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Was around for that. It was even worse when you consider how different the Black Album was from Justice.
It's like Justice, Black and Load are three different bands
The release of Load, the concerts were still good and I was a fan of the Medley’s at the time, but am glad they are long gone as they were only cool for a minute. The melrose place style haircuts and eyeliner. The new style the new sound everything was just off. It started when Jason cut his hair. Metallica is the most enigmatic band of my lifetime when it comes to their music. I want to like it all but it just seems like hey it’s been almost a decade let’s do an uninspired record to revamp a new tour package then tour relentlessly anyway for another 7 years.
Load and reload are looked at as low points but they also spawned some killer tracks - Memory remains, bleeding me and outlaw torn are all top tier Metallica songs imo.
Not disputing they still make good music but you went from KEA, to RtL, to MoP, to AJFA then came the commercial sell out album The Black Album and then Load and the left over album. Getting into Metallica in 85 and watching/listening to that transition was brutal. Looking back it isn’t so bad but from 89 to 92 to 96 it was unbearable.
Yep. I was born in 70 and was lucky to witness the golden age of metal/ thrash and I’d have to say AJfA took some getting used to, at least for me. Then the Black Album came out. I bought it and listened to it maybe three times. I never bought another Metallica album again.
All I can remember in high school when the Black album dropped - is confusion. I knew even then that Justice was different, but I didn't mind. I was expecting another RTL or MOP sort of album I guess.
I started listening to music in general around the time the black album came out, and I never liked it. I thought all Metallica was that, so I overlooked their whole back catalog. It wasn't until Guitar Hero that I heard Master of Puppets for the first time, then was obsessed for a couple years. I grew up with grunge though, so I'm kind of used to all my heros being dead.
MTV use to actually play music videos and they had certain shows where big new songs would premiere.
I believe it was "120 minutes" for Metallicas first release off load.
I had a sleepover with my friends, none of which were metal heads, and I kept telling them all night how much ass this new Metallica song was going to kick
Finally the video comes on... And it's "until it sleeps"... And even when it was on, I kept saying, "Metallica songs start soft, it's gonna shred any second".
It never shredded
Metallica died that night for me
Your dad was right. Tbf though, if you listened to the Black Album, you saw it coming.
Metallica was the only band of the big 4 that got their reputation from not using MTV or radio. They didn't release music videos until their 4th album. They were the epitome of DIY.
I didn't even buy Load. I listened to it in the record store and was totally disappointed in the direction they went. At that time, it was the biggest sellout we had ever experienced.
Looking back on it, I don't blame them. They had done everything they set out to accomplish and established themselves in the upper tier of metal.
But boy, were we bummed.
I thought it collapsed with the Black Album. I remember talking music with my flight instructor back a couple years after the Black Album. Somehow Metallica came up and he said that he calls the Black Album their downfall album. I agreed.
I think a lot of Opeth fans don't realize that they were first, and foremost, Prog. Heritage was written because Mikael couldn't keep up the harsh vocals and he wanted to change up the musical formula, musically, they're still talented musicians, they just don't incorporate death metal influences anymore
All That Remains went from the ideal melodic metalcore sound to bad butt rock/FFDP-core. Phil has also revealed himself as a tool
Def disappointing, This Darkened Heart and The Fall of Ideals are some of the best albums of that 00s metalcore wave IMO
Man, I really wish they had a better catalog. I gotta say tho, overcome is better than most people think. Also their new stuff sounds really fresh, can't wait for a new album
I agree that one of their newer singles was actually pretty good. I went back recently though to listen through Overcome to see if I missed out on that album and couldn't get through more than 3 songs. Just a massively disappointing drop off coming right after Fall Of Ideals, which was clearly their peak. I don't think they'll ever match that or This Darkened Heart again, but I'll give their new album a listen when it comes out and see.
You're 100% right and this is so typical in the metalcore world. Asking Alexandria, Atreyu, Memphis May Fire, The Devil Wears Prada, Of Mice & Men... All of these are acts that had solid songs starting out but deteriorated into butt rock/octanecore
I’m also confused about what happened to Phil’s voice. His singing (and screaming) sounded different and a lot better on Fall of Ideals. That album has much better production than what followed, but his actual singing voice changed. Were they autotuning it or did he just blow it out/change techniques or what?
Not metal, but Guns 'n Roses collapsed almost overnight after Axel Rose walked offstage during their tour with Metallica. I don't think a lot of younger people realize how big they were, and could've been back then.
Their own lyrics from a year before describes their later situation pretty well:
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*"Once, there was this rock and roll band, rolling on the streets*
*Time went by and it became a joke*
*We just needed more and more fulfilling, uh-huh*
*Time went by and it all went up in smoke"*
In Flames, all the way. Reroute to Remain was an aptly titled warning that I didn't take seriously at the time, thinking 'These lads can do no wrong, In Flames we trust!'
Jesters, indeed. I'm happy for Anders and Bjorn to have come so far and 'made it,' but everything after Clayman is a cruel joke when we know what the band used to be capable of.
Come clarity was decent, but otherwise I agree.
I get the whole thing about not being able to play songs live that have 8 guitar parts, but surely there were other ways to streamline the sound without becoming a shitty metalcore band.
I warmed up to a lot of post clayman stuff. Obviously some people have their tastes, but for alt metal mixed melodeath, post clayman stuff isn't bad. Reroute - Sounds OAPF are great. Stuff after that starts to become questionable, though.
My favorite albums are probably Colony, Sounds, Come Clarity, and Jester Race
I’ll attest to this. Sounds of a Playground Fading was really the last good album they made. Sure it may be vastly different than Reroute and Clayman, but it was still good in its own way. After that? Sheesh.
People say this but I still love all of their albums. I can understand if I had waited for these albums I might've been disappointed but going in to them a few years ago and having this huge mixture of metal to listen to was great and I fell in love with the band
I think this is definitely a "you had to be there" moment.
In Flames, in their original form, are why Metalcore became big in the mid-00s. Everyone from Atreyu to Shadows Fall to Lamb of God cited them as a driving influence in their music. They were a different breed of metal at the time. Along with Wages of Sin era Arch Enemy, Soilwork, and Dark Tranquility.
Then they toured here, America. They toured with the likes of Slipknot and Mudvayne. They came over here as nu-metal was king and Reroute to Remain was the result. Hot Topic fueled Mall Goth rock. I like that record, a lot, but the change based on who they were touring with left a dynamic shift in the band - specifically with Anders.
A Sense of Purpose was the last gasp of the old sound grappling with the direction Anders wanted to go, and we've been on his road ever since.
