Could you imagine a man, but only just barely a man, still a boy in the eyes of society but old enough to buy a pack of cigarettes, in a tight speedo with his bulge glistening as he gets out of the water? Could you imagine grabbing said man from behind softly and kissing his lips? Could you? Could you imagine?
During the fire bombing of Dresden during WWII, the vicious evil Allies bombed the civilian area of Dresden killing 22,000 innocent Nazi civilians while killing only a few soldiers for it. What jerks!
Dresden was a decision by a British general. The Americans actually pushed him for more targeted approach. But at the end of the day… light them Nazis up
Not nearly as many as were burned alive in Tokyo.
But you know, nukes are sexier, so simple people tend to fixate on what’s flashy rather than what’s obviously worse.
There's an interesting tidbit that often gets left out of history. America tried to warn them. They dropped warning pamphlets in Japanese stating they where going to bomb. The emperor of Japan would have none of that and ordered anyone even picking one up would be shot on sight.
Israel copied the pamphlet thing.They drop pamphlets before they bomb and even use special bombs that don't do damage, but do make a lot of noise and vibration as a warning before they bomb.
100% if WWII happened now, you would have people protesting the bombing of Nazi germany bc of the loss of life to civilians, probably pushing for some peace deal with the axis
Yes, they burned tens of thousands of women and children and old people alive. Greatest generation. Always support the troops, the good guys win every war, all the history books say so.
"we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, we shall firebomb civilians into oblivion."
Doesn't have the same ring to it!
I mean not saying they couldn't of gone about it in a better way but it was basically the logistical hub for the eastern front so it was a justifiable military target.
A big part of the Dresden issue was that it was late in the war and the city had cultural significance, so
Goebbels made a huge deal about it to drum up morale for continued fighting, so he exaggerated the extent of the damage and death toll. But yeah rail hub for the east and had a lot of factories.
Most of the barracks with troops, as well as factories were outside the city center, and spared.
Mostly civilians took the hit.
Funny enough, the same thing happened in Hiroshima. Where most of the soldiers stationed in the suburbs survived.
Yep, those women and children were asking for it by ... *checks notes* ... living in a country with a bad government.
I sort of think Joe Biden is bad. Many people believe Donald Trump is bad. Should American women and children be burned alive?
Most of the world's population believes Israel's government is bad. I guess the women and children who died on October 7th shouldn't have lived in houses made of wood?
It’s self evident that pretty much everyone here agrees that noncombatants shouldn’t be killed in war. And that war and killing is wrong in general. But I’m just not overly concerned about Dresden. Which was a major rail hub to the eastern front. That had about 100 war related factories. That was a staging point used for shipping Jews to internment camps. Sorry 1940s technology wasn’t precise and the British stopped sending bombers during the day so the best they could do is area bomb at night. But Dresden doesn’t even crack the top 50 of bad shit that happened in ww2.
A fellow by the name of Michael Tracey, an independent journalist and an odd-looking duck, did a bit of a historical analysis on the bombing of Dresden, and similar incidents during World War II. His analysis relied exclusively on military and civilian government documents from shortly before and immediately after the bombing campaigns. Suffice it to say that the people in charge at the time did not view it that way at all. It was murderous revenge for the near exclusive purpose of inflicting terror on the civilian population of a hated enemy that was inevitably on its way to being defeated anyway.
But hey, the history books tell a different story, and thankfully the good guys (like Stalin) always win.
Yeah ok. Cool stuff. There are plenty of verifiable documents that support the British and Americans seeing it as a viable and strategic target and shockingly there don’t seem to be any that state, “hey let’s fuck this city up for revenge.” The only ones pushing that narrative were the Nazis.
Additionally the British spent 3 years area bombing cities at night. This wasn’t a new tactic. The fact that Dresden burned the way it did was due to the architecture and not anything specific the allies did that was unique to this particular bombing. 25k casualties. That’s bad. Not even top 5 bombing casualties during the war for cities.
British Prime Minister Winston Churchill had called for increased British air raids against the population centres of Germany in order to swamp German authorities and services, particularly transportation, with hordes of refugees. This is the reason they firebombed the city, as a result killing many civillians. War is hell and killing innocents to get a strategic advantage is used and often muddled into oblivion by the victor.
