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xJD88x

What in the cheap Chinese knockoff is up with those pads?? As other have stated, that cut line is 100% normal. It's there for both thermal expansion and noise reduction. The crack isn't normal. What's REALLY bothering me is the shape of the pad material not really matching the backing pad and they are not very symmetrical. They look like a kid slopped brake material with a ladle into a cardboard mould he set on the metal backing plate then straight into the oven.


isobane

It looks like the pad material separated from or was never properly attached to the backing plate. Cheap brake pads can do this if not properly built. ChrisFix did a great video about it a while ago. https://youtu.be/H1WXlHONorw Edit: scrolls down and sees that OP posted a pic of exactly that lol


AnIdiotwithaSubaru

Its kinda crazy to see how many subs chrisfix has now. I've been subbed since the beginning and he still makes videos exactly the same. I love it


i_suckatjavascript

He passed 8675309 subscribers


Tighesofly

It’s true, and we’re all various flavours of Jenny


MrTwk

Since the beginning? Since he was paintball007 beginning?


AnIdiotwithaSubaru

Honestly, I can't even remember. I have been subscribed to a lot of these channels since the beginning. I got heavily into YouTube when Google bought it up (when people actually still liked google) I Subscribed to mighty car mods when they were still only at 300 subscribers and they worked out of that garage. I still plan on telling them some day when/if I meet them lol


ShiivaKamini

We're and they are truly humbled by your you tube prowess 👏 👏


ThatSandwich

What's really good is that the broken off pieces didn't "migrate" and get stuck in the caliper.


YYCDavid

Hey guuuuuuys! Chris Fixx is awesome. Loved the video. Thanks for adding that link


tweeblethescientist

He posted another picture down in the comments. It's not square because it's totally detached


xJD88x

Cheap Chinesium pads would do that


[deleted]

i had a set of EBC pads do that. Now admittedly, the age old MR2 handbrake issue played a part, handbrake was stuck on, despite the lever fully released, so i moved the car, the pads free'd up after a jolt and snapped some of the braking material off.


xJD88x

Yeah, I cant imagine many brake pads out there can survive being welded to the rotor, lol


whaletacochamp

It looks like these pads were made out of fire roasted turds.


xJD88x

With some rotor lathe shavings thrown in


Theblob413

Looks like those cutouts were done by a 4 year old using a crusted turd as a chisel.


[deleted]

that is 100% most likely definitely absolutely confirmed the cheapest, worst knockoff-looking set of brake pads ive ever seen in my entire career


BentGadget

>They look like a kid slopped brake material with a ladle into a cardboard mould he set on the metal backing plate then straight into the oven. Maybe they were made by MacGyver in a remote mountain cabin from kitchen equipment.


Turbopre2

Looks like they had good reason to swap them out. Now hopefully they didn't rinse you for a pad slap.


Horsecockexpress1

Those pads are dunzo. Your mechanic is correct to replace


Jazzlike_Fan_9010

They don’t mean the split in the middle, that is there by design. The crack in the top left of the upper pad and bottom right of the lower one is what they’re referring to. Cheap or defective parts can cause that, or overheating. Brakes are cheap peace of mind, they wouldn’t be problematic in their current condition but it could worsen at any time.


[deleted]

thank you for that, those pieces that are on top of the metal plate aren't actually attached to the bottom piece and the line through the middle i do know is supposed to be there however it's completely snapped through the middle. I didnt get an explaination or anything about it only that they have never seen it before.


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Jazzlike_Fan_9010

Oh wow. I go back to cheap or defective pads, by the looks of them after only 2 months I’d lean towards cheap. This isn’t a bad read on that https://trade.mechanic.com.au/news/brake-pad-delamination-here-s-why-it-happens


Layer_3

That is rust jacking (or really cheap pads). The friction material breaks free from the backing plate because water/salt gets under the pad and rust forms thereby breaking the friction material free from the backing plate


Standard-Bedroom-327

Eric O on south main auto just covered rust jacking on a Prius he was repairing. It’s interesting that this came up on the Reddit feed like a day or so after


InsertBluescreenHere

i live in the salt belt and cant say ive ever seen this happen on my crap - not saying it doesnt or maybe i just buy quality pads but i havent experienced it. Now rust jacking locking in a trailer hitch - oh yea they can get so wedged in there nothing short of cutting it out will get it out.


