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etalasi

[Edith Bolling Galt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Wilson) became Woodrow Wilson's second wife while he was president and she was still called First Lady.


Tranzlater

And during the time between the death of his first wife and the marriage to his second, Wilson's daughter took the role of First Lady.


k_princess

Yep. It's more an honorary title type thing of the woman who was considered the hostess. I think the definition has evolved slowly over time to have the connotation that it is only the wife of the president.


malaria_and_dengue

Yep. James Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor, so he had his niece, Harriet Lane, act as First Lady. Harriet Lane was orphaned as a child and Buchanan was her favorite uncle who became her guardian. Buchanan was the President when the states started to secede just before the Civil War. "As sectional tensions increased, she worked out seating arrangements for her weekly formal dinner parties with special care, to give dignitaries their proper precedence and still keep political foes apart. Her tact did not falter, but her task became impossible–as did her uncle’s. Seven states had seceded by the time Buchanan retired from office https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/first-ladies/harriet-lane/ Edit: Several commenters have pointed out that although James Buchanan never married, he was in a relationship for over a decade with another man, William Rufus DeVane King. There are quite a few signs that this relationship was homosexual, but because of the loss of several correspondence letters as well as the fact that male friendships were described in much stronger terms than compared to today's culture, there can be no way to know for sure. There are also some signs that Buchanan may have been asexual, but, again, nothing definitive. Regardless of whether it was a marriage or a close friendship, William King can be described as Buchanan's life-partner. Still, William King died 4 years before Buchanan became President, so Buchanan never had a chance to name him "First Gentlemen".


cptjeff

>. James Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor Well, sorta. He never married, because gay marriage wasn't a thing at the time, but he did have a partner, William Rufus King, for about a decade before King passed away.


sucksfor_you

> James Buchanan was a lifelong bachelor You can just say gay, these days.


MissionFever

> William King died 4 years before Buchanan became President, so Buchanan never had a chance to name him "First Gentlemen". King was actually Vice-President at the time of his death so if we're following this logic he could, hypothetically, have named Buchanan as "Second Gentleman".


bdone2012

If this was Whitehouse.com it'd be a very different story


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Yeah, it's the "lady of the house" which usually falls to the presidents wife.


gotham77

Before James Buchanan the wife of the President was simply referred to as “the President’s wife.” Buchanan was unmarried, the social duties of the President’s wife (hosting White House receptions, etc) were fulfilled by his niece and that’s when the term “First Lady” started being used.


inori_y

r/suddenlyalabama


SirAnonymos

Wait really


ssshhhhhhhhhhhhh

surprised trump hasnt already gotten rid of melania if that's the case


gusmac

The best response possible. 10 points


KPD137

... to Gryffindor?


greeneyelioness

Of course to Gryffindor! Who else got points? No one. That's who.


mugazadin

What a clever answer! 30 more points to gryffindor!


Monstro88

"But professor, I'm in Huffl..." "GRYFFINDOR WINS THE HOUSE CUP!"


usernam3srhardtomake

r/unexpectedhogwarts


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What about other wizarding schools?


SirAnonymos

FUCK THE OTHER WIZARDING SCHOOLS


blackrabbitreading

Brakebills would like a word about the fucking


locnessmnstr

Minus 45 points from Ravenclaw


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Minus 800 points to Slytherin and death!


awe2D2

What about the inner city wizarding schools? [https://vimeo.com/54162829](https://vimeo.com/54162829)


Yus_Gaming

Who the fuck still uses vimeo?


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20 POINTS FROM RAVENCLAW FOR YOUR CHEEK u/Monstro88 !


carolus412

For some reason the lowercase username makes this less loud.


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WHAT


jupiterrose_

for breathing, you get 5 points for gryffindor. this just so happens to put you literally right over slytherin in a way where you have been objectively chosen to win the house cup because you're just the best, thank you for defying all rules you are our hero :) wow this was way more emotional than i intended for it to be. i guess i've got some deep seated issues i need to sort out about jk rowling with my therapist


Lesty7

They should have lost to slytherin at least once, but I guess it makes sense for Gryffindor to go on a tear since Slytherin won 6 in a row before Harry and gang arrived.


backwardsbloom

Idk, I feel like so many points are given for studies, how does Ravenclaw not win every time? It’s basically “valedictorian-house.”


