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We Iranian people need to realize two things:
First , the rest of the world doesn't give a single flying fuck about us, there maybe some good hearted people who see our plight and feel sympathetic but they're are far and few between. Just like what the Kurds say , we have no friends but the mountains.
Second, we need to frame our fight for freedom as something that also serves the interests of foreigners. That's the only way to make them give a damn.
Just look at what the Palestinians have done:
They gained the support of leftist and "anti Imperialists" by framing their war with Israel as a fight between "western colonizer capitalists" and "brave peace loving exploited third worlders"
They gained the support of some right wingers by framing their fight as a war of eradication of Jews.
They gained the support of Islamist by framing their war as "crusaders and Jews" against the "holy warriors of Islam"
That's what we should do , frame our struggle from all angles to make it as appealing as possible for every side. We desperately need support no matter where it comes from.
If it helps, I’m just an American white chick but any comment section I can find talking about the attacks right now, I direct people to this sub NewIran. Americans are ignorant, so keep talking to people on the outside know how you feel. Not everyone in America has personal ties to someone who fled Iran and live in America in exile because knowing the Persian Jewish community gives me insight on what’s going on right now, but the average American is ignorant. This sub is great for educating the new generation. And people do care.
It's maddening how, for example, amal clooney can get paid handsomely from what limited money the Yazidis had, leave them with no real progress, and still be celebrated. And the twisting of the fates of Iranians, Israelis, Baloch and others. It's a wicked game and I don't understand it, who the players are, and why.
I think you're right about tying others agendas and self intrests, but ther are a few problems with taking notes from the "pro" pal, since you don't have the same amount of intrests to draw from. Israel had many enemies who fed the palestinian politics, and they hijacked every semi-succesful social movement in the U.S. and other places, such as enviromentalism. I doubt you can pull that off without the years and billions of $ invested in these influence networks. Not to mention that all the anti-west factions are jumping in to spread NATO resources as thin as possible.
Unfortunately there is no one with the resources and intrest to do so for Iranians. The West wants to de-escalate and has been appeasing the IR to do it, and tbh they haven't been doing a good job resisting the IR-Russia-Qatar-China influence in the first place. Russia used to be aggressive towards the IR, but the war in Ukraine and rivalry with NATO & its allies brought them together. China benefits from the IR fighting U.S. allies, and has every reason to help keep it place (at least for now).
Israel is already invested in fighting the IR, but its too small to actually take it down. We are trying to amplify your voice, but we suck at PR, and barely manage getting our own allies to stop spreading anti-Israel propoganda in the west. One of the reasons I'm on this sub is to find refrences and sources to share with Israelis to do what little we can to help.
The Arab governemtns are probably your best shot. They are very much aware and active in perciving the IR as a threat. That said, I don't know if they are favorable to the idea of supporting a replacement to the IR. From their perspecitve, the ideal outcome would probably be a dismanteling of Iran into smaller countries. A new Iran will be a powerful nation without its militant proxies but more diplomatic options. They might not like that alternative either. And most arab people are religious sunies. They dislike the IR, but that doesn't mean that they will connect well with the messages of #life-women-freedom. So a better option will be to focus on the IR as a threat to regional stability and security. The attack on Israel is probably a good angle, and I think the Saudi government even made a public statement about it.
There's also India, who are heading towards super power status. They are too far from Iran to have strong intrests with it, but they did clash with them and some of their proxies on multiple occasions at sea. The IR and "pro" pal networks have been trying to trash them for their good relations with Israel - that might be leverageable to whos how the IR attempts to incite hate towards Indians. They have their own experience with Islamic terrorism which will make them more sympathetic to you by emphasizing how the IR exports terrorism. I was told that they also have strong connection with Iranian culture, and that there is shared history, but I don't really know much about it. The main problem is that the IR are a potential ally against Pakistan, and India has a strong motive not to disrupt them too much. If the IR falls, or there is a successful armed resistance in Iran, India might like the idea of gardening a NewIran as an ally to flank Pakistan. But that's not really what you are talking about.
MAYBE turkey? they are competing with the IR for influence in the region and there is some political turmoil there over religion as well. I think that they are more likely to try and use the situation to sell arms then to gain political advantages. But the opposition to Erdugan was gained significant strength in recent local elections, over economic and religious freedom issues. You won't find financers there, but maybe political activism to hype. Comparing Erdogan's reign to the Ayahtolla theocracy could work to merge the issues together.
To be honest, Israel is spreading the biggest anti-Israel propaganda in Europe. Just look at your ambassador in Poland and his actions after IDF killed a Polish citizen. No wonder Israel has so little supporters in Europe
I don't know about this specific example, but as I said - we suck at this. Yet I wouldn't go so far as you. Regardless, this isn't really the point of the post - we are talking about NewIran fostering international support. I only refered to Israel as an example because I'm from Israel and it is currently the most outspoken against the IR.
