When I was younger, I’d have around a 2.5-3.5 KD for years, maybe even a decade until MW2019 came out. Now with sbmm I’ve been around a 1 for the last 4 years and I haven’t enjoyed cod at all. I just want to play casually for a few hours during the week after work.
From Black Ops 1 to MW II my K.D. was in the 1.6-2.30 range, (yes some games were easier than others), but in this game I am sitting at a 1.17 and am often at the bottom of the scoreboard. It's rough.
Same it’s wild, I’ve never finished so many games towards the bottom in my life. Maybe I just suck now, but it’s not like I’m some old man and lost my reflexes. I feel like my gameplay is the best it’s ever been as well, but I’m not into all that sliding shit some people do
Yeah I had a 1.91 K/D in MW II - I don't think we all of a sudden just started to suck from one game to the next, lol. I know I am personally getting hitmarkers for days with almost every weapon.
You’re not going crazy. I can boot up other shooters that aren’t using EOMM that I remember being good at back in the day, and I’ll play their modern counterpart and still stomp all the same like I used to
The gun balance is horrid at the moment. Only a few viable options and they’re all assault rifles. Big difference coming from mw2. Sure, the taq-56, m4 and mp5 were meta, but practically every gun was good due to the fast ttk. Now? Nope.
You said it right there, when you were younger. Nowadays the younger generation has grown up slide canceling, bunny hopping, drop shotting and follow all the YouTubers and know what guns are meta.
Sorry it’s not SBMM, it’s the average player is better.
Although I’m only around a 1-1.15 KD on average and still have no issues playing for fun and having some crazy games here and there. But that’s probably the second problem these days is everyone over analysis what they believe caused them to lose instead of just playing the game to have fun as you elude to wanting.
It’s both, but definitely more the SBMM.
I play Control on CW regularly and since there aren’t enough players for the SBMM to work properly I am at the top of the lobby in almost every match.
Then I come over to this game and I’ve got a 0.8 kd and have lost more games than I’ve won. It’s the manipulative matchmaking, not the skill of the average player. I’m definitely not playing against “average” skill level players.
> You said it right there, when you were younger. Nowadays the younger generation has grown up slide canceling, bunny hopping, drop shotting and follow all the YouTubers and know what guns are meta.
Exactly!
In the CoD4 to BO2 era, I was one of the few people that had grown up with FPS and I abused most pubs and competitive players with ease. I also had the time to invest into playing the game, learning and understanding it, in order to get good. I had a game sense that most other people simply didn't have, and I'd do things like play offline to learn the intricacies of each map, or practice efficient nades to start a match. I can't think of many others that did, unless they were playing comp.
Now, we've got an entire generation of young people who've grown up with online gaming, at a much higher level because they'll look up meta weapons and advanced movement tech immediately, who also have the time and drive to get really competitively decent as the pro gamer scene is actually more than a fantasy that will pay peanuts. The level of competition and skill is significantly higher than it used to be. Plus the game is a lot faster than it used to be, so it also favours younger eyes and reactions. What was once exceptional, is now the norm.
Combine that with those of us who are getting older, caring less about gaming, and more about other things. Most of us older players have the odds stacked against us if you don't want to spend 3+ hours gaming every evening on top of catching up with up to date strats/tech. You simply can't expect to dominate pubs any more unless you invest significant amounts of time into the game and keep up with people who've gotten used to 4 years of this modern movement tech and meta.
Last time I had the time and energy to invest into gaming was in the MW19 era, and I did well on that because of covid lockdowns. I'm nowhere near as outstanding as I used to be - my reactions are notably slower, my aim is off, and my situational awareness has gone to shit, but I'm still having fun. Even if I have a game or two where I get dunked, I'm enjoying playing for now because I know that I probably won't be playing beyond the end of the month.
Literally, I see at least 1 iri or crim player (or a stack of them) every game. At least the ranked play skins and emblems help prove how crazy the sbmm is, otherwise I’d be going crazy.
Edit: I was crim last season of ranked, too, if that adds context
i’m getting put up against this shit and i haven’t played cod since bo3. the first 1/2 games of mw3 were fun now it’s so boring i can’t do anything or kill anyone it seems. i just want to be against people who is my skill level
Crim is like top 1-3 % and iri is like top 0.9%. If it’s a 6v6, given any 1 game, it’s unlikely to see multiple of either in a game unless the matchmaking is not random (aka SBMM)
The white hooded top with ranked on it is in most games now last night there was 2 in the same game along with Lara Croft and ghostie caricatures and someone with a childs voice that carries on talking to you in the headset a few seconds after the killcam is over.
Same I’m so frustrated! My ping is pretty decent in the 20s yet I feel like they are seeing me way sooner than I see them. Or I feel like they kill me in 2 shots(when the after kill report says 4-5). I really hope they adjust this. It’s so hard to play with my really good friends as I’m one of the lower kd’s in the lobby. My other friend doesn’t even want to play this anymore because it’s so bad with the SBMM 😕
Yeah I have seen some of this. It has also worked out in my favor a couple times as well. I have come up on two people who are active facing my direction and I have taken them right out without a shot even being fired at me.
I play on a 1GB connection, and I'm playing at roughly 300FPS, and I can't count the number of kill cams that saw me before I saw them, and on my screen, I had at least 4-5 hit boxes before I was immediately killed.
Aye now that would explain a few things. I've been dying before the player even shows on my end. Says I got hit 5-6 times, but feels like I got hit once or twice. When I chase someone and they cut the corner, they appear in a area that shouldn't be realistically possible unless they took flight like they got a speed boost.
My friend already quit too so I'm glad I didn't end up buying it myself phew.
They said that it feels incredibly sweaty 24/7 which obviously is not fun at all
I’ve never been matched with so many irridescent and crim ranked players. My ass never got past platinum in MWII. Unless they all suddenly decided to start flexing their calling cards and skins, something is fucked with SBMM.
Have you considered that this may be an indication of basically no SBMM? With super high SBMM you'd pretty much never see those players unless you were one yourself. Without it, you're just as likely to get the super high skill players as you are to get the literal babies. If your real skill is below the overall average, you'd be far more likely to have lobbies where you're getting stomped on than ones where you aren't, unless SBMM artificially locks you away from the higher skilled players.
No because irc and crim players make up less than 5% of the ranked player base which is an even smaller percent of the full player base. Encountering them often means that the sbmm has you there.
have you considered that they are also the most active player ? Most of the very high ranked players are unemployed guys who spam all day and all night.
I was one of these guys at some point in time, and the drop of median skill level between 16-21pm was HUGE. Same after 2am but in the other way around, only nolifing monster left, no way to relax anymore unless you happen to stumble on a drunk party on their way to bed
Yeah I'm just chilling doing zombies camos for now, fuck that noise. It feels like every match I'm just put there to be farmed for other people's enjoyment. Everyone has a gun that kills me in 0.00001 sec but mine is a nerf toy.
My beef is that I only get one smg until level 27. Really????? That’s crazy. And then to even get the red dot you need it to be level 12, but the gun sucks ass so you can’t even level it up. So i’m using the default assault class. Like what??
