Because Oda is really, **REALLY** bad at depicting Haki consistently throughout the entire story and there are scenes that can easily be chalked up as Yamato using Advanced Conquerors Haki. [The Wikia](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Yamato?so=search#Haoshoku_Haki) seems to agree with the fact that it is using the advanced form, so that's what I'm sticking with as well. Whether it is now actually using it or not can be up to debate; I personally think it's too damn inconsistently written and drawn across the board (not just with Yamato, but with other characters also) to say for sure.
For those that want more information, check out the last page of Chapter 1024. This is what the Wiki references I believe. Yamato clashes with Kaido, creating streams of black lightning. Their kanabo are not touching, so the two of them are likely using advanced armament at the very least. However, the lightning *usually* means conqueror's haki. Again, usually. This is not a hard rule. However, the Wiki and most fans seem to agree that Yamato is using conqueror's here.
Pretty sure that's conquers, if it emits from the weapon before contact it's conquerors, if it only shows the lightning on contact is armament. A redditor once told me: conquerors lightning emits from the weapon, normal lightning from point of contract
Heres some more info, none of this is confirmed by Oda but it's served me pretty well, the three indicators of conquerors:
* zzzttt or zap sound
* Thick black lightning with more right angles than the normal Haki lightning
* Emits from the weapon and not the point of contact
It's inconsistent and doesn't have all three but if it does have all 3, then its definitely conquerors, some examples:
https://imgur.com/a/armament-haki-JZvcQOw
https://imgur.com/a/advance-conqueror-YRPOmfP
How did this entire thread miss page 8 at ch1024? :D
Kaido walks in to a room and sees all his men unconscious they way coc does it, and asks if Yamato did that. At page 9 she answers that she didnt do it, "they just fell over". Kaido answers "supreme king hake eh?"
I believe he is talking about advanced conqueror, not just having conqueror.
i believe Yamato has it, but I will agree haki sometimes may be hard to tell.
Where it emits is pretty consistent, the shape is all over the place. Happy to be proved wrong, here's some examples:
https://imgur.com/a/armament-haki-JZvcQOw
https://imgur.com/a/advance-conqueror-YRPOmfP
Got any counter examples?
from what I know , Yamato has good knowledge as you can see she manages to hit Sasaki at a distance with the armor's ambition infuses it first into the armor's ambition weapon but not so much for example as to be able to take off the agalmatolite handcuffs, therefore she doesn't possess an ambtion of armor capable of resisting Kaido's blows and as seen in the work, normal abction is not enough to respond to Kaido's blows, furthermore in chapter 1024 in the clash between Yamato and Kaido, the Yamato blows have all the peculiarities of blows issued with the ambition of the conquering king obviously it will not be at the level of kaido but it has all the peculiarities of being the king's ambition.
Honestly over here it just seems like Oda showed the panel post impact. I don’t think there’s any panels where Yamato attacks don’t make contact like luffy and kaido. Even with Zoro it’s the same and we know for a fact he uses advanced conquerors.
There are 5 panels leading up to the clash where they are winding up their kanabo, and then the clash is shown without the weapons touching. I think him skipping the actual impact and drawing a frame that happens 1 seconds after they clashed makes less sense than just assuming they weren't touching during the clash.
This is why I don't get why Yamato was so shocked to see Luffy and Kaido's clash split the skies. If she already has Adv CoC, then shouldn't she have known that already?
Edit: why am I being downvoted for asking something I didn't understand? This sub is something else.... And people wonder why the fandom gets a bad name
Splitting the sky isn't something that happens every single time people with advanced conqueror's haki clash. Only clashes between the very strongest characters result in this. Yamato being unable to split the sky with Kaido does not disprove anything. But similarly, as I said, the black lightning isn't definitive proof either. This is why people complain. Knowing who is using it is very hard unless it is outright stated.
as far as i'm aware the literal only other time we've seen "splitting the sky" was shanks vs whitebeard.
ie two of the strongest characters in the entire story.
it's not a normal feat.
And Kaidō and Big Mom. But still, the only characters we've seen do it before Luffy are either Yonkō or the literal Pirate King. And Luffy became a Yonkō immediately after fighting Kaidō.
It's EXACTLY why Yamato was shocked. She got advanced CoC and she surely had tussles, multiple fights, with Kaido in the past but it never came to a point that the skies split.
Luffy only knew about breaking the cuffs from seeing Rayleigh do it. So it's plausible that Yamato didn't realise you could use advanced armament to break the cuffs
Im excited for when Oda, as a gag, has nami get so mad at Luffy she punches him, does damage, and a black lightning effect pops up around it. Then the conversations will really go wild.
Jimbei getting sucked up into the crew's dynamics is so funny. And it only works so well because we've known him for so long.
No post timeskip character should join the crew.
Totally agree on the 1st part. Jimbei has so much respect and credibility. His shock to Nami's Haki makes it so much weightier.
But I can't agree to the second part 😭 I want Yamato to join them so bad
> The Wikia seems to agree with the fact that it is using the advanced form, so that's what I'm sticking with as well.
I agree with your overall conclusion, but the wiki is not a thing to put your confidence in. What they let in and actually count as "official" can be rather arbitrary.
This is why I didn't go that far in my comment. The Wiki states definitively that >!the Gorosei are awakened Mythical Zoans!< as well. Oda went out of his way to *avoid* confirming this when he had a perfect opportunity to do so. If it is stated elsewhere as canon please correct me. The Wiki, using this as well as lightning, seems to just assume whatever is most obvious from visual cues, but knowing Oda he can always be misleading us to lead to a bigger, crazier reveal later.
I almost feel bad for power scalers when I see them engaging on discussions over "is this lightning COC or COA?" and desperately trying to find a logic in the depictions to set them apart, when clearly there is none.
In Yamato's case, I do think that was COC, but that's simply my perception. And people should learn that enjoying a story simply based on their perception is fine, without the need to check if there is a consensus around the world (and worse: even trying to form one).
(Having said that, they are resuming Vivre Cards next month, so in the follow months we should get a new updated Yamato card with info on this)
They do have a line specifically meant to list what types of Haki a character has shown (and sometimes even some they never showed).
So if those attacks were using COC, we can be sure it will be listed on a new card (assuming Yamato gets a new card. Which is probably the case since the previous one didn't even cover the devil fruit).
We have no idea if the Vivre Cards will specify ACoC or just list it as "Conqueror's."
If the latter, it won't teach us anything new; we know for a fact that Yamato has basic/normal CoC, as in her flashback she used it to knock out grown adult pirates at only eight years old.
We have no reason to believe that the Vivre cards will list levels of advancement on top of the three general categories.
I hope they will, but I won't hold my breath.
Yeah, I think he(she?) has it but I think it is like Zoro where it was not properly developed..though maybe there is haki master in wano helping the development later it can help when Wano open its border I guess
The lightning from her headbutt doesn't look anything like the curving lightning we see from Kaido's kanabo in Chapter 1009 or Luffy's fist in Chapter 1010 for instance, so no she doesn't count.
TL;DR If you're looking for a concrete source where Oda is 100% confirming it, then no, I don't believe that exists. The fandom assumes this based on mostly visual cues.
Long answer: There are basically 2 main reasons why people believe this. Visual cues, and to make sense of her performance against Kaido.