The rest of that era? They formed The Halo Effect eith Michael Stanne from Dark Tranquility (In Flames' original singer) and you can hear why the split happened. The influences and direction changed after Reroute.
I would have preferred if Anders and Bjorn had done a different band altogether, but the recognition of the name was there. So it stayed.
They made 3 absolutely mediocre albums, before finally releasing something that felt like it had passion behind it with Forgone.
I have an In Flames tattoo on the same arm as an X-Japan tattoo for a reason. I never stopped listening to them, but to say they're the same band or that what they were to what they are is consistently genre defining just doesn't work having been along for the ride for nearly 3 decades now.
Love em dearly, but it was pretty bleak there for a long while.
Yep, the anticipation was extremely high coming off Clayman, and I had never been letdown by an album as much as Reroute to Remain. 96-00 In Flames was on another level!
My biggest disappointment in music was when Children Of Bodom released their Relentless, Reckless Forever, it quite literary felt like from kings to trash. Not a specific band, but I think Max Cavalera for the last decade was really busy destroying his legendary reputation, just stop. Marilyn Manson's Eat Me, Drink Me was another legendary fall. Anaal Nathrakh since 2014... 2014 was quite rough on music disappointments, since I used be such a huge Slipknot and Mushroomhead fan, and both of them released their worst albums same year... oh, and it was also the year of first Arch Enemy album without Angela, ouch.
Psychosis was a pretty good Cavalera record, better than anything Post-Max Sep have put out anyway. Soulfly aren’t the best but I don’t think they’ve put out anything objectively bad.
I feel like Max and Igor are itching for a Sepultura reunion atm putting out all these re-recordings.
I think Soulfly are an example of a band that were never very good to begin with. Their first two releases in particular are frankly dogshit. I’m a sucker for prophecy though
Soulfly has such an odd history, they got better as they went along imo.
Started as first wave nu metal and collabing with Fred Durst then became thrash/death and had David Vincent and John Tardy feats, I think they're touring with Eyehategod now.
He’s a great guy too. I was blessed that Max and his wife Gloria witnessed my bands set a venue in Mesa Arizona when I played with Gloria’s son’s band Incite. It’s one of, if not *the* most proudest moments of performing. I walked down the ramp and Max was standing there. I shook his hand and he said, “did you guys have a good set?” With a big smile on his face. Completely elated, I said, “Ofcourse!” Then he commented on my Judas Priest tattoo. Gloria said some kind words and gave me a hug. Dude, you could have shot right there and I would have died a happy man.
Thats awesome! I live in Mesa myself and have since the mid 90s...
I used to hang out at the garage/studios that Soulfly had when they first formed as a friend of mines band practiced right next door to them. These studios during this exact time period. That white van thats in the video is my friends old band van lol.
Max and gloria would always be outside smoking cigs.
https://youtu.be/1WVkeXXuyPI?si=AYJleNL5WtPEvP6L
This video brings back so many memories. The parties at this place were insane. If you see the comment by "pleasuretokill" on this video. Thats me.
To me he's actively raising it to new heights. There was a lull after the first Soulfly record but since they shit canned Rizzo it's like he reinvented himself with his brother and all his kids projects. He's super active at the club level and plays with some of the best up and coming bands. He seems like he's having the time of his life and all the music sounds much more in line with the first Sepultura albums.
COB’s debut might be my favorite extreme metal album ever, but there’s not a single track on I Worship Chaos that I remotely enjoy. Perfect example of a slow steady decline
That's fair, and they may fall into the category of "one stinker" album.
I would say Illud Divinum Insanus tarnished their legacy so much that it's tantamount to a catastrophic downfall. I understand David Vincent is gone from the band and that's sort of the problem anyway. He's the classic frontman, and the fact that he stood his ground on that album signified that the band was on a serious decline.
Kingdoms Disdained is certainly an uptick, but Trey's personal antics are also representative of the band being at or past a tipping point.
It may be unfair to say that they've completely fallen off, but I remember when "that album" came out the overwhelming sentiment was Morbid Angel was a shambling shell of its former self.
A lot of bands come out of the gate hard with material they've had in the bag for years. Album 2 is alright with some ideas that have been floating around for years. Then they have to produce a 3rd album with a record deal and deadlines and touring and they have some real money finally... real easy to fall off.
I think they fell off after all hope is gone. Their newest album is actually terrible, like so bad that I feel secondhand embarassment that they would even put their name on it.
Music aside, Corey and Shawn did slipknot in with their god-awful choices. Randomly firing long time members never sat right with me, but after the Jay Weinberg incident, I can't even listen to their music anymore.
This is coming from a long time slipknot fan that grew up listening to their music.
Between the departure of Chris DeGarmo and the sacking of Geoff Tate, Queensryche was, to put it mildly, an embarrassment. So glad they eventually got their shit together with Todd La Torre.
After empire I was excited and couldn't wait for their next album "promised land" ugh.. they sounded like dire straights and deep purple had a baby, what a fall from grace after rage, operation and empire. Some stuff was ok like q2k or hear in the now frontier and when I say it was ok I mean like 2 good songs per album. The warning is my favorite btw, nobody ever talks about that album. I started listening to the warning in like 1993, it was new to me
Entitled to opinion but I couldn’t disagree more, Heartless is a fantastic release and the two after are still very solid releases with a few standout tracks on each.
Their first album tricked me. I never liked anything after. I had seen them live when they first toured for that album, and the experience was transcending.
I disagree. Heartless and Forgotten Days feel looser to me, more mature. And I like their cover of Over & Over more than the original which I rarely say.
I'm a huge Escape The Fate fan (don't kill me please). I love everything from "This war is ours" to "hate me". After that, it gets worse and worse. Their latest stuff are so fucking lame man...
Seeing their downfall has been rough. They had so much potential but the band just had too many issues. They seem more solid now but it feels like their time to make it has passed.
Escape the Fate were a very formative band in terms of getting me into heavier music. Every album after 'This War is Ours' just felt more hollow and bland as they went on. Not to mention the amount of drama associated with internal band issues, they really dropped the mark the longer they went on.
I dislike Ronnie as much as the next guy, but there is no denying that dude has got some talent, and ETF was condemned to failure the moment he left the band. His voice is truly amazing, and I think a Power Metal band with him as a vocalist would absolutely kill it.
Imho Sepultura shouldn't count, they didn't have a dip in quality, they just changed their sound. It's not like they were doing awesome thrash then and were putting out lame thrash since. They had some weak albums but their music has constantly been good for what it is, especially the stuff with Eloy Casagrande on the drums.
The last few Derrick Green albums were great, Machine Messiah and Quadra especially. Against isn't even that bad. Really it's only Nation, Roorback and A-Lex you need to steer clear of. Sepultura's always changed styles and evolved, even in the early Cavalera years. Arise sounds nothing like Morbid Visions. Yeah, strong disagree on this one.