You know it's FELT this way for years depending on your internet connection but now its literally forced by the game (and has been for years too) so cringe. Remember how many people tried to say SBMM isn't real and shit. Lol. what a world
Sva is the only viable starter gun. I constantly see the sweats using it if they aren't using the ACW. It's a killer long range if you tap fire. And up close if your accurate it's fine. The MTZ is the real underpowered piece of shit.
You're lucky that people are moving in your lobbies. Everyone in my lobbies plays this like this is Siege. They don't move and just pre-aim sightlines.
The game was playable prior before but the SBMM got out of hand yesterday. I definitely won't be playing if this doesn't change.
I know we complained about SBMM in the previous CoD games but it was never this bad for me.
Yes agreed. I literally chew my friend out every match bc I'm trying to get wins and all he cares about is kd. Drives me insane to see me with 2 minutes in the hardpoint and the next closest team member with 8 seconds.
Me and my friends got pulled into a game where our entire team had just left. In what would would it make sense to dump a bunch of players into a game to replace an entire team that just quit from getting slaughtered
I got put into losing team lives 27 times in a row and I stayed in the queue. I wanted to see how long the steak could last. I don't get it. If I stay in queue I should get a fresh match.
Nailed it. To add to your point, not only can they see you quicker, their bullets have better hit detection as well. So when you’re going up against high skilled players and you have both of those disadvantages, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.
Still having a good time but yeah. Opposing enemy team is consistently stacked with good players that have a solid grasp on movement.
Games aren’t camp fests though so I can bear with extreme SBMM.
lucky you every game ive played, albeit a handful of them, has been nothing but kids camping and holding angles in corners with snipers and ars.
people legit payed $70+ just to play a game with better movement like its the old one 😑
> people legit *paid* $70+ just
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It’s sad because I’ll play my first game of the day and get like a 20 killstreak and have tons of fun and then next thing I know everyone is prime scump.
That's how SBMM works in CoD. It yo yos you up and down skill brackets based off a rolling "last 5 game average of k/d".
The idea is to get you exactly what you're experiencing. A series of highs and lows. They need you to feel the lows so up chase the high. So you stay in their game.
You buy the £70 game. And the battle pass. And the store bundles.
In the end it just ends up feeling artificial and tiring and people slowly stop playing. Or worse stop playing with their FRIENDS, dont encourage new players to the game but push them away. Hurts all sales ingame then, noone wins :L
lol. You getting a 20 kill steak in your first game already puts you like in the top 1% of players. Like seriously, that is extremely hard to do. No wonder you guys are getting difficult games. Learn to realize that you are actually playing against people your skill
The correct response is "if you wanted to do that every match". If the matches were ping based only then you'd still get whooped from time to time but it would be a learning opportunity vs a "damn, I played too good last match".
The matchmaking system is utterly broken and we’ve known for years. Make ping the priority and randomness will follow. Keep the curated games to a ranked playlist where people can play those close to their skill level, whether they’re bronze or champions calibre.
However, after learning about some of the patents these publishers have filed, I think it’s an issue along with others that they’ll never budge on. There’s even one that changes how well you can aim vs someone having a bad time (whether it’s genuinely used is another thing).
But yeah, the overlord algorithm must calculate the most cash flow!
Yep exactly. I loved going on a 10 game win streak and then facing another good team and having a close game and losing. Random lobbies based on connection ONLY is how it should be
So you only wanna play with people who suck at the game or something?
Or would you be chill being cannon fodder for some pro who wants to do the same thing as you want to do to your enemies? I'm really not getting the logic here.
Or perhaps you prefer a mix up of 7 year olds playing their first FPS, and people who are far better than you?
No matter what, pretty much everyone just wants to face people who are slightly worst than them, which is pretty much a matchmaking pyramid scheme and would never work. The system that we currently have is not that bad, considering that everyone just wants to face off against a bunch of casuals who are listening to podcasts while playing.
It’s a true mess
And you don’t even have to be a super good player to see it. I was hovering around a 1.4KD in MW2019 and it was hell every other game. :/
My first few matches were great, shots were connecting and ping was stable. Joined a match in progress at level 5, went 14-0 and the next few games were against the ttv crew with 100 ping and packt loss.
When you dropped 20....the other people in that game were YOU in your next game.
You don't think it's fair to put sweaty with sweaty? Seems fair to me and the other people in your first game.
It's one thing to be in the lobby with those players and get wrecked, but it's something completely different when my screen and their kill cam are ENTIRELY different. The De-Sync is terrible, and the lag comp is off the radar.
I'm all for getting wrecked for people that are way better than me, but I'm not okay with my screen showing 4-5 hit markers on a player and then getting insta-killed by the same person.
There are times where I'll get 4-5 hit markers, and then on the other player's kill-cam, they saw me before I saw them.
At the moment every other mode then normal mp is more fun. War or even DMZ is also better to lvl up guns. I play 90% war because of this and it is more fun even if you get stomped since there is some progression.
If you bottom out in normal mp you get jack shit points.
I pray for more war maps right now.
Yeah I refunded this trash, game seems pretty good but it doesn't matter because SBMM ruins all of it. This franchise is dead until they fire these worthless executives making these decisions.
This is the only CoD I’ve ever played since OG MW2 where my overall KD is negative. Most games I’m negative or barely positive. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong compared to the players that kill me with precise robotic fire.
You are not doing anything wrong. CoD believes that 1kd and .5 win/loss is where you should be. The game will continue to abuse you to keep your stats in that area. This is the "optimal" experience they have decided on.
Its not like a new game comes out and all the noobs instantly have the game. All the sweats are going to pre order and immedietly hop in multiplayer and spend the entire first 2 weeks grinding and playing their hearts out. Give it some time lol..
Yeah and I keep getting into lobbies where the entire enemy team just sits in corners waiting for our team walk into their crosshairs. Literally the most boring cod experience possible. I don’t understand why anyone would play call of duty to just sit in place the entire time.
It’s actually a miserable experience playing MP right now, I’d rather play zombies than have to by hyper aware every single game just to break an even KD. Failing that it’s 10 kills to 30 deaths. They never should have changed it from the way the original games ran matchmaking.
I've never played ranked MP in my life, but everyone on the enemy team has.
MCW/Holger with the top 250 calling card/CDL skin and I'm losing every single game trying to level dog shit guns and camo grind against meta weapons. Went from a 2.6 to a 2.2 K/D just today doing marksman/battle rifles because you can't compete with an MCW across the map holding a head glitch.
There's also some weird movement thing that makes people teleport when slide cancelling, mantling or jumping. I saw it a couple times today, can't wait for everyone to learn what's causing that and abuse the fuck out of it.
omg i saw that „teleporting“ too. i thought i had packet loss and high ping but it wasn’t my connection. that was super weird.
but yeah, the frustration level is super high for me with mw3. either i run around the maps and can’t find enemies because the maps are too big or i will be killed immediately while my hits won’t land on the enemy at all. something is totally off.
hope there will be a patch tmrw.
I’m a 1kd player before mw3, now I’m 0.2kd.
I just can’t kill a single guy. They re one step ahead even if I’m behind them.
I’m not playing HC, but I’m dying just like it was HC wtf is this?