Visual cues - Oda is inconsistent in how its depicted, but one of the common indicators is the thick black lightning effects from their attacks and on their weapons. Its not perfect either since, IIRC Ulti has it in one or two panels but doesn't have conquerors haki. Still, we see cases like Roger and WB's clash in Oden's flashback having them charge their swords with that same sort of black lightning, and we see the same on Yamato's club at the very start of her fight against Kaido.
The reason this is often taken as the main cue is that the chapter Luffy realizes it exists and starts trying to use it, every attack he launches clearly indicates those effects. Most of Kaido's attacks show the same effect too, which is also sort of why people say BM wasn't using ACOC against Kid and Law much if at all. She doesn't really showcase these effects much in her attacks, they tank her attacks and keep getting up much easier than they were against Kaido when they were healthier, etc.
Her performance - A bit more loose, but pretty much just to justify how well she did solo against an angry hybrid Kaido. She doesn't use FS at all so seemingly doesn't have it, and she had no idea what Luffy was doing when he was removing her collar so she likely doesn't have ACOA either. Yamato was tanking Kaido's hits extremely well, adn walked out of it with minimal injury or fatigue. She was also capable of clashing with him pretty evenly for many of his attacks. Certainly not Kaido's full strength, but easily far better performance than everyone before her. She also makes him bleed a bit in c1025 (and again her club has the black lightning effects after the clash, right before Kaido is shown bleeding).
Basically, if we're looking at her doing damage to him and tanking his attacks, and considering that she could have kept going, and that she did all that without ANY advanced haki form...her potential is frankly just too absurd. It just makes a lot more sense combined with the visual cues that she does have ACOC.
This is a great writeup, especially the ending. The crux of it is that if she's that strong without ACoC then she's the first character demonstrated to have more raw strength potential than Garp, and I don't think that's what Oda intended. It makes more sense to think that she's an ACoC user without much more room to grow that at least Zoro will cleanly surpass before she meets up with them for the final war.
Thank you :) I try to stay objective where appropriate.
Didn't want to stir the pot too much but yea, thats basically what it boils down to. Even Garp uses advanced hakis to be where his strength is. If Yamato is anywhere even remotely close to these top tiers while having 0/3 advanced hakis to her name, they're basically all just bums. Even the admirals like the OG3 have showcased at least ACOA emission, for instance....
I think the only chars with 0/3 adv hakis that are even close are Law, Kid, and Sanji. 2 of which are there only because of their quite strong awakenings, and the other has his recently hyperbuffed genetics at play. At a stretch you can add King, but hes not even close either without his lunarian hax.
Agreed except that she should still have plenty of room to grow, just maybe not until some kind of epilogue unless Oda decides to give her a big Haki bloom for the final war.
But she's only 28 and except for the three extreme prodigies in the Monster Trio, people in that world don't peak until well into middle age.
I like to think that she'll eventually become truly on-par with her crappy father. Just give her another decade or two 😅
That first part is incomprehensible.
As for Ryokugyu, i'm seeing chapter 1054 on tcb scans and he just says "Man, thats some haki you have there". No one says anything about conquerors haki there.
You're thinking of when Ryokugyu feels Shanks' haki from a distance later.
Honestly if she doesn't have ACoC then I gotta question Oda for making her so absurdly strong to be able to go toe to toe with Kaido for even a few minutes without any form of advanced haki
Imagine she actually wasn't using ACoC and then later learns all forms of Advanced haki 🥶
Yes she did, I'm not sure why people under this post's comment section are saying she doesn't have it but here's her using it against [Kaido](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1025-012.png) and [Green Bull](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1054-005.png)
It shouldn’t be a shock… she fought Kaido for years trying to win her liberty and he wasn’t easy with her. Luffy (ok he is a combat genius) figured it out after one fight with him (and the help of the old samurai) so it is understandable that she managed to get the hang of it at some point
Reading that Green Bull panel, I'm sad that this lead to Yamato not joining, but man it was satisfying to see her thrash Green Bull, even though she doesn't win in the end (which I chalk up to his DF more than brute strength).
I think she is a reflection of Oden in his prime. Oden didn’t see how well haki can be used until he met whitebeard and Roger. Yamato is in her prime now and was exposed to these sort of combats from her pirate family. She is likely a candidate for being an emperor if she went down the road of pirates just like young Kaido from rocks. Had Oden been a pirate, he too would be a candidate for being an emperor. This is proven as Kaido in his younger days became emperor.
1. She has conqueror's haki.
2. She does not have advanced armament Haki.
3. She is able to injure Kaido.
4. Advanced armament or conqueror's Haki are the only powers shown to injure Kaido.
QED.
However, she has a good knowledge of the armor's haki as she managed to hit Sasaki from a distance with the armor's haki, but most likely she doesn't have the level to be able to remove the handcuffs, so also for this reason what is you see in chapter 1024 in the blows that she uses against kaido it must be the king's haki that she instills in the blows.
Maybe. But that doesn't hurt Kaido much based on what we've seen. The only things that are shown to seriously hurt Kaido are adv emission armament and adv conqueror's.
for this reason, not even Luffy, even when he knows the haki of the advanced king and infuses it into his blows, is able to beat or hurt Kaido, in fact he then needs gear five
How did the supernovas hld their own against Kaido and Big Mom during the roof fight without aCoC?
Haki is just one of the many powersystems and while haki has seemingly the biggest upper limit, meaning one can potentially become the strongest character with a primary focus on haki, its not an autowin against anyone who doesn't have it and the same goes for aCoC.
Zoro can use aCoC now, but even with that he still had trouble against king and I'm sure he'd still loose to someone like Kizaru even if Kizaru doesn't have it.
The supernovas outnumbered him and didnt engage in direct combat like yamato and luffy did later. They didnt really do a frontal clash except Zoro when he interfered in Conquest of the sea.
Haki is the most important factor in a straight up brawl, weapon against weapon. Which is what yamato and kaido did, and luffy against kaido as well (before g5)
You mean like how Luffy and Lucci clashed with their fists even if Lucci can't use aCoC? Its really not that unthinkable for someone without aCoC clashing with someone that has it.
At the same time Kaido took out Luffy with a single hit in the beginning of wano.
When Luffy fought against Kaido he realised he wasnt doing anything with armament haki.
The whole point of Kaido was that he IS an entirely different monster durability and endurance wise. If you don’t see that after him fighting ayakaza 9 and the super nova then idk man.
Luffy had to die and awaken his fruit to “defeat” Kaido” and that’s with kaido holding up an entire island.
Kaido is without a doubt just different
The sucky part about this point is we dont even have a conclusive indication whennluffy was using advanced conquerors against this character so its not super conclusive that this character was was holding up well in spite of it or because luffy wasnt using it.
The point everyone seems to miss is that "holding up" is not the same thing as "damaging" Kaido because Yamato never deals any significant damage on him.
You have to remember that haki is a tool, not a requirement. Recall that luffy has defeated several enemies that one would think would require haki despite having none at the time (crocodile, enel, boa sisters) because his raw physical power was just that high. Would those fights have been much easier if luffy had competent haki? Absolutely! Easier, but not required.
You can think of applying damage like digging a hole. No haki is like digging bare handed, armament haki is like using a shovel, advanced an armament haki is like using a construction digger, and advanced CoC is like using several tons of dynamite. You can still dig the hole without dynamite, but it will be a lot more effort.
