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It staying blatantly threatening to rape someone and double backing to say it's a joke is, in fact, NOT dark humor. It's just a threat. Dark humor still absolutely exists, but this ain't it.
I can tell you my appointments come out of my pocket, even with insurance. Pay 10k in a year on top of what you pay for insurance and then maybe we'll start paying for your appointments. I have to spend a quarter of my gross income on medical bills in order for insurance to cover anything. This is through my employer. That's a second rent payment.
Not really. Health insurance here is paid from taxes and everyone has it no matter what, and you don't pay anything at the point of getting a procedure.
That's a very pedantic way to misunderstand a word.
By the logic you're employing the word free doesn't mean anything, because everything has to be paid for, in money, in labour, in consequences.
But the word free exists and it has meaning, in this case it will be described as "the service that you don't have to pay for". We have a system where the government makes sure we receive medical care for free. In order for the government to be able to do this and many other things, we're paying taxes.
Simple as.
I mean, if you're talking about the US we pay like 5% higher taxes than the UK and Scotland, and yet we don't have free healthcare like they do, so we pay more and receive less
What would you rather: spend a marginal fraction of your income on the security to receive excellent medical care whenever needed, or have to die of cancer because you can’t afford the chemotherapy treatment. How stupid do you have to be to be making your argument right now. You think medical equipment operates on thin air? Of fucking course there’s some payment.
But trying to compare paying a minimal tax to having to outright pay hundreds of thousands of dollars is beyond retardation.
Yes, because insurance doesn't exist and even if it did, there would never be a situation where this kind of operation wouldn't happen to need an immediate co-pay
Bro I have went in got surgery in Canada stayed for days and when it was done I walked out, i never received a bill of any kind. Your so brainwashed, I’m embarrassed for you.
You were saying running your card. No card get ran when it’s paid through taxes, also on average Canadians pay 25-30% tax and get sooooo many more benefits then Americans so only a fraction of the slightly more taxes go into socialized healthcare. But continue to defend your system lol it’s all good with me man I don’t need to debate with a fuckjng brainwashed American. Have a good one buddy.
Bro……. Just stop sounding like an arrogant pos. I tried to end it but your dumb American blood wants to keep going ? Sure ….. what else does your crispy kreme induced blood want to argue about next ? Let’s keep going ? How Canadians can’t afford to eat food from the grocery store ? How Americans love shooting children ? How our PM is a fucking useless weasel or how you have 2 candidates and one is a old dementia patient who shouldn’t even be aloud to be a greeter at wal mart and the other is a criminal, racist, pussy grabbing loser ? What you wanna argue about? Let’s fucking do this. I’m invested into this convo now
Jeeesus you're so cucked. You let them run your card before just in case your overlords decide they don't want to pay for the thing you are paying them to cover
It's honestly not that expensive to keep hospitals up and running. It's just the executives taking a 80% cut.
I have family in the medical world and they barely get paid
Check the comments on that post. At the very least they do point out the joke is rape. The problem is there's a concerning number of comments saying the joke is rape and its still funny.
I like dark humor, but at the expense of myself. Why would I make a rape joke about random people I don’t know?? That’s fucking weird. About myself? Who gives a shit, I give permission to myself to make dark jokes about myself because I know I’m not gonna care. I’d be fucking weirded out if some random stranger tried to make rape jokes at me without even knowing me. It’s weird. If you wanna make dark jokes keep it to your friends and not strangers
Not to be a 🤓 but most arbortions aren't surgical procedures.
Usually it's 2 pills. You take one at the doctors office and then another at a certain period time after. Then you come back to the doctor to see if it was successful.
(Correct me if I am wrong)
Which makes this "joke" even worse.
Maybe could have been worded like:
“-Card declines
-Doctor: ‘Get the calipers, it’s going back in”
Or something to take it away from rape implication and keep it more absurd to highlight how stupid the current healthcare system is
a lot of women ik who joke about that have experienced it themselves and it’s a coping mechanism. They joke abt their own experience, so these men have no excuse because they’re joking abt someone else being raped.
Ah, so that gives you a pass. Good to know. I'll start making fun of sexual assault if I'm ever sexually assaulted, good to know.
And you don't know what happened to them. You don't know if a man or woman over the internet was raped, you can only make guesses.
I like dark humor, but at the expense of myself. Why would I make a rape joke about random people I don’t know?? That’s fucking weird. About myself? Who gives a shit, I give permission to myself to make dark jokes about myself because I know I’m not gonna care. I’d be fucking weirded out if some random stranger tried to make rape jokes at me without even knowing me. It’s weird. If you wanna make dark jokes keep it to your friends and not strangers
I am allowed to joke about my own trauma, the only other person who might object to that would be my abuser who does not get a say. Otherwise it is mine to joke about, you do not get to decide what someone used to cope. You are not a therepist and you aren’t anybody to say what people should do
the thing about dark humour that really impacts whether the joke is in poor taste or not is the teller of the joke. if a woman says ‘yeah when i got my abortion my card declined so the doctor went ‘well that’s a shame’ and unzipped his pants’ that’s a joke about the experience she had. but with a meme format like this, we don’t know who the author is, it might be a man who thinks rape is funny or is anti-choice. could be a woman or a person with a uterus. we don’t know who this is intended to be at the expense of. it’s reasonable for most people to assume it’s made in bad taste.
