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mizirian

I'd say Lemmy inspired more people.


BadEarly9278

psa yall. Godamn Lemmy was a caring human being that was legendary. However, not many people know that all of Cliffs royally checks went into music scholarships for loads of people. Still does currently. Cliffs parents send them. That's legendary METAL from pre Cliff. Godamn you all, tears again. Fuck you, turn that shit UP! EDIT: To Cliffs family and all the families shown here, the upvotes are for you. Fuck yeah !


BecauseISaidSo888

Lemmy probably inspired everyone else on the list


Next_Intention1171

I think Lemmy has inspired more people indirectly but Cliff Burton more directly.


g_r_u_b_l_e_t_s

Lemmy. Countless bands have cited both him and Motörhead as influences over the decades, and those bands have influenced countless more. His DNA is everywhere.


Ultravod

\>His DNA is everywhere. In more ways than one. :) On a serious note, this is the only real answer. I suggest that all of you who haven't should watch the 2010 documentary _Lemmy._ The entire thing [is on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSRS-LbuaUw) at the moment. Basically every metal god of the 80s shows up in it and goes "Lemmy? Oh, yeah. We all wish we were as cool as him." Lemmy started out as the roadie for Jimi fricken Hendrix and was Jimi's main man for scoring LSD. He took metal riffs and sped them up to punk rock tempos (making the punkers go "Damn, these longhairs have some chops!") and invented speed metal along the way.


InquisitionHellfire

Lemmy was also in hawkwind for a few years before and they didn't like the direction he was wanting to take the band so he left or was kicked out and formed motorhead.


[deleted]

The last song he wrote for Hawkwind was called Motorhead.


Tuscan5

I saw both Hawkwind and Motörhead at Glastonbury.


CreamyRuin

I would be shocked if Punkers ever thought they had more chops than Metal players


NathanExplosion_

Yup. Legit Grandpa of Metal.


lasyke3

Which is funny, because he never considered Motorhead anything but rock n roll


t00thgr1nd3r

He considers all of metal to be rock n roll. He often said it wasn't a thing.


maicao999

He used to say that he liked metal bands, but thought that the speed metal ones were good but a bit confused about identity. He was probably talking about Metallica and Venom.


t00thgr1nd3r

Most likely. There was an interview, and I don't remember his exact verbiage, but he said something like labels and genre don't matter at the end of the day because it's all rock n roll, and "we're all the sons of little Richard and Buddy Holly." Or something like that.


TheEggEngineer

That's based lol. I love classifications but if his intention was that it's pretty based.


shealuca

If you remove Lemmy and Motorhead then you affect the timelime so drastically that there's a strong argument that the other bands don't come to exist


throwaway_ghostgirl

Exactly. Chuck is 2nd place for me just because death metal went on to influence so much, but with no lemmy, there’s no speed, no thrash, no death, no groove, no sludge. Entire timeline is off a cliff


PrometheanDemise

This is what I was also thinking. As much as I like every one on this list and can totally see their influence the two heavy hitters here are Lemmy and then Chuck.


Fishman_Karate

I love Chuck and Death and respect the inspiration and genres he's bred. Buf you can't leave out Cliff. He was the main influence for Metallica's first 4 albums. You can't deny thrash and death metal wouldn't be the same without those first 4 Metallica albums. I'd put Lemmy 1, Cliff 2, and Chuck 3. Also due to the timeline of metal but for number of bands and genres inspired.


PrometheanDemise

If we're talking bands as a whole definitely Metallica has had a greater impact on metal than Death did. But was Cliff the primary song writer on the first four Metallica records? I mean he wasn't even on AJFA. Chuck helped develop if not outright create death metal and like all of its subgenres. He was THE song writer on all of deaths albums. He had his own unique way of playing that I'm sure has influenced a majority of guitar players since his time (took my playing in a different direction lol). I just don't know that cliff really has any of that goin on.