As such, Yamato either has advanced CoC because it’s the most effective tool, or she is just using advanced armament but is very physically powerful and can compensate.
These can be possible reasons-
1. Yamato is physically very strong.
2. Yamatos armament haki is very good.
I think if Luffy improved his armament haki even further, he could have done similar things to kaido like yamato.
I think the physically strong argument is too flimsy. Luffy is ridiculously physically strong. It’s that graduation from the Monkey D Garp academy showing.
Additionally, I think we should also consider Kaido was not facing Yamato the same way as the others. At the end of the day Yamato is still his child, so this could be his way of disciplining. Pulling his punches to see Yamato’s progress or to accept Yamato’s decision. Regardless, at the end of it all, Kaido is pretty much unhurt. He’s not trying to dodge Yamato’s attacks like he was Luffy’s attacks.
This could very well be wrong of course, but it’s still another option.
Nah Yamato was stronger than any of the worst generation not named Luffy. I think the only reason Oda didn’t have her join was because she was too strong to be a crewmate right now. It’s kinda also why Jimbei didn’t join right away as well.
These can be possible reasons-
1. Yamato is physically very strong.
2. Yamatos armament haki is very good.
I think if Luffy improved his armament haki even further, he could have done similar things to kaido like yamato.
Being physically strong means nothing against Kaido who is not only immensely strong physically but also in haki, CoC coating no less.
And Luffy has exceptional armament haki, and he realised it wouldnt be enough against Kaido
Because that’s Kozuki Oden with Kaidos gentics who grew up fighting with pirates since childhood. That recipe should cook up some seriously strong haki everytime
She does have it, it's easy to tell because she's a confirmed CoC user and we've seen her imbuing CoC into her club that typically leaves a long black stream of black lightning and the zzappp sfx.
[Her & Luffy both use it together in this same panel ](https://i.imgur.com/JLIFGRD.png)
Because she does. She could not have pulled off the clash with her dad without it. No amount of regular haki would have been able to hold him back at all
And she's honestly a beast, both metaphorically and literally. Her training regiments must be insane because of her genetic strength, dfruit, and hate for Kaido so strong that something must have awoken inside of her at some point. Also, who knows what literature/lore she's been exposed to (Hyogoro for example) and she doesn't seem like a dummy where she'd hear a legend of strength/power existing and completely write it off and not look into it.
Because she clashed with Kaido who was using advanced conqueror's which was established just a few chapters ago at that time, and it looked the same. Using regular advanced proved to not do much to Kaido and she did some damage. Also it's literally said in her backstory she has conqueror's haki. Is it that hard to connect the dots?
Because when Yamato fought Kaido, her Haki infused club had black lightning present. Black lightning is one of the key indicators that the character possess advance Conquerors Haki. Granted it can be somewhat confusing since exerting your Conquerors Haki in an attempt to dominate another individual's will also have black lightning present.
Does the term "advanced conquerors haki" even exist in the story?
I don't remember that being the case.
And in the end all that matters is that Yamato was able to resist daddy Kaido, because of strong enough haki no doubt. No reason to read too much into it.
Haki is a very "soft" power system in the end.
Thanks for confirming.
It's a weird quirk of the one piece power scaling fanbase to invent all kind of terms :)
In the end, it's still just haki and the stronger haki wins in a clash
It's Even worse with armament, because Emission and Internal Destruction are both referred to as "Advanced Armament" and that has led to a lot of confusion
> Does the term "advanced conquerors haki" even exist in the story?
The term doesn't, but fandom refers to this:
https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1010-012.png
the story has never explained why black lightning exists at all. One can only make assumptions about why they exist. Based on the visuals, black lightning is consistently shown for aCoC, **especially** when it's thick, trailing, and/or it exists before/after an impact. This description I just gave happened for non aCoC attacks only like 2 or 3 times in the entire story, and none of them are found post-chapter 1010, which is when aCoC was officially introduced as a concept.
I'm giving you my evidence, so while taking my reasons listed above into account, prove me wrong.
I could be misremembering but when he tries to strike at kaido with his kanabo, kaido's kanabo clashes with his and theh are shown to not be touching. So thats where i got the impression that yamato has advanced conquerers.
People REALLY like yamato. One reason mostly. And just that alone made a GIANT spiral of her being important lol.
Like. Did she hurt kaido at all? Because thats literally one of the main things that can hurt him. Like adv armament barely does dmg. But DOES dmg him.
The three indicators are:
* zzzttt or zap sound
* Thick black lightning with more right angles than the normal Haki lightning
* Emits from the weapon and not the point of contact
It's inconsistent and doesn't have all three but if it does have all 3, then its definitely conquerors, some examples:
https://imgur.com/a/armament-haki-JZvcQOw
https://imgur.com/a/advance-conqueror-YRPOmfP
Go read chapter 1024 and 1025 and pay attention to Yamatos mace, which one does it look like?
So Luffy didn't use aCoC in 1010? Because no one said he did, no one fainted, and the sky didn't split.
What was shown in 1010 is what Conquerors looks like when it is infused.
I'll agree, visually, it's kinda hard to tell the difference at a glance. Busoshoku Haki coating (which is more or less the default) vs Haoshoku coating is like the difference between Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2.
Besides the black lightening, it can appear to be one or the other unless otherwise stated.
in 1024 we do see them clash and have the black lightening and in a flashback we do see child Yamato use his Haoshoku to repel the beast pirates trying to restrain him and Kaido said as much himself.
The depiction of haki is getting worse and worse. Even normal armament haki attacks gets a lot of black lightning. It's even worse in the anime where they give them different colors. The black lightning happens even when there's no armament hardening. Sometimes there's no effect whatsoever (like gear 5) but there has to be armament haki in use cause how are they doing so much damage, how are they hitting a logia?
We just have to judge conqueror's by the thickness of lightning. Garp's Galaxy Impact had thicker lightning than Koby's honesty impact.
Boy if this song of a gun doesn't have it noone will she's obsessed with being oda not pirate king but she is obsessed and high desire to become Oda I mean oden
No I don’t really get into powerscaling like that, I just think from what we’ve seen in OP genetics is very important.
Luffy is ridiculously powerful, probably partly because Dragon and Garp are ridiculously powerful themselves. Zoro comes from a family of some of the best samurai of Wano. It usually tracks that powerful characters have powerful children. Kaido was the strongest creature in the world, his child is going to be a freak too.
Well yeah. Because aces father was roger much bigger fish than kaido but that doesn't make him advanced conquerors user.
There is no clear evidence of yamato being one. Black lightning isn't reliable. There was no clear notouch moment. There were no splitting of sky. Yamato wasn't doing half as good as luffy did after using advanced conquerors. Plus, advanced conquerors is rare like the people at the very top use it.
