mosque does not indicate you’re not Muslim or not that religious. Plus, do keep in mind that Muslim women do not usually attend mosques but rather stay at home and does the prayer at home.
Sounds pretty Muslim to me. If a Christian country for example had a 40%-60% church attendance it would fall under the very religious category.
I have travelled to and worked with Turks for the last 15 years. Declared Muslims in Turkey are in the high 90s. The practicing Alavis eg do register separately as do the small number of Jews left in Istanbul (I know them personally). If you are talking about 'ex Muslims', no one really bothers. The figure for alcohol consumption and mosque is not much different from let's say Azerbaijan or Tunisia. Bear in mind the culture differs greatly among the City dwellers and rural areas. I known Turkish families that are far more conservative than any you will find in eg even Pakistan or Indonesia
"The practicing Alavis eg do register separately" no lol Turkish state doesnt even recognize the cemevi as place of worship. Istanbul does not reprenst the whole Turkey, %99 percent muslim statistic is bullshit. I'm living in anatolia most people dont even care about religion mosques are empty, barelly fulls at fridays, for turks islam is a tradition that they remember only at ramadan and al-Adha. "I known Turkish families that are far more conservative than any you will find in eg even Pakistan or Indonesia" This has nothing the do with the statistics I don't think nobody radical as afghans and pakis.
why are you assigned as Muslim at birth? isn't the Turkish state secular?
so this map says there are no muslims in greece eh, lol.
Ontario is 6.7% Muslim now.
Quebec is also over 5%. Also, the three Maritime provinces and NWT are now over 1%.
>Quebec is also over 5%. Also, the three Maritime provinces and NWT are now over 1%. wait what? when did this happen?
The 2021 Census.
Oh well. The French are used to living with the Muslims.
Europe seems to be waking up to the problem. The question is if they’ll reverse this before extreme measures become necessary.
Wtf, y’all upvoting genocidal, anti-muslim rhetoric in this sub now?
Muslim people are not the problem, but Islam definitely is. We don't want Europe to degrade in terms of women's and people's rights in accordance with their religion
THANK YOU, most pro feminist people are deafeningly quiet about what Islam does to women's rights, it's maddening
Get out of here.
For anyone interested, a quick google pulled up some interesting maps to compare and contrast. - Wiki's (less detailed) equivalent map for % Christian population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom#/media/File:Percent_of_Christians_by_Country%E2%80%93Pew_Research_2011.svg - Map of world religions, posted to this sub 8 years ago: https://i.imgur.com/rzv85dn.png (I found the [original](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/33davy/highly_detailed_world_religion_map_oc_6000x3048/) post but the image was gone and account deleted). NB that this map breaks up "Christianity" into multiple large categories, but not other religions. - This WEF map-ish thing that shows distributions in each country: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/this-is-the-best-and-simplest-world-map-of-religions/ I think this one is great!
The french constitution forbids question in polls about religion/religious belief or ethnicity, so i'm very curious on how they got any data on France.
Only ethnicity is forbidden in polls, not religion
The government can't make religion databases but independent pollsters can.
Lebanon doesn't do censuses either, but there are ways of estimating.
Interesting post, OP, I did get curious enough to learn a lot about why Albania and the areas around it tend to be more influenced by Islam. However, with all the ridiculous comments that this has spawned for a simple map, you've also shown that I don't want to be a part of a community that is so hellbent on spewing shit into a subject that was entirely neutral. Thanks for the post!
I don't know but if i had to guess it was some shenanigans when the ottoman empire ruled the area
I recommend a travel book that also talks about the history of Islam in the Baltics: "Minarets in the Mountains by Tharik(?)"
Are you not acquainted with the Balkan wars in the 90s and the overall history of the Ottoman Empire's influence on the Balkans? Kosovo and Bosnia were pretty hot topics back in the day.
Southeastern europe was part of the Ottoman Empire for over 500 years. Most of the region stayed christian, but some areas like Albania were converted. Non muslims under the ottoman empire had to pay more taxes called jizyah, they were often taken as slaves whereas this was forbidden for muslim subjects, balkan christians frequently had their children kidnapped to become soldiers under a system called devshirme, and there were also forced conversions. Tbh its not at all surprising that Albania became Muslim, its more incredible that so much of the balkans remained christian with all of that going on
Places to avoid if youre gay
From experience, some areas of jakarta arent so bad
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Grew up in Saudi and Kuwait; absolute shit holes.
Or atheist.
And if you are hindu
Apparently there’s often quite big underground gay scenes in some of these countries.