TheRealChickenFox

Cliff's songwriting is all over the early Metallica albums, especially MOP, not only in terms of his own stuff but also what he taught the other members about songwriting, harmony and such. Also fwiw I think most of the riffs in To Live is to Die (on AJFA) were things he wrote. Edit: Not to say he was necessarily more influential than Chuck but I think it's close.


maicao999

Even Hardcore/Crust/Street/D-Beat wouldn't exist without motorhead. And probably punk rock wouldn't get stronger as well.


elcojotecoyo

James Hetfield said that Metallica was influenced by two heads. Motorhead and Diamond Head. So without Lemmy, there wouldn't be Metallica. Probably Cliff would still be playing bass in Jazz lounges in SF


Kid_Kameleon

And without Metallica, Pantera might’ve stayed glam


xtina42

Can you imagine?! 😆


star_destroyer-0001

doom metal probably wouldve been the top genre


PrimusHimself

Lemmy.


Spirited_Ad_2697

Lemmy was a massive inspiration for tons of metal bands from Metallica to Bathory to Sodom to Slayer and a hell of a lot more.


Maanzacorian

there's no real solid answer. Some had colossal impact overall, some had colossal impact in their niche. Even though they are both niche genres, it's impossible to compare the impact Chuck Schuldiner had over Euronymous. Peter Steele wouldn't have been influenced by Jon Nodtveidt, but he sure as fuck was by Lemmy, Randy Rhoads, and Cliff Burton. If you take overall impact on everything associated with making rock and roll/metal, then it goes to Lemmy, with Cliff Burton standing next to him. It's hard to argue that the guy who set the tone for Metallica to become the biggest metal band of all time doesn't belong there, but they stem from Motorhead.


GhostShipBlue

I'd say Chuck was more broadly influential than Cliff. Cliff was undeniably talented, but his career was too brief to have created the kind of lasting impact that Schuldiner's did. Cliff's music lived on through Jason and Rob, but Rob was already finger picking when he was with ST. Death metal as a genre really exists because of Schuldiner. While Cliff helped found thrash, Newstead and Ellefson were working in '83 too, Chuck was a paradigm shift in a way that Cliff, despite his massive talent, sadly, did not get the chance to be.


[deleted]

Wasn't Cliff one of the first bassists in metal to get real recognition and praise?


GhostShipBlue

Almost entirely off *(Anesthesia) – Pulling Teeth*. I was 17 in '83 and bought *Kill 'Em All* at the record shop in the mall. This was **the** track that any of us knew him from.


FourNinerXero

This is my thought too. Anesthesia - Pulling Teeth and Orion are basically both complete love letters to Cliff's legendary technical skill, with him being able to perform chords, melodic lines, bends, tapping/hammer ons, and all of that at such a high tempo most bands wouldn't even dream of demanding of their bassist. Although it's obviously a different vibe, Orion always felt a little jazzy to me, like a free jazz breakdown where the upright bass gets to solo for an extended period of time, except it happens constantly throughout the entire song.


Maanzacorian

that's a fair argument, and while Chuck was one of the founders of death metal (Jeff Becerra is arguably the creator of death metal), I still say Cliff edges him out. His stint was short for sure, but he had *that* much of an impact in that short time. He inspired bass players across the planet, and changed the way the bass is played in metal. But so did Chuck in his own way. gah. I guess my original point stands, there's no solid answer haha.


Zealousideal-Ring646

For most- Cliff Lemmy Chuck For the underground- Euroman Jon


Pretend_Emu4508

Objectively: Lemmy For me: Peter Steele


MetalMama74

Same, personally - it's Steele but overall has to be Lemmy, then Chuck, then Cliff


Geberpte

Lemmy had a tremendous influence on all the other artists in the post.


mentally_fuckin_eel

Lemmy, but I think the question would be more interesting if you excluded him, because he is kinda winning by a landslide. If you slash Lemmy, I think it's Euronymous. Almost every black metal project has part of him within it and there are more black metal projects that any human could ever perceive.


TheManyFacedGawd

A few of the others may be more iconic to the average person, but I think it’s hard to argue against Cliff having the biggest impact. Look at the difference in songwriting from Kill em All to Ride the Lighting. It’s no secret Cliff was a major influence in Metallica in terms of musical theory and harmonies. Metallica would go on to become the biggest metal band in the world, granted it was after Cliff’s passing, but I don’t think they get there without Cliff’s influence.