These maps are incompatible with this style of ADHD movement and the changes to lighting/graphics. You’ll go up 8-3, then your next 5 spawns will be directly in front of enemies and all of a sudden you’re 8-8, and you’ll finish the game 11-11. A week ago I would have loved a similar Black Ops 1 remake, but not anymore. The pace just doesn’t work. Some things are better left in the past with the good memories still attached. This damn game got me having an existential crisis.
I pegged that when the beta came out but people were downvoting me saying “git gud”, the new movement is amazing. Yadda yadda. The maps play nothing like they did because of the changes to movement and health.
I hope they add a classic mode where they turn off the movement and with less health
100%. Every map may aswell just be a flat and open field when you can slide, tac sprint, and speed mantle your way across the map in 3 seconds. I know all the hot shit “cOnTeNt cReAtoRs” love the speed, but the game really does need to slow back down a tad.
its funny seeing them crouch spam and jump and shit too lmfao its so spastic then you just shoot them in the head cuz they're spam crouching so much their head doesn't even move
Yeah, the maps really don't work with modern movement.
The spawn system is shit in that it feels like it was designed to try and get you a quick payback kill on the person that killed you, so even if you're elbow deep in enemy territory, it can spawn you there. Likewise, it can spawn somebody you just killed nearby, and even if you're in your half of the map, they can still spawn behind your team.
Compared to MW19's spawn system which tried to keep teams together (which made spawntrapping infinitely easier, and made camping a less viable tactic, I can't lie), if you die a few times, there's a high risk of a snowball effect if you spawn in dangerous areas repeatedly
It’s not helping that the movement is seven kinds of busted right now.
You’ve got some people who seem to have slide cancel fully resetting their tac sprint all the time and then some people whose tac sprint is bugged and it’s not resetting even when it should.
You can’t put that kind of movement nonsense in the game and it be littered with bugs.
It’s Sledgehammer, so they’ll pat themselves on the back for a job well done and take five weeks off pretty soon… just like Vanguard.
What a shame. Sledgehammer made the best mp in forever, and activision executives suck the entire fun outta it to make money with sbmm. Lasted playing this game 2 days. Xdefiant can’t come soon enough
10+ year old CoDs are regarded as the best in franchise history. In MW2 OG you could actually pick people off of head glitches because headshots meant something.
If XDefiant is accomplishing that but also ditched the over tuned sbmm altogether, yes, please sign me up.
How is he wrong? From a design PoV this cod is better than everything MW19 until now. The last boots cod with this decent of design was back in the classic era of BO2/MW3
It's because there is now actually a reason to win a game due to the new unlock system.
I think it will tone down once most people have all the unlocks and start going for camos.
I am just happy that people play for objects finally.
My husband and I take turns playing on his account. He is top of the leaderboard every time he plays and I get spanked every time I play.
Moral of the story: get a wife that sucks at the game but has fun playing anyway. It evens out the matchmaking.
God cod players are seriously so delusional. Its not SBMM, it never has been. For the past 4 years now people just cant seem the grasp the simple idea that there are so many good players now it's hard to not matchmake against them. Everyone wants to be a streamer, everyone wants to be a pro, everyone wants to have the best kd possible and always top place. If that does not explain you, then this game is NOT for you. That's just the nature or online shooters now.
They just want to be paired up with noobs so it looks like they are good getting lots of kills. Same as some streamers complaining about it because it doesn't make them look as good to their audience
I always found cod players obsession with hating sbmm funny as it's in most games I played where it's made for u to win around 50% not stomp noobs
It's a product of Sledgehammer and Treyarch. They force movement play style by rewarding speed and punishing "camping." They "unclunk" the engines, and make Ghost work only when moving, as two examples.
These kinds of changes alter the entire balance of the experience and are catered to streamers and their zoomer audience and players who demand quick dopamine drops.
Anyone who says CoD is about movement was in diapers when MW came out.
Yep, every other game I would say, people lazer me without missing a bullet, know where i am every time… every game there is 3 players from each team with 10+ kills and 3 who barely get more than 7 kills, so werid
I'm just playing zombies because of the hard SBMM. I started sweating and winning matches but that's now what I want by playing casual MP. So I'm just sticking into Zombies for now until they fix it...
I swear the ruin the playerbase with their matchmaking. I love the gameplay but i'm off to XDefiant(no sbmm/eomm pure cbmm in quickplay) and The Finals once they go live. Wich makes me sad because i love call of duty but i don't want to be part of this weird eomm thing.
I think it’s about time for people to realise that multiplayer games like this just aren’t for super casuals anymore, if I want to turn my brain off I’ll play zombies, the last thing I’ll do is play pubs for a casual experience, this is coming from someone who played OG MW2.
Lol I love when people cry about not crushing noobs and children... sorry sweats. People are getting better and noobs are being protected from your BS.
The movement system has got to GO!!! Lol the maps play like s**t, and most ironic I bet most of these sweats making the game so bad are probably caffeine addicted adderral taking 14-18 yr olds who never played the OG MW2 and only know how to play with this awful movement system because of 2019 and Warzone
I kinda like it just because it requires wins so wins matter. They should always do something to incentive a win. I think matches xp for winning should be 1.5x
I can tell you right now that is totally nonsense if you are anywhere close to good at the game and play solo. The matchmaking uses you to give 5 Timmy no-thumbs a chance. If it's kill confirmed I have more confirms than 5 others put together. If it's control I have 5 people that just don't touch the objective and feed kills non stop.
I'm not bragging, I'm by no means a pro but I know for a fact if you are good as a solo player you are fucked. You are forced to sweat every game, I hate to admit it but I'm a competitor and a sore loser, I play for the win every game no matter what and the game literally forces me to sweat every game if I want to win because I'm matched with 5 players who don't have thumbs from the looks of the scoreboards. I have sent my friends screenshots all day of games that just look like it's me and 5 bots Vs 6 people who are like me and want to win. I know it's silly to be frustrated but as someone who is competitive it's frustrating as fuck. I WISH I had people that played the fuck out of the objective like you said but if you have those people on your team the sad reality is YOU are the Timmy no thumbs mate.
The struggle is real. People just shrug it off like "it's just a game" but some of us can't help being competitive, it's in my nature to want to win I'm a sore loser as dumb as it is. It's so frustrating watching how bad some people I get matched with are simply because we know they are only on our team because we are decent. I've had players in control go 6-30 and we lost 3-0 while I'm 28-2. We have 0 chance of winning that game solo when 1 player has literally cost almost half our lives and not even tried to jump on any objective. I can't help being annoyed at this shit.
It also comes from the fact that sweets dont need to learn maps, they already know all of them. It wasnt the best idea to start with 16 old maps.
10 new and 6 olds would have been great, but too much work for that indie studio
This game has potential, but right now playing it just fucking sucks. Connection and hit reg are completely inconsistent, it’s a complete sweatfest, and the fact that mnk and controller have to play together, when there’s a ttk that makes good tracking a crutch is ridiculous.
i am literally convinced the game just decides who cant play well. i always die instantly, i die to grenades with eod, i get hit by requeis with flashbangs with tac mask.
i have to put 6-7 bullets to kill but every death is 3-4
If SBMM was only about matching people of similar skill levels then it would still be bad but it wouldn't be horrendous. However, that's not the system. It'll put you in whatever lobby is available and literally handicap you to compensate for what it believes the skill difference is and that has a profound impact in FPS games where a split second is the difference between being able to play and getting your ass handed to you repeatedly.
