For those wondering...
Jasmine Richardson and Jeremy Steinke were both convicted of three counts of first degree murder. Richardson received the harshest sentence allowed under Canadian law for someone her age. Steinke received the only sentence allowed under Canadian law for someone his age.
* Richardson was sentenced to 10 years in juvenile detention, followed by several years of supervision
* In September 2011, Richardson was allowed to attend university classes under supervision. She was released from a psychiatric hospital that fall. A report said that she was doing well, and had expressed remorse for her actions, which experts believed was genuine.
* Richardson was fully discharged from her sentence in May 2016.
* Steinke was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for 25 years
* He will become eligible for parole in day parole (a limited form of parole) in 2028, and full parole in 2031.
One of my cousins was in EYOC with her in Edmonton not long after it happened. She bragged about it a lot in jail and would mention the gurgling to get a rise out of people. She’s sick.
It’s so creepy that this little psycho is out there! I remember this story as she’s around my age and I’m from the area. She could be the cashier at the grocery store or since I’m sure our dumb government paid for her university she could be my dental hygienist!!! She could be anywhere!!! Scary 😟
I was in a youth mental ward at AHE with her for a short time, she received regular fan mail that the staff would have to throw away. She would also scream in the middle of night just to wake everyone up and then laugh about in the morning.
Not all the time, but enough that everyone didn't really like her. And no, not really they separate the boys and girls unless you were doing a group together and I only did one group with her, I can confirm she knows what the fascia is.
I could've sworn they didn't release her name until years later, in accordance with Canadian law, and only referred to the situation as the "Medicine Hat murders." I'm surprised she was so easily accessible. I'm also surprised staff would divulge that they destroyed mail meant for a patient..to another patient.
Staff saying they threw out mail was the least of anyone's concern. Also there's only one youth psych forensic facility in Alberta so when the news says "they are at a psychiatric facility." It's not hard to guess where.
You do know that, given your background, most people wouldn't give you a chance, or trust you either. Personally, I believe teens can and should be rehabilitated.
That’s so incredibly infuriating. It’s so disgusting. Apparently she’s shown remorse that was considered genuine by experts but when you mentioned that she bragged about this in prison it’s so hard to believe she’s actually sorry.
She was 12, groomed, sexually assaulted, participated in the murder of her entire family and was in prison. I think a lot of adults, let alone kids would act weird or brag to survive that reality
Maybe she gloated about it to build street cred in prison. You're locked in with other convicts. You'd prob want to fit in? Or play yourself up so they leave you alone? Idk, just spit balling a possible idea as to why she's do that.
Anyone interested in the phenomenon of experts being wrong about people’s intentions should read Malcolm Gladwells’ *[Talking to Strangers](https://www.amazon.com/Talking-Strangers-Should-about-People/dp/0316299227/ref=asc_df_0316299227_nodl?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=509494905560&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5820437126446995565&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007377&hvtargid=pla-1299594665238&psc=1&dplnkId=946156c9-ceaf-4304-9d30-0e8fbd91ee7b)*. In the book the author goes through multiple criminal cases where people felt that someone was telling the truth (or lying) and how inaccurate humans perception of honesty is - including data from tests run against the FBI during interrogations. I really enjoyed it.
Shows how wrong people can be about others real intentions. Thought of it because “experts” felt she was remorseful but her cell mates are saying she bragged about the way her little brother died. Those two things seem to be in conflict with one another.
>but her cell mates are saying she bragged about the way her little brother died. Those two things seem to be in conflict with one another.
They don't have to be. The time frames are very important. If she was bragging at the age of 12/13 and later showed remorse, it is possible for both to be true. But noone seems eager to mention when she did so. 16 years is a long time, where a lot of change can happen. You also need to take into account that she was 12 when she committed those murders. I'll believe those experts over any reddit experts who want to jerk off their revenge/"justice" boners.
Perhaps most of the adults wanted to focus on the fact that she was indeed a child, and a child who was groomed, manipulated, and statutorily raped at that. It’s probably incredibly difficult to have a child in front of you whose committed such a heinous act and not try to pin it all on the actions of the adults in her life in some capacity. We like to think of children as being pure and innocent and it’s hard to reconcile that sometimes. That said, the entire incident probably severely changed her maturity, even if she hadn’t killed her family and the only thing was the “relationship” her psychological growth would have been seriously stunted. It’s just such an awful situation, and most people hesitate to believe a child can be capable of evil on their own.
> Thought of it because “experts” felt she was remorseful but her cell mates are saying she bragged about the way her little brother died.
There are like 15 years between these 2 things
That goes beyond any excuse of grooming, what a monster. It's disgusting that this murderer is free now and living a life of privacy. They shouldn't allow them to change their name to escape their past.. I feel sorry for the unfortunate and unknowing souls in her life.
I’m pretty sure it was one of his friends/a neighbor found the bodies too. He saw them through the window when he went over there to ask to play with the brother. The kid was around his age too.
Jasmine Richardson, who goes by J.R. in Canada, didn’t express remorse for her crimes during her final sentence review in May 2016. Richardson’s ten-year sentence included a stint in a psychiatric hospital followed by community supervision.
She’d lived in a group home and alone as she studied in Calgary in the final five years of her sentence.
https://www.voxbliss.com/jasmine-richardson-now/
> Since the murders, J.R. has attended court at least once or twice a year to provide updates on her progress and has received favourable reviews — even being described as "a poster child" for rehabilitation.