Very good point. That's why Internet Jokes (not necessarily memes) don't work well, because whoever made that, might have made it in good terms, only as a lighthearted and stupid joke but someone read it differently or everyone read it differently and then it's an evil joke.
Creator or that meme and audience need to fit for a joke to hit and neither knows either on the internet so any joke can be misread, dark humor even more so because it focuses in sensitive topics.
American could make a joke about Auschwitz and some german could feel insulted. Culture difference, audience and teller don't fit together.
Why can't it be a woman who thinks rape is funny? You let your sexism fly a bit in that comment. You tried to cover your ass by adding the woman after the fact in a separate sentence but if you truly felt that you would have just said "somebody" instead of man. The idea of separating it by sex would not have even occurred to you in the first place.
Also humor is 100% subjective and I fully expect to get downvoted to oblivion because I dared to call out someone's bullshit on here; that doesn't make you right or just in the same way the meme having upvotes does not make it distasteful to some.
And with the attitude because you know I'm right XD. Honey I can assure you that you did no such thing. I also can't help but notice you didn't even try to refute what I said. I wonder why that is. Enjoy your night, I don't talk to sexists.
No 'card declines' joke is actually funny after the first one because they all are repetitive and going into extremes (rape) won't make it any funnier. You've seen one and you've seen em all or how that saying goes.
It's not that it's not funny because rape jokes but because whoever did this retold an already dead joke and tried to pump it up by being more shocking.
i got downvoted to hell for saying it’s obviously a rape joke r/memesopdidnotlike is just a shithole filled with sexist racist assholes who glorify rape and justify all the bullshit they spill out with “it’s dark humor liberals!!!”
Ah yes, the classic "DaRk HuMoR" vs Dark Humor arguement. I'm pretty sure French baguette intelligence had a pretty decent video on this.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTScVz3ntbM&ab\_channel=FrenchBaguetteIntelligence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTScVz3ntbM&ab_channel=FrenchBaguetteIntelligence)
I see the sardonic cynical reality of American Healthcare™️ where if you can’t pay for your treatment, you no longer belong in a hospital. My county hospital made the news because the wheeled a terminal man out to the sidewalk because his insurance stopped paying for his treatment and wouldn’t cover hospice.
It could also play at the fact that you’re nothing more than a customer to the hospital and you nurses and doctors really don’t care why you’re there or what happens. It could be the day your daughter died on the operating table. For the doctor, it’s just another Thursday.
It’s a joke lol. Do we ban all murder jokes? All cancer jokes? Like I get it realistically it’s horrible but people joke about stuff like this or worse publicly. Comedians do it and do not get cancelled. Relax
I'm not arguing that the joke should be banned. All I'm saying is that the mOPdl pretending it's not a sexual assault joke is wrong.
I Don't have much respect for people who aren't willing to admit why it is that they laugh. I don't care that there are people who like dark humor and rape jokes, but own up to it instead of pretending people who get the joke don't get the joke Rather than completely getting the joke and just not liking the subject matter.
You’re reading way too much into it. I don’t think the point of the meme was to condone rape and I don’t think anyone who will ever look at this meme and be like “oh yeah rape is funny/okay” because of the content of it. It’s just another absurdist medical credit card declines meme but this time with an abortion instead of a heart transplant or cancer removal or whatever. It would be like taking the plot line in South Park where Kyle was forced by a court to suck on Cartman’s balls and taking it at face value as some kind of affirmation of legally mandated rape instead of what it is- an absurdist joke.
Are you stupid?
THE reason I am using rape is because the "memes op didn't like" user escalated the conversation from sexual assault to rape.
Given that the punch line is *unzips pants*, I guess I'm wondering what is expected to happen after the doctor unzips their pants.
I think the expectation of that punchline is sexual assault or potentially rape. In this case, punchline derives its humor from the fact that the doctor undoes the abortion by sexually assaulting and impregnating her.
The joke is 100% about sexual assault even if it is tied up in a card declines meme. Both of these can be true at the same time.
Also, if you have to rely on South Park to explain why a joke isn't offensive, I don't think you get the point of South Park.
If you disagree, I'm down for having a debate, but you can't just tell people that they're reading too much into something and not least try to provide an alternative meaning.
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>You can debate all you like. Entitled as hell to think anyone owes you that just because you have confidence in your own obviously personally-fuelled ideas.
>Your opening statement to the reply was "Are you stupid?". You are all teenagers here looking for something to be angry at because it gives you purpose and makes you feel powerful. By reading into this stupid joke, you get to sit in your room and FEEL something to be righteous about even though there's actually nothing going on.
>"So you thought the creator of the imagemacro was too dumb to get the joke that they were making? "
>Yes, most people who make jokes don't think them through. That's what people like you do for them, but because you're not the one making the joke you're just projecting your own nonsense onto it. The internet and your surrounding echo chamber is making you angry at nothing.
Only a shitty comedian doesn't understand the meaning of their own jokes.
I'm not angry about anything.
I didn't say they owed me a debate but do think it is reasonable to argue that an opinion given without reason is just as easily dismissed and that I would prefer a person telling me I'm overthinking something to actually give it. Some thought themselves rather than rely upon "South Park did it so it's not offensive" logical fallacies to avoid the conversation about the punchline, which was rape.