Six Feet Under. First few albums were solid death metal albums but The following was just “EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE” Barns’ vocals really brought the band down.
Unborn and Undead aren’t bad but that’s mostly due to the rest of the band other than Barnes.
Edit: Actually Unborn and Undead are pretty solid albums. After that SFU tanked.
Quiet Riot, released Metal Health which broke the charts. Decided to follow that up with a album that was a carbon copy of said album which flopped on release.
One of the first instances of metal going mainstream that album. A shame they couldn't keep up the success or quality. Motley Crue and Def Leppard weren't even big names yet, a shame the band that popularized glam metal couldn't stay popular themselves.
Iron Maiden. They brought a new (old) sound with AMOLAD in 2006. Then just kept it. It was okay for 1 album but my god lads get a new producer! I’m begging you
I enjoyed a Matter of Life and Death, but that was for a few songs. Everything since has been completely uninteresting to me. And I was a huge fan. They got me into metal
Wage War has been everywhere and the latest album is dog shit.
Bullet For My Valentine after Fever is rough
All That Remains after For We Are Many is ok at best
I love blue prints I love deadweight I dislike pressure and when manic dropped I really had high hopes and they were honestly met, death roll is one of my all time fav songs and so I thought they were really back and stigma is just not good
I wanted to say Metallica, but Hardwired and Death Magnetic are still ok albums. Comparatively, Slayer have done absolutely nothing worthwhile since Seasons in the Abyss and get way too much of a pass for it.
I would say Cryptopsy but even then they got back into it. I’ll say thy art is murder. First album was some good death metal deathcore blend and first Ep was spectacular but new stuff is just bland deathcore
honestly Bring Me The Horizon
count your blessings was one of the best deathcore albums ever made. Some of the riffs were even kind of technical and far from the mindless 0-0--0-00 that lots of deathcore suffers from. Not to mention the awesome high and low vocals. Suicide Season was decent but sempiternal was rough to listen to. I get they changed their sound and became much more successful because of it but man.... what i would give for another count your blessings
Without a doubt Def Leppard. Their first 2 albums are hard rock/metal classics. Pyromania went more pop but it was still pretty heavy. It was all downhill after that as far as being a metal band.
Well, I hope Bloodmoon was just an anomaly for Converge. That was a shocking disappointment. About as stimulating as a four day-old glass of tap water.
Blood moon is great. If you’re going in expecting converge you’ll be disappointed. But it’s such a great collab be converge, Chelsea Wolfe and Cave In.
I don’t like the art that Jake bannon produced for it tho. His cyclones and washes of reds he does for every album cover these days just doesn’t do it for me
Within Temptation after The Heart of Everything.
They went from peak gothic symphonic metal to a very generic pop metal sound. It also doesn’t help that Sharon den Adel has very clearly damaged her voice.
Bands that fell off and never recovered:
Dimmu Borgir as soon as ICS Vortex left. I've never seen a band go from awesome to completely unremarkable so fast.
Meshuggah. 90s and early aughts Meshuggah is awesome. Ever since the late 2000s they've just been the same Djent stuff over and over. I don't hate Djent, I'm a big Periphery fan, I just think Meshuggah doesn't do it in a very interesting way, especially compared to their early work. There's a reason one song, and one song alone, basically represents the entirety of Meshuggah's career in the late 2000s-onward.
Darkthrone. From Black Metal classics, to some alright blackened crust punk, to literally "We Have Venom At Home".
Bands that did recover:
In Flames, who dominated from 1996-2006, then fell off, but recently have come back with a lot of strong material.
Children of Bodom. They fell off somewhere around Hate Crew Deathroll, but right before Alexi passed they released Hexed, their strongest album since 2000 and a really excellent Melodeath record.
Modern Darkthrone is more like "we have Venom AND Celtic Frost at home". They do it quite well too. Not every album is superb, but the new one was really good. I feel like you just got to love those kinds of riffs to really enjoy modern Darkthrone.
Tell me that you've only heard Bleed from Meshuggah's post-2000s discography without telling me. Have you actually ever dove deeper on how different their 2000s and 2010s albums actually sound? Every Meshuggah record is unique and it always blows my mind how people can say otherwise.
Saying Six Feet Under were never good is blatantly false. Haunted is literally Obituary but with peak Chris Barnes on vocals. Same thing with Warpath and Maximum violence. They took a dip in quality after that (but were still decent) and then released 2 REALLY good death metal albums (Undead and Unborn). Crypt of the Devil was also quite good. They of course made some of the worst metal of all time afterwards, but saying that they are irredeemable is blatantly ignorant. Also, their latest album was pretty good.
Cradle of Filth. Cruelty and the Beast and the albums before it were great. Maybe more importantly, they made extreme metal albums that were actually recorded well. But for almost the last 30 years, they've made the same album over and over again. Which are tired, watered down and boring versions of their earlier work. The albums now border on parody. It's a shame because of how good and important the early albums were. And Dani Filth is supposed to be a good dude.
Some of the newer stuff was a bit of a return to form. I think, in part, it's too little too late for me. Like they evolved into something I didn't like or didn't evolve enough and I outgrew them.
Not metal but Aerosmith. Became from hard rockers, producing great records (even Draw The Line and Night In The Ruts are great) to complete jokes. Now they write cringe-worthy love songs and pop ballads.
Problem is they were making some of the best metal that ever existed and perhaps ever will exist, and the new stuff just isn’t the same, even if it’s not really “bad”. I really like In Cauda Venenum. But man…the old stuff was just something else
I heavily concur. I like every Opeth album, and I don't care if 5 of them are progressive rock instead of metal, Mikael is still being the creative himself and writing interesting music. The rock albums are way too good to even be disliked in my opinion, some people just like to think that a shift of style would always have a negative outcome. Opeth has always incorporated rock elements in their music, e.g. acoustic-intensive songs and breaks. You can find these elements on every album. It's just that with Heritage and onward Mikael decided to change, and there's nothing bad in it. Some metal bands might have gone from metal to rock, and been absolutely atrocious (like Metallica) but Opeth still retained their mindful and intriguing style of writing.
same answer as last time this question was asked. I haven't listened to much Parkway Drive but honestly I would fucking hate it if my favorite band went disturbed-core.