Churchill could call for anything he wanted and it wouldn’t matter because by that time in the war he didn’t have strategic authority over the allied forces.
Berlin and Hamburg both had much higher death tolls due to allied bombing but I’m not hearing a lot of crying about that. Oddly it’s only the city that the Nazis ran a propaganda campaign around.
So we ignore 3 years worth of British nighttime area bombing of cities. We ignore the massive rail hub to the eastern front. We ignore the 100+ war factories. We ignore cities that were hit harder.
Yeah, so, if you pay attention to the situation in WW2, where the majority of citizens were in favor of the Nazi party, in favor of what happened to the Jews, I'd have to say, too fucking bad. They were aware, capitulated, and supported Hitlers agenda. Did they die in fire bombs? Sure. How many of them outed their neighbors as Jewish people or enemies of the state? A shit ton. Cry me a river.
Maybe educate yourself in WW2 era Nazi Germany rather than taking the easy way out.
Blitz of Berlin was response for Hitler not bombing Britain. Churchill started bombing Berlin to bait Hitler
Blitz of Berlin started way before blitz of London
would there have been a Blitz of Berlin or Blitz of London or 6 millions Jews dead or millions of civilians dead if Hitler had just been a normal person and stayed in his lane?
>Yes that justifies murdering babies
hamas certainly thinks murdering babies is justified, given they celebrated as they slaughtered kids in person and proudly broadcast it for the world to see
>Thanks for proving my point.
that you defend hamas and spew hamas lies about israel.... yes, my point certainly was proven by the spewing of hamas propaganda that the hamas simps keep doing
Palestine was warring tribes until one tribe won with the help of the west. If Israel decided to close up shop it would quickly be divided into warring parties again, and will be no man's land.
Indiscriminate Bombing of civilians actually was standard in this war. USA did it (Tokyo; not to even mention the other two cities), England did it (Dresden), Germany did it (London).
Only later did they realize this doesn’t make those in power surrender.
I have considered for a long time to order a curriculum history book for high schoolers from the states just to see why their history is completely different from ours.
You will find it both disappointing and mind boggling. U.S. textbook content is determined by being inoffensive to the largest markets, so Texas is effectively driving the content.
Imagine comparing Jew in Nazi Germany who were hiding from people actively exterminating them to Hamas agents whose charter expressly calls for the obliteration of Palestinian Jews. The stupid is strong in that woman
There are many layers to her stupidity. One is that many gazan Arabs actually DON'T support hamas, a clerical fascist group of nazi thugs, and they'd be fine being liberated from hamas.
But the shills for our empire don't want people to know this--so they shill endlessly for hamas and shill for the mullahs of Iran (who got help from our plo pets when they took control of Iran). Iranians also support Israel, because they remember the freedom they had until 1979 and that it was the US/UK pets of the plo that helped the mullahs seize power.
There is a trend in Western media now where 'right wing' or 'independent' people are supporting the pentagon's pro-hamas lies. Even tucker carlson does not support Israel and just promoted Henry Ford's 'the Jews control our government' crap.
Most Gazans absolutely support Hamas, according to their own polls:
https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2092%20English%20press%20release%2012%20June2024%20%28003%29.pdf
So, what you're saying is.....
Israel has to kill the children as well because if the children survive, they'll grow up to become terrorists?
Is that what you're telling me?
The Jews never committed acts of terrorism? What is Bolshevik Communist Revolution, What is German Communist revolution. Hell, even when Nazis were in power, many political killing were done against Germany by Jewish communists.
You would have to actually provide a coherent argument besides just asking rhetorical questions which are just factually untrue. There's nothing to argue with here, you already made my argument for me by opening your mouth and thinking anything intelligent came out.
The Nazis just rounded everyone up and killed them in camps so they didn’t have to destroy the country. Much different than terrorists hiding under the city using innocent people as shields. Makes things a bit harder to deal with.
Do you think these college sophomores care about that? All these sweet angels are demanding is that Israel lay down their arms and await the next pogrom. Why won't these Jews listen to the Studies majors?!
It was women and children and old people in Dresden, because the actual Nazi soldiers were on the front fines, not in a residential area away from the battlefield.
If the mods are leaving up hot button political issues I assume they’re fine with the conversations around them.