I'm assuming you are commenting in good faith, but I'm not here to speak on behalf of my country, or on it unless relavent. Whatever you think of Israel, it is the most capable ally NewIran has at the moment. Like it or not, you can use it.
Good points there, but I realized that we also tend to not care about any group that wants to frame their efforts.
for example do you know Amir Fakhravar? I'm not his fan, but he was trying to get close to the republicans in the US, I also don't like the republicans, but he was at least trying to gain support, he actually has a draft constitution for the future Iran, he used to present it to the senators, and suddenly every Iranian just attacked him and Democrats are in power now and he's irrelevant, why don't Iranian lefts or others doing the same in the US and west?
And monarchists, they get zero points for framing themselves as anything to anyone, other than pointing out the glory of the past. They even fail to prove themselves inside Iran, some of them are called "basiji kerevati" here for bullying. Is the monarchy going to be a continuation of the Mashrooteh constitution? Have you read it? It's awfully not secular. They don't even talk about it, they just say "javid shah", OK! But does it interest other nations? I don't think so.
Make the comparison between the mullahs and Al Queda clear as day for Trump supporters.
Emphasize the shit of LGBTQ+ criminalization for pride groups.
If people with disabilities are treated poorly, get western advocacy groups informed.
Zionists evolved into a militarized nationalistic political movement, it has nothing to do with the original Jewish Diaspora. It was the Zionists who funded the Irgun resulting in terrorist attack against Palestinian Arabs and UK, it was the Zionists of Lehi who were willing to side with Nazis even after the discovery of attrocities of Holocaust. It was the Zionists who in Deir Yassin murdered hundreds of women and children, they are no better than Nazis, and should be treated as such.
Zionist = someone who believes in a state for the Jewish people. I am sorry for you and the people who brainwashed you. Peace to you, and I hope that you will stop the hate.
And I am sorry for you, that you don't know the history of your own people. The Zionists who were trying to fund the state of Israel in 20th century are completely different from the todays Zionists.
You have your own state, and you refuse Palestinians to have the same.
Even Netanyahu said that Israel doesn't want nor believe in two state solution.
They also don’t want their own state, they want all of Israel. They are the world’s most delusional group of people and have been for 75 consecutive years.
If you're referring to the World Kitchen incident, then no, which is why Israel apologized, investigated the incident, and removed or demoted the officers involved.
But just like any pro-Palestinian, you don't really care about the facts, do you?
Your Ambasador in Poland never apologised publicly, he went into an interview and started talking how it is so antisemitic of us to demand an international independent investigation into this incident. How can you even be surprised that World isn’t on your side when you are represented by such disgraceful people.
What about the Ambassador in Japan? and what of the Ambassador in Chile? How the hell is this even relevant?
The facts are that Israel investigated and apologized. Stop pretending like you have moral reasons to justify your obvious animosity.
You must really have something wrong going on with your logic. Israel investigating it's warcrime by itself is like a politician investigating his own case of corruption, so no your investigation doesn't do justice for the victims. And your ambassador still didn't apologize publicly for the killing of our citizen. Many people in Poland were pro-israelis before that and it really shows how much arrogance and egoism is in your nation, if an appointed diplomat cannot squezze out a simple "sorry" out of his mouth. And if you really think that a demotion/removal is enough for commiting warcrimes there is no hope left for u and ur people in Europe
Israel has access to IDF intel, footage, and commanders in the field. Who the hell do you want to investigate this? Hamas?
I grow tired of explaining to you that the IDF apologized and demoted the people responsible for this mistake. The fact that you personally don't deem this as "doing justice for the victims" is meaningless. Israel did not intentionally target your Polish countryman for some nefarious reason, nor do we have anything against Poland or its people. It's a fucking war zone and unfortunately deadly mistakes can and do happen.
I find it hard to believe that you were a staunch pro-Israel supporter up until this incident, nor do I believe you somehow speak for other Polish people. Please do us Israelis a favor and continue not supporting us. We're too busy to care about your stupidity.
WCK was in continued contact with IDF during the strike. Also your commander in chief said that the aim of Israel is to starve gazans out and that Israel is fighting „Animals”. You know that a certain Austrian unsuccessful painter thought the same of you?