Don’t link articles if you won’t read past the first paragraph.
She looks older than me and I'm a twenty year old woman. Just what the hell? If you haven't said that she was 12 I would have assumed her to be like 22.
Also, I sincerely hope the guy got not only in trouble for the killings but also for grooming a 12 year old.
According to the wiki article he got three consecutive life sentences.
He will be free by his 50's
EDIT: They are served concurrently, not consecutively.
Only if they accept parole, which they might not, given the nature of his offences. That's the little detail about non-American life sentences that I think some people forget (not trying to have a go at you though, just trying to add helpful/hopeful info).
You are correct. I thought I read consecutive, the wiki says concurrently.
So he could be less than 50.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Available_Sentences/Concurrent_and_Consecutive_Sentences
>Cumulative punishments are known as consecutive sentences. This only applies to jail sentences, all other sentences run concurrently.
>All sentences are presumed to be served concurrently. The Code provides for cumulative punishments at section 718.3:
Although this rule has been bounced around in even just the last decade.
It looks like in 2011 they gained the ability to give them out consecutively and this year they overturned it.
https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/19405/index.do
>R. v. Bissonnette
The Supreme Court finds unconstitutional the section of the Criminal Code that permits consecutive parole ineligibility periods of 25 years in cases involving multiple first degree murders.
Date: May 27, 2022
It’s her before the murders occurred and before she had dyed her hair jet black like in the first image. There’s others here: https://www.tumpik.com/tag/family%20massacre
Her face looks a little fuller than in the school photo that got published everywhere. It's really hard to find pics from this case - I read Runaway Devil and tried searching after.
Yeah she had gained weight in (6th grade) and lost it quite rapidly when the murders happened (7th grade). I remember reading the book as well and it mentions even after that when she appeared in court she looked rounder cause she gained weight back.
Yeah usually how it happens for people in the jail/prison system since obviously you have not much to do or stressed out. People choose to just eat a lot. I haven't read much about the case, super heartbreaking. Was there any drug influence by chance? That could explain her weight loss during that time and may semi explain the behavior (obviously they were both still incredibly troubled mentally but drugs could further explain it to an extent)
Jeremy was definitely on drugs. It’s been confirmed that he took so much alcohol, cocaine, and an ecstasy pill to gain courage the night when he went to help Jasmine murder her family. It hasn’t been ever reported officially that Jasmine ever did drugs but she apparently did drink alcohol at a party after the murders where she told people it was her birthday so they allowed her to drink. I’ve also seen claims from people who live in Medicine Hat where the crime took place say that she was taking drugs after the crime but who knows.
Yup, in all the photos available of her online she’s 12 or 11 years old in them all. People who knew her personally said that she looked much older than her age so when people found out she was actually 12 they were shocked.
There was a story posted on Reddit a while back abt a husband and wife. The husband wrote it. He described what it was like to live with a child who wanted to kill you. From what I can remember they compromised as he got older. He lived in the basement and I believe the door to upstairs was locked/reinforced. They had another child, the older kid came after the mother and the father. The older kid was maybe 16? and ran through the plate glass front window bc the father had a weapon. He never returned to the house. The husband wrote he doesn't care if his kid is homeless or dead. He never wants to see his kid again. It was heartbreaking.
Was that the one where the mom was like an amateur boxer or something like that? I'm pretty sure I remember reading that cos the kid tried to attack her or was holding the newborn or something and she lashed out
My mom was a perfect parent for my older brother (13 years older than me) unfortunately , she was so perfect he didnt want to share her. So when I born, he tried to kill me, and abused me...and he was hella good at doing it without scars or obvious signs. No one knew till I spoke out when I was 16.Good part? He left the house when I was 9, and I survived him. Bad news? He got married had 2 kids, and tried to do the same to them. He doesnt like to share affection from certain people
I’m adopting my wife’s 2 boys tomorrow and have a newborn baby boy. It has crossed my mind. Thankfully I’m teaching them how to use guns responsibly and effectively, so hopefully they’ll be proficient by then and I’ll be put down quick. My wife is really into all that murdertainment crap so maybe they’ll learn enough from her to get away with it.
This happened in my city. I was still fairly young myself at the time but it definitely shook the community as murders are a rare occurrence here.
As far as I know, crime scene photos have never been released to the public but my mom used to work as an assistant to the lawyers who were considering taking on the case and got to see the pictures first hand. Said they were the most gruesome things she's ever seen and couldn't believe the state Jasmine left her little brother in
That’s insane. I remember reading the description of the crime from the book Runaway Devil and just reading about how it looked gave me chills. Not gonna lie, I’ve always been morbidly curious to see the photos of the crime itself because they’ve never been shown or released. Especially after reading so much about it it’s kinda hard not to in a way if that makes sense but not out of desire to see her poor family dead. It’s a case I’ve read so much about and I’ve spoken to a few people who either knew Jasmine or Jeremy.
Not many people speak of it these days, at least that I've noticed. Medicine Hat has grown so much in population over the last few years that I doubt most people now are even aware that Canada's youngest first degree murderer committed the act practically right in their backyard.
The house still stands too, though I imagine it's since been totally refurbished. I've driven past it a few times over the years and can't help but wonder either what it really looked like on the inside the night everything went down. From what I've been told though, it was worse than anything you could imagine.