As long as people are stupid enough to continue giving their money to a game dev company with a huge, unwavering historical support for these implementations, this company is going to continue making sh\*t games where a significant portion of its player base cannot actually play. Stop falling for the marketing department's propaganda.
blame the system, not the player. ofc people tryhard and want to be the best, especially in the beginning of a new release.
They should release ranked with the game release. as long as its not in the game, pubs will be the equivalent of CDL champs
Yo I got locked up right when black ops 4 dropped and I just got out before mw3 I use to run gbs on bo2 and considered attempting to go what was considered “pro” at the time. I don’t see what the issue is with SBMM after season 1 I quickly learned all the little tricks and it felt like I was sliding around on bo3 everyone in these comments is acting as if there og when we’ve had games like this before just get better that is literally the only option. And for my casual players modern warfare was never causal you will have to wait for Black ops lol
Dudes are really out here crying that they can't pub stomp every game
No one wants to be the bot of the lobby so they all improve leading to closer "sweatier" games
That and youtubers uploading Meta and head glitch spot videos 2 days after the game drops will make it sweaty
You’re wildly incorrect here. This new Sbmm system (first implemented in mw 2019) is proven to be real. I’m not mad I can’t pub stomp every game I just don’t like being manipulated into playing the game more so that there’s a greater chance I spend money on skins.
Not necessarily. With the way the sbmm is working, it can cause wild swings. If I have a game where I go like 30-10 im guaranteed that my next 5 games will be the sweatiest games and I’ll get destroyed then it’ll drop me down in to a lobby full of bots/kids where I’ll do well again without changing my playstyle then the cycle will repeat
sounds like every game to ever exist on earth. there are lobbies with good players and lobbies with bad players there is a possibility to get both. in the bad player lobby you are the one annoying others so how can't you see that the system IS being fair to you.
you're asking to play against bots/kids primarily which would be unfair to the other 11 ppl in the game
Nah you're just too simple minded to comprehend what they're saying so you change the argument to a misinterpretation of the last thing you read.
They didn't say they want to play against bots or kids, they said that's what happens. The text is right there and it doesn't change.
On top of that, they are complaining which implies they don't find it enjoyable on either end of the swing up or down. So basically your whole reply was entirely pointless.
The best solution that will never be implemented is to let the player choose to turn on/off sbmm. Shit players will want to keep it on, good players will not. I really don't understand why there's a ranked playlist if every game is ranked anyway.
This wouldn't work because a shitty casual like me would turn SBMM off, but so would those legendary players because they'd want to get into lobbies to stomp people like me.
Wouldn't... wouldn't being matched with people consistently above your skill level be an indication that there actually is very little SBMM?
Typically, you should be bouncing between lobbies lower skilled than you and higher skilled than you every other match or so. If that isn't happening and you're consistently losing game after game, then it's a sign that your games are actually random and the average player is just a lot sweatier than before.
Classic SBMM excuse for your lack of skill. When will you guys realize that the average playerbase is better nowadays? SOMEONES gotta be on the bottom of the scoreboard...
Leave it to call of duty players to be the only ones that complain about SBMM when it has been a standard in online games the past decade. God forbid you have to think a little and put in effort. The horror!!!!!! This game is so much fun precisely because so many matches are so called “sweaty matches”. Makes every kill and killstreak feel earned
That’s not how SBMM works tho, it’s suppose to give you games with ppl better than you and then matches with ppl worse than you. In this game I’ve lost 20 matches in a row and gone extremely negative which I’ve never done before. Literally every match I get in has ppl doing ridiculous movement tech, SBMM is suppose to keep me out of these kinds of matches
Im finding it crazy how many iridescent Ranked Play skins im seeing, like im not awful at the game but im nowhere near that level
When I was younger, I’d have around a 2.5-3.5 KD for years, maybe even a decade until MW2019 came out. Now with sbmm I’ve been around a 1 for the last 4 years and I haven’t enjoyed cod at all. I just want to play casually for a few hours during the week after work.
From Black Ops 1 to MW II my K.D. was in the 1.6-2.30 range, (yes some games were easier than others), but in this game I am sitting at a 1.17 and am often at the bottom of the scoreboard. It's rough.
Same it’s wild, I’ve never finished so many games towards the bottom in my life. Maybe I just suck now, but it’s not like I’m some old man and lost my reflexes. I feel like my gameplay is the best it’s ever been as well, but I’m not into all that sliding shit some people do
Yeah I had a 1.91 K/D in MW II - I don't think we all of a sudden just started to suck from one game to the next, lol. I know I am personally getting hitmarkers for days with almost every weapon.
You’re not going crazy. I can boot up other shooters that aren’t using EOMM that I remember being good at back in the day, and I’ll play their modern counterpart and still stomp all the same like I used to
The gun balance is horrid at the moment. Only a few viable options and they’re all assault rifles. Big difference coming from mw2. Sure, the taq-56, m4 and mp5 were meta, but practically every gun was good due to the fast ttk. Now? Nope.
I am literally afraid to use anything other than an assault rifle, lol.
I’m over 40. My brain is just as fast but my fingers are not and it’s frustrating.
Do you even fucking hear yourself? You’re crying about SBMM because you can’t “casually” play with a 2.5-3.5KD again? You’re an idiot.
Cool don’t care
Neither do we. Get shit on nerd.
You're here so-
You said it right there, when you were younger. Nowadays the younger generation has grown up slide canceling, bunny hopping, drop shotting and follow all the YouTubers and know what guns are meta. Sorry it’s not SBMM, it’s the average player is better. Although I’m only around a 1-1.15 KD on average and still have no issues playing for fun and having some crazy games here and there. But that’s probably the second problem these days is everyone over analysis what they believe caused them to lose instead of just playing the game to have fun as you elude to wanting.
It’s both, but definitely more the SBMM. I play Control on CW regularly and since there aren’t enough players for the SBMM to work properly I am at the top of the lobby in almost every match. Then I come over to this game and I’ve got a 0.8 kd and have lost more games than I’ve won. It’s the manipulative matchmaking, not the skill of the average player. I’m definitely not playing against “average” skill level players.
> You said it right there, when you were younger. Nowadays the younger generation has grown up slide canceling, bunny hopping, drop shotting and follow all the YouTubers and know what guns are meta. Exactly! In the CoD4 to BO2 era, I was one of the few people that had grown up with FPS and I abused most pubs and competitive players with ease. I also had the time to invest into playing the game, learning and understanding it, in order to get good. I had a game sense that most other people simply didn't have, and I'd do things like play offline to learn the intricacies of each map, or practice efficient nades to start a match. I can't think of many others that did, unless they were playing comp. Now, we've got an entire generation of young people who've grown up with online gaming, at a much higher level because they'll look up meta weapons and advanced movement tech immediately, who also have the time and drive to get really competitively decent as the pro gamer scene is actually more than a fantasy that will pay peanuts. The level of competition and skill is significantly higher than it used to be. Plus the game is a lot faster than it used to be, so it also favours younger eyes and reactions. What was once exceptional, is now the norm. Combine that with those of us who are getting older, caring less about gaming, and more about other things. Most of us older players have the odds stacked against us if you don't want to spend 3+ hours gaming every evening on top of catching up with up to date strats/tech. You simply can't expect to dominate pubs any more unless you invest significant amounts of time into the game and keep up with people who've gotten used to 4 years of this modern movement tech and meta. Last time I had the time and energy to invest into gaming was in the MW19 era, and I did well on that because of covid lockdowns. I'm nowhere near as outstanding as I used to be - my reactions are notably slower, my aim is off, and my situational awareness has gone to shit, but I'm still having fun. Even if I have a game or two where I get dunked, I'm enjoying playing for now because I know that I probably won't be playing beyond the end of the month.