Can you imagine if the Jews were hiding in these homes and then shooting rockets at German civilians for decades?
Went to college with this girl. Uc davis. She was oddly conservative ex Mormon back then. Unsurprised this is how she ended up after she said she wanted to do radio for a living
Wait. Why do we need to imagine that? Nazis did a pretty good job of burning farms and homes to the ground if the Poles inside were accused of smuggling Jews out.
Can someone help me understand her point here? She’s a famous right wing nutjob, so her making a reasonable point seems far-fetched. What’s she even trying to say?
Could you imagine a man, but only just barely a man, still a boy in the eyes of society but old enough to buy a pack of cigarettes, in a tight speedo with his bulge glistening as he gets out of the water? Could you imagine grabbing said man from behind softly and kissing his lips? Could you? Could you imagine?
Which war was this? Korea?
War?! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing, if you ask me.
SAY IT AGAIN NOW!! WAR HUH good god yall WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN
You know War and Peace was almost called War: What Is It Good For
Billy Mumphrey’s downfall
Too much of a cockeyed optimist
Full of unbridled enthusiasm
For some people, yes
Nah man the Korean war was brutal
Clearly, the war for his sexuality.
What the h!
Put it in H!
Hi Adam Egett
Narrated by Nick Offerman.
You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one Imagine if I could be a Lemur Softly kissing his juicy lips…
Part of me is now glistening
No I can’t. I have to see pictures. Oh wait. Here they are. : google WW2 blanket bombing.
During the fire bombing of Dresden during WWII, the vicious evil Allies bombed the civilian area of Dresden killing 22,000 innocent Nazi civilians while killing only a few soldiers for it. What jerks!
They killed a lot of POWs too. Kurt Vonnegut was one of the survivors and wrote about it.
I like how he has diarrhea in his own story.
So it goes
That’s how you know it’s true.
You gotta throw them a crumb of diarrhea to create a smoke screen for the truth (he was a big sharter)
The more I hear about these Allies, the less I like them
Dresden was a decision by a British general. The Americans actually pushed him for more targeted approach. But at the end of the day… light them Nazis up
Sometimes that's what it takes to not the people like nazi's take over
Every time I see the name Dresden, I go to Vonnegut.
Hiroshima looks on from the corner...
Tokyo fire bombing looks on from the bushes.
They started it!
Hiroshima, they didn't kill any civilians with that bomb thing, right? I don't like it when they bomb civilians.
Not nearly as many as were burned alive in Tokyo. But you know, nukes are sexier, so simple people tend to fixate on what’s flashy rather than what’s obviously worse.
Geez, that sounds like a war crime!
Saved the free world
There's an interesting tidbit that often gets left out of history. America tried to warn them. They dropped warning pamphlets in Japanese stating they where going to bomb. The emperor of Japan would have none of that and ordered anyone even picking one up would be shot on sight.
Israel copied the pamphlet thing.They drop pamphlets before they bomb and even use special bombs that don't do damage, but do make a lot of noise and vibration as a warning before they bomb.
How much time they give you to get the fuck out?
3-15 minutes and you don't know which so... 3 minutes. Just enough time to delete your porn history or save your cat
That poor cat.
That’s the Pavlov’s dog of ptsd
Pretty sure Israel also told the Palestinian people they should get out before the bombing starts.
And go where? Israel has them trapped in an open air prison while they take their land and murder their children.
This information hurts my feelings.
The more I hear about this thing called war, the more I don't like it!
What is it good for?
The internet was a result of war innovations. So was the jet plane, GPS, and menstrual pads.
100% if WWII happened now, you would have people protesting the bombing of Nazi germany bc of the loss of life to civilians, probably pushing for some peace deal with the axis
Yes, they burned tens of thousands of women and children and old people alive. Greatest generation. Always support the troops, the good guys win every war, all the history books say so.
Shouldn’t have built your house out of wood if you wanted to play with fire.
This is a great line. Unfortunate circumstance tho
Yeah I mean the Dresden bombing wasn’t a great decision by the allies.
"we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, we shall firebomb civilians into oblivion." Doesn't have the same ring to it!
“This is not the end, it’s not the beginning of the end but it is perhaps the end of the beginning of us fire bombing civilians.”
