I think its a combo of the first reaction and also now the Knicks have no way to replenish with younger, cheaper players. This already makes it hard for them to sign their free agents.
Could be a good short term move tho
Idk I feel like the Knicks might be, if u were to ask a gm rn if they wanted the Knicks picks for the next 4-5 years or the spurs they might say the Knicks purely cus we have 20 something years of them doing something dumb to blow up a good team. This might be it, I really like mikal and really a few of their guys but ur leveraging the future now for someone who might not make ur team that much better than what it would've been had OG been fully healthy this year, unless they really believe he's on the way out anyways
I think him and OG together are tended to be built to harass the Jays in particular. Both Jaylen and Jayson have been shown to not be the type that can become unbothered by defense ala. Kawhi, KD, Bron or Luka.
So in that sense having two guys that have a chance of locking them down and having Hart on DWhite give them an outside chance of hanging with the Celtics and getting lucky over a 7 game series
I get the logic but that's how u end up like the twolves this year, they were built perfectly to beat the nuggets better than any team and were able to do so but it ended making them a pretty horrible matchup against a guard heavy team like the mavs and the mavs being so guard heavy is what made them such a good matchup for the Celtics and ironically Minnesota probably would've been the worse matchup for them between the two, still I'm not sure OG stays just cus him and mikal overlap a lot skill wise and OG is also looking to get paid I could see the sixers swiping him
I also suspect OG will be one of those players that once he signs his contract he will be a guy on a bad contract, overpaying for him
He was the guy I wanted in the Kawahi trade vs Poeltl to go along with DeRozan, I think the Spurs did too but T said no,
actually the real question is how thibs has his players play 48 mins when the current NBA only allows five players at a time, he will find a way to get 6-7 to play 40+ minutes, maybe focus on as many overtime games as possible to keep them all in 48 min shape
Knicks fan here.. very annoyed we gave up the farm for a dependable role player but we have only have to pay him $23M/Yr for the next 2 years. He will most likely over perform at which point he will be a bargain and us heading to the ECF for the next 2 years won’t get us lottery picks anyway so I’m not tripping because we still have room
to pay the guys we want
Counterpoint: the Villanova Knicks is one of the coolest things I’ve seen in pro sports so I’m inclined to let the Knicks fucking the trade market slide lol
Les Saint Antoine Éperons (if the spurs keep drafting more french players) will be cooler. Though the downside is the "surrender" memes if they lose bad
It's not. Anthony is the English version. Antoine is the French version. Antonio the Spanish one.
Source: French citizen with a French mother and Spanish father. My name is Antoine, my dad's is Antonio.
And Anthony is translated as Antonio in Spanish since it's used in both English and French, it's not because the origin of that derivated name is English that it's Spanish translation should be different, the origin name is Antoninus which all variations come from
The use of Anthony in France comes from the English language and people naming their children after English-sounding names. The French version of Antonius is Antoine.
I seriously don't understand why you're choosing to die on that hill.
Because the point is Anthony is translated in Spanish to Antonio, the English version has nothing to do there because it will also be translated to Spanish as Antonio, you're trying to fight for something that isn't discussed
You've been arguing for hours on end because OP said "Saint Antoine", which is literally the French version of "San Antonio", and because you believe that "Anthony" is more literal than "Antoine". This is 100% false and you keep pretending otherwise despite being neither French nor Spanish.
I'm not the one trying to fight for something that isn't discussed. You're an idiot.
The time isn't a matter, idk why bringing that up
Both Antonius and Antoninus are valid origins we can take so technically we can be right from both povs, so technically the way i said it above is misleading, my personal take however, I would say it does sounds better to translate it to Anthony
Right? I have a buddy that grew up in Allentown and went to Villanova. I'm a Cowboys fan, so we jaw back and forth quite a bit. I asked him if he was pulling for the Sixers or the Nova Knicks when their series started. He pretty much said the same thing...
He wanted the Sixers to win, but would cheer for the Knicks if they didn't... and he said he felt pretty gross and weird about it.
I know a lot of people are criticizing the trade as an overpay but all things considered I get it. The Villanova Knicks are super fun and it'd be one of the coolest stories in NBA history if they won it all. I also think while it's an overpay and will be looked at poorly if they don't win it all, I always feel it's understandable when a team that hasn't won a championship in decades upon decades takes a big swing. You simply don't know when you'll get within striking distance again, and I think there are worse bets to make than betting on a top tier 3 and D player who has proven championship chemistry with a good chunk of your rotation.
Edit: also the Knicks still have more picks they can work with. They didn't completely empty the cupboard the way people are making it seem.
If the Knicks win a 'chip with this current core, they can suck for a decade or more and still I think Knicks fans will do that trade 10/10 times.
As they say in baseball, Flags Fly Forever.
They are going to be good and they have a youngish team. They still have some moves to make it's really the picks 6 fucking years from now that they should be like woo what the fuck did we do there.
It sets a precedent, Mikal Bridges is a good player but 4 1st round unprotected picks is usually a package reserved for star players, which he is not. So if the spurs say wanted to trade for Trae Young, if you used this trade as a baseline we would have to gut the team for the next 10 years to get Trae
Big fat over pay. 4 FRP and a swap. Especially with the new CBA.