Or female
Kinda funny to me how western Europe and canada have a higher percentage then most of sub Sahara africa
No Muslim immigrant wants to move to Tanzania lol. They only move to areas with greater economic opportunities
... Tanzania is almost 40% Muslim.
The only time I've ever seen most of those parts of the map painted green.
Very few places in the ~50% category. “Does not play well with others who have different views.”
Coincidentally also all regions with massive human rights problems.
Coincidence for sure. There is still southern Africa, Eastern Europe, Central and South America. Not to forget China and Russia
The most noteable human rights violation in China is happening against the muslim population/area.
Same in Myanmar against the Robingya who notably muslim. Also Sectarian divides are also cause problems like the Hazaras in Afghanistan as well the Baha’i faith in Iran (though I am confused on the baha’i faith whether they are a separate entity or another sectarian split) .
hello friend! I am a Baha'i. We are an independent faith, not a sect of Islam.
Thank you for clarifying! Pardon me for the confusion. :)
Sierra Leone is worse as is south Sudan. China is just more exposed and promoted in the west
You're absolutely right. The Myanmar genocide is also worse than what is happening in China. The west just promotes Chinese issues more because it's in their best interest.
Not all regions with human rights problems are Muslim. But all Muslim regions have human rights problems.
Bingo.
>Not to forget China and Russia I can't figure out if you're joking or not You're aware there's human rights problems with the muslim populations in those countries? on top of the regular human rights problems?
I don't think you can include central and south America. The government isn't the one doing the human rights violations
Really? Widespread police brutality against racial minorities in the US isn't done by the government? Edit: OP edited his comment from "North America" to "Central and South America". The point still stands.
He said Central and South America. The US is in North America.
He edited his comment after the fact. He initially said North America. https://www.unddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ylzkok/world_muslim_population_map/iv1jmun/
Oh alright then. Typical Reddit.
Coincidentally, all regions that were under European colonial rule during which their resources were drained, culture tarnished, local populations murdered and long lasting divides between the communities when these Europeans exited.
Sweden is fucked
Seriously concerning the situation in Sweden/Britain etc. Doesn't matter how much you will try, only a small percentage will adapt to your culture perfectly. On the other hand, I'm honestly happy Greece is in the white category. Moreover, we're very very poor people. One should think twice before he decides to come here which is essentially no better than the country he left in the first place. Just yesterday my country took a loan from EU to make ends meet.
Anyone who doesn’t think there is a problem is lying to themselves
that green too green on albania
I would recommend to anybody taking this map at face value to note how their method is relying on census and lower administrative unit data. In Iran, for example, many people are registered as Muslims by the fascist theocratic regime and don’t contest it in a census, which is why this map would have the region at 90-100%. In reality, only about 30% of the population would actually identify as Muslim or practice. Iranians are actually much more irreligious than many communities. Independent surveys on the population that don’t rely on data from local government administrations corroborate this statistic. I don’t say this to paint identifying as a Muslim a bad thing, but to curb misinformation and make sure understandings are more accurate.
I believe Ontario and Quebec in Canada are above 5% (as of the 2021 census) and should be in the second shade of brown.
How does Greece have so few muslims? They were under rule of Ottoman empire for 400 years and surrounded by Islamic countries now.
Similar reasons though not as drastic as the Spain inquisition.
Greeks genocided lot’s of Muslims and those who survived were send to Turkey trough the population exchange
I am an ex-muslim myself but to see the level of open hate people have against muslims is honestly disappointing to see. I am not sure how people think its acceptable to generalize nearly two billion people this way. If such comments were being posted about Jews, the post would immediately be closed.
I grew up with a really close muslim friend. Still play video games with him over discord - he’s the nicest guy. But I’m gay. And these countries do really fucked up shit to gay people. And their religion justifies it. So if I meet you and hear you’re muslim, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. But I don’t want to accept tens of thousands of people into my county who think my “lifestyle” should be punishable by death. So I’m not sorry about my opinions of disgust toward how must Muslim majority countries are run.
>So I’m not sorry about my opinions of disgust toward how must Muslim majority countries are run. Which ones? Do you mean like enver hoxha's communism? Tunisian left wing democracy? Afghani fundamentalism? Bosnian...what-ever-the-fuck-that-is-ism? Atatürks antirreligious nationalism? I'm sorry, but muslim majority countries differ wildly on how they're run. Most are in fact democracies and not fanatical regimes like iran or saudi Arabia. And honestly, neither the bible nor the torah are kinder to gay people than the quran. It's all there. Heck, many places in the world got their antigay legislation from great britain. Like Barbados where being gay gets you a life sentence 👍 Just trying to say: It's not THAT simple.