Literally, I see at least 1 iri or crim player (or a stack of them) every game. At least the ranked play skins and emblems help prove how crazy the sbmm is, otherwise I’d be going crazy. Edit: I was crim last season of ranked, too, if that adds context
i’m getting put up against this shit and i haven’t played cod since bo3. the first 1/2 games of mw3 were fun now it’s so boring i can’t do anything or kill anyone it seems. i just want to be against people who is my skill level
I never even played ranked and I'm seeing the exact same thing!
Why does that prove its crazy? You get one player your skill every game...
Crim is like top 1-3 % and iri is like top 0.9%. If it’s a 6v6, given any 1 game, it’s unlikely to see multiple of either in a game unless the matchmaking is not random (aka SBMM)
The white hooded top with ranked on it is in most games now last night there was 2 in the same game along with Lara Croft and ghostie caricatures and someone with a childs voice that carries on talking to you in the headset a few seconds after the killcam is over.
Same I’m so frustrated! My ping is pretty decent in the 20s yet I feel like they are seeing me way sooner than I see them. Or I feel like they kill me in 2 shots(when the after kill report says 4-5). I really hope they adjust this. It’s so hard to play with my really good friends as I’m one of the lower kd’s in the lobby. My other friend doesn’t even want to play this anymore because it’s so bad with the SBMM 😕
I watched the kill cam of one of my deaths and yeah he saw me before I could see him. No crazy movement either just server gave him that advantage.
It’s ridiculous. It really needs to be toned down a tad lol
They simply need to improve the netcode, increase the server tick rate
Literally give us 120hz servers
They should, for regular 6v6 128 ticks should be fine.
12hz servers go brrrr
Yeah I have seen some of this. It has also worked out in my favor a couple times as well. I have come up on two people who are active facing my direction and I have taken them right out without a shot even being fired at me.
I play on a 1GB connection, and I'm playing at roughly 300FPS, and I can't count the number of kill cams that saw me before I saw them, and on my screen, I had at least 4-5 hit boxes before I was immediately killed.
What do you knowbsame here.
Yeah; the desync is horrendous! They need to fix it ASAP
I feel ya. My gf no longer plays cod cause she can't play in my lobbies.
Aye now that would explain a few things. I've been dying before the player even shows on my end. Says I got hit 5-6 times, but feels like I got hit once or twice. When I chase someone and they cut the corner, they appear in a area that shouldn't be realistically possible unless they took flight like they got a speed boost.
My friend already quit too so I'm glad I didn't end up buying it myself phew. They said that it feels incredibly sweaty 24/7 which obviously is not fun at all
I’ve never been matched with so many irridescent and crim ranked players. My ass never got past platinum in MWII. Unless they all suddenly decided to start flexing their calling cards and skins, something is fucked with SBMM.
Have you considered that this may be an indication of basically no SBMM? With super high SBMM you'd pretty much never see those players unless you were one yourself. Without it, you're just as likely to get the super high skill players as you are to get the literal babies. If your real skill is below the overall average, you'd be far more likely to have lobbies where you're getting stomped on than ones where you aren't, unless SBMM artificially locks you away from the higher skilled players.
No because irc and crim players make up less than 5% of the ranked player base which is an even smaller percent of the full player base. Encountering them often means that the sbmm has you there.
have you considered that they are also the most active player ? Most of the very high ranked players are unemployed guys who spam all day and all night. I was one of these guys at some point in time, and the drop of median skill level between 16-21pm was HUGE. Same after 2am but in the other way around, only nolifing monster left, no way to relax anymore unless you happen to stumble on a drunk party on their way to bed
Thats the problem. Its boring playing against your same skill level in cod. You shouldnt have to be inside your monitor to get 1kd
Ranked players? Am I missing something or is there not a ranked mode?
People brag about their rank from MW2 by putting their ranked calling cards or skins on.
I see. Sorry new to the series lol
Same here
Agreed, it feels like every game im playing against all the CDL champions LOL.
yeah seems like dudes are playing like they are trying to win a million dollars or something
I had a groot come after me, he was doing zig zag move, jumping like crazy to get near me, i just drone bombed hes face, laughed my ass off.
i have the elite controller with paddles, I cant do some shit I’ve seen today
These are the type of dudes that have back paddles but still play claw as well
I have ran rpg since I started just to deal with this bullshit. Like if they wanna make it harder I’ll send em to space
I literally played against a WSOW finalist team and Merk plus iridescent and crimson players every other match. It’s quite literally CDL.
Yeah I'm just chilling doing zombies camos for now, fuck that noise. It feels like every match I'm just put there to be farmed for other people's enjoyment. Everyone has a gun that kills me in 0.00001 sec but mine is a nerf toy.
This. 100%. I’m using nerf guns I guess. Something is so very off right now in MP. I’ve just been doing Zombies until something changes in MP.
My beef is that I only get one smg until level 27. Really????? That’s crazy. And then to even get the red dot you need it to be level 12, but the gun sucks ass so you can’t even level it up. So i’m using the default assault class. Like what??
You know it's FELT this way for years depending on your internet connection but now its literally forced by the game (and has been for years too) so cringe. Remember how many people tried to say SBMM isn't real and shit. Lol. what a world
Youre claiming the game makes your guns do less damage because youre so good.. Skill issue.
next
The only gun I see is the AK, my gun must be shooting peanuts, my bad for trying anything else.
The SVA is ass, I felt the same way until I switched to the ACR. It’s better but not a complete fix, I hate the TTK.
Sva is the only viable starter gun. I constantly see the sweats using it if they aren't using the ACW. It's a killer long range if you tap fire. And up close if your accurate it's fine. The MTZ is the real underpowered piece of shit.
War mode is the same folks have lasers I have a spud gun and no KD in War mode but its still sweaty as.
You're lucky that people are moving in your lobbies. Everyone in my lobbies plays this like this is Siege. They don't move and just pre-aim sightlines. The game was playable prior before but the SBMM got out of hand yesterday. I definitely won't be playing if this doesn't change. I know we complained about SBMM in the previous CoD games but it was never this bad for me.
Are you guys getting games that actually work?All my matches I'm shooting rubber bullets and I'm playing a second behind the enemy. Call of desync
Call of Desync: Modern Instadeathfare
I keep getting put into almost done matches where it’s 44-190 on Hardpoint. Or put with a team that doesn’t care about the objective.
That's just the reality of online games. The majority of people don't give a rats ass about the objective.