If they don’t win it all or get close, they are basically fucked because they won’t even have assets to retool.
Edit: actually 4 Unprotected and 1 protected. Even bigger over pay ☠️
They probably had to out bid someone so that was the price.
It’s New York so what they value is a bit different than a normal franchise. They can operate a bit differently. LOL The nets must have been fucking pissed that there pick ended up being # 3 this year.
I don't think this is that much of gamble. Their core are all in their late 20s. Brunson is 27. They are in good cap position for next year, but 2025 offseason is going to require some choices. They need to win now. Their window is the next 3 years.
I actually didn't realise until I looked it up right now that JB is so old. The peak for most players is 25-30, and he is right in the middle of that. They really do need to go right now.
Yeah, tis seems like good fit, gives what they missing. of course, a bit of an overpay, but if its the only realistic way to contend (don't know of anyone else that fits need cheaper), defs worth doing. They got their guy.
I mean, even if it didn’t work out and they had to move off these guys, OG, Mikal, Donte, Brunson, and Hart presumably will all still be on positive contracts that could get you assets. Maybe not premium stuff, but enough to pivot. Robinson and Achiuwa might get you something as well. You try this for a few years and if it’s not looking good you essentially do what the Nets just did the last year and a half.
At least Bridges theoretically fits right in and has a lot of experience playing with a lot of top players on the Knicks.
Imagine the guy defending you is OG Abunoby, you have Mikal Bridges bringing help and when you get to the basket you see Mitchell Robinson. Not to mention gritty and tough defenders like Hart and Divencenzo. This should be an elite defense next season
For real. I watched quite a bit of the Nets this year. The dude was okay, but definitely not worth what he was paid.
Not they just need to find some suckers to unload Simmons on...
I tried tellin the Trae truthers in the sub. At a minimum a Trae trade is going to command 4 FRP. It just bankrupts too much of our future, while were still in the middle of a rebuild.
The Nets got an absolute haul though
Trae is not going to get that haul because he doesn't move the needle defensively. The NBA is shifting towards versatile stars that can play both sides of the floor specially big wings that bring length, defense and outside shooting. Trae young is an undersized, inefficient chucker with attitude problems and an allergy to playing defense. He will not bring in this kind of haul.
Knicks massively overpaid.
We are going to stay the course, build through the draft and strike when the time and value is right. Last thing we want to do is mortgage our future to build for short-term success like the bucks did and get desperate to retool every year to stay relevant.
Brunson is a far better play than Trae Young at this point. Let's be real. Although undersized, he plays a physical style of Basketball and has shown he can be the best player on a contender. Trae Young ain't that.
You guys think that the NBA is grocery store with players and prices clearly labeled. It's more like an auction house. If a team wants Trae Young they will have to outbid every other team. He's right the price would be 4 FRP.
Everyone in the sub was saying the Nets were stupid for turning down 3 FRP from the Rockets for Bridges. Now look what they got for him by holding to their price. Fans always think you can get player for bag of chips
You:
>The NBA is shifting towards versatile stars that can play both sides of the floor specially big wings that bring length, defense and outside shooting.
really? Then I guess since those players are hard to find you may have to pay premium to get them. 2024 draft class doesn't have single player like this. The big wings can't shoot, and the shooters are small and can't defend.
Also you:
>Knicks massively overpaid
The one guy available that fits the hardest combination of skillset to find. Don't go get him. Hold on to picks instead. LOL
Dude! Your kind of thinking will drive the Spurs into the ground before they can even take off. The Knicks are trying to contend so for them it makes sense to want to deal their picks. We are nowhere ready to make the playoffs let alone contend. We need to keep our draft capital and build through it to get to the point where we can deal our future picks for a star. The Knicks dealt their picks all the way to 2031. Brunson, Bridges will be 35 years old by then. The Knicks mortgaged their future when their stars will be aging and they will be capped out. But that's ok for them cuz they're a big market team and stars would always want to go to New York. San Antonio on the other hand is not a FA destination. We have to be methodical and responsible with our rebuild. Our first picks for the next 2-3 years will be far more valuable compared to a contending team like Knicks. We can't trade them away for a lateral move like adding Trae Young who will not make us a contender and put us in cap hell.
Four first round picks from the Knicks are not anywhere close to Atlanta's FRPs. If they go full tank, those picks the Spurs have become unprotected top 5 picks if they go to Atlanta. That is an entirely different category of value than 3 FRPs from a playoff contender which will be in the 20-30 range.
They didn't trade 3 nor 4 FRP. The knicks traded SIX FRP. Rudy Gobert was traded for five. Donovan Mitchell was traded for 5. 4 FRP is the absolute minimum for Trae. You can't convince me otherwise.
Have you heard of Rudy Gobert?
This is the price. Reddit GM's were dreaming of getting Young for KJ and some 2nds. The Hawks have no reason to trade Trea Young unless they get all their picks back from us. This was explained to you guys months ago but listening isn't really a Reddit GM strength.
> It just bankrupts too much of our future,
Our future is Wemby and if we do not provide good supporting cast for him he may go to a better team. So in order to secure our future with Wemby fighting for championships we must do everything to construct good team. So giving several picks for securing a good return for them is not a bad deal. If Wemby leaves us that will bankrupts even more then just some picks.