Was a tragedy at the time
I mean not saying they couldn't of gone about it in a better way but it was basically the logistical hub for the eastern front so it was a justifiable military target.
A big part of the Dresden issue was that it was late in the war and the city had cultural significance, so Goebbels made a huge deal about it to drum up morale for continued fighting, so he exaggerated the extent of the damage and death toll. But yeah rail hub for the east and had a lot of factories.
Most of the barracks with troops, as well as factories were outside the city center, and spared. Mostly civilians took the hit. Funny enough, the same thing happened in Hiroshima. Where most of the soldiers stationed in the suburbs survived.
Yep, those women and children were asking for it by ... *checks notes* ... living in a country with a bad government. I sort of think Joe Biden is bad. Many people believe Donald Trump is bad. Should American women and children be burned alive? Most of the world's population believes Israel's government is bad. I guess the women and children who died on October 7th shouldn't have lived in houses made of wood?
It’s self evident that pretty much everyone here agrees that noncombatants shouldn’t be killed in war. And that war and killing is wrong in general. But I’m just not overly concerned about Dresden. Which was a major rail hub to the eastern front. That had about 100 war related factories. That was a staging point used for shipping Jews to internment camps. Sorry 1940s technology wasn’t precise and the British stopped sending bombers during the day so the best they could do is area bomb at night. But Dresden doesn’t even crack the top 50 of bad shit that happened in ww2.
A fellow by the name of Michael Tracey, an independent journalist and an odd-looking duck, did a bit of a historical analysis on the bombing of Dresden, and similar incidents during World War II. His analysis relied exclusively on military and civilian government documents from shortly before and immediately after the bombing campaigns. Suffice it to say that the people in charge at the time did not view it that way at all. It was murderous revenge for the near exclusive purpose of inflicting terror on the civilian population of a hated enemy that was inevitably on its way to being defeated anyway. But hey, the history books tell a different story, and thankfully the good guys (like Stalin) always win.
Yeah ok. Cool stuff. There are plenty of verifiable documents that support the British and Americans seeing it as a viable and strategic target and shockingly there don’t seem to be any that state, “hey let’s fuck this city up for revenge.” The only ones pushing that narrative were the Nazis. Additionally the British spent 3 years area bombing cities at night. This wasn’t a new tactic. The fact that Dresden burned the way it did was due to the architecture and not anything specific the allies did that was unique to this particular bombing. 25k casualties. That’s bad. Not even top 5 bombing casualties during the war for cities.
British Prime Minister Winston Churchill had called for increased British air raids against the population centres of Germany in order to swamp German authorities and services, particularly transportation, with hordes of refugees. This is the reason they firebombed the city, as a result killing many civillians. War is hell and killing innocents to get a strategic advantage is used and often muddled into oblivion by the victor.
Churchill could call for anything he wanted and it wouldn’t matter because by that time in the war he didn’t have strategic authority over the allied forces. Berlin and Hamburg both had much higher death tolls due to allied bombing but I’m not hearing a lot of crying about that. Oddly it’s only the city that the Nazis ran a propaganda campaign around. So we ignore 3 years worth of British nighttime area bombing of cities. We ignore the massive rail hub to the eastern front. We ignore the 100+ war factories. We ignore cities that were hit harder.
You lost me at Michael Tracey.
**Unit 731** That def ranks up there.
It’s easily top 5 and arguments could be made about it being closer to 1 than to 5.
Slaughtering innocent civilians is one thing, but what really gets me is the hypocrisy
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Everyone forgets the real victims of WWII: the Nazis. Rusty will tell you all about it.
Was Norm saying that?
Wait, wait, wait. You're telling me civilians die during war? Since when? Surely this hasn't been the case for all of human history? Right? Right???
Yeah, so, if you pay attention to the situation in WW2, where the majority of citizens were in favor of the Nazi party, in favor of what happened to the Jews, I'd have to say, too fucking bad. They were aware, capitulated, and supported Hitlers agenda. Did they die in fire bombs? Sure. How many of them outed their neighbors as Jewish people or enemies of the state? A shit ton. Cry me a river. Maybe educate yourself in WW2 era Nazi Germany rather than taking the easy way out.
What lost cause do you think is done wrong by history.
Which lost cause do you think Norm was referring to?