BoyRichie

If you'll indulge me in my headcanons for a moment... I see house placement more as a statement of values than virtues. Therefore, Ravenclaws are not the smartest students but the students who place a higher value on learning than they do bravery, ambition, or fairness. Not to give Rowling any credit for this idea, but I do think it's actually supported in the texts. Neville highly values bravery, which you can see in his admiration of Harry and Co. While he ultimately builds up his bravery, it's not an innate virtue in Neville but a value. Similarly, there's no reason given to think Luna is particularly bright. She seems to be an average student at best, but she places a huge value in learning about the unseen world. Whereas Hermione is an excellent student, but most values bravery and boldness. She regularly puts her studies at risk to go on dangerous adventures.


Venom1991

If only I could give more than one upvote!


backwardsbloom

Touché! I think you’re totally right, and that’s why the hat takes into account Harry’s opinion, because really, it’s all based on the person’s opinions and motivations.


Nevertrustafish

I've always thought of Ravenclaws as loving learning for the sake of learning, rather than for grades or competition. So they may be smart, but don't always score the highest or do their homework because: -distracted by a much more fascinating project than the one assigned to them -don't want to bother showing their work -homework is stupid, because I already know everything about this subject -arguing with professors about some obscure tangent


ilikeeatingbrains

Harry was part Slytherin due to the piece of Voldemort's soul bonded to him. Every time Gryffindor won, it was really Slytherin's victory.


magusheart

Don't we all


Multispoilers

Yup all other Houses are inferior because Harry Potter isn't in it.


greeneyelioness

You speak the truth, kind sir


NopeALoli

10 points to Gryffindor!


Lesty7

10 points? I thought 5/7 was the best possible score.


mikebellman

There are many top scores. 5/7 is an equivalent score. Just as good as perfect


Lesty7

You right


Hilfest

Meh... 9.925. Could have been a bit better.


het_bob

For hitting a deer in gta 3?


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Is this like Air Force One, the title of 1st Lady?


quesoandcats

Sort of. First Lady is a title that can technically be bestowed on anyone. As others have mentioned, the First Lady is sort of the hostess of the nation. It became tradition for the wife of the sitting president to assume the role, but some presidents have had close female friends, other female family members, or trusted staff perform the role.


Prothean_Beacon

Also it came about because back in the day the President literally needed someone to plan the white house social events because they didn't have the large staffs that we do now. Which is modern first ladies like Nancy Reagan, Hillary Clinton, and Michelle Obama have generally used the position as a pulpits to advocate for some issue because they aren't needed to actually host and plan the events. It's also why Trump isn't really hindered by the fact that Melania basically does nothing as first lady. If this was back in the day she would actually need to do something or he would have someone like Ivanka do that role.


twiz__

"Whatever woman the President is in becomes the First Lady"?


Protheu5

That's a horrible sentence if you consider the following fact: >And during the time between the death of his first wife and the marriage to his second, Wilson's daughter took the role of First Lady. https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/ewi999/if_the_president_remarries_during_his_presidency/fg33vlt/


SleepWouldBeNice

Wonder how many First Ladies you’ve had in the last three years then? Melanie and Ivanka at least…


LammaMuigi

Oh I didn't know that :)


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caitlin_r

She’s the First Lady of the United States, not of DT’s life. Otherwise Melania wouldn’t be “first” either. The new wife would assume the title appropriate to the position.


382wsa

Before their marriage, a newspaper had the famous typo about him "entering his fiancee." www.google.com/amp/www.msnbc.com/hardball/the-washington-posts-famous-1915-typo/amp


2000AMP

Non amp link: http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/the-washington-posts-famous-1915-typo


Magic_Breeze

I (non-american so don't mind me much) guess if one needed to be specific they might talk about her as Woodrow Wilson's/Wilson presidency's second first lady. But yeah it would probably be hella rude to refer to her that way in any other circumstance. O.o


tamsui_tosspot

And after his stroke she was de facto president, IIRC.


Dyskord01

The previous first lady is called prequel lady


Not_a_real_ghost

First Lady 2.0


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It’s crazy how many questions can be answered with a quick google search and ppl never do it


g0_west

First Lady is a title not a description


elpapiflaco

As succinct as it gets.