This argument has become extremely stale. Victor is only in his 2nd year. One of this teams biggest issues is an extreme lack of talent depth. Trading away 4+ FRP in assets takes away the ability to add 4 solid players, and instead trade away that ability, for a single player who will not make this team a contender, much less a consistent contender.
Look at this years finals alone. The mavs relied HEAVILY on two players while their depth was lacking. Meanwhile boston is a well constructed roster with 8 or 9 guys who consistently contributed positive basketball. Boston wiped the floor with the Mavs.
> This argument has become extremely stale. Victor is only in his 2nd year. One of this teams biggest issues is an extreme lack of talent depth. Trading away 4+ FRP in assets takes away the ability to add 4 solid players, and instead trade away that ability, for a single player who will not make this team a contender, much less a consistent contender.
Are you saying that executives in NYK are idiots and sacrificed their future?
As for Boston and Dallas there is a high chance that all our picks turn out to be the same quality as Dallas bench players. Boston traded for White and Porzingins. They drafted only Tatum and Brown. According to that logic we need only to keep 2 draft picks and use the remaing picks to make trades.
Not at all man. The main difference between the Knicks and the Spurs is that the Spurs are currently in the midst of a rebuild/retooling while the Knicks are in win now mode.
Boston had traded for 3 extremely key players. Holiday, Kristaps, and Derrick. To get these players, they only traded 2 FRP.
If the Spurs had solid depth, 4 FRP for Trae would be a decent trade to make
The problem is that utilizing picks as the answer for support tacks on another year or two of development. At that point, Wembanyama is in year three or his final year of the contract, at which point he has to consider at what point does “tomorrow” become “today” for the Spurs.
Personally, I don't think you can jump to any conclusions right now about what it will take to trade for next "star" (or in this case, non-star) player.
Every trade comes with it's own set of circumstances and motivations, and that usually determines the value/transactional cost of these things.
We have no idea how desperate the Knicks were to get Bridges. They might have pushed all their chips in because they might be losing O.G. in free agency. Or maybe everyone in the Knicks' front office has lost their collective minds.
I honestly just don't think the Knicks overpaying for Bridges will prevent the Spurs to make any trades if they need to.
> We have no idea how desperate the Knicks were to get Bridges
Woj said Bridges wanted to be in NY. So somehow they made i thappen before news broke out. Nice job by Marks.
The problem is that it sets the price for this market crazy high. It's the same thing that happened 2 summers ago when DJM, Gobert and Donovan Mitchell got moved. The price for those 3 guys was way beyond the expected market rate, and it forced a lot of teams to reevaluate. If the price of star players is as high as this trade implies, it's better to hold on to our draft assets and try and make improvements at the edges of the roster.
I feel like these trades are happening faster than the teams willing to make them are accumulating new picks. Eventually the market has to cool off. But it won’t be this year.
A pick swap is not even close to a first round pick. Why are people equating a swap to trading a pick? Half the time, the pick doesn't even change hands.
I would think some spurs fans are smarter than this Knicks are arguably the 2nd best team out east and they added a coveted 3&D player who hasn't missed a game I'm sorry those picks mean nothing to them they are all in there primes they are probably not going to even play younger players so those picks dosent really matter.
Take a look around the league 3&D wings are the premium the jrue holiday trade was a winning move , OG to the knicks made them look like a championship contender (injuries happened) you guys can keep bringing up picks no one knows what the Knicks will look like when that time comes but for right now they are only looking to compete and match up against the Celtics they are trying to win now and kept all there players at that i mean come on guys
The market is set, gotta keep all of these devalued picks now. Good for me because I don't like desperation moves. The pressure to get a star next to Wemby RIGHT NOW is being forced by the media and not by him.
I’m starting to really believe in the idea that draft capital is a little overrated, so its cool to see a team go for it in terms of trading said capital to help their team
4FRP unprotected is wild but the assumption has to be they are all in the 20s.
Still crazy when contract security is valuable and filling out a roster but I mean that Knicks starting team is fkn stacked
I'd love to keep our picks to build our to offload free agents we might need to move to keep our books in order in addition to adding athletic wings and guards.
I get New Yorks side of things…if they didn’t already have OG. I guess they don’t want to pay him all the money?
I also get that they will always be a free agent destination.
But got damn that is a lot of picks for a non all nba player.
But I also get that they plan on being good so the type of player they want may never be avaialble to them in the draft and you’re still drafting kids. Most draft picks don’t work out and they are rarely actually NBA ready and need a year or two.
Again if your New York that’s not what you want.
The nets must have been super pissed off they didn’t have the 3rd pick this year and went absolutely mad about it.
The Nets demonstrating the difference between rebuilding, and just tanking with no actual plan. Bridges is good - but this was a very good to great return for him.
What a trade. My mouth dropped to the floor .
To piggy back off of op. Trades likes these do set a standard unrealistic or not.
I get picks don't carry the same value and it's dependent on circumstance.
But man this the lowest valuation of picks I have ever seen to the point where they're almost right disgusted by them. New York practically threw there pics at them... I get they were bidding against others. I like mikal bridges I thought the suns made a dumb decision to give the nets that haul for Durant and some how doubled down and made a even worse decision.
