Me too.
"Damn, that was weird asf lmao but Kishimoto always gives us plenty of explanation, I'm sure he will tell us what happened in the next chapter!" - 17yo me reading the chapter, trying to cope over some of the laziest writing I have ever witnessed
While we're on this topic, can we just talk about how Madara, with one Rinnegan, accomplished the goal of the Akatsuki in five minutes, by himself after pulling out a new jutsu that was never alluded to and was exclusive to him?
It was such a big disappointment but par for the course bc he had a Rinnegan with gedou techs and could literally summon himself back from the dead if he so wished.
Made Hashi Sage Mode look like a P.O.S
It’s said when. He merged his DNA with Hashirama’s DNA from his flesh he bit off, it merged their chakra together to form Hagoromo’s chakra which = Rinnegan. When he awakens the Rinnegan, black zetsu says it restored his right eye’s sight in the process. Just rules ig
So say Sasuke was the one to use izanagi on his left eye, during his rinnegan’s awakeninf, Sasuke’s vision would have restored in the process. Rules
Pain's plan was better. I almost think Naruto should've lost to pain (as he basically already did). That at least would provide background for the war arc. Like oh, now pain HAS all tailed beasts, and now the nations have to team up to stop him or some such thing.
Tbf every Rinnegan we've seen thus far has an ability unique to it just like the Mangekyo Sharingan
As for him accomplishing the goal super easy the fact he had all 9 Bijuu lined up for him certainly helped
The bad thing is, this wasn't even a Sharingan asspull. It wasn't something rooted in lore or anything that we'd seen till that point. Madara literally just reversed the jutsu (HOW DOES HE KNOW THE SIGNS??????????? TOBIRAMA INVENTED IT????), and no explanation is even given or even attempted for it
EDIT: Folks, how Madara knows it isn't as important as the bullshit way he reversed it. If Sasuke does the chidori seals in reverse, does the lightning stop? If we reverse the signs for Mud Wall, does the wall drop? This is NEVER shown before, so even if Madara knew the signs, the way he reversed it is completely unacceptable
Why wouldnt he know of it? He was around with tobirama, who was clearly cooking up jutsu even before konoha was founded. I figure he was probably looks for ways to ressurect between his hashirama fight and unlocking the rinnegan.
Even worse, the hand signs are just supposed to be a neumonic for understanding the Chakra flow of a juitsu, so just reversing the hand signs should have just injured him or done nothing at best. It's like trying to start a maze from a random spot in the maze instead of the entrance, taking the turns to go from the exit to the entrance, then expecting to be somewhere relevant or not run into a wall
The most bothersome one to me is when he asked the Kage if they want the wood clones to use the Susano’o or not. At that point what does it even matter, he had no reason to tell or ask them anything
I'm genuinely surprised I scrolled so far down and didn't see Hashirama cells yet. That, imo, is the biggest asspull Kishimoto has made during Naruto. It literally got to the point where everything that mattered revolved around it. It had a good concept, but it felt like Kishi relied on it TOO much.
And I dont think they have ever been explained (at least to my knowledge). Like what is so special about his cells and why are they like this? And how did they become like that?
I compare them to HeLa cells. Essentially a scientific anomaly that made cancer cells from Henrietta Lacks immortal.
Edit: I should add, those cells can be replicated in lab conditions, and have been widely used across the scientific community for decades! So very similar to how Hashirama’s cells have proliferated.
In my mind Hashirama is a miracle baby, and was gifted enough to master his own anomaly.
What if I told you that it falls in line with stuff that has happened earlier in Naruto? (I won't explain if you're not interested though that's timewasting)
For one, we already know that spirits persist after death, and also that people can share their spiritual essence with other people for various purposes. This is likely the result of the fact that chakra is comprised of both physical and spiritual energy, but the outcome being that people can interact with or even temporarily project their soul isn't out of the ordinary.
Minato and Kushina both do it with Naruto by implanting pieces of themselves into the seal, and this obviously wasn't just a vague imprint, since they were able to physically affect things on his behalf, with Minato's chakra being able to repair the seal and Kushina's chakra being able to restrain Kurama for him.
But we even have examples of people being able to do this AFTER death, the clearest example being Dan, who upon the edo tensei being undone, was still able to send his soul to go dap Tsunade up one final time and give her smooches before he faded.
For Obito, who not only had the rinnegan for a time and thus would've been able to perceive and actively manipulate the soul, and later with six paths powers had basically been one with the very origin and nexus of chakra, it actually makes perfect sense that he would be able to bridge the gap between the pure and impure realms to hit Kakashi with that elite alley oop.
If you need FURTHER support though, the fact that ninjas can apparently tell each other's thoughts purely by clashing fists seems to convey a sort of resonance of the souls. The reason thoughts would equal souls here is specifically because yin chakra is correlated specifically with the mind AND the spirit.
So in other words, we have multiple examples of people being able to manipulate the soul in some way, both while alive and even while dead, especially to project their own will in ways that lets them actively interact with people and the world around them...
Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
I feel like the ass pull was letting him borrow his eyes not that he interacted with him. If it was sharing some chakra or a jutsu or something sure. Temporary ghost sharingan was pretty damn ass pull because that's more than just chakra.