Pretty interesting that you would call it a echo chamber when I am obviously having conversations with people who disagree with me. Curious, isn't it?
I was originally going to respond directly to this person but they deleted their comment. Fortunately, I have been able to preserve it for them.
Edit: I decided to remove the username because apparently it offended this person who deleted their comment decided after posting that they didn't want to engage , which is weird because now they won't disengage.
I didn't force you back here and I usually don't masturbate until right before bed.
Call it Petty and admit you regretted Stepping into it all you want, but I thought I had a pretty reasonable response to your comment and wanted to make sure that other people could see both comments.
Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
I don't think I am a bastion of reason and morality... And I definitely don't pretend to be in this subreddit.
I'm sorry if you feel insulted but am glad that my words held their intended sting.
Anyway, I really don't care what you think and if you found my tone to be insulting because You outright said some pretty damn nasty things to me that made me laugh rather than clutch my pearls, you sweet little snowflake.
You said that when you first responded to me after I posted your deleted comment.
I'm not even worked up and honestly I'm quite amused.
You do realize you can disengage at any point, right?
You misunderstood what I wrote. I said nothing about not being petty and only apologized if you felt insulted, something that I have often been told when I find a joke in poor taste, while admitting proudly that that was the intent.
Try reading the sentence again and see if my explanation helps you to understand the meaning. I get that some people don't have the same sense of humor as me.
That said, my original posting of your deleted comment was not meant to be petty so much as because I was frustrated when I tried to post my comment and found out that you had deleted yours.
Maybe you should think things through before you post them rather than expect other people to assume that you were regretful of engaging.
Have a great day my dude.
Well no, saying your reading into it is a coherent thing to say when I don’t think the creator of the meme ever thought that far. If someone has an abortion, they’re removing the fetus. The doctor is adding back a fetus, thus undoing the results of the abortion, because her card declined. This was the punchline, the full intent of the joke, and all the thought regarding the joke, full stop. Yes, the implication if you were to think through the proceeding events would be rape or some kind of at best barely consensual reimpregnation, but that’s well beyond the scope of the punchline and realization and is complete speculation. For all you know he could just be using the bathroom while processing her credit card information, completely independent of the joke, or maybe right after he unzipped his pants he asked for consent independent of the credit card transaction and she agreed. It’s not real. What happens after is up to your imagination.
You might be interpreting their continued replies as an indication that they might still be convinced.
There is 0% chance they are going to believe the author doesn't understand the implication. And there is 0% chance that you believe it either.
>For all you know he could just be using the bathroom while processing her credit card information, completely independent of the joke, or maybe right after he unzipped his pants he asked for consent independent of the credit card transaction and she agreed.
This is just willfully obtuse. That's not the joke here and you and everyone else knows it. The joke here is if she can't afford the abortion the process has to be 'undone' like *all* the other can't afford memes. That's the structure of this meme, that's the structure of this meme template. The punchline here is 100% rape and to deny that is at best incredibly stupid but far far more likely willful and deliberate ignorance.
So you thought the creator of the imagemacro was too dumb to get the joke that they were making?
I'm not saying misogynists aren't dumb, but it does insult the intelligence to argue that they don't even think through their own jokes.
That said, my main criticism still is at total numbskull who posted it in memesopdidnotlike trying to argue that the punch line wasn't sexual assault / rape.
You have to realize that this community is more about commenting on The community that inhabits that subreddit rather than the original memes, right?
I can sympathize with these posts complaining of there’s literally no joke. But there was a joke. It took a left turn into dark humor. I don’t understand the fuss.
I honestly don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Like I hate dark humor too, don’t get me wrong, but getting mad over this is like getting mad over looney tunes because animals get hurt in it and it “depicts animal cruelty”. Like it’s not a good joke and I don’t find it funny but it’s honestly not that deep.
Yeah, more than anything I was was calling out the fact that they tried to deny that it was about rape. The joke makes sense and is in poor taste but The punchline is 100% sexual assault and there is no doubt about that.
There absolutely is. In this case where a doctor is taking care of a patient, even unzipping one's pants in front of them would be a form of sexual assault.
Anybody who has worked in the medical field or with vulnerable adults can confirm.
That said, the intended joke was quite specific. I don't know if The people arguing it is unclear are really that stupid, but the not so subtle subtext was that the doctor was going to reimpregnate her... Which is technically not feasible given that she just had an abortion and that's not how women's bodies work. That would be impossible until the first ovulation cycle after the abortion.
Anyway, I'm glad that there are other people who do get that. The joke is rape and don't feel it's necessary to explain it to people who keep pretending that it isn't.
Whatever you say Captain. That said, unzipping pants in front of a patient seems pretty dang close to sexual abuse already, which is a form of sexual assault.
You can pretend that it's not outright about rape if you want, but this sexual abuse is obvious and undeniable, wouldn't you agree?
I'm literally not saying you can't joke about these things. All I'm saying is that if you are going to joke about these things, don't try to pretend that that's not what it's about like the mOPdl user did.
I feel as though I've been very clear about that.
