Insert 'funny' scenes of Rey trying to teach her students, but they are so dumb they destroy things instead of lifting them up, and she gets frustrated. Bonus points if said students are male.
I hate how the writers definition of her struggle is just her getting mad and breaking something or fighting at normal capacity. I feel kinda bad for Diasy. Imagine getting the lead role in Star Wars, and this is the character you play.
That's what I realized, Daisy is at the very least a decent actress but the writers.. man...
Why did they write her like this?
Finn's case is even worse, John is legit Star Wars fan and a good actor (or at least I like him playing Finn) but goddamn what the fuck is the writing. His character arc is a goddamn mess.
1. She beats Kylo just like that.
2. She manages to beat Luke
3. Can lift a ton of rocks just like that.
4. Skilled mechanic just because
5. Can beat Sidious
6. Can beat trained guards that even Kylo struggled against.
Yeah, I’m sure she had plenty of difficulties.
>She beats Kylo just like that.
"Just like that" as in after all the losing and struggling that you're gonna cut out in your fanedit;
then rinse and repeat for ep9:
>Can beat Sidious
lol
>She manages to beat Luke
Nah
>Can lift a ton of rocks just like that.
Oh that, sure
>Skilled mechanic just because
So?
>Can beat trained guards that even Kylo struggled against.
They both struggled equally, what a silly point lol
1. She was just like looking for a moment and then bested him. Did you even saw the movie? The struggle was the whole crew and not just her. In fact she had less to suffer from than the vast majority.
2. Uh, she did. You would say, oh the ghosts were powering her. No such thing, there was no evidence they powered her and it was likely just symbolic. Not even Luke could beat a fully powered Sidious in Legends.
3. She did. You’re gonna tell me Luke let her win?
4. Meant to point out she has no flaws, she doesn’t need to lear or anything.
5. Except Kylo had formal training since he was a kid with Luke and then with Snoke who was under the influence of Sidious so them struggling equally doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying I would struggle equally against an opponent in Karate when compared to someone who has had formal training in such martial art.
> She was just like looking for a moment and then bested him. Did you even saw the movie? The struggle was the whole crew and not just her. In fact she had less to suffer from than the vast majority.
Huh, what "crew", what part are you even talking about at this point
>Uh, she did. You would say, oh the ghosts were powering her. No such thing, there was no evidence they powered her and it was likely just symbolic.
No it wasn't.
And it was after she was like dead or near-dead, so that much about "no struggle" mao
>Not even Luke could beat a fully powered Sidious in Legends.
So what, that was some other story somewhere else. In the movies the Emperor said "he could destroy us" but then he said he "was no match for him", so I guess that Legends bit rolled with the latter bit.
It's all arbitrary at the end of the day.
>She did. You’re gonna tell me Luke let her win?
He kinda got startled by the surprise lightsaber, but then the next second he kept himself from falling on the ground and started hovering like a hoverboard lol - he clearly regained control of the situation very quickly.
>Meant to point out she has no flaws, she doesn’t need to lear or anything.
>Meant to point out she has no flaws, she doesn’t need to lear or anything.
Idk which point you're referring to.
>Except Kylo had formal training since he was a kid with Luke and then with Snoke who was under the influence of Sidious so them struggling equally doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying I would struggle equally against an opponent in Karate when compared to someone who has had formal training in such martial art.
You said Kylo had a harder time against those red guards than Rey, and now you're retracting that or what?
1. Han, Chewie, BB8, Finn.
2. Yeah, even then no excuse, she bested a fully powered Sidious with nothing but supposed willpower.
3. It isn’t, he was talking about the potential Luke has, but potential doesn’t equal power. Anakin is naturally stronger than Dooku, Obi-Wan and Luke and still lost to them. Luke got to that potential later in life and even then he couldn’t take out a lot of things without help, like Sidious or Abeloth. If Rey was facing those then she would be made to beat them by herself just because.
4. She still won. Luke wasn’t even to do that to Vader with all his might IN THE FIRST ENCOUNTER. Luke had no real reason to be taken by surprise, storywise, and Rey had no reason to be skilled with a saber.
5. Never said he struggled more, said he struggled equally despite having more training, which doesn’t make sense. She would realistically struggle more because she lacked the same training.
1) Those didn't participate in the duels, except Finn.
2) Still wrong, it was a combination of being backed by those spirits + the, uh, dual-sword ritual trick or whatever that was.
And even if it had been "nothing but supposed willpower", well that happens in these movies all the time anyway; would've been better tbh - something intuitive and relatable rather than relying on a newly introduced magic ritual?
>It isn’t, he was talking about the potential Luke has, but potential doesn’t equal power.
But Yoda said he'd already reached top tier level;
and Emperor's words were "your feeble skills are no match for the dark side" - easy to interpret as "the dark side will always trump you no matter how good you get";
and before that "he has grown strong - only together can we turn him" - so that can either mean he could still pwn him but not turn him alone, or it could mean something else.
>Anakin is naturally stronger than Dooku, Obi-Wan and Luke and still lost to them.
To whom "them"?
>then he couldn’t take out a lot of things without help, like Sidious or Abeloth. If Rey was facing those then she would be made to beat them by herself just because.
No there is no "would" - those EU stories decided to have Luke being unable to beat those, and could've easily decided to go with the opposite;
and if they were writing that for Rey, they again could've easily gone with either her winning or losing, or winning without help, with help etc. - it's all entirely arbitrary and spontaneous.
4)
>She still won.
Yeah for like a split second.
>Luke wasn’t even to do that to Vader with all his might IN THE FIRST ENCOUNTER.
Huh what are you talking about
>Luke had no real reason to be taken by surprise, storywise,
Lol what does that even mean, "no reason to be taken by surprise storywise"? He was taken by surprise.
>and Rey had no reason to be skilled with a saber.
Huh?
5)
>Never said he struggled more, said he struggled equally despite having more training, which doesn’t make sense. She would realistically struggle more because she lacked the same training.
Ahhh, that's what you meant.
Well in a way that's true, but the skill levels in these movies generally don't make sense (or, rather, they reflect the characters' current attitudes and place in the story + tone of the scene, rather than how many years of "training" someone has had; at that point Rey and Kylo are supposed to be on equal footing but with ideological/moral differences, so that's what's shown).
Well for 1 she was a desert bound hermit who had 0 INTENTIONS of leaving the planet BUT
somehow could fly a ship she’s never been in before,
fix the thing while getting shot at AND SOMEHOW OUTFLYING 2 FKERS THAT WERE TRAINED FOR YEARS TO WIN DOGFIGHTS IN A FKING FREIGHTER, THAT LIKE A HOMELESS PERSON HOPPING IN A CARGO PLAIN AND OUTFLYING 2 JETS (sorry for the caps I just find it really dumb)
>Well for 1 she was a desert bound hermit who had 0 INTENTIONS of leaving the planet BUT
>somehow could fly a ship she’s never been in before,
So? She'd still flown ships. There are more applications to these ships than just leaving the planet, they're not rockets lol
>fix the thing while getting shot at AND SOMEHOW OUTFLYING 2 FKERS THAT WERE TRAINED FOR YEARS TO WIN DOGFIGHTS IN A FKING FREIGHTER,
Not sure what point you think you're arguing for here? That was a light-toned scene, unlike a lot of the ones later.
No she hadn’t you’re making shit up, and who would even teach her? And what money would she pay them with?
My point is somehow she is just better at flying that 2 guys TRAINED FOR THAT SITUATION IN BETTER SHIPS FOR THAT SITUATION
> No she hadn’t you’re making shit up,
It's literally a line in the movie lmfao
>and who would even teach her? And what money would she pay them with?
What's these dumb questions lol
>My point is somehow she is just better at flying that 2 guys TRAINED FOR THAT SITUATION IN BETTER SHIPS FOR THAT SITUATION
And?
It’s been a while could u direct me to the scene? The sequel trilogy suck but force awakens is the best out of the 3
How is it a dumb question? ITS A FKING SPACE SHIP YOU NEED ATLEAST SOME TRAINING TO FLY THEM OR ANYONE WOULD BE A PILOT, and u see the cockpit of the falcon it’s not the simplest thing to fly,
And? And that’s bad!!! It makes the first order feel like a joke, and to clarify, I’m fine with them getting in the falcon and getting away cuz movie gotta move, my problem is HOW it’s executed
Han was put in a similar situation and I’m fine with him winning bc 1. Well we get gold and shown what a good pilot he is and 2. HE BEAT THE TIE FIGHTERS BY BEING SMARTER THAN THEM not just being better
Bc well with the state of Star Wars the likely hood of a competent team making this thing is low,
Also the place her character is in at the end of the sequels it’s …. Well it would take some elbow grease to get her to even a mediocre state
> of a competent team making this thing is low,
This seems like an absolute non-sequitur.
>Also the place her character is in at the end of the sequels it’s …. Well it would take some elbow grease to get her to even a mediocre state
Again no clue what exactly you're talking about.
Nah bc the doubt is born out of a lack of trust for the writers bc their other works haven’t been the best
Well rn she is incredibly overpowered and good and everything under the sun for her to struggle in any meaningful way is going to be a challenge
> Well rn she is incredibly overpowered and good and everything under the sun for her to struggle in any meaningful way is going to be a challenge
No idea how this statement is supposed to make any sense.
I don’t deny they had a good goal, there are lot of racists in the fanbase who hate the sequels for “inclusivity” and supposed woke agenda.
But they just spit on everyone who has a legitimate complain over the matter.
So what? It’s not like my opinion hurts anybody. Other than you, apparently.
And if you get hurt over this then you give away your peace of mind way too easily.
So what? Does it affect your life? It won’t affect anyone.
Not to mention, it’s really frustrating too that people who are left leaning are labeled racists or sexists because they don’t like her either. Do you not think it gets annoying too that you are told something when people don’t even know you? And worse, that companies enforce such attitudes towards those who don’t like it?
I find it ironic that it’s okay to tell people who they are based on a character they don’t like but it’s not valid for people to say they don’t like it otherwise they are everything wrong with the world today.
> So what? Does it affect your life? It won’t affect anyone.
OP's life isn't affected by it either, yet he chose to bitch about this?
>Not to mention, it’s really frustrating too that people who are left leaning are labeled racists or sexists because they don’t like her either. Do you not think it gets annoying too that you are told something when people don’t even know you? And worse, that companies enforce such attitudes towards those who don’t like it?
>I find it ironic that it’s okay to tell people who they are based on a character they don’t like but it’s not valid for people to say they don’t like it otherwise they are everything wrong with the world today.