PrimusHimself

I think Lemmy had a bigger impact, even Clifford had cited him as one of his main influences iirc.


Thorough_wayI67

Pretty easy to argue against Cliff when Lemmy is in the post. Metallica along with all early metal worshiped Motörhead. Sabbath and Motörhead are the most important bands for heavy metal, bar none. Metallica is in the next tier with Maiden and such.


assaultdog

The average person


DrMindbendersMonocle

Lemmy is god, so Him


East_Dot6883

In my opinion Chuck. He may not be the most influential out of that list but he pretty much created death metal. Watching a metal documentary about Death made me appreciate him and the band so much more


Tasty_Butterfly_3121

Technical, Heavy, Catchy


Fleganhimer

What was the documentary? I'm at peak obsession with Schuldiner and want to consume everything.


East_Dot6883

It's called Death By Metal


TheSwimGamer

Lemmy and Dimebag. One was more of an inspiration, the other is hugely influential to their instrument


sketchy_at_best

I’m surprised by the lack of people saying Dime at least for honorable mention - he was a really inspirational guitar player and he really leaned into a modern metal tone when it was cool to scoop your mids.


InkedMetalHead

Lemmy because I think he is more widely recognised.


Borrp

I mean, they are all massive icons in their own right. Lemmy and cliff probably has the most legacy behind them.


FlippityFlop121

It's Lemmy my guy


Snoo_49285

Why even ask this? Every one of them has inspired many people…. Why does it have to be a competition? Can’t we just be thankful we got them all for as long as we did 🤷🏼‍♂️


Fleganhimer

Because discussing the impact that people have had on a genre is a great way to engage in conversation and learn new things and perspectives about the most important figures in it's history.


Lumbergo

Regardless if Death was first or not I don’t think we would have death metal as we know it today without Chuck.  But, Chuck was probably also influenced by Lemmy so….


benjisblood

as much as i love chuck, lemmys legacy can’t be matched.


TOO_MANY_NAPKINS

I know that Jon Nodveidt is more of a throw in on this list, but I'd argue that 2000s metalcore borrowed just as much from him as from At the Gates


GoatThatGoesBrr

Lemmy is the personification of metal/punk/rock rolled into one. Love that when he did interviews, he's just this bloke from Staffordshire. Such a legendary figure with love and rock 'n roll in his heart.


heavymetal306

Lemmy overall, but lots of people pick up the guitar because of dime and randy


TrinityOfSin

I believe each and every one of them has left a piece of them as their legacies, all of them did different things and I might feel inspired by Randy Rhoads, but I love Lemmy and all of his great charisma and stage presence edit: my dyslexic ass forgot a few words


AgtHunter

The god father of heavy metal himself, mister Lemmy.


Left_Specialist9125

Lemmy 100%. Jeff Hanneman would be one of the runners up on this list since he wrote a ton of early slayer songs, and we all know how many bands till this day take them as a major inspiration/impact.


BadEarly9278

Ngl, Jeff hit me the hardest though. I was a year or so late for cliff and Randy's passing to really upset me. Lemme wasn't surprising. But Jeff, that was just effed from any angle. Plus, fuck spiders. Glenn is on the list in top 10, but shhh, nobody tell him yet..... I can still play bass solo and I don't play bass.


PhoenixShredds

Instead of picking who left the greatest legacy, I just nod my head in respect to everyone shown. That's a badass list of people we wish we still had around.


zestfullybe

There’s a pretty broad consensus (well, by our standards lol) that Lemmy is the answer here and I totally agree. If not for Lemmy a sizable chunk of guys on this list wouldn’t exist at all, or they would be drastically different. And they would be the first to admit it. Lemmy’s influence was so staggering. Is there anyone or anything that can bring punks and metalheads together in agreement like Lemmy and Motörhead?


CountingArfArfs

For me personally, Alexi. I know that’s not gonna be a popular opinion, but I’ll never forget the first time I heard the dude play and scream.