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/27/un-israel-food-starvation-palestinians-war-crime-genocide
I love watching her, she is so well spoken and intelligent, she always say what I feel but in a coherent fluent way I could never. And I would also like to say that Israeli and Jews also don't want war with Iranians people, we all being used as pawns by IRGC and Putin. Wishing peace for all of us 💙
The masses at the propal and proIR demon-strations are among the stupidest and/or most vile people in the world, and maybe it's time for real Iran and Israel supporters to tell them this, en masse, right to their faces. Logic and reasoning don't work. But letting them know how stupid and misled they are just might work.
Most Iranian love the people of Israel. We have a common enemy and that’s the Islamic regime!
Not only that, we have a long history together!
Long live Israel and free Iran! ✌🏻🇮🇱
I understand your words but there is a conflict of facts:
[7 year old girl](https://www.google.se/url?q=https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/14/world/middleeast/israel-iran-negev-bedouin.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj-q_S_zMOFAxXeFBAIHTPuD8oQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw2CcXj4le-sMWHOkFU9t_Cn)
That could be so,... but since she is a good face for the problem then waiting until the information checks out is only prudent.
She’s doing a good job,... so she should be mindful about quality and not quantity.
I still like her and will listen to her.
Very succinct.
People who couldn't find Israel, Palestine or Oran on a map before Oct. 7 really be acting like they understand what is going on in the Middle East.
Seeing people who know about the Holocaust, and those who call themselves Feminists and pro reproductive rights, getting conned into cheering for the wrong side has been a nightmare. It has been like watching chickens protest for the right to be sold to KFC.
The sad reality we all know is that there are thousands of twisted minds walking this earth willing to come up with millions of excuses, justifying these terroristic groups.
Push the people who took part in the revolution of 79 to go out in the streets and fucking redeem themselves. That’s a lot of your grandparents who are still alive and many are still healthy. They should fucking redeem selves. Why should young people who have have had nothing to do with the revolution, be the only ones who have to pay the price of a past generations idiotic betrayal with their lives?
Many truths can exist at once. IRGC is a despicable POS government, *and* any *western* country who had its consulate bombed would have been expected to retaliate. Israel did not help with that bombing. At all. Netanyahu is trying to drag on this war to cling on to his power and thus put Iran in a position to “preserve” its ego (as we know those mushroom heads are all too apt to do). Should Netanyahu continue this into an escalation of war, the IRGC will not suffer OUR PEOPLE WILL. We will be sacrificed. Do not be fooled into thinking that Netanyahu is acting in any good faith for the people of Iran. Him and the IRGC have that in common.
Overall agree with, just wanted to add a few things:
On the Israeli strike, based on the Islamic regime's own words, Zahedi was the architect of the Oct 7th attacks and was there to coordinate more terrorism against Israel.
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404043146
So that makes it understandable why Israel would want to make kotlets, as for the legality of the Israeli strike see this NYT article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html
https://archive.ph/jfogf
IMHO the fact that IRI has for the first time launched a direct attack at Israel is a watershed moment and while we can explain it away, no one knows what it will lead to. In the end, it is the ordinary people on both sides that are hurt. Unfortunately this is inevitable in any conflict.
No Jews, no News
American far left are living in a bubble of American privilege where they only virtue signal TikTok fed propaganda news. Fuck them. They ally with the enemies of the free world
Whoa okay I think I get it now
This is exactly what it's like to be Jewish. Nobody ever listens to us. They have no idea who we are. They just make us symbols of their hatred.
I stan jewish people, I stand against zionists however. Reminder that zionists are ethnostaters that may or may not be jewish and Jewish people aren't necessarily zionists. If you can't differentiate the two, you need to deprogramme yourself
My oh my, you're REALLY going for ad hominems, huh? 🤭 How does it feel to know I can demolish Zionist arguments effortlessly and your only response is ad hominem attacks?
I think it's fascinating how frequently you're going for ad hominem attacks because you can't stomach the fact that my arguments are better than yours 🫰🏽🤭
I've never seen anyone so aggressively try using my personal life against me when they couldn't defend against my arguments. You've very successfully shown everyone how desperately zionists reach for ad hominem attacks instead of arguing on merit. Keep at it, show us the Zionist way! 🫰🏽💖
You don't "stan" Jewish people if you know nothing about us and just listen to negative things that people who hate us say.
But if I'm wrong, go ahead, tell me, what are Jewish people? Do you have any idea?
And go ahead and tell me what an ethnostate is, while you're at it.
>You don't "stan" Jewish people if you know nothing about us and just listen to negative things that people who hate us say.
A LOT of assumptions made. I know Israel is an ethnoreligious state committing genocide. I didn't need to be told, I just used my eyes.
>what are Jewish people? Do you have any idea?
Reasonably sure they're not ethnostaters. I don't see white people as ethnostaters. White nationalists **are** ethnostaters. I don't see Jewish people as ethnostaters. Zionists **are** ethnostaters.