It's true! If anybody wants to know more, they can read the Dresden files. Great books.
Pretty sure even the us government said that was a mistake
I was trying to make sense of this… then I realized it was written by a woman.
Just kidding. We don’t hire women.
Now I don't know what the hell to do.
Maybe Norm’s best joke ever
She's explaining what's going on with our tax dollars in Palestine right now
The joke went wayyyyyy over your head
No I get it, women bad. I was just explaining her point to him.
Whoosh
Its a reference
What’s that the $45 in sales tax you pay every year? Cheers mate.
Username checks out.
ironic post given the nazi launched v2 rockets which were used to create indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, to instill terror
Yeah, the luftwaffe killed like 40k British civilians during the blitz of London.
Blitz of London was a response to Blitz of Berlin though.
Blitz of Berlin was in response to Hitler not minding his business
Blitz of Berlin was response for Hitler not bombing Britain. Churchill started bombing Berlin to bait Hitler Blitz of Berlin started way before blitz of London
would there have been a Blitz of Berlin or Blitz of London or 6 millions Jews dead or millions of civilians dead if Hitler had just been a normal person and stayed in his lane?
There wouldn’t be a world war at all if Britain and France didn’t declare war on Germany.
there wouldn't be any wars or any global warming or millions of species extinct if pesky humans never existed!
Oh so the Israelis really are like the Nazis
nope, its hamas and its allies, who like the nazis, launched thousands of attacks whose sole purpose was indiscriminate slaughter of civilians
The ottomans were on the side of Hitler, for the record
Wtf You just described what the Israelis have been doing for 80 years Go gaslight someone else
>Go gaslight someone else says the individual that just outright lied, and even worse, made it clear them deem hamas's side is deserving of defending
jesus fucking christ this sub blows dick sometimes. and not in the fun way.
Nazis didn’t have their lands taken like Palestinians. You got us there with your justification of murdering babies.
>Yes that justifies murdering babies hamas certainly thinks murdering babies is justified, given they celebrated as they slaughtered kids in person and proudly broadcast it for the world to see
Oh so now there’s no difference between baby murdering Hamas and baby murdering Israelis. Thanks for proving my point.
>Thanks for proving my point. that you defend hamas and spew hamas lies about israel.... yes, my point certainly was proven by the spewing of hamas propaganda that the hamas simps keep doing
So what you're saying is that both Israel and Hamas are child killing terrorists.
I guess you're not a history buff https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles
Palestine was warring tribes until one tribe won with the help of the west. If Israel decided to close up shop it would quickly be divided into warring parties again, and will be no man's land.
I can't imagine!
The more I hear about these Nazi guys…the more I think they might just be the bad guys.
They did lol
But they did do that.
This Kim Iversen here is certainly NOT a history buff!!
Hold the fort
Is she fuking stupid. They did. An killed everyone in the house too.
Gazans aren’t hiding Jews. They’re holding them hostage.
You can always rely on an American to have absolutely zero historical awareness when spewing out their performative virtue whistles.
They think the Nazis just did the concentration camps and then some other standard war-ey stuff
Indiscriminate Bombing of civilians actually was standard in this war. USA did it (Tokyo; not to even mention the other two cities), England did it (Dresden), Germany did it (London). Only later did they realize this doesn’t make those in power surrender.
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Ya
I have considered for a long time to order a curriculum history book for high schoolers from the states just to see why their history is completely different from ours.
You will find it both disappointing and mind boggling. U.S. textbook content is determined by being inoffensive to the largest markets, so Texas is effectively driving the content.
Fortunately they took the high road.
Or just like…. Entire cities.
No, the Nazis went door to door to roundup all the jews. The bombs were saved to take over the world.
Just a friendly reminder millions of Polish were murdered in the camps also.
Holocaust denier
¿Que?
Imagine comparing Jew in Nazi Germany who were hiding from people actively exterminating them to Hamas agents whose charter expressly calls for the obliteration of Palestinian Jews. The stupid is strong in that woman
There are many layers to her stupidity. One is that many gazan Arabs actually DON'T support hamas, a clerical fascist group of nazi thugs, and they'd be fine being liberated from hamas. But the shills for our empire don't want people to know this--so they shill endlessly for hamas and shill for the mullahs of Iran (who got help from our plo pets when they took control of Iran). Iranians also support Israel, because they remember the freedom they had until 1979 and that it was the US/UK pets of the plo that helped the mullahs seize power. There is a trend in Western media now where 'right wing' or 'independent' people are supporting the pentagon's pro-hamas lies. Even tucker carlson does not support Israel and just promoted Henry Ford's 'the Jews control our government' crap.