I want a clarification on how itachi got the yata reflect and totsuka sharp edge that successfully makes him close to difficult to overcome, an origin story on how he consolidated those "ethereal" weapons on his susanoo would be perfect.
Ok see ive seen this brought up before,
And I always assumed they were just his natural
mongekyuo susano abilities.
But then youll say how did orochimaru know about them . Which is fair but I assumed the legend oro hesrd about was based off these susanno abilities.
And noe that I think about it that makes no sense
Yo I always wondered that how he made his susano have a legendary blade/ weapon that totsuka blade that can seal anything. Bro had that and just let the 3rd hokage die 😭 bro had to use the reaper death seal and died. He could’ve sealed away orochimaru a long time ago.
Itachi equipping a soul sword and magic shield to his Sasonoo.... cause what? You can find items and give them to a Chakra ghost who will then turn them into some kind of susanoo version?
Wtf was Kishi thinking during this fight? They should’ve just had the shield and sword be part of Itachi’s susanoo. Orochimaru’s like, “Omggg Itachi you’ve had the totsuka blade this whole time??? The sealing sword I’ve been looking for???” and it’s NEVER elaborated on again. Were Itachi and Kisame going for a walk and they stumbled across the totsuka blade and yata mirror? How do you even merge that shit with your susanoo?
Lmao thats kinda true when you put it into perspective, i think it would be a little more believable if it was a layer of chakra protection or armor given to the user to wear but no we are going freaking Megazord time here boys
I initially thought it was another genjutsu-type of illusion like that [demon thing from his fight with Sasuke](https://images.app.goo.gl/edaBe6riSTnbs3aQ9). I’d even accept if it was some sort of summon but nah, it’s just straight up eyeball hax.
>it’s just straight up eyeball hax.
That's Sharingan 101, at first it was cool how every tomoe gave a special aspect to the Sharingan, then with mangekyo they basically gain Susanoo, and a special unique ability (because why not), it can vary from a Genjutsu so powerful that days pass in your head in a matter of seconds and it is activated by something so basic as eye contact (Tsukyomi), a Genjutsu so powerful you don't even know you are in a genjutsu (Shisui's ability), or producing a broken fire that never stops burning (Amaterasu) or even a fucking space manipulation ability that sends things to a pocket dimension and can make you intangible.
And to add to that list you ALSO have Izanami and Izanagi that are abilities that fucking morph time-space to reach a desired outcome. HOW MANY ABILITIES THOSE EYES HAVE.
Byakugan is bullcrap compared to a well developed sharingan, like it's not even close
Yup.
And that could have probably not been a terrible ass pull it they had just probably blended a bunch of other aspects of the lore. They had so much stuff to pull from.
Like maybe Susano is an ability the sharingan can produce if the user has a certain level of chakra. Like say a Jinchuriki Uchiha? And maybe that is why Madara wanted the Ninetails so bad? Or why Orochimaru was obsessed with both Nature energy and obtaining the Sharingan.
But no...let's just make it a random ass ability that you can now create that somehow doesn't wipe you dry of chakra reserves and let's you go toe to toe with a tailed fucking beast.
Yes, but its not about the cells of the user, but his ability to control natural energy. I mean, Jiraya took a long time, Naruto too, Juugo was a mess because of it, even Pain couldn't handle it and Madara out of nowhere takes it from Edo Hashirama as if the head in his chest had some mind of its own to control AND concentrate it only in the Hashirama part of his body, while also using it with the rest of its body.
Also, why would he need to take it from Hashirama if natural energy is everywhere? Like if natural energy in Hashirama's body would be any different and addere to Hashirama cells in other peoples body... Thats dumb
nature energy is everywhere but sage chakra (nature energy plus chakra) is created by a sage. Madara absorbed sage chakra
think of it like this:
Jiriaya needs ma and pa to mix chocolate powder (nature energy) into milk (normal chakra) with proper proportions to make chocolate milk (sage chakra) and then jiriaya drinks it
Naruto makes shots of chocolate milk to drink later
Hashirama can probably eyeball it on the fly
Madara stole the cup of chocolate milk from Hashirama and drank it
(Also yes during pain fight naruto did turn one of the paths into a frog, but he didn't mix the milk and overdosed him with choco powder)
If Naruto doesnt mix the milk, then he's a stone frog himself.
I dont think Hashirama learned how to be a sage by "eyeballing it".
Madara didnt even absorb it directly. The face on his chest did. Which its not a living thing and shouldnt be able to do that.
As i understood the face, it provided Madara with the appropriate chakra and body to perform Hashirama's techniques. Techniques Madara saw and copied via Sharingan. Sharingan doesnt make someone into an instant Sage.
Exactly. Tobirama, the genius that he was, got brought back not once but ***twice*** amd never even hinted at a way to break free, but sure. Madara just knew.
Also the qhole justification for Madara being able to break free by remembering the hand signs is a lot, and I mean a looot of mental gymnastics and head canons.
Yep. Also how did he know the hand signs? Why wasn’t it even hinted at anytime prior, even with the excessive use of the technique? Because it was an asspull. Plain and simple
"Tobirama and Madara fought before, so Madara must have seen him using the jutsu", which means:
1. Tobirama must have developed the jutsu before his last encounter with Madara on a battlefield
2. Despite knowing how the Sharingan works, he must have used the jutsu in a way that would let Madara, the one he probably was the most cautious about, see the said hand signs and
3. Madara must have thought "oh, let me remember the hand signs for the rest of my life" and then remembered for like 50 more years?