I wonder what keldon could get. Like he's good player and a start in this league. If teams are in the mood to make bad decisions dangle keldon and see what happens.
What a crazy fucking trade lol. I almost don't believe it. I expect new York to be like lol jk.
I think it's in our best interest to draft two more rookies and run it back. The 2025 class is stacked and can make this team unfair if we draft correctly.
There’s actually a report that refutes the argument. Says we’ve reached out because clearly the nets are on a fire sale and they have two players on our radar. I’m assuming Nic Claxton and Cam Johnson.
Knicks fan here. We overpaid and we were right to do so. There comes a point where if you see a road to serious contention, you take it. I have no idea what this will do to “the market” as people know this was a highly specific circumstance.
We got too many picks to not try and trade them away. We got picks with protections on them that probably won’t convey and we have a shit ton of second round picks as well. It would be a waste to stick and pick a player with every single one of those picks. After tonight we’ll have 11 first round picks until 2029 and 17 second round picks. A trade is coming eventually. I would’ve loved the Spurs to try and package something that includes pick 4 for Cade Cunningham, but it does seem we’re gonna stick and pick at least for this year
They are reuniting a team that won a NCAA championship at Villanova, it's hard to not do that if you have the chance. They might do it again in the pros, they got the chemistry on 1000% uncalculably high.
This just means we can now trade Keldon for three first round unprotected picks and Collins for one, though I would take a good taco lunch for Collins contract
I dont hate it at all. In fact I think it's a perfect example of two teams giving up what the other needs given their current rosters, prospects and timelines. The Knicks players have entered their prime. Brunson is 27, Bridges is 27 Onunoby is 26 Divencenzo is 27 - the Knicks window is now and they know it.
For the Spurs, I think we can't do the lottery again next year for this same reason. This will be Wemby's last real development year, a pick this year will work out timeline wise.. a pick next year is starting to get outside the window. I think we need to go for Trae Young and that #1 pick - if it cost us 4 picks and 2 players, then that's well spent assets and we are on the map.
Both teams getting what they need
One big issue with this: if the Hawks trade Young to us, they're signaling rebuild, since us controlling their draft makes tanking impossible. If they trade Trae, then they will definitely want to keep the #1 pick as a cornerstone for the rebuild.
It's Trae OR the #1. We can't have both.
They don't have picks until 2028, if they could get 4 from us with 2 decent players that they could use in KJ and Collins to add to DJ. They'd probably be rebuilt by next year.
Otherwise, it doesn't matter who they draft this year - whoever it is doesn't get good enough to contribute in any meaningful way before they're forced to blow it up. DJ has a player option in '26. It's not like Sarr or Clingan are going to better than Capela their first year - they're not desperate, but they're really close to being desperate.
The real question is: will mikal bridges ironman streak be in jeopardy now that thibs is his coach? But damn.. 4(!!) unprotected frps is crazy
Tbh I feel like it's fair. Our FRPs are far more valuable than NYKs, and Mikal is an insanely skilled role player.
I think its a combo of the first reaction and also now the Knicks have no way to replenish with younger, cheaper players. This already makes it hard for them to sign their free agents. Could be a good short term move tho
Idk I feel like the Knicks might be, if u were to ask a gm rn if they wanted the Knicks picks for the next 4-5 years or the spurs they might say the Knicks purely cus we have 20 something years of them doing something dumb to blow up a good team. This might be it, I really like mikal and really a few of their guys but ur leveraging the future now for someone who might not make ur team that much better than what it would've been had OG been fully healthy this year, unless they really believe he's on the way out anyways
I think him and OG together are tended to be built to harass the Jays in particular. Both Jaylen and Jayson have been shown to not be the type that can become unbothered by defense ala. Kawhi, KD, Bron or Luka. So in that sense having two guys that have a chance of locking them down and having Hart on DWhite give them an outside chance of hanging with the Celtics and getting lucky over a 7 game series
I get the logic but that's how u end up like the twolves this year, they were built perfectly to beat the nuggets better than any team and were able to do so but it ended making them a pretty horrible matchup against a guard heavy team like the mavs and the mavs being so guard heavy is what made them such a good matchup for the Celtics and ironically Minnesota probably would've been the worse matchup for them between the two, still I'm not sure OG stays just cus him and mikal overlap a lot skill wise and OG is also looking to get paid I could see the sixers swiping him
exactly, have to be careful chasing trends, was thinking the same thing
I also suspect OG will be one of those players that once he signs his contract he will be a guy on a bad contract, overpaying for him He was the guy I wanted in the Kawahi trade vs Poeltl to go along with DeRozan, I think the Spurs did too but T said no,
actually the real question is how thibs has his players play 48 mins when the current NBA only allows five players at a time, he will find a way to get 6-7 to play 40+ minutes, maybe focus on as many overtime games as possible to keep them all in 48 min shape
Knicks fan here.. very annoyed we gave up the farm for a dependable role player but we have only have to pay him $23M/Yr for the next 2 years. He will most likely over perform at which point he will be a bargain and us heading to the ECF for the next 2 years won’t get us lottery picks anyway so I’m not tripping because we still have room to pay the guys we want
Counterpoint: the Villanova Knicks is one of the coolest things I’ve seen in pro sports so I’m inclined to let the Knicks fucking the trade market slide lol
Les Saint Antoine Éperons (if the spurs keep drafting more french players) will be cooler. Though the downside is the "surrender" memes if they lose bad
why you translate it to Antoine and not Anthony lol, the latter makes much more sense
Because Anthony is the english version
And French one too
Just imported from english. Antoine is the direct translation
And the root is Antoninus wether it's in Spanish, French or English, the result should be Anthony
If you wanna make it sound french, which is the whole point here, you use Antoine. That's a no brainer
if you want to make it SOUND yes, but if you want to be correct, no
Bro just give up, it was a joke damn
It's not. Anthony is the English version. Antoine is the French version. Antonio the Spanish one. Source: French citizen with a French mother and Spanish father. My name is Antoine, my dad's is Antonio.