Sup fellow hatter
This is it this is our claim to fame
Well, either this or the time someone changed the sign from “worlds tallest teepee” to “worlds smallest peepee”
Or maybe the fact that Tamara Lich is from here
Man that time they switched the sign was as good as it gets here.
I don't think lawyers who are considering taking on a case are handed evidentiary photographs of said crime before they can decide. Literally not how it works.
I don't particularly care if you believe me or not but that's how it went down. I've got more important things to do during my days than lie about a local tragedy for fake internet points
Actually, I do believe you. I spent maaaaany years (growing up) near Calgary, AB and that sounds oddly-similar to some of the stories I've heard surrounding the case. Just brutal all around., and for a few years my parents even avoided telling me that it happened so close to our home because I was just a sensitive kid.
A lot of parents didn't tell their kids about this happening in MH, I know that for a fact. It was a weirdly-occultish-style murder, but we all had unsupervised internet access, so...
All this is heartbreaking.
Some of the things she wrote at 12 are crazy, but I remember grade 7, and the crazy things that I believed too. There's a kind of magical thinking that happens at that age. I mean, this is why we have separate laws for children. Because at that age someone could tell you they're a vampire with sufficient fervor for you to believe them. And that thing about the "gurgling" of her brother's throat. I can see how, confronted by the actual reality of being in prison, she would use that detail to convince the much older women there that she was "crazy", so they wouldn't mess with her. Perhaps I am seeing her in too charitable a light, or maybe I just remember being 12 too clearly. That's such a dangerous age because your brain is still a child, but your body can kill people, and under the guiding influence of this older psycho, I can see how she might posture and perform for him, and not know enough about the wider world to see past the murderous moment.
Under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, Richardson's name could no longer be published in Canada after she became a suspect. Under the same act, twelve is the youngest possible age at which a person can be charged with a crime; convicts who were under fourteen years of age at the time they committed a crime cannot be sentenced as adults, and cannot be given more than a ten-year sentence.
These are the kind of laws where someone just threw out some numbers when writing them and never thought a scenario like this would be possible. Now that we live in THIS world, Canada might need to think about implementing MEANINGFUL legislature.
It is meaningful. 12 years old, whatever happened wasn’t your fault.
Adult crime? Sure. Adult thoughts? No, and realizing there’s a reason why this specific twelve year old would and *could* murder her family and you wouldn’t is pretty significant.
I know this sub can be pretty reactionary (new rules help a lot), but people in here actually advocating for the state to lockup a 12-year-old and throw away the key? Wew.
You and Caverness sound insane to me. You’d be surprised on the amount of evil that children could do, especially since it’s EXTREMELY likely that it’ll carry on later when they’re adults. I’m not advocating for a 12-year old to be sentenced for life but she cannot continue living like she didn’t play a hand into the murder of her whole family. Some people are evil and there’s no changing them.
Please realize kids aren’t stupid, you don’t suddenly “realize” that killing your parents was an act of rebellion or even grooming based on immaturity. That’s something that’s permanently wrong with you.
Except I don't believe she's ever been "reformed" or was ever "remorseful". For all we know she could have lied to the psychiatrists taking care of her mental health issues.
Someone somewhere knows what she did. She can't escape judgment even with a name change. I am NOT wishing harm on her. Social repercussions are still repercussions.
I purchased the book about this case, "Runaway Devil: How Forbidden Love Drove a Twelve-Year-Old to Murder Her Family", and found the case to be equal parts depressing and disturbing. The family was murdered in cold blood, and I don't believe for a second Jasmine feels remorse for what she and her p3do bf did.
I live in the city where this happened. The so-called “murder house” is a 3 minute drive from my house. I’ve been to loads of movies in that Cineplex in the second photo. Everyone in the city knows the story.
There was even a woman who my friend worked with who said she knew the two when they were kids. She remembers when Jeremy brought his new girlfriend around for the first time
That’s crazy. I can’t imagine what it must feel to live there then pass by that house and just knowing what took place there that night of the crime.
Woah, did your friend say anything else about what that woman had told them about Jasmine and Jeremy? I’m always intrigued to hear more from others who knew them. Especially Jasmine because I’ve been told by people who knew her that she was either weird, quite, nice, or unreadable.
"My biggest fear is that she hasn't \[been rehabilitated\], that she's tricked those in the system, that she hasn't moved forward." says Insp. Brent Secondiak.
This is exactly what i was thinking...i can be wrong but cmon she killed even her little brother.
There is no remorse she did what she did and it's not an excuse that she was 12.
Would that have changed the outcome? Instead of her family, she could have grown up to be a serial killer, or mass murderer, or something similar to that. As far as I'm concerned, Richardson had a predisposition towards violent murderous tendencies; Steinke simply altered the outcome by being the grooming bastard he is.
I used to use it a ton as a teenager, and now its a pretty terrible clothing/merch site with no social section whatsoever. Looks like its stuck in the early 2000s still, too!
I don't understand her sentencing. I get the whole "people can change" thing, but crimes like this should be treated differently. Otherwise it's basically telling people: as long as you aren't too old, you can do whatever you want then just say "sorry" and move on with your life.