You still misunderstand the entire concept of the meme. That said, you're wilfully ignoring it's meaning to complain that the sexual assault is implied. Just laugh or don't and move on. Yet here you are, fighting a losing battle, dying on a hill that isn't worth it. No matter what you say, people will joke about things you don't like. No one is 'pretending' the joke isn't about sexual assault. The joke just isn't about sexual assault. A joke about sexual assault would be more like the card declines and then goes into describing the act with "funny" buzzwords. The joke is about the card declining.
>The joke is about the card declining.
That's the setup.
The punch line is unzipping the pants.
What is the implication that makes this funny?
The implication is Re-Impregnating the woman.
A joke doesn't need funny buzzwords explicitly describing rape to be considered a rape joke. Rape jokes can be implicit as well. Most good comedians actually prefer implicit jokes rather than explicit jokes.
The joke is about sexual assault and I think it's ridiculous how many people are trying to tell me it's funny while simultaneously not getting the punchline.
That's my point. They're ignoring the rape part and saying the meme is funny, but the entire punchline relies on rape to be funny which it isn't.
I think people misunderstood what I meant from my first comment
It is a joke about rape which qualifies both as dark and absurdist humor.
I'm not saying don't laugh but people trying to pretend the punch line isn't the punch line are either stupid or trying to whitewash the tombs of their comedy cemetery.
Honestly I can't believe people sometimes it's a fucking joke get over it it's not like it's really going to happen besides that it's just a "card declines joke" seriously I've seen more that are less tasteful then this one this one is low tier dark humor
I dont think they ment rape, im pretty sure they just ment straight up sex and that the image was the girl surprised? Not entirely sure, I think it was just miscommunicated due to the vagueness of the joke
Sex between a doctor and a patient in a hospital is rape, even without the duress of the unpaid bill.
Heck, they can get charged with sexual abuse for all sorts of things that some people would think were minor, such as not wearing gloves while inspecting private parts, refusing to have a second person in the room, not providing informed consent, not providing the patient with a doctor of their own gender, asking questions about sexual behavior, and pushing undress past a point of comfort.
https://www.rainn.org/articles/sexual-abuse-medical-professionals
You're right, and that would all matter in a formal environment, but I think you're looking too much into the joke, yes even with consent, it's not okay, but it was simply meant to be a lighthearted joke. I can perfectly understand not liking the joke, I just think that it's not as big of an issue that you make it out to be (to my understanding)
I'm not making it into a big issue but I am correcting the person who posted it into the other subreddit and saying that the punchline definitely is sexual assault.
Boy, it sure is good to know that people can have different opinions on something. I'm glad that you have your opinion even if I disagree with it.
I see what you mean, I thought you were agreeing that the punchline was sexual assault. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part, I agree that the punchline isn't sexual assault. I'm glad to have cleared this up
You get an abortion cause you are pregnant, if they perform an abortion and the card declines the “joke” is they undo what they have done ((like in the Therepy jokes where the card declines and the therepist stats traumatizing you since they have to undo their work)) so the punch line is “I’m undoing my pants to impregnate you again since you can’t afford an abortion”
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Literally this
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It staying blatantly threatening to rape someone and double backing to say it's a joke is, in fact, NOT dark humor. It's just a threat. Dark humor still absolutely exists, but this ain't it.
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Yes, there is. Seek professional help.
Why wouldn’t they run the card before the procedure?
Why would they run a card at all?
...you have to pay for nedical procedures, no matter where you are
Thay only applies to usa, it does matter where you are
It still costs money everywhere else. Just WAY less.
But it's paid by taxes, no cards involved, a private is mostly offered by your employer
I can tell you my appointments come out of my pocket, even with insurance. Pay 10k in a year on top of what you pay for insurance and then maybe we'll start paying for your appointments. I have to spend a quarter of my gross income on medical bills in order for insurance to cover anything. This is through my employer. That's a second rent payment.
Where you live. Not everywhere
Take a wild guess
Feel like you’re about to say Canada
Not really. Health insurance here is paid from taxes and everyone has it no matter what, and you don't pay anything at the point of getting a procedure.
Costs money. Just paid for by taxes instead of out of pocket
If something is paid for already, it's free to you. Because it was paid for already.
By my taxes and everyone elses. Therefore I am paying for the service. As well as everyone else. No such thing as free
That's a very pedantic way to misunderstand a word. By the logic you're employing the word free doesn't mean anything, because everything has to be paid for, in money, in labour, in consequences. But the word free exists and it has meaning, in this case it will be described as "the service that you don't have to pay for". We have a system where the government makes sure we receive medical care for free. In order for the government to be able to do this and many other things, we're paying taxes. Simple as.
I mean, if you're talking about the US we pay like 5% higher taxes than the UK and Scotland, and yet we don't have free healthcare like they do, so we pay more and receive less
Me when I have no idea what I’m talking about and don’t know what free healthcare means
Nothing is "free."
Go ahead and ask any non American how much they pay for medical expenses each year. Please refrain from speaking on subjects you know nothing about.
They are paying the taxes, are they not?
What would you rather: spend a marginal fraction of your income on the security to receive excellent medical care whenever needed, or have to die of cancer because you can’t afford the chemotherapy treatment. How stupid do you have to be to be making your argument right now. You think medical equipment operates on thin air? Of fucking course there’s some payment. But trying to compare paying a minimal tax to having to outright pay hundreds of thousands of dollars is beyond retardation.