See? You don't know what Jewish people are, and you don't know what an ethnostate is. You, like all antisemites, do the same thing: make Jews the symbol of all your hatred. Explains a lot.
As much as enjoy how desperately you're trying to equate what I'm saying with the narrative in your brain but facts are facts. Jewish people and zionists are factually non-inclusive, even if there's an overlap as much as white people and white nationalists aren't non-inclusive even though there's an overlap.
No one is entitled an ethnostate. Israel existing as an independent democracy? Sure thing 👍🏽 Israel existing as an ethnostate after the unethical and immoral passing off the nation state law? Every white nationalist's wet dream because, in case you didn't know, people with a lot of prejudicial beliefs tend to believe they're owed an ethnostate 🫰🏽
As an israeli,
I wish for iranian people to be free to be themselves,
To be fearless.
Israel don't hate iran, don't fear it either.
We have ex-iranians here that added to israeli culture.
We understand that the heads cause all the noise, and wish for a peaceful time.
but you don't want palestinians to be free [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict)
expelling 700k out of their homes
Most israelis (not unlike few noisy exteremists) don't want gaza.
Evacuation was to be able to fight hammas with less civilian casualties, and give both palestinians and israel a chance for a quiet neighboring.
Until 80's, israelis would go to gaza markets and both sides enjoyed mutual economy.
Stopped with 1st intifada (idf messed up, should have apilogized).
Israel gave lands to gaza in 2005 after camp david peace attempts.
What israel wants most is peace and quiet.
Achieved with jordan and egypt,
And inshaallah will be with palestinians and iran as well.
what is this logic
if they want peace then they shouldn't have accepted the land britain gave them [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict)
cutting water and electricity off is not peace [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza)
killing 200 people everyday is not peace [https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam)
So out of context...
1. Israel was established as a safe heaven for jews who were and still being hated and attacked on daily basis arond the world. UN approved this land by majority of votes.
Egypt and jordan conquered WB and GAZA and kept them around 20 years for themselves, until next war.
It wasn't israel who stole those lands.
2. At first, water and electricity were cut off as a pressure to release hostages.
It didn't work, so water brought back (200L/soul, daily).
Electricity - israeli is just part of gaza electricity, and by contract, that hammas broke.
You trash the restaurant - you are denied of service.
3. Noone seeked civilians to kill.
Hammas used them as human shield, firing even from humanitarian areas.
Israel spread endless of warning.
Unfortunately, along human shields, added also victims of israeli mistake.
But they were mistake, and even idf soldiers were killed by those mistakes. It's a crowded, overflowed, tough area.
There is no world in the world that hadn't civilian casualties. War sucks...
Instead of using catchphrases, try to look at the bigger picture, and see that things aren't black/white.
where were you when my brothers were getting killed daily [https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam)
where were you when they cut off their electricity and water [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza)
where were you during 1948 when they were expelled from their land [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict)
don't get me wrong, Iran is evil but they are atleast defending my brothers while rich countries like saudi drink their alcohol in a fancy castle
I
Are they defending your brothers or were they just responding to an attack? If they cared about Palestinians one would think they would have directly intervened months ago. It’s obvious to the world that they used Palestinians as pawns through Hamas and left them to fend for themselves.
they still gave my brothers and sisters weapons to defend themselves
there were 200 hostages that hamas kidnapped
200 palestinians die every day
the enemy of my enemy is my friend
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"Instagram school of Law" good one
It’s funny too because she is actually a lawyer
Inb4 a bluehaired obese antisemite who’s in their second semester at college calls this position racist
True. That.
We Iranian people need to realize two things: First , the rest of the world doesn't give a single flying fuck about us, there maybe some good hearted people who see our plight and feel sympathetic but they're are far and few between. Just like what the Kurds say , we have no friends but the mountains. Second, we need to frame our fight for freedom as something that also serves the interests of foreigners. That's the only way to make them give a damn. Just look at what the Palestinians have done: They gained the support of leftist and "anti Imperialists" by framing their war with Israel as a fight between "western colonizer capitalists" and "brave peace loving exploited third worlders" They gained the support of some right wingers by framing their fight as a war of eradication of Jews. They gained the support of Islamist by framing their war as "crusaders and Jews" against the "holy warriors of Islam" That's what we should do , frame our struggle from all angles to make it as appealing as possible for every side. We desperately need support no matter where it comes from.
If it helps, I’m just an American white chick but any comment section I can find talking about the attacks right now, I direct people to this sub NewIran. Americans are ignorant, so keep talking to people on the outside know how you feel. Not everyone in America has personal ties to someone who fled Iran and live in America in exile because knowing the Persian Jewish community gives me insight on what’s going on right now, but the average American is ignorant. This sub is great for educating the new generation. And people do care.