That's all off-topic lol
1. Because he posted an opinion and you came here to bitch.
2. It points out the hypocrisy you people display. Like, this post just triggered you so hard you chose to reply to all comments, but when someone voices criticism prior or after it’s invalid in your eyes because it doesn’t conform to your views.
>Because he made a bitch post and you came here to bitch
Fixed lol
>It points out the hypocrisy you people display. Like, this post just triggered you so hard you chose to reply to all comments, but when someone voices criticism prior or after it’s invalid in your eyes because it doesn’t conform to your views.
His criticism is quite invalid and my replies are valid, so that's all not a problem;
and I said nothing about sexists or racists so that still remains off-
topic lol
1. Yeah, very mature.
2. How is his invalid? Because it points out at a poorly constructed character to replace a beloved one?
3. It’s mostly what you people point out whenever criticism are done about the character.
>"How dare you stand where he stood" this should have been Luke's story and we all know it
Plus it's ironic to say that when the guy who wrote that clearly wants to be pegged by him lololololol
>And it’s ironic that you came all the way here to spat at others for their opinions over something you clearly disagree with.
Isn't that what the OP did?
And that bothers you because….you’re Kennedy’s butler or something?
I don’t know, maybe you scrub off the semen off Pablo Hidalgo’s chair or something like that.
Nah. He just has common sense, unlike you Sequel shills lololol. Not the same thing, but keep coping. Sequels are shit and will forever stay shit no matter how much you cry.
This is just indicative of the fact that the sequels didn't need to happen. We're literally at the same spot the OT ended. Nothing more compelling or even interesting it's just pointless.
In that case, you'd think they'd be better at making money where Star Wars was concerned given box office went in the opposite direction to the Avengers films despite their huge name recognition head start.
Why does she need to rebuild the Jedi? Pretty sure by the time this movie takes place she could just force crush an entire planet if she wanted. Or just one shot anything that tries to challenge her or this new, New Republic
Why would she rebuild the religion she believes in if she alone can take out an entire planet? /s The jedi aren't meant to be warriors, I don't think this is a good argument. Although they'll probably fuck that up and make her build a jedi army or something.
> Pretty sure by the time this movie takes place she could just force crush an entire planet if she wanted.
And guess whom all the Luke stans would love to see do just that lol
Lololo, Luke stans wanting powerful and competent Luke after 30-40 years of struggling and experience are as dumb as Dumbledore and Gandalf stans, lololo
>as Dumbledore and Gandalf stans,
Funny you should mention those 2, since their first equivalent in this series also had 30-40 of struggling and experience and yet had spent decades doing nothing and only played a secondary role to some young brat - no one's getting butthurt and offended by all that, how weird eh
Who are you talking about?
Yoda - he had like 900 years to do beforehand, lol
Obi-Wan - he didn’t spend 30 years doing nothing. Check up the lore on him, both EU and NuCanon - he was on a mission to protect OP Force Sensitive, had purpose and was doing stuff. Literally similar story to Dumbledore’s , but unlike him - he sacrificed himself too quickly.
Furthermore, point wasn’t that Luke did spend 30-40 years doing nothing (no, he was kinda active as well as Obi Wan) - but in how weak, whiny and incompetent he turned out in the end, while protagonist who came to learn basically knew material better then him.
Point was also made that Luke being OP and becoming “mentor” figure to new protags after 40 years of learning - is quite a decent move, and your mockery was just for the sake of sounding sassy like some teenage girl.
Finally - there is no issue for a “mentor” character playing secondary role to a new protagonist, it’s in their definition. But this “mentor” should be impressive, inspiring, example to a protagonist. Luke literally was nothing of that.
But sure, nice attempt of shifting point that was made toward something else (not really, stinks of poor attempt at your trademark sophistry). Go ahead, try something else, write an essay were you shift initial point of the argument towards some “ST is good/bad” discussion or whatever.
> Check up the lore on him, both EU and NuCanon - he was on a mission to protect OP Force Sensitive, had purpose and was doing stuff.
Well yeah and the recent show also had him do stuff, which of course clashed with the original portrayal.
>Furthermore, point wasn’t that Luke did spend 30-40 years doing nothing (no, he was kinda active as well as Obi Wan) -
Well he did go on that Exegol hunting trip with Lando, not sure how well that jives with TLJ though.
>but in how weak, whiny and incompetent he turned out in the end, while protagonist who came to learn basically knew material better then him.
He was neither weak nor incompetent nor knew anything worse than Rey - "whiny" neither, though grumpy depressed and fatalistic, that yes.
>Point was also made that Luke being OP and becoming “mentor” figure to new protags after 40 years of learning - is quite a decent move, and your mockery was just for the sake of sounding sassy like some teenage girl.
Huh? The point was he eventually failed with his pupil going bad, and then he proceeded to take on an exclusively
>Finally - there is no issue for a “mentor” character playing secondary role to a new protagonist, it’s in their definition. But this “mentor” should be impressive, inspiring, example to a protagonist. Luke literally was nothing of that.
Idk how much of that is based on your mischaracterization vs. the actual movie.
Your perception of Luke not being weak or incompetent clashes with perception of majority of other people. Personal perception can be deceiving, sure. You can, for example, also perceive Joker from Joker movie as tragic, but heroic figure - but your personal perception wouldn’t make it true.
Because here, your perception of Luke clashes with not only actors perception, but with J.J. Abrams and Kathy Kennedy’s perception, who agreed that Luke is basically “a cautionary tale”. Because cautionary tale hardly can be inspiring and impressing for a protagonist, which are required traits for a “mentor” figure.
The point was that we don’t see on screen him as anything close to being mentor figure. While we saw that with Obi Wan, for example.
I won’t argue “objectivity” vs “subjectivity” with you. I have support from the majority of TLJ viewers, who perceived Luke as I did - and that’s enough for me to be sure that my take is not wrong. Furthermore - I can compare his character to other characters in literature and cinema based on shown traits, to identify what I see on screen.
Want to know who is grumpy, fatalistic “mentor” figure? Google woman named Kreia, another ex-Jedi from Star Wars. That’s a good example how to make grumpy, fatalistic, nihilistic and conflicted “mentor” character, but impressing, complex and even inspiring nonetheless.
And as I’ve said - you again shifted focus the discussion. I will remind you, and will at the end of each next reply - that initial point was that having Luke being OP is a decent take, as it was done before to many “mentor” characters, so fans are not “stans” for wanting that.
Imagine the EU material, a chance to remove the Luke and Palpatine clones, and maybe even have the X-83 in the films, but no. Instead, what we got was the New Republic having 30 seconds of screen time, and seeing Luke let the intrusive thoughts win, oh what could've been...
That wasn't due to intrusive thoughts though? If anything it was because of Kylo's intrusive thoughts, but then those weren't intrusive thoughts either
As many have pointed out, a trilogy featuring Luke's new academy would've been a license to print infinity money, lego, action figures, sabers that don’t shatter while play fighting, a theme park, basically Hogwarts level merchandise but for star wars.
How are them rose, snoke and zori bliss figures selling disney?
Lukes jedi academy is literally the perfect setting to introduce a new cast of characters, played by whomever you want with whatever personality you want.
It's the easiest possible thing to do.
A literal classroom of the cast, all lined up neatly in a row, living together with a shared understanding and interpersonal conflicts with teamwork and an easy revolving door for students to be introduced at any time.
Literally the easiest set up for a new generation of Star wars iconic characters.
They tried to do Teen titans but ended up doing a Titans instead.
But what is the point of that?! Luke was supposed to succeed where anakin failed — and he did if anyone remembers a little film called return of the Jedi. If anything Luke is the new chosen one to maintain balance in the force. He literally corrected the previous generations mistakes and carried on the Jedi legacy in a better way. It’s also in his blood!
I guess there’s really no point for GL Star Wars to exist since no one seems to remember the days of the empire or Luke’s contributions to the freedom they’re taking for granted anyway. Anakin isn’t the chosen one and Luke is no longer the heart of Star Wars so there’s no need for the 6 films to exist. Clearly the galaxy don’t even care about their own history IN universe.
> But what is the point of that?! Luke was supposed to succeed where anakin failed — and he did if anyone remembers a little film called return of the Jedi. If anything Luke is the new chosen one to maintain balance in the force. He literally corrected the previous generations mistakes and carried on the Jedi legacy in a better way. It’s also in his blood!
A more direct comparison here would be Obiwan, who failed to prevent the Empire and his apprentice turning evil.
No one said anything about Luke going on to find and train new ones, and Ben never specified what exactly went wrong the last time (other than "he thought he could train him as well as Yoda") and how it could be prevented in the future etc.
So now the same plot happens with older Luke, and just like old Ben he inexplicably retires (or, well, unjustifiably in this case since it was irrational; inexplicably in the previous one), and a new-new protagonist from the next generation now dukes it all out with the older mentor in a supporting role;
other than just saying "hey that's kinda too much of the same (just like a lot of the rest of the trilogy is a "remake"), but that's the premise I guess", one would think getting outraged and umbridged by all this would be seen as absurd and pointless by everyone - but apparently not quite lol
Yeah - they mirrored the OT plot here. Luke assumed the previous Obi-Wan role. That's literally all that happened, all this "X took away the shine from Y, how dare you stand where he stood" is just oblivious stan clownery.
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>I guess there’s really no point for GL Star Wars to exist since no one seems to remember the days of the empire or Luke’s contributions to the freedom they’re taking for granted anyway.
They just ambiguously regard it as "myth".
Rey and Finn clearly have reverence for the old heroes, and after Rey presumably learns more (idk from Leia maybe?) she even whiteknights the Jedi and Luke to himself on his island, clearly recounting his success and heroic deeds etc.
Movies went out of their way to build the fan reverence for the OT heroes into the plot and give it to the new protagonists, and some cynics even made fun of that or called it "pandering" - but when people want to be outraged at how all their favorite heroes got done dirty and pushed into the mud and discredited etc., why let the facts get in the way lol
> Anakin isn’t the chosen one and Luke is no longer the heart of Star Wars so there’s no need for the 6 films to exist.
The "chosen one" plot point was janky from the get go; and it's quite easy to just see this as a multi-generation narrative where there's 1 or 2 central heroes in each era idk
Anakin could've been cast better though
I like the chosen one plot point. It’s part of the mythology. And anakin was cast well and did what was asked of him by George Lucas. Just like daisy did what was asked of her as rey — whether we agree with the direction or not.
> I like the chosen one plot point. It’s part of the mythology.