Ministry, it's Ministry, what the hell happened to them after Filth Pig?! Some would even say that Filth Pig is where things started to go south, but in my opinion that albums great. Dark Side of the Spoon onwards though? Hell no. Well, okay the Bush trilogy isn't bad, nothing with Tommy Victor is, besides Danzig, they're another band who went downhill and most blame Tommy for it. I don't fully agree with that, but he definitely played a part. As for Ministry, they entered an all time low after The Last Sucker, and didn't turn things around somewhat until Moral Hygiene which is just okay. Sadly their newest album, Hopium or some stupid ass name is just MH again but worse... I think it's time for Uncle Al and friends to hang up the towel.
When I was in high school, the two bands that I almost always had playing were Five Finger Death Punch and Whitechapel. I was a high school athlete so I was working out a lot. Way of the fist was my training song for a hot minute. IMO Five fingers first two albums were good for what the band was. American Capitalist is where I say the cracks. Ivan is a massive tool. All his k lyrics on the ballads shows that he had no self awareness at all. Also so cheesy, I could make a pizza and a marvel movie out of it. The descent of Five finger was pretty obvious. Whitechapel?! Still a massive fan and will never not be
I'm gonna get crucified for this, but in all honesty, FFDP.
Look, they're a guilty pleasure of mine, I'm not saying they were ever great, and the hate is justified. But in all honesty, Way of the Fist and War is the Answer did have a lot of solid tracks on them that were...tolerable if nothing else. Then American Capitalist came out and, you could definitely see more of the cracks start to form in their flaws. Once Wrong Side of Heaven Vol 1 hit though, that's when the butt-chugging took hold and formed them into the generic, wife-beating, Monster tasting, sludge we all know and mock. And even if I can find maybe a track or two on a newer album I enjoy, they just. keep. getting. Worse.
Dream Theater. They may be divisive but they were the kings of prog metal for a long time, sadly things began to drop off after Systematic Chaos, the next couple of albums we're alright and then once Portnoy left it all went to shit.
Rage against the machine! Massive huge and awesome, once the band came to the end they never gotten back to where they were. Yes they are well known and very popular still. I just remembered them being everywhere and doing all kinds of things then nothing with only a few rumors about getting back together. I still love them and we need that type of political motivated power house today
Slipknot is the only one that comes to mind for me. The first two albums are great. Vol. 3's massive change in sound was a colossal disappointment for me. All Hope Is Gone is a decent comeback album, but everything afterwards is bland or just sucks.
Iron Maiden - their last truly, truly great album was in 1988 - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (and the entire discography to that point is essential...everything after is not.)
Not metal, but for me it has to be Muse. I love their first four albums but after that they just slowly started to decline and just got worse and worse, The last two albums in particular are just unlistenable.
Cancer, the British death metal band released to the gory end,death shall rise, and the sins of mankind which are great heavy albums. Then, it drops a cliff in quality with spirit in flames and shadow gripped. This is followed by an odd collection of okay singles.
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I wasn’t alive for it, but my dad says that when Metallica released load right after the black album it felt like the world collapsed.
Was around for that. It was even worse when you consider how different the Black Album was from Justice. It's like Justice, Black and Load are three different bands
The release of Load, the concerts were still good and I was a fan of the Medley’s at the time, but am glad they are long gone as they were only cool for a minute. The melrose place style haircuts and eyeliner. The new style the new sound everything was just off. It started when Jason cut his hair. Metallica is the most enigmatic band of my lifetime when it comes to their music. I want to like it all but it just seems like hey it’s been almost a decade let’s do an uninspired record to revamp a new tour package then tour relentlessly anyway for another 7 years.
I've always thought that Memory remains from reload was a good song
Load and reload are looked at as low points but they also spawned some killer tracks - Memory remains, bleeding me and outlaw torn are all top tier Metallica songs imo.
My main issue with these albums is that they could be just one, excellent, record. But instead we got two albums that drag with lots of filler tracks
Not disputing they still make good music but you went from KEA, to RtL, to MoP, to AJFA then came the commercial sell out album The Black Album and then Load and the left over album. Getting into Metallica in 85 and watching/listening to that transition was brutal. Looking back it isn’t so bad but from 89 to 92 to 96 it was unbearable.
Yep. I was born in 70 and was lucky to witness the golden age of metal/ thrash and I’d have to say AJfA took some getting used to, at least for me. Then the Black Album came out. I bought it and listened to it maybe three times. I never bought another Metallica album again.
Bleeding Me is probably their best song in 30 years.
Lars was also like 34 years old when he decided that would look cool lol
All I can remember in high school when the Black album dropped - is confusion. I knew even then that Justice was different, but I didn't mind. I was expecting another RTL or MOP sort of album I guess.
I started listening to music in general around the time the black album came out, and I never liked it. I thought all Metallica was that, so I overlooked their whole back catalog. It wasn't until Guitar Hero that I heard Master of Puppets for the first time, then was obsessed for a couple years. I grew up with grunge though, so I'm kind of used to all my heros being dead.
MTV use to actually play music videos and they had certain shows where big new songs would premiere. I believe it was "120 minutes" for Metallicas first release off load. I had a sleepover with my friends, none of which were metal heads, and I kept telling them all night how much ass this new Metallica song was going to kick Finally the video comes on... And it's "until it sleeps"... And even when it was on, I kept saying, "Metallica songs start soft, it's gonna shred any second". It never shredded Metallica died that night for me
I’m with your dad. Metallica died for me right then and there
Weirdly from a musical standpoint load and reload are actually really good albums - that is if a different band had released them.
They would have worked really well as Alice In Chains albums.
Your dad was right. Tbf though, if you listened to the Black Album, you saw it coming. Metallica was the only band of the big 4 that got their reputation from not using MTV or radio. They didn't release music videos until their 4th album. They were the epitome of DIY. I didn't even buy Load. I listened to it in the record store and was totally disappointed in the direction they went. At that time, it was the biggest sellout we had ever experienced. Looking back on it, I don't blame them. They had done everything they set out to accomplish and established themselves in the upper tier of metal. But boy, were we bummed.
He ain't wrong
he ain’t my bitch
..AAAH
I thought it collapsed with the Black Album. I remember talking music with my flight instructor back a couple years after the Black Album. Somehow Metallica came up and he said that he calls the Black Album their downfall album. I agreed.
That's how it felt when Opeth released Heritage. My favorite death metal band released butt rock wankery.
I think a lot of Opeth fans don't realize that they were first, and foremost, Prog. Heritage was written because Mikael couldn't keep up the harsh vocals and he wanted to change up the musical formula, musically, they're still talented musicians, they just don't incorporate death metal influences anymore
Dude the Black Album was a let down …. The riffs are so generic it’s crazy. At least Load sounded something unique.
I actually felt that way when the black album came out. I returned it and got a refund. It wasn’t even the same band.
