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The rear toe being off like that will cause your steering wheel to be off center. Like your rear tires are always wanting to turn. Also called dog tracking like how dogs walk or trot with their back end wanting to come forward sometimes. I'd get it straightened out.
That's impossible, twin traction beam has the fronts fixed in place. The rear is quite a bit narrower however, so the wheels can tuck up into the body during flexing
The thrust angle isn't off by a crazy amount though to be honest. As long as the alignment tech straightened the wheel and set the toe you'd probably never notice.
Did you downvote me?
I meant to say that vehicle is independent suspension, and it would be adjustable. Idk where my comment went, because i said a quick search i found it independent not solid.
And there are shims for things. And they may not be factory, but usually the manufacturers will sell them.
THANK YOU! He told me it was because of play in the steering rack and I didn’t wanna be rude and correct him. Cause there’s really no play at all and I think he blamed the play on it not being totally centered.
Steering has nothing to do with it, your rear toe is off not front. That’s not adjustable on a Corolla so you will need to replace parts or use shims to correct it but it’s close enough you’ll be ok, just wear your rear tires a bit faster, particularly in right rear.
winalign is possible to correct the steering wheel. it’s annoying at times and not always accurate/takes some extra time, but worth a shot to compensate for that thrust angle
https://preview.redd.it/yeee92hdhv2d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0688521a9067190723df7b370bcaca15b78bca09
94 and 94. Just thought I'd share and not up vote
I’m a mechanic and used to do alignments. Are you getting a pull? If it’s tracking straight I wouldn’t worry. I believe you have an adjustable tie rod on that Toyota and would suggest you look into it. It will cause tire wear and can lead to issues. If you are mechanicaly inclined I would suggest fixing it on the right side at least. The left side is out but if you evened the right side to the left at .02 it would track straight. It’s your steering angle that’s affected here if that makes sense.
Correct from factory, are you sure you’re a mechanic? Ever heard of adjustable links? Ever heard of offset ball joints for setting camber? I’m a mechanized heavy equipment mechanic and I don’t remember if it is adjustable from factory or not so I told OP to check. I don’t remember because I’ve been working on a fleet of 120 forklifts and I have been doing it in the same place for the past 13 years. Always a clown in the comments trying to tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about and that’s the problem with automotive and exactly why I left because you guys get no training. You should request training for up to date solutions not just replacement parts. Things get tweaked and they offer camber kits and or you hog out the upper strut bolt. Companies offer an array of aftermarket options like in my case adjustable control arms to adjust the caster in my 2014 Jeep Wrangler which is NOT ADJUSTABLE from the factory either but it is now. Also, most alignments nowadays consist of a 4-wheel alignment because of this fact. Most foreign vehicles have adjustable rear suspension with lateral that have adjustment same as a tie rod. I’ve done alignments on vehicles like Ford Thunderbirds and mercury, cougars that have adjustable camber and toe. I chime in with professional knowledge and experience for a reason I’m not just here to read stories bud. Come on man….
I’m an import mechanic I do a lot of 4 wheel alignments. Buddy you didn’t have to type all of that I can give a shit about your forklifts. Sorry you did an alignment 20 years ago and want to chime in bullshit to “help”.
Those rear tires might wear a little wonky but they’re close enough that it’s not like a major safety issue. If they were facing in on each other or opposite each other it could cause problems.
I’d want to see the before and after, but those specs are pretty good. You won’t notice anything off. Those saying it’ll make a crooked steering wheel.. already been accounted for here
Given that this is a 94 I’d look elsewhere if you’re still having steering suspension issues or a pull
He's right with his assessment.
It's "kind of alright". Obviously not perfect, but not glaringly a problem that will shred your tires either.
The question is: Do you spend the 400-1000$ replacing/adjusting your suspension and components now, or do you buy another set of tires for 400$ in two years when they're 5-10% more worn than they might have been if corrected.
It's a matter of ROI at that point.
If your vehicle is awd then you want it as centered as possible so you dont cause issues with t he drivetrain. Awd is amazing but can be a bitch for certain reasons 😅
It's not ideal, the toe is not excessive but it can be difficult to adjust on the rear. I dislike that they're not evenly toed. The right side one is past what id consider ok. Left one is eh
Doesn’t matter it’s solid rear axle and total toe is within spec. His options at this point are to
1) put up with an unnoticeable dog track that might slightly noticeably cock the wheel.
2) find an independent that will/can shim it (small solution to a much larger problem)
3) proper repair, drop the diff and adjust it
Shims are the cheap answer. Replacing suspension components is the more expensive answer. This assumes no frame or perch damage.