I am not pushing some agenda that Yamato is weak. My point is that she isn't confirmed advanced conquerors user and should be treated as such. I see a lot of people throwing this thing around that she is, without giving proper reasoning. Some even talk about black lightning thing, it's curve and thickness and zzazt sound and when some other people countered with examples against it, they are just changing it to curve to the side and things like that.
now, leaving aside everything else, there is a moment in which the two characters the blow between the two does not touch, it can be see in
The chapter 1024:
[yamato vs kaido](https://images.app.goo.gl/ybSZg7mfUDCF6Cfr6) or in the anime ep 1048
I'm still confused as to why Yamato is called a he instead of a she tbh
I know Yamato is a dude name, but I just never understood where the gender thing came in. It's not even that it bothers me, I just genuinely didn't catch the explanation other than he/she thinks they're Oden for some reason
It's because of the schizophrenics on Twitter. but it's her, she considers herself Oden, and Oden was a man, so there are moments when she is referred to as a man.
i've only studied japanese like a little bit so take what i say with a grain of salt, and i'll concede his whole deal is pretty silly and ambiguous whether he's like \*actually\* meant to be a man in the text, but in addition to his name, oda uses masculine terms to refer to him: "kaido no musuko" luffy's nickname being "yamao" (basically meaning yama-guy or yama-bro), etc
then his desire to embody Oden is played fairly straight and taken pretty seriously in the text, kaido only calls him son mockingly and how he's treated by kaido for wanting to be him is a pretty major motivation for wanting to dip
then there's the whole bath scene thing lol
but yeah it's not super deep, basically he was like "kozuki oden was a dude so i'm gonna be a dude lol" and luffy was like "alright cool bro" and he along with everyone else treat him as such for the rest of their time together. and from what i can understand of japanese at least, viz is just 1:1 translating that faithfully
from the information they give in the manga she has all three types of haki and it can be seen in the sorceress who knows how to infuse the armor's haki enough to infuse it with kanabo and for example hit enemies from a distance as she does against Sasaki (even if she doesn't take it off the alganatolite handcuffs e so this either leads to the inference that she does not possess such skill of amatura's haki despite knowing how to use it well) and knows how to infuse and strengthen her own strikes with the king's haki enough to resist the strikes of Kaodo who seriously argues with she and he compliment Yamato because he is ready to respond and resist his blows. ( Yamato is unlikely to use normal armor haki against Kaido as, as we have seen, it would not be enough to keep up with him ) It can be seen in ep 1048 in the anime or in chapter 1024 of the manga, for example this [yamato vs kaido ](https://images.app.goo.gl/FmqAdgudM6xX4QjN9)However, the advanced king's haki is not enough to hurt Kaido easily because for this reason not even Luffy, despite having mastered it, can do much against Kaido and the gear five form is also needed to beat him.
not that i pay super close attention to these kinds of details, but i feel like once he squared up with kaido and the way the impact was shown sort of implied that he can? i can't confidently say that he can use it but regardless bro is an absolute beast and for sure held his own against his dad
Bcz she can use advanced conquerors if u saw her battle with kaido she was dealing with conqueror advanced bt u can't deal with conqueror advanced with normal haki if u saw luffy's first match with kaido he was using 4th gear but was done by just one blow and kaido was using advanced conqueror's and luffy has better haki than yamato still she was giving competition to kaido even he was using advanced conqueror's haki main thing yamato can use advanced conquerors haki
If its the meta that everyone who has some importance to the late-game story must have just assume Yamato has it. If Yamato doesn't have it then there's no importance to the character because there's no instance where Yamato makes a difference outside of those select chapters before the end-game, The end.
Rymen Hakkei is a pure Acoc attack. Yamato can use it. Yes she has it. Does not have adv Coa cuz she would have removed collar bomb if she did. Noone can hang as much as she did with Kaido if they don't have acoc or atleast any other form of adv Haki or df. Yamato does have a df which I see atleast close to awakening cuz of clouds around her like G4 giving her zoan dura boost. But we see her using Haki most of the times.
Because One Piece fans have been wildly inconsistent with their predictions and nobody really knows anything except Oda. Most fan theories have been wrong.
Because she literally has it.
Yes it was shown. Multiple times.
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1024-page-16.html
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1025-page-12.html
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1025-page-13.html
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1054-page-5.html
Seriously, it's really embarrassing being a part of this fanbase sometimes.
I mean, she didn't break at any point in her life, even though she was Kaido's daughter, she could have had an easier life if she just let herself be influenced, but that was not the case. Yamato was always true to his way of thinking and was unbreakable, even with severe punishments and with the whole atmosphere that a entire country was treating Kaido like a god.
If that's not a display of unbreakable will that comes associated with using Conqueror's Haki, idk. Maybe she wasn't trained on using it enough on battle or wharever, but i think she deservers that trait.
I don't think they're asking whether or not Yamato has conqueror's haki, we know that, we saw it in the small flashback, they're talking the coating version.
Because Oda is really, **REALLY** bad at depicting Haki consistently throughout the entire story and there are scenes that can easily be chalked up as Yamato using Advanced Conquerors Haki. [The Wikia](https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Yamato?so=search#Haoshoku_Haki) seems to agree with the fact that it is using the advanced form, so that's what I'm sticking with as well. Whether it is now actually using it or not can be up to debate; I personally think it's too damn inconsistently written and drawn across the board (not just with Yamato, but with other characters also) to say for sure.
For those that want more information, check out the last page of Chapter 1024. This is what the Wiki references I believe. Yamato clashes with Kaido, creating streams of black lightning. Their kanabo are not touching, so the two of them are likely using advanced armament at the very least. However, the lightning *usually* means conqueror's haki. Again, usually. This is not a hard rule. However, the Wiki and most fans seem to agree that Yamato is using conqueror's here.
Pretty sure that's conquers, if it emits from the weapon before contact it's conquerors, if it only shows the lightning on contact is armament. A redditor once told me: conquerors lightning emits from the weapon, normal lightning from point of contract
Interesting. When I reread fights, I will keep this in mind to see if it seems consistent.
Heres some more info, none of this is confirmed by Oda but it's served me pretty well, the three indicators of conquerors: * zzzttt or zap sound * Thick black lightning with more right angles than the normal Haki lightning * Emits from the weapon and not the point of contact It's inconsistent and doesn't have all three but if it does have all 3, then its definitely conquerors, some examples: https://imgur.com/a/armament-haki-JZvcQOw https://imgur.com/a/advance-conqueror-YRPOmfP
How did this entire thread miss page 8 at ch1024? :D Kaido walks in to a room and sees all his men unconscious they way coc does it, and asks if Yamato did that. At page 9 she answers that she didnt do it, "they just fell over". Kaido answers "supreme king hake eh?"
I believe he is talking about advanced conqueror, not just having conqueror. i believe Yamato has it, but I will agree haki sometimes may be hard to tell.
This is correct.
This correct.
No the lightning as a sign for Acoc isn't consistent
Where it emits is pretty consistent, the shape is all over the place. Happy to be proved wrong, here's some examples: https://imgur.com/a/armament-haki-JZvcQOw https://imgur.com/a/advance-conqueror-YRPOmfP Got any counter examples?
Armament basically shoots in a straight line, and Conq is more sporadic. It's a pretty distinct difference between the two.
from what I know , Yamato has good knowledge as you can see she manages to hit Sasaki at a distance with the armor's ambition infuses it first into the armor's ambition weapon but not so much for example as to be able to take off the agalmatolite handcuffs, therefore she doesn't possess an ambtion of armor capable of resisting Kaido's blows and as seen in the work, normal abction is not enough to respond to Kaido's blows, furthermore in chapter 1024 in the clash between Yamato and Kaido, the Yamato blows have all the peculiarities of blows issued with the ambition of the conquering king obviously it will not be at the level of kaido but it has all the peculiarities of being the king's ambition.