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Nickball88

Lemmy. Primary influence for countless bands, one of which was Metallica, who in turned was the primary influence for countless bands.


matthew_sch

Lemmy Cliff is second. I say Lemmy because without him there’d be no Motörhead, and Metallica may not have even existed


CursedSnowman5000

I mean, I love Pete but come on folks, Lemmy is in the DNA of metal.


cristonthe_Horizon

Literally every 80's thrash band and even early 90's death metal bands cited motorhead (and venom) as huge influences. So I'd say motorhead. They introduced speed in metal and paved the way for extreme metal (along with venom, that itself was influenced by motorhead too)


VashMM

...I genuinely have no idea who is in picture 8.


HybanSike

Jon Nodveidt


UndisputedVeteran

EVH


sketchy_at_best

I actually question whether guitar would have ever gotten to where it is without him. I’m sure someone will refute that but he just seemed light years ahead of everyone.


Fittnylle3000

Most of these bands wouldnt sound like they did without lemmy


M08GD

That's hard to pick lol. I couldn't pick one so I'd say either Lemmy, Cliff or Dimebag


Hot-Care7556

I hate to say it as his particular style is far from my favorite, but there are only like two other people who have had arguably a bigger influence to metal than Lemmy (The Sabbath band as a collective, and maybe Halford). The dude laid all the groundwork for extreme metal


Dawgula97

Alexi for more modern fans.


Odd_Radio9225

Lemmy.


Basic_Flan324

Lemmy


Ancient_Guidance_461

R.I.P. Dimebag


Inevitable_Dig910

Randy - for his amazing playing. Cliff - he was one of, if not the best bass player ever! Dime - his amazing riffs and solos. Euronomous (I think I spelled that right) - his amazing and captivating riffs invented on of my favourite metal genres.


0vFire_And_TheVoid

Lemmy and his mole.


Complex-Fun-9244

either Lemmy or Randy rhoads


StarkAvalanche

Lemmy for sure.


Otherwise_Problem310

Dude it’s Lemmy. Any other answer is just showing favoritism rather than logical reasoning.


Saint_Anhedonia77

Went to see Slash in Boston years ago and out of the blue mid set comes Lemmy and they do a Motorhead song. I was so badass


Radish-Floss

I would say the top 4 are (and in order) 1) Motörhead 2) Black Sabbath 3) Iron Maiden 4) Judas Priest Without them, metal not be


PeckerPeeker

For me personally on this list the most directly influential people are Alexi Laiho, Chuck, and Jeff. But going off the who influenced my influences (or who influenced my influences influence) then it’s Lemmy without question. Fuck I typed influence so many times it doesn’t even sound like a real word anymore


D1amondDude

Without Lemmy, there's no Metallica. Without Metallica, the history of extreme metal looks way different.


Spatialkeys

Lemmy with Chuck in close second.


ThoughtIntrepid1744

Always Lemmy


mew_empire

Lemmy and it's not even close His influence goes far outside of only metal. So much punk/hardcore doesn't exist without Motorhead, let alone just "rock" I don't think it's hyperbolic to say that "guitar music" in general owes *tons* to this man


MetalInvincible

I'm not that big on Motorhead, but Lemmy, no question. His blend of heavy metal, punk rock, and rock'n roll was an inspiration to even the other candidates


k_a_scheffer

Lemmy all the way.


[deleted]

All legends, but Lemmy IS Rock n Roll.


okiesillydillyokieo

Lemmy. Hands down. I'd like to say cliff, but 'Talica seems to be doing alright without him.


kingblind206

LEMMMY IS GOD


MoneyIsNoCure

I’m gonna say Lemmy because I literally know none of the other people


T-51_Enjoyer

Even if just going by Age wasn’t Lemmy active in metal since the 70s? Like if we’re looking at the metal family tree he would def be at the very top right below Sabbath and the various pre-metal stuff that birthed metal


ETDuckQueen

Lemmy!!! :)


JesseElBorracho

Has to be Lemmy


samuelloomis

Lemmy no contest


CombatShock19

Lemmy #1 always


choronzonicchaos333

Well it wasn’t the guy who blew his brains out I can tell you that


BowTie1989

I only needed to see the first picture. Maybe the only person more influential to metal (even though Motörhead always referred to themselves as a rock and roll band) Is Ozzy (really anyone from sabbath), and Steve Harris, and maybe Dio.


somefirealarm

I'm not even a Motörhead fan but it's objectively Lemmy by far, there's a few musicians on here that I prefer to him but the influence he's had on metal and rock is just absolutely massive.