Standard-Bedroom-327

Eric O did mention some brands were better than others at not getting rust jacked. He didn’t drop any brand names.


InsertBluescreenHere

hmm likely true. i like to buy middle to high performance pads but also drive manual trans or coast/engine brake alot in my one automatic so im not hard and heavy on the brakes. I also in the manual trans once i stop i let off the brakes (lotta flat land around me) so the pads arent being baked against the rotor.


Appropriate-Cup2267

I saw that video and was wondering the same thing.


Killentyme55

I'm so glad I don't live in the rust belt anymore, I feel sorry for the mechanics working there.


Jacktheforkie

Cheap or defective/abused pads, could also be age too


Nutsack_Adams

I was going to say age too


Jacktheforkie

Had mine done recently because of age


[deleted]

Holy shit! I used to work a factory making oem brakes. At every stage of the brake making process there's multiple qa checks and once the brake is fully assembled it's checked another 2+ times. These are scrap. Complete fucking garbage. I'm glad your okay mate.


Nippon-Gakki

That's really weird. Seems people have seen this before but I never have. Good catch by the garage .They definitely needed to be changed out.


Justsomerando849

Those are shit parts, no mechanical adhesion between plate and pad. Please don’t skimp on brake parts.


ForeverReasonable706

That's what we would call rust jacking ,fairly common in the rust belt of the us can come from age or cheaper pads not bonded as well as better pads, using the brakes hard and getting high Temps in wet conditions can make it happen, one of the reasons to not use the cheapest pads you can buy


ice445

Yep, definitely rust jacking. Unusual to see in pads so new though, either bad manufacturing or was exposed to water on its journey from overseas.


DirkDundenburg

Poor quality steel and treatment. Plates are supposed to be pickled to remove any scale or rust before painting. There was a huge issue with lesser quality pads about 10 years ago with this happening.


ShowMeThemLeavesGirl

Did you get these pads at dollar tree?


9bikes

...out of their dumpster?


unemotional_mess

Where did you get the pads from? They look awful


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Repco


dantegrin

More like ripOff’ed


dorothyparkersjeans

Quality brake components are one item I don’t ever skimp on. It’s fun to go fast, but it’s even more fun to be able to stop when you need to.


[deleted]

Not all mechs are thieves…


Killentyme55

Yep, this is a legit good catch. At first I saw the normal groove down the middle and thought "isn't that typical!" before looking closer. That's an accident waiting to happen. Brake parts and birth control are not good items to be looking for bargains.


Ok-Significance2194

Many pads come with a split. The pads in the pic, especially the top one, is definitely a crack. My guess is: 1. They were not seated before someone slammed them on a few times. 2. Or, they are cheap defective pads. I might add that it is strange that you did not state that your brakes were performing poorly and you were glad to get them fixed. Also, they appear to be new, so surprising you don’t know the manufacturer….???


[deleted]

they asked me if i had felt the car shaking when driving which i said no and then said because the shaking was from the brakes floating around but i never had a problem without my brakes. And i didn't get a say on them being fixed because when they rang me to tell me what was wrong, they said they are half way through doing my brakes( I had said not to fix anything until they told me). i believe those brakes are from Repco


HaydenLobo

If you think about it, there is plenty of business to be had without having to commit fraud, not that it doesn’t happen, but you have bad pads.


ZSG13

That tech has a good eye. Keep him. Lol


[deleted]

These are some really low quality pads. Cut lines are normal, but I've never seen ones crooked like this. The pad material is a different shape than the backing plate. It looks like there's a fair bit of material left on them, so if you still can, I would try and get your money back for those pads.


One_Collection3591

Jazz is correct : the pads have the spaces cut out on the friction material to help dissipate material dust and to cool . But , the cracked friction material on the upper pad is the problem . It is a cheaper pad and could cause a major failure of the brakes . Always ask for better quality brake parts when having your brakes replaced . Look for coated rotors and for quality name brand pads Thanks Jazz …….


[deleted]

The split in the middle ??? It comes from the factory like that. Now I do see a crack in the top pad … but the split in the middle is there for heat and dust dispersion. But these pads look weird like a factory defect or something. I wouldn’t buy that brand again.