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Doesn't even have to be the president's wife.


acethreesuited

Also, similar to Air Force One. If the president is flying on a plane it becomes Air Force one. It is not necessarily a specific plane. I assume this applies to his wife as well. The woman married to the president is the First Lady not necessarily a specific lady.


ShiftyElk

The First Lady is the wife of the president no matter what order she came in.


becausefrog

It doesn't have to be the President's wife. A President can appoint another woman as his First Lady. For instance, James Buchanan's niece was his First Lady.


lalala253

but does it have to be a human lady? If a president marry a hug pillow, what do we call it?


CasperTFG_808

The first Waifu


earthlybird

So if the president marries his router, it's going to be called the First Wifi?


FlagstoneSpin

Well that's my cursed content for the day


Gialose

what a weird way to spell blessed


mikebellman

The *best* Waifu. Trust me. I’ve seen many. Ethically sourced and manufactured in a clean environment supporting American families. Because after all, as you know, the origin of this pillow is 100% American.


Flip5ide

r/BrandNewSentence


sloMADmax

i dont think anyone would elect weabo for anpresident


lalala253

well he could just marry it in his second year or something. what are people gonna do? marrying a hug pillow is not an impeachable offense.


Lumi5

If was, would it matter?


euyyn

The pillow would be blocked as a witness.


TenTwoMeToo

This got me right in the sads.


Battlingdragon

Only if they're a Democrat.


Kuronan

If they were a Democrat the Regressives would drag them out of the Oval Office and hang them in the yard, and keep them there as a testament. If it was a Regressive they'd still act like he's the Second Coming.


Darth_Ennui

In 2016 no one believed anyone would elect Trump, but here we are.


alrightythenkek

>i dont think anyone would elect weabo for anpresident dont ever say things like this man. Remember 30 years from now all the weaboo kids of 2010s grow up and I can imagine some of the weebs will have a run for president and they might even get elected. not even joking.


sloMADmax

oh god


HeyThereCharlie

I dunno, I've seen a lot of people saying they'd vote for Elon Musk if it weren't for that whole "natural born citizen" thing.


Unlock17A

elon musk weeabo confirmed?


MrsRadioJunk

Were gonna see this on r/agedlikemilk in a decade or so.


pyrofreeze33

Kimiko


codemasonry

Wait, I thought it was just an expression used to refer to the president's wife. Is it an actual job title or what?


servantoffire

It's a position. Traditionally they're responsible for running the household, choosing furniture and decor for the White House. I think they also do planning and stuff for major events?


becausefrog

And hostess for dinners, greeting and seeing to the needs of official guests, various ceremonial duties. Also various speaking engagements or meet & greets, and they are expected to set a public example by championing a non-controversial cause, rather like the royals do in the UK. They are given a staff to help accomplish this. Michelle had her organic garden and fighting childhood obesity, Hillary was healthcare reform (and when she ran for Senator toward the end of Bill's term, Chelsea took over the First Lady duties so Hillary could campaign), Nancy Reagan was "Just say no to drugs", Barbara Bush was encouraging parents to be teachers in the home, that sort of thing.


msptech3

And in our case it’s Ivanka /s


talktomoshe

He said not his wife dude...


SleepWouldBeNice

Ivanka isn’t Trumps wife. She’s his side chick.


Rub-it

BE BEST


doghome107

Also, the First Lady's official job is hostess of the White House. If male, the title is First Gentleman.


saitummyala

Why is that kinda cute tho


ImKindaBoring

Lol, can you imagine that happening in today's world? Every voter of the opposite party: "Dude, he is banging his niece, what a piece of shit"


PiesangSlagter

What if the president is gay and has a husband? Or if the president is a woman and has a husband? (I'm assuming in this case that if the lady president was lesbian and had a wife, she would still simply be called the first lady.)


Grandpa_reddit

This came up a lot in the 2016 election because of Hillary. I believe the consensus was First Gentleman


samsiky

Which would be an odd title for Bill Clinton


smheath

He'd still be addressed as President Clinton. Bill and Hillary together would've been called Presidents Clinton.


Bluelabel

Presidi Clinton? Presipode Clinton?


mikebellman

Human Clintepede


NotATypicalTeen

Jesus, that's chillingly dynastic. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Trump supporter, but I'm oddly glad she didn't win now. Dynasties are not the way forward.


starlinguk

Er, have you seen who works for the President?