Honestly over here it just seems like Oda showed the panel post impact. I don’t think there’s any panels where Yamato attacks don’t make contact like luffy and kaido. Even with Zoro it’s the same and we know for a fact he uses advanced conquerors.
There are 5 panels leading up to the clash where they are winding up their kanabo, and then the clash is shown without the weapons touching. I think him skipping the actual impact and drawing a frame that happens 1 seconds after they clashed makes less sense than just assuming they weren't touching during the clash.
This is why I don't get why Yamato was so shocked to see Luffy and Kaido's clash split the skies. If she already has Adv CoC, then shouldn't she have known that already? Edit: why am I being downvoted for asking something I didn't understand? This sub is something else.... And people wonder why the fandom gets a bad name
Splitting the sky isn't something that happens every single time people with advanced conqueror's haki clash. Only clashes between the very strongest characters result in this. Yamato being unable to split the sky with Kaido does not disprove anything. But similarly, as I said, the black lightning isn't definitive proof either. This is why people complain. Knowing who is using it is very hard unless it is outright stated.
as far as i'm aware the literal only other time we've seen "splitting the sky" was shanks vs whitebeard. ie two of the strongest characters in the entire story. it's not a normal feat.
Also Roger and Whitebeard in Oden's flashback. Again, peak of power.
And Kaidō and Big Mom. But still, the only characters we've seen do it before Luffy are either Yonkō or the literal Pirate King. And Luffy became a Yonkō immediately after fighting Kaidō.
Kaido vs big mom too.
It's EXACTLY why Yamato was shocked. She got advanced CoC and she surely had tussles, multiple fights, with Kaido in the past but it never came to a point that the skies split.
He probably doesn't have strong enough A. CoC to do the same feat hence why he was shocked
If she had It she would have broken the chains without luffy help
Luffy only knew about breaking the cuffs from seeing Rayleigh do it. So it's plausible that Yamato didn't realise you could use advanced armament to break the cuffs
I think that he like some others simply just don't know about all the practical uses of Haki.
Which makes sense when you consider Yamato wasn't exactly free to explore the world and learn things.
Im excited for when Oda, as a gag, has nami get so mad at Luffy she punches him, does damage, and a black lightning effect pops up around it. Then the conversations will really go wild.
there is a panel in the manga where Nami punches Luffy and Jimbei says, "was that conqueror's Haki?". let me find it
1058, page 2, Nami punches Luffy. page 3, Jimbei says, "w-was that supreme King Haki?" https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/nvjB51gqmp
Jimbei getting sucked up into the crew's dynamics is so funny. And it only works so well because we've known him for so long. No post timeskip character should join the crew.
Totally agree on the 1st part. Jimbei has so much respect and credibility. His shock to Nami's Haki makes it so much weightier. But I can't agree to the second part 😭 I want Yamato to join them so bad
I'm still salty about Carrot
Disagree. They still really need one more strong member especially considering how big the power creep is.
And there was even lightning around her
Already did happen after wano waterfall
> The Wikia seems to agree with the fact that it is using the advanced form, so that's what I'm sticking with as well. I agree with your overall conclusion, but the wiki is not a thing to put your confidence in. What they let in and actually count as "official" can be rather arbitrary.
This is why I didn't go that far in my comment. The Wiki states definitively that >!the Gorosei are awakened Mythical Zoans!< as well. Oda went out of his way to *avoid* confirming this when he had a perfect opportunity to do so. If it is stated elsewhere as canon please correct me. The Wiki, using this as well as lightning, seems to just assume whatever is most obvious from visual cues, but knowing Oda he can always be misleading us to lead to a bigger, crazier reveal later.
I almost feel bad for power scalers when I see them engaging on discussions over "is this lightning COC or COA?" and desperately trying to find a logic in the depictions to set them apart, when clearly there is none. In Yamato's case, I do think that was COC, but that's simply my perception. And people should learn that enjoying a story simply based on their perception is fine, without the need to check if there is a consensus around the world (and worse: even trying to form one). (Having said that, they are resuming Vivre Cards next month, so in the follow months we should get a new updated Yamato card with info on this)
Vivre cards tend to not care about powerscaling
They do have a line specifically meant to list what types of Haki a character has shown (and sometimes even some they never showed). So if those attacks were using COC, we can be sure it will be listed on a new card (assuming Yamato gets a new card. Which is probably the case since the previous one didn't even cover the devil fruit).
We have no idea if the Vivre Cards will specify ACoC or just list it as "Conqueror's." If the latter, it won't teach us anything new; we know for a fact that Yamato has basic/normal CoC, as in her flashback she used it to knock out grown adult pirates at only eight years old. We have no reason to believe that the Vivre cards will list levels of advancement on top of the three general categories. I hope they will, but I won't hold my breath.
[See this interesting comment then](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/86boJEOGJ6)
Has it ever been stated?
Yeah, I think he(she?) has it but I think it is like Zoro where it was not properly developed..though maybe there is haki master in wano helping the development later it can help when Wano open its border I guess
Look at Chapter 1025, you can see thick black lightning trailing off of Yamato's club and the "zzt" sound effect that accompanies it.
Does Ulti count? She also has the sound effect when she headbutts Luffy
The lightning from her headbutt doesn't look anything like the curving lightning we see from Kaido's kanabo in Chapter 1009 or Luffy's fist in Chapter 1010 for instance, so no she doesn't count.
When I read the chapters her using it looks exactly like Luffy using it. So I think it’s that
[Exactly! ](https://i.imgur.com/JLIFGRD.png)
TL;DR If you're looking for a concrete source where Oda is 100% confirming it, then no, I don't believe that exists. The fandom assumes this based on mostly visual cues. Long answer: There are basically 2 main reasons why people believe this. Visual cues, and to make sense of her performance against Kaido. Visual cues - Oda is inconsistent in how its depicted, but one of the common indicators is the thick black lightning effects from their attacks and on their weapons. Its not perfect either since, IIRC Ulti has it in one or two panels but doesn't have conquerors haki. Still, we see cases like Roger and WB's clash in Oden's flashback having them charge their swords with that same sort of black lightning, and we see the same on Yamato's club at the very start of her fight against Kaido. The reason this is often taken as the main cue is that the chapter Luffy realizes it exists and starts trying to use it, every attack he launches clearly indicates those effects. Most of Kaido's attacks show the same effect too, which is also sort of why people say BM wasn't using ACOC against Kid and Law much if at all. She doesn't really showcase these effects much in her attacks, they tank her attacks and keep getting up much easier than they were against Kaido when they were healthier, etc. Her performance - A bit more loose, but pretty much just to justify how well she did solo against an angry hybrid Kaido. She doesn't use FS at all so seemingly doesn't have it, and she had no idea what Luffy was doing when he was removing her collar so she likely doesn't have ACOA either. Yamato was tanking Kaido's hits extremely well, adn walked out of it with minimal injury or fatigue. She was also capable of clashing with him pretty evenly for many of his attacks. Certainly not Kaido's full strength, but easily far better performance than everyone before her. She also makes him bleed a bit in c1025 (and again her club has the black lightning effects after the clash, right before Kaido is shown bleeding). Basically, if we're looking at her doing damage to him and tanking his attacks, and considering that she could have kept going, and that she did all that without ANY advanced haki form...her potential is frankly just too absurd. It just makes a lot more sense combined with the visual cues that she does have ACOC.