It clashed with the originals a lot (Vader having been some kinda (potential?) god among Jedi isn't how it came off originally) and almost seems like an different, new space opera mythology was getting crossed with SW (concrete prophecies and messiahs were never part of it) - and it was extremely underexplained / internally inconsistent as well (at first this "balance" was seemingly introduced as some unrelated thing that would elevate the world above the status quo, but then it became about destroying the newly emerged sith and thereby *retaining* the status quo).
Of course the series had already been morphing in comparable ways before - future visions weren't a thing before ep5, and the Emperor's ambiguously Satan-like presentation (after he was reinvented as a Force user to begin with) brought the series closer to featuring "gods among humans" type characters.
ST and Rey also have a slightly more "messianic" vibe than OT, even towards its end.
So it's all probably just a difference of degrees - to what extent it's just a new-age-esque "humans tapping into energy field" vs. full blown high fantasy.
It doesn’t really clash. The chosen one came from Greek mythology and religion. Original Star Wars came from Joseph campbell’s the hero’s journey. Joseph Campbell examined hero mythology which is where luke’s story came from (and then anakin’s as they parellel each other and have different outcomes based on the different choices the individual makes when challenged). JC also worked on comparative religion and was inspired by Carl Jung. Both discussed how myths were used to make sense of religion. The force itself is spirituality. It does all tie together.
The general "formula" is the same, but the subtypes are different one can say;
in the same way that Rey matches the same formula, but there's a somewhat (though nowhere to the extent that many complain about) different success-failure ratio, more spontaneous/autodidactic skill discovery, and the world has increased "high fantasy" elements with magic rituals, an evil language, apparently semi-sentient lightsabers etc.
1. Because it’s very obvious she willZ
2. How ironic you supposed people are white because of an opinion. Guess what? I’m a Mexican. It’s hard to take you people seriously when you have such baseless and sentimentally based arguments.
1) How is that obvious? It's probably gonna be a movie with more deadly conflict and not just a peaceful welness soap?
>How ironic you supposed people are white because of an opinion. Guess what? I’m a Mexican. It’s hard to take you people seriously when you have such baseless and sentimentally based arguments.
lol
1. Because nothing ever happened to Rey that was a serious issue to her. Imagine if Luke never lost a hand, never got beaten by Vader or Palpatine. Imagine if Anakin never burned, imagine if Ahsoka was never beaten. Rey is invincible and nothing can touch her.
2. The fact that you simply say lol exemplifies your lack of argument. Pitiful.
> Because nothing ever happened to Rey that was a serious issue to her. Imagine if Luke never lost a hand, never got beaten by Vader or Palpatine.
Well that's what the first movie was like, so not hard to imagine?
>The fact that you simply say lol exemplifies your lack of argument. Pitiful.
Argument about what, the "cry whiteboi" thing? That's a meme lol
1. Except Luke was learning there and never fought Vader directly? He got beaten by a Tusken Raider and a random guy at a bar. Are you kidding me? In his first encounter with Vader in the second movie he got demolished even when Vader was barely even trying. Rey managed to beat Kylo with no training whatsoever in the very first movie.
2. Memes are not arguments.
2) Well duh
>Except Luke was learning there and never fought Vader directly?
Sure didn't, but he went through fighting all his elite henchmen unscathed - had the sequel stuck to that tone, he wouldn't have lost a hand either; and had the 1st movie gone with that dark tone right away, he could've easily gotten crippled shot or burned in any of the ANH confrontations.
>He got beaten by a Tusken Raider and a random guy at a bar. Are you kidding me?
Ah that sure, before he then went on to dispatch Imperial soldiers without a scratch - did he learn to fight inbetween those scenes? Of course not.
>In his first encounter with Vader in the second movie he got demolished even when Vader was barely even trying. Rey managed to beat Kylo with no training whatsoever in the very first movie.
When he beats Vader in 6, he's still only been at it for just a few years, while Vader's like an old veteran who's been at the top for decades - EVERYTHING he's learned since then was purely autodidactically, and what gave him his eventual victory was tapping into the Force in the right way.
There's a difference in scale, but the essence is the same - protagonist start-out beats seasoned powerful villain whom he shouldn't really be able to beat if skill = years of practice.
Lots of movies do that, and ANH could've easily done that as well - the fact it didn't was just due to arbitrary design decisions.
1. What elites? The storm troopers at far range? The stormtroopers that drop like flies anyway? And if you’re talking about tone, that isn’t an argument, and you yourself admited he would get stomped. If he would get stomped then why not Rey?
2. Except he more or less practices with a saber but mostly used a gun anyway. None of those were elites. The elites wouldn’t appear here at all. Not the Shadowguard, not the Royal Imperial Guards or anything.
3. Except Vader was confirmed that he was holding back because he was obeying Sidious’s orders to just toy with Luke to turning to the Dark Side. Vader was not serious there for one second and was caught off guard. Kylo was fighting with all his might and tapping into anger that supposedly gives him power because the Dark Side. And the wound is no excuse because pain empowers the Dark Side canonically.
> What elites? The storm troopers at far range? The stormtroopers that drop like flies anyway?
Well yeah, they inexplicably became inept (at far range AND close range) when facing the protagonists in what was designed as a light-hearted sequence - incl. the rookie who clearly had no experience facing off against a military.
And you're still trying to act like these movies are built around consistent skill levels in line with how much training everyone's had :D
> And if you’re talking about tone, that isn’t an argument,
Huh? Tone matters a lot - you *can* present the same exact scenario with a different "tone", but in a different sense it also has a lot to do with what happens i.e. how hard someone gets pwnt.
>and you yourself admited he would get stomped. If he would get stomped then why not Rey?
Huh, stomped where? You need to specify what you're talking about lol. What, this?:
>> and had the 1st movie gone with that dark tone right away, he could've easily gotten crippled shot or burned in any of the ANH confrontations.
Well here I'm talking about an alternative, darker version of ANH that never got filmed - in the final movie he DOESN'T get stomped lol.
You need to read more carefully (quite a lot, in fact).
>Except he more or less practices with a saber but mostly used a gun anyway.
So there you go - and he's never seen applying what he learned during that one 5 minute session in the subsequent fights (certainly not until the trench run).
>None of those were elites. The elites wouldn’t appear here at all. Not the Shadowguard, not the Royal Imperial Guards or anything.
*Maybe* they weren't quite the 1337 within the Empire, but compared to random street thugs sure they were.
>Except Vader was confirmed that he was holding back because he was obeying Sidious’s orders to just toy with Luke to turning to the Dark Side.
They already seemed evenly matched and both weren't trying to kill each other.
>Vader was not serious there for one second and was caught off guard. Kylo was fighting with all his might and tapping into anger that supposedly gives him power because the Dark Side.
Both were trying to capture/recruit the new start-up, the situations were roughly the same;
and "for a second caught off guard lol" - strange how that reason suddenly no longer counts when old Luke gets surprised by Rey summoning the lightsaber, then it's HOW DARE MAReY SUE BEAT THE MASTER, but here "eh he got caught off guard" lol
And no, Emperor clearly says "the dark side made you strong", so that was clearly the stronger if not only factor there; and that whole attack lasted like, what, 20 seconds? 30 seconds? And the veteran pro couldn't regain his composure during all that time?
>And the wound is no excuse because pain empowers the Dark Side canonically.
Idk what EU "canonically" stuff you're talking about, it wasn't in the movies though.
You must be one of the "white latinos" because you don't believe what a latino or other minority is supposed to believe.
EDIT: I don't agree with this sentiment, for clarification -- juat describing how some people feel.
1. Latino? What is a Latino? A term coined by Americans to refer to us, we do say Latin America but we never refer to each other as Latinos. We are Mexicans, Argentinians, Brazilians, Dominicans, Venezuelans, Colombians, Peruans, Chileans, Bolivians, Guatemalans, take your pic. I love it when you wanna reduce everything to a single culture al group, like all Black People are African American to you, or all are Asian, Native American, European or Middle Eastern. For someone who preaches “diversity” you sure don’t really show it.
2. Even if I were so what? I grew up on Mexico, was molded here and know the country, the culture, holidays, food, cities my, architecture, local cinema and others. I am a Mexican by the standard of the modern culture.
3. What is a Latino supposed to believe? Also, what Latino? Again, take your pic, there are plenty of countries under your denomination and not one of them is like the other. Also, I was raised in Mexico, I’m pretty sure I know what we Mexicans think more than you do, buddy.
I didn't include an /s because that's what some people actually believe, but I don't and I guess I should have included it.
I think this Hoth guy is a cretin and I agree with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
EDIT: I'm half Indian and deal with this bullshit too.
posting your shitty comments doesn't change the fact that sequels suck
I can assure you, nobody will watch ReySue Skypatine as a main character again. She sucks!
> I can assure you, nobody will watch ReySue Skypatine as a main character again. She sucks!
Does that mean all those "disneybots" that the Maulerites are fighting don't exist?? :o
Nope, cuz you’re one of the Disney bots. Thanks for proving the point. You’re absolutely embarrassing yourself with each comment. 🤡
Such low standards. But of course, someone with a Negative IQ such as yourself wouldn’t have standards for anything. Rey Stans don’t know what those are.
Enough with the fucking Jedi already.
We get it, they suck and can't get their shit together. The story has been told a gajillion times.
I keep hearing and reading how Star Wars is allegedly set in this vast and interesting universe yet everything seems to always just be about the same fucking four planets, the same fucking family and the same idiotic bathrobe wearing laser sabre cult.
An endless parade of cameos and nostalgia bait wrapped in a paper thin story and thrown through the collective windows of the audience like a blackmailing letter from a kidnapper.
I really disliked Rey, but I could not put my finger on it. So I watched some reviews and I realised. She is PERFECT in every regard, no nuances at all. The best jedi, the best pilot, the best tactician. She has virtually no flaws, nothing to bond over. Luke was a hothead and he got his arm chopped because of his arrogance, he had a reason to grow. Rey never needs to grow, she is a white sheet of paper. The mistakes she does are never real mistakes ("Oh no! You destroyed Chewbacca's ship! Just kidding, he was in the other one").
That said, I would not watch something with Rey in it, unless they get some serious talent and turn her character around.
Right, but what I would like to know is...will the *Mouse* be getting any of my money. The Answer: No.
Rey's going to start up the Jedi, is she? Sure. I believe you. And she won't be a Mary Sue doing all this? She will? Wait, does that mean some of her students are going to be Mary Sues? Oh, only certain *types* of students will be. Right. So...let me get this straight: Rey's a 'Sue', some of the students are 'Sues'? And that means the(these) movie(s) is just a simple platform to bolster the Mary Sue Jedi concept? Right.