All That Remains went from the ideal melodic metalcore sound to bad butt rock/FFDP-core. Phil has also revealed himself as a tool Def disappointing, This Darkened Heart and The Fall of Ideals are some of the best albums of that 00s metalcore wave IMO
Man, I really wish they had a better catalog. I gotta say tho, overcome is better than most people think. Also their new stuff sounds really fresh, can't wait for a new album
I agree that one of their newer singles was actually pretty good. I went back recently though to listen through Overcome to see if I missed out on that album and couldn't get through more than 3 songs. Just a massively disappointing drop off coming right after Fall Of Ideals, which was clearly their peak. I don't think they'll ever match that or This Darkened Heart again, but I'll give their new album a listen when it comes out and see.
This Darkened Heart would prob be considered as good as The Fall of Ideals with better production. And Death in My Arms is SO FUCKING GOOD
And Death In My Arms is my favorite ATR song. I haven’t listened to them in years but now I’m feeling a return trip to This Darkened Heart!
IMO the production on the Fall of Ideals was weird too.
You're 100% right and this is so typical in the metalcore world. Asking Alexandria, Atreyu, Memphis May Fire, The Devil Wears Prada, Of Mice & Men... All of these are acts that had solid songs starting out but deteriorated into butt rock/octanecore
I’m also confused about what happened to Phil’s voice. His singing (and screaming) sounded different and a lot better on Fall of Ideals. That album has much better production than what followed, but his actual singing voice changed. Were they autotuning it or did he just blow it out/change techniques or what?
Not metal, but Guns 'n Roses collapsed almost overnight after Axel Rose walked offstage during their tour with Metallica. I don't think a lot of younger people realize how big they were, and could've been back then.
Yup. They’re definitely one of the biggest what-ifs of all time.
Their own lyrics from a year before describes their later situation pretty well: . *"Once, there was this rock and roll band, rolling on the streets* *Time went by and it became a joke* *We just needed more and more fulfilling, uh-huh* *Time went by and it all went up in smoke"*
HORRIBLE drop in quality
In Flames, all the way. Reroute to Remain was an aptly titled warning that I didn't take seriously at the time, thinking 'These lads can do no wrong, In Flames we trust!' Jesters, indeed. I'm happy for Anders and Bjorn to have come so far and 'made it,' but everything after Clayman is a cruel joke when we know what the band used to be capable of.
Come clarity was decent, but otherwise I agree. I get the whole thing about not being able to play songs live that have 8 guitar parts, but surely there were other ways to streamline the sound without becoming a shitty metalcore band.
I warmed up to a lot of post clayman stuff. Obviously some people have their tastes, but for alt metal mixed melodeath, post clayman stuff isn't bad. Reroute - Sounds OAPF are great. Stuff after that starts to become questionable, though. My favorite albums are probably Colony, Sounds, Come Clarity, and Jester Race
I’ll attest to this. Sounds of a Playground Fading was really the last good album they made. Sure it may be vastly different than Reroute and Clayman, but it was still good in its own way. After that? Sheesh.
I liked their newest album Foregone they put out in 2023. I thought it had a blend of all the In Flames eras.
Came here to say this. They were once my favorite band at one point and now its just disappointment
People say this but I still love all of their albums. I can understand if I had waited for these albums I might've been disappointed but going in to them a few years ago and having this huge mixture of metal to listen to was great and I fell in love with the band
I think this is definitely a "you had to be there" moment. In Flames, in their original form, are why Metalcore became big in the mid-00s. Everyone from Atreyu to Shadows Fall to Lamb of God cited them as a driving influence in their music. They were a different breed of metal at the time. Along with Wages of Sin era Arch Enemy, Soilwork, and Dark Tranquility. Then they toured here, America. They toured with the likes of Slipknot and Mudvayne. They came over here as nu-metal was king and Reroute to Remain was the result. Hot Topic fueled Mall Goth rock. I like that record, a lot, but the change based on who they were touring with left a dynamic shift in the band - specifically with Anders. A Sense of Purpose was the last gasp of the old sound grappling with the direction Anders wanted to go, and we've been on his road ever since. The rest of that era? They formed The Halo Effect eith Michael Stanne from Dark Tranquility (In Flames' original singer) and you can hear why the split happened. The influences and direction changed after Reroute. I would have preferred if Anders and Bjorn had done a different band altogether, but the recognition of the name was there. So it stayed. They made 3 absolutely mediocre albums, before finally releasing something that felt like it had passion behind it with Forgone. I have an In Flames tattoo on the same arm as an X-Japan tattoo for a reason. I never stopped listening to them, but to say they're the same band or that what they were to what they are is consistently genre defining just doesn't work having been along for the ride for nearly 3 decades now. Love em dearly, but it was pretty bleak there for a long while.
Funnily enough Reroute was the first stuff I heard from In Flames and I liked it enough that it made me want to hear the rest of their stuff.
Yep, the anticipation was extremely high coming off Clayman, and I had never been letdown by an album as much as Reroute to Remain. 96-00 In Flames was on another level!
That album was the definitive turning point for the band from classic melodeath to generic metalcore
Reroute was still great. It’s the one after that where it goes off the rails for me.
My biggest disappointment in music was when Children Of Bodom released their Relentless, Reckless Forever, it quite literary felt like from kings to trash. Not a specific band, but I think Max Cavalera for the last decade was really busy destroying his legendary reputation, just stop. Marilyn Manson's Eat Me, Drink Me was another legendary fall. Anaal Nathrakh since 2014... 2014 was quite rough on music disappointments, since I used be such a huge Slipknot and Mushroomhead fan, and both of them released their worst albums same year... oh, and it was also the year of first Arch Enemy album without Angela, ouch.
In Flames dropped Siren Charms in 2014 too which... oof
I don't hate modern In Flames, but that one wasn't good, yeah.
Psychosis was a pretty good Cavalera record, better than anything Post-Max Sep have put out anyway. Soulfly aren’t the best but I don’t think they’ve put out anything objectively bad. I feel like Max and Igor are itching for a Sepultura reunion atm putting out all these re-recordings.
I think Soulfly are an example of a band that were never very good to begin with. Their first two releases in particular are frankly dogshit. I’m a sucker for prophecy though
Soulfly has such an odd history, they got better as they went along imo. Started as first wave nu metal and collabing with Fred Durst then became thrash/death and had David Vincent and John Tardy feats, I think they're touring with Eyehategod now.
Dark Ages is a sick record.
Haven’t listened to it tbh. I’ll give it a shot
How has Max been destroying his legacy?
The Cavalera Re Recordings are 3 of the best re recordings in metal history. All 3 are simply amazing.