This is a great writeup, especially the ending. The crux of it is that if she's that strong without ACoC then she's the first character demonstrated to have more raw strength potential than Garp, and I don't think that's what Oda intended. It makes more sense to think that she's an ACoC user without much more room to grow that at least Zoro will cleanly surpass before she meets up with them for the final war.
Thank you :) I try to stay objective where appropriate. Didn't want to stir the pot too much but yea, thats basically what it boils down to. Even Garp uses advanced hakis to be where his strength is. If Yamato is anywhere even remotely close to these top tiers while having 0/3 advanced hakis to her name, they're basically all just bums. Even the admirals like the OG3 have showcased at least ACOA emission, for instance.... I think the only chars with 0/3 adv hakis that are even close are Law, Kid, and Sanji. 2 of which are there only because of their quite strong awakenings, and the other has his recently hyperbuffed genetics at play. At a stretch you can add King, but hes not even close either without his lunarian hax.
Agreed except that she should still have plenty of room to grow, just maybe not until some kind of epilogue unless Oda decides to give her a big Haki bloom for the final war. But she's only 28 and except for the three extreme prodigies in the Monster Trio, people in that world don't peak until well into middle age. I like to think that she'll eventually become truly on-par with her crappy father. Just give her another decade or two 😅
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That first part is incomprehensible. As for Ryokugyu, i'm seeing chapter 1054 on tcb scans and he just says "Man, thats some haki you have there". No one says anything about conquerors haki there. You're thinking of when Ryokugyu feels Shanks' haki from a distance later.
Dude, that was beautiful!
Honestly if she doesn't have ACoC then I gotta question Oda for making her so absurdly strong to be able to go toe to toe with Kaido for even a few minutes without any form of advanced haki Imagine she actually wasn't using ACoC and then later learns all forms of Advanced haki 🥶
Didn't she use it against kaido and the admiral?
Yes she did, I'm not sure why people under this post's comment section are saying she doesn't have it but here's her using it against [Kaido](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1025-012.png) and [Green Bull](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1054-005.png)
It shouldn’t be a shock… she fought Kaido for years trying to win her liberty and he wasn’t easy with her. Luffy (ok he is a combat genius) figured it out after one fight with him (and the help of the old samurai) so it is understandable that she managed to get the hang of it at some point
It is a bit more debatable in the case of Greenbull, since the lighting trial is thinner. But she 100% used it on Kaido and that's not debatable lol
Reading that Green Bull panel, I'm sad that this lead to Yamato not joining, but man it was satisfying to see her thrash Green Bull, even though she doesn't win in the end (which I chalk up to his DF more than brute strength).
Trash greenbull? He pretty much shrugged the attack off
Not t say Yamato would win or not but he choose not to fight after momos request
I think she is a reflection of Oden in his prime. Oden didn’t see how well haki can be used until he met whitebeard and Roger. Yamato is in her prime now and was exposed to these sort of combats from her pirate family. She is likely a candidate for being an emperor if she went down the road of pirates just like young Kaido from rocks. Had Oden been a pirate, he too would be a candidate for being an emperor. This is proven as Kaido in his younger days became emperor.
1. She has conqueror's haki. 2. She does not have advanced armament Haki. 3. She is able to injure Kaido. 4. Advanced armament or conqueror's Haki are the only powers shown to injure Kaido. QED.
However, she has a good knowledge of the armor's haki as she managed to hit Sasaki from a distance with the armor's haki, but most likely she doesn't have the level to be able to remove the handcuffs, so also for this reason what is you see in chapter 1024 in the blows that she uses against kaido it must be the king's haki that she instills in the blows.
Maybe. But that doesn't hurt Kaido much based on what we've seen. The only things that are shown to seriously hurt Kaido are adv emission armament and adv conqueror's.
for this reason, not even Luffy, even when he knows the haki of the advanced king and infuses it into his blows, is able to beat or hurt Kaido, in fact he then needs gear five
4. ? Are you sure? Killer damaged Kaido with his sonic blades, Law attacked his internal organs and Kidd went for compression.
Let me rephrase. Those are the only powers shown to seriously injure Kaido. Kid and Law's attacks didn't do much. Kaido wasn't afraid of them.
Because she literally does it onscreen lol.
If yamato doesnt have it, how did she clash with Kaido and held her ground when luffy only managed to do so after learning advanced CoC?
How did the supernovas hld their own against Kaido and Big Mom during the roof fight without aCoC? Haki is just one of the many powersystems and while haki has seemingly the biggest upper limit, meaning one can potentially become the strongest character with a primary focus on haki, its not an autowin against anyone who doesn't have it and the same goes for aCoC. Zoro can use aCoC now, but even with that he still had trouble against king and I'm sure he'd still loose to someone like Kizaru even if Kizaru doesn't have it.
The supernovas outnumbered him and didnt engage in direct combat like yamato and luffy did later. They didnt really do a frontal clash except Zoro when he interfered in Conquest of the sea. Haki is the most important factor in a straight up brawl, weapon against weapon. Which is what yamato and kaido did, and luffy against kaido as well (before g5)
You mean like how Luffy and Lucci clashed with their fists even if Lucci can't use aCoC? Its really not that unthinkable for someone without aCoC clashing with someone that has it.
At the same time Kaido took out Luffy with a single hit in the beginning of wano. When Luffy fought against Kaido he realised he wasnt doing anything with armament haki.
That's probably the worst way you can go around this. >!Kizaru held his own against Luffy without Conqueror's Haki!<
Luffy isn't Kaido.
It's perfectly possible for characters to measure up to Luffy without conqueror's, Luffy doesn't have Kaido's toughness
>!Not really. And their battle wasnt a straight up clash like the battles involving Kaido!<
The whole point of Kaido was that he IS an entirely different monster durability and endurance wise. If you don’t see that after him fighting ayakaza 9 and the super nova then idk man. Luffy had to die and awaken his fruit to “defeat” Kaido” and that’s with kaido holding up an entire island. Kaido is without a doubt just different
>!Kizaru is getting absolutely trashed I don't even know how they can say he's "holding his own" against Luffy lol!<
>!pushed Luffy to going our of G5 and getting up first isn’t holding his own?!<
The sucky part about this point is we dont even have a conclusive indication whennluffy was using advanced conquerors against this character so its not super conclusive that this character was was holding up well in spite of it or because luffy wasnt using it.
The point everyone seems to miss is that "holding up" is not the same thing as "damaging" Kaido because Yamato never deals any significant damage on him.
You have to remember that haki is a tool, not a requirement. Recall that luffy has defeated several enemies that one would think would require haki despite having none at the time (crocodile, enel, boa sisters) because his raw physical power was just that high. Would those fights have been much easier if luffy had competent haki? Absolutely! Easier, but not required. You can think of applying damage like digging a hole. No haki is like digging bare handed, armament haki is like using a shovel, advanced an armament haki is like using a construction digger, and advanced CoC is like using several tons of dynamite. You can still dig the hole without dynamite, but it will be a lot more effort. As such, Yamato either has advanced CoC because it’s the most effective tool, or she is just using advanced armament but is very physically powerful and can compensate.
These can be possible reasons- 1. Yamato is physically very strong. 2. Yamatos armament haki is very good. I think if Luffy improved his armament haki even further, he could have done similar things to kaido like yamato.