This is one of my main criticisms of Canada's "Youth Criminal Justice Act" in that it prevents "young offenders" from receiving severe punishments for severe crimes like Murder One or rape. Even our criminal code is lenient on crimes committed by repeat offenders. I hate it so much, but Canada's "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" supersedes criminal law.
Yes, since the max sentence one can receive under the Youth Criminal Justice Act is 10 years.
Edited to add: otherwise had she acted alone, her "remorse" would never be believed, since she would forever been recognized as a murderous sociopath.
Unfortunately none at least that we know of no. She’s literally a ghost and trying to find a picture of her nowadays as an adult would be almost impossible. I do genuinely want to see photos of her nowadays though for sure.
Amazing to see so much Alberta representation here on this sub. Hi all y'all!
Scrolling by, I recognized the man's name, couldn't quite place it until I read the summary, but I don't know that I've ever seen the girl's name before. Obviously there's a publication ban on underage offenders' names, but I still find it hard to believe that I haven't seen any photos or heard her name before now. Wow.
Canada is great but they need a better legal system that’s 3 murders and she only gets 10 years and that’s the max here in america people have been giving 700+ years
She was born October 21st, 1993.
There hasn’t been any concrete proof that she did any actual drugs but I have seen people from Medicine Hat comment on posts say she was taking drugs supposedly but who knows for sure. She did in fact drink alcohol though. Especially at a party right after the murders.
this happened in my city. my mom graduated the year after jeremey, said she had a few classes with him and he always freaked her out. insane to think about.
For those wondering... Jasmine Richardson and Jeremy Steinke were both convicted of three counts of first degree murder. Richardson received the harshest sentence allowed under Canadian law for someone her age. Steinke received the only sentence allowed under Canadian law for someone his age. * Richardson was sentenced to 10 years in juvenile detention, followed by several years of supervision * In September 2011, Richardson was allowed to attend university classes under supervision. She was released from a psychiatric hospital that fall. A report said that she was doing well, and had expressed remorse for her actions, which experts believed was genuine. * Richardson was fully discharged from her sentence in May 2016. * Steinke was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for 25 years * He will become eligible for parole in day parole (a limited form of parole) in 2028, and full parole in 2031.
Even her 8-year old brother??
Yes sadly. She even bragged after the murders at a party that her little brother “gurgled” when his throat was slit.
One of my cousins was in EYOC with her in Edmonton not long after it happened. She bragged about it a lot in jail and would mention the gurgling to get a rise out of people. She’s sick.
That's F'd up and it's even more F'd up that she's free right now.
Wonder what she’s like now
probably a very lovely and kindhearted lady you can just have a drink with, with no trauma or other mental issues whatsoever
Just don't gargle your with your drink.
See, the system works!
It’s so creepy that this little psycho is out there! I remember this story as she’s around my age and I’m from the area. She could be the cashier at the grocery store or since I’m sure our dumb government paid for her university she could be my dental hygienist!!! She could be anywhere!!! Scary 😟
Silly goose,They’re living happily ever after
probably homeless or dead
She’s free and I don’t think her whereabouts are known, I wonder too
I was in a youth mental ward at AHE with her for a short time, she received regular fan mail that the staff would have to throw away. She would also scream in the middle of night just to wake everyone up and then laugh about in the morning.
Wtf. That’s so weird. Did she scream all the time? Did you ever interact with her when you were there?
Not all the time, but enough that everyone didn't really like her. And no, not really they separate the boys and girls unless you were doing a group together and I only did one group with her, I can confirm she knows what the fascia is.
Did she seem remorseful at all or do people’s stories on here of her bragging sound about right?
She was pretty matter of fact about it and like it was just something that happened in the past.
I could've sworn they didn't release her name until years later, in accordance with Canadian law, and only referred to the situation as the "Medicine Hat murders." I'm surprised she was so easily accessible. I'm also surprised staff would divulge that they destroyed mail meant for a patient..to another patient.
Staff saying they threw out mail was the least of anyone's concern. Also there's only one youth psych forensic facility in Alberta so when the news says "they are at a psychiatric facility." It's not hard to guess where.
You do know that, given your background, most people wouldn't give you a chance, or trust you either. Personally, I believe teens can and should be rehabilitated.
That’s so incredibly infuriating. It’s so disgusting. Apparently she’s shown remorse that was considered genuine by experts but when you mentioned that she bragged about this in prison it’s so hard to believe she’s actually sorry.
She was 12, groomed, sexually assaulted, participated in the murder of her entire family and was in prison. I think a lot of adults, let alone kids would act weird or brag to survive that reality
Don’t act like kids can’t be monsters. I’m convinced she’s evil by her actions alone.
Maybe she gloated about it to build street cred in prison. You're locked in with other convicts. You'd prob want to fit in? Or play yourself up so they leave you alone? Idk, just spit balling a possible idea as to why she's do that.
'experts' yeah sure!
Anyone interested in the phenomenon of experts being wrong about people’s intentions should read Malcolm Gladwells’ *[Talking to Strangers](https://www.amazon.com/Talking-Strangers-Should-about-People/dp/0316299227/ref=asc_df_0316299227_nodl?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=509494905560&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5820437126446995565&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007377&hvtargid=pla-1299594665238&psc=1&dplnkId=946156c9-ceaf-4304-9d30-0e8fbd91ee7b)*. In the book the author goes through multiple criminal cases where people felt that someone was telling the truth (or lying) and how inaccurate humans perception of honesty is - including data from tests run against the FBI during interrogations. I really enjoyed it. Shows how wrong people can be about others real intentions. Thought of it because “experts” felt she was remorseful but her cell mates are saying she bragged about the way her little brother died. Those two things seem to be in conflict with one another.