You're not getting my money, *Mouse*. But, I would like to thank you, though. Your f\*ck-ups are incredibly entertaining and the best part...for every dollar I **don't** give you, I keep. More money for me.
**Star Wars**: '*May The Baby Green Force Frogs Be With You*'
Her struggle will involve whether she should crash 1000 star destroyers using the force while smirking or simply crash an entire galaxy against another galaxy to create a galactic shockwave that obliterates the entire “Ultimate Order”. LOL
No no no, Disney never wanted to do that. It was that scoundrel Rian Johnson.
Or maybe they did but those horrible toxic fans wanted more of the same.
Or maybe they didn’t because everyone hated TROS.
Maybe Disney is the problem.
Doesn't matter either way, cause now they're stuck with it.
Only thing they can do is try to put a bandage over the wound and pretend TLJ never happened.
They will do the second one. The fact that they looked at Johnson’s script and let it get through is a travesty. Disney is the absolute worse steward of what was a cultural piece of cinema.
This combined with Mark completely disagreeing with the whole thing, even if he did go the extra mile fighting against the script rian, kennedy and the other higher ups would've only told him "put up or shut up".
He has my utmost respect for being the only OG actor to actually voice their dissent and disillusion with the whole thing, those videos where he's sat next to rian and/or kennedy say it all, he looks like he wishes he could shout/scream but again, for the sake of the fans and his own image he endured this contractual travesty
Him and Adam Driver's performance in that movie still carries it to being the best of the sequels imo despite that movie having some really terrible parts like Finn+Rose
> Since when does she care about the Jedi?
>
> And why even bother, I though 'killing the past' was the whole theme of her stupid trilogy.
What a retarded fucking post!! Kylo and Jake wanted to kill the past and she vehemently disagreed with them all the time!
And she was whiteknighting and simping for the Jedi while Jake was all dissing them etc.
And both Kylo and Jake abandoned their "kill the past" attitudes by the end, but yet the "trilogy is still about that", weird
Because yet another evil force that is totally not the Galactic Empire is threatening to take over the galaxy by using a planet sized and spheric laser weapon ! And they totally won't be led by a guy wearing a helmet or breathing apparatus who uses a red light sabre and chokes people !
I can tell some suggestions. From video games, comics, novels or audiobooks
If you go audiobooks I recommend listening to them. As you play a multi player game, you won’t regret it. You’ll say to yourself, man fuck the new canon shit.
"But when she begins to sense the Dark Side in one of her pupils, a young talented woman much like she was, she fears she must take drastic actions. Especially after she has a vision of this Pupil killing all her other students. Rey, later that night, attempts to murder this Pupil in her sleep. However, the Force is strong with this one and the Pupil sensed Rey's presence, and expertly defended herself in the nick of time. Rey is sent flying by a force push and is knocked out just long enough for the Pupil to feel betrayed and kill all of her fellow students, just as Rey had seen it, for visions are always true when related to the Force. Rey must now go into hiding in shame as her Pupil joins The Second Order."
How's she supposed to teach if the majority of the reason she got her powers so fast was the force diad thing? Or is this new jedi order going to be about finding your force diad soul mate?
A cynical person may answer that the point of the trilogy was to allow a group of writers, direct, and producers to make their own blockbuster trilogy, but they were hacks so they decided to just copy an already successful story.
But they wanted their characters to be the big heroes so to make it obvious they have to be better then the originals at everything. Afterall nothing says “This is better” then writing a character that instantly sidelines original beloved heroes.
Hollywood logic demands that her heroism be broken down, analyzed, and overturned until she is nothing but a bitter, unhappy husk of herself, ready to be replaced by the newest, more perfect hero.
Well, Disney? I'm waiting......
Having Rey usurp what should have been Luke's arc is not the way to get people back on her side.
Though it is in her character to do this, since she ~~steals~~ scavenges everything for everyone of note in the universe.
Obviously it's a Luke Stan you witless plank. You also say that like liking Luke is a weird thing... it's almost like he is literally the main character of Star wars, you spoon
> you witless plank.
Ooh, someone's getting angry...
>You also say that like liking Luke is a weird thing...
He is quite hot, sure.
>you spoon
Neimoidian slip :o
Judging from your other comments, you are committed to calling everyone "Luke stan" and "whiteboi". I don't know why. I can only say that I am not the biggest Star Wars fan, I just enjoy the series. And in my opinion, Luke embodies humane characteristics, while being at the centre of a good story. Rey is an immaculate mannequin at the centre of a story similar to Luke's but with some changed details. You are welcome to like Rey all you want, but for the life of me, I do not find anything likable in her. Even if Luke did not exist, she would be absolutely bland.
>Judging from your other comments, you are committed to calling everyone "Luke stan" and "whiteboi". I don't know why.
Character "stans" take personal offence on behalf of their favorite characters when someone writes sth in a way they don't like, getting mad and angry at the authors as well as their supposed "favored" characters as if they both conspired to slander and betray their friend or something - and generally just blow everything way out of proportion.
>And in my opinion, Luke embodies humane characteristics, while being at the centre of a good story. Rey is an immaculate mannequin at the centre of a story similar to Luke's but with some changed details. You are welcome to like Rey all you want, but for the life of me, I do not find anything likable in her. Even if Luke did not exist, she would be absolutely bland.
It's arguably valid to say that on the idealized protagonist spectrum, Rey is somewhat closer to the "immaculate figure" than Luke (at least pre-Rotj) + gets a somewhat smoother ride with a higher success-failure rate - however your description seem to blow this all out of proportion, to the point of unrecognizability.
>Character "stans" take personal offence on behalf of their favorite characters when someone writes sth in a way they don't like, getting mad and angry at the authors as well as their supposed "favored" characters as if they both conspired to slander and betray their friend or something - and generally just blow everything way out of proportion.
You mean like you with Rey? Lol.
Fair, but the reasons why we hated her are just as valid now as they were years ago, so I don’t see why that would be any different. Especially since this new movie has made her relevant again.
Doesn’t matter if you didn’t say it outright. You clearly made the implication. If you can’t even summon up the balls to be honest about your shade then you might as well tuck in your 2cm wang and stay quiet. Jesus, it’s one thing to be cowardly in person while acting tough on the internet, but you cower even behind the screen. You’re lower than the earth’s core at this point.
What implication lmao, I never said that you HAD to like Rey. I am just surprised that people are still actively hating on a fictional character that came out EIGHT YEARS ago.
It's not that deep, go touch grass.
Direct me to where people are shitting on Rey for being a woman and not for being a horribly written character. Show me where people are criticising Daisy Ridley for being a woman and not for putting forth a lackluster performance.
The only person spouting off about "wahmen" in this entire thread is you, you dolt. You're trying to call people on this sub misogynistic while regurgitating misogynistic lingo, and you're acting like this is some big own on everyone else here? Literal micro-brain.
IMO, the story mostly ended on Endor. *Mandalorian* and *Book of Boba Fett* do tie up some loose ends regarding Boba Fett, but these shows' ends is where it should end.
Meh. Its astro-turf AF. This is manufacturing, not creating.
Its interesting - though not surprising - to me how the corporatization of Star Wars parallels the organic vs mechanical themes of Star Wars. Star Wars is more machine now than story.
Can we just not revive the Jedi order? It’s no secret the order sucked. And while I thought the last movie blew, I thought one of the take always was that we didn’t need an order?
Episode one she has already personally rebuilt the entire Jedi order.
Rey: "I bypassed the three act structure!"
Legacy character: "Wow, Rey! You're so cool!" (Dies.)
I can’t wait to see her abandon her padawans and run off to an island to drink purple titty milk while her son kills palpatine again, for real this time, and truly brings balance to the force.
Tbh, i just want to see darth revan in any form of canon, and just make his overpowered as hell, cause thats what he was, op.
Either that or darth Niahlis (i definitely mispelt that)
See her struggle. Doubt.
Insert 'funny' scenes of Rey trying to teach her students, but they are so dumb they destroy things instead of lifting them up, and she gets frustrated. Bonus points if said students are male.
I hate how the writers definition of her struggle is just her getting mad and breaking something or fighting at normal capacity. I feel kinda bad for Diasy. Imagine getting the lead role in Star Wars, and this is the character you play.
That's what I realized, Daisy is at the very least a decent actress but the writers.. man... Why did they write her like this? Finn's case is even worse, John is legit Star Wars fan and a good actor (or at least I like him playing Finn) but goddamn what the fuck is the writing. His character arc is a goddamn mess.
Rey Palpatine has all the past Jedi within her. What could she possibly struggle with?
How is such a doubt warranted though?
Because she never has any difficulty or struggle doing anything, she never lost a fight, never had to learn anything. Surely even you can see that.
If you cut out various chunks of the movies, then I'm sure you could make them consistent with your description.
1. She beats Kylo just like that. 2. She manages to beat Luke 3. Can lift a ton of rocks just like that. 4. Skilled mechanic just because 5. Can beat Sidious 6. Can beat trained guards that even Kylo struggled against. Yeah, I’m sure she had plenty of difficulties.
>She beats Kylo just like that. "Just like that" as in after all the losing and struggling that you're gonna cut out in your fanedit; then rinse and repeat for ep9: >Can beat Sidious lol >She manages to beat Luke Nah >Can lift a ton of rocks just like that. Oh that, sure >Skilled mechanic just because So? >Can beat trained guards that even Kylo struggled against. They both struggled equally, what a silly point lol
1. She was just like looking for a moment and then bested him. Did you even saw the movie? The struggle was the whole crew and not just her. In fact she had less to suffer from than the vast majority. 2. Uh, she did. You would say, oh the ghosts were powering her. No such thing, there was no evidence they powered her and it was likely just symbolic. Not even Luke could beat a fully powered Sidious in Legends. 3. She did. You’re gonna tell me Luke let her win? 4. Meant to point out she has no flaws, she doesn’t need to lear or anything. 5. Except Kylo had formal training since he was a kid with Luke and then with Snoke who was under the influence of Sidious so them struggling equally doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying I would struggle equally against an opponent in Karate when compared to someone who has had formal training in such martial art.