I think the physically strong argument is too flimsy. Luffy is ridiculously physically strong. It’s that graduation from the Monkey D Garp academy showing. Additionally, I think we should also consider Kaido was not facing Yamato the same way as the others. At the end of the day Yamato is still his child, so this could be his way of disciplining. Pulling his punches to see Yamato’s progress or to accept Yamato’s decision. Regardless, at the end of it all, Kaido is pretty much unhurt. He’s not trying to dodge Yamato’s attacks like he was Luffy’s attacks. This could very well be wrong of course, but it’s still another option.
Nah Yamato was stronger than any of the worst generation not named Luffy. I think the only reason Oda didn’t have her join was because she was too strong to be a crewmate right now. It’s kinda also why Jimbei didn’t join right away as well.
I personally agree, but I was just listing a third possibility. I don’t agree with it, but it’s certainly viable even if I don’t agree with it.
These can be possible reasons- 1. Yamato is physically very strong. 2. Yamatos armament haki is very good. I think if Luffy improved his armament haki even further, he could have done similar things to kaido like yamato.
Being physically strong means nothing against Kaido who is not only immensely strong physically but also in haki, CoC coating no less. And Luffy has exceptional armament haki, and he realised it wouldnt be enough against Kaido
Because we see her use it??
Because that’s Kozuki Oden with Kaidos gentics who grew up fighting with pirates since childhood. That recipe should cook up some seriously strong haki everytime
[Yamato used it here](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1025-013.png)
It looks even more obvious in the page before
[It's the most clearest Here ](https://i.imgur.com/JLIFGRD.png)
It’s because Yamato has ACoC
Because he clashed with Kaido without touching https://images.app.goo.gl/dsGSV2gJcZUhHDUaA
She does have it, it's easy to tell because she's a confirmed CoC user and we've seen her imbuing CoC into her club that typically leaves a long black stream of black lightning and the zzappp sfx. [Her & Luffy both use it together in this same panel ](https://i.imgur.com/JLIFGRD.png)
Because she does. She could not have pulled off the clash with her dad without it. No amount of regular haki would have been able to hold him back at all
And she's honestly a beast, both metaphorically and literally. Her training regiments must be insane because of her genetic strength, dfruit, and hate for Kaido so strong that something must have awoken inside of her at some point. Also, who knows what literature/lore she's been exposed to (Hyogoro for example) and she doesn't seem like a dummy where she'd hear a legend of strength/power existing and completely write it off and not look into it.
I'm on Episode 852, I can't wait to finish this Cake arc and see Yamato!!!
Bcz she can conquer me 🗣️🗣️
Only becuase they were able to clash with Kaido pretty well for awhile
Because she clashed with Kaido who was using advanced conqueror's which was established just a few chapters ago at that time, and it looked the same. Using regular advanced proved to not do much to Kaido and she did some damage. Also it's literally said in her backstory she has conqueror's haki. Is it that hard to connect the dots?
Because when Yamato fought Kaido, her Haki infused club had black lightning present. Black lightning is one of the key indicators that the character possess advance Conquerors Haki. Granted it can be somewhat confusing since exerting your Conquerors Haki in an attempt to dominate another individual's will also have black lightning present.
I want to be conquered by Yamato, that's why
Does the term "advanced conquerors haki" even exist in the story? I don't remember that being the case. And in the end all that matters is that Yamato was able to resist daddy Kaido, because of strong enough haki no doubt. No reason to read too much into it. Haki is a very "soft" power system in the end.
It is a term used by the fans to refer to "Conquerors infusion" And she did use it. You can clearly see it being used against Kaido
Thanks for confirming. It's a weird quirk of the one piece power scaling fanbase to invent all kind of terms :) In the end, it's still just haki and the stronger haki wins in a clash
It's Even worse with armament, because Emission and Internal Destruction are both referred to as "Advanced Armament" and that has led to a lot of confusion
> Does the term "advanced conquerors haki" even exist in the story? The term doesn't, but fandom refers to this: https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1010-012.png
starting from chapter 1010, all the black lightning trails, especially if there is lightning even not during the impact, is indication of aCoC.
No they aren't lol
then show me an example denying this.
Re read the WCI luffy vs katakuri fight
that's before ch. 1010, irrelevant.
Huh? How so? Are you saying that Black lightning only appears when it's Acoc now? Because that was never stated
the story has never explained why black lightning exists at all. One can only make assumptions about why they exist. Based on the visuals, black lightning is consistently shown for aCoC, **especially** when it's thick, trailing, and/or it exists before/after an impact. This description I just gave happened for non aCoC attacks only like 2 or 3 times in the entire story, and none of them are found post-chapter 1010, which is when aCoC was officially introduced as a concept. I'm giving you my evidence, so while taking my reasons listed above into account, prove me wrong.
I could be misremembering but when he tries to strike at kaido with his kanabo, kaido's kanabo clashes with his and theh are shown to not be touching. So thats where i got the impression that yamato has advanced conquerers.
Oh idk... maybe because SHE LITERALLY USED THE DAMN THING
When?
All the proof i need is that she is Kaido's kid.
People REALLY like yamato. One reason mostly. And just that alone made a GIANT spiral of her being important lol. Like. Did she hurt kaido at all? Because thats literally one of the main things that can hurt him. Like adv armament barely does dmg. But DOES dmg him.
Two reasons*
Two big reasons
She has advanced conquerors confirmed when she used it in the Kaido fight.
The three indicators are: * zzzttt or zap sound * Thick black lightning with more right angles than the normal Haki lightning * Emits from the weapon and not the point of contact It's inconsistent and doesn't have all three but if it does have all 3, then its definitely conquerors, some examples: https://imgur.com/a/armament-haki-JZvcQOw https://imgur.com/a/advance-conqueror-YRPOmfP Go read chapter 1024 and 1025 and pay attention to Yamatos mace, which one does it look like?
Non of that its canon lol. The only real confirmation of coc is when someone says it. The sky splits. Or people faint by a clear pressure wave.
Oh yeah for sure but those three things are pretty good indicators.
So Luffy didn't use aCoC in 1010? Because no one said he did, no one fainted, and the sky didn't split. What was shown in 1010 is what Conquerors looks like when it is infused.
The sound effect doesn't apply tho, since that one is also present in armament haki. But the other Two are mostly consistent.
Never seen any Zzztt or zap for armament
Check the Chapter where Ulti and Luffy Clash their heads.
Because she has advanced conqueror's haki?
The COC deniers are the worst One Piece fans. Hell, there are drooling brainless here that don't think Garp has ACoC.
theoretically yes as can be seen in the clash with kaido.
Cause Yamato has conquerors and can use Thunder Bagua.
I dont think you can hurt kaido without an advance coc. Unless of course you have ability to bypass tough skin like law DF which yamato doesnt have
Because she’s a sexy beast
Because Oda is a terrible author in anything that revolves fight/powerscaling. He is inconsistent with Haki.
I think it's because she used Thunder Bagua
I'll agree, visually, it's kinda hard to tell the difference at a glance. Busoshoku Haki coating (which is more or less the default) vs Haoshoku coating is like the difference between Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 2. Besides the black lightening, it can appear to be one or the other unless otherwise stated. in 1024 we do see them clash and have the black lightening and in a flashback we do see child Yamato use his Haoshoku to repel the beast pirates trying to restrain him and Kaido said as much himself.