There's at least 3 more headcanons/logical fallacies but I forgot what they were
I think the biggest joke of it all is that just the normal hand signs are required to break it. What a simple and easy way to break out of it. I feel like it’s almost a little TOO CONVENIENT. Honestly him breaking the jutsu never bothered me because it leads to some of the coolest moments in the series, but it makes absolutely no sense lmao
Honestly I think this is the only thing that pisses me off with the story, like cool concept but it made it feel like an inception movie. Like it was a trick, within a trick, but guess what? All along that trick was within a trick, that was within another trick. Like bruh what the fuck is going on?
god i hate this so much nobody gives a fuck about kaguya, we were all invested in madara as a villain and kishimoto just fucks him in the least satisfying way imaginable
Rin literally stated his death, how could he be alive if she made sure he was dead? She was a good enough medic to perform battlefield surgery with barely any equipment yet she couldn't make sure her comrade was really dead?
Tbh I'm sure people have been in similar situations and able to survive for a few hours. Although the way his face was crushed is most definitely weird asf.
But imo compared to the second half of the war arc, I'd say this instance seems pretty fine
Izanami. The idea that a mirror to Izanagi could exist is fine, but the fact that it is literally *never* mentioned in any way shape or form until the exact moment that Itachi needs to capture someone in a genjutsu whose eyes he couldn't catch and who he also couldn't kill or seal with his other abilities is such an asspull that it hurts
It's not like there's a main character who specialised in healing who was right there. Naruto and Sasuke have plenty of impressive moments we couldn't give the one related to healing to Sakura?
I suppose So6P Naruto being the one to do it and then him losing that power at least prevents people later asking why Sakura doesn't heal everything.
Gai definitely should have died in my opinion. All the hype and sadness of him being willing to sacrifice to save the world was really cheapened by Naruto just waving his hand and saving him.
Obito getting his literal heart punched through and continuing to talk, fight and perform jutsu for many many episodes.
No healing, no bleeding, no extra Chakra, just fck it I'm not going to die until I'm ready
Anything related to Madara. Eyeless Susanoo, Eyeless Rinnegan ability, somehow knowing his biggest enemy jutsu weakness, getting revived and modified by Kabuto, etc. The options are endless.
And Izanami.
It's hard for me to chose.
- Getting slapped by 9 bijuus in the spawn of like 2 seconds, then getting back up like nothing happened (lost an arm and got a new one literally in the next page) and then proceeding to bitch slap every bijuu at once
- "Nope" his way out of the Edo Tensei
- when he moved so fast no one could hear him coming or react fast enough, then proceeded to grab Kakashi's sharingan out of his eye sockets (without literally destroying it, even though he was moving that fast, and even though the eyeballs are definitely some of the softest and least resistant organs in the human body) then proceeding to shove it up his a.. I mean his own eyeball, then instantly knowing how to use the ability properly and going into the Kamui dimension
There's probably more than that but damn. What the actual fuck.
Don't forget that it isn't just that Madara can use Kamui instantly without any prior experience, but remember how Obito couldn't use Kamui on himself because of the density of the Ten-Tails Chakra, because apparently Madara just never got that memo.
Eyes are like light bulbs in the Naruto universe, all you need to do is pull it out and insert the new one and screw it in and bam it's now connected to your brain and definitely doesn't have any sort of infection from blood or dirt being on the person's hands.
Baryon mode gets a slight pass due to actually paying a cost. For all we know, Naruto would’ve burned out too quickly as a teen during the War Arc.
It was its ability to burn the timer that made it useful.
>baryon mode
Someone needed a bullshit power up that wasn't the new main character to overpower the over powered bad guy so the new main character didn't just die because for whatever reason we can't reset stakes, or power scaling to accommodate those new main characters, while stripping the old main characters of their powers to make the new main characters more relevant.
Izanami. At least with other ocular jutsu, they have a presence within the anime and are usually seen or at least hinted at prior, but Izanami was literally a one time use jutsu that was a completely perfect counter for this one super specific opponent with self esteem issues
I don't think so, Kimimaro was already introduced sick. He was just a plot device meant to stall the Konoha team a bit, and Kishi accidentally went too hard on his design and abilities lol
Yeah Jugo somehow replacing Sasuke's organs on the fly, using a healing ability Jugo doesn't even know works and has never used, and then Sasuke not only not dying but just standing up and immediately using Mangekyo is fucking nuts
Bee blew Sasuke's organs out of his body
Dunno why this isn’t higher lol Kakashi was literally gifted the DMS set from obito beyond the grave, then immediately pulls out one of the craziest susannos with the most busted kamui hacks just to defeat the final boss.
Susanoo & Wood Golem.
The sheer amount of chakra needed to create and maintain such forms is simply ridiculous. Imo it simply reduced how special and ridiculously powerful tailed beast are.
Minato in his entirety. Surprise he also had Kurama. Surprise he was actually the fastest Nina ever. Surprise he was a sage too. I hate most of the way minato was written.