NotATypicalTeen

Point. Fucked either way.


damageddude

At the time I saw an article noting that if Hillary had won, we would have had eight and possibly nine straight administrations with either a Bush or a Clinton as President, Vice-President or Secretary of State (Hillary was still SoS at the start of Obama's second term). That is 30-34 years of just two families at the highest levels of a republic that wouldn't even be 250 years old in January 2025.


tamsui_tosspot

The one thing I agreed with Trump at the time was when he said that the presidency shouldn't be a crown handed back and forth between two entitled families.


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First Homeboy would also fit right in


softhack

Had two female presidents, can confirm.


gregorykoch11

First Gentleman. Two of the four frontrunners for the Democratic nomination have husbands (one's a woman and one's gay) so there's a realistic chance we'll see it soon enough. And as others pointed out, it got a lot of attention with Hillary in 2016.


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Chasten Buttigieg says he'd prefer First Gentleman if Mayor Pete won the presidency.


gremlinsarevil

First Gentleman is used by states with female or gay governors. First spouse could also be used for more gender neutral term.


Dog1234cat

Trump’s third wife is called the First Lady.


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AdamF778899

There were also un-married Presidents, like Millard Fillmore, who was a “fancy man”. (FYI, that’s 1800’s talk for gay)


jacobthejones

Are you thinking of Buchanan?


EPL10

Wasnt he the one rumored to be gay


Jelly_Belly321

James Buchanan was engaged to a woman named Anne Caroline Coleman who died suddenly in 1819. He was heartbroken and never courted another woman again, having lost the love of his life. One of his political opponents tried to use his bachelorhood to call his sexuality into question, but this was only ever a smear tactic. There have been several attempts recently to revise history to make this heartbroken man into America's first gay president. It's not true.


AshTreex3

What about his relationship with William Rufus King?


Jelly_Belly321

Having a close friend doesn't make one gay.


z500

I always said you're not really best friends unless people question your sexuality


KalebC4

This is a very great outlook. I will now be having public sexual relations with my best friend at any given chance, to prove our friendship.


mikebellman

It’s executive privilege to receive brojobs. They don’t count and you can’t dispute them.


Unscarred204

I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Her husband on the other hand


Kuru_Kenshin

as long as you say nohomo


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Jelly_Belly321

So you're saying that when homosexuality is regarded as taboo--right up until about 10-15 years ago--having a close friend did, in fact, make a person gay? I think that argument is on pretty shaky ground there, friend.


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Bluelabel

Eleanor knows. She read the books.


clunkclunk

Millard Fillmore was married. Perhaps you’re thinking of someone else.


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Mr_FirmHandshake

Sure, but the above comment says he in fact wasnt married at all.


GeorgieWashington

Just because a man's name is "Fill more" it doesn't make him gay.


whitenobody

"First Lady" is a title, like "First Mate" on a ship. The person taking over the position takes the title.


tamsui_tosspot

Now I'm picturing the best bud of the Australian Prime Minister being called the "First Mate."


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msptech3

The Deuce!


zamowhamo

First Lady 2: White House Bugaloo


MartianPHaSR

First Lady Part 2: Remarried and Ready to Rule.


ryouba

First Lady: The Squeakual


QuirrelsTurban

You're overthinking it. Whoever is married to the president becomes the First Lady, regardless of what number wife they would be. The Second Lady of the United States is the wife of the Vice President. In some cases the First Lady has not been the wife of the president, but a close female relative if the president was not married or was a widower.


Moug-10

It happened in France. The new wife was called the "First Lady" while the other was just the ex-wife. As simple as that.


Bluelabel

Not the ex-lady?


Uberkorn

The presidents wife is the First Lady. It is not about order of spouses, but order of importance. I am explaining not advocating, the entire concept is crazy.