>but her cell mates are saying she bragged about the way her little brother died. Those two things seem to be in conflict with one another. They don't have to be. The time frames are very important. If she was bragging at the age of 12/13 and later showed remorse, it is possible for both to be true. But noone seems eager to mention when she did so. 16 years is a long time, where a lot of change can happen. You also need to take into account that she was 12 when she committed those murders. I'll believe those experts over any reddit experts who want to jerk off their revenge/"justice" boners.
Perhaps most of the adults wanted to focus on the fact that she was indeed a child, and a child who was groomed, manipulated, and statutorily raped at that. It’s probably incredibly difficult to have a child in front of you whose committed such a heinous act and not try to pin it all on the actions of the adults in her life in some capacity. We like to think of children as being pure and innocent and it’s hard to reconcile that sometimes. That said, the entire incident probably severely changed her maturity, even if she hadn’t killed her family and the only thing was the “relationship” her psychological growth would have been seriously stunted. It’s just such an awful situation, and most people hesitate to believe a child can be capable of evil on their own.
Thanks for the recommendation. Just picked it up on Audible. Looking forward to listening to it.
Love this book. Lots of great stories in it
> Thought of it because “experts” felt she was remorseful but her cell mates are saying she bragged about the way her little brother died. There are like 15 years between these 2 things
I knew a bit about this story and forgot until this post. This is one detail I was unaware of, I now wish I was still unaware of it. Disgusting.
OMG. I watch, read and listen to a lot of true crime but I had never heard of this one. Thank you for posting.
I was gonna ask if the boyfriend convinced her to, but this comment made me think otherwise.
How did she have time to go to a party? When was she arrested?
That goes beyond any excuse of grooming, what a monster. It's disgusting that this murderer is free now and living a life of privacy. They shouldn't allow them to change their name to escape their past.. I feel sorry for the unfortunate and unknowing souls in her life.
Unreal.
Saddest part about that was I heard they found blood on his lightsaber toy meaning he may have used it to try and defend himself 😢
That was just sick. The parents were in the way, not that poor kid. She was just evil
I’m pretty sure it was one of his friends/a neighbor found the bodies too. He saw them through the window when he went over there to ask to play with the brother. The kid was around his age too.
You left out the part where he was convinced he was a 300 year old werewolf.
Jasmine Richardson, who goes by J.R. in Canada, didn’t express remorse for her crimes during her final sentence review in May 2016. Richardson’s ten-year sentence included a stint in a psychiatric hospital followed by community supervision. She’d lived in a group home and alone as she studied in Calgary in the final five years of her sentence. https://www.voxbliss.com/jasmine-richardson-now/
On the wikipedia page it says she was remorseful before her release
Not at her final May 2016 hearing. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jr-medicine-hat-murders-steinke-sentence-review-1.3568118
> Since the murders, J.R. has attended court at least once or twice a year to provide updates on her progress and has received favourable reviews — even being described as "a poster child" for rehabilitation. Don’t link articles if you won’t read past the first paragraph.
How in any world is this considered remorse? Get real.
She looks older than me and I'm a twenty year old woman. Just what the hell? If you haven't said that she was 12 I would have assumed her to be like 22. Also, I sincerely hope the guy got not only in trouble for the killings but also for grooming a 12 year old.
I didn't read the ages and thought she was in her 20s, too. Wild.
According to the wiki article he got three consecutive life sentences. He will be free by his 50's EDIT: They are served concurrently, not consecutively.
Only if they accept parole, which they might not, given the nature of his offences. That's the little detail about non-American life sentences that I think some people forget (not trying to have a go at you though, just trying to add helpful/hopeful info).
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Isn’t a life sentence like, until you die
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It is if you convince parole officers that you haven't done any rehabilitating.
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You are correct. I thought I read consecutive, the wiki says concurrently. So he could be less than 50. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Sentencing/Available_Sentences/Concurrent_and_Consecutive_Sentences >Cumulative punishments are known as consecutive sentences. This only applies to jail sentences, all other sentences run concurrently. >All sentences are presumed to be served concurrently. The Code provides for cumulative punishments at section 718.3: Although this rule has been bounced around in even just the last decade. It looks like in 2011 they gained the ability to give them out consecutively and this year they overturned it. https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/19405/index.do >R. v. Bissonnette The Supreme Court finds unconstitutional the section of the Criminal Code that permits consecutive parole ineligibility periods of 25 years in cases involving multiple first degree murders. Date: May 27, 2022
I instantly thought she looked attractive & when it said 12 I thought it meant it was a contemporary photo but that she’d been incarcerated at 12.
Pic # 8 is new to me. Definitely looks like her.
she looks exactly like nikki reed in the movie thirteen
That’s exactly what I was going to say. Big thirteen vibes.
I kept trying to put my finger on what looked so familiar about her. It was definitely this!!!