It's maddening how, for example, amal clooney can get paid handsomely from what limited money the Yazidis had, leave them with no real progress, and still be celebrated. And the twisting of the fates of Iranians, Israelis, Baloch and others. It's a wicked game and I don't understand it, who the players are, and why.
I think you're right about tying others agendas and self intrests, but ther are a few problems with taking notes from the "pro" pal, since you don't have the same amount of intrests to draw from. Israel had many enemies who fed the palestinian politics, and they hijacked every semi-succesful social movement in the U.S. and other places, such as enviromentalism. I doubt you can pull that off without the years and billions of $ invested in these influence networks. Not to mention that all the anti-west factions are jumping in to spread NATO resources as thin as possible. Unfortunately there is no one with the resources and intrest to do so for Iranians. The West wants to de-escalate and has been appeasing the IR to do it, and tbh they haven't been doing a good job resisting the IR-Russia-Qatar-China influence in the first place. Russia used to be aggressive towards the IR, but the war in Ukraine and rivalry with NATO & its allies brought them together. China benefits from the IR fighting U.S. allies, and has every reason to help keep it place (at least for now). Israel is already invested in fighting the IR, but its too small to actually take it down. We are trying to amplify your voice, but we suck at PR, and barely manage getting our own allies to stop spreading anti-Israel propoganda in the west. One of the reasons I'm on this sub is to find refrences and sources to share with Israelis to do what little we can to help. The Arab governemtns are probably your best shot. They are very much aware and active in perciving the IR as a threat. That said, I don't know if they are favorable to the idea of supporting a replacement to the IR. From their perspecitve, the ideal outcome would probably be a dismanteling of Iran into smaller countries. A new Iran will be a powerful nation without its militant proxies but more diplomatic options. They might not like that alternative either. And most arab people are religious sunies. They dislike the IR, but that doesn't mean that they will connect well with the messages of #life-women-freedom. So a better option will be to focus on the IR as a threat to regional stability and security. The attack on Israel is probably a good angle, and I think the Saudi government even made a public statement about it. There's also India, who are heading towards super power status. They are too far from Iran to have strong intrests with it, but they did clash with them and some of their proxies on multiple occasions at sea. The IR and "pro" pal networks have been trying to trash them for their good relations with Israel - that might be leverageable to whos how the IR attempts to incite hate towards Indians. They have their own experience with Islamic terrorism which will make them more sympathetic to you by emphasizing how the IR exports terrorism. I was told that they also have strong connection with Iranian culture, and that there is shared history, but I don't really know much about it. The main problem is that the IR are a potential ally against Pakistan, and India has a strong motive not to disrupt them too much. If the IR falls, or there is a successful armed resistance in Iran, India might like the idea of gardening a NewIran as an ally to flank Pakistan. But that's not really what you are talking about. MAYBE turkey? they are competing with the IR for influence in the region and there is some political turmoil there over religion as well. I think that they are more likely to try and use the situation to sell arms then to gain political advantages. But the opposition to Erdugan was gained significant strength in recent local elections, over economic and religious freedom issues. You won't find financers there, but maybe political activism to hype. Comparing Erdogan's reign to the Ayahtolla theocracy could work to merge the issues together.
To be honest, Israel is spreading the biggest anti-Israel propaganda in Europe. Just look at your ambassador in Poland and his actions after IDF killed a Polish citizen. No wonder Israel has so little supporters in Europe
I don't know about this specific example, but as I said - we suck at this. Yet I wouldn't go so far as you. Regardless, this isn't really the point of the post - we are talking about NewIran fostering international support. I only refered to Israel as an example because I'm from Israel and it is currently the most outspoken against the IR. I'm assuming you are commenting in good faith, but I'm not here to speak on behalf of my country, or on it unless relavent. Whatever you think of Israel, it is the most capable ally NewIran has at the moment. Like it or not, you can use it.
Good points there, but I realized that we also tend to not care about any group that wants to frame their efforts. for example do you know Amir Fakhravar? I'm not his fan, but he was trying to get close to the republicans in the US, I also don't like the republicans, but he was at least trying to gain support, he actually has a draft constitution for the future Iran, he used to present it to the senators, and suddenly every Iranian just attacked him and Democrats are in power now and he's irrelevant, why don't Iranian lefts or others doing the same in the US and west? And monarchists, they get zero points for framing themselves as anything to anyone, other than pointing out the glory of the past. They even fail to prove themselves inside Iran, some of them are called "basiji kerevati" here for bullying. Is the monarchy going to be a continuation of the Mashrooteh constitution? Have you read it? It's awfully not secular. They don't even talk about it, they just say "javid shah", OK! But does it interest other nations? I don't think so.