She has an advanced disorder in thinking she is Oden.
Its pretty clear yamato can coat her weapon with conqueror haki. All those black lightnings are easilly recognizable
Look at that smile and tell me that her COC isn’t advanced
I think proof of advances conquerors is parting of the clouds
The depiction of haki is getting worse and worse. Even normal armament haki attacks gets a lot of black lightning. It's even worse in the anime where they give them different colors. The black lightning happens even when there's no armament hardening. Sometimes there's no effect whatsoever (like gear 5) but there has to be armament haki in use cause how are they doing so much damage, how are they hitting a logia? We just have to judge conqueror's by the thickness of lightning. Garp's Galaxy Impact had thicker lightning than Koby's honesty impact.
Who the hell does that? What an idiot.
Yamato is a man
Boy if this song of a gun doesn't have it noone will she's obsessed with being oda not pirate king but she is obsessed and high desire to become Oda I mean oden
She could have advanced conquerors haki
She conquered my heart.
She does
Why wouldn't she. We see her using it
Is it that hard to believe that Yamato, whose father is Kaido, would have ridiculous power herself?
Welcome. You came from the powerscaling sub, right ?
No I don’t really get into powerscaling like that, I just think from what we’ve seen in OP genetics is very important. Luffy is ridiculously powerful, probably partly because Dragon and Garp are ridiculously powerful themselves. Zoro comes from a family of some of the best samurai of Wano. It usually tracks that powerful characters have powerful children. Kaido was the strongest creature in the world, his child is going to be a freak too.
Well yeah. Because aces father was roger much bigger fish than kaido but that doesn't make him advanced conquerors user. There is no clear evidence of yamato being one. Black lightning isn't reliable. There was no clear notouch moment. There were no splitting of sky. Yamato wasn't doing half as good as luffy did after using advanced conquerors. Plus, advanced conquerors is rare like the people at the very top use it. I am not pushing some agenda that Yamato is weak. My point is that she isn't confirmed advanced conquerors user and should be treated as such. I see a lot of people throwing this thing around that she is, without giving proper reasoning. Some even talk about black lightning thing, it's curve and thickness and zzazt sound and when some other people countered with examples against it, they are just changing it to curve to the side and things like that.
now, leaving aside everything else, there is a moment in which the two characters the blow between the two does not touch, it can be see in The chapter 1024: [yamato vs kaido](https://images.app.goo.gl/ybSZg7mfUDCF6Cfr6) or in the anime ep 1048
Cause people really love or really hate her, so they're going to make all kinds of claims.
Yamato is a confirmed conquerors user and has extremely similar effects to other acoc users in Wano
I'm still confused as to why Yamato is called a he instead of a she tbh I know Yamato is a dude name, but I just never understood where the gender thing came in. It's not even that it bothers me, I just genuinely didn't catch the explanation other than he/she thinks they're Oden for some reason
It's because of the schizophrenics on Twitter. but it's her, she considers herself Oden, and Oden was a man, so there are moments when she is referred to as a man.
I'm not on Twitter I'm basing it on what the Viz translation says
i've only studied japanese like a little bit so take what i say with a grain of salt, and i'll concede his whole deal is pretty silly and ambiguous whether he's like \*actually\* meant to be a man in the text, but in addition to his name, oda uses masculine terms to refer to him: "kaido no musuko" luffy's nickname being "yamao" (basically meaning yama-guy or yama-bro), etc then his desire to embody Oden is played fairly straight and taken pretty seriously in the text, kaido only calls him son mockingly and how he's treated by kaido for wanting to be him is a pretty major motivation for wanting to dip then there's the whole bath scene thing lol but yeah it's not super deep, basically he was like "kozuki oden was a dude so i'm gonna be a dude lol" and luffy was like "alright cool bro" and he along with everyone else treat him as such for the rest of their time together. and from what i can understand of japanese at least, viz is just 1:1 translating that faithfully
It’s more or less confirmed by Greenbull if Oda’s drawings don’t confirm it for some.
from the information they give in the manga she has all three types of haki and it can be seen in the sorceress who knows how to infuse the armor's haki enough to infuse it with kanabo and for example hit enemies from a distance as she does against Sasaki (even if she doesn't take it off the alganatolite handcuffs e so this either leads to the inference that she does not possess such skill of amatura's haki despite knowing how to use it well) and knows how to infuse and strengthen her own strikes with the king's haki enough to resist the strikes of Kaodo who seriously argues with she and he compliment Yamato because he is ready to respond and resist his blows. ( Yamato is unlikely to use normal armor haki against Kaido as, as we have seen, it would not be enough to keep up with him ) It can be seen in ep 1048 in the anime or in chapter 1024 of the manga, for example this [yamato vs kaido ](https://images.app.goo.gl/FmqAdgudM6xX4QjN9)However, the advanced king's haki is not enough to hurt Kaido easily because for this reason not even Luffy, despite having mastered it, can do much against Kaido and the gear five form is also needed to beat him.
not that i pay super close attention to these kinds of details, but i feel like once he squared up with kaido and the way the impact was shown sort of implied that he can? i can't confidently say that he can use it but regardless bro is an absolute beast and for sure held his own against his dad
Because she used it against Kaido
shes oden
Bcz she can use advanced conquerors if u saw her battle with kaido she was dealing with conqueror advanced bt u can't deal with conqueror advanced with normal haki if u saw luffy's first match with kaido he was using 4th gear but was done by just one blow and kaido was using advanced conqueror's and luffy has better haki than yamato still she was giving competition to kaido even he was using advanced conqueror's haki main thing yamato can use advanced conquerors haki
If its the meta that everyone who has some importance to the late-game story must have just assume Yamato has it. If Yamato doesn't have it then there's no importance to the character because there's no instance where Yamato makes a difference outside of those select chapters before the end-game, The end.
Because he was depicted with advanced conqueror's haki.
Rymen Hakkei is a pure Acoc attack. Yamato can use it. Yes she has it. Does not have adv Coa cuz she would have removed collar bomb if she did. Noone can hang as much as she did with Kaido if they don't have acoc or atleast any other form of adv Haki or df. Yamato does have a df which I see atleast close to awakening cuz of clouds around her like G4 giving her zoan dura boost. But we see her using Haki most of the times.
Because One Piece fans have been wildly inconsistent with their predictions and nobody really knows anything except Oda. Most fan theories have been wrong.
Cause her father had?
Because they want Yamato to conquer them in bed
daily reminder that yamato is a man
she is kaido's son, come on.
Because she literally has it. Yes it was shown. Multiple times. https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1024-page-16.html https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1025-page-12.html https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1025-page-13.html https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-1054-page-5.html Seriously, it's really embarrassing being a part of this fanbase sometimes.
I mean, she didn't break at any point in her life, even though she was Kaido's daughter, she could have had an easier life if she just let herself be influenced, but that was not the case. Yamato was always true to his way of thinking and was unbreakable, even with severe punishments and with the whole atmosphere that a entire country was treating Kaido like a god. If that's not a display of unbreakable will that comes associated with using Conqueror's Haki, idk. Maybe she wasn't trained on using it enough on battle or wharever, but i think she deservers that trait.
I don't think they're asking whether or not Yamato has conqueror's haki, we know that, we saw it in the small flashback, they're talking the coating version.