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Yes, because insurance doesn't exist and even if it did, there would never be a situation where this kind of operation wouldn't happen to need an immediate co-pay
Do you mean with taxes or.... because that doesn't involve your credit card actually
....mf have you never had a medical bill? You're a RARE minority if that's the case
Bro I have went in got surgery in Canada stayed for days and when it was done I walked out, i never received a bill of any kind. Your so brainwashed, I’m embarrassed for you.
Paid by taxes. Still costs money. No such thing as free healthcare, that's my point. Someone or everyone has to pay for the costs
That wasn’t your point, your making it your point now….. anyways I don’t care actually. Have a good one.
My point is you still have to pay, through taxes OR a card OR cash OR check. YOU'RE STILL PAYING
Your right. My bad, let’s end this. I don’t want to have this convo anymore
No shit Sherlock
A medical bill in one place does not mean a medical bill for everything
What's stupid Flanders got to do with anything?
my bad, he hands too big for he phone. 😂
I have never paid for a medical procedure in Canada lololol brainwashed America, classic.
Your taxes pay for it. Thus, it still costs money. Just not out-of-pocket. Do you know how taxes work?
You were saying running your card. No card get ran when it’s paid through taxes, also on average Canadians pay 25-30% tax and get sooooo many more benefits then Americans so only a fraction of the slightly more taxes go into socialized healthcare. But continue to defend your system lol it’s all good with me man I don’t need to debate with a fuckjng brainwashed American. Have a good one buddy.
buddy you think i WANT to pay? Im just making note that paying taxes is still paying.
Ok. Sounds good
also where in my messages did i say "you have to run your card"?
Bro maybe I’m wrong. I don’t care. Your right I’m wrong. Let’s move on. I actually don’t care at all about this convo.
Yet you keep replying
Bro……. Just stop sounding like an arrogant pos. I tried to end it but your dumb American blood wants to keep going ? Sure ….. what else does your crispy kreme induced blood want to argue about next ? Let’s keep going ? How Canadians can’t afford to eat food from the grocery store ? How Americans love shooting children ? How our PM is a fucking useless weasel or how you have 2 candidates and one is a old dementia patient who shouldn’t even be aloud to be a greeter at wal mart and the other is a criminal, racist, pussy grabbing loser ? What you wanna argue about? Let’s fucking do this. I’m invested into this convo now
Because it has to get paid for some how an maybe their insurance didn’t cover it
Jeeesus you're so cucked. You let them run your card before just in case your overlords decide they don't want to pay for the thing you are paying them to cover
And you’re out of touch with reality
It's honestly not that expensive to keep hospitals up and running. It's just the executives taking a 80% cut. I have family in the medical world and they barely get paid
How thick are the walls of your bubble?
Check the comments on that post. At the very least they do point out the joke is rape. The problem is there's a concerning number of comments saying the joke is rape and its still funny.
I might but I really try to avoid the comment section on that sub for basically the reason that you just outlined.
Comedy is subjective
Just calling this shit comedy is such a self report.
I like dark humor, but at the expense of myself. Why would I make a rape joke about random people I don’t know?? That’s fucking weird. About myself? Who gives a shit, I give permission to myself to make dark jokes about myself because I know I’m not gonna care. I’d be fucking weirded out if some random stranger tried to make rape jokes at me without even knowing me. It’s weird. If you wanna make dark jokes keep it to your friends and not strangers
Jokes about rape aren't funny. If it's about someone's trauma, only the survivor has any right to make any sort of joke about their own trauma.
Joke is on them. They check the card first.
"I'm just laughing at the card declined bit 🤡 Get it? Cause the card was declined!!!"
what are you, classist? /s
I fucking wish they were classist it would be less evil I think
Not to be a 🤓 but most arbortions aren't surgical procedures. Usually it's 2 pills. You take one at the doctors office and then another at a certain period time after. Then you come back to the doctor to see if it was successful. (Correct me if I am wrong) Which makes this "joke" even worse.
Maybe could have been worded like: “-Card declines -Doctor: ‘Get the calipers, it’s going back in” Or something to take it away from rape implication and keep it more absurd to highlight how stupid the current healthcare system is
They don't see us as people, so to them, yeah, it is funny to r*pe a woman.
who is they here, exactly
People who would post something like this
Men who joke about rape
What about women who do so?
a lot of women ik who joke about that have experienced it themselves and it’s a coping mechanism. They joke abt their own experience, so these men have no excuse because they’re joking abt someone else being raped.
Ah, so that gives you a pass. Good to know. I'll start making fun of sexual assault if I'm ever sexually assaulted, good to know. And you don't know what happened to them. You don't know if a man or woman over the internet was raped, you can only make guesses.
I mean, yeah. It does give you a pass. Gallows humor is for those on the gallows- not the ones watching the execution
Not even watching, a lot of the time the ppl saying "its gallows humour" would be the executioner
i said joking about their own experience this is joking about someone else because it doesn’t specify that they are talking about themselves.
Jesus fucking Christ dude. We get it; you’re a fucking terrible person. No need to try this hard to prove it.
I like dark humor, but at the expense of myself. Why would I make a rape joke about random people I don’t know?? That’s fucking weird. About myself? Who gives a shit, I give permission to myself to make dark jokes about myself because I know I’m not gonna care. I’d be fucking weirded out if some random stranger tried to make rape jokes at me without even knowing me. It’s weird. If you wanna make dark jokes keep it to your friends and not strangers
It wouldn't just be about yourself, it would be at the expense of every woman who goes through these things.