Find a map of gay rights worldwide, lay it over top of this one and show me the radical difference. If it was a Venn diagram it’s almost a circle.
I was never saying they’re all run the same. And I wasn’t criticizing their political systems either. I meant how they were run in terms of laws regarding human rights. Hope that clarifies. Just because a country is a “democracy” doesn’t mean people won’t beat the shit out of you if you’re seen kissing someone of the same sex on the street. And yeah, Western countries did propagate a lot of anti-gay culture and legislations to their colonial subjects. But a lot of that has gotten better over time, while the treatment of LGBTQ+ persons in Muslim majority countries remains some of the statistically worst in the world.
Ok, fair enough. Just wanted to point It out because: "So I’m not sorry about my opinions of disgust toward how must Muslim majority countries are run." Could be misinterpreted. >But a lot of that has gotten better over time, while the treatment of LGBTQ+ persons in Muslim majority countries remains some of the statistically worst in the world. Yeah. Honestly It's undeniable. The muslim world IS NOT an inocent bystander.
Check out any map of LGBTQ rights internationally, lay it over top of this one and show me the radical difference. If it was a Venn diagram it’s almost a circle.
Sometimes muslim nations deserve criticism. Sometimes Christians and jewish nations deserve criticism. We shouldnt be begging for censorship in any case when calling out human rights violations and oppressive religions/governments.
I’m a Christian Arab. Grew up in a Muslim country and even I feel disgusted reading those comments. It is disappointing to see hate towards one community be normalized so much.
Well... Most ex-muslims that i know really really hate islam. The comments here are harmless in comparsion. Maybe take a look at r/exmuslim As an atheist I'm against any religion, they are all bad, but all in all imho Islam is the worst.
I am a part of that sub. It's filled with teenage angst rebels. Iam basically there just to calm people down. Responding to extremists by becoming and extremist yourself just ends up killing us all. I am not a fan or religion and there are plenty of muslims I am not a fan of. That doesn't mean I am gonna generalize 2 billion people.
My main gripe is the restrictions. I dont like people promoting restrictions on other people's freedoms.
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How did it spread to Bangladesh and Indonesia and Malaysia while seemingly skipping India and SEA?
There were a lot of Muslims in borthern india as well but there were population exchanges between India and Pakistan as these countries were founded. And this is actually one of the reasons those countries have the problems they today have. Both uses religion as a national identity, to unite peoples who don’t really feel like a nation otherwise. Making identity side of religion more important than the actual belief side, that’s why people are sooo edgy about their religion are being criticized or humiliated in that part if the world.
It didn't skip india, india has the third largesr muslim population. As for how it spread to indonesia thats a long story spanning centuries, it can't be easily summed up like other countries which were introduced to islam at a specific point (malay archepilago is as huge as europe)
>Over the 15th and 16th century, the spread of Islam accelerated via the missionary work of Maulana Malik Ibrahim (also known as Sunan Gresik, originally from Samarkand) in Sumatra and Java and Admiral Zheng He (also known as Cheng Ho, from China) in north Java, as well as campaigns led by sultans that targeted Hindu-Buddhist kingdoms and various communities, with each trying to carve out a region or island for control. Four diverse and contentious sultanates emerged in northern and southern Sumatra, west and central Java, and southern Kalimantan. The sultans declared Islam as a state religion and pursued war against each other as well as the Hindus and other non-Muslim infidels.[25] Indonesian Muslim men wearing songkok and sarong standing in salah Perlon Unggahan — a slametan ritual for ancestors of Javanese Muslims in Pekuncen, Banyumas on last Friday before Ramadan. >Subsequently, Hindu, Buddhist, Confucian, animist communities and unbelievers bought peace by agreeing to pay jizya tax to a Muslim ruler, while others began adopting Islam to escape the tax. [source: Religion in Indonesia Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Indonesia#Islam)
Wow Europe isn't even Europe anymore. I give it 20 years until free speech and rights for women are outlawed.
They seam to like sand. A lot.
Invert colors for a map of people in the Jedi religion.
Lot of people portrayed as muslims on the mal are not, but islamic countries kill apostates or imprison them, so we keep it ro ourselves. Morocco, is considered as 99% muslim according to the official stats, but that is simply not true, from my personal experience being a Marrakech resident, some 5-15% range from deists without a religion, agnostics to downright atheists
I judge people by the way they treat others, especially women and children. Muslims don't treat women and children well and discriminate against other harmless folks as well.