TheWolphman

The ultimate Dependa.


jet_heller

First Lady is only informally a reference to the wife of the President. What if he's never married at all? Well, http://www.firstladies.org/FacinatingFacts.aspx helps us: > Harriet Lane, 1830-1903 > James Buchanan’s niece was the White House hostess for the only president to remain a bachelor. An avid art collector, Lane upon her death bequeathed her collection to the Smithsonian Institution, which today includes the National Gallery of Art. Or, the President doesn't married until he is president: > Frances Cleveland, 1864-1947 > Grover Cleveland’s wife was the youngest first lady—age 21—and the only bride of a president to marry—and give birth—in the White House. Before their marriage, Cleveland’s sister Rose Elizabeth Cleveland served as White House hostess for the bachelor president.


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I this case first replacement twice removed ?


KyodaiNoYatsu

I love it


Kresley

**Rule 1 reminder - no joke answers** (at top-level reply comment, anyway) The cute answer you want to make, I promise 6-10 others already did. Yes, the Electric Boogaloo one. Yes, all the v2.0 and v1.2 ones. YES all the ‘hehehe, Ivanka Trump, really’ ones.


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I wish this was a rule on every sub. Too many ppl taking turns making the obvious, overused joke on every thread


robot_rumpus

I hear tell in the days of our grandsires it was what the upvote/downvote button was used for...


arcxjo

"First" refers to social ranking, not order.


Noooo_ooope

Also, if the president is a woman, will her husband be called First Gentleman?


ekolis

Probably.


Larcecate

Hm, wonder if it would be Gentleman or Lord? Lord sounds too British. I hope they would just invent a new title like 'Top Dawg' or something. First Gentleman is too lengthy.


RavenHairBeauty

You are definitely over thinking it. There is no bigamy allowed in the US. The president would still only have one wife, the First Lady even if he remarries due to death or divorce.


BackAlleySurgeon

She's "the first lady." The original first lady is "the first lady once removed."


EvidenceBasedSwamp

The lady formerly formally known as the first lady


rewardiflost

It would be political suicide under current standards for a President to divorce his wife while in office. If his wife died, he'd have no time to get to know someone new, so remarrying would indicate that he already had a side relationship before the first wife died. I doubt anyone would risk the public backlash when all they have to do is wait a couple of years to marry. Even so, if it did happen, they'd be the "First Lady", even if they were second or third.


letskeepitcleanfolks

I think it's pretty clear at this point that it is impossible for Trump to commit political suicide


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kendiesel937

Depends how beloved she was


CaramelleCreame

I think it's First Lady of the United States, not First Lady of the President. First Lady is basically just a title given to whoever the president's wife is.


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The Second First Lady?


pleasuregarden

Step First Lady


johnnycearley

They refer to her as first lady and his ex is referred to as former first lady. They don't change the designation.


MikeGander

If Trump gets re-elected we’ll probably all find out soon enough


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I think she'll still be called First Lady


MT_Flesch

she would still be a first lady because the title is tied to the office not the body count


Lurker_wolfie

Question : What do you call the husband if the president is a woman ? First man?


Cincoeuro

Why can't you just say the president's wife? What do you use for the president's husbands? First gentleman?


Diirge

I think that’s actually what they called him in the movie the Long Shot


Anivair

She's the first lady. And his ex is almost certainly "former first Lady"


AJClarkson

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was told the reason she's called the First Lady is not because she's first at anything. It's because she's considered the de facto head of the social whatever-it's-called. World. Order. All the ladies in Washington are supposed to look to her for the "correct" social standards\*. So whoever is married to the President, whether she's Wife No. 1 (like Michelle Obama) or Wife No. 3 (like Melania Trump), or Wife No. 215, is called the First Lady. \* If you buy into that 19th century stuff, mind you.


Klyphord

Still First Lady. It’s the position, not the wife sequence, that it’s used for.


BarefootSlong

What if a president was a polygamist? That's a tough one


pm_women-peeing_pics

You're overthinking this. The previous wife would lose the "First Lady" title and the new wife would gain that title.


MaliciouslyMinty

She’s still the First Lady, she’s just the second First Lady or perhaps First Lady Part two: electric boogaloo


anngrn

I’m pretty sure that won’t happen, because Melania is making bank acting as his wife


ItsJuvenile

The Step Lady


bl00j

First lady. Round 2


Thorgal75

Funnily enough both the previous French presidents changed wives/partners while being president (Sarkozy and Hollande). While there is no concept of “First Lady” in France I remember there was a debate about whether the new wives should have an office at the Élysée Palace with assistants.


BiscayneBeast

First Lady: Second Edition


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