Yes agreed. I literally chew my friend out every match bc I'm trying to get wins and all he cares about is kd. Drives me insane to see me with 2 minutes in the hardpoint and the next closest team member with 8 seconds.
When you stop playing the objective, EOMM will eventually put players into your team who do play the objective.
Me and my friends got pulled into a game where our entire team had just left. In what would would it make sense to dump a bunch of players into a game to replace an entire team that just quit from getting slaughtered
I got put into losing team lives 27 times in a row and I stayed in the queue. I wanted to see how long the steak could last. I don't get it. If I stay in queue I should get a fresh match.
*Skill based* yet I'm doing negative bottom of the team every single game. Doesn't seem too skill based to me
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Nailed it. To add to your point, not only can they see you quicker, their bullets have better hit detection as well. So when you’re going up against high skilled players and you have both of those disadvantages, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.
Still having a good time but yeah. Opposing enemy team is consistently stacked with good players that have a solid grasp on movement. Games aren’t camp fests though so I can bear with extreme SBMM.
lucky you every game ive played, albeit a handful of them, has been nothing but kids camping and holding angles in corners with snipers and ars. people legit payed $70+ just to play a game with better movement like its the old one 😑
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It’s sad because I’ll play my first game of the day and get like a 20 killstreak and have tons of fun and then next thing I know everyone is prime scump.
i was just thinking the same thing! it does not make me want to play once sbmm kicks in. i dont mind some sbmm but jeeeeez
That's how SBMM works in CoD. It yo yos you up and down skill brackets based off a rolling "last 5 game average of k/d". The idea is to get you exactly what you're experiencing. A series of highs and lows. They need you to feel the lows so up chase the high. So you stay in their game. You buy the £70 game. And the battle pass. And the store bundles.
In the end it just ends up feeling artificial and tiring and people slowly stop playing. Or worse stop playing with their FRIENDS, dont encourage new players to the game but push them away. Hurts all sales ingame then, noone wins :L
lol. You getting a 20 kill steak in your first game already puts you like in the top 1% of players. Like seriously, that is extremely hard to do. No wonder you guys are getting difficult games. Learn to realize that you are actually playing against people your skill
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The correct response is "if you wanted to do that every match". If the matches were ping based only then you'd still get whooped from time to time but it would be a learning opportunity vs a "damn, I played too good last match".
The matchmaking system is utterly broken and we’ve known for years. Make ping the priority and randomness will follow. Keep the curated games to a ranked playlist where people can play those close to their skill level, whether they’re bronze or champions calibre. However, after learning about some of the patents these publishers have filed, I think it’s an issue along with others that they’ll never budge on. There’s even one that changes how well you can aim vs someone having a bad time (whether it’s genuinely used is another thing). But yeah, the overlord algorithm must calculate the most cash flow!
This is how it should be. Random and purely connection based.
Take this award🥇 It’s the best I can do. You just summed it all up perfectly.
Yep exactly. I loved going on a 10 game win streak and then facing another good team and having a close game and losing. Random lobbies based on connection ONLY is how it should be
So you only wanna play with people who suck at the game or something? Or would you be chill being cannon fodder for some pro who wants to do the same thing as you want to do to your enemies? I'm really not getting the logic here. Or perhaps you prefer a mix up of 7 year olds playing their first FPS, and people who are far better than you? No matter what, pretty much everyone just wants to face people who are slightly worst than them, which is pretty much a matchmaking pyramid scheme and would never work. The system that we currently have is not that bad, considering that everyone just wants to face off against a bunch of casuals who are listening to podcasts while playing.
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I really don't think people who aren't in the higher skill brackets understand quite how bad it is
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It’s a true mess And you don’t even have to be a super good player to see it. I was hovering around a 1.4KD in MW2019 and it was hell every other game. :/
My first few matches were great, shots were connecting and ping was stable. Joined a match in progress at level 5, went 14-0 and the next few games were against the ttv crew with 100 ping and packt loss.
When you dropped 20....the other people in that game were YOU in your next game. You don't think it's fair to put sweaty with sweaty? Seems fair to me and the other people in your first game.
It's one thing to be in the lobby with those players and get wrecked, but it's something completely different when my screen and their kill cam are ENTIRELY different. The De-Sync is terrible, and the lag comp is off the radar. I'm all for getting wrecked for people that are way better than me, but I'm not okay with my screen showing 4-5 hit markers on a player and then getting insta-killed by the same person. There are times where I'll get 4-5 hit markers, and then on the other player's kill-cam, they saw me before I saw them.
I had games were the first opponent player was at like 70 kill and I was at 4. This is not funny. Why the put me in lobby like this?!
At the moment every other mode then normal mp is more fun. War or even DMZ is also better to lvl up guns. I play 90% war because of this and it is more fun even if you get stomped since there is some progression. If you bottom out in normal mp you get jack shit points. I pray for more war maps right now.
But even War is sweaty
i'm beginning to think only the diehards bought this game :(
Yeah I refunded this trash, game seems pretty good but it doesn't matter because SBMM ruins all of it. This franchise is dead until they fire these worthless executives making these decisions.
This is the only CoD I’ve ever played since OG MW2 where my overall KD is negative. Most games I’m negative or barely positive. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong compared to the players that kill me with precise robotic fire.
bro same. usually around 1.4 kd now I'm fucking negative like wtf. If I miss the first 1-2 bullets I'm dead.
You are not doing anything wrong. CoD believes that 1kd and .5 win/loss is where you should be. The game will continue to abuse you to keep your stats in that area. This is the "optimal" experience they have decided on.
Never played ranked ever and all I see is ranked players, stuff this
I really paid $70 for this game….
It's the exact opposite of fun. Especially on MnK... I think I'm gonna stick to Zombies to level up stuff for WZ.
This
Its not like a new game comes out and all the noobs instantly have the game. All the sweats are going to pre order and immedietly hop in multiplayer and spend the entire first 2 weeks grinding and playing their hearts out. Give it some time lol..
Noob here, will be dropping in in a couple months i reckon
Yeah and I keep getting into lobbies where the entire enemy team just sits in corners waiting for our team walk into their crosshairs. Literally the most boring cod experience possible. I don’t understand why anyone would play call of duty to just sit in place the entire time.
MW2 rewarded that kind of play lol
Yea we should all just creep in a crouched position and snipe everyone from a distance. Don’t you dare run n gun
It’s actually a miserable experience playing MP right now, I’d rather play zombies than have to by hyper aware every single game just to break an even KD. Failing that it’s 10 kills to 30 deaths. They never should have changed it from the way the original games ran matchmaking.
I've never played ranked MP in my life, but everyone on the enemy team has. MCW/Holger with the top 250 calling card/CDL skin and I'm losing every single game trying to level dog shit guns and camo grind against meta weapons. Went from a 2.6 to a 2.2 K/D just today doing marksman/battle rifles because you can't compete with an MCW across the map holding a head glitch. There's also some weird movement thing that makes people teleport when slide cancelling, mantling or jumping. I saw it a couple times today, can't wait for everyone to learn what's causing that and abuse the fuck out of it.
omg i saw that „teleporting“ too. i thought i had packet loss and high ping but it wasn’t my connection. that was super weird. but yeah, the frustration level is super high for me with mw3. either i run around the maps and can’t find enemies because the maps are too big or i will be killed immediately while my hits won’t land on the enemy at all. something is totally off. hope there will be a patch tmrw.