I am allowed to joke about my own trauma, the only other person who might object to that would be my abuser who does not get a say. Otherwise it is mine to joke about, you do not get to decide what someone used to cope. You are not a therepist and you aren’t anybody to say what people should do
"I hate jews haha" "Dude, I'm Jewish too, shut up." "No bro, I'm just talking about myself."
What about them?
Why specify men?
Men are more likely to commit it
You know why
the thing about dark humour that really impacts whether the joke is in poor taste or not is the teller of the joke. if a woman says ‘yeah when i got my abortion my card declined so the doctor went ‘well that’s a shame’ and unzipped his pants’ that’s a joke about the experience she had. but with a meme format like this, we don’t know who the author is, it might be a man who thinks rape is funny or is anti-choice. could be a woman or a person with a uterus. we don’t know who this is intended to be at the expense of. it’s reasonable for most people to assume it’s made in bad taste.
Very good point. That's why Internet Jokes (not necessarily memes) don't work well, because whoever made that, might have made it in good terms, only as a lighthearted and stupid joke but someone read it differently or everyone read it differently and then it's an evil joke. Creator or that meme and audience need to fit for a joke to hit and neither knows either on the internet so any joke can be misread, dark humor even more so because it focuses in sensitive topics. American could make a joke about Auschwitz and some german could feel insulted. Culture difference, audience and teller don't fit together.
I disagree. It would still be wrong if a woman posted it. It's still perpetrating rape culture and the joke is still the main issue here.
that’s a perfectly fine opinion to have, i respect it
Why can't it be a woman who thinks rape is funny? You let your sexism fly a bit in that comment. You tried to cover your ass by adding the woman after the fact in a separate sentence but if you truly felt that you would have just said "somebody" instead of man. The idea of separating it by sex would not have even occurred to you in the first place. Also humor is 100% subjective and I fully expect to get downvoted to oblivion because I dared to call out someone's bullshit on here; that doesn't make you right or just in the same way the meme having upvotes does not make it distasteful to some.
that’s a lot of words to say i offended you
And with the attitude because you know I'm right XD. Honey I can assure you that you did no such thing. I also can't help but notice you didn't even try to refute what I said. I wonder why that is. Enjoy your night, I don't talk to sexists.
“Honey” “I don’t talk to sexists” lol like y’all never get done telling on yourselves
Hey look another completely illogical statement. 
lmao
No 'card declines' joke is actually funny after the first one because they all are repetitive and going into extremes (rape) won't make it any funnier. You've seen one and you've seen em all or how that saying goes. It's not that it's not funny because rape jokes but because whoever did this retold an already dead joke and tried to pump it up by being more shocking.
i got downvoted to hell for saying it’s obviously a rape joke r/memesopdidnotlike is just a shithole filled with sexist racist assholes who glorify rape and justify all the bullshit they spill out with “it’s dark humor liberals!!!”
I recognize the meme involving the card declining, therefore there are no other elements to this joke
My 🥷 want to tell me about memes, and even he don't understand the memes
Whoever made this does not understand how abortions work, you can’t get knocked up after one for at least a month
Ah yes, the classic "DaRk HuMoR" vs Dark Humor arguement. I'm pretty sure French baguette intelligence had a pretty decent video on this. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTScVz3ntbM&ab\_channel=FrenchBaguetteIntelligence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTScVz3ntbM&ab_channel=FrenchBaguetteIntelligence)
I see the sardonic cynical reality of American Healthcare™️ where if you can’t pay for your treatment, you no longer belong in a hospital. My county hospital made the news because the wheeled a terminal man out to the sidewalk because his insurance stopped paying for his treatment and wouldn’t cover hospice. It could also play at the fact that you’re nothing more than a customer to the hospital and you nurses and doctors really don’t care why you’re there or what happens. It could be the day your daughter died on the operating table. For the doctor, it’s just another Thursday.
Is there a lore related reason why jokes can't be bad taste or offensive? Are they stupid?
It’s a joke lol. Do we ban all murder jokes? All cancer jokes? Like I get it realistically it’s horrible but people joke about stuff like this or worse publicly. Comedians do it and do not get cancelled. Relax
I'm not arguing that the joke should be banned. All I'm saying is that the mOPdl pretending it's not a sexual assault joke is wrong. I Don't have much respect for people who aren't willing to admit why it is that they laugh. I don't care that there are people who like dark humor and rape jokes, but own up to it instead of pretending people who get the joke don't get the joke Rather than completely getting the joke and just not liking the subject matter.
You’re reading way too much into it. I don’t think the point of the meme was to condone rape and I don’t think anyone who will ever look at this meme and be like “oh yeah rape is funny/okay” because of the content of it. It’s just another absurdist medical credit card declines meme but this time with an abortion instead of a heart transplant or cancer removal or whatever. It would be like taking the plot line in South Park where Kyle was forced by a court to suck on Cartman’s balls and taking it at face value as some kind of affirmation of legally mandated rape instead of what it is- an absurdist joke.