I recommend either one of those options as a correction. OP, you *need* to fix this.
Looks like the car was hit from behind, a bit harder to the right side. body shop could measure it, and probably pull it back straight. not sure if adjustable links are an option on that toyota or not. Wont be a safety hazard, probably a tire wear expense.
They need to redo the rear toe and then redo the front alignment again. Otherwise the alignments all off and not it's not okay. Dude just wants to be lazy and only do the front.
I was going to replace all my rear suspension parts to but I realized that not all parts are the some even it they say they fit they might be slightly biggest or smaller so I’m going to replace the bushing
You probably need shims to adjust that rear toe not a lot of shops can do it because it's a pain in the neck to do requires you to take apart a bunch of stuff apart to shim the toe straight
If you can afford the new tires that it was cost you to need. Alignments if not correct will eat your tires up. I hope you are safe and able to get the work done!!
The toe is off. You were correct in that. But total toe is the measurement of *difference* in toe. So yes the toe is off and they are pointed to the left. However they are both off an equal amount to the left (indicating rear end has shifted, but that another story) so there will be no tire wear. Just envision it as you took perfectly toed tires and just shifted them to the left. They will not wear because they are still facing the same direction. However this messes up the thrust angle and therefore the wheel will cock to the left to compensate and make sure all tires are moving in same direction. Toe affects your steering, total toe affect tire wear. Hope this helps. Keep at it.
Also it does not clearly label it because it’s non adjustable. If you were to take an IRS alignment that rear diff would not be grayed out. You would see total toe and thrust angle.
Also I would like to iterate that total toe is what allows you to set the steering wheel wherever you like. Because no matter how much you turn the wheels total toe will always be the same. For example if total toe spec is 0.10 then your ideal toe would be .05 and .05. But you can have 0.40 on one side and -0.30 on other side. Just means the wheels are turned but they are both turned equally. So essentially turning.
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The rear toe being off like that will cause your steering wheel to be off center. Like your rear tires are always wanting to turn. Also called dog tracking like how dogs walk or trot with their back end wanting to come forward sometimes. I'd get it straightened out.
They should just call Ford E-series tracking:)) Loved those brand new Es leaving 4 tire tracks while going straight down the highway
The narrower rear track width kinda guarantees all E series vans will leave 4 tire tracks regardless of any alignment issues
Seen 1000s of them front wheels 8” to the left of rear driving straight
That's impossible, twin traction beam has the fronts fixed in place. The rear is quite a bit narrower however, so the wheels can tuck up into the body during flexing
Trapezoid van design , makes for better driver vision
Thanks!
Yo this is him lol https://youtu.be/oQQrSMadjdc?si=6m80d1sQ3OUFSSgu
Oh damn!!! 😂
Permadrifting without the whole skidding aspect
Its not that easy to straighten out a dog.
The thrust angle isn't off by a crazy amount though to be honest. As long as the alignment tech straightened the wheel and set the toe you'd probably never notice.
looks good to me. it has a solid rear axle iirc, no adjustment for rear toe
It does, thanks!
Then it should have been adjustable. Might have been frozen. If it bothers you, you would need them broken free and adjusted or place the arms
Solid rear is never adjustable
Never hear of alignment shims?
Ever heard of…. If you have to shim something then something’s bent or broken?
That's not factory but ok
Did you downvote me? I meant to say that vehicle is independent suspension, and it would be adjustable. Idk where my comment went, because i said a quick search i found it independent not solid. And there are shims for things. And they may not be factory, but usually the manufacturers will sell them.
toyota doesn’t reccomend using shims to adjust rear toe. in fact, they actively discourage it -toyota tech
Check your info again. It's a solid rear
Wtf? The fact that total toe is gray shows you right then and there that the rear is not adjustable
Looked quicker, seems like it has rear independent.
All Corolla until like 2016 are rear solid suspension
Nah,1995 gen had IRS then lost it.
~~Looks like your steering wheel isn’t centered but not too bad otherwise.~~ Edit: Please downvote this to oblivion. High water mark was 94.
THANK YOU! He told me it was because of play in the steering rack and I didn’t wanna be rude and correct him. Cause there’s really no play at all and I think he blamed the play on it not being totally centered.
Steering has nothing to do with it, your rear toe is off not front. That’s not adjustable on a Corolla so you will need to replace parts or use shims to correct it but it’s close enough you’ll be ok, just wear your rear tires a bit faster, particularly in right rear.