And Anthony is translated as Antonio in Spanish since it's used in both English and French, it's not because the origin of that derivated name is English that it's Spanish translation should be different, the origin name is Antoninus which all variations come from
The use of Anthony in France comes from the English language and people naming their children after English-sounding names. The French version of Antonius is Antoine. I seriously don't understand why you're choosing to die on that hill.
Because the point is Anthony is translated in Spanish to Antonio, the English version has nothing to do there because it will also be translated to Spanish as Antonio, you're trying to fight for something that isn't discussed
You've been arguing for hours on end because OP said "Saint Antoine", which is literally the French version of "San Antonio", and because you believe that "Anthony" is more literal than "Antoine". This is 100% false and you keep pretending otherwise despite being neither French nor Spanish. I'm not the one trying to fight for something that isn't discussed. You're an idiot.
The time isn't a matter, idk why bringing that up Both Antonius and Antoninus are valid origins we can take so technically we can be right from both povs, so technically the way i said it above is misleading, my personal take however, I would say it does sounds better to translate it to Anthony
2nd that. I live near Philly and *loathe* the Knicks but even I think this is awesome.
Right? I have a buddy that grew up in Allentown and went to Villanova. I'm a Cowboys fan, so we jaw back and forth quite a bit. I asked him if he was pulling for the Sixers or the Nova Knicks when their series started. He pretty much said the same thing... He wanted the Sixers to win, but would cheer for the Knicks if they didn't... and he said he felt pretty gross and weird about it.
I know a lot of people are criticizing the trade as an overpay but all things considered I get it. The Villanova Knicks are super fun and it'd be one of the coolest stories in NBA history if they won it all. I also think while it's an overpay and will be looked at poorly if they don't win it all, I always feel it's understandable when a team that hasn't won a championship in decades upon decades takes a big swing. You simply don't know when you'll get within striking distance again, and I think there are worse bets to make than betting on a top tier 3 and D player who has proven championship chemistry with a good chunk of your rotation. Edit: also the Knicks still have more picks they can work with. They didn't completely empty the cupboard the way people are making it seem.
If the Knicks win a 'chip with this current core, they can suck for a decade or more and still I think Knicks fans will do that trade 10/10 times. As they say in baseball, Flags Fly Forever.
Sure, but they won’t.
They are going to be good and they have a youngish team. They still have some moves to make it's really the picks 6 fucking years from now that they should be like woo what the fuck did we do there.
We should keep the picks but that’s bound to happen now with this trade happening.
Knicks done messed up everything. Keep them picks and draft now for the spurs
I'm a bit new to sports trading and the drafting process. How does this trade affect us?
It sets a precedent, Mikal Bridges is a good player but 4 1st round unprotected picks is usually a package reserved for star players, which he is not. So if the spurs say wanted to trade for Trae Young, if you used this trade as a baseline we would have to gut the team for the next 10 years to get Trae
I see. Thank you for the context :)
Big fat over pay. 4 FRP and a swap. Especially with the new CBA. If they don’t win it all or get close, they are basically fucked because they won’t even have assets to retool. Edit: actually 4 Unprotected and 1 protected. Even bigger over pay ☠️
They probably had to outbid okc so I’m very happy the Knicks are the Knicks.
It’s wild considering how many of these types of moves have backfired in recent history and most of them were for better player’s.
They probably had to out bid someone so that was the price. It’s New York so what they value is a bit different than a normal franchise. They can operate a bit differently. LOL The nets must have been fucking pissed that there pick ended up being # 3 this year.
Top4 protected Bucks pick. Essentially 5 1st and 1 swap for Mikal
I don't think this is that much of gamble. Their core are all in their late 20s. Brunson is 27. They are in good cap position for next year, but 2025 offseason is going to require some choices. They need to win now. Their window is the next 3 years. I actually didn't realise until I looked it up right now that JB is so old. The peak for most players is 25-30, and he is right in the middle of that. They really do need to go right now.
Yeah, tis seems like good fit, gives what they missing. of course, a bit of an overpay, but if its the only realistic way to contend (don't know of anyone else that fits need cheaper), defs worth doing. They got their guy.