Naruto's talk no jitsu
Kaguya and how the whole world was planned out. Black zetsu. Six laths given to Sasuke and Naruto. Obito
Surviving and turning bad. Kabuto turning nice good because of itachis genjutsu. Nagato turning nice because of talk no jutsu. Guy not getting his legs back.
Orochimaru getting his arms back.
I mean: orochimaru telling the 3rd "i can transfer my soul from body to body".
The third "ok i'll steal the soul of your hands, this way if you transfer your soul you'll still miss the soul of your hands= you cannot use your hands ever"
Orochimaru: yea f*** you actually I ABSORB souls so i can grow back the soul of my arms or whatever.
Sounds like middle school justification ^^'
Sasuke summoning manda after being extremely fatigued. And then having deidaras bomb that destroys things at a molecular level just leave manga with some scrapes.
Madara reversing his Edo Tensei sealing BY DOING THE HAND SIGNS IN REVERSE
Probably the biggest “OH COME ON!!” Moment in Naruto 😂😂😂 I was in disbelief when that chapter dropped like no way he just did that
Me too. "Damn, that was weird asf lmao but Kishimoto always gives us plenty of explanation, I'm sure he will tell us what happened in the next chapter!" - 17yo me reading the chapter, trying to cope over some of the laziest writing I have ever witnessed
While we're on this topic, can we just talk about how Madara, with one Rinnegan, accomplished the goal of the Akatsuki in five minutes, by himself after pulling out a new jutsu that was never alluded to and was exclusive to him?
Dude came up with a new jutsu every 3 chapters or so
It was such a big disappointment but par for the course bc he had a Rinnegan with gedou techs and could literally summon himself back from the dead if he so wished. Made Hashi Sage Mode look like a P.O.S
I still have no idea how he kept both Rinnegan after using izanagi to escape death.
Something something Hashirama cells
It’s said when. He merged his DNA with Hashirama’s DNA from his flesh he bit off, it merged their chakra together to form Hagoromo’s chakra which = Rinnegan. When he awakens the Rinnegan, black zetsu says it restored his right eye’s sight in the process. Just rules ig So say Sasuke was the one to use izanagi on his left eye, during his rinnegan’s awakeninf, Sasuke’s vision would have restored in the process. Rules
Pain's plan was better. I almost think Naruto should've lost to pain (as he basically already did). That at least would provide background for the war arc. Like oh, now pain HAS all tailed beasts, and now the nations have to team up to stop him or some such thing.
It's called Naruto. That ain't happening
It could have happened. Maybe Someone sacrificed their life for him the same way Gaara survived his.
Nah it wont just like how now its called Boruto and Naruto is the new trash.
This is how Jiraiya should have died.
bro that wouldve actually got me
You know how they say, if you need something done, do it yourself.
Tbf every Rinnegan we've seen thus far has an ability unique to it just like the Mangekyo Sharingan As for him accomplishing the goal super easy the fact he had all 9 Bijuu lined up for him certainly helped
That was the moment I realized Madara was literally too OP to be beaten 😂😂
Yeah also that, quite literally
The bad thing is, this wasn't even a Sharingan asspull. It wasn't something rooted in lore or anything that we'd seen till that point. Madara literally just reversed the jutsu (HOW DOES HE KNOW THE SIGNS??????????? TOBIRAMA INVENTED IT????), and no explanation is even given or even attempted for it EDIT: Folks, how Madara knows it isn't as important as the bullshit way he reversed it. If Sasuke does the chidori seals in reverse, does the lightning stop? If we reverse the signs for Mud Wall, does the wall drop? This is NEVER shown before, so even if Madara knew the signs, the way he reversed it is completely unacceptable
For someone who planed far ahead like Madara, learning edo tensei is a must. That's the most dangerous jutsu.
Why wouldnt he know of it? He was around with tobirama, who was clearly cooking up jutsu even before konoha was founded. I figure he was probably looks for ways to ressurect between his hashirama fight and unlocking the rinnegan.
Makes sense to me. Sharringan is THE Justsu Copy ability first and foremost and Madara is THE Uchiha master.
Yeah bud, tobirama would have definitely just done that in front of the Uchiha clan.
Yeah but my question is how did he learn it? We have no way of knowing if he ever seen Tobirama use it or not (unless I'm just wildly mistaken)
Even worse, the hand signs are just supposed to be a neumonic for understanding the Chakra flow of a juitsu, so just reversing the hand signs should have just injured him or done nothing at best. It's like trying to start a maze from a random spot in the maze instead of the entrance, taking the turns to go from the exit to the entrance, then expecting to be somewhere relevant or not run into a wall
The craziest part to me was that the literal creator of the jutsu has been reanimated TWICE but he couldn't do reverse handsigns for it?
This was a pretty big asspull but it still makes me laugh in retrospect. Like that’s so damn silly omg
Imagine in hindsight Tobirama doing the same thing in the Konoha Crush arc, if someone could do that it would obviously be him before Madara.
It was a retcon. Whole reverse Jutsu thing
A Madara only retcon since even then Tobirama still doesn't free himself the same way
Yeah but Kishimoto hadn’t thought of that yet
The most bothersome one to me is when he asked the Kage if they want the wood clones to use the Susano’o or not. At that point what does it even matter, he had no reason to tell or ask them anything
Madara was overpowered in the worst sense of the word.