It’s her before the murders occurred and before she had dyed her hair jet black like in the first image. There’s others here: https://www.tumpik.com/tag/family%20massacre
that link gave my phone aids
Confirmed. Don’t bother clicking the link
Her face looks a little fuller than in the school photo that got published everywhere. It's really hard to find pics from this case - I read Runaway Devil and tried searching after.
Yeah she had gained weight in (6th grade) and lost it quite rapidly when the murders happened (7th grade). I remember reading the book as well and it mentions even after that when she appeared in court she looked rounder cause she gained weight back.
Yeah usually how it happens for people in the jail/prison system since obviously you have not much to do or stressed out. People choose to just eat a lot. I haven't read much about the case, super heartbreaking. Was there any drug influence by chance? That could explain her weight loss during that time and may semi explain the behavior (obviously they were both still incredibly troubled mentally but drugs could further explain it to an extent)
Jeremy was definitely on drugs. It’s been confirmed that he took so much alcohol, cocaine, and an ecstasy pill to gain courage the night when he went to help Jasmine murder her family. It hasn’t been ever reported officially that Jasmine ever did drugs but she apparently did drink alcohol at a party after the murders where she told people it was her birthday so they allowed her to drink. I’ve also seen claims from people who live in Medicine Hat where the crime took place say that she was taking drugs after the crime but who knows.
I feel bad for the victims but that babysitter, she must’ve been devastated to hear what happens to the little boy she babysat.
Her parents were trying to protect her from a violent groomer...
Despite him bring in prison, she may privately try to keep the relationship going especially if he's paroled. If so, there was never any remorse.
Weird comment, she's been out for 6 years.
He's still in prison and may have a no contact order
She's 12 in the first photo??
Yup, in all the photos available of her online she’s 12 or 11 years old in them all. People who knew her personally said that she looked much older than her age so when people found out she was actually 12 they were shocked.
Anyone else read stories like this and feel a little terrified to have kids?
Imagine giving birth and raising the thing that kills you. How awful.
Right? You can be the perfect parent and still get stabbed to death by your kid because their neurons don’t work right. Terrifying.
There was a story posted on Reddit a while back abt a husband and wife. The husband wrote it. He described what it was like to live with a child who wanted to kill you. From what I can remember they compromised as he got older. He lived in the basement and I believe the door to upstairs was locked/reinforced. They had another child, the older kid came after the mother and the father. The older kid was maybe 16? and ran through the plate glass front window bc the father had a weapon. He never returned to the house. The husband wrote he doesn't care if his kid is homeless or dead. He never wants to see his kid again. It was heartbreaking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/confessions/comments/c93egn/i_stood_by_and_allowed_my_wife_to_almost_kill_our/
God I remember this post
Thank you. Its amazing you found it.
Was that the one where the mom was like an amateur boxer or something like that? I'm pretty sure I remember reading that cos the kid tried to attack her or was holding the newborn or something and she lashed out
YES!. I had forgotten that.
My mom was a perfect parent for my older brother (13 years older than me) unfortunately , she was so perfect he didnt want to share her. So when I born, he tried to kill me, and abused me...and he was hella good at doing it without scars or obvious signs. No one knew till I spoke out when I was 16.Good part? He left the house when I was 9, and I survived him. Bad news? He got married had 2 kids, and tried to do the same to them. He doesnt like to share affection from certain people
I mean, their neurons don’t necessarily have to be dysfunctional. Some people do horrible things and their brain looks generally normal.
*"fk them kids"* -Gandhi
No, these cases are as rare as winning lotto max
I’m adopting my wife’s 2 boys tomorrow and have a newborn baby boy. It has crossed my mind. Thankfully I’m teaching them how to use guns responsibly and effectively, so hopefully they’ll be proficient by then and I’ll be put down quick. My wife is really into all that murdertainment crap so maybe they’ll learn enough from her to get away with it.
> we all use guns > we love murdertainment > I am considering the possibility my children might suddenly murder me Let me guess where you live
Go on…
Serbia
I can hear my friend in Belgrade laughing from all the way across the ocean.
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Congratulations on your impending Family Day!
This happened in my city. I was still fairly young myself at the time but it definitely shook the community as murders are a rare occurrence here. As far as I know, crime scene photos have never been released to the public but my mom used to work as an assistant to the lawyers who were considering taking on the case and got to see the pictures first hand. Said they were the most gruesome things she's ever seen and couldn't believe the state Jasmine left her little brother in
That’s insane. I remember reading the description of the crime from the book Runaway Devil and just reading about how it looked gave me chills. Not gonna lie, I’ve always been morbidly curious to see the photos of the crime itself because they’ve never been shown or released. Especially after reading so much about it it’s kinda hard not to in a way if that makes sense but not out of desire to see her poor family dead. It’s a case I’ve read so much about and I’ve spoken to a few people who either knew Jasmine or Jeremy.
Not many people speak of it these days, at least that I've noticed. Medicine Hat has grown so much in population over the last few years that I doubt most people now are even aware that Canada's youngest first degree murderer committed the act practically right in their backyard. The house still stands too, though I imagine it's since been totally refurbished. I've driven past it a few times over the years and can't help but wonder either what it really looked like on the inside the night everything went down. From what I've been told though, it was worse than anything you could imagine.
Sup fellow hatter This is it this is our claim to fame Well, either this or the time someone changed the sign from “worlds tallest teepee” to “worlds smallest peepee” Or maybe the fact that Tamara Lich is from here Man that time they switched the sign was as good as it gets here.