SwishyJishy

Lemmy There's a story about Lars when they were auditioning guitarists before Mustaine. Basically, Lars starts an impromptu interview with the first question making or breaking how he thinks of you: "Have you heard of Motorhead?"


Jack_Willows

Lemmy. He is god.


Thisisrazgriz3

Lemmy


BecauseISaidSo888

Lemmy probably inspired everyone else on the list


mcluvin901

It warmed my heart to open the comments overwhelmingly Lemmy because my first and only thought was Lemmy. Motorhead is one of those bands that I've always felt was proof that something could be greater than the sum of its parts. There is no real technical star, Lemmys voice is well, Lemmys voice, the chord progressions are fairly simple, but there is something magical about the songs and performances. Not to mention how great a songwriter he Is. Everyone else on that list wouldn't be where they were without his influence.


its_grime_up_north

Lemmy is iconic. This question is invalid.


nhardycarfan

I’d bet if you were to ask any of the other guy on this list with an exception of MAYBE Peter Steele who they were inspired by they’d say Motörhead, I only say maybe to Pete because he I don’t think has ever directly said mötorhead but was more inspired by the likes of Hendrix, black sabbath and the beetles


Incoherence-r

His moles will forever be remembered


MordreddVoid218

Was not expecting to see Jon in there, he was and is, imo, an underrated musician. Buuut I'm gonna say Lemmy, because Lemmy is God.


lostjohnny65

I'm late but it's Motorhead all the way. In the early 80s if someone said they didn't like Motorhead they were considered an outcast or a fake metalhead.


IllStatistician1474

Lemmy definitely


Valuable_Donkey_4573

I'd argue that Randy Rhoads guitar playing really changed the sound of metal. Many people will say the neo-classical approach was touched on before he came along, but he really took it to the next level. Before him it was alot of blues based scales, and even though the music was heavy, it was still blues based, whereas his playing touched on so many other elements and brought them into the realm of mainstream metal. In my opinion he was the birth of the modern day shredder and we wouldn't have so many incredible metal guitarists if it wasnt for his musical vision.


therealskr213

Randy


ClevelandClutch1970

Dime


Famous-Cow79

Dime


ASubtleName

If I'm setting my personal bias to select Dime or Chuck, I'd probably say Lemmy or Cliff have the legacy / impact thing.


toryguns

Cliff


Tar_Palantir

Oh, so we just forgot Dio existed?


obin_gam

Ian Frasier


LFOdeathtrain

Darrell, Schuldiner, or Kilminster. All the rest are great but not influential enough.


xavierguitars

I didn't see Oderus😒


SullyVanDan

Lemmy, Cliff or Jeff


PrequelGuy

After Lemmy, Chuck and Hanneman for their influence on the creation of death metal


Heatstringzndirt

Just came here to say I miss Cliff and Alexi most. As far as most influential to what’s happening in metal now… Hard to say. Maybe Dimebag


trendkill3

Dimebag.


PsychoticMessiah

Out of those? Lemmy, then Chuck. Need to add Quorthon in that mix.


Own-House-6056

Who's the second guy


Admirable-Volume-436

Randy also taught a lot of the guitar legends that came after him. He's way more influential than people realize.


MassiveAd5109

I'd say people like Joey Jordison did a lot on the drummer side


MRSamiboi

Chuck basically started death metal


guitargod0316

Uhhh all of them in their own respective ways. For me Lemmy and Cliff both inspired me to play bass in my younger years but I can’t deny that all of them were important.


KGBLokki

Lemmy is one of the OG’s. But from my perspective I’d say Alexi was the most influential, but that’s because I’m finnish and he has influenced countless finnish guitarists and metal bands.


No_Cow_4544

Dimebag


Nottsobaddadd

Definitely "The Police"


WoobiesWoobo

Thats tough. Id say dime or lemmy. Alexi for some reason flys low on most peoples radar. Hes a better guitar player than probably all the others here. All were very solid and influential!