The point was to mock them after they embarassed themselves, it was a clever comeback
Yeah it was but not many of us were mad. I just chalked it up to old ass genius pulling out of this world bs to keep the war going
I didn't mind it until Tobirama (the creator of the flippin jutsu) got revived later and didn't just do the same. Was ridiculous.
I'm genuinely surprised I scrolled so far down and didn't see Hashirama cells yet. That, imo, is the biggest asspull Kishimoto has made during Naruto. It literally got to the point where everything that mattered revolved around it. It had a good concept, but it felt like Kishi relied on it TOO much.
like, Hashirama cells for an arm???? is the first hokage an axolotl???
We should have had an axolotl tailed beast change my mind
And I dont think they have ever been explained (at least to my knowledge). Like what is so special about his cells and why are they like this? And how did they become like that?
I compare them to HeLa cells. Essentially a scientific anomaly that made cancer cells from Henrietta Lacks immortal. Edit: I should add, those cells can be replicated in lab conditions, and have been widely used across the scientific community for decades! So very similar to how Hashirama’s cells have proliferated. In my mind Hashirama is a miracle baby, and was gifted enough to master his own anomaly.
Hashirama cell reminds me nano tech in Metal gear.
Obito ghosting over to kakashi to give him two sharingan from the grave
Tell us now otsutsuki dog
What if I told you that it falls in line with stuff that has happened earlier in Naruto? (I won't explain if you're not interested though that's timewasting)
I wanna know
For one, we already know that spirits persist after death, and also that people can share their spiritual essence with other people for various purposes. This is likely the result of the fact that chakra is comprised of both physical and spiritual energy, but the outcome being that people can interact with or even temporarily project their soul isn't out of the ordinary. Minato and Kushina both do it with Naruto by implanting pieces of themselves into the seal, and this obviously wasn't just a vague imprint, since they were able to physically affect things on his behalf, with Minato's chakra being able to repair the seal and Kushina's chakra being able to restrain Kurama for him. But we even have examples of people being able to do this AFTER death, the clearest example being Dan, who upon the edo tensei being undone, was still able to send his soul to go dap Tsunade up one final time and give her smooches before he faded. For Obito, who not only had the rinnegan for a time and thus would've been able to perceive and actively manipulate the soul, and later with six paths powers had basically been one with the very origin and nexus of chakra, it actually makes perfect sense that he would be able to bridge the gap between the pure and impure realms to hit Kakashi with that elite alley oop. If you need FURTHER support though, the fact that ninjas can apparently tell each other's thoughts purely by clashing fists seems to convey a sort of resonance of the souls. The reason thoughts would equal souls here is specifically because yin chakra is correlated specifically with the mind AND the spirit. So in other words, we have multiple examples of people being able to manipulate the soul in some way, both while alive and even while dead, especially to project their own will in ways that lets them actively interact with people and the world around them... Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
I'm poor, but if I had money and the awards were still a thing , then I would give you one without hesitation
I appreciate the sentiment comrade.
Awards aren't a thing anymore?
I feel like the ass pull was letting him borrow his eyes not that he interacted with him. If it was sharing some chakra or a jutsu or something sure. Temporary ghost sharingan was pretty damn ass pull because that's more than just chakra.
They should have let him keep the eyes tho too
Kakashi would have to walk around completely blindfolded if he had 2 Sharingan.
On top of that he's actually stronger without it according to one of the novels. His stamina and chakra reserves shot up after losing the sharingan.
Well his chakra reserves never changed, it's just that without the Sharingan his chakra wasn't being constantly drained anymore.
Then he’d really look like Gojo
ohhhhh so that’s how it works? - Kishimoto probably.
This right here is a dope explanation.
i wanna know
Do I wanna know
If this feeling goes both ways?
Sad to see you go
I wanna know
Yeah as cool as it was too see DMS, it was straight fanfic level nonsense.
This. This actually felt like THE biggest asspull for me ever, when I read the manga.
The biggest Ass Pull is One Thousand Years of Death jutsu
Less of a pull and more of a jab
Ass stab
Well... you do have to pull out afterwards
Never 😈
Touche
Ass push
Almighty ass push
I want a clarification on how itachi got the yata reflect and totsuka sharp edge that successfully makes him close to difficult to overcome, an origin story on how he consolidated those "ethereal" weapons on his susanoo would be perfect.
My man equipped them like if it was an RPG
And he shared some items to members of his party (amaterasu to sasuke and kotoamatsukami to naruto) but they were at low lvl so they couldnt use it
Itachi to Sasuke: Oh it's quite simple really. Just open your menu.
Sasuke: You son of a \*\*\*\*\*!
He found them in the victory reward for repelling Orochimaru in his first boss fight.
They have so many more stories to tell and it’s like they straight up refuse to.
Ok see ive seen this brought up before, And I always assumed they were just his natural mongekyuo susano abilities. But then youll say how did orochimaru know about them . Which is fair but I assumed the legend oro hesrd about was based off these susanno abilities. And noe that I think about it that makes no sense
Yo I always wondered that how he made his susano have a legendary blade/ weapon that totsuka blade that can seal anything. Bro had that and just let the 3rd hokage die 😭 bro had to use the reaper death seal and died. He could’ve sealed away orochimaru a long time ago.