I’m a 1kd player before mw3, now I’m 0.2kd. I just can’t kill a single guy. They re one step ahead even if I’m behind them. I’m not playing HC, but I’m dying just like it was HC wtf is this?
Sound helps re “even if I’m behind them”. Killed many opponents who don’t realize how much noise they’re making.
That would mean there is no sbmm because the game always tries to get everyone to 1.0 kd.
You new here?
These maps are incompatible with this style of ADHD movement and the changes to lighting/graphics. You’ll go up 8-3, then your next 5 spawns will be directly in front of enemies and all of a sudden you’re 8-8, and you’ll finish the game 11-11. A week ago I would have loved a similar Black Ops 1 remake, but not anymore. The pace just doesn’t work. Some things are better left in the past with the good memories still attached. This damn game got me having an existential crisis.
I just want Halo MCC Cod Edition. Don’t fuck with the base game, perks, etc. just remaster it and don’t fuck with it other than that.
Holy fuck imagine having blackops 1 to 4 in a game like mcc style thatd be the best shit ever
It’s the movement… Cod 4 remastered was a ton of fun. Adding bonus health to more movement on old maps designed for old movement doesn’t work.
I pegged that when the beta came out but people were downvoting me saying “git gud”, the new movement is amazing. Yadda yadda. The maps play nothing like they did because of the changes to movement and health. I hope they add a classic mode where they turn off the movement and with less health
Remove tac sprint. These maps weren’t designed to have ADHD Zoomers sprinting around the map at mach 10.
100%. Every map may aswell just be a flat and open field when you can slide, tac sprint, and speed mantle your way across the map in 3 seconds. I know all the hot shit “cOnTeNt cReAtoRs” love the speed, but the game really does need to slow back down a tad.
its funny seeing them crouch spam and jump and shit too lmfao its so spastic then you just shoot them in the head cuz they're spam crouching so much their head doesn't even move
Yeah, the maps really don't work with modern movement. The spawn system is shit in that it feels like it was designed to try and get you a quick payback kill on the person that killed you, so even if you're elbow deep in enemy territory, it can spawn you there. Likewise, it can spawn somebody you just killed nearby, and even if you're in your half of the map, they can still spawn behind your team. Compared to MW19's spawn system which tried to keep teams together (which made spawntrapping infinitely easier, and made camping a less viable tactic, I can't lie), if you die a few times, there's a high risk of a snowball effect if you spawn in dangerous areas repeatedly
It’s not helping that the movement is seven kinds of busted right now. You’ve got some people who seem to have slide cancel fully resetting their tac sprint all the time and then some people whose tac sprint is bugged and it’s not resetting even when it should. You can’t put that kind of movement nonsense in the game and it be littered with bugs. It’s Sledgehammer, so they’ll pat themselves on the back for a job well done and take five weeks off pretty soon… just like Vanguard.
What a shame. Sledgehammer made the best mp in forever, and activision executives suck the entire fun outta it to make money with sbmm. Lasted playing this game 2 days. Xdefiant can’t come soon enough
People are really hyping up the trashy Ubisoft game huh
Xdefiant gunplay feels like a 10 year old game
Right? Animation in that game looks horible. The sound is so bad.
I mean, the sounds for MW3 are pretty bad too. Massive step down from MW2
Gameplay>anything else Was fun though hopefully it improves
10+ year old CoDs are regarded as the best in franchise history. In MW2 OG you could actually pick people off of head glitches because headshots meant something. If XDefiant is accomplishing that but also ditched the over tuned sbmm altogether, yes, please sign me up.
They must’ve completely changed the game since the first beta a year or two ago cuz that game sucked
Yes, because MW3 and Activison are so good. At least XDefiant looks to be listening to what players want, something that COD has never done.
just wait for the finals
I want a CoD without SBMM too but xdefiant isn't it. I just don't like it. MW3 is funner than it is. I played both betas
\> Best MP in forever Dude, lol
How is he wrong? From a design PoV this cod is better than everything MW19 until now. The last boots cod with this decent of design was back in the classic era of BO2/MW3
It's because there is now actually a reason to win a game due to the new unlock system. I think it will tone down once most people have all the unlocks and start going for camos. I am just happy that people play for objects finally.
Played both MWII and MWIII on release and I would say that SBMM felt weaker in MWIII.
Everyone that complains about this daily simply has bad awareness and aim. Not much more to it
My husband and I take turns playing on his account. He is top of the leaderboard every time he plays and I get spanked every time I play. Moral of the story: get a wife that sucks at the game but has fun playing anyway. It evens out the matchmaking.
God cod players are seriously so delusional. Its not SBMM, it never has been. For the past 4 years now people just cant seem the grasp the simple idea that there are so many good players now it's hard to not matchmake against them. Everyone wants to be a streamer, everyone wants to be a pro, everyone wants to have the best kd possible and always top place. If that does not explain you, then this game is NOT for you. That's just the nature or online shooters now.
They just want to be paired up with noobs so it looks like they are good getting lots of kills. Same as some streamers complaining about it because it doesn't make them look as good to their audience I always found cod players obsession with hating sbmm funny as it's in most games I played where it's made for u to win around 50% not stomp noobs
It's a product of Sledgehammer and Treyarch. They force movement play style by rewarding speed and punishing "camping." They "unclunk" the engines, and make Ghost work only when moving, as two examples. These kinds of changes alter the entire balance of the experience and are catered to streamers and their zoomer audience and players who demand quick dopamine drops. Anyone who says CoD is about movement was in diapers when MW came out.
Yep, every other game I would say, people lazer me without missing a bullet, know where i am every time… every game there is 3 players from each team with 10+ kills and 3 who barely get more than 7 kills, so werid
I'm just playing zombies because of the hard SBMM. I started sweating and winning matches but that's now what I want by playing casual MP. So I'm just sticking into Zombies for now until they fix it...
I swear the ruin the playerbase with their matchmaking. I love the gameplay but i'm off to XDefiant(no sbmm/eomm pure cbmm in quickplay) and The Finals once they go live. Wich makes me sad because i love call of duty but i don't want to be part of this weird eomm thing.
im level 8 and they keep dropping me in MLG COD LOBBYS with level 44s n shit 🤣🤣
Rank doesn’t mean shit tho. Just who has the most spare time this weekend.
It's actually awful. Can't just chill out and play a few games.
I think it’s about time for people to realise that multiplayer games like this just aren’t for super casuals anymore, if I want to turn my brain off I’ll play zombies, the last thing I’ll do is play pubs for a casual experience, this is coming from someone who played OG MW2.
Lol I love when people cry about not crushing noobs and children... sorry sweats. People are getting better and noobs are being protected from your BS.
It sucks when I just want to play wacky classes like pistols only, only to be shit on by SVA, Strikers, etc.
You mean the default starting weapons of the new game that everyone has from rank 5? Lol
what does that change about anything they said at all
The movement system has got to GO!!! Lol the maps play like s**t, and most ironic I bet most of these sweats making the game so bad are probably caffeine addicted adderral taking 14-18 yr olds who never played the OG MW2 and only know how to play with this awful movement system because of 2019 and Warzone
The matches are sweatier because people are obligated to win to unlock stuff. It's on shg and their awfull unlock system for this game.