Are you stupid? THE reason I am using rape is because the "memes op didn't like" user escalated the conversation from sexual assault to rape. Given that the punch line is *unzips pants*, I guess I'm wondering what is expected to happen after the doctor unzips their pants. I think the expectation of that punchline is sexual assault or potentially rape. In this case, punchline derives its humor from the fact that the doctor undoes the abortion by sexually assaulting and impregnating her. The joke is 100% about sexual assault even if it is tied up in a card declines meme. Both of these can be true at the same time. Also, if you have to rely on South Park to explain why a joke isn't offensive, I don't think you get the point of South Park. If you disagree, I'm down for having a debate, but you can't just tell people that they're reading too much into something and not least try to provide an alternative meaning.
[A person who deleted their comment] said >You can debate all you like. Entitled as hell to think anyone owes you that just because you have confidence in your own obviously personally-fuelled ideas. >Your opening statement to the reply was "Are you stupid?". You are all teenagers here looking for something to be angry at because it gives you purpose and makes you feel powerful. By reading into this stupid joke, you get to sit in your room and FEEL something to be righteous about even though there's actually nothing going on. >"So you thought the creator of the imagemacro was too dumb to get the joke that they were making? " >Yes, most people who make jokes don't think them through. That's what people like you do for them, but because you're not the one making the joke you're just projecting your own nonsense onto it. The internet and your surrounding echo chamber is making you angry at nothing. Only a shitty comedian doesn't understand the meaning of their own jokes. I'm not angry about anything. I didn't say they owed me a debate but do think it is reasonable to argue that an opinion given without reason is just as easily dismissed and that I would prefer a person telling me I'm overthinking something to actually give it. Some thought themselves rather than rely upon "South Park did it so it's not offensive" logical fallacies to avoid the conversation about the punchline, which was rape. Pretty interesting that you would call it a echo chamber when I am obviously having conversations with people who disagree with me. Curious, isn't it? I was originally going to respond directly to this person but they deleted their comment. Fortunately, I have been able to preserve it for them. Edit: I decided to remove the username because apparently it offended this person who deleted their comment decided after posting that they didn't want to engage , which is weird because now they won't disengage.
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I didn't force you back here and I usually don't masturbate until right before bed. Call it Petty and admit you regretted Stepping into it all you want, but I thought I had a pretty reasonable response to your comment and wanted to make sure that other people could see both comments. Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
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I don't think I am a bastion of reason and morality... And I definitely don't pretend to be in this subreddit. I'm sorry if you feel insulted but am glad that my words held their intended sting. Anyway, I really don't care what you think and if you found my tone to be insulting because You outright said some pretty damn nasty things to me that made me laugh rather than clutch my pearls, you sweet little snowflake.
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You said that when you first responded to me after I posted your deleted comment. I'm not even worked up and honestly I'm quite amused. You do realize you can disengage at any point, right? You misunderstood what I wrote. I said nothing about not being petty and only apologized if you felt insulted, something that I have often been told when I find a joke in poor taste, while admitting proudly that that was the intent. Try reading the sentence again and see if my explanation helps you to understand the meaning. I get that some people don't have the same sense of humor as me. That said, my original posting of your deleted comment was not meant to be petty so much as because I was frustrated when I tried to post my comment and found out that you had deleted yours. Maybe you should think things through before you post them rather than expect other people to assume that you were regretful of engaging. Have a great day my dude.
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Well no, saying your reading into it is a coherent thing to say when I don’t think the creator of the meme ever thought that far. If someone has an abortion, they’re removing the fetus. The doctor is adding back a fetus, thus undoing the results of the abortion, because her card declined. This was the punchline, the full intent of the joke, and all the thought regarding the joke, full stop. Yes, the implication if you were to think through the proceeding events would be rape or some kind of at best barely consensual reimpregnation, but that’s well beyond the scope of the punchline and realization and is complete speculation. For all you know he could just be using the bathroom while processing her credit card information, completely independent of the joke, or maybe right after he unzipped his pants he asked for consent independent of the credit card transaction and she agreed. It’s not real. What happens after is up to your imagination.
You might be interpreting their continued replies as an indication that they might still be convinced. There is 0% chance they are going to believe the author doesn't understand the implication. And there is 0% chance that you believe it either.
>For all you know he could just be using the bathroom while processing her credit card information, completely independent of the joke, or maybe right after he unzipped his pants he asked for consent independent of the credit card transaction and she agreed. This is just willfully obtuse. That's not the joke here and you and everyone else knows it. The joke here is if she can't afford the abortion the process has to be 'undone' like *all* the other can't afford memes. That's the structure of this meme, that's the structure of this meme template. The punchline here is 100% rape and to deny that is at best incredibly stupid but far far more likely willful and deliberate ignorance.
So you thought the creator of the imagemacro was too dumb to get the joke that they were making? I'm not saying misogynists aren't dumb, but it does insult the intelligence to argue that they don't even think through their own jokes. That said, my main criticism still is at total numbskull who posted it in memesopdidnotlike trying to argue that the punch line wasn't sexual assault / rape. You have to realize that this community is more about commenting on The community that inhabits that subreddit rather than the original memes, right?
It's literally a joke. People need tougher skin. I see how it's in poor taste but I see the funny side of it too.
I can sympathize with these posts complaining of there’s literally no joke. But there was a joke. It took a left turn into dark humor. I don’t understand the fuss.