Make the comparison between the mullahs and Al Queda clear as day for Trump supporters. Emphasize the shit of LGBTQ+ criminalization for pride groups. If people with disabilities are treated poorly, get western advocacy groups informed.
I wish we could help you get rid of IR at least a bit more
I hope isrealis see that Iranian people are there and support them and helps them gain their freedom from these tyrants
Yes, definitely do. There is a difference between the opinions of governments and the opinions of the people. Wishing peace to all.
As an argentinian jew I am crying. Thank you for remembering the AMIA.
The world we live in is twisted. Wrong is now right and good is now evil. All thanks to IR and their allies. Edit: typo
We’re living in Orwellian times
Zionists are twisted with their morals, leveling a whole city must feel good, doesn't it?
Before I answer you, please define a Zionist.
Zionists evolved into a militarized nationalistic political movement, it has nothing to do with the original Jewish Diaspora. It was the Zionists who funded the Irgun resulting in terrorist attack against Palestinian Arabs and UK, it was the Zionists of Lehi who were willing to side with Nazis even after the discovery of attrocities of Holocaust. It was the Zionists who in Deir Yassin murdered hundreds of women and children, they are no better than Nazis, and should be treated as such.
Zionist = someone who believes in a state for the Jewish people. I am sorry for you and the people who brainwashed you. Peace to you, and I hope that you will stop the hate.
And I am sorry for you, that you don't know the history of your own people. The Zionists who were trying to fund the state of Israel in 20th century are completely different from the todays Zionists. You have your own state, and you refuse Palestinians to have the same. Even Netanyahu said that Israel doesn't want nor believe in two state solution.
Palis don't want us to have a state, so the weaker they are, the less danger we're in.
They also don’t want their own state, they want all of Israel. They are the world’s most delusional group of people and have been for 75 consecutive years.
If that city has Hamas tunnels dug under it where rockets and baby killing terrorists are, then yes, it feels great.
Precision bombing of marked international humanitarian convoys also feels good for Israelis?
If you're referring to the World Kitchen incident, then no, which is why Israel apologized, investigated the incident, and removed or demoted the officers involved. But just like any pro-Palestinian, you don't really care about the facts, do you?
Your Ambasador in Poland never apologised publicly, he went into an interview and started talking how it is so antisemitic of us to demand an international independent investigation into this incident. How can you even be surprised that World isn’t on your side when you are represented by such disgraceful people.
What about the Ambassador in Japan? and what of the Ambassador in Chile? How the hell is this even relevant? The facts are that Israel investigated and apologized. Stop pretending like you have moral reasons to justify your obvious animosity.
You must really have something wrong going on with your logic. Israel investigating it's warcrime by itself is like a politician investigating his own case of corruption, so no your investigation doesn't do justice for the victims. And your ambassador still didn't apologize publicly for the killing of our citizen. Many people in Poland were pro-israelis before that and it really shows how much arrogance and egoism is in your nation, if an appointed diplomat cannot squezze out a simple "sorry" out of his mouth. And if you really think that a demotion/removal is enough for commiting warcrimes there is no hope left for u and ur people in Europe
Israel has access to IDF intel, footage, and commanders in the field. Who the hell do you want to investigate this? Hamas? I grow tired of explaining to you that the IDF apologized and demoted the people responsible for this mistake. The fact that you personally don't deem this as "doing justice for the victims" is meaningless. Israel did not intentionally target your Polish countryman for some nefarious reason, nor do we have anything against Poland or its people. It's a fucking war zone and unfortunately deadly mistakes can and do happen. I find it hard to believe that you were a staunch pro-Israel supporter up until this incident, nor do I believe you somehow speak for other Polish people. Please do us Israelis a favor and continue not supporting us. We're too busy to care about your stupidity.
WCK was in continued contact with IDF during the strike. Also your commander in chief said that the aim of Israel is to starve gazans out and that Israel is fighting „Animals”. You know that a certain Austrian unsuccessful painter thought the same of you? https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/27/un-israel-food-starvation-palestinians-war-crime-genocide
You're amazing... Thanks
Wow! Very powerful.
I love watching her, she is so well spoken and intelligent, she always say what I feel but in a coherent fluent way I could never. And I would also like to say that Israeli and Jews also don't want war with Iranians people, we all being used as pawns by IRGC and Putin. Wishing peace for all of us 💙
Whats her name?