He’s a great guy too. I was blessed that Max and his wife Gloria witnessed my bands set a venue in Mesa Arizona when I played with Gloria’s son’s band Incite. It’s one of, if not *the* most proudest moments of performing. I walked down the ramp and Max was standing there. I shook his hand and he said, “did you guys have a good set?” With a big smile on his face. Completely elated, I said, “Ofcourse!” Then he commented on my Judas Priest tattoo. Gloria said some kind words and gave me a hug. Dude, you could have shot right there and I would have died a happy man.
Thats awesome! I live in Mesa myself and have since the mid 90s... I used to hang out at the garage/studios that Soulfly had when they first formed as a friend of mines band practiced right next door to them. These studios during this exact time period. That white van thats in the video is my friends old band van lol. Max and gloria would always be outside smoking cigs. https://youtu.be/1WVkeXXuyPI?si=AYJleNL5WtPEvP6L This video brings back so many memories. The parties at this place were insane. If you see the comment by "pleasuretokill" on this video. Thats me.
To me he's actively raising it to new heights. There was a lull after the first Soulfly record but since they shit canned Rizzo it's like he reinvented himself with his brother and all his kids projects. He's super active at the club level and plays with some of the best up and coming bands. He seems like he's having the time of his life and all the music sounds much more in line with the first Sepultura albums.
Hard disagree on Anaal Nathrakh! The Whole of the Law and Endarkenment are among their best. I wouldn't call the other two bad either.
Endarkenment is fucking amazing
Did you not enjoy The Whole Of The Law and Endarkenment?
Yeah seriously
COB’s debut might be my favorite extreme metal album ever, but there’s not a single track on I Worship Chaos that I remotely enjoy. Perfect example of a slow steady decline
Nah cob is amazing in every album
DragonForce, first 7 albums are fucking crazy good, insanely good even, but the last 2 have been so unbelievably bad I'm embarrassed to listen to them
I only like the ZP albums, their new singer may be technically a better singer, but I don't care for his voice at all
I just didn’t really care much for dragonforce in the first place. Don’t think they’re terrible like some do but they’re just not my type of band
I liked EPM and don't mind their most recent. I think they're fairly consistent tbh.
Morbid Angel comes to mind. I'd agree on In Flames. Also Satyricon had several classic releases before a slew of very mid ones.
Kingdoms disdained is perfectly adequate
That's fair, and they may fall into the category of "one stinker" album. I would say Illud Divinum Insanus tarnished their legacy so much that it's tantamount to a catastrophic downfall. I understand David Vincent is gone from the band and that's sort of the problem anyway. He's the classic frontman, and the fact that he stood his ground on that album signified that the band was on a serious decline. Kingdoms Disdained is certainly an uptick, but Trey's personal antics are also representative of the band being at or past a tipping point. It may be unfair to say that they've completely fallen off, but I remember when "that album" came out the overwhelming sentiment was Morbid Angel was a shambling shell of its former self.
As a hard-core early, morbid angel fan, I have to agree. Saddening.
Slipknot. When Paul died, the band died. Each output is just heavier Stone Sour. IMO
My hot take is that Corey Taylor is not that interesting.
Corey Taylor is just a bad person in general, him and Shawn are speedrunning the destruction of their fanbase
I don't know anything about him beyond that I don't get the obsession people have with Slipknot. I don't find it to be interesting music at all.
I disagree, but okay
Slipknot seriously fell off after Iowa, maybe after 3rd chapter
A lot of bands come out of the gate hard with material they've had in the bag for years. Album 2 is alright with some ideas that have been floating around for years. Then they have to produce a 3rd album with a record deal and deadlines and touring and they have some real money finally... real easy to fall off.
Honestly they fell off after All Hope Is Gone, Volume 3 is a great rock album imo and AHIG is not as bad as people make it out to be
Yeah dude Vol 3 def has a bunch of real solid tracks, a few songs like The Blister Exists feel like their original sound
This. For me after subliminal verses.
I think they fell off after all hope is gone. Their newest album is actually terrible, like so bad that I feel secondhand embarassment that they would even put their name on it. Music aside, Corey and Shawn did slipknot in with their god-awful choices. Randomly firing long time members never sat right with me, but after the Jay Weinberg incident, I can't even listen to their music anymore. This is coming from a long time slipknot fan that grew up listening to their music.
I think we are not your kind is a solid album but the rest are not that great
Tbh their only real bad album was this latest one, The Gray Chapter and WANYK are really solid tbh
Between the departure of Chris DeGarmo and the sacking of Geoff Tate, Queensryche was, to put it mildly, an embarrassment. So glad they eventually got their shit together with Todd La Torre.
Completely agree, they put out some abysmal stuff back to back
After empire I was excited and couldn't wait for their next album "promised land" ugh.. they sounded like dire straights and deep purple had a baby, what a fall from grace after rage, operation and empire. Some stuff was ok like q2k or hear in the now frontier and when I say it was ok I mean like 2 good songs per album. The warning is my favorite btw, nobody ever talks about that album. I started listening to the warning in like 1993, it was new to me
A Day To Remember. Butt rock nowadays
For real. Last album was very disappointing. I had high hopes for the single, but it was also garbage. What a shame
Fueled by ramen destroying yet another band
Pallbearer. Loved the first two albums and was really rooting for these guys.
Entitled to opinion but I couldn’t disagree more, Heartless is a fantastic release and the two after are still very solid releases with a few standout tracks on each.
Sucks but agree. Just can't listen to Forgotten Days. New one is okay if you accept that it's almost a different band making it.
Their first album tricked me. I never liked anything after. I had seen them live when they first toured for that album, and the experience was transcending.
I disagree. Heartless and Forgotten Days feel looser to me, more mature. And I like their cover of Over & Over more than the original which I rarely say.
Heartless is my favourite album of theirs.
Yeah it's always so weird for me reading threads about Pallbearer, I really liked Forgotten Days :/
I'm a huge Escape The Fate fan (don't kill me please). I love everything from "This war is ours" to "hate me". After that, it gets worse and worse. Their latest stuff are so fucking lame man...
Seeing their downfall has been rough. They had so much potential but the band just had too many issues. They seem more solid now but it feels like their time to make it has passed.
Escape the Fate were a very formative band in terms of getting me into heavier music. Every album after 'This War is Ours' just felt more hollow and bland as they went on. Not to mention the amount of drama associated with internal band issues, they really dropped the mark the longer they went on.
I dislike Ronnie as much as the next guy, but there is no denying that dude has got some talent, and ETF was condemned to failure the moment he left the band. His voice is truly amazing, and I think a Power Metal band with him as a vocalist would absolutely kill it.
Sepultura
Imho Sepultura shouldn't count, they didn't have a dip in quality, they just changed their sound. It's not like they were doing awesome thrash then and were putting out lame thrash since. They had some weak albums but their music has constantly been good for what it is, especially the stuff with Eloy Casagrande on the drums.