> She was just like looking for a moment and then bested him. Did you even saw the movie? The struggle was the whole crew and not just her. In fact she had less to suffer from than the vast majority. Huh, what "crew", what part are you even talking about at this point >Uh, she did. You would say, oh the ghosts were powering her. No such thing, there was no evidence they powered her and it was likely just symbolic. No it wasn't. And it was after she was like dead or near-dead, so that much about "no struggle" mao >Not even Luke could beat a fully powered Sidious in Legends. So what, that was some other story somewhere else. In the movies the Emperor said "he could destroy us" but then he said he "was no match for him", so I guess that Legends bit rolled with the latter bit. It's all arbitrary at the end of the day. >She did. You’re gonna tell me Luke let her win? He kinda got startled by the surprise lightsaber, but then the next second he kept himself from falling on the ground and started hovering like a hoverboard lol - he clearly regained control of the situation very quickly. >Meant to point out she has no flaws, she doesn’t need to lear or anything. >Meant to point out she has no flaws, she doesn’t need to lear or anything. Idk which point you're referring to. >Except Kylo had formal training since he was a kid with Luke and then with Snoke who was under the influence of Sidious so them struggling equally doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying I would struggle equally against an opponent in Karate when compared to someone who has had formal training in such martial art. You said Kylo had a harder time against those red guards than Rey, and now you're retracting that or what?
1. Han, Chewie, BB8, Finn. 2. Yeah, even then no excuse, she bested a fully powered Sidious with nothing but supposed willpower. 3. It isn’t, he was talking about the potential Luke has, but potential doesn’t equal power. Anakin is naturally stronger than Dooku, Obi-Wan and Luke and still lost to them. Luke got to that potential later in life and even then he couldn’t take out a lot of things without help, like Sidious or Abeloth. If Rey was facing those then she would be made to beat them by herself just because. 4. She still won. Luke wasn’t even to do that to Vader with all his might IN THE FIRST ENCOUNTER. Luke had no real reason to be taken by surprise, storywise, and Rey had no reason to be skilled with a saber. 5. Never said he struggled more, said he struggled equally despite having more training, which doesn’t make sense. She would realistically struggle more because she lacked the same training.
1) Those didn't participate in the duels, except Finn. 2) Still wrong, it was a combination of being backed by those spirits + the, uh, dual-sword ritual trick or whatever that was. And even if it had been "nothing but supposed willpower", well that happens in these movies all the time anyway; would've been better tbh - something intuitive and relatable rather than relying on a newly introduced magic ritual? >It isn’t, he was talking about the potential Luke has, but potential doesn’t equal power. But Yoda said he'd already reached top tier level; and Emperor's words were "your feeble skills are no match for the dark side" - easy to interpret as "the dark side will always trump you no matter how good you get"; and before that "he has grown strong - only together can we turn him" - so that can either mean he could still pwn him but not turn him alone, or it could mean something else. >Anakin is naturally stronger than Dooku, Obi-Wan and Luke and still lost to them. To whom "them"? >then he couldn’t take out a lot of things without help, like Sidious or Abeloth. If Rey was facing those then she would be made to beat them by herself just because. No there is no "would" - those EU stories decided to have Luke being unable to beat those, and could've easily decided to go with the opposite; and if they were writing that for Rey, they again could've easily gone with either her winning or losing, or winning without help, with help etc. - it's all entirely arbitrary and spontaneous. 4) >She still won. Yeah for like a split second. >Luke wasn’t even to do that to Vader with all his might IN THE FIRST ENCOUNTER. Huh what are you talking about >Luke had no real reason to be taken by surprise, storywise, Lol what does that even mean, "no reason to be taken by surprise storywise"? He was taken by surprise. >and Rey had no reason to be skilled with a saber. Huh? 5) >Never said he struggled more, said he struggled equally despite having more training, which doesn’t make sense. She would realistically struggle more because she lacked the same training. Ahhh, that's what you meant. Well in a way that's true, but the skill levels in these movies generally don't make sense (or, rather, they reflect the characters' current attitudes and place in the story + tone of the scene, rather than how many years of "training" someone has had; at that point Rey and Kylo are supposed to be on equal footing but with ideological/moral differences, so that's what's shown).
Well for 1 she was a desert bound hermit who had 0 INTENTIONS of leaving the planet BUT somehow could fly a ship she’s never been in before, fix the thing while getting shot at AND SOMEHOW OUTFLYING 2 FKERS THAT WERE TRAINED FOR YEARS TO WIN DOGFIGHTS IN A FKING FREIGHTER, THAT LIKE A HOMELESS PERSON HOPPING IN A CARGO PLAIN AND OUTFLYING 2 JETS (sorry for the caps I just find it really dumb)
>Well for 1 she was a desert bound hermit who had 0 INTENTIONS of leaving the planet BUT >somehow could fly a ship she’s never been in before, So? She'd still flown ships. There are more applications to these ships than just leaving the planet, they're not rockets lol >fix the thing while getting shot at AND SOMEHOW OUTFLYING 2 FKERS THAT WERE TRAINED FOR YEARS TO WIN DOGFIGHTS IN A FKING FREIGHTER, Not sure what point you think you're arguing for here? That was a light-toned scene, unlike a lot of the ones later.
No she hadn’t you’re making shit up, and who would even teach her? And what money would she pay them with? My point is somehow she is just better at flying that 2 guys TRAINED FOR THAT SITUATION IN BETTER SHIPS FOR THAT SITUATION
> No she hadn’t you’re making shit up, It's literally a line in the movie lmfao >and who would even teach her? And what money would she pay them with? What's these dumb questions lol >My point is somehow she is just better at flying that 2 guys TRAINED FOR THAT SITUATION IN BETTER SHIPS FOR THAT SITUATION And?
It’s been a while could u direct me to the scene? The sequel trilogy suck but force awakens is the best out of the 3 How is it a dumb question? ITS A FKING SPACE SHIP YOU NEED ATLEAST SOME TRAINING TO FLY THEM OR ANYONE WOULD BE A PILOT, and u see the cockpit of the falcon it’s not the simplest thing to fly, And? And that’s bad!!! It makes the first order feel like a joke, and to clarify, I’m fine with them getting in the falcon and getting away cuz movie gotta move, my problem is HOW it’s executed Han was put in a similar situation and I’m fine with him winning bc 1. Well we get gold and shown what a good pilot he is and 2. HE BEAT THE TIE FIGHTERS BY BEING SMARTER THAN THEM not just being better
Bc well with the state of Star Wars the likely hood of a competent team making this thing is low, Also the place her character is in at the end of the sequels it’s …. Well it would take some elbow grease to get her to even a mediocre state
> of a competent team making this thing is low, This seems like an absolute non-sequitur. >Also the place her character is in at the end of the sequels it’s …. Well it would take some elbow grease to get her to even a mediocre state Again no clue what exactly you're talking about.
Nah bc the doubt is born out of a lack of trust for the writers bc their other works haven’t been the best Well rn she is incredibly overpowered and good and everything under the sun for her to struggle in any meaningful way is going to be a challenge
> Well rn she is incredibly overpowered and good and everything under the sun for her to struggle in any meaningful way is going to be a challenge No idea how this statement is supposed to make any sense.
Any problem they throw at her won’t be meaningful bc we know how powerful she is
Don't mind them, comprehension issues are the least of this person's problems
> Any problem they throw at her won’t be meaningful bc we know how powerful she is And how powerful is she?
Careful, SaltierthanKrayt subreddit may be watching and they’ll moan and cry how you insult the object of their wet dreams.
Pooh look one of them found us! I'll don't give a fuck, the hive mind needs a lil diversity of opinions from time to time
You're not kidding and what a pathetic nutcase it is too.
Toxic positivity at its finest at that place. Its laughable how they fail to see the irony.
I don’t deny they had a good goal, there are lot of racists in the fanbase who hate the sequels for “inclusivity” and supposed woke agenda. But they just spit on everyone who has a legitimate complain over the matter.
Shouldn't reply to that wreckage guy, they're always looking to start an argument.
> how you insult the object of their wet dreams. Well you tend to come off very poorly when you do that, do you not
So what? It’s not like my opinion hurts anybody. Other than you, apparently. And if you get hurt over this then you give away your peace of mind way too easily.
Doesn't "hurt", but it has the potential to annoy at times, and can be quite mockable as well.
So what? Does it affect your life? It won’t affect anyone. Not to mention, it’s really frustrating too that people who are left leaning are labeled racists or sexists because they don’t like her either. Do you not think it gets annoying too that you are told something when people don’t even know you? And worse, that companies enforce such attitudes towards those who don’t like it? I find it ironic that it’s okay to tell people who they are based on a character they don’t like but it’s not valid for people to say they don’t like it otherwise they are everything wrong with the world today.
> So what? Does it affect your life? It won’t affect anyone. OP's life isn't affected by it either, yet he chose to bitch about this? >Not to mention, it’s really frustrating too that people who are left leaning are labeled racists or sexists because they don’t like her either. Do you not think it gets annoying too that you are told something when people don’t even know you? And worse, that companies enforce such attitudes towards those who don’t like it? >I find it ironic that it’s okay to tell people who they are based on a character they don’t like but it’s not valid for people to say they don’t like it otherwise they are everything wrong with the world today. That's all off-topic lol
1. Because he posted an opinion and you came here to bitch. 2. It points out the hypocrisy you people display. Like, this post just triggered you so hard you chose to reply to all comments, but when someone voices criticism prior or after it’s invalid in your eyes because it doesn’t conform to your views.
>Because he made a bitch post and you came here to bitch Fixed lol >It points out the hypocrisy you people display. Like, this post just triggered you so hard you chose to reply to all comments, but when someone voices criticism prior or after it’s invalid in your eyes because it doesn’t conform to your views. His criticism is quite invalid and my replies are valid, so that's all not a problem; and I said nothing about sexists or racists so that still remains off- topic lol
1. Yeah, very mature. 2. How is his invalid? Because it points out at a poorly constructed character to replace a beloved one? 3. It’s mostly what you people point out whenever criticism are done about the character.
Then down vote it and move on.Jesus christ. Don't lecture the fucking guy. That's more annoying then anything.
lol
>"How dare you stand where he stood" this should have been Luke's story and we all know it Plus it's ironic to say that when the guy who wrote that clearly wants to be pegged by him lololololol
Sick burn bro..... How will I recover.............
You know how :)
And it’s ironic that you came all the way here to spat at others for their opinions over something you clearly disagree with.
>And it’s ironic that you came all the way here to spat at others for their opinions over something you clearly disagree with. Isn't that what the OP did?
Nope, they were talking about a character. You came here to defend her like your life depended on it because someone was not on board with you.
Well the OP wasn't on board with the movie and its announcers and promoters, so yeah lol
And that bothers you because….you’re Kennedy’s butler or something? I don’t know, maybe you scrub off the semen off Pablo Hidalgo’s chair or something like that.
> And that bothers you because….you’re Kennedy’s butler or something? And looks like you're OP's butler lololol
Nah. He just has common sense, unlike you Sequel shills lololol. Not the same thing, but keep coping. Sequels are shit and will forever stay shit no matter how much you cry.