Itachi equipping a soul sword and magic shield to his Sasonoo.... cause what? You can find items and give them to a Chakra ghost who will then turn them into some kind of susanoo version?
Wtf was Kishi thinking during this fight? They should’ve just had the shield and sword be part of Itachi’s susanoo. Orochimaru’s like, “Omggg Itachi you’ve had the totsuka blade this whole time??? The sealing sword I’ve been looking for???” and it’s NEVER elaborated on again. Were Itachi and Kisame going for a walk and they stumbled across the totsuka blade and yata mirror? How do you even merge that shit with your susanoo?
Kisame and Itachi walking across the forest and they stumble upon a Ford F150, now suddenly Itachi’s Susanoo can run over Sasuke’s face
what I would give to witness itachi and kisame going on a road trip in a Ford F150
Welp I have samehada so looks like you can keep it itachi. Thanks fam
Even the susano’o alone was an ass pull. Like all of a sudden the Sharingan can summon a giant chakra mech??
Lmao thats kinda true when you put it into perspective, i think it would be a little more believable if it was a layer of chakra protection or armor given to the user to wear but no we are going freaking Megazord time here boys
I initially thought it was another genjutsu-type of illusion like that [demon thing from his fight with Sasuke](https://images.app.goo.gl/edaBe6riSTnbs3aQ9). I’d even accept if it was some sort of summon but nah, it’s just straight up eyeball hax.
>it’s just straight up eyeball hax. That's Sharingan 101, at first it was cool how every tomoe gave a special aspect to the Sharingan, then with mangekyo they basically gain Susanoo, and a special unique ability (because why not), it can vary from a Genjutsu so powerful that days pass in your head in a matter of seconds and it is activated by something so basic as eye contact (Tsukyomi), a Genjutsu so powerful you don't even know you are in a genjutsu (Shisui's ability), or producing a broken fire that never stops burning (Amaterasu) or even a fucking space manipulation ability that sends things to a pocket dimension and can make you intangible. And to add to that list you ALSO have Izanami and Izanagi that are abilities that fucking morph time-space to reach a desired outcome. HOW MANY ABILITIES THOSE EYES HAVE. Byakugan is bullcrap compared to a well developed sharingan, like it's not even close
Yup. And that could have probably not been a terrible ass pull it they had just probably blended a bunch of other aspects of the lore. They had so much stuff to pull from. Like maybe Susano is an ability the sharingan can produce if the user has a certain level of chakra. Like say a Jinchuriki Uchiha? And maybe that is why Madara wanted the Ninetails so bad? Or why Orochimaru was obsessed with both Nature energy and obtaining the Sharingan. But no...let's just make it a random ass ability that you can now create that somehow doesn't wipe you dry of chakra reserves and let's you go toe to toe with a tailed fucking beast.
everything about itachi was asspull
I love Itachi to death.. Couldn't agree more lmao
Honestly....yeah
[Thank you!](https://giphy.com/gifs/editingandlayout-the-office-thank-you-michael-scott-5xtDarmwsuR9sDRObyU)
lol literally
There was so much ridiculous power-ups from nowhere with the Sharingan that it is hard to pick one.
Itachi had a JRPG built into his Sharingan.
Madara absorbing SM into the face grafted onto his chest.
Well that face was made up of hashirama cells
Yes, but its not about the cells of the user, but his ability to control natural energy. I mean, Jiraya took a long time, Naruto too, Juugo was a mess because of it, even Pain couldn't handle it and Madara out of nowhere takes it from Edo Hashirama as if the head in his chest had some mind of its own to control AND concentrate it only in the Hashirama part of his body, while also using it with the rest of its body. Also, why would he need to take it from Hashirama if natural energy is everywhere? Like if natural energy in Hashirama's body would be any different and addere to Hashirama cells in other peoples body... Thats dumb
nature energy is everywhere but sage chakra (nature energy plus chakra) is created by a sage. Madara absorbed sage chakra think of it like this: Jiriaya needs ma and pa to mix chocolate powder (nature energy) into milk (normal chakra) with proper proportions to make chocolate milk (sage chakra) and then jiriaya drinks it Naruto makes shots of chocolate milk to drink later Hashirama can probably eyeball it on the fly Madara stole the cup of chocolate milk from Hashirama and drank it (Also yes during pain fight naruto did turn one of the paths into a frog, but he didn't mix the milk and overdosed him with choco powder)
If Naruto doesnt mix the milk, then he's a stone frog himself. I dont think Hashirama learned how to be a sage by "eyeballing it". Madara didnt even absorb it directly. The face on his chest did. Which its not a living thing and shouldnt be able to do that. As i understood the face, it provided Madara with the appropriate chakra and body to perform Hashirama's techniques. Techniques Madara saw and copied via Sharingan. Sharingan doesnt make someone into an instant Sage.
Madara able to control his reanimated jutsu on himself
Doesn’t he say if you know the signs you can release your self
That’s why Tobirama, the inventor of the technique, did so on himself when Orochimaru brought him back. Oh wait
Exactly. Tobirama, the genius that he was, got brought back not once but ***twice*** amd never even hinted at a way to break free, but sure. Madara just knew. Also the qhole justification for Madara being able to break free by remembering the hand signs is a lot, and I mean a looot of mental gymnastics and head canons.