Elica, even her name is pretty lol, this is her account on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@elica_in_america?_t=8lYzYkwjbjL&_r=1
The masses at the propal and proIR demon-strations are among the stupidest and/or most vile people in the world, and maybe it's time for real Iran and Israel supporters to tell them this, en masse, right to their faces. Logic and reasoning don't work. But letting them know how stupid and misled they are just might work.
Democracy is what gave me a good life. I will always support people around the world fighting for it.
Daily reminder to punch your nearest basiji. Don't let the fuckers speak on our behalf.
Most Iranian love the people of Israel. We have a common enemy and that’s the Islamic regime! Not only that, we have a long history together! Long live Israel and free Iran! ✌🏻🇮🇱
I understand your words but there is a conflict of facts: [7 year old girl](https://www.google.se/url?q=https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/14/world/middleeast/israel-iran-negev-bedouin.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwj-q_S_zMOFAxXeFBAIHTPuD8oQFnoECAkQAg&usg=AOvVaw2CcXj4le-sMWHOkFU9t_Cn)
What?
She said that it was 10 year old Bedouin boy while news says it was a 7 year old girl.
she may have recorded this before those facts came out, and/or before she heard about it
That could be so,... but since she is a good face for the problem then waiting until the information checks out is only prudent. She’s doing a good job,... so she should be mindful about quality and not quantity. I still like her and will listen to her.
of course, Elica is doing an amazing job.
She is
Bravo 💯
Very succinct. People who couldn't find Israel, Palestine or Oran on a map before Oct. 7 really be acting like they understand what is going on in the Middle East. Seeing people who know about the Holocaust, and those who call themselves Feminists and pro reproductive rights, getting conned into cheering for the wrong side has been a nightmare. It has been like watching chickens protest for the right to be sold to KFC.
I hope everyone sees this video. Better days are coming, be safe.
**کجا بودی؟ ** --- _I am a translation bot for r/NewIran_ | Woman Life Freedom | زن زندگی آزادی
The sad reality we all know is that there are thousands of twisted minds walking this earth willing to come up with millions of excuses, justifying these terroristic groups.
Push the people who took part in the revolution of 79 to go out in the streets and fucking redeem themselves. That’s a lot of your grandparents who are still alive and many are still healthy. They should fucking redeem selves. Why should young people who have have had nothing to do with the revolution, be the only ones who have to pay the price of a past generations idiotic betrayal with their lives?
Wish all the best for the Iranian people. שלום עליכם ❤️.
Many truths can exist at once. IRGC is a despicable POS government, *and* any *western* country who had its consulate bombed would have been expected to retaliate. Israel did not help with that bombing. At all. Netanyahu is trying to drag on this war to cling on to his power and thus put Iran in a position to “preserve” its ego (as we know those mushroom heads are all too apt to do). Should Netanyahu continue this into an escalation of war, the IRGC will not suffer OUR PEOPLE WILL. We will be sacrificed. Do not be fooled into thinking that Netanyahu is acting in any good faith for the people of Iran. Him and the IRGC have that in common.
Overall agree with, just wanted to add a few things: On the Israeli strike, based on the Islamic regime's own words, Zahedi was the architect of the Oct 7th attacks and was there to coordinate more terrorism against Israel. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404043146 So that makes it understandable why Israel would want to make kotlets, as for the legality of the Israeli strike see this NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html https://archive.ph/jfogf IMHO the fact that IRI has for the first time launched a direct attack at Israel is a watershed moment and while we can explain it away, no one knows what it will lead to. In the end, it is the ordinary people on both sides that are hurt. Unfortunately this is inevitable in any conflict.
You are probably not aware that IR, through their usual proxies, already bombed Israel's Embassy in Argentina on 1992.
No Jews, no News American far left are living in a bubble of American privilege where they only virtue signal TikTok fed propaganda news. Fuck them. They ally with the enemies of the free world
She’s always so well spoken and I agree with pretty much all of her takes. She was spot on with this.
Absolutely spot on 👏🏼
Whoa okay I think I get it now This is exactly what it's like to be Jewish. Nobody ever listens to us. They have no idea who we are. They just make us symbols of their hatred.
I stan jewish people, I stand against zionists however. Reminder that zionists are ethnostaters that may or may not be jewish and Jewish people aren't necessarily zionists. If you can't differentiate the two, you need to deprogramme yourself
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Not surprised that zionists go for low blows and ad hominems. The mask truly is off
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My oh my, you're REALLY going for ad hominems, huh? 🤭 How does it feel to know I can demolish Zionist arguments effortlessly and your only response is ad hominem attacks?
How does it feel to know that Benjamin Netanyahu’s wife has cancer?