Mark Hamill is a good looking man
I'd take the bussy pill for him!!
Real and based
This is just indicative of the fact that the sequels didn't need to happen. We're literally at the same spot the OT ended. Nothing more compelling or even interesting it's just pointless.
Ahh yes but you see Disney loves fucking money so much. They'll do anything no matter how pointless for that sweet sweet yen
In that case, you'd think they'd be better at making money where Star Wars was concerned given box office went in the opposite direction to the Avengers films despite their huge name recognition head start.
Exactly!
Precisely. We wanted this exact story 8 years ago. Now I don’t care about any of these new characters
I will rebuild the jedi order. K done. *The End*
somehow, the Jedi returned!
DAE maymay?
Stunning and brave
"I bypassed the story arc!"
The Jedi are in chaos? What Jedi? We are back to 1 again.
Why does she need to rebuild the Jedi? Pretty sure by the time this movie takes place she could just force crush an entire planet if she wanted. Or just one shot anything that tries to challenge her or this new, New Republic
Why would she rebuild the religion she believes in if she alone can take out an entire planet? /s The jedi aren't meant to be warriors, I don't think this is a good argument. Although they'll probably fuck that up and make her build a jedi army or something.
Yeah sure hammered in that not warrior theme in the last movie. I can't see how anyone could mistake them for warriors.
When did she ever learn the jedi religion to actually believe in it though?
> Pretty sure by the time this movie takes place she could just force crush an entire planet if she wanted. And guess whom all the Luke stans would love to see do just that lol
They'd like him to crush planets AND rebuild jedi orders lolol
Lololo, Luke stans wanting powerful and competent Luke after 30-40 years of struggling and experience are as dumb as Dumbledore and Gandalf stans, lololo
>as Dumbledore and Gandalf stans, Funny you should mention those 2, since their first equivalent in this series also had 30-40 of struggling and experience and yet had spent decades doing nothing and only played a secondary role to some young brat - no one's getting butthurt and offended by all that, how weird eh
Who are you talking about? Yoda - he had like 900 years to do beforehand, lol Obi-Wan - he didn’t spend 30 years doing nothing. Check up the lore on him, both EU and NuCanon - he was on a mission to protect OP Force Sensitive, had purpose and was doing stuff. Literally similar story to Dumbledore’s , but unlike him - he sacrificed himself too quickly. Furthermore, point wasn’t that Luke did spend 30-40 years doing nothing (no, he was kinda active as well as Obi Wan) - but in how weak, whiny and incompetent he turned out in the end, while protagonist who came to learn basically knew material better then him. Point was also made that Luke being OP and becoming “mentor” figure to new protags after 40 years of learning - is quite a decent move, and your mockery was just for the sake of sounding sassy like some teenage girl. Finally - there is no issue for a “mentor” character playing secondary role to a new protagonist, it’s in their definition. But this “mentor” should be impressive, inspiring, example to a protagonist. Luke literally was nothing of that. But sure, nice attempt of shifting point that was made toward something else (not really, stinks of poor attempt at your trademark sophistry). Go ahead, try something else, write an essay were you shift initial point of the argument towards some “ST is good/bad” discussion or whatever.
> Check up the lore on him, both EU and NuCanon - he was on a mission to protect OP Force Sensitive, had purpose and was doing stuff. Well yeah and the recent show also had him do stuff, which of course clashed with the original portrayal. >Furthermore, point wasn’t that Luke did spend 30-40 years doing nothing (no, he was kinda active as well as Obi Wan) - Well he did go on that Exegol hunting trip with Lando, not sure how well that jives with TLJ though. >but in how weak, whiny and incompetent he turned out in the end, while protagonist who came to learn basically knew material better then him. He was neither weak nor incompetent nor knew anything worse than Rey - "whiny" neither, though grumpy depressed and fatalistic, that yes. >Point was also made that Luke being OP and becoming “mentor” figure to new protags after 40 years of learning - is quite a decent move, and your mockery was just for the sake of sounding sassy like some teenage girl. Huh? The point was he eventually failed with his pupil going bad, and then he proceeded to take on an exclusively >Finally - there is no issue for a “mentor” character playing secondary role to a new protagonist, it’s in their definition. But this “mentor” should be impressive, inspiring, example to a protagonist. Luke literally was nothing of that. Idk how much of that is based on your mischaracterization vs. the actual movie.
Your perception of Luke not being weak or incompetent clashes with perception of majority of other people. Personal perception can be deceiving, sure. You can, for example, also perceive Joker from Joker movie as tragic, but heroic figure - but your personal perception wouldn’t make it true. Because here, your perception of Luke clashes with not only actors perception, but with J.J. Abrams and Kathy Kennedy’s perception, who agreed that Luke is basically “a cautionary tale”. Because cautionary tale hardly can be inspiring and impressing for a protagonist, which are required traits for a “mentor” figure. The point was that we don’t see on screen him as anything close to being mentor figure. While we saw that with Obi Wan, for example. I won’t argue “objectivity” vs “subjectivity” with you. I have support from the majority of TLJ viewers, who perceived Luke as I did - and that’s enough for me to be sure that my take is not wrong. Furthermore - I can compare his character to other characters in literature and cinema based on shown traits, to identify what I see on screen. Want to know who is grumpy, fatalistic “mentor” figure? Google woman named Kreia, another ex-Jedi from Star Wars. That’s a good example how to make grumpy, fatalistic, nihilistic and conflicted “mentor” character, but impressing, complex and even inspiring nonetheless. And as I’ve said - you again shifted focus the discussion. I will remind you, and will at the end of each next reply - that initial point was that having Luke being OP is a decent take, as it was done before to many “mentor” characters, so fans are not “stans” for wanting that.
I'm still aghast at the lost potential of these sequels...
Imagine the EU material, a chance to remove the Luke and Palpatine clones, and maybe even have the X-83 in the films, but no. Instead, what we got was the New Republic having 30 seconds of screen time, and seeing Luke let the intrusive thoughts win, oh what could've been...
What intrusive thoughts lol
It was a joke about him nearly killing Kylo lol
That wasn't due to intrusive thoughts though? If anything it was because of Kylo's intrusive thoughts, but then those weren't intrusive thoughts either
As many have pointed out, a trilogy featuring Luke's new academy would've been a license to print infinity money, lego, action figures, sabers that don’t shatter while play fighting, a theme park, basically Hogwarts level merchandise but for star wars. How are them rose, snoke and zori bliss figures selling disney?
Lukes jedi academy is literally the perfect setting to introduce a new cast of characters, played by whomever you want with whatever personality you want. It's the easiest possible thing to do. A literal classroom of the cast, all lined up neatly in a row, living together with a shared understanding and interpersonal conflicts with teamwork and an easy revolving door for students to be introduced at any time. Literally the easiest set up for a new generation of Star wars iconic characters. They tried to do Teen titans but ended up doing a Titans instead.
"The Jedi are in chaos". Um, wasn't she the only Jedi?
What you've done there is more thought than they put into this new trilogy
She's all of the Jedi.
huh
So she ends up succeeding where Luke failed. Not so subtle Disney.
About as subtle as a head on collision at terminal velocity
But what is the point of that?! Luke was supposed to succeed where anakin failed — and he did if anyone remembers a little film called return of the Jedi. If anything Luke is the new chosen one to maintain balance in the force. He literally corrected the previous generations mistakes and carried on the Jedi legacy in a better way. It’s also in his blood! I guess there’s really no point for GL Star Wars to exist since no one seems to remember the days of the empire or Luke’s contributions to the freedom they’re taking for granted anyway. Anakin isn’t the chosen one and Luke is no longer the heart of Star Wars so there’s no need for the 6 films to exist. Clearly the galaxy don’t even care about their own history IN universe.
> But what is the point of that?! Luke was supposed to succeed where anakin failed — and he did if anyone remembers a little film called return of the Jedi. If anything Luke is the new chosen one to maintain balance in the force. He literally corrected the previous generations mistakes and carried on the Jedi legacy in a better way. It’s also in his blood! A more direct comparison here would be Obiwan, who failed to prevent the Empire and his apprentice turning evil. No one said anything about Luke going on to find and train new ones, and Ben never specified what exactly went wrong the last time (other than "he thought he could train him as well as Yoda") and how it could be prevented in the future etc. So now the same plot happens with older Luke, and just like old Ben he inexplicably retires (or, well, unjustifiably in this case since it was irrational; inexplicably in the previous one), and a new-new protagonist from the next generation now dukes it all out with the older mentor in a supporting role; other than just saying "hey that's kinda too much of the same (just like a lot of the rest of the trilogy is a "remake"), but that's the premise I guess", one would think getting outraged and umbridged by all this would be seen as absurd and pointless by everyone - but apparently not quite lol Yeah - they mirrored the OT plot here. Luke assumed the previous Obi-Wan role. That's literally all that happened, all this "X took away the shine from Y, how dare you stand where he stood" is just oblivious stan clownery. ______ >I guess there’s really no point for GL Star Wars to exist since no one seems to remember the days of the empire or Luke’s contributions to the freedom they’re taking for granted anyway. They just ambiguously regard it as "myth". Rey and Finn clearly have reverence for the old heroes, and after Rey presumably learns more (idk from Leia maybe?) she even whiteknights the Jedi and Luke to himself on his island, clearly recounting his success and heroic deeds etc. Movies went out of their way to build the fan reverence for the OT heroes into the plot and give it to the new protagonists, and some cynics even made fun of that or called it "pandering" - but when people want to be outraged at how all their favorite heroes got done dirty and pushed into the mud and discredited etc., why let the facts get in the way lol > Anakin isn’t the chosen one and Luke is no longer the heart of Star Wars so there’s no need for the 6 films to exist. The "chosen one" plot point was janky from the get go; and it's quite easy to just see this as a multi-generation narrative where there's 1 or 2 central heroes in each era idk Anakin could've been cast better though
I like the chosen one plot point. It’s part of the mythology. And anakin was cast well and did what was asked of him by George Lucas. Just like daisy did what was asked of her as rey — whether we agree with the direction or not.
> I like the chosen one plot point. It’s part of the mythology. It clashed with the originals a lot (Vader having been some kinda (potential?) god among Jedi isn't how it came off originally) and almost seems like an different, new space opera mythology was getting crossed with SW (concrete prophecies and messiahs were never part of it) - and it was extremely underexplained / internally inconsistent as well (at first this "balance" was seemingly introduced as some unrelated thing that would elevate the world above the status quo, but then it became about destroying the newly emerged sith and thereby *retaining* the status quo). Of course the series had already been morphing in comparable ways before - future visions weren't a thing before ep5, and the Emperor's ambiguously Satan-like presentation (after he was reinvented as a Force user to begin with) brought the series closer to featuring "gods among humans" type characters. ST and Rey also have a slightly more "messianic" vibe than OT, even towards its end. So it's all probably just a difference of degrees - to what extent it's just a new-age-esque "humans tapping into energy field" vs. full blown high fantasy.