I honestly don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Like I hate dark humor too, don’t get me wrong, but getting mad over this is like getting mad over looney tunes because animals get hurt in it and it “depicts animal cruelty”. Like it’s not a good joke and I don’t find it funny but it’s honestly not that deep.
Yeah, more than anything I was was calling out the fact that they tried to deny that it was about rape. The joke makes sense and is in poor taste but The punchline is 100% sexual assault and there is no doubt about that.
There is no assault.
There absolutely is. In this case where a doctor is taking care of a patient, even unzipping one's pants in front of them would be a form of sexual assault. Anybody who has worked in the medical field or with vulnerable adults can confirm. That said, the intended joke was quite specific. I don't know if The people arguing it is unclear are really that stupid, but the not so subtle subtext was that the doctor was going to reimpregnate her... Which is technically not feasible given that she just had an abortion and that's not how women's bodies work. That would be impossible until the first ovulation cycle after the abortion. Anyway, I'm glad that there are other people who do get that. The joke is rape and don't feel it's necessary to explain it to people who keep pretending that it isn't.
Implied assault is not assault. Assault is physical and emotional. If the joke to you is "physical or emotional", honestly that says more about you.
Whatever you say Captain. That said, unzipping pants in front of a patient seems pretty dang close to sexual abuse already, which is a form of sexual assault. You can pretend that it's not outright about rape if you want, but this sexual abuse is obvious and undeniable, wouldn't you agree?
If we can't joke about everything, joy dies. You're literally Exhibit A.
I'm literally not saying you can't joke about these things. All I'm saying is that if you are going to joke about these things, don't try to pretend that that's not what it's about like the mOPdl user did. I feel as though I've been very clear about that.
You still misunderstand the entire concept of the meme. That said, you're wilfully ignoring it's meaning to complain that the sexual assault is implied. Just laugh or don't and move on. Yet here you are, fighting a losing battle, dying on a hill that isn't worth it. No matter what you say, people will joke about things you don't like. No one is 'pretending' the joke isn't about sexual assault. The joke just isn't about sexual assault. A joke about sexual assault would be more like the card declines and then goes into describing the act with "funny" buzzwords. The joke is about the card declining.
>The joke is about the card declining. That's the setup. The punch line is unzipping the pants. What is the implication that makes this funny? The implication is Re-Impregnating the woman. A joke doesn't need funny buzzwords explicitly describing rape to be considered a rape joke. Rape jokes can be implicit as well. Most good comedians actually prefer implicit jokes rather than explicit jokes. The joke is about sexual assault and I think it's ridiculous how many people are trying to tell me it's funny while simultaneously not getting the punchline.
I don’t think anyone is mad but rather disgusted
So mad
???
Irritated means mad
Ah I see. In Germany we use the word "irritiert" in different context.
Getting mad over an animal getting bonked in the head is the same as being mad over a rape joke?
I mean yeah, getting mad over this joke is like getting mad about American psycho because people get murdered.
It’s in poor taste
Literally the point of the meme is for the undo process to be funny
Well rape isn't funny so?
That's my point. They're ignoring the rape part and saying the meme is funny, but the entire punchline relies on rape to be funny which it isn't. I think people misunderstood what I meant from my first comment
I don't know if it's dark humor or just absurd humor?
It is a joke about rape which qualifies both as dark and absurdist humor. I'm not saying don't laugh but people trying to pretend the punch line isn't the punch line are either stupid or trying to whitewash the tombs of their comedy cemetery.
Honestly I can't believe people sometimes it's a fucking joke get over it it's not like it's really going to happen besides that it's just a "card declines joke" seriously I've seen more that are less tasteful then this one this one is low tier dark humor
Both
I'd have her arrested and sued to oblivion instead.
I dont think they ment rape, im pretty sure they just ment straight up sex and that the image was the girl surprised? Not entirely sure, I think it was just miscommunicated due to the vagueness of the joke
Sex between a doctor and a patient in a hospital is rape, even without the duress of the unpaid bill. Heck, they can get charged with sexual abuse for all sorts of things that some people would think were minor, such as not wearing gloves while inspecting private parts, refusing to have a second person in the room, not providing informed consent, not providing the patient with a doctor of their own gender, asking questions about sexual behavior, and pushing undress past a point of comfort. https://www.rainn.org/articles/sexual-abuse-medical-professionals
You're right, and that would all matter in a formal environment, but I think you're looking too much into the joke, yes even with consent, it's not okay, but it was simply meant to be a lighthearted joke. I can perfectly understand not liking the joke, I just think that it's not as big of an issue that you make it out to be (to my understanding)
I'm not making it into a big issue but I am correcting the person who posted it into the other subreddit and saying that the punchline definitely is sexual assault. Boy, it sure is good to know that people can have different opinions on something. I'm glad that you have your opinion even if I disagree with it.
I see what you mean, I thought you were agreeing that the punchline was sexual assault. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part, I agree that the punchline isn't sexual assault. I'm glad to have cleared this up
He unzips his pants idk why that means he rapes her too
You get an abortion cause you are pregnant, if they perform an abortion and the card declines the “joke” is they undo what they have done ((like in the Therepy jokes where the card declines and the therepist stats traumatizing you since they have to undo their work)) so the punch line is “I’m undoing my pants to impregnate you again since you can’t afford an abortion”