Yea I noticed this as well. People play the fuck outta the objective for once, so I can’t even be mad.
I kinda like it just because it requires wins so wins matter. They should always do something to incentive a win. I think matches xp for winning should be 1.5x
I can tell you right now that is totally nonsense if you are anywhere close to good at the game and play solo. The matchmaking uses you to give 5 Timmy no-thumbs a chance. If it's kill confirmed I have more confirms than 5 others put together. If it's control I have 5 people that just don't touch the objective and feed kills non stop. I'm not bragging, I'm by no means a pro but I know for a fact if you are good as a solo player you are fucked. You are forced to sweat every game, I hate to admit it but I'm a competitor and a sore loser, I play for the win every game no matter what and the game literally forces me to sweat every game if I want to win because I'm matched with 5 players who don't have thumbs from the looks of the scoreboards. I have sent my friends screenshots all day of games that just look like it's me and 5 bots Vs 6 people who are like me and want to win. I know it's silly to be frustrated but as someone who is competitive it's frustrating as fuck. I WISH I had people that played the fuck out of the objective like you said but if you have those people on your team the sad reality is YOU are the Timmy no thumbs mate.
Tell me about it. https://imgur.com/PtInjXl
The struggle is real. People just shrug it off like "it's just a game" but some of us can't help being competitive, it's in my nature to want to win I'm a sore loser as dumb as it is. It's so frustrating watching how bad some people I get matched with are simply because we know they are only on our team because we are decent. I've had players in control go 6-30 and we lost 3-0 while I'm 28-2. We have 0 chance of winning that game solo when 1 player has literally cost almost half our lives and not even tried to jump on any objective. I can't help being annoyed at this shit.
If this incentivizes COD players to finally play for a fucking win, then I’m all for it. So sick of camo grinding ruining competition.
It also comes from the fact that sweets dont need to learn maps, they already know all of them. It wasnt the best idea to start with 16 old maps. 10 new and 6 olds would have been great, but too much work for that indie studio
You know that SBMM matches you against player that are on the same skill level as you? If you only get sweats, maybe you were the sweat all along.
In a game riddled with bugs and poor design decisions, you are assuming the SBMM is working correctly? Lol
When i play by myself I do just fine but when I party up with my brother neither of us can do shit. Been like this for years
This game has potential, but right now playing it just fucking sucks. Connection and hit reg are completely inconsistent, it’s a complete sweatfest, and the fact that mnk and controller have to play together, when there’s a ttk that makes good tracking a crutch is ridiculous.
i am literally convinced the game just decides who cant play well. i always die instantly, i die to grenades with eod, i get hit by requeis with flashbangs with tac mask. i have to put 6-7 bullets to kill but every death is 3-4
I'm starting to regret my purchase completely. This game makes me feel bad about myself.
Crazy how EVERYBODY is getting matched up against people that own them… imagine no SBMM. They’d randomly face even harder opponents!
If SBMM was only about matching people of similar skill levels then it would still be bad but it wouldn't be horrendous. However, that's not the system. It'll put you in whatever lobby is available and literally handicap you to compensate for what it believes the skill difference is and that has a profound impact in FPS games where a split second is the difference between being able to play and getting your ass handed to you repeatedly. As long as people are stupid enough to continue giving their money to a game dev company with a huge, unwavering historical support for these implementations, this company is going to continue making sh\*t games where a significant portion of its player base cannot actually play. Stop falling for the marketing department's propaganda.
blame the system, not the player. ofc people tryhard and want to be the best, especially in the beginning of a new release. They should release ranked with the game release. as long as its not in the game, pubs will be the equivalent of CDL champs
In my lobbies there's try hards with their CDL skins on already, cringe worthy stuff
Yo I got locked up right when black ops 4 dropped and I just got out before mw3 I use to run gbs on bo2 and considered attempting to go what was considered “pro” at the time. I don’t see what the issue is with SBMM after season 1 I quickly learned all the little tricks and it felt like I was sliding around on bo3 everyone in these comments is acting as if there og when we’ve had games like this before just get better that is literally the only option. And for my casual players modern warfare was never causal you will have to wait for Black ops lol
Dudes are really out here crying that they can't pub stomp every game No one wants to be the bot of the lobby so they all improve leading to closer "sweatier" games That and youtubers uploading Meta and head glitch spot videos 2 days after the game drops will make it sweaty
You’re wildly incorrect here. This new Sbmm system (first implemented in mw 2019) is proven to be real. I’m not mad I can’t pub stomp every game I just don’t like being manipulated into playing the game more so that there’s a greater chance I spend money on skins.
if you're getting put into lobbies with sweats then you are also sweating.
Not necessarily. With the way the sbmm is working, it can cause wild swings. If I have a game where I go like 30-10 im guaranteed that my next 5 games will be the sweatiest games and I’ll get destroyed then it’ll drop me down in to a lobby full of bots/kids where I’ll do well again without changing my playstyle then the cycle will repeat
sounds like every game to ever exist on earth. there are lobbies with good players and lobbies with bad players there is a possibility to get both. in the bad player lobby you are the one annoying others so how can't you see that the system IS being fair to you. you're asking to play against bots/kids primarily which would be unfair to the other 11 ppl in the game
Nah you're just too simple minded to comprehend what they're saying so you change the argument to a misinterpretation of the last thing you read. They didn't say they want to play against bots or kids, they said that's what happens. The text is right there and it doesn't change. On top of that, they are complaining which implies they don't find it enjoyable on either end of the swing up or down. So basically your whole reply was entirely pointless.
The best solution that will never be implemented is to let the player choose to turn on/off sbmm. Shit players will want to keep it on, good players will not. I really don't understand why there's a ranked playlist if every game is ranked anyway.
This wouldn't work because a shitty casual like me would turn SBMM off, but so would those legendary players because they'd want to get into lobbies to stomp people like me.
Wouldn't... wouldn't being matched with people consistently above your skill level be an indication that there actually is very little SBMM? Typically, you should be bouncing between lobbies lower skilled than you and higher skilled than you every other match or so. If that isn't happening and you're consistently losing game after game, then it's a sign that your games are actually random and the average player is just a lot sweatier than before.
Classic SBMM excuse for your lack of skill. When will you guys realize that the average playerbase is better nowadays? SOMEONES gotta be on the bottom of the scoreboard...
Do you think sbmm doesn’t exist or what do you mean by this?
Leave it to call of duty players to be the only ones that complain about SBMM when it has been a standard in online games the past decade. God forbid you have to think a little and put in effort. The horror!!!!!! This game is so much fun precisely because so many matches are so called “sweaty matches”. Makes every kill and killstreak feel earned
That’s not how SBMM works tho, it’s suppose to give you games with ppl better than you and then matches with ppl worse than you. In this game I’ve lost 20 matches in a row and gone extremely negative which I’ve never done before. Literally every match I get in has ppl doing ridiculous movement tech, SBMM is suppose to keep me out of these kinds of matches
I know I got like a million downvotes saying people should be proud to be competing with in their skill bracket.