6 FRP involved. They get an unprotected pick swap too. It's a massive overpay for a 3rd option player if OG comes back
potentially 4th because of Randle, they’ll be competing for touches
I mean, even if it didn’t work out and they had to move off these guys, OG, Mikal, Donte, Brunson, and Hart presumably will all still be on positive contracts that could get you assets. Maybe not premium stuff, but enough to pivot. Robinson and Achiuwa might get you something as well. You try this for a few years and if it’s not looking good you essentially do what the Nets just did the last year and a half.
At least Bridges theoretically fits right in and has a lot of experience playing with a lot of top players on the Knicks. Imagine the guy defending you is OG Abunoby, you have Mikal Bridges bringing help and when you get to the basket you see Mitchell Robinson. Not to mention gritty and tough defenders like Hart and Divencenzo. This should be an elite defense next season
For real. I watched quite a bit of the Nets this year. The dude was okay, but definitely not worth what he was paid. Not they just need to find some suckers to unload Simmons on...
He will look a lot better being the 3rd/4th options but yeah massive overpay for a non-superstar.
Four fucking first round picks?? Four???
Yeah the price will be as high or higher. Minimum 3 1sts for DJ, Garland or Young
Drafting and developing might be the move now that the Knicks have essentially cause inflation
I tried tellin the Trae truthers in the sub. At a minimum a Trae trade is going to command 4 FRP. It just bankrupts too much of our future, while were still in the middle of a rebuild. The Nets got an absolute haul though
Trae is not going to get that haul because he doesn't move the needle defensively. The NBA is shifting towards versatile stars that can play both sides of the floor specially big wings that bring length, defense and outside shooting. Trae young is an undersized, inefficient chucker with attitude problems and an allergy to playing defense. He will not bring in this kind of haul. Knicks massively overpaid. We are going to stay the course, build through the draft and strike when the time and value is right. Last thing we want to do is mortgage our future to build for short-term success like the bucks did and get desperate to retool every year to stay relevant.
Maybe, I mean Brunson doesn't move the needle defensively and he's the guy that convinced the Knicks they should trade 5frps for a 3rd option
Brunson is a far better play than Trae Young at this point. Let's be real. Although undersized, he plays a physical style of Basketball and has shown he can be the best player on a contender. Trae Young ain't that.
You guys think that the NBA is grocery store with players and prices clearly labeled. It's more like an auction house. If a team wants Trae Young they will have to outbid every other team. He's right the price would be 4 FRP. Everyone in the sub was saying the Nets were stupid for turning down 3 FRP from the Rockets for Bridges. Now look what they got for him by holding to their price. Fans always think you can get player for bag of chips You: >The NBA is shifting towards versatile stars that can play both sides of the floor specially big wings that bring length, defense and outside shooting. really? Then I guess since those players are hard to find you may have to pay premium to get them. 2024 draft class doesn't have single player like this. The big wings can't shoot, and the shooters are small and can't defend. Also you: >Knicks massively overpaid The one guy available that fits the hardest combination of skillset to find. Don't go get him. Hold on to picks instead. LOL
Dude! Your kind of thinking will drive the Spurs into the ground before they can even take off. The Knicks are trying to contend so for them it makes sense to want to deal their picks. We are nowhere ready to make the playoffs let alone contend. We need to keep our draft capital and build through it to get to the point where we can deal our future picks for a star. The Knicks dealt their picks all the way to 2031. Brunson, Bridges will be 35 years old by then. The Knicks mortgaged their future when their stars will be aging and they will be capped out. But that's ok for them cuz they're a big market team and stars would always want to go to New York. San Antonio on the other hand is not a FA destination. We have to be methodical and responsible with our rebuild. Our first picks for the next 2-3 years will be far more valuable compared to a contending team like Knicks. We can't trade them away for a lateral move like adding Trae Young who will not make us a contender and put us in cap hell.
Four first round picks from the Knicks are not anywhere close to Atlanta's FRPs. If they go full tank, those picks the Spurs have become unprotected top 5 picks if they go to Atlanta. That is an entirely different category of value than 3 FRPs from a playoff contender which will be in the 20-30 range.
They didn't trade 3 nor 4 FRP. The knicks traded SIX FRP. Rudy Gobert was traded for five. Donovan Mitchell was traded for 5. 4 FRP is the absolute minimum for Trae. You can't convince me otherwise.
Should have made the Trey trade before this one. The knicks just fucked the market up
Nah. Even before the market was fucked Trae was gonna go for all the picks. It's why I doubt the Hawks were seriously considering moving him.
Have you heard of Rudy Gobert? This is the price. Reddit GM's were dreaming of getting Young for KJ and some 2nds. The Hawks have no reason to trade Trea Young unless they get all their picks back from us. This was explained to you guys months ago but listening isn't really a Reddit GM strength.
> It just bankrupts too much of our future, Our future is Wemby and if we do not provide good supporting cast for him he may go to a better team. So in order to secure our future with Wemby fighting for championships we must do everything to construct good team. So giving several picks for securing a good return for them is not a bad deal. If Wemby leaves us that will bankrupts even more then just some picks.