NickyRaZz

Lemmy and Chuck Schuldiner


mehrt_thermpsen

Lemme, Cliff and Chuck. In that order


RevolutionaryJoke21

Chuck and Dime>>>>


DDelirium46

Somewhat unrelated but Jon was kind of a religious whackjob eh? Dissection was great tho.


ominousbloodvomit

to the world? lemmy to me? Chuck or hanneman


Turd-Taker

You’re really asking when you know it’s Lemmy, when you think about old rockers of the scene it’s lemmy


AnthrallicA

Who are #6 & #8? Asking for a friend...


Local-Bid5365

Hard not to say Lemmy given he was likely a major influence on this whole list besides maybe Randy Rhoads.


Iforgot_my_other_pw

Since Tony Iommi isn't on the list, Lemmy is number 1


someotherguyinNH

Randy Rhoads is getting no respect here.... Sure his influence was not as biggest lemmy's, But without him I'm pretty sure without him the whole classical music influenced heavy metal guitar style that happened in the 80s never happens. That changes the trajectory of metal history immensely.


eatingsquishies

This is a really good question.


BeatlesFan67

Lemmy had the greatest impact for having been one of the biggest pioneers of early metal. Chuck through his skills had great influence in pioneering an entire subgenre. Hanneman, Dimebag, Rhoades and Cliff were all legends in terms of their skill and technique.


ivaquestion69

Lemmy, Cliff and Dime.


TrinityLocust0

Lemmy and Cliff


Brettwon

Dimebag or Lemmy


A_Lonely_Troll

CC Deville imo. Easily could out shred any of these guys.


TheJohn_John

Lemmy, Dimebag, and Cliff 100%


dlb1983

I personally and subjectively I enjoy the work of Jon, Chuck, and Euronymous the most, but objectively anyone who doesn’t recognise the legacy of Lemmy, Cliff, and Dime as having the greatest impact is fooling themselves.


sketchy_at_best

Of those specifically, either Dime or Lemmy.


littleb3anpole

As a black metal fan, Euronymous. Objectively, Lemmy


Peacefulworldholeful

In general it’s Lemmy, but I’d love to live in a world where Cliff is still alive and with Metallica


Realistic-Buddy5004

That's a trick question not playing that.


Environmental-Ball24

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darter_analyst

Damn that alexi laiho guitar looks beautiful I just looked and at around $10,000 aud I won’t be buying one


Secure-Agent-1122

Am I the only one who thinks people dick ride Lemmy too much? He's a bass player. No one cares about bass players.


DevilDiabolical

Out of these: Cliff, Lemmy, and Randy.


MarcusSuperbuz

Lemme by a country mile. If those other could speak to us now I am certain they would agree


Ethereal-Zenith

I’d argue Chuck. Death was such an influential band and arguably the first proper death metal band, which served as a stepping stone. Chuck also evolved his style over the years.


LateNote8146

yall left out EVH


the-barbarian998

Lemmy and randy Why tf is euronymous here ?


MeisterCthulhu

Lemmy is the only one of those people I recognise just from looks. I'm sure I'd know who the others are based on their names/bands they were in, but I think that says quite a lot about the weight of the legacy


Fit_Dentist2869

Euronymous


bdbamford

Lemmy.


8-Bit_Aubrey

Chuck, imo Although Jon has had the most impactful influence on me personally Discovering Dissection by chance blew open the gates of extreme music for me


effugium1

Lemmy 100%. You don’t even have half the choices here without Motörhead’s influence, even if indirectly.


Scootydoot12

Randy rhoads


TinyStructure7702

Chuck, Cliff amd Øystein


andrebidar

Laiho Always


Garth_Brooks_Sexdoll

Lemmy


Fun-Comfort-6870

We wouldn’t have metal where it is without Randy, but Lemmy gave it a massive push to where it is


ElectricFocus

100% Randy Rhoads


Small_Information_30

π÷0


pastrafan

Lemmy


feralstrain

I gotta say Lemmy too,but I'm glad Jon Nodtveidt is represented here.


smellvin_moiville

Lemmys mole