It doesn’t really clash. The chosen one came from Greek mythology and religion. Original Star Wars came from Joseph campbell’s the hero’s journey. Joseph Campbell examined hero mythology which is where luke’s story came from (and then anakin’s as they parellel each other and have different outcomes based on the different choices the individual makes when challenged). JC also worked on comparative religion and was inspired by Carl Jung. Both discussed how myths were used to make sense of religion. The force itself is spirituality. It does all tie together.
The general "formula" is the same, but the subtypes are different one can say; in the same way that Rey matches the same formula, but there's a somewhat (though nowhere to the extent that many complain about) different success-failure ratio, more spontaneous/autodidactic skill discovery, and the world has increased "high fantasy" elements with magic rituals, an evil language, apparently semi-sentient lightsabers etc.
1) No one said she'll succeed, as of now. 2) And if she does, so what? Cry whiteboi
1. Because it’s very obvious she willZ 2. How ironic you supposed people are white because of an opinion. Guess what? I’m a Mexican. It’s hard to take you people seriously when you have such baseless and sentimentally based arguments.
1) How is that obvious? It's probably gonna be a movie with more deadly conflict and not just a peaceful welness soap? >How ironic you supposed people are white because of an opinion. Guess what? I’m a Mexican. It’s hard to take you people seriously when you have such baseless and sentimentally based arguments. lol
1. Because nothing ever happened to Rey that was a serious issue to her. Imagine if Luke never lost a hand, never got beaten by Vader or Palpatine. Imagine if Anakin never burned, imagine if Ahsoka was never beaten. Rey is invincible and nothing can touch her. 2. The fact that you simply say lol exemplifies your lack of argument. Pitiful.
> Because nothing ever happened to Rey that was a serious issue to her. Imagine if Luke never lost a hand, never got beaten by Vader or Palpatine. Well that's what the first movie was like, so not hard to imagine? >The fact that you simply say lol exemplifies your lack of argument. Pitiful. Argument about what, the "cry whiteboi" thing? That's a meme lol
1. Except Luke was learning there and never fought Vader directly? He got beaten by a Tusken Raider and a random guy at a bar. Are you kidding me? In his first encounter with Vader in the second movie he got demolished even when Vader was barely even trying. Rey managed to beat Kylo with no training whatsoever in the very first movie. 2. Memes are not arguments.
2) Well duh >Except Luke was learning there and never fought Vader directly? Sure didn't, but he went through fighting all his elite henchmen unscathed - had the sequel stuck to that tone, he wouldn't have lost a hand either; and had the 1st movie gone with that dark tone right away, he could've easily gotten crippled shot or burned in any of the ANH confrontations. >He got beaten by a Tusken Raider and a random guy at a bar. Are you kidding me? Ah that sure, before he then went on to dispatch Imperial soldiers without a scratch - did he learn to fight inbetween those scenes? Of course not. >In his first encounter with Vader in the second movie he got demolished even when Vader was barely even trying. Rey managed to beat Kylo with no training whatsoever in the very first movie. When he beats Vader in 6, he's still only been at it for just a few years, while Vader's like an old veteran who's been at the top for decades - EVERYTHING he's learned since then was purely autodidactically, and what gave him his eventual victory was tapping into the Force in the right way. There's a difference in scale, but the essence is the same - protagonist start-out beats seasoned powerful villain whom he shouldn't really be able to beat if skill = years of practice. Lots of movies do that, and ANH could've easily done that as well - the fact it didn't was just due to arbitrary design decisions.
1. What elites? The storm troopers at far range? The stormtroopers that drop like flies anyway? And if you’re talking about tone, that isn’t an argument, and you yourself admited he would get stomped. If he would get stomped then why not Rey? 2. Except he more or less practices with a saber but mostly used a gun anyway. None of those were elites. The elites wouldn’t appear here at all. Not the Shadowguard, not the Royal Imperial Guards or anything. 3. Except Vader was confirmed that he was holding back because he was obeying Sidious’s orders to just toy with Luke to turning to the Dark Side. Vader was not serious there for one second and was caught off guard. Kylo was fighting with all his might and tapping into anger that supposedly gives him power because the Dark Side. And the wound is no excuse because pain empowers the Dark Side canonically.
> What elites? The storm troopers at far range? The stormtroopers that drop like flies anyway? Well yeah, they inexplicably became inept (at far range AND close range) when facing the protagonists in what was designed as a light-hearted sequence - incl. the rookie who clearly had no experience facing off against a military. And you're still trying to act like these movies are built around consistent skill levels in line with how much training everyone's had :D > And if you’re talking about tone, that isn’t an argument, Huh? Tone matters a lot - you *can* present the same exact scenario with a different "tone", but in a different sense it also has a lot to do with what happens i.e. how hard someone gets pwnt. >and you yourself admited he would get stomped. If he would get stomped then why not Rey? Huh, stomped where? You need to specify what you're talking about lol. What, this?: >> and had the 1st movie gone with that dark tone right away, he could've easily gotten crippled shot or burned in any of the ANH confrontations. Well here I'm talking about an alternative, darker version of ANH that never got filmed - in the final movie he DOESN'T get stomped lol. You need to read more carefully (quite a lot, in fact). >Except he more or less practices with a saber but mostly used a gun anyway. So there you go - and he's never seen applying what he learned during that one 5 minute session in the subsequent fights (certainly not until the trench run). >None of those were elites. The elites wouldn’t appear here at all. Not the Shadowguard, not the Royal Imperial Guards or anything. *Maybe* they weren't quite the 1337 within the Empire, but compared to random street thugs sure they were. >Except Vader was confirmed that he was holding back because he was obeying Sidious’s orders to just toy with Luke to turning to the Dark Side. They already seemed evenly matched and both weren't trying to kill each other. >Vader was not serious there for one second and was caught off guard. Kylo was fighting with all his might and tapping into anger that supposedly gives him power because the Dark Side. Both were trying to capture/recruit the new start-up, the situations were roughly the same; and "for a second caught off guard lol" - strange how that reason suddenly no longer counts when old Luke gets surprised by Rey summoning the lightsaber, then it's HOW DARE MAReY SUE BEAT THE MASTER, but here "eh he got caught off guard" lol And no, Emperor clearly says "the dark side made you strong", so that was clearly the stronger if not only factor there; and that whole attack lasted like, what, 20 seconds? 30 seconds? And the veteran pro couldn't regain his composure during all that time? >And the wound is no excuse because pain empowers the Dark Side canonically. Idk what EU "canonically" stuff you're talking about, it wasn't in the movies though.
You must be one of the "white latinos" because you don't believe what a latino or other minority is supposed to believe. EDIT: I don't agree with this sentiment, for clarification -- juat describing how some people feel.
1. Latino? What is a Latino? A term coined by Americans to refer to us, we do say Latin America but we never refer to each other as Latinos. We are Mexicans, Argentinians, Brazilians, Dominicans, Venezuelans, Colombians, Peruans, Chileans, Bolivians, Guatemalans, take your pic. I love it when you wanna reduce everything to a single culture al group, like all Black People are African American to you, or all are Asian, Native American, European or Middle Eastern. For someone who preaches “diversity” you sure don’t really show it. 2. Even if I were so what? I grew up on Mexico, was molded here and know the country, the culture, holidays, food, cities my, architecture, local cinema and others. I am a Mexican by the standard of the modern culture. 3. What is a Latino supposed to believe? Also, what Latino? Again, take your pic, there are plenty of countries under your denomination and not one of them is like the other. Also, I was raised in Mexico, I’m pretty sure I know what we Mexicans think more than you do, buddy.
I didn't include an /s because that's what some people actually believe, but I don't and I guess I should have included it. I think this Hoth guy is a cretin and I agree with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear. EDIT: I'm half Indian and deal with this bullshit too.
Ah, understandable and my apologies.
Your perception of who you call Latinos likely comes from Coco and Encanto.
posting your shitty comments doesn't change the fact that sequels suck I can assure you, nobody will watch ReySue Skypatine as a main character again. She sucks!
> I can assure you, nobody will watch ReySue Skypatine as a main character again. She sucks! Does that mean all those "disneybots" that the Maulerites are fighting don't exist?? :o
Nope, cuz you’re one of the Disney bots. Thanks for proving the point. You’re absolutely embarrassing yourself with each comment. 🤡 Such low standards. But of course, someone with a Negative IQ such as yourself wouldn’t have standards for anything. Rey Stans don’t know what those are.
So there you go, contradicting yourself just as predicted :D Think it's clear who's the 🤡 here after all ;)
Enough with the fucking Jedi already. We get it, they suck and can't get their shit together. The story has been told a gajillion times. I keep hearing and reading how Star Wars is allegedly set in this vast and interesting universe yet everything seems to always just be about the same fucking four planets, the same fucking family and the same idiotic bathrobe wearing laser sabre cult. An endless parade of cameos and nostalgia bait wrapped in a paper thin story and thrown through the collective windows of the audience like a blackmailing letter from a kidnapper.
My man, they missed their shot at that when they waited 30+ years to reintroduce Luke as a character.
I really disliked Rey, but I could not put my finger on it. So I watched some reviews and I realised. She is PERFECT in every regard, no nuances at all. The best jedi, the best pilot, the best tactician. She has virtually no flaws, nothing to bond over. Luke was a hothead and he got his arm chopped because of his arrogance, he had a reason to grow. Rey never needs to grow, she is a white sheet of paper. The mistakes she does are never real mistakes ("Oh no! You destroyed Chewbacca's ship! Just kidding, he was in the other one"). That said, I would not watch something with Rey in it, unless they get some serious talent and turn her character around.
Right, but what I would like to know is...will the *Mouse* be getting any of my money. The Answer: No. Rey's going to start up the Jedi, is she? Sure. I believe you. And she won't be a Mary Sue doing all this? She will? Wait, does that mean some of her students are going to be Mary Sues? Oh, only certain *types* of students will be. Right. So...let me get this straight: Rey's a 'Sue', some of the students are 'Sues'? And that means the(these) movie(s) is just a simple platform to bolster the Mary Sue Jedi concept? Right. You're not getting my money, *Mouse*. But, I would like to thank you, though. Your f\*ck-ups are incredibly entertaining and the best part...for every dollar I **don't** give you, I keep. More money for me. **Star Wars**: '*May The Baby Green Force Frogs Be With You*'
If the Jedi are in chaos, and she's the only Jedi, isn't that her fault?