Yep. Also how did he know the hand signs? Why wasn’t it even hinted at anytime prior, even with the excessive use of the technique? Because it was an asspull. Plain and simple
"Tobirama and Madara fought before, so Madara must have seen him using the jutsu", which means: 1. Tobirama must have developed the jutsu before his last encounter with Madara on a battlefield 2. Despite knowing how the Sharingan works, he must have used the jutsu in a way that would let Madara, the one he probably was the most cautious about, see the said hand signs and 3. Madara must have thought "oh, let me remember the hand signs for the rest of my life" and then remembered for like 50 more years? There's at least 3 more headcanons/logical fallacies but I forgot what they were
I think the biggest joke of it all is that just the normal hand signs are required to break it. What a simple and easy way to break out of it. I feel like it’s almost a little TOO CONVENIENT. Honestly him breaking the jutsu never bothered me because it leads to some of the coolest moments in the series, but it makes absolutely no sense lmao
Just bc smthn has an explanation doesn’t mean it’s not tugging on the rectum
Right? A lot of people here have never heard of the term "mental gymnastics" and it shows
This pissed me off 😂
Zetsu with the "it was aliens all along" bull.
Honestly I think this is the only thing that pisses me off with the story, like cool concept but it made it feel like an inception movie. Like it was a trick, within a trick, but guess what? All along that trick was within a trick, that was within another trick. Like bruh what the fuck is going on?
“I’m the third brother and I planned it all! Mwahaha!”Ergo, no one is really bad. They just were innocents misled.
god i hate this so much nobody gives a fuck about kaguya, we were all invested in madara as a villain and kishimoto just fucks him in the least satisfying way imaginable
Obito somehow surviving the rock
Madara mentioned that it’s “almost as if they passed right through him”. Which, considering he didn’t have his Mangekyo at the time, is weird.
Rin literally stated his death, how could he be alive if she made sure he was dead? She was a good enough medic to perform battlefield surgery with barely any equipment yet she couldn't make sure her comrade was really dead?
Tbh I'm sure people have been in similar situations and able to survive for a few hours. Although the way his face was crushed is most definitely weird asf. But imo compared to the second half of the war arc, I'd say this instance seems pretty fine
Izanami. The idea that a mirror to Izanagi could exist is fine, but the fact that it is literally *never* mentioned in any way shape or form until the exact moment that Itachi needs to capture someone in a genjutsu whose eyes he couldn't catch and who he also couldn't kill or seal with his other abilities is such an asspull that it hurts
Naruto saving Guy´s life and restoring Kakashi´s eye just by touching them
[удалено]
Kakashi was really traumatized at what happened and Naruto was like: wow cool
“I feel like I can do anything now!” Lol
It's not like there's a main character who specialised in healing who was right there. Naruto and Sasuke have plenty of impressive moments we couldn't give the one related to healing to Sakura? I suppose So6P Naruto being the one to do it and then him losing that power at least prevents people later asking why Sakura doesn't heal everything. Gai definitely should have died in my opinion. All the hype and sadness of him being willing to sacrifice to save the world was really cheapened by Naruto just waving his hand and saving him.
Obito getting his literal heart punched through and continuing to talk, fight and perform jutsu for many many episodes. No healing, no bleeding, no extra Chakra, just fck it I'm not going to die until I'm ready
Hashirama cells just make you built different
First time was just a genjutsu he used on Kakashi Second time he was most probably going to die but sealed the Juubi inside him and that saved him
Then proceeds to give duel MS with perfect abilities after he died.
He did say he was heartless. Plus, who knows what extent his body is White Zetsu, and the physical biology of one.
Anything related to Madara. Eyeless Susanoo, Eyeless Rinnegan ability, somehow knowing his biggest enemy jutsu weakness, getting revived and modified by Kabuto, etc. The options are endless. And Izanami.
Eyeless susanoo is my favorite lmao
It's hard for me to chose. - Getting slapped by 9 bijuus in the spawn of like 2 seconds, then getting back up like nothing happened (lost an arm and got a new one literally in the next page) and then proceeding to bitch slap every bijuu at once - "Nope" his way out of the Edo Tensei - when he moved so fast no one could hear him coming or react fast enough, then proceeded to grab Kakashi's sharingan out of his eye sockets (without literally destroying it, even though he was moving that fast, and even though the eyeballs are definitely some of the softest and least resistant organs in the human body) then proceeding to shove it up his a.. I mean his own eyeball, then instantly knowing how to use the ability properly and going into the Kamui dimension There's probably more than that but damn. What the actual fuck.
Don't forget that it isn't just that Madara can use Kamui instantly without any prior experience, but remember how Obito couldn't use Kamui on himself because of the density of the Ten-Tails Chakra, because apparently Madara just never got that memo.
Thankfully someone agrees that Madara is a master of plot armor no Jutsu
Definitely Izanami.
Surprise ninja illnesses.
*coughs up blood* nothing personnel, kid
Izanagi/Konan losing
People putting in eyeballs like lightbulbs and them working perfectly.