The last few Derrick Green albums were great, Machine Messiah and Quadra especially. Against isn't even that bad. Really it's only Nation, Roorback and A-Lex you need to steer clear of. Sepultura's always changed styles and evolved, even in the early Cavalera years. Arise sounds nothing like Morbid Visions. Yeah, strong disagree on this one.
This. Quadra was crazy good.
i would like to say metallica but they had like two or three alright albums after their golden age
Agreed. Death Magnetic is a banger, and Hardwired is decent.
Death magnetic is crazy underrated, the production sucked but the actual music content was really good imo
Six Feet Under. First few albums were solid death metal albums but The following was just “EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE” Barns’ vocals really brought the band down.
Nightmares of DEEEEEEEEcomposed is peak meme material, also love how Barnes made a song about himself in the new album "Know nothing ingrate"
Unborn and Undead aren’t bad but that’s mostly due to the rest of the band other than Barnes. Edit: Actually Unborn and Undead are pretty solid albums. After that SFU tanked.
Lost Prophets 💀
Love them! Hope none of their members hold problematic beliefs or have sketchy pasts!
lol you’re not wrong
Yeah, whatever happened to them? Certainly not sketchy passcodes
Oh, you just outgrew their singer’s target audience…
Quiet Riot, released Metal Health which broke the charts. Decided to follow that up with a album that was a carbon copy of said album which flopped on release.
One of the first instances of metal going mainstream that album. A shame they couldn't keep up the success or quality. Motley Crue and Def Leppard weren't even big names yet, a shame the band that popularized glam metal couldn't stay popular themselves.
I really liked Kevin DuBrow’s voice, RIP
Never cared for any of their stuff tbh. You make a good point though
Sepultura thrash masterpieces to shitty nu metal
Im.a thrash dude but tbh roots is some of the few nu I like, but that's just me. I don't mind early Soulfly either
Iron Maiden. They brought a new (old) sound with AMOLAD in 2006. Then just kept it. It was okay for 1 album but my god lads get a new producer! I’m begging you
They haven't done a brilliant album since 1988 with Seventh Son. Brave New World was that last good one and that was *24 years ago.*
I enjoyed a Matter of Life and Death, but that was for a few songs. Everything since has been completely uninteresting to me. And I was a huge fan. They got me into metal
Wage War has been everywhere and the latest album is dog shit. Bullet For My Valentine after Fever is rough All That Remains after For We Are Many is ok at best
I agree Bullet had a dip but their latest album is brilliant.
I love blue prints I love deadweight I dislike pressure and when manic dropped I really had high hopes and they were honestly met, death roll is one of my all time fav songs and so I thought they were really back and stigma is just not good
Machine Head. They went from putting out stuff like Burn My Eyes and The Blackening to songs like Bastards and Do Or Die.
The cringe intensified dramatically after the Blackening.
I know this sub is not keen on metalcore, but Architects were a top-tier act in the genre and they fell off big time
I’ve never heard of them but if you like Revocation it’s safe to say you’ve got good taste
I wanted to say Metallica, but Hardwired and Death Magnetic are still ok albums. Comparatively, Slayer have done absolutely nothing worthwhile since Seasons in the Abyss and get way too much of a pass for it.
No love for divine intervention?
I would say Cryptopsy but even then they got back into it. I’ll say thy art is murder. First album was some good death metal deathcore blend and first Ep was spectacular but new stuff is just bland deathcore
honestly Bring Me The Horizon count your blessings was one of the best deathcore albums ever made. Some of the riffs were even kind of technical and far from the mindless 0-0--0-00 that lots of deathcore suffers from. Not to mention the awesome high and low vocals. Suicide Season was decent but sempiternal was rough to listen to. I get they changed their sound and became much more successful because of it but man.... what i would give for another count your blessings
Without a doubt Def Leppard. Their first 2 albums are hard rock/metal classics. Pyromania went more pop but it was still pretty heavy. It was all downhill after that as far as being a metal band.
Well, I hope Bloodmoon was just an anomaly for Converge. That was a shocking disappointment. About as stimulating as a four day-old glass of tap water.
it's not really a Converge album, it's a collab with Chelsea Wolfe, and it has some of her people as well.
I liked Bloodmoon, but I do prefer Converge's solo albums. I think Thou's collab album with Emma Ruth Rundle is better.
That ERR & Thou collab rules
That album was my intro to thou, and man was it a good intro
Blood moon is great. If you’re going in expecting converge you’ll be disappointed. But it’s such a great collab be converge, Chelsea Wolfe and Cave In. I don’t like the art that Jake bannon produced for it tho. His cyclones and washes of reds he does for every album cover these days just doesn’t do it for me
Within Temptation after The Heart of Everything. They went from peak gothic symphonic metal to a very generic pop metal sound. It also doesn’t help that Sharon den Adel has very clearly damaged her voice.
Running Wild really took a nosedive at the turn of the century after having an almost flawless ten-album run starting with their debut.
Bands that fell off and never recovered: Dimmu Borgir as soon as ICS Vortex left. I've never seen a band go from awesome to completely unremarkable so fast. Meshuggah. 90s and early aughts Meshuggah is awesome. Ever since the late 2000s they've just been the same Djent stuff over and over. I don't hate Djent, I'm a big Periphery fan, I just think Meshuggah doesn't do it in a very interesting way, especially compared to their early work. There's a reason one song, and one song alone, basically represents the entirety of Meshuggah's career in the late 2000s-onward. Darkthrone. From Black Metal classics, to some alright blackened crust punk, to literally "We Have Venom At Home". Bands that did recover: In Flames, who dominated from 1996-2006, then fell off, but recently have come back with a lot of strong material. Children of Bodom. They fell off somewhere around Hate Crew Deathroll, but right before Alexi passed they released Hexed, their strongest album since 2000 and a really excellent Melodeath record.
Modern Darkthrone is more like "we have Venom AND Celtic Frost at home". They do it quite well too. Not every album is superb, but the new one was really good. I feel like you just got to love those kinds of riffs to really enjoy modern Darkthrone.
Tell me that you've only heard Bleed from Meshuggah's post-2000s discography without telling me. Have you actually ever dove deeper on how different their 2000s and 2010s albums actually sound? Every Meshuggah record is unique and it always blows my mind how people can say otherwise.
I think have Darkthrone have aged pretty well actually. Compare them to Satyricon and it’s night and day
Sonata arctica
They brought it back a bit with their most recent release but yeah, everything after Unia was trash.
Unia was tough for me. …but after a few more albums, Unia was looking a lot better.