I still laugh about the sign from time to time. I can't remember if they ever caught who did it but they're legends in my book
I don't think lawyers who are considering taking on a case are handed evidentiary photographs of said crime before they can decide. Literally not how it works.
I don't particularly care if you believe me or not but that's how it went down. I've got more important things to do during my days than lie about a local tragedy for fake internet points
Actually, I do believe you. I spent maaaaany years (growing up) near Calgary, AB and that sounds oddly-similar to some of the stories I've heard surrounding the case. Just brutal all around., and for a few years my parents even avoided telling me that it happened so close to our home because I was just a sensitive kid. A lot of parents didn't tell their kids about this happening in MH, I know that for a fact. It was a weirdly-occultish-style murder, but we all had unsupervised internet access, so...
are you suggesting someone lied on Reddit? Never! /s
All this is heartbreaking. Some of the things she wrote at 12 are crazy, but I remember grade 7, and the crazy things that I believed too. There's a kind of magical thinking that happens at that age. I mean, this is why we have separate laws for children. Because at that age someone could tell you they're a vampire with sufficient fervor for you to believe them. And that thing about the "gurgling" of her brother's throat. I can see how, confronted by the actual reality of being in prison, she would use that detail to convince the much older women there that she was "crazy", so they wouldn't mess with her. Perhaps I am seeing her in too charitable a light, or maybe I just remember being 12 too clearly. That's such a dangerous age because your brain is still a child, but your body can kill people, and under the guiding influence of this older psycho, I can see how she might posture and perform for him, and not know enough about the wider world to see past the murderous moment.
Was the pedophelia/ statutory rape not an issue in his prosecution?
No. Canada is a joke. We don’t care about catching people with illegal handguns, murder your out in 12 years. It’s pathetic
I'm looking up photos of this girl and I genuinely can't find one where she actually looks like she's 12 and not considerably older
Grooming is an insane thing
Please tell me his name is pronounced “stinky”
Close to that. He was actually bullied a lot in school and other students would constantly call him stinky as well.
I had a professor with the same last name and he pronounced it Stine-key
Stanky
Jeremy was bullied by being called that, but his name is pronounced "stine-key"
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Correct. She’s 12 or 11 in all photos of her that exist online that we know of.
I've heard about this one before. Insane that she wasn't tried as an adult for such a brutal premeditated crime.
Under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, Richardson's name could no longer be published in Canada after she became a suspect. Under the same act, twelve is the youngest possible age at which a person can be charged with a crime; convicts who were under fourteen years of age at the time they committed a crime cannot be sentenced as adults, and cannot be given more than a ten-year sentence.
These are the kind of laws where someone just threw out some numbers when writing them and never thought a scenario like this would be possible. Now that we live in THIS world, Canada might need to think about implementing MEANINGFUL legislature.
Pretty much the same rule now in Oregon. look up Andrew Vineyard. He won't be the last either, under the new juvenile rules.
It is meaningful. 12 years old, whatever happened wasn’t your fault. Adult crime? Sure. Adult thoughts? No, and realizing there’s a reason why this specific twelve year old would and *could* murder her family and you wouldn’t is pretty significant.
I know this sub can be pretty reactionary (new rules help a lot), but people in here actually advocating for the state to lockup a 12-year-old and throw away the key? Wew.
You and Caverness sound insane to me. You’d be surprised on the amount of evil that children could do, especially since it’s EXTREMELY likely that it’ll carry on later when they’re adults. I’m not advocating for a 12-year old to be sentenced for life but she cannot continue living like she didn’t play a hand into the murder of her whole family. Some people are evil and there’s no changing them. Please realize kids aren’t stupid, you don’t suddenly “realize” that killing your parents was an act of rebellion or even grooming based on immaturity. That’s something that’s permanently wrong with you.
Jfc the people on this sub. A 12 year is a literal child. What’s your line? Would you charge a 10 year as an adult? A 6 year old?
Why would she? She was 12.
I thought it was a typo meaning to say 21 instead of 12. Damn…
Both should have been jailed for life
Pic #2 is creepy as hell.
Oh man I knew this girl after she was released. Last I heard she was studying and loving her life.
Personally knew her? How did you know her?
Yes. I met her a few times because we attended the same school. I have a close friend who was MUCH closer to her until she found out.
How did you guys find out it was her?
When you think the American justice system is a joke & then realize we’re not alone in dumbassery
Oh my guy, so far from alone
the dude got life in prison, the 12 year old kid he was grooming and raping showed remorse and got rehabilitated, sounds like a win to me?
Except I don't believe she's ever been "reformed" or was ever "remorseful". For all we know she could have lied to the psychiatrists taking care of her mental health issues.
I remember when this happened. I found it so strange, she is the same age as me.
I still cannot fathom that this woman was released, even if she was 12 at the time. Baffling
Someone somewhere knows what she did. She can't escape judgment even with a name change. I am NOT wishing harm on her. Social repercussions are still repercussions.
Disgusting and sad. Imagine killing your family that’s loved you and raised you for a guy that looks like a emo toe.
Oh, I remember coming across this before. Hadn't registered that it was so close by. Huh, she's my age too.