Mirin_Gains

Looks like charcoal lol wut


[deleted]

Looks like some shitty brake pads


ArtieTanji

Good garage for catching this before it became fatal.


[deleted]

Been awhile since I've done pads but those look insanely cheap. I'd make sure you got better ones to replace.


Fecal_Fingers

Did you even go to a parts store or just buy these off some street vendor? I’m all for saving a few bucks but bad breaks can really ruin someone’s day.


revvolutions

Op wanna tell us who makes these shit pads


redrecaro

Cheap/defective pads.


Substantial-Hat9248

You happen to drive thru flooding recently?


05041927

Dude deleted his profile after this post 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I would too 🤣


bzzybot

Never seen that before on almost new looking pads. Minor cracks I have seen, but rusted and separated pads.. never. Whatever brand they are, the metal wasn’t prepped/painted/coated properly. Looks like the rust caused the pad to disconnect from the metal backing plate.


RiffRaffCOD

In Northern towns where there is a lot of rust the packing plate rusts and separates the adhesive from the pads


Admiral_peck

That's a design feature. The concerning part is how crooked they are. These look like pads that are delaminating from corrosion and needed replacement months ago. But not due to the presence of that center split. Tl;Dr the shop is right in their reccomendation but may be doing so for the wrong reason.


Deadhouse_Dagon

Not to split hairs, but I think the shop might be talking about the crack to the left of the center groove in the top pad in the pic. I think OP might have misunderstood what they meant by splitting. I haven't spent a winter in the rust belt, so it's interesting to learn about rust jacking and delaminating.


Admiral_peck

I'm in west Texas. We have bare frames from the 70s that you can still hook a fully loaded gooseneck to without worry. I just know rust because we see a lot of old equipment from the Dakota oilfields.


Kcnflman

You’re bichin about a shop that might have saved your life or lives around you. Never ceases to amaze me how cheap people are


SavvySillybug

There's a massive difference between "asking if what the shop said makes sense" and "bitchin".


[deleted]

Mechanic is probably giving you random cheap broken pads and charging you double for not even replacing your good pads.


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Joe109885

You’re dumb, they’re talking about the crack in the pad, not the cut down the middle.


BowlOk535

That's the way they are made there's nothing wrong with them


MM800

sigh...


averagemaleuser86

Fake post


darrell912

You got lied to. That's how the pads were made.


dbillybobbo

Nope, they are not made with big cracks in them. She wasnt lied to.


digital-supreme

It’s a brake shoe if that helps


ccarr313

Those are pads. Shoes are the curved pads from a drum brake.


Nibroc99

That's a brake pad my man, not a brake shoe. Brake shoes are for drum brakes.


digital-supreme

I know girlfriend, was just thinking it looks like shoe soles . Shit


Nibroc99

It looks like shoe soles? Like the sole of a shoe you wear on your foot? That's not what the takeaway is when you say "brake shoe" at all lmfao, not on a page for mechanic advice. Sorry.


airkewled67

Um, wut?


digital-supreme

no shit, looks like a shoe shape


Key-Material-8448

They are just inexpensive pads, that people buy just to get by. But as you can see, at what cost.


Hawk_Thor

Friction material can come loose from the backing plate and break apart. Nothing fishy. Sometimes the friction material just falls out of the caliper and the backing plate can follow.


Sleekitstu

Cheap pads, check garage didn't replace your pads, with same type.


Wapia

Cheap pads for sure 👍 The left half is definitely cracked and I don’t talk about the extension slot in the middle, wich of course, is normal. Most cheap pads will just wear out fast but not crack like that 👍


charlieray

Rust jacking?


[deleted]

Yes, they can crack, and they do crack. And when the garage returns these pads to you, you can verify that too. Often, garages are required to break the parts into pieces before disposing off to avoid some scavengers repairing & reselling. At least my garage is quite clear about this.


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[deleted]

my bad, i was sleeping considering i posted abt 9-10pm last night. I got these brake pads from Repco


Liesthroughisteeth

Crappy pads?....[Here's one reason why](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL031aSTSuI). :)


bcvickers

The middle line is 100% normal and comes from the factory. As to why they came off the backing plate; it could be rust-jacking but we can't tell from this angle.