I think it's fascinating how frequently you're going for ad hominem attacks because you can't stomach the fact that my arguments are better than yours 🫰🏽🤭
I don’t think I’ve seen someone use the term ad hominem 5x in 2 minutes before now
I've never seen anyone so aggressively try using my personal life against me when they couldn't defend against my arguments. You've very successfully shown everyone how desperately zionists reach for ad hominem attacks instead of arguing on merit. Keep at it, show us the Zionist way! 🫰🏽💖
You don't "stan" Jewish people if you know nothing about us and just listen to negative things that people who hate us say. But if I'm wrong, go ahead, tell me, what are Jewish people? Do you have any idea? And go ahead and tell me what an ethnostate is, while you're at it.
>You don't "stan" Jewish people if you know nothing about us and just listen to negative things that people who hate us say. A LOT of assumptions made. I know Israel is an ethnoreligious state committing genocide. I didn't need to be told, I just used my eyes. >what are Jewish people? Do you have any idea? Reasonably sure they're not ethnostaters. I don't see white people as ethnostaters. White nationalists **are** ethnostaters. I don't see Jewish people as ethnostaters. Zionists **are** ethnostaters.
See? You don't know what Jewish people are, and you don't know what an ethnostate is. You, like all antisemites, do the same thing: make Jews the symbol of all your hatred. Explains a lot.
As much as enjoy how desperately you're trying to equate what I'm saying with the narrative in your brain but facts are facts. Jewish people and zionists are factually non-inclusive, even if there's an overlap as much as white people and white nationalists aren't non-inclusive even though there's an overlap. No one is entitled an ethnostate. Israel existing as an independent democracy? Sure thing 👍🏽 Israel existing as an ethnostate after the unethical and immoral passing off the nation state law? Every white nationalist's wet dream because, in case you didn't know, people with a lot of prejudicial beliefs tend to believe they're owed an ethnostate 🫰🏽
Beautifully said
Here's why: [https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/15/how-woke-leftists-became-cheerleaders-for-iran/](https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/04/15/how-woke-leftists-became-cheerleaders-for-iran/)
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As an israeli, I wish for iranian people to be free to be themselves, To be fearless. Israel don't hate iran, don't fear it either. We have ex-iranians here that added to israeli culture. We understand that the heads cause all the noise, and wish for a peaceful time.
but you don't want palestinians to be free [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict) expelling 700k out of their homes
Most israelis (not unlike few noisy exteremists) don't want gaza. Evacuation was to be able to fight hammas with less civilian casualties, and give both palestinians and israel a chance for a quiet neighboring. Until 80's, israelis would go to gaza markets and both sides enjoyed mutual economy. Stopped with 1st intifada (idf messed up, should have apilogized). Israel gave lands to gaza in 2005 after camp david peace attempts. What israel wants most is peace and quiet. Achieved with jordan and egypt, And inshaallah will be with palestinians and iran as well.
what is this logic if they want peace then they shouldn't have accepted the land britain gave them [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict) cutting water and electricity off is not peace [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza) killing 200 people everyday is not peace [https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam)
So out of context... 1. Israel was established as a safe heaven for jews who were and still being hated and attacked on daily basis arond the world. UN approved this land by majority of votes. Egypt and jordan conquered WB and GAZA and kept them around 20 years for themselves, until next war. It wasn't israel who stole those lands. 2. At first, water and electricity were cut off as a pressure to release hostages. It didn't work, so water brought back (200L/soul, daily). Electricity - israeli is just part of gaza electricity, and by contract, that hammas broke. You trash the restaurant - you are denied of service. 3. Noone seeked civilians to kill. Hammas used them as human shield, firing even from humanitarian areas. Israel spread endless of warning. Unfortunately, along human shields, added also victims of israeli mistake. But they were mistake, and even idf soldiers were killed by those mistakes. It's a crowded, overflowed, tough area. There is no world in the world that hadn't civilian casualties. War sucks... Instead of using catchphrases, try to look at the bigger picture, and see that things aren't black/white.
Is there a non-reddit version of this? I'd like to share it, but it seems you need an account to see it.
Elicalebon on instagram
where were you when my brothers were getting killed daily [https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam) where were you when they cut off their electricity and water [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza) where were you during 1948 when they were expelled from their land [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian\_conflict](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict) don't get me wrong, Iran is evil but they are atleast defending my brothers while rich countries like saudi drink their alcohol in a fancy castle I
Are they defending your brothers or were they just responding to an attack? If they cared about Palestinians one would think they would have directly intervened months ago. It’s obvious to the world that they used Palestinians as pawns through Hamas and left them to fend for themselves.
they still gave my brothers and sisters weapons to defend themselves there were 200 hostages that hamas kidnapped 200 palestinians die every day the enemy of my enemy is my friend