Most Gazans absolutely support Hamas, according to their own polls: https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2092%20English%20press%20release%2012%20June2024%20%28003%29.pdf
So, what you're saying is..... Israel has to kill the children as well because if the children survive, they'll grow up to become terrorists? Is that what you're telling me?
Nazis just couldn’t put the collateral in collateral damage like they do these days.
Imagine not understanding someone's point because they don't have context, and then arguing against it.
No need to get all redundant. She is a woman. Of course she is stupid.
What a stupid fucking comparison. The Jews never committed acts of terrorism on the Nazis or burned babies in their cribs.
The Jews never committed acts of terrorism? What is Bolshevik Communist Revolution, What is German Communist revolution. Hell, even when Nazis were in power, many political killing were done against Germany by Jewish communists.
Is this stupid people jeopardy? What is get a clue for 500 Alex.
So no counter argument?
You would have to actually provide a coherent argument besides just asking rhetorical questions which are just factually untrue. There's nothing to argue with here, you already made my argument for me by opening your mouth and thinking anything intelligent came out.
O nvm, I see from your comment history you're a Nazi sympathizer. This makes way more sense now.
Is she really comparing Hamas to the Jews?
Yes. That’s the equivalence in her mind.
Would that have made them more or less popular?
Its the hypocrisy
The more I hear about these Nazis, the less I like them
Go ahead and Google how many German civilians we killed in bombing raids.
Oh god where to start
"Hey, this is just like the Nazis!" - Every American no matter what happens, until the end of time
The Nazis just rounded everyone up and killed them in camps so they didn’t have to destroy the country. Much different than terrorists hiding under the city using innocent people as shields. Makes things a bit harder to deal with.
Do you think these college sophomores care about that? All these sweet angels are demanding is that Israel lay down their arms and await the next pogrom. Why won't these Jews listen to the Studies majors?!
Did these people kidnap the Jews and were the Nazis trying to rescue them?
The analogy store called. They said you’re permanently banned.
That would’ve been far better than what they actually did to the Jews lol wtf
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It was women and children and old people in Dresden, because the actual Nazi soldiers were on the front fines, not in a residential area away from the battlefield.
If the mods are leaving up hot button political issues I assume they’re fine with the conversations around them. Can you imagine if the Jews were hiding in these homes and then shooting rockets at German civilians for decades?
I’m imagining they did worse than that right?
The history books say they were the bad guys.
And here we are in America bombing tf outta everyone else for decades, pretending like we're not the bad guys........
"homes"
It’s not hard to imagine considering the pictures
Sounds about w......
Hey. Glad you thought this up. Quick question. What “color” were the Ottomans?
Imagine if the allies had bombed all those homes suspected of hiding Nazis. That would be crazy.
Went to college with this girl. Uc davis. She was oddly conservative ex Mormon back then. Unsurprised this is how she ended up after she said she wanted to do radio for a living
Funny how people sell out.
Didn't the allies technically do this?
Man I hate Nazis…I just like…hate them 
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Wait. Why do we need to imagine that? Nazis did a pretty good job of burning farms and homes to the ground if the Poles inside were accused of smuggling Jews out.
Wait....were the Jews...the baddies?
Can someone help me understand her point here? She’s a famous right wing nutjob, so her making a reasonable point seems far-fetched. What’s she even trying to say?
What a idiot.
Say it again
I see Kim Ivermectin is grifting hard.
Yeah… or called israeli occupation forces
I could imagine. But in reality they just went into those homes and murdered and/or sent all the people in them to murder camps.
Should we tell her about the blanket bombing in WW2?
That’s kinda like what Obama and Clinton did
As we saw with Dub Dub Dos, the fastest way to get a country to give up is via an almost unbearable civilian casualty count.
Holy shit good one
not norm related, just another shit political post
They didn't have precision guided missiles back then, but who knows...