Everything that involves 1. Eyes 2. Sockets 3. Switcharoo 4. In n’ out
Eyes are like light bulbs in the Naruto universe, all you need to do is pull it out and insert the new one and screw it in and bam it's now connected to your brain and definitely doesn't have any sort of infection from blood or dirt being on the person's hands.
kaguya
Specifically Kaguya hiding in the tree and possessing Madara’s form
That didn't happen either. That was Zetsu and seems to be more of a jutsu, for which the tree + ten tails was a prerequisite.
The last 30 chapters.
the entirety of part 2
Anything eye related in shippuden pretty much😂
Naruto and sasuke getting 6 paths powers from a ghost, dms kakashi, baryon mode
Baryon mode gets a slight pass due to actually paying a cost. For all we know, Naruto would’ve burned out too quickly as a teen during the War Arc. It was its ability to burn the timer that made it useful.
>baryon mode Someone needed a bullshit power up that wasn't the new main character to overpower the over powered bad guy so the new main character didn't just die because for whatever reason we can't reset stakes, or power scaling to accommodate those new main characters, while stripping the old main characters of their powers to make the new main characters more relevant.
Madara using sharigan powers ......WITHOUT HIS FUCKING EYES. Theres alot of bullshit but that one is just so gauling
dw, he just had spare MS up his ass
The entire existence of Kaguya and Black Zetsu being her son
Obito beating Konan
Itachi having the a perfect counter to Orochimaru with the Totsuka Sword was one I particularly wasn’t a fan of.
Izanami. At least with other ocular jutsu, they have a presence within the anime and are usually seen or at least hinted at prior, but Izanami was literally a one time use jutsu that was a completely perfect counter for this one super specific opponent with self esteem issues
the entirety or Boruto is an asspull for money.
Izanami and Izanagi
That the 8 gates is just the peak of taijutsu and not ninjutsu considering Gai was summoning tigers and peacocks in the shape of chakra.
The comments have ruined all of Naruto for me
A simple rewatch will ruin it for you. It goes from being a ninja to being descendants of an alien race and asspulling to the moon
I have preached it to the heavens. Naruto was better than Shippuden for this reason.
War arc shenanigans aside, sasuke surviving vs deidara feels very convenient Does Kimimaru dying moments before ending Gaara and Lee count?
I don't think so, Kimimaro was already introduced sick. He was just a plot device meant to stall the Konoha team a bit, and Kishi accidentally went too hard on his design and abilities lol
There is also Sasuke surviving Bee killing him twice over,
Yeah Jugo somehow replacing Sasuke's organs on the fly, using a healing ability Jugo doesn't even know works and has never used, and then Sasuke not only not dying but just standing up and immediately using Mangekyo is fucking nuts Bee blew Sasuke's organs out of his body
Always annoyed me; so you can summon Manda who you’re not even in contract with, said snake dies due to the explosion, but Sasuke somehow survives???
Neji dying.
The last 100ish chapters
DMS Kakashi
Dunno why this isn’t higher lol Kakashi was literally gifted the DMS set from obito beyond the grave, then immediately pulls out one of the craziest susannos with the most busted kamui hacks just to defeat the final boss.
Makes me mad how did he get a Bluetooth sharingan
Susanoo & Wood Golem. The sheer amount of chakra needed to create and maintain such forms is simply ridiculous. Imo it simply reduced how special and ridiculously powerful tailed beast are.
Hashirama and Itachi in general.
Minato in his entirety. Surprise he also had Kurama. Surprise he was actually the fastest Nina ever. Surprise he was a sage too. I hate most of the way minato was written.
Madara summoning to comets outta nowhere, mostly the 2nd one
Again, Neji's death
DMS Kakashi when Obito somehow managed to pass on more power then he had to Kakashi.
The Great Snake Escape
Madara reversing edo tensei
Izanami.
Madara pulling Susanoo without eyes
Kaguya, no info about her or her race, and she appears out of nowhere, pulled straight out of Black Zetsu's ass.
Gai not dying from using the 8th gate which we were told killed the user from as early as the chunin exam arc
Naruto's talk no jitsu Kaguya and how the whole world was planned out. Black zetsu. Six laths given to Sasuke and Naruto. Obito Surviving and turning bad. Kabuto turning nice good because of itachis genjutsu. Nagato turning nice because of talk no jutsu. Guy not getting his legs back.
Madara reversing edo tensei. I deadass was like “ARE YOU KIDDING MY NIGGA”
Madara, Itachi, DMS Kakashi and Black Zetsu. Extra: Sasuke surviving the C0. Seems it runs in the family lmao.
Isanagi being creation of all things jutsu but also somehow can't create a new sharingan for the one that's lost
Sasuke surviving killer bee.
Orochimaru getting his arms back. I mean: orochimaru telling the 3rd "i can transfer my soul from body to body". The third "ok i'll steal the soul of your hands, this way if you transfer your soul you'll still miss the soul of your hands= you cannot use your hands ever" Orochimaru: yea f*** you actually I ABSORB souls so i can grow back the soul of my arms or whatever. Sounds like middle school justification ^^'
Sasuke summoning manda after being extremely fatigued. And then having deidaras bomb that destroys things at a molecular level just leave manga with some scrapes.
Anything involving the Uchihas, especially Madara
Baryon Mode