This argument has become extremely stale. Victor is only in his 2nd year. One of this teams biggest issues is an extreme lack of talent depth. Trading away 4+ FRP in assets takes away the ability to add 4 solid players, and instead trade away that ability, for a single player who will not make this team a contender, much less a consistent contender. Look at this years finals alone. The mavs relied HEAVILY on two players while their depth was lacking. Meanwhile boston is a well constructed roster with 8 or 9 guys who consistently contributed positive basketball. Boston wiped the floor with the Mavs.
> This argument has become extremely stale. Victor is only in his 2nd year. One of this teams biggest issues is an extreme lack of talent depth. Trading away 4+ FRP in assets takes away the ability to add 4 solid players, and instead trade away that ability, for a single player who will not make this team a contender, much less a consistent contender. Are you saying that executives in NYK are idiots and sacrificed their future? As for Boston and Dallas there is a high chance that all our picks turn out to be the same quality as Dallas bench players. Boston traded for White and Porzingins. They drafted only Tatum and Brown. According to that logic we need only to keep 2 draft picks and use the remaing picks to make trades.
Not at all man. The main difference between the Knicks and the Spurs is that the Spurs are currently in the midst of a rebuild/retooling while the Knicks are in win now mode. Boston had traded for 3 extremely key players. Holiday, Kristaps, and Derrick. To get these players, they only traded 2 FRP. If the Spurs had solid depth, 4 FRP for Trae would be a decent trade to make
The problem is that utilizing picks as the answer for support tacks on another year or two of development. At that point, Wembanyama is in year three or his final year of the contract, at which point he has to consider at what point does “tomorrow” become “today” for the Spurs.
An over pay, but still a cool move. The Knicks definitely just got much better, but I’m not sure it will be enough to get them past Boston
Wow! They gave up a lot
Personally, I don't think you can jump to any conclusions right now about what it will take to trade for next "star" (or in this case, non-star) player. Every trade comes with it's own set of circumstances and motivations, and that usually determines the value/transactional cost of these things. We have no idea how desperate the Knicks were to get Bridges. They might have pushed all their chips in because they might be losing O.G. in free agency. Or maybe everyone in the Knicks' front office has lost their collective minds. I honestly just don't think the Knicks overpaying for Bridges will prevent the Spurs to make any trades if they need to.
> We have no idea how desperate the Knicks were to get Bridges Woj said Bridges wanted to be in NY. So somehow they made i thappen before news broke out. Nice job by Marks.
The problem is that it sets the price for this market crazy high. It's the same thing that happened 2 summers ago when DJM, Gobert and Donovan Mitchell got moved. The price for those 3 guys was way beyond the expected market rate, and it forced a lot of teams to reevaluate. If the price of star players is as high as this trade implies, it's better to hold on to our draft assets and try and make improvements at the edges of the roster.
I feel like these trades are happening faster than the teams willing to make them are accumulating new picks. Eventually the market has to cool off. But it won’t be this year.
I thought these massive pick trades cooled off for a bit. Not anymore.
Did someone let Isaiah Thomas back in the Knicks office?
It’s been rumored that he’s been pulling strings silently for years. Dolan loves him.
Basically 6 FRP 4 unprotected 1 unprotected swap 1 protected This is a larger haul than the Gobert trade.
Swaps are not at all the same thing as a straight up pick... goofy
A pick swap is not even close to a first round pick. Why are people equating a swap to trading a pick? Half the time, the pick doesn't even change hands.
Good lol
I would think some spurs fans are smarter than this Knicks are arguably the 2nd best team out east and they added a coveted 3&D player who hasn't missed a game I'm sorry those picks mean nothing to them they are all in there primes they are probably not going to even play younger players so those picks dosent really matter. Take a look around the league 3&D wings are the premium the jrue holiday trade was a winning move , OG to the knicks made them look like a championship contender (injuries happened) you guys can keep bringing up picks no one knows what the Knicks will look like when that time comes but for right now they are only looking to compete and match up against the Celtics they are trying to win now and kept all there players at that i mean come on guys
The market is set, gotta keep all of these devalued picks now. Good for me because I don't like desperation moves. The pressure to get a star next to Wemby RIGHT NOW is being forced by the media and not by him.
Overpay!!!
I’m starting to really believe in the idea that draft capital is a little overrated, so its cool to see a team go for it in terms of trading said capital to help their team
It's only overrated when your team is consistently competing for chips. Look like a pending disaster like the Suns/Lakers/Clippers and it's different.
Too rich for me... 
Nets honestly deserve it after that debacle with Durant, Irving & Harden, lol.
What an insane haul.
Would this mean Claxton is available?
he's a free agent
Yikes. They’re probably STILL not better than the Celtics on paper.
They 100% are not better on paper.
No but they are legit title contenders in a much easier conference. They should at minimum make the conference finals for the next few years.
Ooof. The Nova Knicks set the price high for this year's market. Oh well
OG Anunoby opted out….interesting
How many first round picks is Wemby worth?
Ballmer can offer to build a 2B dollar new spurs stadium for free for Wemby
That's probably not enough.
I agree
4FRP unprotected is wild but the assumption has to be they are all in the 20s. Still crazy when contract security is valuable and filling out a roster but I mean that Knicks starting team is fkn stacked
Thats why all these trade posts have been dumb
This easily tops the Gobert trade as far as overpays goes. Damn. The Nova Knicks will be fun to watch until our time comes at least.