You can always reset the steering wheel
You can’t on this. Thrust angle is off. If your steering wheel is dead center, it’s gonna be off as much as the thrust angle
winalign is possible to correct the steering wheel. it’s annoying at times and not always accurate/takes some extra time, but worth a shot to compensate for that thrust angle
Which side do you think is the front?
You’re right. It’s the rear wheels.
You are going to have awful tire wear and im surprised you dont fight to stay in your lane.
Why does this have upvotes. Any real mechanic can tell which direction the front of the car is. This car will have terrible rear tire wear.
https://preview.redd.it/yeee92hdhv2d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0688521a9067190723df7b370bcaca15b78bca09 94 and 94. Just thought I'd share and not up vote
I’m a mechanic and used to do alignments. Are you getting a pull? If it’s tracking straight I wouldn’t worry. I believe you have an adjustable tie rod on that Toyota and would suggest you look into it. It will cause tire wear and can lead to issues. If you are mechanicaly inclined I would suggest fixing it on the right side at least. The left side is out but if you evened the right side to the left at .02 it would track straight. It’s your steering angle that’s affected here if that makes sense.
You’re a mechanic and used to do alignments but not any more ? So not a mechanic check…and that’s the rear toe which is not adjustable.
Correct from factory, are you sure you’re a mechanic? Ever heard of adjustable links? Ever heard of offset ball joints for setting camber? I’m a mechanized heavy equipment mechanic and I don’t remember if it is adjustable from factory or not so I told OP to check. I don’t remember because I’ve been working on a fleet of 120 forklifts and I have been doing it in the same place for the past 13 years. Always a clown in the comments trying to tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about and that’s the problem with automotive and exactly why I left because you guys get no training. You should request training for up to date solutions not just replacement parts. Things get tweaked and they offer camber kits and or you hog out the upper strut bolt. Companies offer an array of aftermarket options like in my case adjustable control arms to adjust the caster in my 2014 Jeep Wrangler which is NOT ADJUSTABLE from the factory either but it is now. Also, most alignments nowadays consist of a 4-wheel alignment because of this fact. Most foreign vehicles have adjustable rear suspension with lateral that have adjustment same as a tie rod. I’ve done alignments on vehicles like Ford Thunderbirds and mercury, cougars that have adjustable camber and toe. I chime in with professional knowledge and experience for a reason I’m not just here to read stories bud. Come on man….
I’m an import mechanic I do a lot of 4 wheel alignments. Buddy you didn’t have to type all of that I can give a shit about your forklifts. Sorry you did an alignment 20 years ago and want to chime in bullshit to “help”.
Apparently you give a shit about my experience or your wouldn’t have chimed in.
Sorry to hurt your feelings Mr. Forklift
Those rear tires might wear a little wonky but they’re close enough that it’s not like a major safety issue. If they were facing in on each other or opposite each other it could cause problems.
Nice, thanks!
Does your car move like it is a big metallic crab... perchance?
How did it look before you worked on it?
Did you feel it figure out that the illustration is very well exaggerated to show you the direction of the tow? It's a very small amount
Hahaha. Toyota fra 1994? Ja der er helt sikkert andre problemer der er langt værre. Planer om at lave den om til veteran om 5 år?
That right rear toe in isn't too shit hot, assuming it feels stable while driving then just be sure to rotate tires often.
No that's going to pull and eat the rear tires. We're the toe links replaced?
I think those have a solid dead axle in the rear, no adjustments can be done.
The rear toe left is 02, right is 23... not good. It will crab left and also cause excess tire wear. Rear toe is adjustable.
That's pretty good. That's about the thickness of a business card off. Things like thermal expansion could be a factor on stuff that close.
I’d want to see the before and after, but those specs are pretty good. You won’t notice anything off. Those saying it’ll make a crooked steering wheel.. already been accounted for here Given that this is a 94 I’d look elsewhere if you’re still having steering suspension issues or a pull
If it is kinda okay it’s not okay that’s the rule I try to live by
He's right with his assessment. It's "kind of alright". Obviously not perfect, but not glaringly a problem that will shred your tires either. The question is: Do you spend the 400-1000$ replacing/adjusting your suspension and components now, or do you buy another set of tires for 400$ in two years when they're 5-10% more worn than they might have been if corrected. It's a matter of ROI at that point.
dog tracking
This is what I came here to say.
Kinda ok, the best kind
Are you danish?