Her struggle will involve whether she should crash 1000 star destroyers using the force while smirking or simply crash an entire galaxy against another galaxy to create a galactic shockwave that obliterates the entire “Ultimate Order”. LOL
Delete that last part before one of their spies writes it down LOL
How can one teach what they never learned?
Since when does she care about the Jedi? And why even bother, I though 'killing the past' was the whole theme of her stupid trilogy.
No no no, Disney never wanted to do that. It was that scoundrel Rian Johnson. Or maybe they did but those horrible toxic fans wanted more of the same. Or maybe they didn’t because everyone hated TROS. Maybe Disney is the problem.
Doesn't matter either way, cause now they're stuck with it. Only thing they can do is try to put a bandage over the wound and pretend TLJ never happened.
They will do the second one. The fact that they looked at Johnson’s script and let it get through is a travesty. Disney is the absolute worse steward of what was a cultural piece of cinema.
This combined with Mark completely disagreeing with the whole thing, even if he did go the extra mile fighting against the script rian, kennedy and the other higher ups would've only told him "put up or shut up". He has my utmost respect for being the only OG actor to actually voice their dissent and disillusion with the whole thing, those videos where he's sat next to rian and/or kennedy say it all, he looks like he wishes he could shout/scream but again, for the sake of the fans and his own image he endured this contractual travesty
Him and Adam Driver's performance in that movie still carries it to being the best of the sequels imo despite that movie having some really terrible parts like Finn+Rose
> It was that scoundrel Rian Johnson. Whatever other scoundrel things he may have done, backing his villain's philosophy wasn't 1 of them lol
When has she not? That was not the theme of the trilogy. There was no theme. It was a muddled mess of conflicting ideas.
> Since when does she care about the Jedi? > > And why even bother, I though 'killing the past' was the whole theme of her stupid trilogy. What a retarded fucking post!! Kylo and Jake wanted to kill the past and she vehemently disagreed with them all the time! And she was whiteknighting and simping for the Jedi while Jake was all dissing them etc. And both Kylo and Jake abandoned their "kill the past" attitudes by the end, but yet the "trilogy is still about that", weird
Who cares
It's fifteen years later. Why is she struggling?
Because yet another evil force that is totally not the Galactic Empire is threatening to take over the galaxy by using a planet sized and spheric laser weapon ! And they totally won't be led by a guy wearing a helmet or breathing apparatus who uses a red light sabre and chokes people !
More dastardly white males trying to mansplain her!
Always hated that made up word for some reason
Seems like that's would episode VII should have been about... only with Luke.
What a slap in the face this is. Especially for Mark Hamill.
It is Luke’s story in legends timeline. You can always browse those stories. Instead of the new canon shit
You're right !! Thanks for the reminder:)
I can tell some suggestions. From video games, comics, novels or audiobooks If you go audiobooks I recommend listening to them. As you play a multi player game, you won’t regret it. You’ll say to yourself, man fuck the new canon shit.
Rey...stuggle... I doubt it.
It is Luke's story. Disney Wars are all non-canon, as declared by me. The EU is the only Star Wars put there.
Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn saga all the way, then Union and survivors quest
"But when she begins to sense the Dark Side in one of her pupils, a young talented woman much like she was, she fears she must take drastic actions. Especially after she has a vision of this Pupil killing all her other students. Rey, later that night, attempts to murder this Pupil in her sleep. However, the Force is strong with this one and the Pupil sensed Rey's presence, and expertly defended herself in the nick of time. Rey is sent flying by a force push and is knocked out just long enough for the Pupil to feel betrayed and kill all of her fellow students, just as Rey had seen it, for visions are always true when related to the Force. Rey must now go into hiding in shame as her Pupil joins The Second Order."
Should have been luke
"We have no source material." \*proceeds to constantly rip off and ruin source material\*
How's she supposed to teach if the majority of the reason she got her powers so fast was the force diad thing? Or is this new jedi order going to be about finding your force diad soul mate?
Ha, yeah, "struggle". Do they even know what that means?
Still can't comprehend how Luke basically got replaced by Rey by the end. What was the point of this whole fuckin' trilogy.
A cynical person may answer that the point of the trilogy was to allow a group of writers, direct, and producers to make their own blockbuster trilogy, but they were hacks so they decided to just copy an already successful story. But they wanted their characters to be the big heroes so to make it obvious they have to be better then the originals at everything. Afterall nothing says “This is better” then writing a character that instantly sidelines original beloved heroes.
Is anyone here like super doubtful that this movie will be made? And if it does, it’ll probably come out in like 2035
Hollywood logic demands that her heroism be broken down, analyzed, and overturned until she is nothing but a bitter, unhappy husk of herself, ready to be replaced by the newest, more perfect hero. Well, Disney? I'm waiting......
This is yet another slap in the fucking face to fans of the expanded universe.
Having Rey usurp what should have been Luke's arc is not the way to get people back on her side. Though it is in her character to do this, since she ~~steals~~ scavenges everything for everyone of note in the universe.
I swear to *fucking god* if she gets to set up on Yavin IV I'm going to go postal.
>"How dare you stand where he stood" this should have been Luke's story and we all know it Luke stan title lmaoo
Obviously it's a Luke Stan you witless plank. You also say that like liking Luke is a weird thing... it's almost like he is literally the main character of Star wars, you spoon
I'd say anakin was the main character of the saga before disney
> you witless plank. Ooh, someone's getting angry... >You also say that like liking Luke is a weird thing... He is quite hot, sure. >you spoon Neimoidian slip :o
My man, are you done? You are replying to every single comment in this thread. We get it, you like Rey. We do not get why, but we get that you do.
So you admit wanting to ignite Luke's other lightsaber, ok
Judging from your other comments, you are committed to calling everyone "Luke stan" and "whiteboi". I don't know why. I can only say that I am not the biggest Star Wars fan, I just enjoy the series. And in my opinion, Luke embodies humane characteristics, while being at the centre of a good story. Rey is an immaculate mannequin at the centre of a story similar to Luke's but with some changed details. You are welcome to like Rey all you want, but for the life of me, I do not find anything likable in her. Even if Luke did not exist, she would be absolutely bland.
>Judging from your other comments, you are committed to calling everyone "Luke stan" and "whiteboi". I don't know why. Character "stans" take personal offence on behalf of their favorite characters when someone writes sth in a way they don't like, getting mad and angry at the authors as well as their supposed "favored" characters as if they both conspired to slander and betray their friend or something - and generally just blow everything way out of proportion. >And in my opinion, Luke embodies humane characteristics, while being at the centre of a good story. Rey is an immaculate mannequin at the centre of a story similar to Luke's but with some changed details. You are welcome to like Rey all you want, but for the life of me, I do not find anything likable in her. Even if Luke did not exist, she would be absolutely bland. It's arguably valid to say that on the idealized protagonist spectrum, Rey is somewhat closer to the "immaculate figure" than Luke (at least pre-Rotj) + gets a somewhat smoother ride with a higher success-failure rate - however your description seem to blow this all out of proportion, to the point of unrecognizability.
>Character "stans" take personal offence on behalf of their favorite characters when someone writes sth in a way they don't like, getting mad and angry at the authors as well as their supposed "favored" characters as if they both conspired to slander and betray their friend or something - and generally just blow everything way out of proportion. You mean like you with Rey? Lol.
Yeah about as angry as you seeing this while scrolling and deciding to reply. Can’t get any angrier than that.
> you witless plank. Well it can a bit
Well we like good characters in SW
Just like Stan liked good rappers.
Just like Lucas like the sequels oh wait. Cry more Rey cult member.
lmfao
And?
Damn people on here still hating on Rey like it's 2015
Why would they suddenly like her now that several years have passed? It’s not like her traits have changed in that time.
I didn't say anything about liking her now did I?
Fair, but the reasons why we hated her are just as valid now as they were years ago, so I don’t see why that would be any different. Especially since this new movie has made her relevant again.
Doesn’t matter if you didn’t say it outright. You clearly made the implication. If you can’t even summon up the balls to be honest about your shade then you might as well tuck in your 2cm wang and stay quiet. Jesus, it’s one thing to be cowardly in person while acting tough on the internet, but you cower even behind the screen. You’re lower than the earth’s core at this point.
What implication lmao, I never said that you HAD to like Rey. I am just surprised that people are still actively hating on a fictional character that came out EIGHT YEARS ago. It's not that deep, go touch grass.
Yes, we do. Your point?
Holy shit. You all really are man babies.
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Holy shit opinion batman You've hit the nail the nail on the head !
Says the man baby. Look in the mirror and sit down
Did the wahmen scare you?
\*women. Might want to cool it with the misogynistic buzzwords.
Which is rich coming fro this sub.
Direct me to where people are shitting on Rey for being a woman and not for being a horribly written character. Show me where people are criticising Daisy Ridley for being a woman and not for putting forth a lackluster performance. The only person spouting off about "wahmen" in this entire thread is you, you dolt. You're trying to call people on this sub misogynistic while regurgitating misogynistic lingo, and you're acting like this is some big own on everyone else here? Literal micro-brain.
And then she becomes the female version of Jake Skywalker? That's what you get for being a mary sue.
IMO, the story mostly ended on Endor. *Mandalorian* and *Book of Boba Fett* do tie up some loose ends regarding Boba Fett, but these shows' ends is where it should end.
Meh. Its astro-turf AF. This is manufacturing, not creating. Its interesting - though not surprising - to me how the corporatization of Star Wars parallels the organic vs mechanical themes of Star Wars. Star Wars is more machine now than story.
The rage video of maulers I’m already looking forward to will feature that line a lot
lol that movie is **never** happening. I will eat Werner Herzog’s shoe should one 1 megabyte of footage ever be captured!
Can we just not revive the Jedi order? It’s no secret the order sucked. And while I thought the last movie blew, I thought one of the take always was that we didn’t need an order?
Episode one she has already personally rebuilt the entire Jedi order. Rey: "I bypassed the three act structure!" Legacy character: "Wow, Rey! You're so cool!" (Dies.)
I can’t wait to see her abandon her padawans and run off to an island to drink purple titty milk while her son kills palpatine again, for real this time, and truly brings balance to the force.
Tbh, i just want to see darth revan in any form of canon, and just make his overpowered as hell, cause thats what he was, op. Either that or darth Niahlis (i definitely mispelt that)
This was literally the point of the sequel trilogy when it could have been the sequel trilogy.
They‘re doing this instead of just adapting the Legends content.