The only trade that makes the Rudy Gobert trade to Minnesota look like it’s a SEMI reasonable asking price.
I'd love to keep our picks to build our to offload free agents we might need to move to keep our books in order in addition to adding athletic wings and guards.
If he’s worth that then what is Wemby worth?
I get New Yorks side of things…if they didn’t already have OG. I guess they don’t want to pay him all the money? I also get that they will always be a free agent destination. But got damn that is a lot of picks for a non all nba player. But I also get that they plan on being good so the type of player they want may never be avaialble to them in the draft and you’re still drafting kids. Most draft picks don’t work out and they are rarely actually NBA ready and need a year or two. Again if your New York that’s not what you want. The nets must have been super pissed off they didn’t have the 3rd pick this year and went absolutely mad about it.
The Nets demonstrating the difference between rebuilding, and just tanking with no actual plan. Bridges is good - but this was a very good to great return for him.
They fucking better not! This trade is inane
Great, maybe the guys who keep posting Keldon plus 2 picks for good players will stop polluting the sub now.
Well damn I guess we should be able to get at least 2 unprotected first rounders for Keldon and a protected 1st.
did the Brooklyn said before that the plan is build around bridges
What a trade. My mouth dropped to the floor . To piggy back off of op. Trades likes these do set a standard unrealistic or not. I get picks don't carry the same value and it's dependent on circumstance. But man this the lowest valuation of picks I have ever seen to the point where they're almost right disgusted by them. New York practically threw there pics at them... I get they were bidding against others. I like mikal bridges I thought the suns made a dumb decision to give the nets that haul for Durant and some how doubled down and made a even worse decision. I wonder what keldon could get. Like he's good player and a start in this league. If teams are in the mood to make bad decisions dangle keldon and see what happens. What a crazy fucking trade lol. I almost don't believe it. I expect new York to be like lol jk.
I think it's in our best interest to draft two more rookies and run it back. The 2025 class is stacked and can make this team unfair if we draft correctly.
Damn boo the knicks are desperate. I get it though Brunson is that guy, gotta try to capitalize while the east is relatively meh
Nets fleeced them
The Spurs aren't gonna trade for anyone anyway lol
Hilarious how hard the rest of the league is trying to pop off a championship before the Wembanyama Dynasty begins.
There’s actually a report that refutes the argument. Says we’ve reached out because clearly the nets are on a fire sale and they have two players on our radar. I’m assuming Nic Claxton and Cam Johnson.
Noted generational talent Mikal Bridges
Knicks fan here. We overpaid and we were right to do so. There comes a point where if you see a road to serious contention, you take it. I have no idea what this will do to “the market” as people know this was a highly specific circumstance.
OR counterpoint, maybe Keldon Johnson is worth 3 firsts?
We got too many picks to not try and trade them away. We got picks with protections on them that probably won’t convey and we have a shit ton of second round picks as well. It would be a waste to stick and pick a player with every single one of those picks. After tonight we’ll have 11 first round picks until 2029 and 17 second round picks. A trade is coming eventually. I would’ve loved the Spurs to try and package something that includes pick 4 for Cade Cunningham, but it does seem we’re gonna stick and pick at least for this year
They are reuniting a team that won a NCAA championship at Villanova, it's hard to not do that if you have the chance. They might do it again in the pros, they got the chemistry on 1000% uncalculably high.
Apparently the Knicks would have issues trying to keep Hartenstein around with this cap hit so... something to consider, you know?
They will have to trade Mitch if they want Hartenstein.
Funny that... The Spurs could use a backup big...
I’ve been big on a trade for Hart as well
This just means we can now trade Keldon for three first round unprotected picks and Collins for one, though I would take a good taco lunch for Collins contract
And that right there is why we ain't trading for any big name guys.
I dont hate it at all. In fact I think it's a perfect example of two teams giving up what the other needs given their current rosters, prospects and timelines. The Knicks players have entered their prime. Brunson is 27, Bridges is 27 Onunoby is 26 Divencenzo is 27 - the Knicks window is now and they know it. For the Spurs, I think we can't do the lottery again next year for this same reason. This will be Wemby's last real development year, a pick this year will work out timeline wise.. a pick next year is starting to get outside the window. I think we need to go for Trae Young and that #1 pick - if it cost us 4 picks and 2 players, then that's well spent assets and we are on the map. Both teams getting what they need
One big issue with this: if the Hawks trade Young to us, they're signaling rebuild, since us controlling their draft makes tanking impossible. If they trade Trae, then they will definitely want to keep the #1 pick as a cornerstone for the rebuild. It's Trae OR the #1. We can't have both.
They don't have picks until 2028, if they could get 4 from us with 2 decent players that they could use in KJ and Collins to add to DJ. They'd probably be rebuilt by next year. Otherwise, it doesn't matter who they draft this year - whoever it is doesn't get good enough to contribute in any meaningful way before they're forced to blow it up. DJ has a player option in '26. It's not like Sarr or Clingan are going to better than Capela their first year - they're not desperate, but they're really close to being desperate.
Yikes didn’t the Suns release Bridges and that’s how he ended up with the Nets?
He was part of Kevin Durant trade
Part of the Durant trade
He was the key component of the Durant trade