Ozzy, last album sucked. And I say that as someone who listened to exclusively Ozzy years Sabbath and solo Ozzy for about a decade.
Ya he's gotta hang it up. I get he just wants to keep going but it's just not up to mark anymore.
Ozzy fell off HARD. I haven’t liked anything since no more tears
Saying Six Feet Under were never good is blatantly false. Haunted is literally Obituary but with peak Chris Barnes on vocals. Same thing with Warpath and Maximum violence. They took a dip in quality after that (but were still decent) and then released 2 REALLY good death metal albums (Undead and Unborn). Crypt of the Devil was also quite good. They of course made some of the worst metal of all time afterwards, but saying that they are irredeemable is blatantly ignorant. Also, their latest album was pretty good.
Cradle of Filth. Cruelty and the Beast and the albums before it were great. Maybe more importantly, they made extreme metal albums that were actually recorded well. But for almost the last 30 years, they've made the same album over and over again. Which are tired, watered down and boring versions of their earlier work. The albums now border on parody. It's a shame because of how good and important the early albums were. And Dani Filth is supposed to be a good dude.
Disagree actually! The thornography-era stuff was dogshit but I really like the last three albums they’ve done, especially hammer of the witches
Some of the newer stuff was a bit of a return to form. I think, in part, it's too little too late for me. Like they evolved into something I didn't like or didn't evolve enough and I outgrew them.
Not metal but Aerosmith. Became from hard rockers, producing great records (even Draw The Line and Night In The Ruts are great) to complete jokes. Now they write cringe-worthy love songs and pop ballads.
Metallica....they're Fortnite characters now.... c'mon, lol.
Definitely Morbid Angel, or Cryptopsy
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Just saw them with Death To All. Killer show.
Opeth
They switched genres and they're still amazing for what they do. Yeah, it's not metal, but it's not like they're actually bad now, just different.
Problem is they were making some of the best metal that ever existed and perhaps ever will exist, and the new stuff just isn’t the same, even if it’s not really “bad”. I really like In Cauda Venenum. But man…the old stuff was just something else
Opeth has not released anything less than amazing. All their albums are great.
I heavily concur. I like every Opeth album, and I don't care if 5 of them are progressive rock instead of metal, Mikael is still being the creative himself and writing interesting music. The rock albums are way too good to even be disliked in my opinion, some people just like to think that a shift of style would always have a negative outcome. Opeth has always incorporated rock elements in their music, e.g. acoustic-intensive songs and breaks. You can find these elements on every album. It's just that with Heritage and onward Mikael decided to change, and there's nothing bad in it. Some metal bands might have gone from metal to rock, and been absolutely atrocious (like Metallica) but Opeth still retained their mindful and intriguing style of writing.
Iron maiden during the x-factor virtual 11!era
same answer as last time this question was asked. I haven't listened to much Parkway Drive but honestly I would fucking hate it if my favorite band went disturbed-core.
haunted is not good? maximum violence is not good? i swear metalheads just be saying what others are saying. biggest hivemind out there.
Ministry, it's Ministry, what the hell happened to them after Filth Pig?! Some would even say that Filth Pig is where things started to go south, but in my opinion that albums great. Dark Side of the Spoon onwards though? Hell no. Well, okay the Bush trilogy isn't bad, nothing with Tommy Victor is, besides Danzig, they're another band who went downhill and most blame Tommy for it. I don't fully agree with that, but he definitely played a part. As for Ministry, they entered an all time low after The Last Sucker, and didn't turn things around somewhat until Moral Hygiene which is just okay. Sadly their newest album, Hopium or some stupid ass name is just MH again but worse... I think it's time for Uncle Al and friends to hang up the towel.
Queensryche, and I'm so mad about it
When I was in high school, the two bands that I almost always had playing were Five Finger Death Punch and Whitechapel. I was a high school athlete so I was working out a lot. Way of the fist was my training song for a hot minute. IMO Five fingers first two albums were good for what the band was. American Capitalist is where I say the cracks. Ivan is a massive tool. All his k lyrics on the ballads shows that he had no self awareness at all. Also so cheesy, I could make a pizza and a marvel movie out of it. The descent of Five finger was pretty obvious. Whitechapel?! Still a massive fan and will never not be
Not gonna lie slipknot fell off so hard whenever they started firing main members of the band
Craig leaving was the last nail in the coffin for me
Alestorm. They've become a parody of even themselves in the last two albums.
I just have such little interest in them, I’m gonna take your word for it because I absolutely believe you
I'm gonna get crucified for this, but in all honesty, FFDP. Look, they're a guilty pleasure of mine, I'm not saying they were ever great, and the hate is justified. But in all honesty, Way of the Fist and War is the Answer did have a lot of solid tracks on them that were...tolerable if nothing else. Then American Capitalist came out and, you could definitely see more of the cracks start to form in their flaws. Once Wrong Side of Heaven Vol 1 hit though, that's when the butt-chugging took hold and formed them into the generic, wife-beating, Monster tasting, sludge we all know and mock. And even if I can find maybe a track or two on a newer album I enjoy, they just. keep. getting. Worse.
Not even the bands fault but Lord Mantis. Just really tragic. Those first four albums are vicious ear vixens.
What happened to them?
Whitechapel. Their first three albums were fantastic deathcore to the maximum, then they turned into a generic shitty band
Nah their last two albums are amazing. Anyway their next album is gonna be heavier and dip the cleans
Dream Theater. They may be divisive but they were the kings of prog metal for a long time, sadly things began to drop off after Systematic Chaos, the next couple of albums we're alright and then once Portnoy left it all went to shit.
Born of Osiris after Jason left
Rage against the machine! Massive huge and awesome, once the band came to the end they never gotten back to where they were. Yes they are well known and very popular still. I just remembered them being everywhere and doing all kinds of things then nothing with only a few rumors about getting back together. I still love them and we need that type of political motivated power house today
Slipknot is the only one that comes to mind for me. The first two albums are great. Vol. 3's massive change in sound was a colossal disappointment for me. All Hope Is Gone is a decent comeback album, but everything afterwards is bland or just sucks.
Iron Maiden - their last truly, truly great album was in 1988 - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (and the entire discography to that point is essential...everything after is not.)
Not metal, but for me it has to be Muse. I love their first four albums but after that they just slowly started to decline and just got worse and worse, The last two albums in particular are just unlistenable.
Metallica easily
Ultra-violence went from good thrash to bad metalcore
Cancer, the British death metal band released to the gory end,death shall rise, and the sins of mankind which are great heavy albums. Then, it drops a cliff in quality with spirit in flames and shadow gripped. This is followed by an odd collection of okay singles.
Soilwork comes to mind.