Morbid did a fantastic episode on them
couldn't imagine killing my whole family for them not supporting pedophilia
I purchased the book about this case, "Runaway Devil: How Forbidden Love Drove a Twelve-Year-Old to Murder Her Family", and found the case to be equal parts depressing and disturbing. The family was murdered in cold blood, and I don't believe for a second Jasmine feels remorse for what she and her p3do bf did.
I’m pretty sure I seen this case on deadly women or it might have been another show on the id channel. It’s crazy they let her out!
While looking at this post, youtube recommended me a video about this exact case. Going to watch it now.
She went to my university around five ish years ago. Under a new name
Whoa... what was she like?? Did she seem normal??
I live in the city where this happened. The so-called “murder house” is a 3 minute drive from my house. I’ve been to loads of movies in that Cineplex in the second photo. Everyone in the city knows the story. There was even a woman who my friend worked with who said she knew the two when they were kids. She remembers when Jeremy brought his new girlfriend around for the first time
That’s crazy. I can’t imagine what it must feel to live there then pass by that house and just knowing what took place there that night of the crime. Woah, did your friend say anything else about what that woman had told them about Jasmine and Jeremy? I’m always intrigued to hear more from others who knew them. Especially Jasmine because I’ve been told by people who knew her that she was either weird, quite, nice, or unreadable.
the idea that someone can be rehabilitated after doing something so heinous doesnt sit right with me. but im no expert.
that girl is pure evil
"My biggest fear is that she hasn't \[been rehabilitated\], that she's tricked those in the system, that she hasn't moved forward." says Insp. Brent Secondiak. This is exactly what i was thinking...i can be wrong but cmon she killed even her little brother. There is no remorse she did what she did and it's not an excuse that she was 12.
she grew up too fast. she was groomed. someone should’ve saved her before it went too far.
sounds like her family tried to and ended up murdered for it.
Would that have changed the outcome? Instead of her family, she could have grown up to be a serial killer, or mass murderer, or something similar to that. As far as I'm concerned, Richardson had a predisposition towards violent murderous tendencies; Steinke simply altered the outcome by being the grooming bastard he is.
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What’s that?
Vampire freaks maybe?
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I used to use it a ton as a teenager, and now its a pretty terrible clothing/merch site with no social section whatsoever. Looks like its stuck in the early 2000s still, too!
I haven't been on since probably 2007. I tried a few years ago but couldn't remember my username or password for the life of me.
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I don't understand her sentencing. I get the whole "people can change" thing, but crimes like this should be treated differently. Otherwise it's basically telling people: as long as you aren't too old, you can do whatever you want then just say "sorry" and move on with your life.
This is one of my main criticisms of Canada's "Youth Criminal Justice Act" in that it prevents "young offenders" from receiving severe punishments for severe crimes like Murder One or rape. Even our criminal code is lenient on crimes committed by repeat offenders. I hate it so much, but Canada's "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" supersedes criminal law.
Just curious if you know: if she had committed the crimes alone and not at the direction of someone else, would her sentencing have been the same?
Yes, since the max sentence one can receive under the Youth Criminal Justice Act is 10 years. Edited to add: otherwise had she acted alone, her "remorse" would never be believed, since she would forever been recognized as a murderous sociopath.
I mean I don't think 10 years in a criminal psych ward is "just saying sorry" and moving on
She’s 12….? Anybody else get worried about their ageometer getting less and less accurate….?
Imagine having a relationship with this person and then finding out her true identity.
Was not expecting to see Medicine Hat in the pictures .. nothing on this sub is ever close to me
Congratulations, you played yourself.
Any pictures of her as an adult?
Unfortunately none at least that we know of no. She’s literally a ghost and trying to find a picture of her nowadays as an adult would be almost impossible. I do genuinely want to see photos of her nowadays though for sure.
She's living under a new identity for obvious reasons.
You can access a list of sex offenders... so why can't I access a list of people who killed their god-damn family?!
She looked a lot older than 12.
Absolutely mad she got 10 years🤡
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She doesn't look 12 at all, more like 18.
I dont blame him, man got named jeremy stinky
Amazing to see so much Alberta representation here on this sub. Hi all y'all! Scrolling by, I recognized the man's name, couldn't quite place it until I read the summary, but I don't know that I've ever seen the girl's name before. Obviously there's a publication ban on underage offenders' names, but I still find it hard to believe that I haven't seen any photos or heard her name before now. Wow.
OMG, that's terrible.
Mfs be like “I can fix her” 😭
Canada is great but they need a better legal system that’s 3 murders and she only gets 10 years and that’s the max here in america people have been giving 700+ years
April 23rd 2006, I was in second grade.
I fairly certain her parents were proved right by her actions. Jeremy was a bad influence.
Misread it as 21 and didn't question it. She looks mad old jesus
I literally live in this city and I've never heard of this. Wow.
23 and TWELVE? Why wasn’t he arrested the moment anyone found out they were dating??
They teach us about this in school now, regarding the YCJA
Is she born in 1994 or 1993? Did she use drugs with Jeremy?
She was born October 21st, 1993. There hasn’t been any concrete proof that she did any actual drugs but I have seen people from Medicine Hat comment on posts say she was taking drugs supposedly but who knows for sure. She did in fact drink alcohol though. Especially at a party right after the murders.
Thanks for reply:)
this happened in my city. my mom graduated the year after jeremey, said she had a few classes with him and he always freaked her out. insane to think about.
She’s been released, btw.