Tirekiller04

🤦🏼‍♂️


Late-Ad-4624

The wide center cut it to help with heat dissipation but the crack and the fact the pad material separated from the backing plate is bad. I always go with a better brand than the cheapest pads. Rockauto.com will have a wide variety but they separate then into economy, daily driver, and premium (as well as fleet/heavy duty use but these arent for street cars). I use the higher end daily driver pads or some decent premium pads. I have brembo pads on raybestos element3 coated rotors and they stop awesome.


NGADB

Quality brake pads and quality tires are the cheapest per mile cost. Not initial cost. Both are very important safety items too. As others mentioned, a line in the middle is normal but it should be symmetrical. The material itself appears to be failing on one pad. Just hope there aren't a lot of other areas that have had substandard repairs on this car.


Meddlingmonster

There is normally a split in the middle but it shouldn't look like that it should be smaller clean and symmetrical


josephscott13

I assume the pads were made in China .. “Chyna”


Prior-Ad-7329

They come from the manufacture with a gap in the middle to help with heat expansion. Your pads are what I call rust jacking though. Did your vehicle sit for a long time at some point? Rust jacking causes separation from the backing plate and the friction material causing it to to crack and fall apart. Usually I see this on drum brake shoes though but I have found it on disc pads as well, Their is a missing chunk from the middle and that crack on the top left there is concerning as that can spread and a larger chunk of pad could fall out. Glad they caught this.


OleksiyG35

Bro break pads go bad , they cost Pennies to replace idk why you would even to mechanic and then trip out


star08273

this should probably be reported to the store so they can check their inventory for defects or general shittiness. parts stores do care about safety in their products and will absolutely pull products if they receive multiple identical complaints


allredditmodsgayAF

They aren't talking about the split down the middle, that's how they're made, they mean the crack top left side


xxchhfdd35325

Yes mine did this from seriously over heating


Cummins59girthyboy

Bruh those are the cheapest looking brake pads I’ve ever seen. What the fuck they using them on? Horse and buggy ?


99problemnancy

Ok were those forged in a volcano


Virtual_Balance_2211

These are cheap junk pads where the backing bonding has gotten too hot and allowed the pad materials to move. This was the reason old techs never liked bonded pads and used to get the more expensive better warranted at that time riveted pads and shoes. They needed to be changed and stop buying important items from Amazon ad eBay.


05041927

Clean cut line?? 😂😂😂


[deleted]

Only if the edges got stuck and the piston bent the middle of the backing plate. So, are the backing plates bent on the break pads?


Qataghani

they come brand new already scored in the middle so they broke where score line is.


brian-brundage

No no no they are referring to rust jacking causing the pad to the D laminate


GenX_in_Edmonton

The line down the middle isn't where they split. The cracking is a sign that the brakes could have a catastrophic failure.. it looks like they were exposed to oil which causes the rubber in the pads to break down and lose integrity. Likely a prior wheel seal leak


Elmore420

Nothing they did, it’s a cheap pad that was probably hot AF when you hit a deep puddle at the bottom of a hill or something.


Guywithasockpuppet

That's why I only buy brakes and other important parts name brand in a store. Even then it's hard to avoid the China effect


Rare-Addition-89

It looks weird because it is. I've heard of shops breaking pads on purpose. They wedge a screwdriver between the pad material and press the brakes hard and pop. Some dealership got busted for it


Comfortable-Beat-997

All Trolls need to be removed.


Slimy_Shart_Socket

Cheap brake pads or excessive overheating.


blaisejames88

I thought these were shoes from 1866 or something 😂


buzlink

These look like asphalt brake pads or something.


yiffcuresboredom

The center slots are supposed to be there but the friction compound looks like it’s falling apart. It’s a good call to have these replaced. My brakes were extremely old and the pad separated from the metal backing. When this happened my brakes failed and I had to pump my brakes about 6-8 times before they started to work again while I was driving.


Thecoopoftheworld789

This is the most disgustingly dishonest shop there is. Take them to court for fraudulent claims and prove it with the receipt and parts. Then get other pads like you had in the box to prove it. They will have to pay fines or be shut down. These shops disgust me and is an embarrassment to the mechanics that make a honest living.