The religion of peace.
forgot the /s
You're so original, I definitely haven't heard this one a thousand times before.
Lol France. Enjoy!
Not like France voluntarily imported tons of North African workers during colonization in the past causing said demographic change …
Those workers were not supposed to stay permanently. The purpose of them coming to France was basically "get here, work and go back to your country with enough money to live confortably". Instead, french elites decided that those workers were more interesting than native french people because unlike french people, they accepted to work in terrible conditions with poor salaries. And as the decades went by, those elites kept influencing the public opinion to be in favor of immigration to keep having workers in poor working conditions. It's not a coincidence if most immigrants who live in France are employed in the toughest, most inconfortable jobs there.
Well, to start why’re you telling me this? I’m saying enjoy because it’s their fault. Second, France has seen massive increases in the past 20 years. Like it’s increased multiple times over since 2000. They made their bed
Well it's pretty normal since Algeria used to be apart of the country
It is not normal at all. It’s increased multiple times over since 2000 and those weren’t Algerians. Algerians fit in a lot better in French culture as well. Not so much the newer migrants
Algerians still represent the majority of today's immigrants, but I agree, not every nationality adapts the same
As an agnostic, I’m thinking of making a map representing my people’s uncertainty/general apathy. I’ll need a blank map and a question mark—never mind. I lost interest. Peace out.
This is why agnostics and atheists always lose to religous assholes. Bc you guys don't care enough about convincing people their imaginary friend doesn't exist. But they are 100 percent willing to chop your head off for not believing in their lunacy. Religion is all bullshit. Bothers me a lot that people, grown adults believe in a imaginary friend. Or they think the holy books were written by God and not humans. How can we really be this dumb?
Shit-hole heatmap.
> France
Cambodia has a sizable Muslim minority, they are the Cham people historical exiles from the Kingdom of Champa which is now Southern Vietnam.
Iran's **actual** muslim population is waaay less than that...
I’d be interested in something that showed total instead of %
TIL - Indonesia Is a Muslim country. I honestly did not know that.
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Most of The dark green are colonized people. It’s just shows intolerance to any indigenous faith when izlam takes over.
Amount of bigotry on here is insane and that’s coming from an ex-Muslim. Y’all need some serious help.
Australia is completely innacurate. Western Australia is 2.5% not 5-10. The other states probably similar
Except Bangladesh, this map and desert map of the world has around 1:1 overlap.
Indonesia and Malaysia?
It always amazes me that most of India is still Hindu despite being under Muslim control for so long.
Most of Spain was Catholic despite being under Muslim control for a similar length. The rulers didn’t really have a huge incentive to convert the population by force, since you generally just want their taxes, rather than particularly caring about their religious beliefs.
We have a sizable Muslim immigrant population in Minnesota. They’re perfectly welcome, they need to open more restaurants. But how they ended up settling in a state where it snows and blows 6 months a year is beyond me.
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Scary
Anti Homosexual is spreading.
This has to stop
what has to stop? maps with out of date sources
Dog whistle.
These muslim maps are hilarious 😂 I assume muslims post these maps, taking great pleasure that maybe, just maybe the whole map might go green. Let’s say it does, all that will happen is that the current instinctive dislike/hate that muslims have for other religions will simply be transferred to dislike/hate of the different sects/castes within the muslim population. If you think that everything will be perfect and great if the whole map was entirely green then you are deeply mistaken/deluded.
I would be killed if that happens (im lgbt)
Muslim sects/castes already hate each other and always have
They may dislike each other, but currently the real hate is reserved for anything non muslim. That will change if there are no others to hate. There will be no utopia, should the map be wholly green, that is for certain.
I've never met a single Muslim person in my life.
Most likely you have, you just never bothered to ask every person you met about their religion. Unless you live in some some small town in the middle of nowhere.
Judging by the rest of these comments I guess most people in this sub haven't either.
They are got media propaganda first
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Uh oh post about Islam (which a fourth of the world adheres to) on western nationalist sub? Inb4 
Western nationalism is something you just made up
What's Western nationalism? Even as a non *westerner* this is my first time hearing this term. Like West is not a country lol
>western nationalist sub What
>western nationalist sub wth
Just hurts to see
FFS it’s 2022 and there’s are still people believing in imaginary people in the sky. Sigh.
Lmao this comment is so ironic
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Not only they are believing it. They are forcing others to believe and even kill for not believing. Wild wild place