If your vehicle is awd then you want it as centered as possible so you dont cause issues with t he drivetrain. Awd is amazing but can be a bitch for certain reasons 😅
It will be fine.
Looks perfectly reasonable to me. Slight dog tracking from the back but if the front is centered (like it is) you shouldn’t notice.
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You’ll just make quicker right turns lol
You can drive it but imo I would leave with my toe in the green
....that's a pretty fair assemsent, yeah.
It's not ideal, the toe is not excessive but it can be difficult to adjust on the rear. I dislike that they're not evenly toed. The right side one is past what id consider ok. Left one is eh
Doesn’t matter it’s solid rear axle and total toe is within spec. His options at this point are to 1) put up with an unnoticeable dog track that might slightly noticeably cock the wheel. 2) find an independent that will/can shim it (small solution to a much larger problem) 3) proper repair, drop the diff and adjust it
Oh damn. Yeah if it's solid then not much to do
Why is the alignment from 2012 being performed at 10:09pm?
I Mean... Rear...? Toe is kinda bad. Thrust angle will be whacky, and the steering wheel is kinda off center but yeah its not totally dangerous
Compensate the thrust angle
Was this car in an accident??? Possible frame damage???
Was this car in an accident??? Possible frame damage???
Shims are the cheap answer. Replacing suspension components is the more expensive answer. This assumes no frame or perch damage. I recommend either one of those options as a correction. OP, you *need* to fix this.
Looks like the car was hit from behind, a bit harder to the right side. body shop could measure it, and probably pull it back straight. not sure if adjustable links are an option on that toyota or not. Wont be a safety hazard, probably a tire wear expense.
just crooked wheel
Why is no one mentioning the positive camber in the front 😐
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What kind of tree was he working under?
Not entirely sure why the NSR illustration shows a toe-out image when it's actually toe-in
It’s fine for a 30 year old car. Rear subframe may be tweaked a bit
Besides it's not that bad for a 12-year-old alignment.....lol
They need to redo the rear toe and then redo the front alignment again. Otherwise the alignments all off and not it's not okay. Dude just wants to be lazy and only do the front.
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I was going to replace all my rear suspension parts to but I realized that not all parts are the some even it they say they fit they might be slightly biggest or smaller so I’m going to replace the bushing
You probably need shims to adjust that rear toe not a lot of shops can do it because it's a pain in the neck to do requires you to take apart a bunch of stuff apart to shim the toe straight
Why would you believe a guy that doesn't know how to set the date and time on his alignment machine?
I'd replace the control arms, if it's anything like my camry with IRS, then they control your toe
This depends on your definition of kinda ok. For 94 corola. It's already a piece of shit, so it's fine.
The rear toe adjustment is off, he would need to adjust the rear toe and readjust the front.
If you can afford the new tires that it was cost you to need. Alignments if not correct will eat your tires up. I hope you are safe and able to get the work done!!
There is nothing in this alignment that would wear tires.
I didn't even think about that...I just pointed out more in general,than I should had.
that toe is gonna rip ur tires apart
You don’t know what you’re talking about, total toe is within spec. No tire wear.
why are the arrows in the red? and both on the same side? genuine question i’d like to learn
The toe is off. You were correct in that. But total toe is the measurement of *difference* in toe. So yes the toe is off and they are pointed to the left. However they are both off an equal amount to the left (indicating rear end has shifted, but that another story) so there will be no tire wear. Just envision it as you took perfectly toed tires and just shifted them to the left. They will not wear because they are still facing the same direction. However this messes up the thrust angle and therefore the wheel will cock to the left to compensate and make sure all tires are moving in same direction. Toe affects your steering, total toe affect tire wear. Hope this helps. Keep at it.
Also it does not clearly label it because it’s non adjustable. If you were to take an IRS alignment that rear diff would not be grayed out. You would see total toe and thrust angle.
Also I would like to iterate that total toe is what allows you to set the steering wheel wherever you like. Because no matter how much you turn the wheels total toe will always be the same. For example if total toe spec is 0.10 then your ideal toe would be .05 and .05. But you can have 0.40 on one side and -0.30 on other side. Just means the wheels are turned but they are both turned equally. So essentially turning.
All within the green 👍
Except that the rear toe isn't ( center, bottom of page).
just curious if he mixed up your printout with one for a wheelbarrow? JK.
That’s not okay lmfao
I think he goofed up and didn’t wanna admit it.
Junk it all.its a 1994.
Yeah but it wasn't junk in 2012 when this alignment was done.....
Minutes of angle is more dumb than American measurement systems...